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Wedgehead defends Sinbad (1978) as a misunderstood System 1 gem ranked unfairly low on Pinside.
Sinbad sold 12,000 units, making it the highest-selling solid-state Gottlieb game ever made.
high confidence · Alan, establishing baseline facts about the game early in discussion
Sinbad is currently ranked #226 on the Pinside 100 Solid State Machines list.
high confidence · Alan, citing specific Pinside ranking
The game was released in 1978 and designed by Ed Krynski with art by Gordon Morison.
high confidence · Alan, providing designer/artist credits
Sinbad features four flippers arranged in a scissor/inline configuration with no slingshots or inlanes.
high confidence · Alan and Rachel describing mechanical layout
The game has four banks of drop targets that must be completed in order to receive credit multipliers.
high confidence · Rachel explaining drop-target mechanics and rule structure
Top competitive pinball players from the Starfighters tournament gravitated toward playing Sinbad, Bond 60th, Joker Poker, and Black Pyramid after the event.
high confidence · Rachel describing observation at Electric Bat following recent tournament
Gottlieb System 1 games were released during a golden era of the company and represent some of its best work.
medium confidence · Alan and Kale asserting Gottlieb's System 1 as their strongest period, contrasting with later eras
Players who dislike Sinbad tend to lack flipper control or are frustrated by short game times, not because the game itself is poorly designed.
medium confidence · Kale and Rachel interpreting negative Pinside reviews as player skill issues
“I think there's a lot of hate for this game because there's a lot of angry middle-aged men that just do not want to accept that they lost the ball between flippers.”
Rachel @ ~mid-episode — Directly addresses why negative reviews may stem from player frustration with flipper difficulty rather than actual game design flaws
“This is like one of the hardest games there is. These are the same people that put like an inch and a half rubber across the outlane.”
Rachel @ ~mid-episode — Characterizes critics as casual players seeking to reduce difficulty; establishes Sinbad as legitimately challenging
“I love these games because I love playing these with friends... we can rip through a couple of them, you know, in a row. Like if we're all playing Godzilla, like, you know, I might as well be clocked out, you know, like we're done for the day.”
Alan @ ~mid-episode — Contrasts the social appeal and pace of System 1 games against modern long-form machines, establishing distinct use cases
“The good guys all gravitate towards these ass-kicker games... any game that hands you your ass is the game you need to be playing. Because whatever is deficient in your play, that game's exploiting it.”
Kale @ ~late-episode — Explains why competitive players seek challenging machines like Sinbad for skill development
“Gottlieb would never ever ever do a code revision... they would put it out on test, find these exploits, but never patch them, unlike Williams or Data East.”
[name withheld pending review] @ ~end-episode — Provides historical context for why Gottlieb System 1 games have particular design characteristics; explains manufacturing and support differences vs. competitors
“This is the kind of game that's the opposite of that. It's the opposite of a 45-minute slog where you never lose a ball.”
Rachel @ ~mid-episode — Positions Sinbad as deliberately designed against modern player expectations, validating the design intent
“Everything on the Gottlieb System 1s is like the hardware is all hardware is tanks.”
community_signal: Rachel and Kale directly challenge Pinside reviewers' credibility and gaming skill level, suggesting negative ratings stem from player incompetence rather than legitimate design criticism. Hosts position themselves as arbiters of true understanding vs. casual players.
high · Rachel: 'I think there's a lot of hate for this game because there's a lot of angry middle-aged men that just do not want to accept that they lost the ball between flippers.' Kale later dismisses low-ranked reviewers as either 'very good player or very bad player' with no middle ground.
gameplay_signal: Episode establishes that Sinbad's design is deliberately punishing and skill-rewarding. Defenders argue short game times and high ball loss are intentional features, not flaws, reflecting Gottlieb's design philosophy that contrasts with modern casual-friendly games.
high · Rachel: 'This is the kind of game that's the opposite of a 45-minute slog... It's a different thing.' Alan and Kale discuss how top-ranked competitive players specifically seek 'ass-kicker' games to improve skill.
competitive_signal: Starfighters tournament participants (including international players) migrated to System 1 games at Electric Bat's after-party, suggesting competitive meta values challenging, short-form games for casual play between competitive rounds.
high · Rachel: 'Recently the Starfighters pinball tournament was in town... the after party would be at the Electric Bat. All the top players were playing Sinbad... And Bond 60th... And like Joker Poker.'
product_strategy: Both Electric Bat and Wedgehead intentionally curate mixed-era lineups to serve different player demographics and play styles—tournament machines vs. casual social play—rather than chasing modern titles exclusively.
medium · Alan: 'I love these games because I love playing these with friends... we can rip through a couple of them... Like if we're all playing Godzilla, like, you know, I might as well be clocked out.' He contrasts long modern games against short, social System 1 play.
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Rachel @ ~mid-episode — Addresses reliability concerns by highlighting hardware durability and minimal maintenance needs
“I think the System 1 is their shining era. Yeah, that's what I would say... not everybody sees it that way.”
Kale @ ~end-episode — Frames System 1 as Gottlieb's peak creative period while acknowledging broader industry disagreement
sentiment_shift: Alan and guests frame Gottlieb System 1 as unfairly underrated era deserving reconsideration. Positions Sinbad's Pinside ranking (#226) as 'criminally low' and advocates for collector/operator reassessment.
high · Alan: 'It currently ranks number 226 on the Pinside Top 100 Solid State Machines of All Time list, which is criminally low. Yeah, should be at least 20 higher.'
design_philosophy: Historical contrast emerges: Gottlieb rapid-released (6-8 weeks), never patched code, accepted exploits; Williams took longer (1-1.5 years), regularly updated ROM code. Explains why System 1 games are unpolished but mechanically sound.
high · Kale paraphrasing Jon Norris: 'Other companies had six months, Williams had a year, year and a half to make a game... they were making games every six to eight weeks... unless the game was going to set itself on fire they never ever did a code revision.'
product_concern: System 1 plastic spinners are weak and unresponsive. Operators have implemented workarounds (sand/solder/glue ballasting). Some have retrofitted metal spinners from other machines. Recognized as minor design flaw of era.
high · Rachel: 'The one thing I don't love about System 1s are those horrible plastic spinners.' Discussion of operator hacks to add weight; mention of metal spinner retrofit to Genie.
operational_signal: Gottlieb System 1 hardware is remarkably durable ('tanks'). Flippers rarely require rebuild; main maintenance is cleaning, waxing, and rubber replacement. Edge connectors noted as notable pain point.
high · Rachel: 'Everything on the Gottlieb System 1s is like... hardware is all hardware is tanks.' Discussion of requiring vice to remove roll pins; Alex noting edge connectors are 'rough.'
historical_signal: Episode challenges conventional narrative that Gottlieb's demise was justified. Rio Platense review dismissed as 'junior college psychology' gatekeeping; hosts argue Gottlieb made diverse catalog with gems in every era, not just System 1.
medium · Kale defending Gottlieb's broader output: 'We keep realizing though that every era of Gottlieb has some gems in it... They made a lot of worse games than [Sinbad]... They made way worse games than this.'
venue_signal: Electric Bat and Wedgehead operate as intentional mixed-era venues serving tournament players, casual groups, and collectors. System 1 games provide faster turnover and social appeal vs. modern 20+ minute games.
high · Alan emphasizes variety: 'I love playing these with friends... there's just great games from all eras, which is kind of what I want to always highlight with our bar.' Rachel notes top players specifically play System 1s during social sessions.
industry_signal: Hosts directly critique Pinside's Top 100 methodology, suggesting reviewers lack depth, never improve their understanding, and allow personal grudges to distort collective judgment. Implies platform quality issues.
medium · Alex: 'Pinside is a uh interesting swamp land of interesting arcane information... the disappointing part is nobody ever learns, nobody ever gets better on there... they'll just carry this through.'
collector_signal: System 1 games are attractive to home collectors due to low cost, proven durability, repurposable components (aftermarket board replacements like Neewamp/Pascal), and lack of code/update concerns.
medium · Discussion of all-in-one board replacement options allowing skill shots and short ball saves; Alex noting buyers don't have to worry about reliability of original boards.