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The Pinball Show Ep 169 BONUS: The Next Pedretti Game: Looking Deeper Into The Poll Results

Pinball Show Patreon Feed·podcast_episode·20m 56s·held·Jan 28, 2025
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TL;DR

Pedretti Gaming poll reveals Indiana Jones as top remake choice; hosts speculate on next title and licensing constraints.

Summary

The The The Pinball Show hosts analyze a Nap Arcade poll (conducted with Pedretti Gaming approval) about which classic Williams/Bally games players want to see remade. Indiana Jones leads with 22%, followed by Tales of the Arabian Nights (17%) and Theater of Magic (15%). Hosts speculate that Pedretti likely has two games already in prototype stage and conducted the poll to gauge community preference, possibly between Tales and Theater. They discuss licensing complexity, mechanical feasibility, and why certain games (Twilight Zone, Star Trek: The Next Generation) were notably excluded.

Key Claims

  • Pedretti Gaming has two games in prototype stage

    medium confidence · Hosts reference earlier episode stating 'supposedly two games are on the prototype stage,' suggesting licensed games already in development

  • Indiana Jones (Williams 1993) received 22% of poll votes (346 votes)

    high confidence · Directly stated in poll results discussion; 342 votes = 22%

  • Tales of the Arabian Nights and Theater of Magic are the two Pedretti games in prototype

    medium confidence · Host speculation based on 2025 'magic' teaser post and poll rankings; described as educated guess

  • Twilight Zone and Star Trek: The Next Generation were intentionally excluded from the poll

    medium confidence · Host analysis: 'I think that it would make sense not to [include them]' and speculation about licensing/CTC involvement with Twilight Zone

  • Funhaus alphanumeric sales represent the maximum output for that platform tier

    medium confidence · Host opinion: 'the idea of doing a System 11 would be more comfortable to them' but 'what you're seeing on the numbers of Funhaus, that is the max'

  • Pedretti will announce next remake around October; Pinball Brothers announcement expected spring/summer

    low confidence · Host prediction about timing: 'I could see this announcement of the next remake being around October'

  • Bride of Pinbot kit by Dutch failed to generate interest

    medium confidence · Host states: 'Dutch did that, and they proved that nobody wanted it' and 'Bride of Pinbot doesn't even sell for money'

  • Tales of the Arabian Nights currently leading Theater of Magic in poll rankings

    high confidence · Host: 'I was surprised so far... that Tales was ahead of Theater' with 2% margin noted

Notable Quotes

  • “I think if I were them, I would, despite how popular a number of them would be, I would stay clear of anything that's going to require more licensing than just getting the Williams license.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ N/A — Core speculation about Pedretti's design philosophy and why they may avoid heavily-licensed games like Indiana Jones

  • “I think that Twilight Zone would be huge, and I think there's a reason they didn't put it on this list is what I'm saying.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ N/A — Key insight suggesting deliberate exclusion of Twilight Zone, possibly due to CTC involvement or licensing complexity

  • “It's the most jam-packed pinball of the 90s. It's like the licensed, nostalgic, classic edition of Medieval Madness.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ N/A — Characterizes Twilight Zone as iconic equivalent to Medieval Madness, explaining high demand for potential remake

  • “I think they will do Tales next. And I don't think that we're going to see it announced. I could see this announcement of the next remake being around October.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ N/A — Specific prediction about which Papadiuk game Pedretti will pursue and announcement timeline

  • “Did Jason have a list and Pedretti maybe add some stuff or something, but they didn't say, like, take off the stuff that we can't do?”

    [name withheld pending review] @ N/A — Questions the origin and curation of the poll options, suggesting possible deliberate inclusion/exclusion strategy

  • “You guys do this poll, but we have already started on two. It's like that poll with the theme thing, I thought, the surveys that Stern sends out where they're kind of fishing for ideas.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ N/A — Frames the poll as reconnaissance for future strategy rather than genuine audience choice determination

  • “No Good Gofers is too mechanically annoying to build, I think.”

    [name withheld pending review] — Explains why certain classics are excluded from remake consideration based on practical manufacturing constraints

Entities

Pedretti GamingcompanyNap ArcadepersonJason KnapppersonIndiana Jones: The Pinball AdventuregameTales of the Arabian NightsgameTheatre of MagicgameBig Bang Bar

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Pedretti Gaming conducts official poll via Nap Arcade gauging community appetite for classic game remakes; 1,576+ votes cast across 15 options

    high · Poll conducted with Pedretti's formal approval; structured voting mechanism; significant participation

  • ?

    product_strategy: Poll appears designed to gauge relative popularity between two games already in prototype stage rather than genuinely determining next title

    medium · Hosts speculate: 'they want to hit with what they can now... they have Tales of Arabian Nights and they have Theater of Magic, and they're seeing which one ranks higher'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Community speculation that Tales of the Arabian Nights and Theater of Magic are Pedretti's two games in prototype; poll designed to determine priority order

    medium · Host analysis of 2025 'magic' teaser post combined with poll results

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Heavy-licensed games (Indiana Jones, Addams Family) create licensing risk; unclear if Pedretti will pursue despite popularity

    medium · Host opinion: Pedretti unlikely to pursue heavy licenses given history with Funhaus; speculation about additional licensing costs for LCD/animation work

  • ?

    industry_signal: Twilight Zone and Star Trek: The Next Generation noticeably excluded from poll; possible strategic reasons (licensing, CTC involvement, mechanical complexity)

    medium · Host analysis noting both are top-tier remake candidates but absent; Twilight Zone rumor connected to CTC

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised. Thanks again for the ongoing support as a Pinball Show Club member. Enjoy this exclusive TPS content, and make sure to visit the Pinball Show Club Discord to chat about the bonus material. Dennis, it's time to give these people something exclusive. Yes. Zip your pants.
0:24
Our OnlyFans. Man, I bet we would do worse on OnlyFans than we do here. the official membership. I suppose. It's pretty light news week. You're like, speak for yourself. I got a huge pee-pee. No, it's not. What I like about what we're going to cover this week is that it's not just new pinball stuff. Well, I guess in a sense it is because we're talking about what people want to see remade. But it's the tried and trues. The old 90s, late 80s games that everybody loved so much. When a company doesn't know what to do or lacks originality, you just go back to the past. Get yourself a poll, dog.
1:04
So Nap Arcade did this poll. Again, I'm probably reading too far into this listener, but it's entertaining. And you never know. I might be on to something. So when I try to read through the lines on this kind of stuff, it's like, well, Nap – couldn't Nap have just done – he could have just done a poll. but he wanted to get agreeable from Pedretti to do the poll. Okay, so there's some officialness to this poll. And when I said that, it was because there were select choices that you could choose of what you would want to see remade from Pedretti. I don't think it's too far of a stretch to say that the ones that they included were for a reason, right?
1:48
So I haven't read the article. It's not really an article. It just says, Pedretti, you know, I've been wanting to work with Pedretti for a while to do a poll to show them what people want. And basically they agreed to, you know, here's the options. Click as many as you want that you would like to see remade from Pedretti Gaming. So I guess the part I'm curious about is, so is this list from Pedretti, or was the list from Jason Knapp, or was the list what Jason Knapp created and then Pedretti threw games off or put games on that they were interested in? Yes, that's an interesting question. Because there are things on here that don't make a lot of sense to me. That's another reason I found it interesting. It says, we'll go through these really quick to review. There were 15 options, most of them being Bally Williams and the majority of them being 90s DMD games. The number one rated or highest polled game that people would like to see made out of those 15 options was the 1993 Williams game, Indiana Jones, the pinball adventure with 22 percent of the votes. There's a pretty healthy numbers count. I think to 22 percent was 346 votes. It's skewed a bit because you could vote multiple times, so I don't know what that really says ultimately. I like the fixed choice of you only get to one vote. It tells me more, I think, but 342 votes constitute 22%. That's pretty high. I'm not surprised by most people wanting it. I kind of am surprised. It's a wide-bodied game. It is, but, I mean, it's one of the more popular super pins. You think people would buy it? Yes, I do. I do, too. I really do. Coming in at second was 17% 1996 Williams, Tales of the Arabian Nights, followed by 15% Theater Magic. So that's the John Papaduke double there. And then 10% Capcom Big Bang Bar. So a non-Bally Williams. Yeah. I'm like, why are there – is Pedretti honestly looking at getting into something that isn't – well, maybe Planetary does control Capcom. I don't know. I was surprised to see a Capcom game in the list because it doesn't feel like that would be. That's been rumored, though. That title has been rumored. Yes, it has. So this one doesn't shock me as much as one we'll talk about later. It shocks me that 10% of people would vote for it, though. Do that many people want? It's speculation. Is that kind of the Cactus Canyon-like of thing where it's like, well, not a lot of people played it. I think that's part of it. And I also think that it's the remakes that got done back in the day are worth a whole lot of money. So there's some that might think, well, maybe if it's, you know, I can't afford to get one and this will let me afford to get one. And some of it could just be a little bit of I'd love to stick it to those people and finally get their games under $20,000. There can be a whole lot of kind of psychological stuff. All right. And then we go down and we got another John Papaduke game, 97, Bally Circus Voltaire. That's only 7%. 7%, 6% Whitewater. Then you get Adam's Family at 5%, 4% Creature from Black Lagoon, as well as Scared Stiff at 4%. I surprised people would really want Scared Stiff again I don see it it one of those easy players Maybe that the I mean it is kind of like It's a great game, but – Well, and you do have to pay more to get it than like Elvira and the Party Monsters, for example. So like if you're trying to complete the Elvira collection, like you picked up a premium House of Horrors and you've got Party Monsters, you might have been put off by the price that those are going for you, especially because it's just 90s rules. and it's actually one of the easiest games from the 90s.
@ N/A

  • “It's close. Don't get me wrong. It's a 2%. It's close.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ N/A — Emphasizes tight margin between Tales of the Arabian Nights and Theater of Magic, suggesting both are viable contenders

    • game
    Twilight Zonegame
    Star Trek: The Next Generationgame
    The Addams Familygame
    Creature from the Black Lagoongame
    Cirqus Voltairegame
    Funhousegame
    White Watergame
    No Good Gofersgame
    Pinball Brotherscompany
    [name withheld pending review]product
    John Papadiukperson
    [name withheld pending review]company
    Dutch Pinballcompany
    CTCcompany
    The Pinball Showcontent_creator
    Dennisperson
    Medieval Madnessgame
    Bride of Pinbotgame
  • ?

    design_philosophy: Pedretti appears to prefer original-theme remakes over licensed properties; history limited to Funhaus and System 11 alphanumeric WPC title

    medium · Host: 'until they break the mold on something licensed, I'm not convinced they're going to go into that' based on past work

  • $

    market_signal: Funhaus represents maximum sales potential for alphanumeric-era remakes; no compelling reason for Pedretti to pursue additional System 11 titles

    medium · Host analysis: Bride of Pinbot conversion failed; alphanumeric ceiling lower than DMD-era remakes

  • ?

    licensing_signal: CTC rumored to control Twilight Zone remake rights; explains absence from Pedretti poll and potential exclusion strategy

    low · Host speculation: 'there's been a lot of rumors that that is going to be done by ctc'

  • ?

    product_launch: Pedretti next remake announcement expected October; Tales of the Arabian Nights predicted as next title with 2026 timeline

    low · Host prediction: 'I could see this announcement of the next remake being around October' with lines 'on the line at the beginning of 2026'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Indiana Jones dominates poll despite licensing complexity (22%); significant gap to second-place Tales (17%); unexpected low ranking for Addams Family (5%)

    high · Poll results show Indiana Jones 22%, Tales 17%, Theater 15%; hosts surprised by Addams Family's 5% despite iconic status

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Pinball Brothers expected to announce new product spring/summer timeframe; suggests competitive pipeline activity

    low · Host: 'I think Pinball Brothers announcement is going to be like spring, summer'

  • ?

    historical_signal: John Papadiuk games (Tales, Theater, Circus Voltaire) drive poll performance via distinctive artwork and mechanical design legacy

    medium · Host notes: 'Any of the John Papadiuk stuff with the art will do' and discusses how artwork drives sales appeal

    • 5:42
    I don't know. I'm a little surprised too, but honestly, this number of votes isn't that impressive on it. Sure, sure. 3% Bally's radical. My favorite System 11 game. It's rare. Do you think anybody would be profitable remaking a System 11? I'm not convinced.
    6:01
    Whirlwind, I suppose. I just don't – they don't really go for that much money. Funhaus did okay. It's technically WPC. Yeah, Funhausing System 11. But it's still alphanumeric. Sure, but that's not our condition. So you would have to make Radical more LCD. I just don't know if it would do well. Williams Bonsai Run at 2%. Absolutely not. No, I don't know why anybody would want that. Safecracker? They're not going to remake a Safecracker. Yeah, it's super rare. It's super rare and gimmicky. That's the only thing going for it. And then another question. Data East. Tales from the Crypt. This one really surprised me because I'm like, well, I'm not sure about who controls the rights on Capcom. That's a Stern property. It's Stern stuff. Well, yeah, right. And it's, well, yeah. I mean, Data East became Sega, became Stern. So this is where I'm like, did Jason have a list and Pedretti maybe add some stuff or something, but they didn't say, like, take off the stuff that we can't do? Do you think they would? Do you think the Stern would license out Data East games to anybody else? I don't. I don't, and it's the only Data East game on the list, honestly, of all of the Data East games. Not the Star Wars, not Jurassic Park. This? It's a pretty coveted game. It's relatively popular, setting aside the annoying Crypt Keeper call-outs, which I assume the remake would allow you to tone down even more.
    7:30
    But it's not like – the sales were Jurassic Park and Star Wars. I just don't see it doing well as a remake. And then 1% was Williams Whirlwind and Earthshaker.
    7:42
    Whirlwind would be the, I guess, best System 11 to remake. So of all of those, I only think good sellers would be Indiana Jones, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Theater of Magic. I do think Big Bang Bar would sell. Addams Family.
    7:57
    Yeah. Surprised that it was down at 5%. Big Bang Bar I think you could sell enough of. Circus Voltaire. Yeah, it would do. Any of the Papa Duke stuff with the art will do. Whitewater, I think, would do okay. Yeah. Creature, I'm mixed on, unless they enhanced rules and stuff. Well, that might have to come into play for a lot of these. Yeah. But Creature, for a while, there was a period, I think it was before Congo became like the hot darling a few years ago, pre-pandemic. Creature kind of went through that where all of a sudden everyone wanted it. Expensive, yeah. It's a lovely game. I haven't played it. Oh, yeah, no. Of all the 90s Bally stuff, it's one of the ones I would most want is Creature. But I'm surprised because it's not really hot and heavy by a lot of people. But yeah, and then the other ones, I just don't get that. So that's questionable in and of itself, all of that stuff. Daddy, he's came. How in the hell did that happen? But what titles were not included? A lot. I mean, even if you just focus on 90s Bally Williams a lot. Yeah. Now, some of these don't make sense. We'll go from the bottom to top. These are mostly in the top 100 that were quote-unquote Bally Williams, right? You've got like Terminator 2 down in 91, Black Knight 2000.
    9:11
    Do you think either one of those? I don't think either one of those. They're not all that pricey. Yeah. Terminator 2 and less. They really got assets, and they could really – I'd just redo the whole game, though. But Champion Pub, that's a pricey little game, but not a lot of talk about it. It sucks. We're working our way up. Taxi, Pinbot, Roadshow, High Speed, none of these are popular enough for a reason. Those are all System 11s except Roadshow, which is also awful. Indianapolis 500, no. Sword of Fury, no. Go Good Gophers, no. No Good Gophers is too mechanically annoying to build, I think. Revenge from Mars, no. Judge Dredd, no. Elvira Party Monsters. Fish Tales, even, eh. We're working our way up to more popular. Congo, no. No, it doesn't make sense. And then we get into the ones that I'm like, hmm, those are interesting. And why weren't they included? like uh i'm guessing that 94 bally's world cup soccer 94 is a licensing thing uh could be also though and it's been a while since i looked at it because a lot of like they're pricey are they okay because they used to not be because it used to be a good game for 2500 it wasn't pretty like all the other papaduke games even though a lot of competitive style players felt it was the best rule set he had no those those have jumped up to like five grand now okay yeah they they pricey um getaway high speed two i I think Getaway is a great game I don know if it would sell enough of a remake I wouldn't think it would be. It would not be in my first breath of examples of remakes. Same with Bram Stoker's Dracula. Fun game, but it just doesn't command enough money. Dracula and Shadow are both B-tier games. Yeah. The Shadow kind of surprised me, though, because of the list that they provided in the poll, though. Shadow I could see selling better than a lot of them in fact Shadow would unlike ROMs which was a Osler game Shadow is that hey don't we remember when Eddie came back and was hired by Stern and everyone was like I sure hope he does something like the Shadow which he just hasn't done with Stern but there's a lot of nostalgia for just how unique the layout was. Shadow would sell better than Earthshaker I, oh Whirlwind that's tough but I think it might. No I think it would outsell Whirlwind. I think it would outsell Tales from the Crypt. I think it would outsell Safecracker, Banzai Run, Radical. Yes. Scared Stiff would be close. It would be close.
    11:31
    Creature? No, I don't think it is Creature. For the ones above that, I don't think so. But it's interesting that it was left out. Maybe it's a license. I can't even say licensing because half of the things in the poll were licensed. You see, that's the big rub for me because initially when I saw the list, I thought, Oh, well, maybe they shed all the licensing stuff, but Indiana Jones is in there. That's a heavy license. And it's very licensed, as is Adam's family. Heavy license. And going back to in the main episode, we talked a little bit. I mentioned Pinball Arcade when I was talking about Kickstarter.
    12:04
    It wasn't just T2 that they did Kickstarter on. They had to Kickstarter Adam's family, as I recall, and they still couldn't get the rights to do one. I think Christopher Lloyd. They had to change the face of Fester at the bottom of the play field because they could not secure him. And I don't remember. I thought they did Kickstart for Indiana Jones also, which granted that Indiana Jones, as they've always claimed, is not Harrison Ford. But it's still a Spielberg property, and they had to raise funding to cover the licensing. So seeing stuff like that in here made me wonder – it made me feel like the licensing isn't – I don't think that's the example. No. Because they have some of the hardest licenses, not all of them, but they have some of the hardest licenses in the pull. Which brings up our next head scratchers to why it wasn't in this. And that is William Star Trek The Next Generation.
    12:58
    And back in the day, while it had a ton of people from the show, my understanding was that is not a challenging license.
    13:06
    Maybe nowadays it is. I think that would be a questionable remake due to the complexity of the mechanics used within it. It's a high-bomb game. It is. But I would have thought they'd roll out all the super pins, but they didn't because Indiana Jones is in there.
    13:22
    So that was a head-scratcher. Why not include that? And my other wonder is maybe they didn't include these because they know that they can't have them. so why advertise for someone for the popularity for somebody else that's already set to make these is there a rumor that someone has star trek no but the top of this list that wasn't listed and i'm wondering why it was 93's bally twilight zone right and that's where again historically pinball arcade this was a really tough license for them because of sterling's likeness however there's been a lot of rumors that that is going to be done by ctc so yeah so that one made sense not to include but and it is also very mechanically complex if i was pedretti i would not want to touch twilight zone with a 10 foot pole it is very telling though some of these are like that and star trek next gen i think those both would be very good sellers i don't i think so too I think they're top five sellers out of that list.
    14:30
    Do you think Twilight Zone is more sought after as a remake than Indiana Jones? Yes, I do. I think I might as well. Not because of the license, but it's the most jam-packed pinball of the 90s. It's like the licensed, nostalgic, classic edition of Medieval Madness. It's like sister or brother to Medieval Madness in that, but it's licensed.
    15:01
    They're iconic. Those two are the iconic. If you don't know a lot about pinball, people say Twilight Zone and they say Medieval Madness in a lot of ways. I think Twilight Zone would be huge, and I think there's a reason they didn't put it on this list is what I'm saying. yeah I think that it would make sense not to but you do think next gen sells I do again not really because of the license other than there is a group that would be like oh yeah Star Trek is Star Trek but just again it had a lot of interesting mechanics the cannons a lot of people really like that I know some people feel that it was the superior layout to Stern Star Trek I don think that I don agree with it I really like the layout But I think a lot of people just and again up until really Dungeons Dragons it the most jam If you like call-outs, it's the most jam-packed cast that there is. You know, I really like the rules of that game. Like, I miss Next Gen. That was a great game. I really like the rules to that game with the, what are the Dianium Crystals? It's an A-tier title from the 90s So why was that listed?
    16:16
    Only time will tell What do you think Pedretti's going to make? That's a good question It sounded like when we were, again, back on the back in the regular episode to remind people because they might have been a little bit before they listened to this one or since they've listened to that one supposedly two games are on the prototype stage I'm assuming those two games are two licensed games already in the prototype stage. So that means like this. Why did they ask the poll? I was very confused by that. And that could be, again, if they gave or pulled things from Jason's list or provided the list or whatever, maybe some of the stuff that they didn't include is stuff that they already know they're doing. Yeah, that's what I was like. Well, like maybe they're doing getaway already. We haven't decided yet. So you guys do this poll, but we have already started on two. It's like that poll with the theme thing, I thought, the surveys that Stern sends out where they're kind of fishing for ideas.
    17:10
    So there's a little bit of future planning, I think, which is smart. And they're like, hey, let's just see what kind of performance Nap Arcade gets on this. And we'll use that as a loose guide to maybe making some decisions in the future. I think that whenever they did that social media post at the beginning of the year, it said 2025 will be magic. And they put a couple of different nods. That was in essence their tricksy way of doing a poll, of seeing what people seen in that picture.
    17:39
    And I think that if we narrowed it down to whatever was given in that picture, I think there are two in there that they are prototyping.
    17:48
    That's what I think. And I think to see which one of the two it is, they're doing a poll to see which one is higher because they don't know what subsequent years are going to lead them. So they want to hit with what they can now. So in my opinion, they have Tales of Arabian Nights and they have Theater of Magic, and they're seeing which one ranks higher. That's what I think. Interesting. I was surprised so far, at least I don't know if the poll is still open or not, but that Tales was ahead of Theater. I really thought Theater would be higher. Yeah. It's close. Don't get me wrong. It's a 2%. It's close. So I don't think it tells them exactly what they were looking for, but it nonetheless says that, yeah, damn, they do want Indiana Jones. And I'm not convinced that Pedretti will do Indiana Jones because of the remakes they've done thus far. It's Funhaus. and even the ones that they tickled around on at 2.0 Code stuff, like Whirlwind stuff, they're all like original theme. Just until they break the mold on something licensed, I'm not convinced they're going to go into that. I think if I were them, I would, despite how popular a number of them would be, I would stay clear of anything that's going to require more licensing than just getting the Bally Williams license. Well, especially if you're beefing up the rules and you're going to be doing your own animations and LCDs. Yeah. But given their past background with a very early still alphanumeric WPC title, the idea of doing a System 11 would be more comfortable to them. Would it not? I mean, versus jumping into DMD. They should know that what you're seeing on the numbers of Funhaus, that is the max of what you're ever going to pull out of any alphanumeric game. And if you're content with that, then do not do another alphanumeric. Well, what if they do the other alphanumeric WPC game, Bride of Pinbot? No.
    19:46
    Dutch did that, and they proved that nobody wanted it. Well, but you had to buy a whole kit. Like, you had to do a conversion. You had to do work. Bride of Pinbot doesn't even sell for money. Like, nobody wants Bride of Pinbot. Okay. Look, I'm just trying to give the people some more content. I hate that game. I've never been a big fan either. So, yeah, I don't think they do Williams, Indiana Jones. I think that they're trying to figure out if they should do Tales next or Theater of Magic next. And I think they will do Tales next.
    20:13
    And I don't think that we're going to see it announced. I could see this announcement of the next remake being around October. But I'm thinking Pinball Brothers announcement is going to be like spring, summer.
    20:26
    So I think we could see these end up being on the line at the beginning of 2026. Tales of Raking Knives. That's my guess. Yeah, no, it does make sense, the timeline. Woodwork, I think. Speaking of woodwork, we've been going all throughout the woodwork in this episode, in this exclusive content episode. Thank you all for the continued support. May God have mercy on your souls. Turn it off.
    20:53
    Turn it on.