SDTM Episode 86: Fathom Pinball Review

Straight Down the Middle·video·34m 43s·analyzed·Jan 25, 2019

Analysis

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TL;DR

Fathom (1981) receives B-range reviews from SDTM hosts despite iconic art and era-appropriate innovation.

Summary

Greg Bone and Zach Meny review the classic 1981 Bally pinball machine Fathom, a well-regarded underwater-themed game featuring dual bonus tracks (blue/green sections), inline drop targets, multiball modes, and distinctive inverse in-lane/out-lane design. Despite praising the iconic artwork and innovative mechanics for its era, both hosts rate the game as a solid B-range machine, finding it somewhat fragmented in playflow and less engaging than other 1970s-80s titles like Meteor. They award Fathom a cumulative 3.0 grade, acknowledging its historical significance while expressing personal preference for games with better shot flow and spinner design.

Key Claims

Fathom's backglass is ranked #1 in their top 10 best backglasses
high confidence · Greg Bone states the backglass scored 'number one' in their top 10 best glasses list
The inverse in-lane/out-lane design (out lanes run back to flippers, in-lanes cause drain) is innovative for the era
high confidence · Hosts discuss this as a notable feature similar to Pirates of the Caribbean and Indiana Jones designs
Fathom features approximately 15 drop targets total across the playfield
medium confidence · Zach counts roughly 15 drop targets visible, noting 'we got say 15' drop targets
The dual blue/green bonus track system makes the game feel like 'two games within one'
high confidence · Hosts describe the split bonus mechanics as making the game feel bifurcated
Fathom's restored condition (with new playfield, plastics, artwork) commands premium pricing that doesn't match gameplay value
high confidence · Greg states 'prices that it fetches especially for a restore' are not aligned with play quality, suggesting high secondary market prices for aesthetic reasons

Notable Quotes

“It's one of the classics class of 81 yeah so it should be an A+ right I don't know we're gonna we're gonna find out”
Greg Bone@ 2:06 — Sets up the review's central tension: high reputation vs. actual gameplay assessment
“The game feels almost like two games within one okay right...you're building up separate bonuses the whole time”
Zach Meny@ 6:42 — Core criticism of Fathom's ruleset design—the split blue/green mechanic fragments play experience
“I'd rather have a meteor honestly...give me stern meteor over vallys fathom isn't that crazy”
Zach Meny@ 31:35 — Zach expresses stronger preference for Meteor (similar era) over this 'greatest pinball machine ever made,' indicating personal taste diverges from community consensus
“It's not one that I'm like ooh I want to shoot fathom because it feels good...it feels fine but for the time it's fine”
Zach Meny@ 18:49 — Summarizes lukewarm enjoyment—adequate for era but not compelling enough to seek out
“The playfield really tells us the whole pinball tells a story you're not really sure what that story is no but I ambiguous”
Greg Bone@ 15:52 — Appreciates the thematic storytelling and artwork's ability to convey narrative ambiguity
“I think the notoriety comes from Dart...I think a lot of it does you're right”
Zach Meny@ 22:14 — Suggests Fathom's reputation is primarily driven by exceptional artwork/aesthetics rather than gameplay depth

Entities

Fathomgame Greg Boneperson Zach Menyperson Straight Down the Middleshow Ballycompany Greg Ferrisperson Meteor

Signals

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competitive_signal: Hosts establish Fathom as historically significant and design-innovative but not competitively appealing against other 1970s-80s titles in modern collector context
medium · Zach: 'there are some older pins that I like the rulesets better like a meteor...this one just seems a little too split at times for me'; Greg maintains higher rating (B+) but acknowledges personal preference divergence
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design_philosophy: Fathom's spinner shot design (non-orbit, mid-playfield) lacks the satisfying flow of comparable games; Zach prefers orbit spinners for continuous ripping during play
high · Zach: 'it's not a mid play field spinner but it's kind of a it's not a mid play field spinner but it's kind of a it doesn't feels good if it were on an orbit that's agreed'; 'I'd rather have spinners that are in orbits that continue all the way around'
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design_innovation: Fathom's inverse in-lane/out-lane design and dual drop-target bonus track are recognized as innovative for 1981, with inverse lane mechanic appearing in modern games like Pirates of the Caribbean
high · Hosts identify these as notable mechanics; reference to Pirates of the Caribbean using similar inverse lane design; discussion of bonus track innovation
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design_philosophy: Fathom's split blue/green bonus mechanic creates fragmented play experience that feels like 'two games within one,' limiting flow-based engagement preferred by modern players
high · Zach: 'it feels sometimes a little too split I feel like it's almost two games at once where I'm playing a blue game and I'm playing a green game'; Zach: 'I don't enjoy it long term as I thought I would'
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Topics

Fathom (1981) gameplay mechanics and ruleset designprimaryPinball artwork and aesthetic design (backglass and playfield art)primaryRating methodology for classic vs. modern pinball machinesprimaryComparison of 1970s-1980s pinball design philosophy across titlessecondarySecondary market pricing and value retention of restored classic machinessecondaryPinball shot flow, multiball strategy, and playability assessmentprimaryHistorical innovation in pinball mechanics (inverse lanes, dual bonuses)secondaryUnderwater/aquatic theme in pinball design (past and future potential)secondary

Sentiment

mixed(0.45)— Hosts respectfully acknowledge Fathom's historical significance, iconic artwork (A+ rating), and innovative mechanics for its era, but express measured to lukewarm enthusiasm for actual gameplay. Zach is notably more critical of playflow and enjoyability (B- to C ratings on gameplay), while Greg is slightly more appreciative of the overall package (solid B to B+ ratings). The tone is appreciative but not enthusiastic—both recognize why others love it without personally connecting to long-term replay value. Greg anticipates negative community reaction to their near-C cumulative score.

Transcript

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do with you so I thought it does look pretty I need something everybody loves Greg bone bone loves you we're gonna review Bally's fathom now we know that this is a pinball machine that is loved by many yes it's one of the classics class of 81 yeah so it should be an A+ right I don't know we're gonna we're gonna find out before we begin fathom is all about a man being kind of taken underwater a diver he was taken underwater by some vicious mermaids we don't know their intentions dirty dressed a mermaid you ones last time you trusted the mermaid you got drunk one night and some chick is like you know I'm really a murk man you're like really you're been wishy washy down in Florida you ever seen wishy-washy oh wait there's a kid like it's been around for years speaking about 81 it's probably around then so literally like there's there's a there's a park in Florida the park and floor what part of Florida maybe around Nikola maybe right like the Tampa Tampa area all right I don't know I have to look it up but literally like you go down underground and there's like a big thing like aquarium and chicks get in there really in mermaid tails and they put on a show and they got like a hose and where the shells to get air yeah and to get air and they like real mermaids under freaking water and they put on a performance for you wishy-washy is like a staple I cannot believe we've never that is a kid do you feed them can you feed don't you feed the mermaid you throw a little crackers in there yeah but no because it's always so it's just I think it's like a it's a natural spring that they're into I think they plume glass or I can't remember it's tied into it now you've probably just stopped going because they excluded mermen if you could be a merman for a day with you what would you do as a mermaid like why would anyone do you know what I want to do is be a mermaid Oh suit Landers you pocket eight by shark you marry a man there be a Dean Mannheimer yeah man yeah I'll ever understand though the mermaid there's a little coffee oh my god I think we should receive a feather into the liquid I shouldn't like double add alright so let's get into it we're gonna do an overview of fathom with myself if you want to better to go over to Boeing Karen see it was a better tutorial than I do mine's probably clear visually than theirs why my papa let's kick it let's go over there [Music] alright who's ready to see and talk Bali spam 1981 okay look at the layout real quick here all these older games are pretty simple but very tough and difficult to master okay the keys on this game are two rows of inline drop targets one for the green section over here this is the cave [ __ ] and one up top for the lagoon trap and those will pop up as you play the game so lay out from left to right down here first off you want to see some very interesting inlanes the inlanes and outlanes have inversed so you're outlanes actually run it'll run back in to your flipper where you're inlanes or cause for death I see that rubber right there you can bounce it out if you're skillful enough like on the New Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean you can bounce it back into play also similar to the right out lane of Indiana Jones the pinball adventure okay and is that we'll talk rolls kind of as we're going through the layout here you've got a blue section and a green section so as you're rolling through those you're gonna advance that bonus and when that's late you're you need 50,000 to the left we'll call it bout life but that is your anything and special one with their same coordination over here besides this being your green advancing bonus so on this game it's very unique in that there are two two sections basically you've got your blue bonus and you've got your green bonus all right so you're building up separate bonuses the whole time so the game feels almost like two games within one okay right as we're going up here we've got a bank of drop targets three greens three Blues each target is nine hundred but what those targets are also gonna do is they're gonna spot you so if you hit down all the green targets it's gonna spot you progress towards your green drop targets here I believe same with blue if you have done all three blue ones it's gonna spot you the inland routes up top that represents your blue area okay going up you see the middle bank here if you hit one two three in sequence you're going to advance your bonus five times now that's going to be determined based on if you're on the blue or if you're on the green so you'll be on the blue and you advance that five times or if you're on the green you try to get those down in sequence to advance the five times again each section each area here's your blue bonus here's your green boughs alright if you get up to fifty five on each it holds that bonus for the next fall so you want to try to get to fifty five that's the goal so you can keep that bonus down here's your three times four times five times it'll show your multipliers okay here's our loop shot so you're going to they've got rollovers as well you're going to loop it up here and very unique to this game and very satisfying your inline drop targets the first time you hit it up there it's going to capture that ball as a ball lock into the lagoon ramp look at this art once you hit that ball in there those drop targets are gonna come up then you've got to start the multiball you have to hit down those drop targets to release that ball now the first time you hit it down you're going to advance that bonus and add 10,000 the second drop target you hit the same kind of thing you're going to advance it to blue bonus advance and 20,000 and then three and then on three you're going to release that ball for the to fall multiball okay here's your spinner very satisfying spinner feels really good whenever it is lit you're hitting that four five thousand-plus if you have your bonus up you're gonna hit that four major major points so the big goal on this game I'll tell you right now is to get your multiball going and then rip some spinners another tip whenever you've got the multiball going whether it's the upper multiball for the two Bowl or the bottom weave the green multiball if you will we'll call it that you're gonna want to grip those finish that you do not want to do you don't want to trap the ball again I don't believe because if you trap the ball let's say this one in Jackson you've got two bald little too far gone if you hit a ball back up there and trap it your multiball is over so your bonus is over because when you're in that multiball that's when you have your five time bonus okay now there are advantages and there's a lot of strategies in this game but essentially tried starting multi balls or if the spinners okay now let's say you're you've got to drop targets down there you need one more drop target if you hit those three blue ones it's going to release that because it's gonna spot you a drop target up there alright very important to know also these advancing lit bonus five times that is similar to your ABC rail over so that's going to do the same thing it's going to advance your bonuses as well you can get a special update as well typical pop bumpers very pretty and then this is this is your extra Bowl as well as advancing bonus but most importantly this target right here is going to light you're spinning you need that here's your inline drop targets up here function the same way as the ones up there get a ball up in there it's gonna lock it then you're gonna have to hit down the drop targets to release that now assemble say I think Bo and Karen says that on his tutorial that you you don't necessarily want so when you have two ball multiball you got two times play field I believe you don't necessarily want to try to start that third to get a three ball multiball because it's almost hectic you can't control it and you almost just want to use 1/2 ball multiball and then focus on the other two ball multiball then back to here back to here but you're willing to keep your eye on the bonus to see how you can build up each side so so cool you've got your third flipper right here as well that can hit the drop targets right there or right there and it can also hit that loop another strategy on this game is not always using that it's a pretty safe bet that when you go up there and it comes back down it's gonna go safely to your right flipper if you can drop drop catch it or or something like that okay how what else do you guys need to know play the art let's just let's just really quick so this is a restored a restored Fenton brainy Kevin brain d-bag glass brand new x-men displays brain and plastics all the topsides new new play field this is something I don't want to get rid of but I cannot afford to keep so some for just maybe the prettiest pinball machine made this is family all right Gregg boom you played some you play some fathom when I had it don't ya yeah tore it up yeah kind of brutal yeah I think because it was brutal because mine was restored clearcoat or brand new super fat fast but is a slow game yeah that one in particular was fast let's start with as we always do art hmm how do you feel about the art of fathom knelt on our back glass and spoiler alert or top 10 bad glasses is one of our so it was the top one yeah it scored a number one so with that said does the rest of the cabinet and play field match it for you yeah I kind of do okay on two shots and later yeah go I mean I don't know what to say about I mean it's a different style art it's more of a straighter I mean it's a hand roll of the time but it's just laid out Marvis Lee we know what you're saying yeah what about the cabinet I like the I like the the stencil oh yeah I think scales on the fathom because it's it fits very well but it's simplistic exactly I guess color tones me out or greens blues yeah and I just I can't I love that underwater like I just love that color palette that scheme it's just gorgeous man and it it's something at the same time it's still powerful hmm and you know it just says something you know and it's maybe shirtless men say that to just power vigor bigger bigger bigger bigger you know okay so you're at an a vigorously yeah you written a on the art package yeah I'm surprised not a plus yeah you know I probably should have thanks want a lot of people own it because it's so beautiful I'm gonna named fluffy Ellie did whatever about you led people that hate but it's even the mere bag let's think about that I don't know why you're in it laid the scores why it's not gonna matter they're yeah so I'll go a plus ok we'll change it changed okay a plus I'm gonan a plus as well phenomena it's the best part about this a moment she my party that's why you're spending the money it probably yeah I look to this machine because the the prices that it fetches especially for a restore warrant looks good I wouldn't say that it plays to that price standard so I think that a lot of it is the aesthetics of it give me the playfield plastics even over the playfield itself the octopus top right corner I can see the plastics then goes it really beautiful yeah the playfield sand I still like the the MIRR man or mermaid mermaid I've got my man's on my hand her at the anchor of the synthol anchor and him in the drain just like dying he's running out of air yeah I so say it tells a story the playfield really tells us the whole pinball tells a story you're not really sure what that story is no but I ambiguous well yeah it's like yes is a sexual it's it's like a short film that you know it's almost like a snippet from a film a scene like this oh just spit all over it's like you're really on stage here 3d view at the 3d review for dates for you get wet yeah no no keep going aquatic boy what else are you gonna talk about but it's it is it is like a scene yeah you might not have the whole story it's up to you to develop that story but it gives you a scene in it set in that scene so well that you don't really see much about it before or the mermaids or the mermaids being sexual or are they really trying to kill this guy I mean I think it's like a UH the scientist I think it's like sirens inaudible seductive but then they're just gonna they're gonna kill you yet oh yeah they use their sexual prowess to to rope you in and then murder your ass well there's one when the playfield I don't know if I'd be prowling okay I think what I can give at this point Taylor feet [ __ ] alright so let's move on to shots and layout this is a unique layout it's a three flipper yeah we have our upper flipper that goes Lou believe you're not familiar with the Odyssey Homer's The Odyssey we're such a studious man of the the not much into a fiction like if I want to but that's like required like really not in public school I can't afford kill a mockingbird is about this Boo Radley no the shots and layout I like them they've got rollover targets into the orbit you got yeah inline drop target banks that's front my favorite part they captured the ball agree so multiball in both of them no saucers you have really interesting out Lane in lane that inverse so the outlanes are actually the inlanes and lanes are outlanes and you can do a bump back or you can whether you consider but back oh well yeah yep you can do that as well so spinner you got a spinner yes who doesn't like to rip a spinner I like ripping spinners I am at you're at a beat nice solid feet yeah I'm gonna be - the only reason I'm gonna be - instead of higher would be it's not really a flow game for me yeah yeah you're hitting inline drop targets which is fun you've got a lot of drop targets on this game yeah I'd rather have spinners that are in orbits that continue all the way around and your spinner is not an orbit spinner so it's kind of a it's not a mid play field spinner but it's it doesn't feels good if it were on an orbit that's agreed so that's why I'm gonna be - it's not one that I'm like ooh I want to shoot fathom because it feels good mm-hmm it feels fine but for the time it's fine even for the time like give me a meteor a meteor I'm ripping that spinner I'm flowing but see I like those drop targets I like to hit them because they're dangerous well then they're blue or green and they get the back ones aren't as dangerous as your your green waggish your green ones are on the right yeah yeah they're not as dangerous as your green ones I guess yeah but I don't know there's something I really like about in in lime drop target I don't know I do love and then dropped or yes you love them here that's more reasons I like dolly like I think it's nothing it's good now rules in code rules in code here's the caveat to this you mean you were kind of discussing before this how do you rate rules and code in a 1981 pin well I think shots follow to that st. they can follow think squad scoring balance kind of falls in that too yeah scoring balance is important yeah more so than how many modes are in a game necessarily because we didn't wanna we had a lot of argument on how to rate these older games because our first older it's pretty old in that we've really rated like this and how do we rate it for the time period do we rate it compared to today because the shots no the shots honestly could feel as good close isn't as much as they're remaking some of these older layouts and pins nowadays and without the depth of the code you could still still somewhat compare it if your points gob points based game so how do you you're maximizing bonus yeah that's so so we stayed more true to the time period innocence do you agree with the Maryam to other seventies and eighties game yeah with the ratings but I still think it they can stack up and ring true with some of today's pins yeah you're to be modest you don't have the complexity but it's still yeah very well I'm with you you being able to be - you're you're higher up on other 70s 80s kind of games yeah I'm gonna solid be mm-hmm the reason I'm not at an a the reason of so here's the thing I like that there's a blue section in a green section you're going back and forth for those bonuses I like that there's a multiball I like that I like all the balancing that this has I like that you have to hit in sequence the one two three drop targets yeah I like how they alternate the blue green drop targets to the left to spot you're in line drop it's very unlike all very unique but that being said is it it feels sometimes a little too split I feel like it's almost two games at once where I'm playing a blue game and I'm playing a green game I just don't feel like it's integrated all time maybe that's the risk reward but and then also I do like that I usually start one multi Bowl by itself and I don't try to get the three ball I tried to a two ball and then alternates another two ball and alternate to another two at the end of the day I think it is solid it's a solid B there are some older pins that I like the rulesets better like a meteor might be even simpler a meteor but you're loading up drops to rip a spinner all day long as you're building up those bonuses but this one just seems a little too split at times for me and you just like you said it doesn't really stick up that much for mother he told me then really stick out that much for mother older you know late seventies early eighties pins yeah again I think the notoriety comes from Dart I think a lot of it does you're right okay so how in the world do we rank toys and innovation yeah what do you do you do make mechanics mechanisms this is the worst one this is what does not stack up to modern pants we do mechanisms and I think you do anything that is innovative that you haven't seen in another game you'd almost have to say mmm mechanisms and innovations make it yeah say mechanisms nations nicob ations megabases mom get patience okay so with that being said what are something yeah that's perfect for you today or something makes you like on this game the drop targets okay there's plenty of there's about 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 we got say 15 15 drop targets bitter some drop target you got spinners interrupter I think there is an innovation in the code how it is split oh you're not just it's not a linear thing you're running two different paths at one time if you want to if you don't like the blue switch over to the green load up that bonus yeah I think another innovation is the B inlanes yeah going outside and coming back in yeah I think that's innovative as well but I don't know what other pins I hear you're more studious than me and I don't know son but there are some bit of double a double out to end what's not yeah that's not not really done if at all that I'm thinking of there's a couple odd balls in there but nothing super innovative here I do like when you plunge the ball it doesn't go all the way up to the top of my foot because that's where you drop huggers on put your solution and it's a little date there so yeah other net I am at Abby because I do like not one set of inline drop targets but - yeah and I like the outlines that go in because that's really groovy yeah I like being able to pop it back in I didn't - but it's just look a lot of these older games don't have inline drop targets a lot of these other games don't have spin that's what you had to give it a beat - this is loaded for this again though that is just pertaining to sort of its era Marco specialties same-day shipping accessible website exceptional customer service and with over 50,000 different pinball parts in stock Marco specialties is a must for every pinball enthusiast and operator reach your pinball machine right by visiting Marco speck calm now Chrome it brass at black Nicolette King the chrome at powder coated the possibilities are endless at pinball play to calm your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of LED products with the best quality LEDs and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at comet involve calm music and call out yes bubble and it it gets chaotic at times whenever you're pumping it up I like the I like the robot sounding man how main surface surface al kind of kills the story on them so much rich artwork here the hamiel yeah one of the struggling now electronics in the water yeah saltwater sparked I do like it it's not my favorite see well be - some the bees your horse on it your c plus that means [ __ ] free but you'd rather have chimes chime away ding-ding-ding-ding by the way it can get perpective out there along with you well Xenon's work presente work again you kind of got a raided I I just don't know like I just have a struggle with this age [ __ ] don't know what a meteor yeah fight surgery I mean obviously you really want to put it it's probably is better than most actually meteors thing whoa theme think yes do you like this I do like the theme I like underwater thing I do too I like mine we have more pins we need a modern underwater theme again like any of these under this doesn't see that been pretty didn't read that either you know what that would actually maybe go for decent yeah I don't think it's license or I don't think it has these pretty free yeah that'd be actually becoming me because he grabbed a lot of the old timers but on to plus ya know you can put all kinds of little villain but just the underwater theme itself would pulling I think a lot of young people and a lot of people from our generation there was a homebrew Captain Nemo know that yeah yeah so I know the theme I loved underwater theme I used to be a saltwater enthusiast saltwater aquarium enthusiast I collected corals loser Oh comic book guy over here yeah you're the Nerds to the comic book world hashtag science I would check a salinity levels with my meter and I'd look up at some of you know what I'm talking about I know what summer I had a so rare where iam how long did that last break killed a feel the ball yeah hard to hear no not when you're not when you mean they're not like your mommy's dude I used to have side note I used to have this saltwater aquarium building Italy it was like top-of-the-line it had a LED lighting system that would simulate thunderstorms every once in a while you lost your ass on all that to Binion you know I didn't do bad Foster's I found pinball and thought and I can actually lose money here yeah and those are expensive areum's are like votes anything on the water with water just dang there's a lot of salt and electricity and you would freak out I don't see I don't like the whatever I don't know you don't hear anybody getting sick by fish but I don't want all its fish [ __ ] and everything and bacteria and everything yours skimmer protein skimmer look at you a couple there's our company protein skimmer it's my buddy here so wrong couple these people know for you it's B plus the thing up it didn't make it to that a category did it huh but you gave it a big me no stop yeah I gave it a big a I think for me it's hot enough I would love to hear you see more things like this and proteins change the protein skimmer clean them pipes every now you can honestly saltwater fish protein you can show me obviously a picture of a saltwater fishing on your name it you name it you made fun of my bird what's a Nemo we're gonna fish to see the clownfish okay that's kind of a talk what type of clam fish Oh what type of clown introverted clownfish you see a perk Euler clown fish or sea and ocellaris or is he a face bowler Asuza Mesilla wrists in depends on there what about dory she's a blue tang she is not she's not a blue tang close she's in the Tang family she is a tank oh she's they know from that she this is so I'm sorry but it's fathom what are we gonna do yeah she is in the Tang family yeah I did that's why it's your favorite fish love it I like it Tang Pootie Tang no I know what you're talking my I've seen it but now yeah I don't were in this movie it's horrible she tangs are known for their their spines that come out of their tail that they can whip yeah other fish with yeah she's a blue hippo tang hippo tang I knew it was a panel also known as a rhino tank but I was like [ __ ] we're close also known as a regal regal regal tank and regal believe no they're not regal blue hippo tang she's a blue hook yeah okay sorry I am a nerd that was an a for me theme is an ash I want to be a comic book collector now after all of that enjoyability how much do you enjoy the hell out of this pin the same useless Scoresby - it's fun Greg whenever I was like you know what let's do fathom we've played that enough I've got some video of it listen I've had a restored one let's do a fathom he was like oh say it's fathom this fathom like be - was being generous Wow you're right but I don't look at it the enjoyability for me as a see you heard it I gave all these and B's except for enjoyability give me something cheaper and give me something that flows a little better give me a better ripping spinner if I'm going this old-school drop targets are fine I don't I don't need that many of them give me an inline I like em give me an inline drop target - spinners we're good gates that is just it's not super fast of a pin it's chaotic yeah it's not super fast flowy pin so with that being said I didn't enjoy it long term as I thought it would now see I bought it because his restored me was beautiful gorgeous and then I was like I'm gonna slightly that much I'd rather have a meteor honestly yeah give me stern meteor over valleys fathom isn't that crazy yeah that's crazy so the cumulative grade we gotta get through this episode cuz you I thought I was the one that didn't like old pins I like it but it's just like you said like yeah I'm very flat across the board on a lot they didn't switch it up much and back in the day though a cumulative grade Oh surprise surprise mr. B - 2.96 hey I think you're you're gonna get some hate mail on resistant consistent a lot of people think that that is one of the greatest pinball machines ever made and you are damn near a C on it yeah well what well what are you I'm gonna be solid beat it's a three point zero six I think it's a good pin Oh it deserves the accolades it receives for many reasons but it's just not a pin that I'm dying to buy but I don't mind owning that on Facebook yeah share our videos that'd be nice of you vote for trust so we got two three B's Zachary needs some jewelry he needs a beautiful necklace like whippin put it on Zach make sure Zach is not left out put it with him check out what insensitive die like to use in there see that's the thing is I can't be insensitive yeah because you don't know where the hell I'm from that's true so it's yeah so soon that numerous videos and yeah yeah I'm politically correct that's right um Chuck word out on twitch okay it's winner i'll stream sometime Zach brought that to my attention he was like we're halfway through winter and you haven't streamed yet well you know what I'm just living life you see like buying new pinball machines and move in the next one but you're turning to me no never be you yeah you know because I'm not a pro to you you can't get to that level that's the I don't want to be at that level you work too hard I feel so I'm not I'm not working that hard feels so good working now uh check us out on YouTube obviously but again don't forget to vote for us twig puppy yeah share the video by temperature category is gonna be a big big big ceremony big for 2019 coming soon yeah we're putting a lot of working we're prepping right now so if you see us take a little break here and there we got twig preparations we're really putting a lot into that so try to make it the best things that we can free that's gonna take the next couple months from us and then we'll hit it hard you know go do some fun stuff but until then thanks for watching the show make sure to subscribe we love ya peace out [Music] the slingshot euro an iboutlet are gay [Applause] do I say must be plus or minus what why do I get stuck with this mean of all co-hosts I had to find a Greg bone for every Zach there's a Greg bump