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PNP 638- Star Wars 5 Rad 1 Bad+ Glenn VS Kaneda: EXPLAINED!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·42m 40s·analyzed·Sep 12, 2025
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TL;DR

Orby's Star Wars Fall of the Empire top-5 review plus Glenn vs Kaneda community drama explanation.

Summary

Orbital Albert ('Orby') hosts a detailed review of Stern Pinball's new Star Wars: Fall of the Empire machine, counting down his top five favorite features (Death Star, Center Jump Ramp, AT-AT collapse, Raymond Davidson's code work, and Jedi ball save) plus criticism of playfield artwork. The episode also includes significant community drama discussion where Orby defends Glenn against Kaneda's perceived mischaracterization of a post as political when it was about 'Canada's lack of integrity,' expressing frustration with Kaneda's repeated negativity cycle in the pinball community.

Key Claims

  • The Death Star on Fall of the Empire is smaller and better designed than the Death Star on John Borg's previous work, fitting under glass without losing 9-10 cross shots

    high confidence · Orby's direct observation comparing the two machines

  • Raymond Davidson is the lead code designer on Star Wars: Fall of the Empire and has primarily worked on music pins (Rush, Metallica remaster, Led Zeppelin) before this cornerstone machine

    high confidence · Orby's analysis of Ray Day's career trajectory and new role

  • The center button Jedi ball save feature brings the ball back up the right outlane to the shooter lane, a unique mechanic no other pinball machine has

    medium confidence · Orby describing the video demonstration, though he notes uncertainty about some mechanics

  • John Borg's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had a difficult shooter with tight shots, unlike most of his other games

    high confidence · Orby's direct experience playing 25-35 games of TMNT

  • Glenn made a comment critical of 'Canada's lack of integrity and ethics' which Kaneda mischaracterized as political to manipulate community perception

    medium confidence · Orby's defense of Glenn's statement, though the original context is not provided in the podcast excerpt

Notable Quotes

  • “Number five on my list is the death star...it's just big enough to lock balls in it, it's pretty cool, it's pretty fun”

    Orbital Albert @ early segment — Introduction to detailed feature-by-feature breakdown of the Star Wars machine

  • “From you to have done the code on like Led Zeppelin and Rush and Metallica or the Metallica remastered right and then to jump to doing like a brand new cornerstone with John Borg that's incredible”

    Orbital Albert @ middle segment — Praise for Raymond Davidson's career progression and significance of his lead role on Star Wars

  • “Glenn's probably at this point deeply regrets even saying the one sentence he said that had nothing to do with anything political and had everything to do with Canada's lack of integrity and lack of ethics”

    Orbital Albert @ conflict segment — Defense of Glenn's original comment and characterization of Kaneda's response as manipulation

  • “That is spin. He always talks about marketing spin. he's trying to get people to feel sorry for him and use the current political environment and current people's emotions being high to try to like...Kaneda's trying to make it that unfortunately”

    Orbital Albert @ conflict segment — Explicit accusation that Kaneda intentionally misrepresented Glenn's comment for attention

  • “when the ball goes down the left out lane...if you press that center button...what happens is the ball goes like bringing all the boys to the yard with the milkshake it sucks it back up that right out lane...no other pinball machine does that”

    Orbital Albert @ feature discussion — Description of unique Jedi ball save mechanic, identifying it as novel in the industry

  • “I would just be getting locked jaw, so let's shut her up and finish talking about the jedi ball save oh my god so what i loved in the video”

    Orbital Albert @ late segment — Orby's enthusiasm for the Jedi ball save as his #1 favorite feature

  • “i don't think it's the best moment in the game. I think it's probably the second best moment in the game...the ball doesn't actually touch the AT-AT. It's getting real close”

Entities

Orbital AlbertpersonStar Wars: Fall of the EmpiregameRaymond DavidsonpersonJohn BorgpersonGlennpersonKanedapersonRetro Ralphperson

Signals

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    community_signal: Glenn-Kaneda conflict: Glenn's critical comment about 'Canada's lack of integrity' mischaracterized as political to manipulate community perception

    medium · Orby's defense of Glenn and accusation that Kaneda intentionally spun the comment for attention and clicks; Orby characterizes Kaneda as serial drama-creator

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern media day occurred; multiple content creators (Retro Ralph, Craft Beer Sally, Foghorn Leghorn) attended; future live stream content expected from Jack Danger

    high · Orby: 'craft beer sally...and foghorn leghorn himself of the pinball junk drawer were there in president's presence yesterday' and expected Jack Danger livestream

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Raymond Davidson recently placed 4th at Papa tournament; elevated to lead code role on flagship machine, positioning him as major design talent

    high · Orby: 'Mr. Raymond Davidson, who recently just got fourth place at Papa' and extensive praise for his opportunity on this cornerstone machine

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Two-flipper configuration limits game design options; Orby notes inability to add additional cross shots that would enhance gameplay depth

    high · Orby: 'with cross shots but there's you whenever you add something you take away something' discussing two-flipper limitation

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    design_philosophy: Playfield artwork characterized as lacking compared to other recent Stern releases; inserts appear 'mid' and lazy in spacing

    high · Orby: 'playfield so reminiscent of the other Star Wars that's a bit of a letdown' and 'all the artwork there seems kind of mid' with lazy gaps despite Jaws filling them better

Topics

Star Wars: Fall of the Empire machine features and designprimaryRaymond Davidson's code design role and career progressionprimaryJohn Borg's design track record and shooter qualityprimaryPlayfield artwork and aesthetic criticismprimaryCommunity drama: Glenn vs Kaneda conflict and mischaracterizationprimaryMechanical toy interaction and interactive features on pinball machinessecondaryTwo-flipper vs four-flipper game design philosophysecondaryPinball community negativity and drama cyclessecondary

Sentiment

mixed(0.62)— Orby is enthusiastic about Star Wars machine features (Death Star, Jedi ball save, Raymond Davidson's code), but critical of playfield artwork and frustrated with community drama. He defends Glenn while expressing exasperation with Kaneda's behavior. Overall positive about the game itself but frustrated with community dynamics.

Transcript

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All get around, he's on the rebound, hear the sound of our buddy, oh lordy, it's Orby, pinball now to rejoice, he's tugging pinball, craft beer and coffee, mixed with syrup and honey, he wants to laugh with his family in a random tangent, stories of his boys, he's on the poor man's pod network, We're going to get more listeners for the Pinball Nerds Podcast. Coming to you from beautiful River Hibbert, Nova Scotia. Welcome back, Pinball Nerds, to episode 638 of your fifth favorite pinball podcast. My name is Orbital Albert. Don't wear it out. All right, I am so stoked. I have but yet only one new Patreon member to announce, so don't worry, it will be quick. It is none other than one half. Some would say the better half, some would say the worst. I am not going to take sides because they're both equally rad in my books. Shout out to Rachel Best, but also the other half of the Electric Bat Pincast. That's right, is Kale Hernandez. And go check out their new podcast, The Pin Pals. I haven't got a chance to listen to Pin Pals, but the next time I got to cut the lawn, the next time I'm going for a hot bath, the next time I'm taking the doggies, Little Miss, Elwyn herself, and Draco Franchi, for a walk in Yoggans at the beach, I will be filling my earbuds with the beautiful sounds of Cale Hernandez and the other person with him. I'm not even sure who they are. I'm sure I'll get to hear all about them. Maybe it's the famous Surge we've heard so much about that knows the rules he knows the rules perhaps better than any man on planet earth and i know the rules less than any man on planet earth and that is going to be something i am going to be saving for the patreon to pay wall for a upcoming episode but today is all about the star wars so let's just get into it okay here we are under two minutes under a minute and a half the preamble's done number five on my top five rat and for those of you who are noobs here okay newbie listeners welcome thank you for coming over i appreciate it let me say this i'd like to count my top fives in order of going backwards so that's what we're gonna do starting off with number five listen i didn't know i thought maybe i was going to include and then i thought that's a little bit lame i thought maybe i would include uh spike three into this but then i thought but wait is what's that great about spike three is it how good the new speakers sound according to george gomez or is it how the new big screen uh you know is bigger which usually bigger is better not always but we don't really know how the screen is going to be used because the three minute and 45 second trailer from stern pinball did not show us a lot of custom animations that they mentioned and we saw even less of like direct video from the movies so i guess my question would be i don't know how effective the screen or the stereo is going to be because there's no way i can tell we're listening on a toshiba flat screen over here how good a you know and i didn't make it to media day i'm sorry for trolling you guys on my last show or two shows ago it was a total joke of course i would have loved to have been there now don't worry though the poor man's pinball network got you covered craft beer sally okay and foghorn leghorn himself of the pinball junk drawer were there in president president's presence yesterday and i'm excited to hear their podcast talking all about it so far i've only had a chance to read collins that's right the kineticist shout out uh his article that was very well done i have not had the i saw some pictures from retro ralph shout out to retro ralph who uh was kind enough to be chatting with me while he was driving all the way from new york city to to chicago did you drive that far or did you like fly then rent a new car if you drove that far you're a freaking champ retro ralph so shout out to all of them mikhail hernandez that makes you listener number eight i.e member of the nerd herd number eight if you listening right now would like to be number nine or number 10 you better hurry up and join because i suspect those ones will be gone soon but number five on my list is the death star that's right okay it was done in a previous john borg before where we did lock balls in a death star i think this death star is improved because it doesn't take up half the real estate on there they managed to raise the death star a little and while raising the death star a little they also made it a bit smaller so it fit under the glass but it is yet so so that other death star on the really really old one that john borg worked on that particular death star honestly took up like so much freaking space you lost like nine or ten cross shots and like you you lost a lot of shots on the play field this one is the perfect size it's just big enough to lock balls in it's pretty cool it's pretty fun what you know me i am an i am an adult child i really am i'm an adult kid and the number thing one thing that i like to see is toys that interact with the ball and if the uh if the death star itself goes he opens his big mouth like alligator rock and he gets in there and eats it up and he burps it out okay that's pretty cool that's pretty awesome i don't know if he burps it out i really didn't see the multiball start i'm assuming maybe they come out the front again or maybe they go at the back some people like the back better i don't know it's up to you you choose i'm not gonna i'm not gonna what do they call it yuck you're yum i wouldn't do that you like little death star great you like big Death Star? Great. If Draco is being really annoying while you're trying to do your podcast, you could recommend that maybe you put him outside on a lead. I don't know. That could happen. Oh, and well, Drop Target Danielle's here. I tried to wave at her three times in last night's show to say what to all the Patreons. Thank you so much. Especially for the extra Drop Targets. There you go. So Darren said that now that he's donating, I can buy her all the Drop Targets. That's right. drop targets to go on my non-existent pinball machine stern are you listening who are all these other people that get gifted pinball machines to live stream on i have all the live streaming equipment i have the pinball nerds podcast twitch channel i would love to live stream absolutely any game you get including yes this star wars so if anyone from stern actually listens to this thing hello hello is the mic on hello i don't know with my old mic that made a sound Maybe with this awesome one from Retro Ralph, it doesn't. But I do love the Death Star, the stacked. You can lock the balls in it, and you can start it right from there. I don't know how the start starts. Hopefully, it's epic. I can't wait to see more video. Maybe there's a live stream coming with Jack Danger soon. When is the live stream? Is it normally like two days later, three days later? I don't know. Number four on the list is the Center Jump Ramp. Now, listen, is it because I don't want to say retired skateboarder skateboarder because I'm actually working on a, I'm working on a really cool challenge video where I'm attempting to land a kip clip within a hundred tries. Don't worry. Don't worry. Glenn, the skateboarder. Don't worry. I'll be wearing my knee pads, my elbow pads, my shin pads, my shin guards, my, I don't know, my knuckle protectors. I don't know. I'll be wearing my moose knuckle reverse anti-gravity helmet. No, I'll be fine, guys. I'll be fine. I'll most likely be fine. And if I'm not, nobody cares because I can still podcast with a broken arm. You know how I know that? Because that's why I started this pinball podcast, because I broke my arm in the first place and I was bored for three months. And who knew 637 episodes later, I'd still be yapping my gammers sitting here as Franchi likes to say, y'all have to endure through it. I'm sorry. Don't worry though. You can just put me on two times speed. I'm sure you'll be able to understand absolutely everything I'm saying at that speed. No, no problem. No problem. I've gotten trouble on this show for speaking too fast and for speaking too slow. Go figure. Hey, use the fast forward or slow button to make me sound as fast as you like. All right. So number four is a jump ramp. Have we seen it before? Yes. Most recently, really impressed by the jump ramp and portal. is the jump ramp in Star Wars as impressive as the portal one I'd say no but I do think that I said that that was either the most impressive or the cube uh type animated spinny thing was I think it was in like the top two or the top three when I did my top five rad for portal and where are the portals I would like to shoot a portal right here in River Hibbert and land and at Jerry's house and be like hey can I try playing a portal it's really hard for me to cover this hobby when no one on the east coast of canada has a portal i can play thank you and then i portal back out i tend to think my portal would be less like the portal portal and it'd be more like the uh uh the rick and morty portal but anyways all right so the center ramp but why is it important if it just did a random jump ramp and it didn't have anything to do with the thematic integration of the game then nobody would care but that center jump ramp actually activates your hyperdrive so there's like a point for it and right beside it you can see uh the oh my god what is the starship that they're the millennium falcom i'm sorry millennium millennial millennial is this a generational thing we're not talking about politics today i will tell you that politics uh have got even my good buddy glenn the skateboarder and a bit of a beef with the beefiest beaver negative nancy debbie downer that's ever been and i'm gonna be boring and fence it because uh i've gotten more than enough beefs myself this year and as you can tell we're we're 17 episodes drama free i'd like to stay that way now i did tell glenn if it's something he wanted to talk about at some point we could maybe analyze stern stern's newest star wars which i'd love to hear especially maybe after the live stream glenn's thoughts on it it's also been way too long since he's been on the show but because we might unfortunately have to talk about that negative nancy debbie downer a little bit even though i'd probably try to save it to the end because i'm attempting to be drama free that's the type of thing that i would pay well that's the type of thing that i don't want everyone to be able to listen to so there you go if glenn you have if you'd like to talk you can talk like i told glenn if you like to talk on air or off air i all yours i here to talk Sorry you being basically bullied or attempted to be bullied or berated or belittled Anyone who read Glenn comment and was sensible or reasonable understood it had nothing to do with what Canada is attempting to manipulate and spin it That is spin. He always talks about marketing spin. he's trying to get people to feel sorry for him and use the current political environment and current people's emotions being high to try to like glenn is like the most american dude that i know and uh i'm not going to go into like a politics or anything like that but i can just say this that uh canada would probably not be shocked or would be shocked for multiple people who glenn has voted for in the past so it's like you know it's it wasn't meant to be a political post and Kaneda's trying to make it that unfortunately. So he's lost his mind. But thankfully, it makes me look slightly unhinged. From time to time, I'm not the most unhinged pinball podcaster. So thanks, Chris. Thanks for making me look pretty. I look pretty, like, I am a pretty stable boat in comparison to that dude most days. So anyways, that's all I want to say. I still find Kaneda entertaining from time to time, but more times than not, I find him to be either negative, rude condescending or just repeating the same things over and over again oh i love every pinball machine then it comes out oh i hate every pinball oh i love every and then i hate it and he just he's done that for 10 years in the hobby from time to time does he make some very valid points sure but to get to the valid points you've got to wade through like 10 feet to shats and stinky cow manure and just negative and grumpy and political and i'm better than you and i'm a like he just contradicts himself so freaking often and that's all glenn was trying to say in that post but i've stayed on it i've given the man too much time that's what he wants let's let's like not give him another second if you want to hear any more about what we're gonna say y'all have to go behind the paywall with glenn or without because i am going to talk about it there briefly but today is star wars day and we never allow new pinball days to get ruined by negative nancies or debbie downers or bad drama in the pinball industry and that's what this is this is bad drama where one person had a mild disagreement with another person and the other person turned a molehill into a mountain for absolutely no reason because that's just what they've done their entire life and they know that it creates clicks and i'm sure tomorrow when he's going off the handle on his saturday live thing it's going to get lots of clicks but they're all going to be thinking the same thing what is your problem bruh anyways i don't join in the live streams anymore and i've been much happier for it if you're listening to my show right now i'd highly encourage you to not not pay this man a single solitary penny of your money and be behind his patreon and i would also highly recommend that you do not waste a second of your time watching or going or typing or even look at Glenn. Glenn's probably at this point deeply regrets even saying the one sentence he said that had nothing to do with anything political and had everything to do with Canada's lack of integrity and lack of ethics. So anyways, let's get this is Star Wars Day. It's time for C3PO. I went to go do a C3PO voice and realized I can't do it. R2, what are you doing? No, I can't do it. I would have to hear it first, and even then I'd be pretty, pretty bad. All right, number three on the list is the AT-AT. That's right. At first I was, like, mildly disappointed when the AT-AT fell, that there wasn't, like, a big wire wrapping around him like we're used to seeing with the snow speeder, right? It's Luke that does that, right, I think? But anyways, AT-AT is taken down by the – it's, like, a very epic scene, of course, from Star Wars. and in this particular case instead of wires wrapping around the AT-AT because at first I thought like well it should be that and then I went how on earth would you make a wire go all the way around and then secretly go all the way reverse back and then all the way you you couldn't do it or it would just cost so much of your bomb it wouldn't make sense to do it so I think it's fine what happens is at the exact moment that you hit the ball up that hyperspace ramp loop and it goes around, maybe it's a different ramp that gets it to there. Maybe it's a ramp just to the left of that. But you hit the ball up a ramp, and it goes around a wire form. And just as the wire form is like going around the back of the legs, you see as the ball is being timed to go around the back of the legs, you see the back of the legs come out. Then you see the front of the legs come out. Then you see the entire AT-AT like knock over and dip down, and that's a moment. That is a moment. I don't think it's the best moment in the game. I think it's probably the second best moment in the game. I do like the AT-AT better, of course, than that Death Star, but the ball doesn't actually touch the AT-AT. It's getting real close to almost touching it, and you know me. My preference will always be a toy that, like, interacts with it, even though this is still super rad for what it is. So number two on the list is not a toy. Number two on the list is not the artwork. Now, let me just talk about the artwork for a millisecond, okay? Wait, they don't have milliseconds in the United States. What would it be? An inch of a second. Do you have milliseconds? I don't know how you do your seconds. Wait, no, you have to have milliseconds. How else could you do time? I'm so confused, Americans. Stop confusing me. Also, many Americans were putting up like political posts, and I didn't understand them. I know that some of these people are far on the left and other people are far on the right, and I don't, Canadians don't, they're just, everyone's like vague booking, and I'm sorry, I just want to let the Americans know, I know you're going through a tough time. I get someone that I'd never heard of got shot and that's horrible. Violence is always wrong. I don't even like guns. I mean, I don't mind guns for like hunters. Obviously that's perfectly fine. I don't mind guns for like, uh, you know, farmers, obviously you absolutely need them to do so many things on a farm, protect yourself from bears, from predators, uh, to, to kill chickens. Believe me, I've killed chickens without a gun. It's not fun. It's not fun. If I had a gun, I would use a gun for all of them. believe me. That's the hardest thing I've ever done as a homesteader is decapitating chickens by hand. It's not fun. If I had a freaking even a good pellet gun that I knew would get them first try, I would use that. But that's not the point. The point is we're all getting wrapped up in this idea that either the left is right or the right is right or guns are better or peace is better. And the real truth is in 90% of these cases, there is no black and white. The real truth is somewhere in the middle. And so the people on the farthest left and the farthest right, They're the ones who are usually the most wrong, and it's the people normally fence-sitting. I'm sorry. I know it's kind of boring, but it's the people near the middle who understand there's a place for guns, there's a time for guns, and also bringing them onto campus like that. Maybe that should be regulated. There you go. That's why I shouldn't talk politics. All right. Number two on the list that I'm very, very, very happy about. I want to end by saying this. Anyone that's been hurt by violence, whether it was the school children that same day or whether it was the gentleman who got shot, regardless of his opinions, violence is wrong. Violence at that point is wrong. I mean, I'm not going to go so far as to say, like, if you could get a time machine and hang out with Doc and Marty and go back and, like, take out Hitler as soon as he started being a jerk, that that wouldn't be a good thing. But I'm suggesting that in this particular case, this person wasn't inflicting physical violence. There was no one in physical harm at that exact second from him. So what happened was pure evilness. And honestly, what happened is almost as pure evil as some of the stuff the man said. So anyways, that's all I want to say. I'm going to move on. Number two on this list for Star Wars. That's right. It is not a toy and it's not the artwork. I started this by saying I was going to talk about the artwork briefly. I love the right-hand side cab of the LE the best. I like the Bounty Hunter. I'm assuming it's Boba Fett, but I love the Bounty Hunter. It could be Mando as well. I'm not sure, but I think it's Boba Fett on the side of the cab, like beside the back glass on one of them. It's just beautiful. I can tell there's some hand-drawnness in there, but they also seem to be very like – For me personally, my favorite Star Wars artwork today is still the comic edition that they did of the other Star Wars. So the comic edition will still be my favorite. I'm a big comic book nerd. I like all of the back glasses, but I don't love any of them. I don't think any of them are significantly better than all of them, and I think they're all meant to be pretty good. The one part of the artwork that I really think is lacking, and I'm sorry, Stern. I've got to call you out a little bit here, of course. I've got to be kind but critical. I just feel like a that play field so reminiscent of the other Star Wars that's a bit of a letdown and b there's a there's so many inserts and b all the artwork there seems kind of mid like it's just not I don't know I know you're working with space but like Jaws even seems to have filled up the gaps better than this I don't know I I like the cab art I I actually love the cab artwork on the on the LE. I like the cab artwork on the Pro slightly better than the Premium. The Premium's okay with a big giant. To me, it feels just a little bit lazy to have one just big Luke fighting Darth Vader, right? Like Rey. I don't know. I know what an arcade, that's what would bring people in, so I get it. I mean, it's on the Premium, not the Pro, but I like the artwork, but it's definitely not my top five. Let's just leave it at that. All right, number two on this list that I am loving is we are going to see what Ray Day is made of. Mr. Raymond Davidson, who recently just got fourth place at Papa, shout out, he has only ever had the opportunity to get inbound home runs when it comes to code. Whoa, Christopher Franchise knocking his socks off. Albert, no baseball. I'm a dad who loves baseball and the Blue Jays. Go Blue Jays. We won like 18 out of 20 games coming into the playoffs. Isn't that awesome? All right. Anyways, this is not a sports podcast, But Ray Day hasn't really had the chance to knock everyone's socks off per se. I know like hardcore code people that like no rules better than me. They love the rules of Rush. I've only had about 15 games of Rush, like 10 in tournaments and five outside of it. So I've hardly ever played it. I don't know. Even with Raymond Davidson standing there talking me through it, I just don't understand the Rush rules that well. But I have heard from multiple people who understand rules better than me that the Rush rules are freaking incredible so I do agree that I do think he really good at doing rules but when you only doing the rules on a music pin you limited to making moments and telling stories and like coding and that cool type of stuff so if you will i'm not going to use the term cornerstone or home pin because it's not that big of a gap like from jack danger doing um you know a home pin to doing a cornerstone it's not that big of a gap but from you to have done the code on like led zeppelin and Rush and Metallica or the Metallica uh remastered right and then to jump to doing like a brand new cornerstone with John Borg that's incredible so we're really gonna see and I'm sure Ray Day has a whole team of rad dudes helping him it's never just Ray out there doing that right and I'm sure even John Borg is one of these designers maybe not quite as much as Keith Elwin or or even Jack Danger from what I understand or Eric Meunier but I'm sure he would even be like suggesting and recommending rules as well like he's been in the game for a hell of a long time because john borg is a designer i have no quims or quaffs or squaffs or quiffs i don't know i i have no i have no fart analogies for me thinking that this this will be a dog and it has to be brought up behind the barn and shot because it's not a good shooter i know will be a good shooter why every john borg other than teenage mutant ninja turtles has been a good shooter sorry sorry Borg and I think he learned his lesson he realized well that's just too hard if three out of four balls that you play on this machine end up getting Borg Borg Borg down the left lane it's too hard to play it and the shots were hella tight like I mean hella tight and again I've only played maybe 25 to 35 games of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles so maybe I just didn't find the shots yet but no I think it was a tough shooter and I know that Guardians of the Galaxy he was an easy-ish shooter with two really tough shots that far shot to the right and then the rocket raccoon shot the shot back at you that was so tight to perfectly nail up in there so he'll always have one or two tight shots but what he won't have is a lot of side to side shots because it's only a two flipper game more on that soon let's go back to ray day here for a second raymond freaking davidson i i don't like when people compare music genres too much or anything like that uh you know who would you even compare pinball nerds podcast to no other pinball podcast or i'll tell you that but i don't want to compare i don't want to compare raymond davidson to lyman sheets and ray ray day has not done enough codes on enough machines for us even to get a feeler vibe for if he can do stuff that deep but i guess what i'm saying is my intuition is my first thought is from listening to the do every episode of the do or die pinball podcast to listening to every episode in the last, what, even eight years, nine years, 10 years, every episode that Raymond Davidson ever been on, whether it's been Slamtail Pinball Podcast or have I not having Mon here on the Pinball Nerds Podcast? That's it, Ray Day. That's it. I'm going to have to have you on the show because I got to talk code with you, bro. And honestly, I don't know John Borg like that, so I don't feel comfortable asking him, but I've got to meet you a couple of times in person, uh you know well four or five times now i didn't know you that well at the first pinberg knew you a bit better obviously you knew me a lot better because you had heard like 500 episodes of my show before i came out there and he did tell me he has listened to every single one and ray day i don't know if you listen to every single one or not but i hope you do that would be really rad uh anyways i think number two on this list the thing that i'm the second most excited the second most rad thing about this is we're going to see an almost brand new designer what i mean by that is not a designer who's never designed a pinball machine before or coder who's never code a pinball machine before but a guy who's probably if i know him right been licking his chops to get excited to sink his teeth into this juicy steak or these these you know nashville ribs or wait nashville's known for hot so probably more like wings these nashville wings you know there's these yummy yummy yummy like this probably to him is more delicious than whoppers and this man loves whoppers i know that he's a big pinball player come on he loves his journeys but raymond davidson being the lead on this code has got me even more stoked to play it maybe i don't necessarily love all the artwork especially the playfield art and maybe i can't stand the fact that it only has two flippers because two flipper games kind of bug me because i'm always thinking but you could do so much you could have these exact same shots plus five to ten more with cross shots but there's you whenever you add something you take away something so i'll just end it at this by saying ray day i couldn't be more stoked to uh play your new game with john borg and your whole team that you've created and please come do an interview with me at some point because that would be super rad and lastly my favorite thing my number one most rad before we get to the bad is that Jedi boss, you guys know what I'm about to say, I didn't even say it right, I got so excited, I blurted my words, I stuttered like a stumbling Sally, but it is that Jedi, maybe I should take my gum out next podcast, that might help, don't worry, don't worry Josh Mudd, if you're listening, 1% better, it is pure no sugar gum, so I'm not getting any calories when I'm chomping these jaws, all right, too much, too much more chomping, I'll just be getting locked jaw, so let's shut her up and finish talking about the jedi ball save oh my god so what i loved in the video they showed this as i don't know for sure i hope but i don't know for sure how it works when it goes down the right out lane but when the ball goes down the left out lane if from said point that it crosses past wherever that little tiny um what is a little piece of metal the sensor that i forget what it's called but from when it goes by there and it knows the balls in the out lane until it gets down to the bottom of the trough. If you press that center button, I'm sorry, Jeff Teolis, I know you're not going to love this. He's not a fan of the center buttons, people. Especially when you've got to hit it with your elbow there, like in Kong, when Z-Mac was hitting it with his elbow. He was coming in with the weird sideways elbow. How do you stretch like that, Z-Mac? Are you doing yoga and stuff before you start your pinball tournaments? Anyway, shout out to Z-Mac for winning. But Jeff Teolis is not going to like this action button. Now, thankfully, it's not like the old Star Wars where you've got to look like you're... I was all alone. I was all by myself. I'm trying to remember that song. Basically, you know, to get TIE Fighters, you got to do this and you scare the crap out of everyone who aren't hardcore pinball nerds in the arcade. You got to go, okay, TIE Fighters ready. Oh, yeah. Get the TIE Fighter. You know, it's weird. It's strange. It's awkward. I don't like doing it. I try to do it quietly. So everyone, all the moms in the store, I'm like, what is that guy doing over there? Is he having like some type of panic attack? is this adhd man like losing it on the pinball machine it's like no ma'am that's what the designers wanted you to do thanks dwight no i'm just kidding uh that might have been Steve Ritchie idea i'm not sure but now you just tap it once like that like a good hard just give it one of those and when you give it one of those what happens is the ball goes like bringing all the boys to the yard with the milkshake it sucks it back up that right out lane and it doesn't go straight on up it brings it over to the shooter lane that's incredible no other pinball machine does that none i mean i'm even trying to think is there some em i know that like the walking dead you can get it back into the shooter lane but it's not automatic like that after it's already gone down and boy they're gonna have to really be careful with that because now if you can save every ball that goes out the left out lane plus and then they showed if a ball goes straight down the middle you press it and the ball like like levitating coming back from the dead the ball goes up between the two flippers and it like jiggles like a butt like it goes like that uh was it the spider-man butt in venom maybe it was the venom butt maybe it was gwen stacy's butt we can all dream right i don't know whose butt it was but someone's butt jiggles in the venom game and that's what the ball reminded me of when you hit the magnetized thing in the middle it goes And then the ball goes, and just in one fell swoop of the lightsaber or the Jedi mind control, the young Padawan sends the ball back to the flippers. I noticed this, John Borg, you said Padawan. I think you're mixing like pod racing and pod wars up with Padawan. Anyways, that's just probably my ADHD going crazy. Hey, guys, we're getting close to half an hour. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much to absolutely everyone who listened yesterday. Thank you to everyone who listened to the day before that. You guys have got three shows in less than 72 hours. Wow. If you're still not sick of me, there's not one but two shows. And the one gentleman, my best buddy, Melvis Megaphone, who tested out to make sure it was only $5.90 here in Canada. Oh, and Kale, by the way, when Kale joined, I don't know if he lives in a different state or a different province or why it was. kale was only charged the 420 plus taxes so it cost them like four dollars and 60 cents or four dollars and 50 cents so if you live in the same state as kale just be known if you live in a state with a whole bunch of taxes i apologize but if you live in a state with not as money i don't know i don't understand how the taxes work in the united states but i'm only getting 420 of it and kale is proof of that so shout out to kale for joining uh thank you so much again to jason forbes who joined since two shows ago and uh thank you so much to kyler uh i can't remember everybody right now but of course you can just go over there and check it out on patreon and see it thank you to everybody for listening today uh i would say this more so than any other time before especially if you're not interested in getting that le look will the le sell out day one i doubt it but maybe will the le sell it within a couple days maybe will it most likely sell through to distros within a week yes but does that mean that you can't get your hot little hands on in the future absolutely not in fact what that means is probably in six months to a year from now if you really wanted that le you can get it for significant less i'm not gonna you know i don't think it's gonna lose four or five six grand or anything crazy like that but i also don't think there's very much money to be made on it i don't think there's any money to be made on attempting to buy three of these and flip two like they used to during covid nah nah nah this game is not going to be that sought after in fact i would be shocked if this wasn't the most positive podcast about this because i think a lot of times i do the five rad and one bad because i know how easy it is to talk about the negative things in a game and how hard it is to talk about the really rad stuff in the game and i could have easily easily easily done a five bad and one rad about this game but before i leave you of course i know you're thinking you didn't even give us one bad orby well i think most of you know where it's coming as i throw my post-it note that's right i do have notes for the show i know uh some pinball podcasters brag about not having notes but i need to have notes i have massive ADHD, among other issues I'm dealing with and trying to get official diagnoses for. So that being said, let's end it here by saying the one thing that I like the least, the one bad thing about Star Wars is it only has two flippers. So if you were to go back to Stern's last 10 machines that all had more than two flippers, which I think almost all of them did, I think Led Zeppelin was the last two flipper. No, it even had a third flipper, a third flipper with a shot to nowhere. So that one was almost a dud of a third. I would never call Led Zeppelin a dud because I haven't played it yet. But I will say this, the shot that goes to nowhere, that's a dud idea. Can we at least agree on that? So to me personally, all of the good pinball machines, like if I were to look up even 19 of my top 20, they all have at least three flippers. And I'm not talking about a third flipper in a separate upper playfield or something. No, I mean three flippers on the main playfield. You know, think about every single solitary elbow and most of them have four. Do they not? if not five, including the upper play field, right? So maybe not five. But they all have at least four, if not three. I can't, even the pro of a single-level one, I can't think has less than three, right? So, and you really don't get that really cool, fun back-and-forth shots where, like, when you get multiball and you're trying to shoot up the fan, where you also have that sideways shot that you've got to watch, that third flipper, it just adds so much dynamics to the game. It adds more shots. It makes the ball flow more interesting. it adds a lot to the game by having a third flipper and i honestly thought we were kind of done with two flipper games so i was a little shocked to see this at the same time the main benefit of a third flipper game is that 90 of newer players have no clue there's more than two flippers so they'll never hit that third flipper so if you make an important shot on that third flipper and they're not a hardcore pinball nerd they will never know to hit it and it won't ever become an important shot and they might never open up the game and enjoy it whereas with this two flipper game which you can bet your bottom that a whole ton of these pros would be going out to almost every location making honestly like i still hear the old star wars is making big bang when you put in a larger screen when you put in better speakers when you put in um you know spike three capabilities for a better cpu to have like more and better video clips rolling up there at the same time going in and out of the animation when you do all of that and you have the uh the expression lighting i think is on the le that could be maybe the biggest argument to buy the le to be honest because that looked like it's going to be fire on it as well i don't think it's been programmed in very much yet but they've done a great job on all the ones they've done of that so that's even another that would be like your biggest argument for buying the le but again if you simply play before you pay this is the way because when you play before you pay you prevent yourself from FOMO because by then by the time even uh you know five six seven eight days for Stern to get them out on location you know a little bit of the FOMO is gone you know we've you know it's not a day one like emergency like oh my god I'm gonna miss out I'm gonna miss out you know and then by the time the pros out there I guarantee you there will still be LEs at some distros so if there's no main mechs missing go play the pro if you freaking love the pro of course you're going to love the le more the only time you'd love playing the le less is like in game of thrones when there's a whole new upper play field and it slows down the whole game well this is like basically all the same mechs are there maybe there's like less movement in one of the pro mechs or something like that so anyways play before you pay you'll never be disappointed and spend thousands of dollars on a game you don't truly love if you love the game and you're absolutely obsessed with it and you don't want to wait three four or five months to go get it say used on the secondhand market in your particular area and you can easily afford to do so sure go buy a new box i'm never going to tell you to not go like literally you live once on this planet earth okay go do it go fill your boots but make an educated guess an educated decision on wow this pro is probably going to go down by a thousand to fifteen hundred dollars if i just wait a month or two why don't i just wait a month or two for the code to get better and decide if I truly want it. If you're not like red hot on fire, and I've had people give me this example with tattoos before. That's why I have no tattoos. My mom said, if even one month later, you absolutely love that tattoo and you want to get that tattoo, I'll co-sign for you, Albert, and I'll let you get it. Shout out to Josie up there in heaven. And Josephine, sorry, Josephine. And so basically, you know, I wanted to get this, I'm half Dutch, so I wanted to get this like Dutch emblem from like our family of this, this sword going down my calf. My mom was like, you're going to be like 90 and not want that sword on your calf that big. And I was like, no, I'll love it. And then like a month later I wanted like a, I wanted like a world industry skateboarding tattoo with like the fire and the water and all the elements. Maybe that was elemental. I don't know. I wanted like some skateboarding tattoos. She's like, if you want it 30 days from now, I'll sign the piece of paper. Then 30 days from then I didn't have enough money built up. Something happened to my car. And then And like two months later, I wanted some other big thing on the back of my – like in the very middle of my back. And my mom was like, if you want it – you know where the story is going. So if you see it and you're like, wow, I have to have this, wait a month. And if you still have to have it in a month, you've played it lots by then. The codes got better. We've heard all the interviews from the designers, the coders, the artists, the actual C3PO guys doing the callouts, which is super rad. I had to look it up. I was like, is that guy still alive? Yeah, he's still alive. The only guy, well, I don't know about the only guy, but the original guy who did the voice of C-3PO, and I'm assuming the guy who went in the suit, is that the same guy? But at least, I don't know if he went in the suit because he'd have to be hella skinny to do that, but the original voice of C-3PO is doing custom pinball callouts for this. And they sound kind of funny and kind of cheeky, and they sound interesting, and so that's great. And the music sounds phenomenal. So I think Stern is firing here on all cylinders. I think maybe the Playfield artwork and some of the other works just weren't quite like hand drawn enough and were just maybe just a little bit too predictable. They didn't really take enough chances. Mind you, you know, the art department took some arrows from a couple of recent pins. People saying they're too vibrant or like to what do you call that when they're like pressurized to make the color stand out like that. So anyways, I've gone on way too long. I love you. I'm in love with you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to everyone's donate to the Patreon. as I did say last night on the podcast in 18 days from now I am strongly considering I would say 90 to 95 percent chance I'm gonna take down my stern rant it's not my proudest moment I meant to like lose my temper and for it to be funny like an 8 out of 10 but this it ended up being a 10 out of 10 I spiraled out of control and it was just it's a little embarrassing to have up there plus honestly I thought when I opened this up after hearing many other pinball podcasters talk about how many people would want to hear this rant, I thought when I opened it up, I would get probably 10 to 15 people subscribe in the first 24 hours. And we're up to eight, which is still really rad. And I'm super happy about it. I'm really grateful. And I want I'm excited to make more content for it. But at the same time, I'm sure there's got to be lists one listener listening to this right now going, you know what, I got to hear this rant. Now you can do what my best friend Matthew McGoffin did and listen to the whole 23 minute intro as a separate podcast. A year later, me reflecting on it and being open and honest about it or if you just want to hear like you just want to get into the grind of it jump to 23 minutes in on that post that i have there locked currently on patreon you can listen to it right now i think only four people have listened to it literally like i had to i think about the trauma i had to go through to listening to this deleted podcast from a year and a half ago who i've heard everybody else talk about who i never listened to i had to go through that i just sit there and like laugh at myself and also cringe a little to listen to it, to share it with all of you. So take advantage of it. You only got two and a half weeks to go get it before it's gone. You might as well go listen to it now because who knows when I'm going to delete it or decide I'm embarrassed by it and get rid of it, which is my prerogative, right? But anyways, I love you. Until next time, remember to eat, sleep, and breathe pinball. I will be back whenever Jack Danger livestreams. I will be back when we get like maybe in three or four days when we get a livestream. I will be back in four or five days whenever we get, you know like if we end up getting like a much longer form like an eight to ten minute video where we talk more about it but that was pretty good that was four minutes I mean that was not a teaser video that was a full video most teaser videos are like 30 seconds where you see like one toy one shot one mech one call out no we actually got to see quite a bit of Star Wars there and amen for that because I'm I'm excited for it do I think that it is their best game in a long time no do i think that it's maybe perhaps the best star wars ever created absolutely i mean arguably think about all the other star wars if like the first one's a six out of ten the next one's a seven the last one by Steve Ritchie was an eight this is at least a nine i'm not going to say it's a ten it's not as good as jaws or godzilla i don't think i haven't played it yet but i don't think but i will say this it looks pretty freaking good it's arguably by far the best star wars pinball machine the world scene one of the coolest most nostalgic i don't have disney plus right now they stopped putting i couldn't get through skeleton crew i like the first few episodes and or got way too political you boba fetted it dude what happened so i i haven't got through the last few shows season one and or was chef's kiss i like season one and season two of um um the bounty hunter right like a mandalorian sorry i absolutely love that um but i will be back sooner than that with an episode with Glenn the Skateboarder, unfortunately having to possibly talk about some recent drama. I will do it in a kind and critical way. I'm not going to be there just to slam one person or another, but I am curious to hear what perhaps caused or, I don't know, gave Glenn the chutzpah, if you want to call it that, to go at the number one guy who likes to be mean and rude to everybody. It's like, that's the one bear you shouldn't poke, Glenn. Come poke me. I'm very pokeable. Here, watch what happens when you poke Orby's belly. Woohoo! I'm like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Anyways, Pimballners, until next time, remember to eat, sleep, and breathe Pillsbury Crescent Rolls.

Orbital Albert @ feature segment — Qualified praise for AT-AT feature; Orby prefers ball-toy interaction

  • “i have no i have no fart analogies for me thinking that this this will be a dog and it has to be brought up behind the barn and shot because it's not a good shooter i know will be a good shooter why every john borg other than teenage mutant ninja turtles has been a good shooter”

    Orbital Albert @ code discussion — Confidence in John Borg's shooter design track record despite TMNT exception

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    design_philosophy: John Borg maintaining signature design pattern of mostly accessible shots with 1-2 tight shots; two-flipper configuration limiting cross-shot possibilities

    high · Orby's analysis comparing TMNT's difficult shooter (exception) to Guardians' tight shots pattern and discussing limitations of two-flipper vs four-flipper design

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    community_signal: Kaneda exhibits pattern of contradictory takes (loves all games, then hates all games, repeat) and uses drama/negative positioning for audience engagement

    high · Orby: 'he just contradicts himself so freaking often' and 'he knows that it creates clicks' and pattern of negativity over 10-year period

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    personnel_signal: Raymond Davidson elevated to lead code designer role on major cornerstone machine (Star Wars: Fall of the Empire) after primary experience on music-themed pinball titles

    high · Orby extensively discusses Ray Day's transition from Rush/Metallica remaster code work to being lead code designer on this major new release with John Borg

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    product_strategy: Death Star toy improvement: smaller, raised design allowing full playfield use vs previous version that consumed 9-10 cross shots

    high · Orby's direct comparison: 'they managed to raise the death star a little and while raising the death star a little they also made it a bit smaller so it fit under the glass'

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    product_concern: Early Star Wars machines have mechanical quality issues with Death Star brackets and ramp fixes being distributed to owners

    medium · General context clues in content referencing known quality issues with recent Stern releases, though not explicitly detailed in this transcript

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    sentiment_shift: Orby's frustration with Kaneda has reached point of public warning to listeners not to support his Patreon or watch streams

    high · Orby: 'I would highly encourage you to not not pay this man a single solitary penny' and 'I don't join in the live streams anymore and I've been much happier for it'

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    technology_signal: Jedi ball save with center button unique mechanic: brings ball from right outlane to shooter lane, claimed as novel feature no other machine has

    medium · Orby: 'when you press that center button...the ball goes...it sucks it back up that right out lane and it brings it over to the shooter lane...no other pinball machine does that'