2019 IFPA Pin-Masters Qualifying | Day 1 | First Session

IE Pinball·video·5h 14m·analyzed·May 30, 2020

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TL;DR

2019 IFPA Pin-Masters Day 1 qualifying stream featuring pin golf format with Star Trek and Black Rose.

Summary

IE Pinball streams the first session of the 2019 IFPA Pin-Masters qualifying tournament in Las Vegas, featuring a pin golf format where players compete across multiple machines with target scores and stroke-based scoring. Commentator Derek Thompson explains the format, target scores, and player strategies across Star Trek (35M target) and Black Rose (12M target), highlighting Joe Lemaire's strong performance on Black Rose and the copycat strategies players employ once an efficient path to the target is discovered.

Key Claims

Pin-Masters uses a five-ball format with target scores; scoring ranges from 1-10 depending on ball achieved and final score
high confidence · Derek Thompson explaining the format multiple times throughout the broadcast
Star Trek target score is 35 million
high confidence · Derek Thompson states this multiple times; confirmed when players achieve the score
Black Rose target score is 12-15 million (initially stated as 15M, then corrected to 12M)
high confidence · Derek Thompson initially unsure, then 'Beastler' provides correction to 15M, then target shown as 12M on screen
Josh Sharp sets target scores based on player performance from the previous day's Nationals
high confidence · Derek Thompson: 'Josh he takes all the scores from Nationals and then you know he takes a look to see where people have scored and then he sets the target based upon those'
Joe Lemaire achieved the Black Rose target on his first ball with strong control play
high confidence · Derek Thompson commentary: Joe's successful execution of broadside shots and middle scoop strategy leading to immediate target achievement
The previous day's Nationals went until approximately 2 AM
high confidence · Derek Thompson: 'I think they went all two o'clock in the morning'
Carrie Wing competed in the Women's Nationals
high confidence · Derek Thompson: 'I believe Carrie Wing she actually ended up being in the Nationals as well too which is great'
Players employ copycat strategies in pin golf format once an efficient path to target is discovered
high confidence · Derek Thompson observing players switching to lock strategy after Joe's initial middle scoop success, and noting: 'you'll see a lot of CopyCat play uh within that just because you know somebody's found a way of going ahead and you know achieving that Target score quite quickly'

Notable Quotes

“we have our first game that's up right now which is going to be Star Trek and we've got Josh sharp John Garnett Jim belsito and Joe lemare that will be in this group the target score for this is going to be 35 million”
Derek Thompson@ 1:16 — Sets up the first pin golf group and announces target
“essentially it is a five ball tournament and what you'll want to do is you have a Target score that you need to achieve on Star Trek it is 35 million to achieve that score if you hit it within the first five balls you will be given that score”
Derek Thompson@ 3:34 — Core explanation of pin golf format
“how the format works on pin golf is is that you'll be playing nine holes and essentially there'll be nine different machines that you'll be playing on each of them have a Target score that you have to achieve”
Derek Thompson@ 5:54 — Clarifies the overall tournament structure
“the lower score that you have the better chance that you have on going ahead and making it to the playoff round which will happen on Sunday you will play two rounds of nine holes each”
Derek Thompson@ 6:25 — Explains playoff qualification and Sunday format
“I'm the Lone Wolf I am here alone I'm playing in the afternoon session so essentially unfortunately you're stuck with me for this morning session but I'm hoping I can be as entertaining as I can”
Derek Thompson@ 4:20 — Establishes Derek as solo commentator and his mindset
“just barely that was huge two warp shots in a row and then he shot it right in the middle for the extra ball save his bacon unbelievable very nice play five Strokes for John”

Entities

Derek ThompsonpersonJosh SharppersonJohn GarnettpersonJim Belsitoperson Joe LemairepersonCarrie Wingperson2019 IFPA Pin-MasterseventStar Trekgame

Signals

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event_signal: 2019 IFPA Pin-Masters Day 1 qualifying successfully streamed by IE Pinball from Las Vegas with pin golf format (nine-machine card format with target-based scoring)
high · Full broadcast of first session showing multiple groups competing on Star Trek and Black Rose with structured commentary
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competitive_signal: Pin golf format reveals strategic copycat behavior: once a player discovers an efficient path to target, subsequent players adopt the same strategy, reducing gameplay variance
high · Derek observes Joe's successful middle scoop approach on Black Rose immediately copied by following players; explicit commentary: 'you'll see a lot of CopyCat play uh within that just because you know somebody's found a way'
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competitive_signal: Joe Lemaire demonstrated exceptional control play, achieving Black Rose target on first ball; other competitors (Josh Sharp, Jim Belsito) struggled with middle scoop shot and switched to lock-based strategies
high · Joe's successful broadside and middle scoop execution contrasted with subsequent players missing middle shot repeatedly and pivoting to lock strategy
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gameplay_signal: Black Rose middle scoop shot is high-difficulty; on-the-fly execution significantly harder than trapped play; lock strategy emerged as viable alternative for players unable to land middle shot consistently
high · Derek repeatedly comments on shot difficulty and rejection behavior; multiple players bricking and changing strategy: 'it can be a little rejecting I've seen a lot of that yesterday as well too on this game'
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Topics

Pin Golf Tournament FormatprimaryTarget Score Strategies and GameplayprimaryCompetitive Player PerformanceprimaryMachine Mechanics and Shot DifficultyprimaryTournament Organization and BroadcastingsecondaryWomen's Pinball CompetitionsecondaryControl Play vs. Flow Play Philosophysecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Derek maintains enthusiastic and encouraging commentary throughout despite technical challenges and limited information. Community is praised, gameplay is celebrated, and the event is well-organized. Minor frustrations with missing target score sheets and Derek's solo commentary status, but overall very positive tone about competitors and the sport.

Transcript

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foreign [Music] got it Clark is it Clark Clark got it first a uh oh what what just happened [Music] in Las Vegas thank you for showing up participating watching eating breakfast doing whatever really appreciate you tuning in today we have our first game that's up right now which is going to be Star Trek and we've got Josh Sharpe John Garnett Jim belsito and Joe lemare that will be in this group the target score for this is going to be 35 million for what I've been told however I don't have a sheet in front of me so please do not trash me on the internet for not knowing that we will get things going here when it comes to Target scores and all that stuff we're just running a little bit behind Nashville's went very very late yesterday so you know we're still getting it together so bear with us and uh here's some good action on uh on Star Trek right now we have it looks like Joe Lemaire on Star Trek sitting at about 1.5 million so he's just started um he's going through save the Enterprise on this first mode oh and I save and again on Star Trek he's just trying to get through you know his modes and you know it looks like he's going to be um progressing here trying to get his way through Mall through the three Targets on the left to achieve his multiball and of course hitting the drop Target in order to go ahead and Achieve his second multiball through that strategy that's what most people were doing yesterday on this um you know trying to build up through the mode in order to get to their locks so that they could go ahead and stack that for a um you know higher value multiball thank you very much internet for your patience yes the sound is back and we are streaming live here at the ifpa pin Masters looks like we're on ball too oh and a quick drain right there unfortunately so if you don't know anything about pin Masters essentially it is a five ball um a five ball tournament and what you'll want to do is you have a Target score that you need to achieve on Star Trek it is 35 million to achieve that score if you hit it within the first five balls you will be given that score you know within that Target so if you achieve your 35 million on your first ball you will achieve a one if you go ahead and do that on your fifth ball then you will achieve a five if you do not hit your target score then essentially it will be from anywhere from six to ten all depending on what your score is based on the at the end again you're here at the ifpa pin Masters my name is Derek Thompson the crazy Canadian who is announcing here um this morning I'm the Lone Wolf I am here alone I'm playing in the afternoon session so essentially unfortunately you're stuck with me for this morning session but I'm hoping I can be as entertaining as I can before you I'm running on about you know five six hours of sleep in Crazy Vegas here and hoping we can give you a little bit of entertaining action this morning wow is that what you guys were looking for [Laughter] those of you that seen the Texas pinball Festival you've probably heard a few of those last weekend we have Josh Sharpe here who is on Star Trek on his ball three I believe and he's now achieved the extra ball I believe the extra ball is two and a half million on this machine so he's getting very close to the Target score right now of 35 million oh ball two thank you very much and Joe will be up here no ball three so we got Joe here that will be on ball three and I think he's already achieved the target here I believe and that's the one thing you'll see about pin golf is that you'll just be draining your balls after you achieve your target so there'll be a lot of balls that we'll just go through and be played through so how the format works on pin golf is is that you'll be playing nine holes and essentially there'll be nine different machines that you'll be playing on each of them have a Target score that you have to achieve and essentially you can be scored anywhere from a one to a 10 on any of those holes so essentially what you're trying to do is you know unlike most uh pinball you're trying to only play one ball instead of playing you know three or or however many of the machine is set up for the lower score that you have the better chance that you have on going ahead and making it to the playoff round which will happen on Sunday you will play two rounds of nine holes each on the same machines that you played on the first day so right now Joe's sitting at about 6.5 million still got a little bit ways to go he's on his second mode and looks like he's hitting trying to get those lock Targets on the left hand side he's got a lock lit up the middle as well that he can go ahead and try to lock on in order to make further progress into his multiball no and he's locked on plus a gold battle which is nice because now he's finished his mode he's got two balls locked so you know the strategy he's probably looking at is going ahead and getting another uh mode and then going in hitting that lock shot so if he hits the left hand side that will give him both which would be an excellent stack that he can go and get close to that Target score that he needs tried that backhand just missed he's gonna try it again here I think very nice beautiful shot nice control and now he's got a double stack he's got his mode he's got his Klingon multiball and now he's going to be trying to go ahead and hit every one of those arrow targets twice if he does get those error targets twice then he'll have what what you call a roving Super Jackpot that he'll be trying to achieve uh there's another feature on this game where if you hit all of the lit stand-up targets that are there that will light what is called a black hole and that will give you an addable which is on the top right hand side just beside the top uh drop Target and that's one thing that you'll want to try to achieve when you're in multiball as well is to try to get that Lit so again Joe's making good progress here this was a quite a popular game yesterday there was a lot of people that were playing it in the Nationals so you know it played pretty friendly um definitely one where very controllable but at the same time like I say uh there is some danger with the slings you know it is playing quite quick but at the same time probably one of the more manageable games here for sure as a number of people were playing it yesterday so Joe does now have his three uh modes done and so that's going to give him what is a three in a row and give him super ramps so he'll be able to go ahead and Achieve I think it's 1.5 million a shot on those super ramps which could be very very valuable um oh no had quite a lot of things set up he was trying to shoot for his fourth mode to get that in so that he could double stack and be able to get his ramps Plus getting mode points that are in there unfortunate foreign next up we have John Garnett and he's got eight million so far so he's got a little bit of ways to go here he's deciding to go ahead and looks like what's he gonna do is he gonna go to oh Nero two excellent so he's taking a different strategy and then he's going ahead and trying to get his um one two three modes done on the same mode so again that's another way of going ahead and achieving your three in a row strategy as well the objective score on Star Trek is going to be 35 million from what I've been told so again um I can't confirm nor deny because I don't have it in front of me but I think that's what it is and we have Josh Sharpe up here hit his super skill shot on the warp shot and he does have a lock lit now so he's going to be probably going for the center shot in order to lock it and just wrecked out a little bit there in danger he's got the kickback though nice control oh can't find that middle shot that's really what he wants to go ahead and make sure that he's got that lock achieved here he goes again and just missing he's just just a little late on that shot he's trying to find it take his time oh no and I can tell him a little frustration there right here we go oh [Laughter] if you can hear him here and uh yeah he's Josh is very animated when he's when he's playing and uh you miss a few shots on there and he was uh finally was able to nail it so after about the sixth brick uh he he has his uh locks ready to go he's got his super raps ready to go he's only got one more lock that he that he achieved so he's in really good shape right now to achieve he's only good 5 million away from the target so just a matter of going ahead and you know getting either one more lock or taking his super ramps I'm thinking he's probably gonna take that lock on the left-hand side and Achieve that mode get the multiball you got your super ramps going it'd be very easily achievable very nice Vengeance multiball so this should be it right here um pretty achievable to get the extra 4.5 million that he needs so with this mode let's see if he gets the middle there is a middle that is a middle ball that's locked in there that you have to hit in order to get the three ball multiball that's on here but if it times out you will still get a two ball multiball out of this so it's not the end of the world if he doesn't hit it and he did not so it timed out now he has a two ball multiball and he's getting very close to the Target now he's sitting at 31 million again good control got the L1 pose and he's getting super ramps at the same time that he's doing this as well too so again um it's gonna be very close here 33 30 almost 34 million might even have it on bonus it's goddess super ramps and this should be it I would say and there it is he's achieved the 35 million and he's down so the target is 35 million um absolutely that is another feature in this game is the torpedo shots as well too that he could have used in there what I'd like to do on this game is actually do a wrap and then hit the torpedo um just gives you double scoring uh on that shot so there are various strategies that you can do definitely to you know if you're close to that Target score to be able to to get a few more points out of that and looks like he's sitting at about 31 million here he's got his mode ready to go so he's got Klingon so it's just going to be a matter of going ahead and hitting a few shots and you should be able to hit his Target there's one right there and if he combos this perfect excellent so he's got it he's uh sitting at 36 million right now he's achieved that Target and I believe that was a four that he got there I remember correctly it is a four so four is pretty well apar uh on this uh if you're looking at golf uh standards um you know you really want to achieve a four or less that's going to end up you know giving you the target score that you need um I believe that 36 would be would be a par score on this we've got John Garnett is on his fourth ball and he's got two balls locked as well too here so he's got good progression here he's got a good chance of going ahead and locking that third one up to get himself into a multiball situation where you know that Target score will be a little bit more achievable for him yeah the the format can be a little confusing especially when you don't see the card in front of you so I don't have the target scores in front of me unfortunately to give you a thorough explanation of how the six to ten Strokes work but just know that if you have below 35 million um and you haven't achieved that on the five balls you can get anywhere between a six to ten scoring that's on that all depending on what that score is and what it ends up being is it ends up being like 30 to 34 999 ends up being six Strokes then you go down to seven strokes eight Strokes nine strokes and ten Strokes so that's how it'll work on the scoring once Carl gets into here gets back you know we'll try to get the target scores for you guys so that you'll have an understanding of what that's going to look like if someone doesn't achieve it within the five balls so he's got his multiball going here he's in really good shape um he's got you know he's just got to hit those uh red targets that are in there Nikki does uh twice then he'll get a situation where now he'll be in a Super Jackpot so that's all he's trying to do here just hit the flashing targets you can do that he's gonna be getting very very close to his Target score up to 35 million um right now he's sitting at about 27 million so he's right there he's got a lot of shots playing on the Fly not much control here um which is fine especially on this game where there's a lot of flow that's what Steve Ritchie intended was this to be a flow machine and not a trap up uh exercise so I'm glad to see more players are playing like this That's My Style and I I definitely love playing that way on the Fly more than I do you know trapping up every second of the game so he's in a little bit of difficulty here yeah because he's he's definitely gonna get the Nero uh completed and if he doesn't then unfortunately he's drained and now it hasn't achieved that Target I think he just missed yes so 30s sitting at 30 million right now he's only got 5 million left to go ahead and Achieve that Target so he's going to be plunging through the next three balls here and hopefully he can get it on his ball five if he does not get it on his ball fire then he would receive a score of six on this game so that's kind of how the scoring kind of works with this yeah I think we're gonna have to start referencing some of these uh you know old sayings for sure because uh you know we are in the 2019's here and there's a lot of different pinball language that unfortunately is not neutral to enjoy so it'll be it's gonna be very interesting in the next few years on the different naming conventions that we're going to be giving stuff you've seen a lot of action yesterday in the in the women's Nationals some great play by the ladies I thought it was excellent uh excellent play yesterday and it's really nice to see there was even um I believe Carrie Wing she actually ended up being in the Nationals as well too which is great so it's great to see it and uh looking forward to all the women out here competing and really really showing us their stuff so here we go the Moment of Truth the last ball the last chance to achieve the target can he do at 4.5 million is all that is required he has his Nero ready to go here it's about hitting flashing shots at this point he doesn't have any real progress on Multi balls he doesn't have anything else going on the Playfield he has no bombs to go ahead and shoot free Targets on so he really has to earn it here man he's just going to have to shoot those flashing shots and try to see if he can go ahead and get that last 4.5 million oh nice nice wrap shots wow he's got up to work three and now I believe that's an extra oh he's got the extra ball now too as well did he hit it I think he did that's 2.5 million there that's a big shot on there those two ramps uh he's got it in bonus now excellent looking good and this should be it now he's got it yeah just barely that was huge two warp shots in a row and then he shot it right in the middle for the extra ball save his bacon unbelievable very nice play five Strokes for John so again uh that's how a pin Golf Works and uh and like I say when you're only trying to achieve a Target um you sort of you want to play the game a little bit differently if you know that you only need a certain amount of points You're Gonna Change Your strategy all depending um on what you do and what he did there with going ahead and getting those two Wharf ramps ended up lighting that extra ball getting that 2.5 million got him over the threshold and he quickly drained after that so if he didn't do that he would end up losing a stroke so very good strategic play there by him and again just the the one thing that makes pin golf a little bit different than any other tournament that's out there we are gonna be on a game I'm not so familiar with um black rose so again I've seen some play on here yesterday um different game um I I think what you're going to see here is a lot of Whirlpool action on the right you're going to see people going ahead and locking on the left hand side and what they do is as you hit the Whirlwind as you go ahead and collect your lock shots you get those sink ship letters uh and and when you achieve all those sink ship letters then at that point the side ramp will open and you can go ahead and start sinking chips I'm not sure what the target score on this one is because I haven't been told so I will try to find that information and I'll be right back okay we've got a Target score of 15 million B Slayer you get the winner of the guessing of the target score excellent thank you very much for that your math is better than mine is this morning so thank you very much for that again uh all you needed really with a 15 million Target score is one sink ship if you can sink that ship once you're gonna achieve that score so there's a few different strategies that you can do you can probably go up the middle to start a mode if you want um but you know we'll we'll see the strategies that people uh do here I'm not quite sure you know like I say with this game I'm not as familiar with it so it'll be interesting to see the strategies that people do on here and looks like he's going up the middle to probably start that mode oh unfortunate that he got to tilt there a little bit of a shove and uh paid the price for it unfortunately oh it's only practice see that see what happens when I leave the booth I leave the booth for two minutes I go ahead and I try to find the uh the target score I come back I think they're in play guy tilts out and I'm like well what is he doing so sorry for that guys uh rookie mistake you know I'm here by myself no one's here to keep me under control you have this crazy Canadian that's here you know so just bear with me thank you very much beastler trying my best here and this is a good you know it's a good segment to go back is that you know you want to make use of the practice time um in here like you get very little time to go ahead and understand these games get a feel for the shots getting a feel for the Tilt bulbs that type of stuff so I really take advantage of this time when I'm on there I don't necessarily shoot every shot that's on there I just shoot the shots where I think that I'm going to you know really focus on and then as well you know practicing your post passing going ahead and trying to feel you know the bounces off of the flippers so that you know when you get into the game you've got a little bit more idea of what you're doing on it um that's what I tend to do in the practice session don't Focus you know a whole lot on you know trying to play the game or or how or how I would go ahead and execute on the game it's more about just getting a proper feel for the game yeah okay it looks like plastic session is almost over here how's everything looking out there internet everything going good stream good hopefully everything is uh all of our technical difficulties are over again we'll try to get more of the target scores and stuff like that for you I just don't have the sheet in front of me so you know that'll give us a little bit better idea of you know where people are at what Strokes they're at on their fifth ball makes a little bit more exciting because you know if you don't achieve that in your first five balls it can really be a pressure cooker on the player to get as many points as they can so that they're not getting up to the 10. and I tell you if you're getting nines and tens in this format you're gonna it's really hard to recover from it very very tough so you want to make sure that you know you're you're at least achieving in those five balls and if you're not that you're getting as many points as you can to go ahead and not get yourself in a position where you're taking you know eight nines or tens on these machines okay Mr Josh Sharpe he is done and we are ready to go here on some black rose um you know it all depends uh some games can play a little longer but it all depends on what the target score is and you know what ends up happening here is Josh he takes all the scores from Nationals and then you know he takes a look to see where people have scored and then he sets the target based upon those so I wouldn't say that they'll necessarily be a ton of long long games that'll be on here just because when you hit your target you're done um probably what takes the longest is punching out the balls um you know when you're when you've achieved your Target and if you're still playing so but for the most part it plays the same it probably plays a lot faster than Nationals did yesterday because that was a long format I think they went all two o'clock in the morning so again one of those things where uh I think that you know we got four hour window here we're gonna see a lot of game action and uh and it should go fairly quickly yeah you know what the games here are all in pretty good shape um you know I didn't get a chance to play on Black Rose in the practice but I think that you know honestly um you know from what I've seen in the game shape of the machines everything here is playing pretty well um and you'll see a little surprise here you know when we play on sorcerer you'll be going oh my God uh what have they done to that machine but I'll say that surprise for you later on when we go ahead and and play on sorcerer yes there will be a Target score there will be that type of stuff that will happen in here uh bear with me I don't have them in front of me but I know that Carl is getting them ready to go here oh thank you Carl I'm working on it you're working on it yes I know I know and already at 1.3 million it's probably gonna be shooting for the middle yeah because again he does have his mode ready to go and again that middle shot not an easy shot on this game I find um again it's uh you know it's just very tight in that area and even you know when you're trying to sink ships it's not an easy shot to get in there either it's not a given nice shot it's an excellent shot rate up he's got the multiball ready to go here and here we go let's see if he can nail it right on his first ball he's got something nice and trapped on the one side Jim a very good control player um you know this is the normal for Jim he likes playing that control game on multiball yeah and again that was a quick one he does have uh pretty close to shink ship he needs about three more letters in order for that and then he'll have an opportunity to go ahead and start sinking so you might see uh left ramp eh interesting oh he took the combo very nice very nice shooting and he does have a broadside lid again it's gonna be shooting up the middle and he collects it very nice shoot sitting at 5.3 million so again he's got another opportunity up the middle for a double broadside very hard I find to do this on the Fly it's much easier when you trap the ball again pretty safe shots though let it come to rest and he hit another broadside for 2 million he's getting very very close now to the Target I think the target was 12 million on this game so he's only about 5 million away now oh tough drain there for Jim but a good start he's got a lot of progress that he's made toward the target and a very good start on this game and as you can see in here all the target scores have now been shown on the screen so that will help us a lot as we move forward through each of the games again there are you know further scores through the six to ten and we'll be going ahead and we'll be announcing those as well too for you guys the players get in those situations tough drain for Josh on the side again um you know one of the tough things you just never got it on this flipper and what do you do right that's pinball unfortunately been there done that and now we have Joe standing up oh very nice excellent shot to the middle so now he's got a fire button in here I believe land on the ship this video mode is just yeah quite silly [Laughter] it's one of the most silliest uh video modes I've ever seen in a game and now he's shooting up the middle for that broadside trying to get uh that done as quickly because it does go down on a countdown very nice 500K and now we should have a another shot up there in order to go ahead and Achieve another mode he's got double broadside he's ready to fire and boom here we go oh just a beautiful control shot right up the middle it is now he's going for the double oh my God excellent shooting there nice control he's got it on the flipper again oh love the control game here it's just excellent so again shooting up the middle and he's got it again he's got four million he's almost got it he's got nine million he's got one more shot for the broadside and he's got it boom it is done done some excellent shooting there how exciting it can be um you know when you're in the when you're in this format you only have to achieve that and when you nail that hole in one on your first ball I tell you it's satisfying um you know it really sets you up for the rest of uh the holes because I tell you it gives you a lot of play it gives you a lot of confidence to go ahead and say okay you know what now I've gone ahead I've I've achieved a good score on a game and now I can carry that forward to the rest of the holes that I have we've got John Garrett uh who's gonna be next here and again I think you're going to see the same strategies where people are going to be shooting that shot right up the middle um you know it doesn't look like people are trying to go for the lock shot they're not trying to go for a multiball they're not trying to go for anything on you they're trying to start broadside mode and just go ahead and shoot that ball up the middle so we're gonna see probably the same thing um you know over and over again and what you'll find is in the pin golf format you'll see a lot of CopyCat play uh within that just because you know somebody's found a way of going ahead and you know achieving that Target score quite quickly um and and they'll go ahead and do that themselves you are listening to the 2019 ifpa pin Masters here in Las Vegas I am your commentator today Derek Thompson the crazy Canadian um I am here um you know for this event I did not make Nationals but I decided to come for pin Masters I was in Texas pinball Festival last weekend so you know I just decided to go ahead and play in this event as well too glad I showed up they've done a great job organizing this event we've got Jim belsito here it was up on his second ball now and again he's going to be shooting for the middle trying to start that mode a little bit of brick there he's gonna control it oh nice oh it rejected on him yeah that's the trouble with the middle shot is it can be a little rejecting I've seen a lot of that yesterday as well too on this game um it's definitely not an easy shot to go ahead and get that you got to be very accurate Jim taking his time oh you see he went for the lock shot now very interesting he's changed his strategy now and he's deciding you know what I'm not hitting that middle shot let's go to plan B you know let's let's uh you know let's jump ship and let's now try a different strategy so that you know because I'm not making my shot and again as a as a good competition pinball player you know you'll have plan a and plan B in your mind and I think that's what Jim's now done is that you know what not feeling it not hitting it so let's go to plan B so here we go and he's got the lock shots in there now excellent so now that Lock's made and he's got a two ball uh multiball that's gonna happen here now so it's gonna be interesting to see what strategy implies here I would think he would go right ramp but let's see what what happens here uh lost one right away in there and again that's oh boy yeah that's a that's a tough sling you can see it in his face right a little disappointing um definitely had an opportunity there with having the multiball he was Target was only 12 million and he is only you know 900 000 away and again those are the ones you feel because it's like oh my God I'm only a million away now I've lost a stroke so you know but that spin golf that's his format and the way that it is and you know you'd normally feel pretty good after walking away on you know one ball or two ball and you still have your third Ball but in this every ball counts every ball counts as a stroke and you really really want to maximize wherever you can and and not give up those Strokes it's kind of like when you have the two footer in golf and you go ahead and you miss that shot and you miss that easy Putt and you know you give up those strokes and you really don't want to do that in the store man yeah now we have Josh Sharpe uh who's up and again he's taking the lock strategy here as well too looks like and now he's spotted one he's gonna go for another one I'm assuming he's going to pass it over and oh no yeah very tough so again you're seeing a couple different strategies here which I'm finding interesting Joe was able to you know really nail that middle uh that middle scoop in there whereas the other players have had some difficulty in it so now they're switching to the log shot and trying to get their multiball started so very interesting to see the differences in uh in strategy and how they're and how they're trying to progress through this game uh the target score for this game will be 12 million as far as I've Been Told so again we've got John here he's definitely got a lot of work to do and sitting at 1.2 but again you know very achievable I think that you know you just really got to hit your shots on this game you really got to be able to hit that middle uh that middle school if you don't have that shot in Your Arsenal it's going to be a long day on this game very nice shot there he's got that 2 million and here we go he's got his broadside and now he just has to go ahead and hit that middle again and see what he can do oh very nice very nice and he hit it right away on the countdown so that 1.6 million is going to be very very nice it's got 5.4 million now he's you know moving up through The Strokes which is nice give them a little confidence now he's hit that shot a couple times as well too I think he's just gonna keep on shooting for the middle because he's found it twice and it's a great opportunity now for him to go ahead and Achieve his Target he's got the double broadside lit now as well so he's really really in good shape here if you can just get it in the middle oh here's a video mode coming up one of the best video modes you'll ever see in a game is this one and again missed that shot and unfortunately a drain oh boy yeah needed that uh shot to go right in the middle and he would have achieved his multiball there so yeah and it's you know what uh with that swinging cannon that's there I tell you one it's not easy to do the timing on that swinging Cannon but on this particular game you really gotta slam down on the button in order for it to even you know register so that you know there's two things that make it very tough when you're in that Cannon shot on this particular game okay we have Jim belsito who is very very close to his Target uh he's got his video mode ready to go he decided to go ahead and not take that and to go ahead and play a safe shot you know which is uh again as well will work it's got one tilt warning that's on there but again he's got a very very good opportunity here and now he's got the perfect shot up the middle into the scoop they'll just have to fire it away and he's got a spot letter I don't know how many he has on the sink ship but he's gonna be fairly close there to a sink ship as well too and trying yeah he tried to decide to get the broadside but he's got all he has to do is hit one broadside here and he uh at his Target I think and he's now achieved the target at 12 million so he has done it um he is there now and I think that was on his third ball so again really nice ball again from Jim yeah I think he already had the target though so I don't think that's that's gonna hurt him oh Target is 15 million thank you very much I thought it was 12 million losing my mind here it's too early in the morning so that's why there's the destruct phase for uh for Jim in there thanks for helping me out here internet um I need all the help that I can get you know that short-term memory as I get older you know I just uh don't remember as much as I used to very tough ball there and there's gonna be a plunge out here and we are a shoe betcha 12 000 U.S 15 Canadians probably a lot worse than that [Laughter] yeah I'm feeling the exchange rate here I can tell you that being in the U.S for for a week and so it looks like we're gonna have John Garrett stepping up here again still quite a lot of work to do here I think um at six million still quite far away from the target so be interesting to see if he goes locks here or if he goes up the middle I think he's been trying to go ahead and go up the middle he's been you know successful um doing that so I don't know I have a feeling he's going to be trying for that's good job we'll see what happens here and there he goes I just gotta walk the plank this is the awesome video mode that we have here wow look at this look at the graphics on this this is quite an important and can he do it oh he does not get eaten by the shark 500K excellent oh and a great shot up the middle excellent he's got that broadside lip and we are looking here at 9.6 million he's getting very very close to the Target now now it's achievable now it's oh no an extra flip there you know I think cost him I think if he would have been able to just pass that you know to the right hand flipper and take his time with that he would have set himself up for that middle school but again uh sometimes when you do that extra flip it'll cost you and I think that's what happened there for Joe here we go with Mr Jim belsito former pinberg champion well decorated I don't know how many majors he's won but I tell you he's won a lot of tournaments in his career he's a hell of a player and even better guy uh one of one of one of my favorite uh guys on the circuit I love hanging out with Jim yes such knowledgeable of pinball and just life in general so I really appreciate anytime I get a chance to spend time with him he's a great dude we've got uh very very close here to 15 million I think he's sitting at around 13 right now trying to hit his middle scoop oh he did achieve it just barely that again is where you're sweating bullets and just glad that you achieved the target before it went down the middle because it would have cost them again another stroke if it didn't so again Jim is safe I think he got that in three so again or actually four so you put a part that so he'll keep with his minus two strokes on two holds so you know that's pretty good if you can do minus one per hole you're going to be sitting at about nine minus nine at the end of the uh competition on the first day and that's pretty good standing I think that you know he in previous years you needed about minus four minus five in order to get into the playoffs so you know he did a good start um but it really all depends on you know the setup of the machines the target scores you know that number could fluctuate all depending but I know for the previous years it's been sitting at around -4 minus five to get in that Playoff round so Josh now has now started his multiball so we'll see what he's going to be doing here uh I'm assuming he's probably again going to be going for some right ramp action here but we'll see what happens he's going left ramp is he okay so he's getting some sink strips he's getting a millionaire shot when he does that um which is very very important he's got a nice trap up there and he's going to be getting another million there so he's gonna grind it out here to try to get his 15 million nice and controlled McDonald's feels very comfortable with that left uh ramp over there so he's going to continue on doing this and there's another one and now he's got the sink shift letters as well too so now he's got an opportunity here now that he's got the full ship to be able to go ahead and actually get it into that top side ramp that's there and then be able to light that uh to go ahead and then get um the shot to the middle for 20 million and that's huge on this game but you were seeing a lot of people using that strategy in Nashville's yesterday just because that's a way to achieve your higher score but in this format here it looks like people are just going for the middle scoop so very interesting to see here oh and just cannot hit that side ramp he is looking for that side ramp right now again nice post pass he's got that left ramp and side ramp there he goes and now he's got an opportunity to go in and sink that ship oh he oh no oh no the pain the horror oh you do all of that work to go ahead and get that set up and then that button just does not get you where you need to get to on this game I can just imagine the pain and Agony of that great work by Josh so setting that up really nice just an unfortunate they just wasn't able to hit that scoop um off of the cannon yeah there's a ton of great players here this weekend you know a number of top one uh 100 players that are playing in this event um you know you got you know you just have a really good quality field here and I think it's you know what I seen yesterday is is that there's a lot of players that are even outside of the 100 that are in these states that are just awesome awesome players that you don't get to see on the circuit very often so I was quite impressed with the quality of play yesterday the number of different players that I never got to ever see play before um wow the the competition was very very good yesterday and just the quality of play was fantastic to see oh no unfortunately um a tough drain there and the goal is 15 million on um on Black Rose so for those that have just joined us John is the only one left that is on this course right now all the rest of the players have achieved the target that's on here and the game is Black Rose in case so again John's gonna be trying to go ahead and get his last ball in here because I think we're on ball five so Josh looking for again uh you know he needs about 4 million here because if he doesn't then he's going to be getting into a situation where he's going to be taking a six or a seven on this machine and you definitely don't want to be taking any more than fives in this format um they definitely hurt you there he goes he sunk that ship boom and we're looking here at what 20 million yeah he just blew it away if he would have got that on the first ball or on the previous ball he would have been a lot happier but you know this is hit his Target now and uh yeah a little dejection there but uh you know better late than never right uh Zach sharp actually won last night so uh he is the the new US champion as far as I know and I didn't tune in last night I got out of here at about midnight because the play went to about 1 or 1 30 I think last night so I didn't catch that action but I believe that Zach sharp did win the Nationals last night U.S Nationals okay last ball for Joe again a little bit of work to do he's got I think he had about 10 million yeah here we go 9.6 million so we will see if he's gonna go to the scoop again looks like he is he's got rant Millions oh that's very nice yeah that's a great mode to get here now he can just shoot the ramps and get his millions so there's one oh one more one more yeah he's flailing a little bit here oh he's got a control and there you go there's one more he just needs one more ramp and he'll have his goal achieved here at 15 million and what is he gonna do here is he actually gonna shoot for it or is he just going to take oh very nice excellent he's got the video mode going again one of the one of the best video modes you'll ever find on a pinball machine and he's swinging in New came up a little short foreign oh my God I'll tell you I don't know what someone was thinking when they went ahead and programmed that but it is what it is uh we've got uh one more ramp here because I still think he's in the mode and he has achieved the 15 million excellent awesome he has got it so we do have uh everybody here that achieved it within the five so Joe or John ended up getting five on that machine and he's now up to plus two in his stroke count um and it looks like we're gonna be moving over now to X-Men this is a game that I actually really just learned uh last week in the Texas pinball Festival I hadn't had a lot of time on X-Men to really understand it or to even care to understand it because I really honestly didn't really like a lot of the shots on the game I feel like the playfield's got too many shots on it but now that I've played it a little bit I have a little bit better of an understanding of it um it's a fun game you know I I enjoy issuing it now that I kind of know what I'm doing uh you know with the trying to achieve your villains and and trying to go ahead and stack that you know against a multiball and you know getting your make needle mountie ball that's in there and there's just a lot of really neat uh things you got your stand-ups on the left and right that will go ahead and you know get your Hell Fire and your Brotherhood multiballs so there's a lot of really cool features that are on this game I have a much greater appreciation for it so thank you very much Texas pinball vessel for bringing that machine in and changing my mind about this game because uh I definitely have a much greater understanding of the game and a much greater appreciation for it and so we're just going to go through our press practice session here I don't know what the target score is on here so I'm going to do a little walk and I'll be right back enjoy the practice session and I'll see you in a bit thank you for doing this here oh we got we have a guest speaker oh yeah I guess Yeah Carl D'Python Anghelo how's it going Carl yeah fantastic yeah how you've been doing so far uh not so good no no so not so good is what plus or minus six already no no no no attack screwed me over twice oh get it oh yeah oh my God oh my God it's on the hard locks now it's no longer oh it's no one right exactly oh okay so they made a few adjustments did they X-Men was was all right okay um we've got uh we've got Jim belsito here and are they still on practice I'm assuming I'm assuming that I think they are I think we can still shoot uh let's shoot a little bit more so on X-Men what was your strategy when you went ahead and you know what I went straight into Wolverine in the meantime I want to bring a villain in yeah so yeah start a villain start Wolverine you should have your 50 million I got a 11 mil out of Wolverine alone so so you're thinking Magneto way too much oh yeah yeah you know you have to shoot too many other shots to make Magneto for sure now what what villain were you choosing to bring in uh you know I did send those just because every shot slide okay and and when didn't you get your villain what you're really shooting to go ahead and do that to start it the scoop the scoop yeah it's a nice feed if you dead bounce it over you can repeat it and which villain did you actually bring in in here like on your shot I didn't I started Wolverine right away yes but what were you trying to do what what shot were you trying to achieve on there so for me I like going on the right ramp I find that that shot is a little bit easier oh during it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I was just cradled up on the right with two balls and shooting the right ramp ah yeah separating and trying and then accidentally started Wolverine yeah very early on and how many hits on war of arena is it two or three or it's not five four yeah that's not much okay and it's the captive ball in this it's not the oh it's a modification oh okay oh excellent yes yes and then attack from Mars is now on the hard lock so that's going to change the strategy a little bit on that game right so and especially since it's a remake it's harder to make that lock shot yes Josh didn't know that setting was changed oh it's uh when you said it's a five ball changes too so Zach just missed you went in there no no when you change the game to five ball it automatically switches oh isn't that interesting right ah so these uh The Strokes on the screen uh the games are set to pars of four so that's why you see some with negative two negative three zero so Josh has done eight Strokes in two games so that's why he's got a zero so you're looking at a score of 36 to get an even round and any if you go below 36 then you're getting the minuses if you go ahead then you're going getting the pluses right okay excellent um again you know this is a just a really cool format um one of the one of the differences on this format is is that you know getting into the six to ten range and when you're sweating bullets on your fifth ball and you're trying to achieve that Target you're not getting it you're kind of counting okay what do I need to get right to get to that next stroke right right right you know I'm at eight right now oh my God what do I need to get to get to seven to six right exactly just changes in the game um yeah and again I I love the setup the machines here I think that you know everything's been playing really really well um you know a ton of people are here today having a lot of fun I see you know lots of smiling faces yesterday in the Nationals seeing all these new people yeah come in I thought that was the coolest thing in the world it's always fantastic to see all the new people yes doesn't matter if you're playing on uh you know Black Rose or if you go into Tron or if you're hitting it an em like Arab or cadaver they're all the same they put them all to four and they've used all the previous scores from the Nationals on the previous day to go ahead and set those targets right so you know Josh goes in does a lot of work to go ahead and make sure that it keeps track of all the scores of the day before to try to achieve reasonable Targets on these machines because you know you really have no idea until you see the setup until you see the players play on what that Target score should be so it's a great opportunity for them to set really good Target scores by utilizing uh you know that play in the previous game so one other thing to mention before I get out of here is there's no standings page right now because everyone's we're running on paper sheets oh really yeah I'm I'm manually updating this group since you're following it okay um but you won't be able to see standings until they tie around and stuff where's the Adam Becker uh you know sheet that he had the XL sheet that he had a couple years ago well he'd be having to go to Every group and check it they're not going to do that oh okay so so we are really Flying Blind here right this morning okay we are blind blind no problem so and I need to change something in stream elements apparently because this is part five and it's actually part four let's see Par Four there we go all right that's been fixed oh see just like that magic so we are going to actually start here on X-Men are you sticking around are you playing I'm I'm on Abracadabra we already finished it you finished no we finished the attack from Mars we're one whole head of this group okay excellent all right I still return at some point thanks Derek no problem thanks for joining Carl so we have X-Men and we have Joe Lemaire who's starting us off here oh nice nudge there and he gets away with it excellent perfect nudge he's got the two ball uh or two warnings so he won't be doing any more of that for the rest of this ball but he's got under control right now and let's see if he's going to bring through a villain and to go ahead and get these villain shots any of those flashing white shots that are on there we'll go ahead and enable you to start your villain you need about three shots in order to get that villain going and then once you have that you'll be able to achieve that through the scoop and let's see if he's actually going for Hellfire maybe because Hellfire targets are on the on the left so you may be doing that as well too to get that going all right now he's got a so he does have a mode going he's gonna take his Hellfire I believe oh Sentinels interesting so he did take the sentence mode it looks like he's going to try to hit Wolverine here to get that multiball stacked and if he does that then he'll be ready to go there's two and I think he only needs two more shots that Wolverine and he's got his stack going and one more shot and he should have one more and he's got Wolverine going that register and there he goes I think he's got uh does he have Wolverine going there it goes so he's got this multiball and now he's got the perfect stack going again um he's got a very very uh a good opportunity here to achieve this uh within the 15 million now that he's got uh both this multiball going um and again you're you're shooting for those red targets you're going to be shooting for Wolverine getting that started um tons of shots on this Playfield there's just a ton of them sitting already at 8 million he's already halfway there thank you so again I think he's going to be probably going to try to hit his probably right wrap or some type of shot to get another villain in here right now to get something going and get something started I think Magneto is really a hope and a prayer right now just because there's a lot of shots in order to get to there um but you know we might see somebody go ahead and try that strategy for myself I would probably you know try to start villains uh go that route and then go ahead and start my mode you know after you know the Wolverine villain stack but we'll see what happens uh different different players will will probably try to play this game a little bit differently and that is a great start there by uh by Joe right on the first ball 8.9 million he's got a great opportunity to put a good score up on this now we've got Jim belsito and who will start us off let's see what he's going to do but I have a stinking suspicion he's going to apply the same strategy as as Joe did on his first ball he's got uh Rogue shot so he's got one more to start that and Dylan let's see if he goes Beast here yeah so a shot to the Beast so he's only got one more for the Beast and now he's actually got Rogue going so excellent so he's got ball one lit as well too so he's got Rogue going um let's see what he's gonna do here in order to yeah excellent so in the inlanes as well we'll go ahead and light his life his villainscope and that's really what he wants to do in here there he goes whoa some major sling action on this but he gets it back under control is he gonna start Beast no he tried for the B shot to try to get that running but unfortunately was unable to do it he's got the Ram one more for Iceman and now he does have that scoop lit it's got ball too locked already here very interesting his strategy might change here now that he's got two locks implied here he might be going over yep so he's got the scoob that's going to give him the mystery of Pops good save and now he does have a villain ready to go so he'd probably be shooting for that villain shot he might then shoot for either the lock shot on the right or to try to hit his Wolverine we'll see what he implies here he's got one Wolverine he needs only two more to start that so he now he goes villain he's probably going to pick Sentinels and now two shots to either Wolverine or he's going to take the one shot on the right up for the lock let's see what happens here I'm gonna take his Wolverine yep makes sense it's been the stack that most people have been putting in today and he does have that Lit now so now we've got a multiball he's got his Sentinel stacked with Wolverine multiball and now he's shooting red shots you can go ahead and finalize all those red shots then he'll have a super that will be ready for him so let's see if he can go ahead and nail all these in multiball huh there's one down there's another one down he's already at 6.6 million now he's lost one so sitting at a two ball multiball right now there is an addable that is on this game I'm not oh boy double drain on the multiball unfortunate um again not a bad start uh but I think definitely he'll be disappointed because he definitely had a great opportunity there within that multiball to be able to go ahead and get to that Target score of 15 million for those of you that don't know the target scores on this game uh it will be 12 to 14 9 for six Strokes nine to eleven nine for seven strokes uh six to eight point nine nine on eight Strokes uh three million to 5.99 on nine strokes and zero to 2.99 on 10 Strokes so that's gives you a little bit of an idea of how The Strokes work on this game yeah I'll try adding a scene with all the photos in it and I may break everything but we'll we'll see well last time I tried to use the preview editor of my machine crash I'm always scared when you start clicking on the on the machine because you just never know what's going to happen right and here we go we've got John Garrett that's on here and let's see what he's gonna do here looked like he would shoot for Magneto there right up the middle interesting strategy oh good save there excellent straight on the tip needs to get that ball under control and there he goes yep still hasn't really gotten anything going yet as far as his Heroes go oh no and down the right hand side it seems like this right hand side on this X-Men has been the way that players have been draining on this uh for the past previous fall so we'll have to watch out that for the rest of the rest of the balls here to see if that's you know a common issue in this game oh so the stream seems to be a little choppy for some people I don't know why that is but yeah I dropped a couple frames right there it looks like okay so that number increases it will be choppy okay bear with us you know we are uh we're definitely working uh try to improve it for you because typically the network and I'm on a hard wire right now so we'll we'll keep an eye on it and uh hopefully we can go ahead and uh you know get that uh situation fixed up for you a little bit again uh a multiball here he's going to have a very good opportunity going in achieving this now he's only 5 million away from the target score you know every red target he hits is a jackpot oh no again there's just been some um you know not as much execution on the multiballs and that's really cost and cost him a couple Strokes for both him and uh and Jim and in this round so you know like I say one of those things where again you know when you're in multiball or you know anything can happen unfortunately and again uh it's still he still had two strokes um at 11 million very achievable to get that in three so he's still in really good shape we got Jim bellacido um up on his second ball only about 4.4 million away from the target very nice skill shot 250k right there just for that and again into the scoop he's got a villain lit now which is absolutely what you need to do right now unless in order to get a few points again he's going to be probably shooting to get that villain oh because he does have a lock on the other side as well too so I think if he gets that villain and then goes ahead and gets that log shot he may have another multiball in store here I think he already had two locks so we'll see what happens here pretty sure that's what he's doing and into the villain excellent what is he going to pick and now he's got one more for Xavier but he's really wanting that lock shot that's he's going for that right orbit right now very controllable there very nice and there it is that was the shot he needed and then he's really going to have a great opportunity oh maybe now ball oh he only had three yeah he needs four for this multiball for God yes oh no is he sitting at here is it gonna be 13 14 where is he at no about 11 11 7. so again he's got the multiball ready to go um unfortunately you know he probably won't have a stack with a villain on it but you know I still think he'll probably go for that multiball and hopefully achieve that on his third ball what do we got here I think we have is it Josh that's supposed to be next year I think so there he is had a tough first ball let's see if he can come back from that uh I've been around Carl for quite a while now and I don't think there isn't anything that he can't do Carl's amazing he is uh one of the most talented people that I know on this Earth uh and to boot he is the nicest guy you'll ever meet so I love Carl I think he's a great guy he's a huge asset to the pinball community and we're damn lucky that we have him around so again any if you ever see Carl at a show if you ever see him around make sure you go to him and say thank you very much for all that you do for the pinball Community because without Carl we wouldn't have a lot of this stuff so I appreciate that you're too nice Derek thanks okay so we unfortunately uh Josh had a quick ball there and he's only at 1.3 million so he's got quite a lot of work to do you know for Mr Sharp he's uh you know that's that's still got a lot uh he doesn't have a lot going on his ball so it'd be interesting to see what strategy he plays on ball three Yeah Carl tilted my game once while I was playing what did I do that is funny I don't believe that oh it's just lazy I see yeah he's uh I don't believe that for a minute [Laughter] we have uh John Garnett here oh no in a quick train again you know this X-Men's playing pretty tough how did you find it Carl like was it playing I didn't have any troubles no no I got a two on it but you don't have a lot of troubles playing a lot I have a lot of trouble playing probably not the right authority to probably talk about you know these type of games in that way [Laughter] I have plenty of problems okay so we got Joe lemare here very close you know he's only sitting about four million but again you know it's about starting stuff on this game and you know you still got to hit shots in order to get to where you need to you know when you're in jail you're in jail you know and you just need to get your way out of it and it's about shooting shots and getting uh you know what you need looks like Magneto so he's got three shots to Magneto like this is this is a grind you know trying to get this in here but you know if you're accurate and you can hit that shot then why not see if he's got it here oh yeah it's pretty tight in there and now it looks like he has a villain lid so you know he's rocking and rolling see if he gets in that scoop no no freebie oh nice save oh geez so I think he I think he had his Brotherhood ready to go there so if he would have hit that scoop he would have been able to go ahead and do that oh excellent so and where is that oh perfect over there excellent yes I don't know why it's stalling okay and then back awesome thank you very much Carl so Carl has hooked me up now with all of the golf targets uh that are on here so we're starting to get going here you know it was a slow morning um you know essentially we've got uh you know we've got people that were here till two o'clock in the morning you know running the stream so you know we're getting ourselves going here and and trying to get things up and running for you guys but hopefully it's you know been a good quality stream so far and you guys are having a good time with it we've got Jim belsito that is here um and he is on his ball three and he has got himself now into that multiball so he did hit that shot immediately figured he would um and because he's only got about another half a million in order to achieve the target of 15 million and I think he's pretty well guarded here um and he does so again great job by Jim um he's he's doing it it did a heck of a job there in order to get himself into that multiball and now achieve that Target so that will give him a score of three um which is excellent that's another minus one onto a score we'll give him a minus three for the round so far so again you know if you're getting minus one on every single hole um that's going to get you to minus nine for the day and that's gonna be a very very solid solid score um you know when you put together your card at the end of both rounds again you are here at the 2019 ifpa pin Masters Championship um on the stream today is Derek Thompson um the crazy Canuck and uh unfortunately uh you got me this morning there was no other commentators that were here I'm playing in the afternoon session uh I got a ride here from Will McKinney so that's why I'm I'm here today um in the morning so I was the only one available so you're stuck with me hopefully it's good hopefully you're having a lot of fun watching this and uh you know let's uh let's definitely see what Josh is going to do here on his next level I'm really interested to see if he can pull it off here because he is quite a fart he's about 14 million away right now he's gonna have to really hit some shots in order for him to to get that Target in here it is a wolverine ready to go I don't know if you'll take Wolverine right now I think he's going to try to get a bill Inlet first before he does that so he'd be shooting other shots in the play field to get that you know to get that Lit so he does have Rogue that's now running um that's a good thing and again he's got another lock lit here let's see what he's going to take he's got Cyclops and Rogue running at the same time so and he does take this Wolverine shot now so we are looking at multiball um not a huge stack going on here but you know what better to take a better to take something than nothing I think is what he was what his strategy was so he did something you know he got some points there on the multiball he's got his Ville Inlet now too as well too so that will definitely help him he's got his lock shot ready to go oh too dangerous so he's not going to be able to nudge the machine anymore and very nice shot into the villain some group play there he's got Brotherhood available as well too as a multiball so we'll see if he picks that and here he goes very nice play in order to get Brotherhood multiball you have to hit those targets that are on the right hand side and then I believe Hellfire is on the other side so hit those a number of times I forget what it is for you know three clears and four clears of those targets and then you'll be able to go ahead and Achieve that the multiball that Josh is in right now great play here keeping these balls alive remember he's on two dangers so he's not going to be moving the machine a whole lot in here um he's just going to be trying to keep these balls alive and hitting red targets that's pretty well what he what he's going to be doing here especially when you have a ball save you tend to flail a little bit and just you know try to hit as many targets as you can within that ball save time uh we are on ball three in this group or sorry whole three in this group right now um for those that are just started watching the Stream and so Josh again he's sitting here at almost 12 million he's very very close to the Target score right now but he's out of multiball so it's got a little bit of work to do here be really interesting to see the shots that are employed here to get himself the last three million he's got a lock that's available to him on the right orbit so we'll see if he's going to go ahead and try for that or if he's going to go for the Magneto and try to get the Magneto multiball going up the middle again keeping that ball alive and he's got a mystery award he's got bonus hold that's actually a very very good especially right now when he's so close to the Target that bonus hold is going to be very valuable for him if he ends up draining before the target score so we'll see how that works out for him we have oh no a half ramp and down the middle does he have enough with the hold bonus that is the key yeah I think he does I think he's got it oh my God the pain the horror 14.4 oh my God yeah that's yeah see the bonus hold will only help him on the next ball because he because it's on a five ball game so that's that's the troubles that he had the two million hold so all he has to do is walk up to the machine and drain it on his next ball because he has the bonus hole but unfortunately it only gonna work for him on the next ball um so yeah he'll be disappointed with that being so close to the Target score but again you know he's he's definitely going to get it you know within five balls um you know so at least he's got it there or within four balls sorry so hellfire club is started so yeah I would be tempted to go ahead and go into the scoop and start my multiball oh thank you very much Scott yeah you're probably right is that it does not hold the bonus X you are right so he may not have it but with only being 500k away he's probably pretty darn close he's got it in multiball now very close to his Target score as well too so again he'll be seeing some flailing here and trying to hit red targets and getting his jackpots he's got Wolverine that he looks like he's focusing on right now as well got in the L one pose and he's got his mystery award and he's got the animal excellent very nice play here and again more flailing that's going to go on here yeah just keep shooting keep shooting jackpots while you can while you got your ball safe ball safe is gone now and now you see a little bit more controlled play again he's sitting at 14.1 so he's very very close to the Target score right now he might check to see what his bonus is right now see if he goes in the instant info so this is another good tip for you players out there if you have a Target score that you're trying to achieve you might want to take a look at the bonus and see where you're at because you don't want to be tilting the machine at this point right now if you've got the bonus score that you need in order to to achieve the score you never know what will happen one shot and you can drain you try to save it you end up losing your ball and then you don't hit your target let's see if he's got it oh he's got it excellent 1.1 that should achieve his Target at 15 million and he has a four so he was even Strokes on that uh hole so again that's the importance of having multiball that's the importance of going ahead and you know making the shots so you keep on achieving your bonuses your bonuses will add up and even if you haven't made the target score you've got that opportunity to go ahead and achieve it through your bonus and again I'm not super familiar with X-Men I learned a little bit of it this last weekend in Texas pinball Festival so as far as the the the times go and as far as that type of stuff goes on this game I'm not entirely sure on how all that works um I'm more of uh I see a flashing shot I shoot it on this game um kind of guy but there are you know certain strategies such as you know trying to stack in your villains stacking your multiballs together with it etc etc that will get you to that 15 million mark oh yeah we bought Josh Sharpe he's very very close here to the Target score again he does have the hold bonus as well so that's going to help him as well with only 300K there I can see him you know getting getting the achievement on on this ball here I think it's just don't tilt you know and now he's got it 15 million he's achieved it on his fourth uh ball and he'll get an even uh stroke for that for that hole so again after three holes he's sitting at even and again you know it's uh it's all about trying to you know maximize every single uh stroke that you have on this so again an even stroke is not bad but you definitely want to get into the minuses for sure if you're looking at you know getting into the playoff rounds because I the way it seems that these games are playing they're playing quite fair and I think that you're going to see you know people you know having to have a minus a minus score in order to be able to go ahead and you know make that Playoff round uh on Sunday we have John Garrett and oh Garnett sorry uh he unfortunately drained on that right side and that right right side has been Just Deadly on this game um that's where we've seen the majority of the drains unfortunately and again he is quite far away from his Target score right now sitting at 1.5 million so he's in real danger here of losing a ton of Strokes if he doesn't have a solid ball um so when you're looking at this like he needs about you know three million you know just to get out of the 10 bracket uh on this game and even then you need to get up to 6 million to get out get out of the nine need nine million to get out of the eight you need 12 million you get into seven and all the way up to you know the 15 million if you don't want to get six through that so it's going to be really interesting here just you know how he does here on this last ball because this could really really damage uh his score here if he isn't able to achieve the target and here we go 2.1 million so he's the first thing is you just want to achieve that first Target you know like let's let's let's start with small goals here and let's get that 2.5 million and you know get that going and and then you can work your way up from there and gain a little bit more confidence when you're you know when when you're playing oh that's a very nice save wow oh no does he have the bonus to at least get an extra stroke out of this did you get to choose 2.49 oh no I don't think that I think he got a 10. let's take a look yeah he needed the 2.9 Million on that hole unfortunately so he's going to take a 10 on that um I that'd be nice for the viewers yeah absolutely the most so unfortunately John took a 10 on that which means that he gets actually a plus five score uh attached to him actually plus six score attached to him on that um so that's really really set you back unfortunately in this format and that's what makes this format so fun is that you know you you still have to achieve a score on some pin golf events that I have played in if you don't reach the goal it's a it's just a six and it doesn't matter what your score ends up being at the end of the day in this format the score matters and if you don't achieve it you can really really um you know get a high a high score on on that on that machine and and it really does it it definitely hurts uh your chances uh of moving on into the playoff rounds because if you have you know one or two or three of those in a round it's hard to come back from because you can only gain so many strokes on the front end so if you get a hole in one that's great you're gonna get a minus three uh for that um but if you don't and you go ahead and you get a um a 10. that could be you know a plus six under your score so there's a lot of really interesting nuances when it comes to this format yeah it does work like golf is that you definitely don't want the positive numbers the positive numbers are bad and the negative numbers are really good so if you know nothing about golf at all or you don't know the type of format that we're going here just know that if you're in the negative you're doing really really well if you're in the positive you're doing you're not doing so well so we got Jim belsito here who is on attack for Mars attack from Mars probably one of my favorite games um there are a couple oh boy there are a couple strategies on this game and he is a practice session I believe right now so that's why he did see the Tilt just wants to test it out there are definitely a couple strategies on this game um from what I've been told because this is on Fireball the locks have been set to hard um so you know there there are a couple multi balls on this game um one is you know to shoot this target that's right in here um you hit that three times and then you're gonna be able to go ahead and achieve a multiball or you can go for what is called Total Nuclear Annihilation where you're going and hitting all of these shots that are in here as well too if you hit those shots three times then you're going to be able to go ahead and achieve a Total Nuclear Annihilation so um you know those are the two main strategies there's also one last strategy that you have here which is to try to go ahead and hit your shifts so you know you can also do that as well too again it's I've seen a few people do that strategy um it's definitely a little bit more dangerous but you know very achievable as well on this game oh so just hit Escape awesome so we have a we have John here um doing a little bit more of a practice section that's on here um this game is the same AFM that was in here yesterday but it was on a three ball so on a three ball the locks were just set to normal so I guess when you go ahead and you put it to a five ball it ends up going automatically to uh hard uh locks on it and already because this is a remake I find that the shot is just a little bit more tighter on that lock shot that's there so it's gonna be really interesting to see it's going to force people to play maybe a little bit differently you go for ships do you go for anal Total Nuclear Annihilation yeah you know like I would go for total energy because I like it and I think it's more fun and I like shooting different shots in the Playfield and getting a feel for the game but I know a lot of people just like going for locks so it really is going to be really interesting the way this is now set up what kind of strategy someone's going to employ yeah I like it I I like the variation I like when there's risk reward I like when there's different shots and you know and people will play the machine different ways yeah those are my favorite games to play not to mention it's more fun to watch it on the stream too and you know instead of the same strategy being employed you know by all four players um you'll see a little bit of a different mix of strategy so again just some final things that they're doing you know for practice and again you know you're just trying to feel out the machine you're not necessarily you know taking every single shot that you necessarily do on the game you're just you know maybe doing some post passing maybe dead passing to see you know how the uh how the how The Flipper rubber is on this game so that you know you can use that knowledge to go ahead and further your game when you actually play for real the practice time is very very important especially if you've never played the machine I've been here since Wednesday and I I got what an hour practice session that I was here that with 80 people that were here and I didn't even get a chance to play on attack for Mars in the practice so you know these 30 seconds that you get so on here a very very important time and and you need to use them well to get enough information that you need in order to to really understand how the bounces work on the game uh I believe is a top 24 there's a top 16. 16. it's 16. top 16 yeah so it's tight I tell you it's not going to be easy no no yeah so yeah only top 16 will make it what is it 72 is that 72 players yeah two players yeah so you know one at every four you know we're gonna make it so um not gonna be easy Um Papa group finals well it is but it's in I think it's in uh pin golf it's pin golf scoring right yes yes so same targets as this yeah same so it's like group match play but in pinberg or in pin golf uh scoring format right which brings a whole new element in the playoff it's it's quite interesting in the playoffs yeah the problem is if you get a 10 in those finals you are you're most likely done yeah yeah so One gaming you could be out especially if you know then someone picks a safer game say like Abracadabra where most people are gonna get a four or five yep you're you know and it's interesting the strategy that you employ in the Playoff round as well too because if you're ahead in the bracket and you feel pretty good maybe on game three you go to Abracadabra right exactly you know that there isn't as much variance that's in there right exactly so I do like that and and it's it's it's quite strategic how you'll see the game chosen on the Sunday there by certain players all depending on where they stand so we're almost ready to get going here Jim belsito is going to be stepping up uh to AFM again one of my favorite games in the world it could be my favorite pinball game this is just a brilliant brilliant design love the code love the strategy on this game beautiful looking oh thank you very much well I appreciate all the great comments um first time on the mic here uh you know I didn't go on the mic is so I guess I'm fresh and you know ready to go ahead and do this I'm not jaded after the 14 hours of that that was recording yesterday yeah that was great I was you know what I've seen you guys had some seats open whatever and I was going nowhere near it because it was yeah it's like uh in endurance and going through that I tell you oh yeah so Jim doesn't employ the super skill shot he decides to go ahead and take the normal skill shot to up top and it looks like he's going for um total on inhalation here just because just the way that he's shooting um which is a great strategy probably one that I would employ as well too on here another great strategy is is to go ahead and only take two on each of them and to try to get your billion yeah on this um oh what are we looking at for Target score on this game you are looking for 1.5 billion 1.5 billion which seems like a ton on this game but honestly um you know if you get one of those multiballs going you're going to get pretty close to that within that multiball yeah it's just getting to that multiple it is it's a grind trying to get there it's a lot of shots you know in order to get there especially now with the locks on hard so we do have Joe Lemaire here he'll be going for annihilation I think so too like just the way he's shooting right so he's got a good start here he's got uh you know two down on the left side um now he's going to be focusing on the right ramp and again he's purposely not taking so he's purposely gonna stay away from the left side now I think you know he oh so he decided to take it well he's got the left orbit now that he can rejuvenate hurry up with so he's got one on that side now too yeah it's all about timing right and you know I like to get probably two on most of them so that at least it's only one shot instead of two oh oh no yeah this game does have a fairly good bonus too on it but uh you know for the amount of points that you're going to get if you save it you know I don't know yeah I think I would have done the same yeah I would have I would have so how do you enable locks you shoot the here can you highlight the lock ramp yeah right here is that the one you want that's it so you shoot that and the lights will lock and then you shoot it again lights the second lock well after you get the so it's six shots to get into the standard multiple yeah I just don't think that you'll see a lot of people shooting it because it's unlocked so hard to hit it from the The Flipper you have to it's so early on this side yeah again I didn't get any practice at all on that so I think I'll I'll take one or two pot shots at it like Josh just did yeah oh my God yeah this is the mean attack for Mars it seems to be very very tough um yes yeah it's hard when you don't see the uh the scores like the target scores that are on there but just know that in this format you need to achieve a Target that Target is 1.5 million and as soon as you hit that Target score of 1.5 million all depending on the number of balls that you have left that's the score that you get if you have more than if you didn't reach the target within the five balls then essentially it goes down from there all depending on the scoring and you could achieve a score of a six a seven an eight a nine or a ten all depending on what your final score is so the format is a little bit confusing but it is very very fun I think they're also confused that the just the terminology on the on the player profile so is there a better way that I could show that instead of seeing Zero Strokes I should say score minus three scores plus eight even even that's what we do on golf see that's one yeah that's what I'm looking for okay yes so let me see if I can I can get that fixed in just a bit and this should be not eight but it should be three plus eight exactly exactly so you have a golfer sitting beside you here man I'm not a golfer so yeah and I threw this together so three under par plus eight so I should go plus eight over par or just plus eight uh I would go I would go minus eight but I wouldn't put Strokes well no I'm not I'm gonna change that so yeah my minus three minus three under pressure par and plus eight over par and I think that will be a little bit more okay give me a couple minutes I'll I'll get that changed excellent and zero would be even zero is even yes and in golf terms that that's you know all right let's how many golfers that we have on the stream I don't know but if you wanna do the golf lingo that's exactly what you're looking for so we have Jim belsito here on his second part oh that that was a fumble and you don't see a fumble very often from that man um very tough oh the holes played would be really nice too but I don't know if you can yeah that's where I'm having I I'm not gonna be able to get that in here I know I know I really wanted that too exactly when I saw this so they are on their fourth hole I believe so yeah yeah you just have to you have to keep track of it it's the great yeah sorry more work for you and you know how well I keep track of stuff right so [Laughter] again he's almost to Total Nuclear Annihilation here he's uh oh no oh my oh my yes this game is playing tough I the more and more that I see it here uh you definitely need to make your shots if you don't make your shots you're gonna get punished and here we go with Josh Sharpe on his second ball so again uh it looks like the the strategy has been Total Nuclear Annihilation makes a lot of sense probably the safest route to go on this game but again it's a lot of shots man it's a lot of shots and and Josh missed one and he drained oh put out the holes played instead of the favorite game I uh oh I don't think I can get it done that's why I'm saying that but you see there's lots of limitations when you're looking through this stuff all great suggestions um and I ask this all the time with Carl hey Carl can you do this and do this anytime I hear a pause from Carl I know that I'm in trouble right because he's like it can be done but it's uh it should be it shouldn't be negative three under part should just be three under part right three under yeah I shouldn't show the negative or the positive uh well no I should show the negative even if I'm saying under par or over par it's still negative okay I think the minus three it just it'll help the viewers a little bit okay yes and normal golf you would see the the minus three underneath there all right yes like normally you wouldn't see anything it would just say minus three but for the viewers I think we we need to give them that because a lot of them don't know the golf terminology again he is employing a different strategy on here which is going for ships so it's great to see a person play this a little differently he's already at 1.2 billion so this is a good strategy as well too um I'm thinking man like you could super skill hit the middle get it open and you be you know if as soon as you get that one or two ships you could be getting close right into there as well too with how dangerous everything else is on here with the Total Nuclear Annihilation with the lock shots that may be a formal strategy as well too on this game and I think it probably an overlooked strategy that a lot of people probably aren't even thinking about doing you might be right there uh we have Jim belsito here we are looking here at ball three I believe ball three sitting at only about 292 right now so he's got lots of work to do um he's about halfway through uh the Total Nuclear Annihilation he doesn't have any of the lanes ready to go yet which is a good thing um so we'll see here he's probably going to be hitting that left ramp oh just missed it pretty safe though on the return on that so don't get punished too often he's got both the orbits ready to go now it's just a matter of whether or not if he wants to collect them or not and in this game you know you want to be strategic as well too because when as soon as you light that it now lights a hurry up for a hundred million but then if you light another one after that then it goes to 300 million and light another one 500 and then a billion so if you can actually manage to stack them all together you can really really achieve your Target in a hurry and not even have to go through the multiball in Total Nuclear Annihilation with this target score again he's got almost a perfect stack going on here he needs oh no he needs one more shot to the left ramp and then he would be able to just start them all yeah I agree attack from Mars is a phenomenal game again one of my favorite games I owned one at home as well too um it's just a fantastic game well balanced um you know it's if you can ever get one in your collection I would love it yeah I love the pin golf you know I don't like doing it in every tournament but it's definitely one that I I enjoy going to I've been to this tournament now I think this is the third time that I've been to it well run um and just the format is you know is a lot of fun to play because you don't get to play it a lot but you really have to you know understand the target scores and you know if you're running one of these on location or whatever you know you really have to understand where your target score should be to make it a lot of fun for everybody to play and now we've got Total Nuclear Annihilation you know and this should be pretty well you know the target score here when he does this he's getting you know fifty thousand fifty five thousand they increase by five uh sorry 50 million 55 million so he's getting uh 5 million for every shot that he makes on top of what the previous bonus was for it so again you know he's he's looking good here he's sitting at 8 10. he's more than halfway to the Target he's only got two calls now but every shot that's lit right now is worth a ton of points so as Jack danger would say go get your money and here we go we've got he's out of Total Nuclear Annihilation now sitting at about 893 and drain down the left hand side yikes yep he's gonna be a little disappointed with that I think I think that you know that uh he got well he got about three or four jackpots on there but um you know you get the Total Nuclear Annihilation on this here I I think you're really hoping that you know you achieve that Target store when you do that and here we go we've got Josh Sharpe uh who's next he does have both of the left-hand side Lanes fully lit so he's going to be going to the right side now and trying to work on that before he collects oh no wow I thought that was I thought it was going to be saved and uh is there a magnet on AFM at all holy cow that was uh yeah that was tough here we go with uh John Garnett he's very close to the Target and he's just been hitting ships all day long but again the ships is is not safe it is it is definitely um you know you need to hit that ship properly in there to get it back onto the flippers it's a ton of points when you go in there every single hit but I'm holding my breath every single time that I shoot that shot because I don't know if I'm getting it back Jim belsito on the fourth ball right now so you know if you're thinking golf terms right now I'm getting my par so I'm just I'm just trying to get my I'm trying to get on off of this hole take my par go to the next one um because you know if I don't then I could be pushing a big pretty big score here so let's see if Jim can go ahead and get this Total Nuclear Annihilation Oh that's oh geez you know what is a nice shove um you know I think the second one was the one that probably did it to him unfortunately and and got the tilt so we're getting into the land of five ball and and when you get into the land of five ball now it becomes six seven eight nine ten ball in this game so we're hoping uh like I say that that you get the achievement done in the first five because if not the players will really be sweating bullets uh trying to go ahead and you know get their target uh as close as they can to that 1.5 billion you notice no one ever says Derek Thompson is my favorite player now why does Jim belsito get all the love I know he's a former pinberg world champion well decorated nicest guy in the world you know but no one ever says you know Derek Thompson's my favorite player no one ever aspires to be you know the crazy cannot wow [Laughter] I think I tickled Carl D'Python Anghelo with that one oh excellent so the scoring is now updated on there hopefully that's a little clearer for everybody that's out there um you know it's uh we're sitting at eight over par right now for John Garnett Josh Sharpe has had an even score and Jim belsito and Joe lemare sitting at a minus three so oh again Josh wow this game is punishing right now it is unbelievable how punishing this game is right now so ball for only a billion away what do you do only a million away what would you do if you're only a million away on this game you know I'd be tempted to just go ahead and clear out that left hand ramp because now that's gonna start my hurry up and now I just go ahead and take my hurry up but we'll see what uh we'll see we'll we'll see the strategy that it's going to go on here for him I think he was trying for that left ramp oh no oh he tilted he didn't need it oh he could have had it on bonus I think oh no yeah that was a stroke that was a stroke lost unfortunately there yeah I don't think he needed to shove there because I think he would have had it on bonus uh there are nine pinball machines that will be played today um there are I think 14 or 15 that are here on location there was 14 or 15 that were used for Nationals last year so you know it's definitely a smaller location but all the machines are in pretty good shape I think only one died that was stars during the event all the rest of them I think held up very good all day so yeah it's it's been a great facility a great time here in Las Vegas thank you all your Las Vegas um you know people have been very very kind to me um had a lot of fun here so far Jim belsito is up next and he really has Annihilation ready to go here um you know he just has to go ahead and get these things started and now he's got annihilation and hit the flashing shots that's really all you need to do on this game he's got four shots available to him every shot that he gets is going to be 50 plus you know 5 million for every shot that he makes that are on here so he's sitting at 50 million right now his next shot will be 55 million in the next shot after that will be 60 million and you just keep on going on and on and you keep on shooting for those five jackpot lights that are there there was a 60 million award he has a 65 million Award right now as you can see you know he's getting very close to the Target scores now he's sitting at 1.4 billion and it looks like as long as he doesn't tilt the ball he is going to achieve his Target at five and I think he's got it now and he has made it so Jim belsito takes a five on that hole um that will bring him down to minus two uh overall and uh yeah that's still a good showing I think this game is going to be playing pretty tough I think the 1.5 billion is a very aggressive uh Target that's on here but again achievable as long as you know you're hitting your your Total Nuclear Annihilation multiballs or you're sinking your um or you're going ahead and shooting your uh your ships are going ahead and taking your multiball through the uh to the tight scoop area there we have Joe Lemire uh that's on Deck here and again he's changing up his strategy to the ship strategy which is you know this is what you do sometimes is that if Annihilation is has been taken what is the next thing well it's another what 10 shots to Annihilation maybe I take ships now and change the strategy because I'm a little far away unfortunately he did not make his Target score it's sitting at 1.369 let's see what that is 1.369 is come on come up for me there's a little delay on my scoring thing here 1.36 1.3 you're looking at a six so Joe got a six on that uh on that we've got uh Josh Sharpe uh that's with us now and he really needs to get something going here or else he's going to be taking a very very high number uh on this machine he's sitting at 312 right now I believe he's got a score of nine right now so he really needs to get a multiball going here if he doesn't it this could be huge trouble for him oh no halfway oh no yep he knew it too he knew it as soon as it was coming back that he was in huge trouble 344 000 I think that's a nine I really do let's take a look here let's see what that would be and that is going to put him at a plus five position after that nine very very rough and of course um John Garrett was able to go ahead and get the 1.57 so again he got it in the five um uh a plus one on that hole um and yeah now all the scores are updated look how man you're like quick on that just drive does it happen like automatically or do you have to do that wow Carl D'Python Anghelo's he's he's like a robot he just comes in here he's like a machine oh my God yeah look at that why are you showing that ugly guy come on so they know who you're talking with oh my God I love that I'm not having to move the rig Joe's taking over the you know doing it it's fantastic isn't that nice when you get some help it is you know again the famous Carl D'Python Anghelo here if you don't know him if you haven't seen him um yeah just hell of a guy nice shirts too every single time I see you got a different cool looking shirt where do you get all these where do you get all this stuff from almost I wore mostly pinball shirts but this one's not yeah yeah I like those DTM ones you have yeah yeah let me give you one yeah I don't have one here I should have brought some yeah those are awesome I always wear my critical hit love that shirt yeah that yeah that one turned out great I get so many compliments on that shirt like yeah and it's like d d people will come to oh where did you get that what's a pinball shirt oh no that's on there that was um and let me go help Joe with the score cam here um that was a uh Jay Collins design he's done the Indus Indus logo and various logos he made the portal pinball logo he's done just a phenomenal job for us oh awesome yeah I think the highest rank is as high as you've been um you know within the ifpa so um that's why it shows up on there these are just little transitions uh that I think Carl gets from the IEP website so he's done a lot of work in the background a lot of programming in the background uh to be able to go ahead and provide us with you know some extra things that are on there I think you get a survey at the start of this and you're allowed to pick your favorite game and all that stuff um and that's what gives us all this information that you can see on here with the certain players so we are now playing one of my favorite games Abracadabra so I love Em's I always loved EMS I think they should be in every tournament that's in there and this game especially is is a really fun game now it is not like team one if you were watching the stream last weekend uh where you have the wow but you do have um a great opportunity here when it comes to it it works just like it you've got the four lanes that are there um one two three and four and what those do is those those go ahead and they increase uh your bonus value that are in there and every time you see a lit Target that's here or let Target that's here you will go ahead and score that amount that's on the bonus value so what you'll find is people will try to build up this bonus value as much as they can so that those drop targets are now worth a ton of value the other thing that people don't know that is actually really really valuable on this game is the pop bumpers is there a thousand a pop on this pop bumpers and when those are lit those are actually very very valuable to go ahead and hit now you don't want to be hitting them directly but if you can you know get it nudged in into a corner where you start hitting a whole bunch of a thousand uh um pop bumpers then by all means that is a great way to go ahead and score on this game as well too so again just a phenomenal game I love the EMS where you need to have dead accurate target um accuracy I just think it just adds a whole bunch of value to the game and uh you know you got to be a good shooter you know to do well in this game and I just love those type of games oh my God I'm sitting beside a pinburg world champion the Colin McKelvey what are you doing Colin MacAlpine Colin MacAlpine yeah that's right yeah look what the Cat Dragged In it's you know it's it's the Canadian in me it's the Canadian yeah it's crazy the crazy Canadians I've got a I got a terrible accent there's all sorts of stuff that goes on oh how are you doing I'm I just put a hole in one on Star Trek so oh my no surprise yeah well I needed it I didn't play well in the first two so okay so how are you doing overall uh well I got a six five I've got uh 11 31 I have fourteen through four holes 14 to four holes so so four so you're oh What minus two yeah yeah that's good yeah e-golfer uh very poor well you're a damn good pin golfer I can tell you that um so who's in this group here yeah we've got a great group here that we've been following along here we've got Josh Sharpe we've got John Garnett we've got Jim belsito and we've got Joe lemare all right it's been a heck heck of a round here we've had some we've had some UPS we've had some Downs it's been uh you know the attack from Mars have you played that yet I played it yesterday oh it's going to be a lot different when you play it today oh really oh yeah what do they change yeah so they've got uh it's on hard locks today so I guess so I guess when you move it to a five ball it now oh now changes the scratches six shots to get your multiball it changes the strategy quite a bit yeah yes yes yes now I wonder if I should yeah go for Total Nuclear Annihilation instead here we go there's here's where the decision comes right so I you know I and I've seen it all today I've seen uh the strategy of the Total Nuclear Annihilation I've seen the strategy with uh with the ships I've seen the strategy with trying to get the lock so yeah so which one which one worked you know what none in that last round they all took a that big number right so yeah it'll be real interesting to see what happens so we do have Jim on here and he is now actually playing the game which is out which is great um like I was telling the viewers love EMS this is you know one of my favorites um just because I love the strategy that's involved in here I love the target shooting that's involved on this game yeah um and again right now there's a great start here that Jim has he's got already his 2000 bonus value lit which is awesome uh for being what is he on ball one right now ball two thumb ball too excellent he's got a great start here again nothing really going here on the on the Target so I think he'll either try to clear the targets or he'll try to go ahead and get the one in four targets all depending on are the one in four lanes that needs one more drop it looks like on the left to clear the to clear the ball the last of the targets okay excellent so you went for the middle oh maybe it's already down oh he's trying to reset in the middle maybe is that what he's trying to do so when you do hit the middle when they're all cleared you hit the middle in order to reset the targets right correct not nearly as satisfying as the uh the Double wow yes from Team One I know I did the well you know for for a few people out there um you know and I think the secret is now out on on team one uh but he just he just he does Carter to two so that was a really really nice two balls of abracadabra yeah and that too is not gonna I don't think that's gonna be easy to achieve I think you know three or four is probably it's gonna be in the range and me and Carl were talking about this before is that you know sometimes with Dems or the lower scoring machines there's less variants that's on the games and especially on the scoring so you're probably going to see scores anywhere between you know the three to six and you now won't necessarily see the ones that yeah that's true yeah and this is where your strategy also involves in playoffs as well too because if you know that that variance is there you may choose to pick that game if you're way ahead in the in the match correct in fact I did I did just that last year on my third game I went to Royal Guard yes because I knew that you know I could get an easily get you know somewhere between a three and a five didn't have to risk and no one else was going to be able to do that yes yep it's it's another great um it's another great strategic you know about this format is that you know you just play things a little differently than what you do in a regular match play format or in a qualifying session or in a papa um match play scenario so we've got Joe here uh he is on his first ball still and he's doing pretty well here this uh it looks like he's moving a whole lot I think this is practice is it practice I mean that's he's unless that of the camera is going through an earthquake yeah he he uh intentionally oh yes because practice happens after every player on on your em so what you'll find this is a little different than what you'll find on the regular machines where you have a normal four player is that the player will get their practice and then they will play and then the next player will get their patches and then play instead of getting the practice up front correct yes all right so we got I see some people in the chat that were up late with us last night so welcome back and uh welcome back to seeing some uh some good em action here on this uh pin golf format oh that's unfortunate that's a tough term so he wants his practice back that's see that's the downside of practice is that you sometimes you you waste all your good shots so your good bounces during practice and uh hopefully that doesn't invite him here hopefully Joe can recover and have a good ball too here yeah it can definitely be frustrating he needs the two and the nice little nudge there to get that out of the out lane he needs the two and the four this game is leaning heavily to the right unfortunately oh take this nice take it when you can get it and yes tazmo 72 definitely go boilers I was very pleased to see Purdue pull out the victory against Tennessee to advance to the elite eight for the first time in a long time so I thought the game was leaning but then I wasn't sure because my head was kind of turned a little bit so I wasn't sure if that was the case now but it is really leaning oh yeah okay yeah and if you anytime you come down through this one lane up top it has a tendency to just lean all the way straight down the middle yeah so if it goes through that one lane you want to start to shimmy it so that way it doesn't take that path it's kind of like bowling where you gotta hit the Escape yes kind of like bowling where you gotta you know manage your your spin on the ball because it's gonna go oh here we go he's got one lane there he's looking for the two here if you can get that too and of some nice nudging to get that right into there so now he's got his bonus value lit it too you know it's starting to get up there want to get it to about three or four then start really nailing drop targets oh and they're that lean got him and it bit him it did the lean grabbed the ball and said nope you're coming back towards the center and straight down the middle oh look out look out look out oh oh my God look at that thing I told you man oh my God you do not want to hit the one on this on the plunge I tell you that is not safe so he needs to get a couple more thousand to get himself a six and the best he can do is a five yes so again this is where you're sweating a little bullets in this format because you really want to get those Strokes down if you can at any way possible it does not have the lit drop on the left so let's see what he does he just what if he's gonna try to clear them and try to uh he's got nothing there on the other side either oh oh good save good nudge he may regret that if he goes down the middle though that would have given him 2 000 points but now okay now he's fine now he's above he's got a six he needs a few more thousand to get a five you know he lit pop bumpers are not a bad strategy here either if you're that close too right you know you can get him in those little nests yeah it's like very underrated strategy right he's got the one lid on the left side is he going to try to chat no oh oh nice okay now he actually wants to go down in that lane yeah we'll get it just like high hand you'll get the two right if he does that there we go and he's gone he's got it nice all right I think my group is moving on so I'm gonna say goodbye and get back to playing pinball thanks again Colin I want to thank Colin for uh come in he's in the middle of playing you know that's nice thing about uh when I come into all these tournaments and stuff like that people are so gracious with their time um you know even if they're in the middle of playing games and in a session they'll come back and you know they'll do a little commentating and stuff like that so and Colin was on the stream for quite a while uh last night as well too so really appreciate it you know I think it adds a lot of value having the different players come in and having their perspectives when it comes to doing the announcing and hopefully you guys are having a good time on the stream today for anybody who's new out there we are at the ifba 2019 pin Masters the event is held in Las Vegas at clippersfield I am your announcer here this morning Derek Thompson the crazy Canadian that is here today you know trying to fill in the best that I can for when the real good announcers will be showing up here probably later on this afternoon so we've got here um Joe or we got John Garnett who is up next on Abracadabra and let's see if he can survive uh this em and he did hit that Target there for a thousand again uh you want to hit those one two three four lanes and that will increase that value on the lit drop Target and That's essential oh there's another nice one for a thousand oh another night he's just been sniping those things it's like a sniper holy cow and now he's got the pop bumpers going he's already over almost at 10 000 right now uh and only at a 1 000 level so that shows how many uh drop targets uh he has hit on the lit Target some excellent shooting here oh he's practicing oh my God that was practice oh my God I wish I could practice like that he was like nailing those drop targets like a madman okay now the real thing oh did he tilt it oh jeez yeah it doesn't start until yeah oh he had a ball in the truck it's like prices he was like what the yeah it's still ball one there too yeah yeah you just had a ball in the trough and he started the game and was like I got no power in the flippers yeah yeah all right three Target is down oh it's a nice pop bumper action there for a couple thousand again very underrated on this game I find the problems are huge they're huge especially if you can get stuck in the uh you know The Well of the pop-up you betcha yeah a lot of people try to focus on the drop targets but I tell you those pop bumpers very underrated for the scoring so what you would shoot you would uh try and shoot there and well it's kind of an angle you know what you could do a half flip into there I think and be pretty safe you know especially if you're near your target goal I I'd be tempted especially if I'm in jail up top I'd be you know all right I would try that I may not be successful but I would try it not the one not the one yeah the one is deadly oh it survives it though it is just leaning like holy cow well it's not the game isn't leaning so the game is leveled but it's just that the playfield's a little warped is that what that must be or there's a spin on the ball when it comes to the one interesting we'll get John here on ball too he's in really good shape right now he's sitting at 19. huh doesn't have a lot on the bonus value but you know at a Target score of only 30 you know I think he's been doing pretty good for now oh yeah and he's got the Paw pumper action there gives him up to 22. again he's getting very very close this is where you start going yeah I got all in one territory here I'm gonna you know I've got a really good game going and now he's at 25. he's getting really close if he co26 and out lane will almost help him now oh jeepers so 26-4 on your first ball Second Ball three ball three oh good thing you're here because I'm just not paying any attention at all in this match oh all right just one lit Target would do it yeah one lit Target and out lane anything other than a ball down the middle yep oh no yeah old Lane's okay oh yeah okay yeah yeah it's two let it go out all right he's got it he's got it with the three yeah it's one of those games where you know if you got it in the outline you're only 2000 away it's like okay well let it go so who do we guide next is it Josh yep Josh he's the only one that's got four holes completed okay oh yeah look at that I didn't even see that on there did you do that yeah I just did it yeah oh my God where where am I are we in Las Vegas because I I don't think I know I didn't sleep last night so maybe we are in this so this is practice right this is practice okay so after the after the fourth one I figured out now that they get a practice session before every ball right right oh yeah looking clean shaving ain't you yeah yeah I know not very often is it no hat either yeah yeah yeah so again what are you doing on this game Carl like you know what like are you just you know hoping to get your lanes hoping a prayer are you going back up are you taking your targets like are you trying for the one I'm trying for the one two three four yeah you are right yeah yeah because I want to raise that value you want to get the bonus value for sure and I think I am too like I'm not I'm kind of ignoring the drop targets at a one thousand and two thousand levels right yeah you want to get the yeah exactly you want to get the the lanes first build up the value otherwise you're wasting time on those targets I agree I mean when the pop bumper is brought the same as a but yeah there's a Target you know what's the sense right yeah oh that's a very nice shot into the four and oh now he nudged it into the one yeah he did that on purpose yeah he was trying to get that one I think that's on this game it's getting a little greedy because I've just I don't trust that one at all I would not I would not purposely put it down that one at any point I would probably try to shoot it at any point and then it will go in another Lane to get that or hope you get in like you can shots that maybe too yeah yeah yeah you can for the one yeah it's probably a lot safer than going down that one lane that right pop bumper is lit even though it doesn't look like it the lights just oh okay and the lights lights a little flaky yeah okay both pot numbers light at the same time oh okay so you know if the one pop bumpers let the other one is yep yep yep excellent oh and again the lean helped him there yeah whatever warp there is on this field yes and he's got the shot there there's a thousand that's gone yeah again uh sitting at ball three right now and only ten thousand so so uh Josh is offering me money to delete his attack from Mars game oh so how much should I ask oh man I'd be yeah that was ugly so I yeah that that'd be worth a few bucks in fact you know you could delete it and then you could send me a file and then I can blackmail them as well too that'd be excellent all right so Josh has a minimum eight Strokes right now being at fifteen thousand the next uh threshold is eighteen thousand eighteen and now he's got it so again a lot of variants um on these smaller em machines because the scores are so tight right right um You can really achieve you you can go from a 10 to a one in a hurry uh all depending um on how on how you shoot but it's it's amazing because you gotta you gotta grind it out on more modern machines that have the higher scoring whereas on this you hit a few shots and you could be there all right so at this point he's either five or six so he needs 30 in order to get there he does have the three thousand so all he's gonna do is hit one drop Target that's lit and he's very fast with the pops see the pops are the way to go man all right I shall move my rig and we are where are you going to Tron next is that where you're going nice and get some extra shots and practice time in there as Josh [Music] keeping the ball alive a little bit here's that extra practice time legal is that extra practice time legal Jim [Laughter] well there's one doing it right now so I'm assuming that uh you know it's fair game eh [Laughter] so again we are here at the 2019 ifpa pin Masters championship in Las Vegas Nevada at The Flipper Spiel my name is Derek Thompson um and your announcer here this morning uh they just could not find anybody else to do this job so I stepped in and uh hopefully you guys are having a great stream this morning thank you for tuning in um again um you know this format is a much different format than what you would see in normal uh match play scenarios or qualifying we're looking at playing nine holes today within this format you can score anywhere between a one on a hole or a 10 on a hole and what that will do is that will give you a score with you either being under par or over par so if you achieve a score of four that means you are even on the whole if you achieve a score of three two or one you are under par and if you achieve a score past the 4 more than you are over par and it various degrees on how you go over par is that if you it's a five ball game on every game and ultimately if you do not achieve that Target score after your fifth fall then you will have a series of scores that you need to achieve in order to get to the sixth score the seventh score the eight score of the nine score or the ten score so again it's a much different format can be a little complicated for first-time viewers but keep on tuning in and you will be able to go ahead and understand very quickly the format of this and it's a lot of fun right now we are sitting here um watching Joe practice Tron Tron played pretty fair I thought I thought uh I really liked you know I love this game another one of my favorite modern Sterns um I just I just love the shots on this game I love the Simplicity of this game because a lot of the modern machines I find are quite complicated in the rule sets and the depth and the multipliers bring on the depth oh my yeah well this is a guy that loves Pirates of the Caribbean so you know like like I get it but for guys that are kind of dumb like me I need more Simplicity in a game and this is where Tron comes in for me and is in my sweet spot because there just isn't the rule depth that there is in in some of the the newer modern machines that I've played that's for sure so I found the combo from the side ramp to the scoop to be a little more difficult than I was expected yeah that's usually my go-to on this um right you know you ended the end of the lines are the way to go on this game I find and I have a hard time finding quora I don't know if it's a flipper angle I don't know what it is yeah that wasn't a problem it was me uh getting the scoop on the Fly scoop on the flashlight okay trouble so again not on the end you're trying to figure out where that is eh to get that scoop shot and it's different on every game as well too you know it all depends on the angle of The Flipper right you can see the angle on this a little bit upright so I bet you just that that that small change of angle on there makes that scoop just a little more difficult it's later yeah and these guys they do this stuff on purpose like I know what they do right um you know in your home game or whatever you know you might have it set up a little differently or a little easier this and that these guys they fine tune everything when they look at these machines they look at every shot that's on the Playfield and they try to make all those shots as difficult as they can when it comes to competition so you know when you're seeing these games you see well you know Joe short if you only put up you know 200 220 million on Tron you know well it's because the machines are set up in a way where you know that they are a lot more difficult in competition and that's why you're seeing the difficulty for these players here today so how late did Nationals go yesterday too late too late I don't know just before two I think maybe 1 30 or so you know what I hung out until like 10 o'clock and I was done like I and yeah I was done right around then too because I couldn't imagine how you would have felt yeah you know because I was tired and I was only watching you know the action that was here um you know but I you know usually when you're playing I don't feel as tired but just watching the action man I was like beat for some reason yeah you know doing that so I can't imagine what you go through you know doing these events as well too and you know you have to sit here you got to run the equipment and do all that stuff in the background it's got to be taxing it is it is no question so we're almost done practice session here right now as it stands we've got Jim belsito who's at a minus four score we've got uh Joe lemare sitting at minus one uh we've got Josh Sharpe who's at plus six and John Garnett uh who's at plus nine so again quite the variance in in play here today I think again um you know the the format leads to that if you have a bad machine or a couple bad machines it can really hurt you you have to be very consistent in this format or else you know you're going to have those big numbers jump out at you it looks like we do have some standings on the ifba website pinball.com they're not going to be always up to date yeah can you throw that I'm gonna throw it awesome Commander standings excellent thank you very much Carl every time you come here you give me a surprise it's like my birthday like every time you come in here giving me a surprise I have a feeling this is more than a 30 second session here laughs this feels to me like this feels like a wait why is he um sorry I was looking at I'm comparing the scores I have on the stream versus the scores that they ever listed here and it looks like some there's a discrepancy somewhere oh no this is Joe's even yeah see Jim's at under four under Josh Josh is six yep so Joe I've got Joe mixed up some rather they do or I do four one four six we better go to the official scoring and maybe you should change that to uh to an even four one four five five I have a five for him on the attack uh they must be playing here I guess yes ball too okay yeah not playing Joe yeah that's what I thought just seems like uh this is a 30-minute practice yeah that was a little over um what am I missing here I just messed with something here oh I need to save this card that's why yeah talking to myself again sorry it's five minute practice time okay so I'm not losing my mind here viewers okay excellent and now he'll be even when I refresh this it always makes good for the stream when we have five minute practice sessions [Laughter] say that out loud sorry about that guys [Laughter] any tips for Star Wars I get to go there next survive it just seems like it's playing yeah it seems to be the longest playing game here because everyone's having trouble and we've been waiting three groups oh really for Star Wars yeah well it's probably going all five balls right exactly yeah it's only 200 million it's like 200 million yeah that's the target oh my God there's gonna be a lot of tens there you know what there's gonna be there's gonna be some twos and threes and lots of eight nines and tens on that game that you talk about a high variance game that is going to be a very high variance game I think because you're going to have people that know how to play that game and are going to be able to do well on it but you can have a whole bunch of people that aren't going to be able to execute on that game and do very poor on it yeah yes all right okay let's go to Tron we got Jim belsito uh he started right away with the skill shot interesting choice and he just let it go so there are two ways of going ahead and doing that one is letting that go and hoping that you get the ball back and the other is to do a live catch on that uh I've been choosing the live catch but you know that there is opportunities to go ahead and also let it go as well um on this game you really want to achieve your light cycle um so that is any of these lit shots that are in here so any of these lit shots uh that that will achieve your light cycle multiball uh if you get four of those light cycles then it will light at the scoop for you and that's where you want to collect that at the same time that you're doing that you may want to shoot your corner shot as well too because your core shot will also enable you a multiball if you do that after five as well and if you can stack both quora and your light cycle together now you really got something going another nice thing is is that you can also go ahead and start your light cycle and go ahead and achieve your quora through that as well too and get that stack going as well so there's lots of really cool things that you can do on this game the last thing is the disc multiball as well too and that takes I think three shots a disc to open it and then another six to go ahead and achieve it so again uh three ways to score on this game um the last in in underrated way of scoring and what I usually choose to do is the Cora the ramp and the scoop and what that will do is that will give you an end of the line and if you do that multiple multiple multiple times you will keep on increasing that amount that's on there and I've had end of the lines of going to four or five million in a game and it's really a an excellent excellent way of going ahead and getting to your target scores so again lots of different ways to play this game and we'll see how these guys do and how they're going to go ahead and Tackle this game because there are many ways to go ahead and score on this game we have John Garrett that's going to be starting off can he goes for the skill shot strategy and for Xbox Zeus and he's down yeah it's that quick uh TIE fighter I believe is at 50 in this so again yes absolutely is um you know it's it's going to be pretty tough I tell you to achieve that Target score on on Star Wars for sure yeah when it comes to the cycling through of the stats um it all depends if you submitted in a profile I know I didn't as well so my stats probably won't won't cycle through um but yeah it just all depends if you sent through a profile to Carl to go ahead and update those things uh if you didn't then you won't see those things cycle through on there again looks like we got a little bit of delay in action in here I think Josh is back there doing some scoring and stuff like that so we might have a little bit of a little bit of stoppage here well we got to talk about something because again you know Josh is uh you know up and not playing again so you know we have to we have to talk about something around here right yeah the standings were posted they were posted uh you know in this thread I think if someone can go ahead and post those again that would be great in the Stream I don't have that link in front of me I'm having a hard enough time doing the commentating no matter going ahead and going over to the computer and actually uh um you know doing the computer stuff that goes along with that um you know like I say as Canadians aren't that bright we can't we can't multitask very well thank you very much for putting that standings up for everybody much appreciated again we've got a little delay in the action here but it looks like Joe is ready to go let's see what he does here yes this is the strategy that I do on this game and I take that light cycle right away because that is one of the hardest light cycle shots so he's playing this game how I would play it right now taking this Cora oh very nice that's a very nice shove that he did there to be able to get that out of the out lane very nice save again he's going to calm it down he's going to let that tilt bulb settle a little bit made a very very nice save that's in there and hopefully here uh he's going to get his light cycle going here he's got the left orbit he's got the left ramp he's got the right ramp opportunity here and all he needs is two shots in order to go ahead and get that light cycle going left orbit would be a good choice here and he was trying for it oh yeah that was unfortunate huge uh action off the slings on this game so again when you're inaccurate and you're shooting and that that thing goes into the slings it's a 50 50 proposition if you're gonna get that thing back supplies okay now we've got Josh Sharpe this is a ball one let's see the strategy he employs here if he's gonna go full plunge or if he's gonna go skill shot and he does the full plunge as well too yeah that's the exact strategy that I use as well and here we go and plus he gets a skill shot out of it that's the perfect Plunge and he's got his quora and yeah that ramp shot it's been tough Carl said that that combo has been very very tough to execute oh that would have been an end of the line that we talked about before if he would have been able to nail that scoop because it has to be done in the perfect order and perfect timing again some nice control play here he's got the orbit he now has light cycle ready to go so is he gonna collect his light cycle is he gonna go ahead and collect Cora oh boy so again he does have his multiball ready to go so he definitely made some progress on that ball we've got ball two um again we've got Jim who's got his light cycle ready to go he'll be able to get that right off of a plunge and if he hits his skill shot properly I can I can foresee him trying for that for sure he does have nothing there so he's gonna have to earn that one oh a little tough on the post pass there he goes so he got it third time's a charm and light cycle is now lit he's got his multiball ready to go and we'll see what he's going to be doing here he can hit the lit shots for jackpots or he can go ahead and focus on the chorus shot in order to get Cora lit to go along with this we'll see what ends up happening here and what strategy he's going to employ looks like he's just going for light cycle uh shots here to begin with and again we're looking for a Target score of 12 million on this game so very achievable he's almost halfway there right now and again he got a light cycle jackpot there and it looks like he's just focusing on light cycle right now I'm not worrying too much about stacking it along with Cora he believes that you know he can get you the 12 million Target Mark by going ahead and hitting those jackpots now he does have the left ramp available to him or he has the right ramp as well too some nice control play here oh he almost made that wrap oh a good quarter shot there now he has Cora lit and a very nice post pass oh wow if he gets it quickly no he's not going to be able to get him tied together but he does have Cora now and he's at 10.5 million more than likely he's going to be able to go ahead and get his Target score if he wants to play it safe he wants to add he wants to hit the disc twice so that he can go ahead and now get his attaball with this as well too and really make sure that he's going to get that Target so now he's got his ball added and he's got his 12 million and he is done it is over the target has been achieved that was an absolutely wonderful ball that he did there the light cycle multiball going into quora going ahead and getting the Atta ball it doesn't get any better than that folks this is why you're watching a world champion here going ahead and playing on this machine just phenomenal play um doesn't get any better than that thank you we now have John Garnett and he had a tough first ball for sure so he's got a lot of dude a lot to do on this ball um again he's gonna go ahead and get his skill shot so that is 500k in his pocket but he's got a lot of work to do he's really got to get some light cycles going here he's got to get some cores going here it's the only way that he's going to achieve um you know his Target score on this game because it's a very low scoring game with any other strategy that you have on here um you know you may be able to grind out into the lines but honestly if you don't get multiball on here you're not getting your target score as far as I'm concerned one shot to Cora again oh yeah that's that's a lifting your flipper up on this game is a little dangerous as far as I'm concerned I've seen a lot of people drain out in that but he did get away with it oh no unfortunately he bricked on the U Target and went straight down the middle we now have Joe um and from what I've heard it looks like he's going for the super skill shot so again this is another one that you can employ it's a little tougher um you know when you don't have ball save on it but ultimately you come over here and plunge and then go ahead and take that shot right there for your super skill and then take this to go ahead and do it no he didn't do it interesting so he said he was gonna go for super skill but he really didn't he chickened out on it so um yeah or it could have got hung up on the top there as well too so again he does have light cycle it's ready to go he is holding pattern right here and taking his time let's see if he can nail it oh just a little early in dream oh the pain the horror oh yes I know exactly that feeling it's just awful [Music] so you did try for the super skill yeah yeah see I knew he was gonna try for it it just uh I guess he didn't plunge the ball hard enough so we got Josh uh he did not hit his uh skill shot and safely on The Flipper looks like he's gonna go for his light cycle he probably didn't even try it that's right here and oh I don't know the pain the horror oh my God my God is that frustrating you go ahead you hit that shot you hit exactly where you want it it pops out and it drains down the middle oh yeah that's that's tough oh yeah we have John here uh let's see what he does here if he's gonna go full plunger if he's gonna go I thought I fell for you I did you know ask ask the commentators it was it it was as painful for me as it was for you [Laughter] so here we go we've got some lights he's got some targets available here you always got to do is get him for his light cycle he's got about three more targets he has to hit oh that's a very tough shot into the gem that he made there very nice Ricochet and he's only got two left to go here he just has to hit one of these ramps because actually he only has one more shot to light cycle to go and all he has to do is take one of those ramps either on the left side or on the right side and you don't have it lit so he's got control here and it's just a matter of hitting that left ramp now oh he's going he's going for disc wow okay so this is a different strategy that you'll see here he's got about pink was it three or four shots left for disc he's got three more three more shots now I don't play disc a whole lot because I find it quite dangerous when it comes out of there but it has been a viable strategy on this machine because I haven't seen too many people drain out on the disk shot so he's got three more shots and he has to hit on disc and he'll get that disc multiball ready to go oh no yes unfortunate and that is the danger if you go ahead and you miss that shot that ball is automatically in danger unfortunately he missed went off of the right ramp and then drain down the left hand side unfortunately so again we've got Joe that's going to be up here and he's taking the soft plunge and into light cycle that's the perfect skill shot uh he's got the 500k he's got the light cycle going and let's see if he can get some jackpots here in light cycle so he's in multiball he's got the ball save on he's flailing a little bit just trying to get some early jackpots get himself going oh no that was an ugly feet out of that scoop right down the middle unfortunately and he is out of light cycle right now I think yes he is so he's at six million right now and now it's kind of like what do I do well if I'm him I'm probably going quora and trying to start that he does have his disc uh open now and unfortunately was not able to recover from it and is out the left out late we are sitting here on ball three I believe on Tron and we have is it John Garrett that's Garnett that's going to be up I believe it is he's taking a little while to hear it because normally what happens when you tilt the machine that till Bob is going side to side to side to side and you want that to settle down before you get up on the machine you don't want to go up there too soon all it takes is a little shove and then you'll get a tilt on yourself and there's nothing you know they can do about that in the rules so players will take their time before it goes up on so we got Josh Sharpe he is up next he now has his light cycle ready to go so that was the perfect skill shot with the 500k and now he has light cycle going let's see if he's going to be taking his jackpots or if he's going to be going for quora not quite sure exactly a strategy he'll employ guided both trapped and let's see if he's taking a jackpot or the quora and he's going jackpot so there is two strategies and by all means uh they will both work all depending on how you execute them so he's out of multiball right now and so now he's probably going to be trying for the core and try to get that going and getting some end of lines to try to increase his scoring again just missed I've I've been fighting that core shot is very tough to find um so again we'll see if he keeps on with his strategy or if he abandons it and goes to disc he does have disc open right now the Cora I think he only has one more shot to Cora now so I think he's going to be going for that shot trying to achieve that multiball and here it is oh just missed just a tiny brick shot there it's such a tight tight shot to get that in there there it is he's got it lit all he's got to do now is hit that scoop nice save okay he's settling himself down he's got one shot to Cora just has to nail it there it is multiball he's got the quora ready to go let's see if he takes his atom ball right away because this is only a two ball so you really want to hit um that uh that disc shot in there to get your attaball going so now he's got that and he's got he's in uh oh he's got one more to add and there it is so now he's got a three ball and he's plus he's got the ball time save he's got one more addable in his bank as well too that he can take at any point usually you want to wait until a ball drains before you take that and now he's taking it as the ball was draining this is an excellent excellent ball that he's having here just has to start hitting some jackpots now um another good strategy is to go ahead and hit those Tron targets and try to get that gem shot into there to get yourself your Super Jackpot on here lots of great strategies that you can employ on this he's got four three balls on the one flipper and one ball uh in play which is the ideal um strategy that you want on floorball play again just some great shooting here from Josh pretty well ignoring um you know the discs shot in the middle oh now he's now he's taking it okay all right so those will give him um definitely some jackpots that are in there nothing nothing nothing oh he doesn't have it uh oh nothing in there right now maybe some auxiliary points he doesn't have anything yeah it doesn't get any going yeah so he's got what two balls left here he's got two balls I think I'm shooting flashing shots right now like you know or quora you know you can do that as well too you just needs a million and a half I would actually shoot for the Tron and I would go for gym right now just go for End of Line super Super Jackpot just end the line just side side ramp to scoop yeah but you shoot for jackpots one that's two million well that's the gym shot yeah but the gym gym is difficult oh my gosh no he's gonna be disappointed with that I think it's uh he had he had the three balls on there didn't get didn't get very much out of that at all when he was in three ball plays so the next ball will be uh plunged to the scoop for the win I think he's over he's had 15 isn't he he's like 12 already no he's gone Josh yeah well we hope it will [Laughter] well that's the idea if you've seen the previous balls you'll know what I'm talking about I know I know what you're talking about Jim belsito how are you doing you want to get on the horn I know a lot of people want to talk to you here we go we got Jim bellacino on the mic how you doing Jim good sir how are you I'm doing great watching all this action on Tron and seeing you kick some butts so far on here like minus six unbelievable you just come in here haven't even played on the machines at all no practice time and Bam you're just rocking it today yes it's gonna be interesting to see the scores I think on that overall because it was playing very very different the remakes plays so much differently than the regular ones you betcha so again we've got uh John here I've never met John you know I have not either no so the first time you've been played with him yep excellent how's the how's your powder how's the group been today groups are great yeah everybody's uh nice friendly environment yeah this is really nice awesome it's like it's one of my favorite tournaments I do too I love this tournament I just love the format I love everything about it and you know even small in nature it's like you know only 72 people it's nice and intimate right very nice so what do we got here where is he at we've got light cycle because he hasn't got his light cycle yet has he no so we're we're rooting for him here to try to get one of these wraps all he needs is one wrap here yeah one shot left ramp or uh right round do you ever go for right Orbit on this game yes you do you yeah oh yeah that's because you guys are Sharp Shooters like I would never even all right he's got the Stars oh so he's got it here oh no no I'm thinking yeah yeah this I'd be doing the light cycle right now looks like he's going for this though oh my God yeah he is he is well he's got the disc going now hey sometimes if you do it the hard way we're gonna get it right here the problem is he's got his own stretch yeah the problem is you can't bring in light cycle into disk either so there's really no advantage of bringing disc in at that point but yeah but no a lot of shots are lit so yeah do we need 15 million there's 12 million he's gone no when he gets the 15 meal and he'll be saying yeah and what I did was the rate 12 about 15 12. he's gone he's got it he's got it he's done oh there he is there he goes I'm thinking 15. oh there you go see it and that shows that you can play a game 10 different ways and he got he got to that Target score you know through disc even though that he had the multiball lid on the right he's as you decide that was the right way for him to do it so again Kudos yo this format you don't always have to do the traditional uh strategy to get to where you need to go in fact I find sometimes it's very unconventional all depending how close to the Target score you are as well too you'll just abandon something and you'll go to something else just to get that one million or two million that you need are we shooting regular skill shots is because I'm one of the three million yeah okay yeah do funny so we've got Joe and he's sitting at six million right now so still quite a ways to go he's only about halfway to the Target that he needs um and I don't know he I think he's already taken light cycle too hasn't he he has yeah so he's he's got to get some Cora action going here I think or or death yeah again I you know the korosha looks difficult so you know maybe disc is the way I don't find it too tough oh goodness uh the upper wrap the side wrap those the sidewalk are you expected a little late that flipper is definitely wonky okay that's what a lot of people have told me is they're saying that end of line just isn't there on this game either the the right ramp is tough or the scoop hasn't been as reliable either to be able to get it in there so I'm I'm thinking yeah my first attempt at the scoop was uh see you later [Music] it was gone I think Josh had that experience as well too on his when you tried for his uh light cycle and popped right out of there it went right down the middle too oh here we go this could be an end of the line here oh just missed [Music] he's got two more to light light cycle but he's got the really hard light cycle now um where he's got to get it through the gem shot and he's got to get it through that tight right he's got it right there Norbit he's good he just actually needs some bumpers that's all he needed yes excellent so he did miss that skill shot right away because remember he only needed a skill shot in order to do it so I missed it my second tattoo and so all we got left now is Joe and we're now at ball 5 territory so at 8 million right now where would it be at Carl when it comes to Target score you see what he's uh he's at 8.2 I stuck him over there for you they're on the chat room and now when you can just go over here to click between the games oh my God okay for you for you I can't get him on the stream I'm telling you every time there's a surprise around here you just you know I can't keep up with you Carl Carl the master that's right so he's at a Target score of seven right now and he needs to get about 9.6 million in order to move up to the six and he needs the full 12 to get that five that's the best that he can do right now oh no oh no I don't know oh no geez he got away with the big shot there pass it over calm it down take your time little light cycle I I have a feeling he's not doing the disc strategy here I'm telling you are correct oh back candidate wow there it is wow that was bold [Laughter] yeah that ramp eh just it's it's really lots of bricks there eh it's tough he just needs a couple shots one more here oh Cora yeah Cora would be nice right now really doesn't mean I just need to save the ball in the playroom for a few minutes 30 seconds and you know what on this game you know where it is you know what I do a lot is I hit those Tron targets because when you hit the Tron Target something you get the jam and you know and plus now you're getting double scoring or whatever's on dude right I tend to do that a lot multiball just to get that going don't kill sir yes sir you are good to go it is good hey excellent so that's a five Target um that's one over par on this hole and a great comeback because he was sitting at six million and that could have been disastrous if he did not hit that Target score so what is up next Jim what are you playing next Star Wars of death are you really oh my God so how how are you gonna tackle that game you know for all the viewers here you know this is the next game that you have in line here and in Star Wars trust me it is brutal so so how are you talking of course they're walking around and asking people how they're playing it because the game I don't play a lot I mean I have one but I don't I never see it yeah that uh that one of my favorites but um people are doing the Han ha strategy where they're uh starting him and then shooting the inner loop there on the right a few times and video mode and right away the first mode is a multiball and so that seems to be the strategy that I people were Carl just did that too okay and he's got a two so he did pretty well with it well he is Carl at the end two hyperspaces yeah absolutely absolutely okay so you will get a hyperspace so we're thinking you're picking Han we're thinking you're doing that show you're going into video mode and you're gonna crush it I hope so excellent excellent the tough machine this year you remove rubbers on the outlines and stuff and you're trying to skill shot with no balls ain't no ball safe what do I do yeah there's just yeah there's just danger everywhere yes yes I feel for you I'm glad I get to watch you play this because in the afternoon it might give me some ideas because I don't know this game very well at all so I'm looking for especially a premium Le yeah like twice in my life yeah never never get to try it never get to play these games um so yeah I'm interested to see what you guys do with this because man this thing yesterday was brutal it was absolutely brutal anybody that played it it was it was tough were you watching it yesterday I was there were people what were people doing yesterday I was here yesterday yeah it was live um a lot of them were doing R2D2 strategy because it's score a little different um you know I've heard Leia as well too you know people you know incorporating Leia as well too into the strategy um but for the most part I think people were you know just trying to get into that R2D2 get that mode going get their five shots get into the next we'll get in the multiball and that was pretty well the end of their game you know because he was playing so damn hard if you got into a multiball you were laughing but yeah it's just getting there and trying to get those shots and trying to you know get there is a whole different story yeah yeah I'm not sure that's why this game would need to be rubbers need to be removed at all right place it does um yeah I I think I think that's crazy and even for me who who likes to set up machines very very tough yes you do I I it's different than us I think I don't think I'd be that bold you know especially without a ball save on it I I you know I just think this game the way that it plays it plays already very very it even plays more difficult I believe than Iron Man you know and just the way that it is and just the nastiness of dreams that you get that you have really no chance of of saving well the in-lane outline layers are so exposed like you know most games have like there's protection there where you have a small Dimension where the ball is going to get in and then you worry about you know this is it's like wide open in the world it is yeah come and eat me for sure yeah it's crazy man it's a very fast game too I mean it is throwing the ball on your face loops around this should be a game that I love because it's fast you know I like games that are just quick and in your face and whatever but I just have never really gotten into this game and I think it's the multiplier rule I think because I don't like the middle button thing I just thought into doing that and you know I think if it didn't have that I think I'd probably really love this game and and maybe I just haven't had enough time on it I think you just bet the ball around yeah you're watching when we first headed my house when we first got it for Halloween party and uh my four-year-old was playing it he's just batting the ball around and all of a sudden she's at 20x and it's like 500 million he's like really what's going what's going on that's great look Dad yeah I don't think I've ever gotten 20x on the game so it's like yeah I could just imagine the pinball term is your house gym yeah they must be pretty brutal if your daughter's getting 500 bills we just usually have kid tournaments yeah back in the olden days I think I had like match play Swiss tournaments but uh that was just uh no it's just for fun awesome so you guys are you guys almost ready to go here what is uh practice time is it a log Jam on this game in there how many what's that oh we're practicing now oh yeah yeah we gotta go yeah I thought it was a longer branch honestly there's practice but it I didn't even notice it was playing like I heard there was a 30 second practice rule but it seems to be like the five minute practice rule practice a little while I might I might take that up on this game it might take a little more practice okay thank you sir good luck to you Jim thank you very much for coming and uh good luck to you man let's roll the commentary yeah absolutely thanks again to Jim belsito again taking time out of his day and you know concentration on playing on the games to Enlighten us a little bit with some commentary it's always nice always nice to see Jim um you know I travel from Canada playing in a number of tournaments and uh always enjoy talking to him he's just a wealth of knowledge he knows his rule sets really really well and he's just one of the most accurate players I've ever seen out there and I always try to model you know my game with certain people and he's definitely a guy that if you watch a lot of his streaming and a lot of his uh the way that he goes about himself um you want to emulate that if you're looking to be a very high caliber pinball player so we're still sitting here in practice time again it felt like I was here having a conversation with Jim for about 20 minutes so I'm not sure what's going on on this one here but again this machine does play very very tough so they want to make sure that they get their shots in find them all before they go ahead and start playing again the target score I believe on this game um if I can if I can work this fancy thing that Carl gave me here this thing here oh my God it's even touch screen too okay this is great okay so and then how do you do that you just like just touch oh touch the sides okay I can figure that out maybe you want to show everyone else oh the targets oh I can do that too on here so we're gonna show you the target scores on this game right here um whoa if you can which one is this I think it's uh oh my God those are all the target scores of the games we're looking at number three uh which would be Star Wars the target is 200 million that's on there um again not an easy score the way that this thing is set up I believe um you know it's you're gonna see a lot of high variance I think on this game okay so we are here Jim bellacino I think this is still practice time though I think he's still trying to feel up the shots that are on here again when you see the target scores that are on there you see kind of the breakdown of where you need to go it's kind of fun to watch along to see where they are and you know in the scoring so that you know you can see oh man he's only sitting at 10 he's only sitting at nine he's at eight oh he's on ball five right now and if he doesn't make that you know he could be getting a seven or a six so it just adds a little bit of a different element to this type of tournament this type of format um and you know you could have a big lead and get a 10 on a machine and now you're done so yeah it's going to be very very interesting uh to see how this is done and what strategy that people do on this game because I believe that this is one of the games where you can seriously get a 10 on very very easily yeah yeah you can you know if you don't know what you're doing on this game I think like like me I think I'm in deep Kaka when it comes to this game well Jim told you what he's gonna do right he did I'm gonna watch him very very closely on what he's going and I just did that too I got a two on it so yes it's but it's one thing to know it's another thing to execute yeah great and that's you know and that's what I'm looking here right now and I'm just because I'm I actually have never played Han nor have ever nor had I until right now and then multiple you know I've never played it before the uh escape from author whatever that left one is okay whatever it's called whatever that one is yeah that one there okay okay interesting yeah so I'm really looking forward to seeing the strategy on this because I you think everybody's going I think everybody's going on no I don't think no I don't think so I think you'll see some R2D2 in there yeah yeah the typical someone may go crazy and go Leia like I don't know you know Texas spinball Festival people are saying oh well the new strategy on Star Wars is to go Leia I'm like I've never even played Leia before not drain that's the strategy don't plunge the out lane okay here we go light tattooing we have Jim belsito that is stepping up to his first ball is going to pull the plunger and see where that goes I mean my best golf voice right now trying to make sure that any soft punched okay interesting sweet four gold the skill shot in order to go straight into and it's gone wow so for the viewers because you know this strategy what is he trying to do well he's trying to shoot here let me go to the other seat yeah show us give this give us a Carl D'Python Anghelo tutorial foreign ball is this it's number one right here that's right it is it is and it's lit and then that's flashing yeah ah yes very interesting so really all you're doing is you're just shooting this three times and then one more time to go ahead and get her done exactly plus you're getting a video mode out of it which is nice and safe on here to give you some points yeah I thought too many points unless you've built up the multiplier but okay so Han and then what are you picking at your start mode in Han uh Zach told me to choose light Tatooine light Tatooine okay okay interesting I don't know why whether that's I don't think I don't think it really matters but yeah so I drain ball one I I got one hyperspace hurry up during ball one okay ball two I had light hyperspace hurry up so I did that okay shot the hyperspace hurry up and gotten that multiball because I did too nice so the one multiball didn't give you your target score it didn't I I I failed on it okay interesting I focused on shooting the force targets to get my out of balls okay I got that ball it just I didn't quite you got your edible and still did not hit the target in there wow so okay I never played that multiple before so I didn't know I didn't really know build the value with the spinner then shoot the loop to click so everything's a loop in this thing oh okay okay oh yeah you got a rookie on the keyboard it's fine I need a button on that it's easy enough to do so we've got uh John Garnett that was on here and he is looping did he take on he took on yeah he did so he's following Jim falling Following the Leader yes yes and that's what I like to do in a lot of games as well too especially if I don't know them I will do the copycat strategy um and it served me well trust me when you don't know games look at look at a guy who's really good in copying him [Laughter] all right Josh apparently having the worst day of his life he really is according to him and he looks like he's having the worst day of his life doesn't he Josh is liking Han too well it seems to make a lot of sense what you guys are saying um okay so Han only needs one Tatooine mode to light a multi-bond it's a one shot hurry up so that's why that's why you choose that to me so you have a second multiple a second multiball and all you gotta do is go into Tatooine after right I mean you can go in Tatooine first I guess and do that if you want okay but you can't stack your Hoth in your Tatooine multiball together I don't think so okay I think that's the setting I don't know what it's set to or not okay so it looks like he's got Hoth going here so now he's got the video mode and you have to pick your video yes you have to pick it so this is the this is the video mode here okay and I don't know where this multipliers at but you saw the shot the x is blinking so something's about to expire Josh thinks uh hitting every asteroid is the uh yeah yeah I thought you were supposed to avoid the asteroids and not hit them all see if I didn't know anything about this game I'd be like oh I gotta hit all the asteroids because that's what Josh is doing laughs and he's got his multiplayer 4X so this is going to be decent yeah it could be like 40 or 50 I think you know if he would have played a little better at the start he probably would have been at 40. he's a quarter of the way right now yeah so that's you know that's very viable right I I think this is definitely the way to go so he's got one more shot oh just missed oh no oh no oh is that danger too danger one danger one we will never know yeah because it doesn't go danger danger does it no it doesn't tell so now he's got a so now he has a multiball here automatically from this oh interesting okay and now what you're trying to do in multiball you're trying to hit that spinner or it was a hyperspace Loop right now that should have been yeah yeah no 16 yeah hit the spinner on the left then shoot the inner loop for the jackpot too okay that's the end of the multiple wow that is like very very quick that's why I focused on the force targets yes yes to try to get your atom all going at least all right so wow he's almost he's halfway there yeah he got one hyper so he'll have the same thing I have plus he's got some bonus here so yeah that's not too much though so the target is 200 million so what 133 pretty solid he's guaranteed a seven right now so he's he's doing really well right all right let's see what Joe does I do like that strategy I think that's I think that's the way to go on here seems fairly safe you know you don't have to you know that doesn't come back out oh man that plunge it's so scary it's nasty so did he take R2D2 here because no he's a con but he's shooting him he's shooting the indoor yeah now he's shooting oh the man he's not gonna get that back is he wow I'm up all right all righty all right good luck to you so there's a pretty big move there so I'm assuming that you know there's gonna be a little bit of wait time here on that um again looks like you can give it a pretty good shove to go ahead and get your uh uh to save your balls so I'd be very tempted to go ahead and you know make a move on this just to save a ball because your bonus isn't huge on this game anywhere yeah it's quite interesting the different strategies on this game um again I'm not very familiar with any of them to tell you the truth because I don't have a lot of time on Star Wars nor do I like playing Star Wars so I really don't haven't taken the time to learn it but you know I I would love to get to learn this a little bit more and to understand it I just for some reason just can never get into it or you know when there's one on location I'd just rather play something else unfortunately oh okay and so now we've got Jim belsito that is on tap and again I think you're gonna see the short plunge short plunge right into the right lane and now he's got it under control the matter of hitting that Loop and once he hits that loop three times he will have activated that video mode and I think that's the strategy that you will see for many of the players here today and here we go he's got the video mode going let's see how well he does this video mode again got nailed by the asteroids there looking pretty good flying pretty safe through here oh and again this is a this is a quick 20 30 million you know he's sitting at one time so he's probably only going to get 15 to 20 million I would think on this but again you know free points um fairly easy to get into um you know fairly safe strategy as far as I'm concerned so just under 10 million um again yeah yeah maybe you should be building up your multiplier before you take that but you know what are the chances that's the problem is that you know taking those x's and building that up and then getting your video mode I don't know you know that could be a viable strategy as well too just no matter how much risk that you want to take on a game that's playing super super tough so now we've got a multiball that's going to be Happening Here uh Escape them also Eisley let's see if he focuses on the force targets um to get that at a ball because that's definitely what Carl was doing on his side um we'll see if that's if that's the strategy he's going to employ Oh I thought that you'd have a multiball there maybe he doesn't maybe I'm losing my mind uh so now he has almost indoor almost lit because he's hit that a few times oh he chose Tatooine thank you very much that's why there was an issue 27 million after that so again oh it is this is tough sledding on here um you know 200 million is very very um a very very tough score that I believe on this again there was different strategies that were probably employed yesterday during um you know during the round so you know people are probably getting you know in the neighborhood of maybe 600 700 800 million on it um and that's why that the target score is sitting at 200 million right now for this but the way that I'm seeing it right now this is going to be you know definitely a difficult score to achieve for many players today on this and here's a short plunge into the sling and survives sweating bullets for sure there so let's see what he's going to do here and he's going through the loop he's got Hoth lit now and he's ready for a video mode now does he take some x's here in order to get that multiplier up or is he just going to go straight into video mode be very interesting to see what he does I think he's going to go straight into it and there he goes so now I hold that video mode lit I think it's only at you know the one times though [Music] and let's see where he's at here in video mode he's got it two times uh multiplier there so again uh you know some decent value if you can do well yeah he's having a very good video mode right here he's got 130 oh very nice so that 140 streak which is really really good it's probably going to set himself up for maybe a say a 15 to 20 million uh video mode here yeah 19.4 it's pretty good I'm just wondering if it's worth it going ahead and risking getting those X's up a little bit more taking a few other shots on the play field maybe getting that up to four four times five times maybe even six times then getting that video mode and then going ahead and you know maybe getting you know a 90 uh million or something on that it'll be very interesting to see if we see anybody that employs that strategy and here we go again he's got the multiball going um did not get his at a ball so now he is now out of that see where he goes next this is where I would be a little lost on this game now after hearing the strategy that these guys are employing because what do you do now um kind of in jail here and it looks like you go down the out lane after you finish everything like that so I don't know like I say I again me not knowing the game very well I'd be kind of lost after I did those two things on there and have you left wandering going okay well you know what's next do I start indoor what do I do it's got Tatooine lit um so I'm not sure if he's going to be taking that or not yeah again I've heard a lot about Leia as well too again I don't know the strategy eh so much on Leia um you know but again you know I'm used to R2D2 strategy that's what I employed a lot on this game you know when I have played it but again I don't know that well either I just know that I'm pretty good at hitting that left ramp all the time and then I was able to get into the mode that I needed to get into but again I've heard a lot of people now say that the Leia is the new R2D2 or the you know so I agree is that I wish I could get some time on this game to be able to figure out that strategy on there because it's nice playing different characters that was one of the things I didn't like about this game is that you'd only pick you know one one mode and play that and it's not really what I like I like more of like a Game of Thrones where you've got the opportunity to maybe have some choices so here is Josh and he does have a four times going here on his multiplier and it'll be interesting to see where he's going to go here he's got a escape from moles Eisley and a double stack of modes going here and he's got to shoot the Death Star shot for 500k uh he's got another award that was collected there he's got three times on this Playfield so he's got everything going he's pretty close he's at 168 and getting very very close to the Target here right now nailed that shot now he got a death star shot if he wants to take that and another eight and a half million he's getting very very close now sitting at 168. settling it down and he's going all the way through now he's got a death star shot if he wants it and he's going loops and again straight to that round she's just rapping right out here just keeps on rapping rapping rapping he's just grinding it out here to try to get to that 200 million again shooting um you know shooting two and a half million ramps over and over and over again maybe a viable strategy once you're kind of oh he just missed that 197 unfortunately so he's sitting here at hunt at a six right now um he's probably guaranteed to get a three uh on that uh on that machine so again A minus one score on this machine I would take that and go to the next because I tell you uh this one is playing very very difficult so we got Joe lemare he's going to be stepping up and let's see what he picks here he's gonna go to light video mode it's been pretty popular a lot of people have been trying to get the video mode going on this game uh again uh he's sitting at two times multiplier so we'll see if he actually tries to increase that multiplier before collecting uh he's not he's just gonna go into it immediately and there he goes so he has his video mode going and let's see where that takes them and again you know probably gonna see a lot of video mode action today uh in Star Wars if they're employing the strategy not the most fun to watch as far as I'm concerned I'm not a big fan of video modes myself I don't think they really belong in pinball machines uh you know there isn't very many that I like to even play um you know this one here they did very well on the video mode because he didn't even have to move it so you know just the randomness all that type of stuff I honestly don't really believe in them but it is what it is um so we have a two ball multiball now where he's actually going to earn his points now and we've got Force targets which can be hit in order to get your atta ball um core there he goes she's got four times also going as well so he's got a good start as multipliers I'm trying to get two on the flipper so that maybe he can backhand those Force targets and let's see here yep and yes so he backhanded the e um he's only got three more targets to go and then he'll be able to get his animal oh and that was unfortunate yeah he's got a death star shot though and that's yeah there he goes he's got that for 19 million very nice shot one thing I do love about the Le is I I do like that going around and around on there I think that's pretty cool on the Playfield I think it's a cool design I never get to play in Le so I think it's uh I love how they've gone ahead and done that on the game next save and he is looking here at he's got an indoor available he's got Tatooine blinking let's see what he takes here some nice saves and that's some nice reactions there uh he's got 236 million and he's used his Target so he is done on this game he's playing for fun now I think uh on here because he has achieved that Target I don't even know if he thinks he's I don't think he knows he has it yeah so that will be um a is it a two or a three I can't tell what that is on there I'm hoping that that's a is that is that a three can anybody tell on the screen because I sure can't I'm gonna say that was a two I'm just gonna go out on a limb because I can't see the DMD don't have my glasses I lost my glasses here in Las Vegas I can't believe it you're gonna have a hard time playing pinball today thank you very much it was ball too so he did achieve a score of two there I'm glad that someone could see that fine print that's on there we've got Jim belsito uh he's up on ball three on Star Wars and looks like he's going for uh the indoor ramp so I don't know if that's at this point you shoot Blinky lights or what you're doing here because it looks like he's just shooting ramps right now that have the lights lit uh oh it's a nice spinner shot that's in there oh and again just drain on the right hand side it is wide open in there uh very hungry if you lose your ball you're probably going to lose it on that side and again that's why you seeing people not even go for the skill shot most of the time in soft plunging because of the danger on that right hand side yeah I do agree that the fonts on some of these especially the newer Sterns are not great Aerosmith was another one that I had a really hard time with the fonting on I think they've made some improvements to that of late but again yeah it's just you know you got a nice LD LCD screen there I just wish they utilize it a little bit more for the scoring I find as well when the modes are going and stuff like that and you know there's a lot of video that's on the screen and you can't see your score a whole lot um you know that's difficult as well too especially for competition pinball players now I get it that you know there's a lot of people that aren't competition players they want to see the video that's on the screen they want to see the animations and all that stuff and that's great but I wish that when you put it into competition mode then maybe some of that stuff you know didn't happen oh you tried the short plunge unfortunately um went down the right drain and that was it that's how tough that this game is set up right now yeah Ghostbusters is absolutely terrible for that display issue um I we have a Ghostbusters on location I tell you it's you can't even tell when you got four players in on that game so I I'm really hoping for a a code update on that very very soon another quick drain for Josh but he had his uh 200 million Target anyway right off the plunge so um you did achieve his three on that which was excellent now we have Jim belsito who honestly right now is in a little bit of trouble I would say uh you know it's sitting here at I think he's at 79 is it 79 million that he's at oh 28 million yeah so he has a lot to do here and honestly like where do you go here Carl because I'm trying to see where he is right now like isn't it anything yet he hasn't hit the Hoth Loops like he even told he hasn't hit the hog well no I'm looking at it there's nothing left so he's got two three here though like has has he finished that yet well that's part of the character okay okay so he did hyperspace hurry up so he's gonna try and shoot that left uh hyperspace Loop excellent but that's his first one he needs two foreign Death Star no just going for ramps well he's in the death star mode it looks like he chose that and once you choose the mode you're locked into it that's why he was asking me earlier if I if I drain out with my mode what happens okay oh boy yeah so 40 million like I'm telling you like it's not not easy what ball is that he's sitting up that level four yeah he is in real danger here of taking a nine on this hole so Josh finished on the last ball on Ball three yeah we've only got two left so I need to put Josh in as a three here so here we go with John Garnett he's at 79 million he's got a little bit more progress so you know he's guaranteed an eight but he definitely wants to improve upon that for sure he's got Tatooine lit like what are you doing here right now Carl are you going to Tatooine are you collecting that I play the video mode too so the video is lit up there well no he's got live video but on the skill shot that's why oh okay so you take your video mode now do you increase your multipliers before you go into the video mode it's nice too but it's dangerous okay but yeah definitely like video mode here and when you're doing your multipliers is it the X targets that are lit right there like you can keep on ramping up there and getting that times and when you do that the shot is multiplied by whatever you've got it at yeah so he's a 3X now or five five x he's at 5x I'd be tempted to take that right now that's pretty good but the multiplier isn't on the video mode shot so he has to move it otherwise he will lose it he won't get that multiplied value and how do you move it onto them hit the lockdown the button yeah shift it or they turn red you move it you hit it to lock it into green oh okay so he's gonna yeah he won't get so you got to put it to red and then you click the flipper and then you lock it again with green right okay no I'm just saying I know red lets it move green all right so that's you can get some good value here on the Tie fighters if we hit that button and yeah he's got some excellent well he's at what 163 now yeah it's very good so he wants to shoot Death Star so he's got that same death star mode as Jim did does he this is a uh you have to combo the shot I believe shoot one of the orange shots that didn't shoot the death stars yesterday oh wow like like that's easy probably better off hitting the right ramp and then doing that this was the wrong mode to pick that's the that's the problem like I said yeah you're stuck into it you can't get out of it and finish it and when you pick your how do you pick your mode is that the start for beer ball when you pick them no no the mode is when you whenever you so you've got four you got four planets yeah you know that one that one okay so when it goes on the video screen you get to pick your mode you just pick the wrong mode exactly okay yeah there's a timer but you have to you've got like eight second empty shoot the initial shot you have eight seconds to shoot the Death Star shot I think okay this is one of these games where you really need to know the game like I I find that if you don't know this game you're at a huge disadvantage yeah it's interesting because it keeps popping up in tournaments but really no one's taking the time to really learn I mean not no one but the majority of players are ignoring the game yeah well I think it's it's due to the difficulty of the game as well too the average player just cannot get it it doesn't understand how to how to do it like I've been watching this for however long and I still don't get it you know I thought that says much so this is a multiple multiball for Jim if he makes that ramp the the Death Star shot he doesn't have his multiplayer on there so he just you need to move that multiplier over there he lost a lot of value because he didn't have to at least double the value of it yeah exactly because his shots are not on the uh so winning is trapped up you need to hit the button click over and you need to pay attention to it before the plunge there properly yeah so you can do it before the plunge you can set it up okay so he's sitting at 62 million right now he's still at a nine right now which is a little scary you know um oh no well he's still in multiball you've got that ball going around the hyperspace yeah so he's still you're still okay yeah he's also got a danger so he needs to be careful with that oh nice save there yeah and now it's out and now he's a normal two-ball play and sitting at 83 million he's getting so he's into the eight Target right now that's it he didn't know and he's not gonna get enough bonus I don't think to put him into the next one is he wow 86 so that's that's an eight that is an eight yes and again I I think more than anything it's unfamiliarity with the game uh that that gets you because I could see exactly where he was at he was trying to employ the strategy he was on here you know uh a few minutes ago and you know letting us know what his strategy was going to be for this um he executed what he did but then it was what do I do after yeah right and that's like me I'd be like what do I do after I've got no clue okay so we have John Garnett and he's sitting at 185 she's in pretty good shape right six or a seven yeah I mean it's six or five or six he's a five or six so you know you started TIE fighter multiball so he'll he'll get the five oh did he just start it yeah oh yeah it's over it's done now yep now TIE fighter multiball ain't easy to start either like it is what is that 50. you need a lot like he must have been bashing that thing all right I'm gonna move the rig over to sorcery you're gonna get a different grip for oh different group well no more my group is still playing okay sounds good do we have to move this stuff if that's the case no okay okay so we are going to move over to sorcerer you will see that there will be people playing on sorcerer that are not Josh John gym or Joe so just be wary you'll get some free um play on here and in a free preview of what we've done to this absolutely crazy setup for sorcerer uh this is I've never seen a setup like this uh any tournament that I've ever been into but what we'll do is is when uh the uh the camera does get onto it I'll give you a a tutorial on what they've done to this game and you can comment on whether or not if you think this is kosher or not because I'm on the fence on whether or not if you know why why the changes were made on this machine the way that it was it definitely makes it interesting nonetheless but um you know to go to the extent of what they've done to go ahead and modify this machine uh I do question but at the same time you know it is what it is you play the machine as it is and uh you know and like I say I I've seen a lot of people play it yesterday and it just gives you a little bit of a different strategy so it'll be very interesting to see uh here we go the action on this one so I don't know if all of you are familiar with this game uh sorcerer um definitely a a great game you see it a lot in competitions um you know what you're normally trying to do on this game is is you're normally trying to go ahead and lock your ball through this area that's in here now the funny thing about this game is is that normally there's big fat rubbers that are here right to make that shot difficult but what they've done to this game is is crazy in in that they've actually taken out the mech in into the feed for that um wrap and now you don't get credit for that long shot and thus you don't have multiball ever on this game so it takes that strategy right out of the game completely where you're not playing in a two ball you are not going ahead and spelling your sorcerer targets after you you get the two ball and you really you know changes the way that you play this game uh in general whereas you'll see a lot of people go back up into the lanes or you'll see people take little pot shots at the sorcerer targets to maybe light The Spinners in order to get their points that way but very very weird on how they've gone ahead and they've set this game up um but again it is what it is I played a little bit of it in practice I didn't get to play it yesterday so it'll be really interesting to see how how people strategize on this game not sure who's up here right now I don't have the names in front of me so again this is kind of some free play that you're gonna watch here so take it with a grain of salt and because I have no idea what the actual uh players are on this uh on this round I just put the target scores on so the target scores are going to be 400k on this game you've got 320 to 399 for six Strokes you've got 240 to 319 for seven strokes you've got 160 239 for eight Strokes you've got 80 to 159 on nine strokes and if you do not hit the 80k mark you're gonna get a big fat tent on this game so again you know I think it's fair Target score is pretty fair for a normal sorcerer that's out there I think you'll find though that this just isn't a normal sorcer so right now we're sitting at ball five and we've got a ton of people that have no scores because what is there to shoot for on this game when you go ahead and take out the scoop shot in the ramp shot so it'll be very interesting uh like I say uh when when when this when this group gets on here I really want to see the strategy that they employ uh and how they're going to go ahead and achieve this target score foreign again you are here at the 2019 ifpa pin Masters here at the flipper Spiel underground arcade club uh we are here uh you know for the entire weekend so uh keep keep tuned in um we'll be here Friday Saturday and for the playoffs on the Sunday uh this is a nine hole event um on two days so you're doing nine holes one day nine holes the next day the scores are added up together and ultimately Whoever has the best scores of the top 16 will advance to the Playoff round on the Sunday you'll notice the scoring the scoring is a little bit different in this format where you have under par and over par scores for this so think of it as if you if you uh in a five player game or a five ball game if you achieve a score of four that's going to give you an even score for that machine if you score three or under you're getting an under par if you score a five or greater you're getting an over par score on the game the better score that you have um will then advance you underneath those rules so it's a little bit different you'll see the target scores that are placed for the machines on each machine when they go through this process and what we're looking at right now is is that we are on sorcerer you'll see some practice time that's being done on here I believe this game is being played as a one player in a three-player game as well and the reason why it's being done that way is that on certain games if there is a a nudge or a tilt it can be susceptible to tilt throughs so they don't want to go ahead and disqualify a player for that underneath the ifpa rules if you go ahead and you tilt through on a player you're going to end up getting a zero on that on that score so what they do is is they play a one and a three uh player and then at that point if there is a tilt and it does do a tilt through it will tilt through to the third player and not affect the second player's score so well this is where we're at right now I think we're on hole six here um within this group and again the the scores are sitting at Jim belsito at 200 par we've got one under par for Joe Lemaire we've got five over par for Josh Sharpe and we have 10 over par for John Garnett um I don't know if the I don't know if the um if the standings page is available to everybody but feel free to go ahead and post the standings page every once in a while for people so that they can go ahead and they can click on the standings if possible I don't have access to that I'm on my own here Carl D'Python Anghelo has abandoned me um I'm getting various guests commentators that are over here helping me out every once in a while who are playing but bear with us you know I'm doing the best that I can on my own so thanks for joining in it's been a great event so far and yeah we're almost ready to take in some sorcerer here so again we have been following along with this group here with uh Josh and John and Jim and Joe so this is a pin golf event um a little bit different format than what you'd normally see based on uh I would say a golf scoring system whereas we have a course with nine holes each of those holes has been a set Target score that's been attached to them if you score a four that means that you've pretty well got a score of par like you would in golf anything that is anything that you shoot Less in three or less you'll be achieving a score of under par and anything that's over that you'll be achieving a score of over par so that's kind of how it works in a simplistic way you know when you're taking a look at the Target scores you get a five ball opportunity on each game and if you don't achieve that Target score in five balls then it goes by score and the scoring is for sorcerer is listed on there and if you achieve a score of you know 60 000 on this machine you're going to get a score of 10 instead of in some pin pin golf formats where you'd only get a score of six so again we got Josh Sharpe here he's just testing out the machine doing very slow things you've seen some shots as he was doing he's doing some drop catches he's just getting a real feel of some of the shots that are on on the machine again very important to utilize your you know 30 seconds of practice time wisely on these machines testing till doing all those types of things you'll see that every player will have their own way of how they want to get ready uh you know for their for their balls but it's I take that practice time pretty seriously because I want to make sure I can feel as many shots as I can okay so I think we're gonna get started here and we have Joe Lemaire that's going to get it started ball one so again it's going to be very interesting the strategy here uh you know or how is he going to get those sorcerer targets LED he's gonna have to earn every single one of them that he does on this and already he's down on ball one uh 35 000 on the first ball no it's what I don't know what you're gonna do on this game so it's like uh okay so the right orbit strategy is what I've been told is that you know some of the players are gonna incorporate in this um yeah letters are dangerous everything is dangerous on this game so that's definitely a good strategy to be safe try to get up in your lanes get your times going you know so here's Josh we'll see what's in store for him again the upper targets are also a you know good value up there as well too if you can actually get them all down again we're looking at a Target score of 400k so it's a grindy way of really getting a lot of scoring on the game but absolutely a viable strategy if you can manage to do them they are set on a timer so as soon as you hit one drop Target you know you have to do them in a certain amount of time and it looks like it is right orbit strategy here um you know makes a lot of sense going ahead and doing that it's fairly safe on this machine to go ahead and do that even when you miss you should be getting your ball back let's see if he goes for the spinner on the left or if he actually post passes and goes back yeah he is going to do that so again there is an orbit shot that you can do actually on the left hand side as well that I've seen people do but it seems that the safe route for a lot of people is to go up the right side now and take that left shot right out of the play it really turns the machine into a right shot machine you know by doing the adjustments like this so just a different way of playing it quite interesting um you know with some of these different setups because it forces you to play the game a little bit different so again post pass and we're going to go the right orbit again nice and safe oh and again you know you don't make that shot and you drain so very interesting that's 75k so you know decent start uh you know he's definitely not getting a 10 on this machine which is good but again you know he not a ton of progress and I think what ends up happening as well too is that I don't know if those sorcerer letters carry through ball to ball so this whole server that is don't carry through ball to ball then you've got even a more difficult time to go ahead and light those spinners for for points so again I think that's why a lot of people are going up top trying to get their multipliers just trying to keep the ball safe up on the top Playfield since they don't have that option of the ramp anymore yeah I'm not sure on the tilt on this machine uh uh you know I I you know yesterday it didn't seem overly sensitive as far as I know um but again I wasn't out there playing with the players either I was just watching so um there could be a little bit more sensitivity definitely on this machine so here we go with uh Joe again uh got it back up top he's almost got his Lanes completed there that'll give him some bonus if he's able to go ahead and do that a bonus multiplier again it looks like even the the post pass isn't uh you know even uh for sure thing on this yeah see some Danger so there was some Danger on the post past um missed the orbit shot and down the left hand it's just left hand side yeah I don't know how to play this game right now it's uh you know are you just better off pot you know hitting those sorcerer targets they're just as dangerous as everything else is on here so very interesting it's nice getting to take a look at this because when I get up on there I don't know what I'm gonna do on this machine to tell you the truth so here comes Josh Sharpe he is going to Punch full he's got two Targets wasn't able to get the third and orbit so he did hit that shot very well there and oh good save again even coming out of the pops they're a little bit of danger you see a post pass wasn't able to execute he did get the letter though on the backhand side which was great he's only got four letters to go um now what do you do you know do you still do orbit or do you take some pot shots he's gonna go orbit so he's got uh three and he's almost got the multiplier the first multiplier at two times lit oh oh nice save very nice nudge and again a nice pot shot there he's only got two Targets left the spell Source or does he take Hot Shots now he's only got two left no he's going orbit all day long he's not messing around at all with those sorts of targets now he's only got one left what does he do now does he go for it yes he does and he drains unfortunately unbelievable all that work get that Swisher lit get that spinner lid and blah you're done but again 222 solid score on the second ball from Josh so you know he's he's halfway there he's made good progress so far so you know just a matter of him going ahead and trying to execute again again unfortunately on these games you start all over from scratch so he's gonna have to get all those sorcerer targets again you know he doesn't get his multipliers he doesn't have anything really going on that ball he's just gonna have to keep on grinding at it and try to see if he can either spell the sorcerer targets or keep on going up that orbit and collecting his uh his multipliers Joe's probably waiting for this machine to settle a little bit I think there's a little bit of a push there that was done by Josh and Joe steps up gonna do the four plunge he's only got one more left in order to get a multiplier okay so now he's on his he's got one left for a multiplier and he's got it so now he's got a two times lit which is a good start and he's up there again good nudge there get it out of that out lane he does have a few letters that are lit and he's probably gonna post past here get back into the orbit and there it goes nice shot to the left orbit or right orbit and now he's got still only two Targets lit up there so he's gonna have to hit at least one more shot up there maybe two in order to get his times going so you've seen a pot shot there interesting that he's employing that there's a little half flip you know that that may be a reasonable strategy on this maybe do a half flip to those sorcerer targets and keep that ball going a little slower and a little safer when you make those shots and unfortunately drains out when he hit that sorcerer Target there so again yeah it's that's why you're seeing the right or the right orbit strategy on this um anytime you hit the sorcerer targets you know he could be draining so 142. he's sitting here right now at a nine uh if the ball were to end right now so he still has two more balls to go ahead and improve that um so I think he's in still pretty good shape there um a little less than halfway but you know definitely doable well Josh is in good shape here 222 doesn't have any lanes lit yet so he's gonna have to earn those for sure oh good save get it back under control and right orbit a little bit of a brick there and he's gonna go ahead and pass that over again and fire it through again hey you gotta hit that dead on if you don't hit that shot dead on it's going to come back but at least it comes back safe when you go ahead and do that and fires through nope like this game is he epitome of patient play because you've really got to be super patient to go ahead and play this it's uh there he goes right back up so you'll have two lanes now and hopefully gets it back on the flipper yeah very nice passed it perfectly onto the left flipper and back up and halfway but he's gonna be able to trap that very nicely again oh nice alley pass now it's a little bit out of control I'm sure that he wants to get this back under control oh very nice shot to the left orbit great shooting sitting here at 277 so he's getting closer another right orbit oh just a little bit late oh late again oh we saved it excellent oh Danger hi and he's got the suit time so now he's starting to collect some bonus which is huge because again he's getting very close to that Target score that's over there so all this bonus is really going to help him if he can get one more times going here he might have what he needs in order to go ahead and complete this let's see what he's got does he have the hundred does he have it does he have it no so he's at 3 40 right now very very close um after ball three so he's got a great chance on getting it in ball four how you doing good good you want to come on this you want to come help me on the commentating we'd love to have you oh look at that we have ourselves a celebrity in the booth oh my God we have the one and only Roger sharp that's coming in and helping us with the stream yeah okay throw her on how you doing Roger I am doing yeah yeah awesome thanks for coming and helping us out here my pleasure it's pretty lonely over here by myself you know it's been uh it's been a grind for about you know three hours here uh doing this but we're having a lot of fun there's a lot of good pinball that's been played here watching your son play quite a bit and I noticed the ups and downs you know the tides and tribulations that he's been going through well I gathered that the machines are you know a little bit tough today they are and you've played in this event before haven't you I have yes so what what did you think about this event I thought it was great yeah I wish that the couple of times that I have played in it I would have done better but uh it was it was a good experience liked it and it's another you know another way to approach uh competition for pinball setting up Target scores and saying okay here this is what it is for power birdies and so on I still remember I had uh a friend who I play with in League uh you name it in Alberta and uh came to his first Nationals played in pin Masters and he ended up being in your group Ryan James oh okay and he still talks to it to this day going oh my God I can't he didn't even care about kid Masters he didn't care about qualifying he says I got to play in a full round with Roger sharp that was one of the best things that was ever he was such a cool guy to play with well good so it's awesome well hopefully I didn't play too bad for him yeah it's awesome that you have that impact and I think that's you know whenever you get into a group of someone you always have that impact everybody loves playing with you you're such a great guy and a great person to be around I appreciate it thank you so we got sorcerer here and what would you do here Roger like this have you I don't know if you've ever played a sorcerer where the most so what the hell do you do on this game when you don't have a multiball you know obviously it's going to be Spinners uh you know I'm playing later in the afternoon uh and watching how people are doing passes over and just going spinner spinner spinner um I don't know what the feed is going to be off the ramp and whether or not that's going to buy me anything at least in terms of the top three Bank yes but back in the day that's what you know we would have done and you know admittedly just the curvature of the target bank and the front is not great but if there's a Target that you still need and trying to remember what the rule set is do I go for it that's right I try to finish off the rack so so there's a little bit of a risk reward element in here so if you've got maybe one target maybe two Targets on that sorcerer now you change up your strategy and you actually go for a pot shot on those so that you can get that spinner lit for a thousand spin so and that becomes key so I I think I I honestly like the way that the scores are going in here I think I think you got to get something lit on here in order to achieve that 400k because there's nothing else to do on the machine like sure you can you can go up on the lanes you can get your five times going in that but that's a lot of shots up to the orbit and you hit that orbit successfully in order to do it well and unless you have enough alcohol bonus it's five times what yes it's five times nothing agreed agreed but again that's just you know an old preference of mine in terms of how I would approach it my other concern having not played it and I know that you guys have not only today but you know many of you yesterday is uh how strong is everything now that they've been on for so long and watching Josh before on screen struggling to make that shot up the right side well my tolerance if you will of pain off a flipper becomes less and less and less and you know playing tonight I can only imagine that's going to really be a much more precision based shot I think you're gonna find that left flipper is going to get mushier and mushier and mushier right you know which leads me going back to something that's going to be totally different than everybody else probably and you know knowing knowing that nobody is going to play the right flipper I'm probably going to go for the ram yeah and and you know what maybe with that left being so mushy now maybe it takes all the momentum off of those sorcerer targets maybe those sorcerer Chargers start becoming a viable option now they're gonna have to right so it's it's really interesting you may see one strategy that's employed in the morning but then you might see another strategy that's employed later on in the night and I think for some of the older games that are in the pop in the lineup that tends to be the case so you know you just have to manage whatever your own personal expectations are as well as from my way of thinking when it comes to pinball where's your comfort zone and it may be something that is you know totally against what everybody's doing but if you're comfortable with it and you can maximize but of course my sons tend to joke that our father is somebody who will hit a ramp just because he likes it even if it's not worth anything he'll do it over and over and over again well it's the most satisfying shot on the Playfield so that's why I want to shoot it I'm I'm playing pinball for fun here well more or less so we have Jim belsito here he is on his first ball and I don't know if he's taking practice time here I think he I think that they get their practice time um I wasn't noticing that's why he's kind of fooling around here and just taking just seeing where everything is yeah I got caught on that a few times uh in here and the stream's going hey he's only practicing oh yeah that's right so I think I've learned my lesson now after the seventh Hole uh how are you doing are you enjoying it I am I I always have fun when I come here so you know it's it's you know living in image in Alberta we don't get um you know a lot of the big tournaments and stuff like that you know we host a pinball Expo every year in Amazon which is our one big event that we have gotcha um but it sure is nice coming down and you know it's just what I like is a social aspect meeting different people you know hanging out you know with the group that we have and there's just so many great players that you can learn strategies off and new ways of playing games and sure it's just a fun time so I do enjoy coming here and uh and glad that I made the trip out again this year and and did the double double where I was in Texas last week and welcome to this this week so it's nice I could fit them both in excellent so what have you been doing you've been keeping busy I am as a matter of fact I I have my full-time gig which is with a slot machine company heading up brand licensing and then I do uh Consulting work so if I joke with the boys about being Sunny retired it's only when I'm asleep [Laughter] excellent well it's good you got to keep the mind busy right well I think so I'm not ready to just call it a day well you are a legend and I'm like really happy that you came here today it's just it's it's phenomenal and uh you know it and just the Insight that you have especially you know on a number of these games where you've been playing them for years um I wish you know I had the knowledge that you have with the pinball machines that you have the designing work that you've done on them you know all the background that you have just adds a lot to the stream so again you know people are so happy that you're on here oh good really appreciate the time oh somebody did just do that they did they did the ramp and it came nice with the nice teams and it seemed Fairly reliable like it was you know that there was a lot of strength on that flipper in order to do that right well and that was in the old days that's how you used to play it and you try to bang on those uh that type Target Bank yes which had some meaningful points although I know the timer's a little bit off on it it's been tough sledding to try to get any of those Target Banks down with the timing the timer that's on there I haven't seen anybody clear one successfully uh since I've been watching well the part that I find fascinating at least for me and my perspective is watching older games being played with new style and the approach that people are taking you know we never would have thought of doing things in a particular way that now is just kind of like standard yeah it's pretty interesting with the shads with you know just different just different Advanced flipper skills that are going on the tip passing all this different stuff that has really changed the game well and we used to play it so that you know it wasn't a question of really looking at where's the weak point in a game where I can rape it we tended to play the entire board and obviously with Sorcerer And I guess why they did it the key with this always was get in the multiball relock both get your multiplier up and now go For Broke you betcha yeah it does and it changes the total strategy on the game um I like it because it you know it does force you to play the game in a different way it does you know and it's not so boring watching it as well either because now it's like okay well now they have to do something else what are they going to do now now there's a few things that they may want to do instead of just doing that one strategy all the way through right well and it also helps in terms of just the time for the game agreed because this does a little other than just playing it forever agreed and I know in pinball League that we have in Chicago there's a couple of houses where there are Sorcerers and it's like I know that nobody ever wants to play them because they're going to play too long okay but potentially with this kind of a fix it could change everything yeah yeah and there's only so much you can do like you can put in great big rubbers on that ramp there's all sorts of stuff you can do but if you can't create Danger on the machine people are going to still keep on doing the shot right right yep and they'll just keep doing it over and over and over again we've seen it you know a lot of competition players you know we're we're adamant we're gonna make that damn shot and if you don't make it dangerous we're gonna keep on doing it right over and over again hey Jeff how you doing well here there's some nice flow that's going on there is a couple of targets left on the bank and I believe we're out of practice now right so I think so so this is um John Garnett who is stepping up on this first ball right now he's sitting at about 50 000 oh over a hundred thousand points now nice excellent uh Target score is 400k on this game uh so again he's got a great start he's already at the point where he's got a nine stroke so he's really really uh making some good progress he's got the spinner lid too yep I noticed wow too bad oh the spinner would have really really helped a little bit early on there he had the golden opportunity there and uh yeah he had all the and he was taking pot shots like he wasn't right you know he wasn't doing the orbit strategy he was he was going for those sorcerer targets and and it worked for him I really like uh I like the different strategies because I think you're going to see something else from Jim like you might see a different more controlled aspect to it sure um but it'll be interesting to see how he how he tackles this well and again it's risk and reward yes ultimately it's a question of all right I have a lit spinner what's that's going to be worth to me yes how many revolutions can I get is it going to be ten thousand twenty I don't think it's going to be any more than that it's going to be in that range so if I can go back and it's interesting because you wind up looking at this strategically saying all right I'm going to play it one way to start yep I'm going to go back to the top back to the top let me pass it over back to the top oh wait I have a Target left or two now I'm going to go for that so now I can go back over there and now I can take my thousands yes Here Comes Plan B Here Comes plan C right exactly absolutely uh Jim just got murdered on that first ball he got toasted on me like what do you do yeah it's just one of those things you just house bald and what do you do not a whole lot unfortunately no there's no ball safe yes oh but I think I think oh oh that's right because he was on they're playing one in three thank you internet see caught me again internet I tell you did you find my reading glasses on I could see that I lost my glasses here so I've been struggling uh yes so Jim is now playing and he's playing his ball one gotcha which is good because I tell you that last one was crazy yeah here we go in these yeah he's going right orbit pretty well yeah he just tried the ramp once yeah it'll be interesting to see if he gets it on the right side if he tries to transfer or not that'll that'll be the Telltale sign if he's actually you know going full orbit or if he's actually gonna try for the round when it's available to him go there let's see he is yeah so he's going Orbit on the left side interesting so I did see people do that yesterday they were doing that orbit on the left and on the right when they had the opportunity Josh chose to go ahead and actually go to the left side every time um oh no it's a shame so we're seeing three different strategies already on this game which is very interesting well and the other part in all honesty if I'm going to miss the ramp and Jen just did whether he's going for it or not you have the alleyway that gets you back to the Top Lane that's right absolutely and the rate orbit isn't a given either no because I watched Josh you know he he was too early on it right he went down the middle so you know I honestly there are a few ways to play this uh sorcerer that's here today absolutely and probably why they made the changes they did you know it's like I say this really is one of those games where it is kind of a one strategy game right it can be I'm just interested in seeing the exit points that's always been more important to me all right the ball goes here now where is it going to exit so I can be prepared and at what velocity yeah another one that was tough yes there's not much you can do when you're getting off the top part of a sling yeah is you know a 50 50 proposition at that point invested yep you know you just hope for the best absolutely you try to know the best you can but then when you're in it's like oh God please go on the in Lane we we are here at the ifpa pin Masters 2019 uh at flippersfield arcade club uh we are here uh with myself Derek Thompson and the legend himself Roger sharp thank you very much Roger for coming here commentating with us we really appreciate all your Insight we are watching sorcerer and Jim belsito is on Deck and as we said before it's a question of flipper strength now because that one he looked like he made a good solid contact point with it yeah it seems like it's not as reliable because as it was yesterday so Jim's got 100K right now that's getting him into the nine stroke range so he's definitely you know it's ball too still early you know he's still got some opportunity there um you know we've got John who's up here next he's got 214k in a good spot half the target is done right you know I'm I'm really interested in seeing if he changes his strategy now because he went for those sorcerer Targets on his first ball is he going to change it up now or is he still going to go with that risky strategy of going hitting hitting those targets again well it's gonna be twofold it's what I was mentioning before what's his comfort zone and does it work strategically with where he wants to get to absolutely so we will see this oh three lanes up there that's really nice yeah when you get those freebies you take them you do a little early okay let's see where he goes here we'll go try he tried for the orbit for sure there he goes very nice shot make the lane change oh but he got the he got the value on the on the drops God Living Dangerously here he is he's only got three targets left now oh nice save very nice no oh it's gone yeah good run though he's at 3 20. 20 32 so he's almost there he's getting there yeah again fast and loose yep you know and and he's getting to where he needs to get to well the key for that was unfortunately he missed the multiplier yes the multiplier would have helped him a little bit probably would have gave him another 20 30k I think absolutely yes a little behind I think I think he'd like to be in a little better position here right now but let's see what he can do that's the nice thing about pinball all it takes is one ball absolutely [Music] very nice control probably an orbit shot here I would think all right and there it goes and coming back but it comes back nice feet here yes it does so now does he post or does he go for the orbit on the left side let's see I think he's gonna go left oh he tried for the orbit shot in there yeah I don't think he's going for the ramp nope right orbit yeah oh coming back down pretty safe though all right let's see left orbit again I think oh no change it up yeah forget this and missed it missed that multiplier oh back over oh careful so now he's got three sorcerer targets left it's like now it's decision time right right [Laughter] I think it's going to go right and there goes orbit yeah yeah not messing around see and I'm not fooling around all right going back again but again fairly safe strategy right even when I miss I'm still gonna be under control [Music] and yeah that rubber got in the way all right gently go for the spinner back up to the top and there he goes line it up and he's got his two times excellent that's his first one all right now now decision time [Laughter] it happens I'd like to see a pot shot here well you can either go for the yeah he was going for the pot shot he was I probably would do the left yeah he took one shot at was like I don't know about that one right I tell if he gets one more though careful in this Lane yes Things Are he's okay now slowed it down no oh yeah all right and back up oh that's where Josh dreamed down the middle when he missed yep oh very much better and a nice tip shot too that's right off the tip and on that return wound up getting another sorcerer yeah he's only got two now he's going forward he's saying I'm now the one yeah I'm going for it hold your breath and Hope I think it's better from this flipper for that yeah I do there he goes quite safe there right now you can pass yes all day long now wow oh side to side that's always dangerous all right and there he goes oh just missed the spinner there oh just did not get a shot at it nope wow that was a lot of work you know he had the one shot on the left spinner if he could have just made that it would have got it probably back under control for him uh being back up top just unfortunate so we have 332 here so very close to the Target score right ball four so you know he's looking right now that the worst that he could get is a six so Now's the Time to get greedy you know let's let's get this thing through and let's get that Target and more importantly now off the plunger let's get the multiplier going absolutely yeah it's the little things right it's like okay well you know I know I need to get this target score that's in here but you know what I've only got one lane that needs to be done so let's get that done let's start that off all right got it and now you just might see it orbit action until he gets it nice all right oh yeah this is nice you got two and you're you're probably scoring some points on those Lanes as well too when you're ready it's gonna be close yeah I don't know if he's got it 382. yep fortunate so Jim here at 299 um made a lot of progress on that last ball he's sitting here at a worst case scenario is seven so you know there's still a couple balls left I think again you know he's he's gonna I think he's gonna keep for the same strategy he's gonna be orbiting all day long uh he's gonna try to grind it out to that 400 right and keep it as safe as he can one would think one would think we'll see if the game allows him to do that they're not careful that is a tough tough roll that's a hell of a save that he made there yep gently oh now he's got it under control pass over I'm thinking I don't know there he goes orbit okay yeah I think this is the safe route right now where he's sitting at right now another orbit shot oh no oh nice save careful on those slings yeah they are they're active yes they are and there goes no a much harder shot on the Fly I was just gonna say yep now plant and there you are very nice now he's getting quite close he's sitting at 336 right now all right pass I wow wow okay that works so I think he may have it here in um I think it's only in decent shape let's see so I think he's gonna play her pretty safe here no no tilting anymore because he did already do a couple dangers I think I think all right keep it going yeah 381 very very close to the Target score right now at 400. he's on Ball Four I'll do a passing shot over oh interesting yeah you know what he could be right now he may know that he has the Target and now he's trying to maybe do some pot shots in areas where maybe he wouldn't know right gotcha you know like the good players are interesting yep very well four uh that's an excellent score for Jim that they'll give him a score of even on that hole and keep him at minus two for the tournament so far which is great I know the scores have been pretty high today yeah yeah you know what they're enlarge it was so funny because when we followed this group Jim was actually at 600 at one point so I'm thinking man the scores are going to be really hot like really low for this event right but over time it's gotten a little a lot harder for these guys right I hear you he's only got eight eight to go all right there he goes he got it in Lane got the double uh switch hit on that and it was done yep so he scores a five on the machine uh that will put him at one over par for this hole and put him at a plus 11 for the tournament okay yes nothing to you know nothing to be sad about you know what it's I think this is one of those games where you know you take your par you walk to the next hole and you wanna yeah you just you know I think I can do better on a better game I'll just go to the next game and let's do that well the analogy would go for those who play it yeah you know you find yourself looking at certain holes that's right where it's like all right I have a chance here for a birdie or for a par versus others or it's like if I can just get you know a six and get a bogey on that par five I'll be fine and let me move on to the next one that's right and you have to really kind of look at the totality of all the various games and try to determine our which are the ones that you know that you can really have a run on yeah versus the others where you're going to be doing some chopping of wood which ones are my real par fives that I can take advantage of exactly the truth that's the beauty of the format because there are some in here where you know you step up to it and you're expecting okay I know I can cheat low on this I just gotta execute what I need to do on the machine and I know I can do it uh there's others that are on there that you're going You're sweating bullets on and going God if I walk out here with a bar I'm laughing I hear you so we are going to be moving machines once more I believe okay um I believe this was the eighth game I think they have one more to go if I remember correctly again folks are piling in here for the yeah the next two times yeah so what do you know who you're with and you're uh I do not yeah I don't either so I'm really interesting to see you know what uh who I get paired up with we'll see what the boys have lined up for me yeah who they want to have be painfully along with me for the ride well I tell you when I was talking with Ryan you just you know you're just such a great guy to be around and it's just you know you make it real fun and you know you just uh you know very easy going and you know and sometimes players need that you know especially ones that are you know really into things right I enjoy it when I play with the player that's really loose and just you know wants to talk the talk and you know just has a fun time you know playing on the machines and it helps me out it makes me a better player when that happens and I think in all honesty and again my my competitive days are long gone but if you can't have fun when you come out and you tense up you're not really giving yourself the benefit of whatever skills you do have I agree I think if you walk up to a game and just you know whether it's taking a deep breath whatever process you need and just know all right I'm going to do the best that I can and if it beats me it beats me and if it doesn't it doesn't and there's going to be times where I'm going to get hosed there's going to be other times where wow that's right and it balances out so you know it's a good model in life everything evens out I've always believed you know for this and for so many other things that you can't take it too seriously and I know that often with many different events that are out there the stakes are so high that you put that extra pressure on yourself and you know you wind up going back to your hotel your house or whatever else and before you can go to sleep you're just thinking about all the times that you should have done something in a particular way and you didn't for whatever the reason was yeah and if you were to really kind of take a further step back you would realize that was just me I was too anxious I was too slow my concentration was split yep I know I've been in that situation and uh you know he you know and for instance you qualify really high in a tournament you've got a buy in the Playoff round and you put up a stinker right you know right in that first round and you know because the pressure's on you you qualified High obviously people are looking at you going oh oh this guy must be pretty damn right this is somebody we've got to be on the lookout for that's right and then you put up a couple sneakers right away and it's over right just like that so yeah and it's tough you know in a competition setting I find yes skill is there and you definitely you have to hit your shots you got to be accurate You Gotta have game knowledge got to have all that type of stuff but you also have to have a very strong mental aspect as well for competition pinball because it is of skill that is required when you get up to these levels and when you're playing when you're playing at this level everybody is good yep and the difference is the people that can mentally take that in and to execute when they need to execute at a certain time well and then the other part from my perspective is just pacing absolutely you can't lay it all out on a line each and every time yes you know there's going to be we were just talking before there's going to be a game that you're going to play where it's a one ball Game yes and if you can just do it on one ball fantastic even if it's your third ball or your second or whatever and there's others where you're going to be grinding and you're just waiting for that one that one time of Rhythm where you're making a shot another shot and another shot and you're three or four shots into a sequence and everything is just flowing up those are the magic moments well that's what keeps people coming back to play Pinball I love these end moments I love when nothing can happen for me to drain that ball no matter what I do no matter what dumb flip that I do I can just keep that thing alive for some reason well and you're not thinking yes you're just reacting to it yeah and you're almost seeing three shots ahead of you yeah you know because you're just in that zone right I remember those days you probably still got a few more left in you every once in a while so we are waiting for a machine I believe okay does that look like Game of Thrones that we're waiting for because to me it looks like someone's playing on it and that's why there's a delay so bear with us um we are here at the 2019 ifba pin Masters here at flip for Spiel and the arcade club in Las Vegas I am here with the legend Roger sharp and you have me to put up with all day here Derek Thompson I will soon be out of here I will soon be playing and you guys can critique me as I'm going through here and seeing how bad the scores end up being uh for me on here since I've been doing the same here for the past four hours with this group I'm definitely not watching what I'm doing so it's all good well we're having a line um if you've never been here before come down it's a great tournament it's a very nice place Josh I was there last year and now they've moved yes it's a great venue yeah yeah it's very uh very intimate yeah yeah absolutely but the games look like they're all in good shape and that's half the battle they've held up very nicely I think considering how much play was on them yesterday and for the amount of play that's going on today yeah I think they're playing really well and you're right it looks like we're getting set up for Game of Thrones a little got is it yes okay I love this game you know a lot about this game I know a little bit to be almost dangerous to myself okay do you know what to do if if you're stuck on Zac Stark mode no tell me let me write down notes wait a minute I need a pen and a paper because this ain't your normal got unfortunately no I know so they've kind of set it up a little bit differently they always do right they got to make something weird right and and this is another one uh where they've gone ahead and they've done a couple things to this machine so the first thing that they've done on this machine is you can see this little spot right here yes they put a post in there so it's bumped that's right so it usually bumps right over to your right but now it bumps over to your left right um the other thing that they've done on here is they've actually set this to what you'd call you know not not the advanced mode where you can pick your modes but they've said it so that you're only on Zac Stark the start so you get a host right away so what that helps with is that you know you've already got a host completed you only need three more for hand of the King right um to get into your wizard modes but it does change your strategy quite a bit by having that because you just can't go ahead and and get the houses that you want lit and then go for your multiballs so what you'll see a lot of people doing on this machine is they will be going you know for these lockers get those locks going once they have the log shot then they'll be going right up the middle to go ahead and make sure that they've got that lock Target which I noticed uh when I was watching last night that left flipper wasn't necessarily making it all the time it seemed like it was a much tighter shot it absolutely is on the left-hand side if you want to get up the middle a lot of times on a got I won't even try it and I'll just post pass to the right and then shoot it from the right hand side all depending on how it's set up and how it does sometimes a half ramp on this if you get it from the left side can be deadly too I was just gonna say it can go right down the middle yeah so you just have to be very careful with it and then what you want to do is is once you've got those lock shots and you've got two and two in the bank you want to make sure that you've got you know one or better hoses yep started lid right yep and then once you have that now you can really start going and getting to that Target score that you need at 400 which is it's 400 it is so it's no messing around I played with this at 250 before I played at this at 300 and I can tell you every time that I've played on no matter what the target score is it's been hard gotcha right so it's going to be very interesting to see how they go ahead and go through this oh maybe we're not let's let's try this oh Star Trek no Wild Rose what do we got where's Game of Thrones Roger probably knows how to use this stuff better than I do never there we go oh there we go I missed it all right there we go we've got ourselves Game of Thrones whoops all right I can't see that Target Square can you see what that is uh I cannot 150 excellent just stepped into the booth right now is the voice of pinball in Canada the one and only only Canada only Canada I know I know Jeff teolis welcome hello boys Derek Roger always nice to see I actually just sat down for the sake of sitting down and I wanted to hear so I can learn what's going on in my three o'clock tee off time there you are yeah so you know you hit all the flashing shots yes yeah on whatever game if it's Flash and hit it Roger and I got to play a little bit of Beatles a on was it Thursday Wednesday at the Arcade Expo yes I think it was Wednesday Wednesday I've lost track of time so have I trust me fun game you just played it like it was sea witch didn't you be honest I did hitting the dirt hitting the drops I did I was going for multipliers very nice not wanting to do 7x because then it Cycles back down yeah hit hit the Linux right that's the strategy well it isn't it isn't so but I enjoy it I think it's a great game a lot of fun what's with your sons plus five here I don't know he had that he took a nine on Attack From Mars that was the uh I noticed that one that hurt him he's had a few in his house yep very very unjust like well you've got the good son and Zach who won it all last night absolutely yeah he's probably your favorite too isn't he there's always a black sheep in Every Family let's be honest yes yeah unfortunately I wasn't able to stay awake long enough to watch everything at the very very end I was hurting and I Was Here Local and I was in my hotel room like okay come on come on but I mean it was great to see the Highlight for me last night and congratulations to Zach was watching Carrie Wing play oh well Maureen as well too for that matter but carry on Attack From Mars and when she got the the billion hurry up like I lost I I know everyone went crazy here I went nuts too yeah that's awesome that's that's a good highlight when you can deliver in the finals like that oh nothing bad and she's so cool and just so accurate I mean I joined in when she and Louise were playing Source uh not sorcerer what was it uh baracorda and she was nailing the left ramp over and over again I'm like man not surprised all final four players were so good in the women's well I was gonna say the women's competition was phenomenal really was yeah incredibly entertaining and the skills you know Bar None that's getting better and better every year I tell you like I played uh Louise who was in the women's uh tiebreaker and we were in the finals and uh okay she's a hell of a competitor yeah you must have won a lot of fans beating Louise yeah I don't think there's a lot of people in that room cheering for me at that moment I'm Canadian but I was rooting for Louise too yeah yes only because you passed me there you go oh danger double danger careful oh there's just this is practice time okay yeah okay yes all right don't worry I've been calling on it about 10 times now now I've I'm kind of conditioned where I kind of know when the practice time you know what I'm glad we're getting some practice time on this boy but just watching this on the stream and here seeing that right orbit the little rubber post shooting it out there nasty yes it is not getting to pick your modes uh starting off with Greyjoy Zac Stark is already lit that's right yeah that I've been used to I mean I've seen that uh set up in a number of tournaments yes just as an equalizer for everybody I like that too I think it's a great setup to tell you the truth uh just because the modes aren't fully balanced on this game so I think it's a great balance to go ahead and do that I agree I think setup is really important on machines it's all about showing the skill of the competitors that are out there and not necessarily who has the best rules knowledge or who else and you want it to be a Level Playing Field for everybody absolutely Derek and Roger I noticed something that Josh is doing and something last night when I was watching the stream this was a very difficult game to post pass on for some reason I don't know why players were having a lot of trouble on this that's probably why you were seeing a lot of people taking left ramp shots when you wouldn't normally see it at the left flipper okay um that was my comment to you earlier it was like I've noticed how difficult it was from the left flipper which tends to be much smoother I mean I enjoy the left flipper shot personally but seeing everybody struggling it's like all right maybe that's not the way to go I can't I just again in observing some of the games you've probably if you've been watching the stream for a while you've noticed watching that kick out on Tron yeah love it it's it's so strong yeah yep it's gonna break the flipper off yes if you hold that up so we do have Josh Sharpe here he is starting his first ball and on Game of Thrones all right let's see what he can do oh boy well that was a quick one that was a quick one yes it looked like he hit the Catapult and and that was it man there wasn't much else that he could do on that and I don't know what the value would have been for the Catapult versus all right let's just go back and see if we can get a Lockwood you betcha yeah and that's important on this game I think um it's all about trying to progress yes and those log shots are so dangerous as they are that you want to pick them off whenever you can well I also like the three Bank on the left where at least the out lane I can get a ball back for sure but even those aren't a gimme either when you hit them no you know both of those Targets on either side are quite dangerous when you hit them you just don't know if you're gonna get your ball back nice nudge very nice tight tilts I mean it's uh very nice so lock one yep Zach got a couple of nice dangers last night he got the one single danger then another one and he took a big deep breath when he got to continue playing I wonder if he'll go Nero three deep again yeah you never know that seemed to be the uh strategy for so many people it was pretty interesting I've seen that by a few players so I'm not surprised that like for pin golf for the pin Master yeah I don't know if he'll go there necessarily because you might change up I was talking to Carl d'angel and he was saying he's thinking about doing it well that's his last game right now okay interesting well Carl will be back here and we can ask him that very question when he comes back yep the best thing Carl has done this entire week other than the stream is that he teased myself about this great sushi restaurant and I said when you go on Saturday night I'm like I gotta play at three the best thing he did he said we'll wait for you so Carl D'Python Anghelo you sir are a God among men there you go did you hit your Steakhouse Roger uh no Circus Circus no did not make it this time I still can't believe that's the place to go that is the place to go so he does have a black water going he does um he doesn't have a house going there no oh no that's why he shook his head when he when he took it yep yeah so this this will be lower value for sure um but you know if you do well in it and you'll get your exes up maybe you know maybe you can make something out of it yes but it is pretty tough sledding in here right now I hate wasting a lot of light when you've got three balls of multiple oh I know all right a little control here all right now start setting it up yeah I just got to get some lit lights Roger can I ask you your son Josh um loves the lack of ball save can I ask somebody who's a little more experienced a better player what you think of that or you know I started playing pinball when there was something called the house ball I still remember a situation and it's going to really date me even more so when I was in college and we were at the local bar in Madison Wisconsin and uh dear friend of mine tilt it out all four balls and his total score was one nice and we've just left our asses off we got we had one hit off of a bumper or whatever else tilted and obviously we were a few drinks in for the night but he tilted out the rest of his game he had one point wow so to answer the question I think that you know depending on the game [Music] I think a ball safe even if it's only once during the course of the game yep is okay but I think with many of the games and the way that they're set up um probably not okay for tournaments we're talking about yeah that's why yeah but that's what I'm saying in general if you're putting money into a machine on location yeah definitely yeah and and a ball save on every ball sure but my whole attitude in terms of games and Commercial operation and I've said this when I've talked at different events no match no replay what wow interesting everything should be unedible okay okay all right isn't that interesting yeah if you're you know let's go back to the days where you had you know X number of inline targets four or five in a row find a ballet game all I have to do is make four shots make the fifth hit the bullseye I got a special great yeah no and part of that is I'm biased because uh the majority of my game playing lives in Wisconsin okay yeah and everything was unedible and the beauty of that it's a continuation of play it should not be so much of a shock if I live in a video game environment where I'm getting an extension to play I can't believe Jim is just crushing this game yeah he's doing he's doing very well here and uh just making a number of shots in a difficult spot that he put himself in by not having those houses he's really come back here he's playing very well uh Kiss of Death sorry yeah sorry geez Jeff you know you changed your subject and he ends up well I noticed uh ezelman saying meanwhile belsito's on his way to a great ball one no kidding yep I looked up I'm like wow 117. it's always a kiss a dad isn't it but soon but it's edible I blame I blame itzel man all right the Game of Thrones there have been two number there have been two hole in ones David Johnston did it and so did Zach wallins oh okay San Francisco excellent falcita was close yep there's John Garnett he's stepping up to his first ball see what he's got in store for us see what he plays I'm really interested to see how people play well and I'm curious to see people soft plunging versus going all the way up yeah fairly safe this game like I just don't think the feed is there where I want the soft equal in case you in case you get a bad hop you know you get to plunge again yeah the 1 million is probably not worth it foreign so Roger he's passed the score of one that you just gave us that story on I noticed 400 is the Game of Thrones version of one but again look at that he got on the right feed because it missed that pose completely when it came down there so that's quite interesting as well too so does he take yeah I saw some inconsistencies with that yesterday when I was watching so we did not take a pot shot at the Lock oh see I'm not going Center until the Lock's lit that's same with me so that's that's interesting what the choice that he made there so he took Greyjoy grader is very difficult to complete yeah it's on a quick timer but but he did a great job there the first shot should be your Center shot when you're in a great job right get it back to the right flipper then I usually go left orbit yeah okay and and then if I'm stupid I'll go for the uh the dragon I just do dragon all day long come on [Applause] I want to shoot the shot that's the most fun and that's the most fun on the game all right so I have to ask on this Dragon because I find it on a number of Game of Thrones that I've played does the right Flipper die on you oh when it goes back yeah is that strong I've had that before just wondering yeah yeah that's always such a satisfying feeling yes the average pin Master's score for Game of Thrones up to this point is 5.04 so it's it's a very very hard yeah for sure so this is not an easy target this is the ones where you take your par and you walk off and you go to the next hole gotcha so far statistically the easiest game and none of them are easy the easiest game has been drawn with an average of 3.97 and the most difficult is funny enough it's Black Rose 5.7 interesting yeah that is very interesting huh I thought Abracadabra would be tough at 30. um but I've seen three people get hole in ones including Trent Will McKinney and Thomas Irvin yeah are you getting I mean it's probably impossible to get one two three four on the first ball unless you get some lucky inlanes but maybe some good pops it's got to be yeah you get good pop action on that get a few thousands get those super jackpots on there you know all right here comes that one it goes in the in the crevice and you're just getting pop bumper pop-up Here Comes Junior trying to add to his plus five score it is an 18 hole you know he's not done even though he's actually he's just below the cut line well and he's sitting really pretty now got the one bad ball out of the way sure everything's available to him there see no yeah smart there uh so ball one is locked you might see him take another pot shot here oh wow trying to get under control yeah and here's a lock oh tried he tried another difficult thing I've been noticing on the left flipper is the center shot now Zach was nailing it last night oh just two that took forever to get there yeah it's it's tight there's no question about it I I I've been told and I don't know if this is true Josh does have some violent tendencies but that's just what I'm hearing I might have started that rumor so to see him out there I don't know not surprised all I know is his choice of language has not come from well either myself or his mother yeah can't say the same about his grandmother but we won't go there are a few colorful people at Raw Thrills let's be honest yeah really so again we're gonna be waiting here for a little bit just because there was a oh yeah I chilled I won there and absolutely yeah that's the prerogative of the player making sure that that settles down yep well especially the way the game is playing yeah it's still shaking you know you're going to give it a little bit more um absolutely currently your leaderboard Colin MacAlpine sitting at -5 Adam Becker last year's winner minus four he's tied with Carl D'Python Anghelo and Will McKinney and again these are not com actually calling uh Colin MacAlpine is done he's done his nine holes still uh two to three holes for the other gentleman thanks for checking on that I was wondering what was going on oh on the leaderboard those are all The Usual Suspects that you'd see hopped up top or that's no surprise to me Will McKinney played really well yesterday he did it was unbelievable uh danger that's two oh didn't that come to seven games between will and Zach yeah yeah and what I noticed is you're getting one warning the minute you get the second if you're gonna breathe you're getting the Tilt yeah yes yeah this game is set up super tight hoping John just gives it a second to settle all right one would hope I saw somebody yesterday who walked up to a game that had been tilted and started playing without waiting I wonder who that might have been there what me I would never do something like that I'm a risk taker man that's uh that's that that's risk taking yeah I'm just saying it happened once you gotta I didn't see how you fared I didn't play yesterday oh okay that was probably Derek price that you've seen oh another Derek because I would never do something like that who won who won Alberta uh Alberta was Dan horn yes and Dan was here Dan was he played really well he got to the third round good it was awesome to see awesome to see new players like and that was the format that I seen yesterday was so many new players I never seen before wrote on the circuit got to play yesterday and well a lot of people on the chat and whatnot we're talking about Nick Mueller who finished second to Zach and people like oh I've never seen this kid now I've been fortunate enough to go to free play Florida the last couple of years and seen this young man just Crush especially the newer games but I've been talking to a lot of people from Florida and he's really stepped off keep shooting he's walking away yeah excuse me so Nick Mueller uh not a surprise to me to see how well he's playing but there's a guy we're gonna be watching for many years uh just start to crush events I hope we can travel a little more as he gets older and that's a little uh easier option for some of the players because he is a beast in Florida and did a great job here in front of all these amazing State and provincial Champs yeah well it all starts somewhere right and absolutely I know for me pinberg 2014 was my moment I I knew nothing about competition pinball decided I've looked on the internet of pinball tournaments and seen that there was a match play tournament in pin bird oh careful on this I was like oh well let's go ahead and try it out and here I am now 2018 you know in the top 100 in the world so it doesn't take long right no it doesn't ouch really not comfortable going with that uh left flipper yeah I just I don't feel it's as reliable and as long as the post pass is there on the left side to get it to the right I think that's a much safer opportunity to make he could bring in another one if he wanted to and you know and not and not take that shot right now yeah but yeah you have to wait for everything to settle in now lock shots got to be the shot here right up the middle I don't know I would I I'm tempted to bring another house in well two to one Roger and I said uh we're going up the middle Derek so uh sorry buddy you're out oh he didn't he went left orbit I would go for the house if I didn't have two dangers oh okay and now he's had a great joy so now so now he's going plan Plan B here I think he's going up middle now oh oh see he might get uh did he get two on that host no he didn't careful see now I think my second mode after Greyjoy I'm gonna be working on Martel yeah Martel is up on the right side is a much safer uh shot that I would take backhanded there he goes now he said forget this I'm taking my multiball I got one house ready to go I'm good to go so he's got two locks now yep he didn't have the third no backhand I think yeah well so exactly I think you got it I would have gone for the uh the ramp I'm avoiding that Center ramp until I have a lock yes so there's the lock now he's got it going and he had Lord of Light there that's nice yes which saved him so no he still has choices here believe it or not like playing on a double danger yeah I'd be tempted to bring in that other house it's just so lucrative oh yeah this is nobody's favorite yeah this is not a great but 14 million there's nothing to sniff at middle everything's settled now you get into a rhythm there you go and he had both of them perfect so we had Lannister going anyway here's some points yes good job Joe so the one advantage of hitting that middle ramp to begin with is to get enough Lannister shots so that you get that host lid as well too because then it's easier to bring one more house into it as well three quick exits here all saved now done oh darn it all right so I got two all right slow it down and again for those playing at home you're this isn't the old at a ball you're not able to do that right now with uh this setting very nice saves here oh get one one more oh no nothing there yeah there is no addable potential in this no at all oh off of Martel yes yep it's usually a nice freebie edible that you get and on these settings it ain't happening I hear you that's the shark and he's getting very close here right now to where he needs to be uh was it 40 what is he is he almost out of the so he's he's out of the ten territory which is nice and he's moving into the nine territory careful and she still had the two nope wow that's amazing wow yep that's a very nice move where'd he go now back to Locks Maybe oh the locks are really tough to get finished Martel where do you want I think you finished Martel yeah you got to finish Martel and give you a nice clean return or you can do a reverse is he just trying to catch it on the right this way no I don't think so he's got to hit them both now all right so you can start the hoses nothing wrong with starting hoses right now so he's got Greyjoy in last year again you know all right get some progress some points Greyjoy is not easy to complete here but at least you can get some progress in it right another exciting thing about this too because Zac Stark's already lit you only need three houses for the hand of the king that's right that's what we talked about earlier right that's a viable strategy you know what pretty good points after the double danger right big time yep and but Josh is going to play this uh ball with two hands I've been told you were at a Target score here I think you might actually open his eyes 150 000. that came from Roger that came from Roger I just uh oh all right I needed some shots and he got it thin to win yep two that was a great Joyce shot and he's got two locks can he get the other lock to get back up there and he's trying to I think yep survive it's just the survival of that shot absolutely it is a good save nice save all right there it is and does he go from the left he does very nice yes so we're sitting here he's got it two houses he's got his Lannister and Greyjoy ready to go got ball three locked I think this is a good time for him to start doing it you betcha I think he's got if he does this right he's got 150 million ball here if he can if he can just execute yep fun place here at uh flipper spill Roger sharp Derek Thompson Jeff teolis here in the booth uh round one of the pin Masters One Last year by Adam Becker uh this is uh the what holes is for Josh this would be number this is their last hole number nine number nine yes there's a nice separation all right still got multiball lid still has everything in there he's got three ball action exactly where you want to be at this point right now he does have a strong one of the hardest shots on the Playfield to hit which is the dragon yep there it is got it great job beautiful and now jackpots yep he's on the right flipper oh well it's okay time to get your shoulders one more do you get it he did yeah and he's got the Super Jackpot still it he needs to hit that battering ram yep let's see if it happens that's his that's his Focus right now and he hit one more time there no he didn't he missed it nope didn't score it yikes so you know I would say a mediocre um multiball there not bad but not bad careful yep 86 so he'll come up with yeah you know I got there but I wish I could have done a little more a little bit better yeah it's a struggle when you have that stack going you got the two you really want to execute on it well you're sitting at 12 so it's now up to 95. for sure right now we're looking at the cut line again with only half the field playing it's currently at plus three if you take half of that probably you want to be even that's that's probably where you're looking to again top 16 advancing out of 72 players so it's not it's not an easy task you know depending what happens tomorrow as well because people learn more on that second day so you'll see the scores maybe rise up a little bit on that second day as well too so I got to factor that into the equation as well we have Jim belsito uh he is on his third ball right now he's sitting at 118 so it looks like you know worst he can do is six here which is he's in a really good spot I really like to get to that Target on this ball if he can but again with Game of Thrones you know unless you've got houses going or something going on this game there just isn't a lot of scoring on this machine so you're going to want to get something going on here in order to you know achieve that score that he needs of 150 million what's the mayor's wife doing there just getting the scores to the other one I'm not sure something the lock bars off I don't know what's going on oh maybe something is going on here I'll take a look up maybe we've got a minor malfunction going on what is that happening on it's happening on Star Trek I think yeah they're preparation oh okay so it's next to it yeah so there's an issue on the Star Trek so we're gonna wait a little bit on Game of Thrones because you know don't want to be distracted and in your play with the machine that's down beside it true allows the technicians to get in there do what they need to do to get things done Brian what are doing his thing again I have to give a shout out to the technicians of these events they are the unsung heroes of every single event that comes out here and thank God that we have some of the best in the business always at these uh Stern event circuit events so a big shout out to all the techs out there that volunteer their time come out to the events and help us out and set up these machines the way that they need to and repair them first we're back at it Jim belsito I'm not going for a walk I see nope up the middle no two houses chance to get the last two if he gets this mode no again I didn't see that well there was a small move that was made there um so let me ask both of you a question in terms of your competitive play yeah there's a shot that you want to make how many tries will you go before you switch three that's a great question Roger I'm three and I'm done because it's in my head that three I know it's the maybe not the right thing to do but from a psychological standpoint three is where I am if I if I if I've missed three if I brick three times move on go to something else and then come back yes okay yeah and I think it depends Oh Derek never misses oh I wouldn't go that far but you know sometimes I will I will abandon after the first shot if that shot that I took was felt really bad okay right so it's about the psyche of how I made that if I just missed the shot then it's like okay let's do two let's do three and sometimes if I'm just missing let's do four and five don't have an issue with that I guess the exception is if it's the shot to start multiball you have to go back at it but if it's maybe you're just trying to get a mode or a hurricane up or uh even a lock I'm like uh the payoff's not there I'm still at the point where I don't want to struggle I want to get a comfort and then I'll go back different mindset oh nice save control need some control oh oh that was a good recovery there but he's gonna get to pick a battle yep he's got two lit so he can do some damage here he's only got two left for Greyjoy too so he possibility of completing it now just missed that left orbit yep and it's interesting with the oh slow down Jim must be giving that just that extra shot there it is interesting how well thought the scores were because again with the pin Masters tournament and any kind of pin golf tournament the goal is to make sure the average is at least three balls yeah maximum tgp absolutely and we're seeing only one under four so they might adjust the scores tomorrow to make them a little different but uh we'll see yeah and what I noticed again was off that right it's coming down to the right flipper oh yeah there's just nothing could be done there foreign that was a hesitancy off of his left flipper I mean he got this far I guess I can do this as far as here which no I mean wherever he wanted to go he was indecisive in doing it so how do we erase that thing I think yeah thank you yeah no problem hey I'm learning too right um yeah I think you really need to own your shots I think you really need to have confidence every single time that you're going on them and if you're half committed to the shot that's a lot of times where you know because there wasn't a situation where he was flipping too late or too early yeah I think he was just half committed or wasn't sure where he wanted where do I really want to go yes yes yeah it happens to the best of us right it's sometimes you just oh well should I do this or should I do that oh no I'll do that oh no I should have done that right green [Laughter] all right let's see what's going on here yeah he's in good spot here yeah absolutely if he can oh it's great he's always done done it's so quick it's such a such a quick mode all right Lord of Light yes right orbit good now he's got to hit the tough Dragon shot let's see the feed yep feed is very nice and here comes the Dragon okay well I took his lock that's a good shot too I guess oh man just off of that wow yeah there's just there's nothing you could do on that I'm I'm watching this I'm like do I really want to go for that shot because he did nothing wrong there other than hit it perfectly and it right there was no opportunity to save that yeah well the only other option he could does not flip he could have done that and it would have probably bounced over but he was reactionary and ended up flipping I didn't see the replay but if you think there was time wow I better get a Red Bull my eyes are a little slow here and and I don't think that there was time thank you Roger Derek again outvoted I know I'm just saying I'm just being hard on everybody today so you're listening to Roger sharp Jeff huelson Devil's Advocate all right let's see what Josh means oh here he goes one person agreed with me I saw the flip tater salad thank you thank you very much there you go Ron White in the house [Laughter] all right oh Derek's brother watching yeah you must be wow it's my fan club of one person danger I I'm a fan Derek uh your yank pen tournament coming up at the end of April I highly recommend you check that out it's a great time in Edmonton Alberta I know a bunch of Seattle crew are going to be there Raymond Jermaine Dave myself a lot of the top Canadians will be there Robert Jack Derek myself um it's gonna be a good time Phil Birnbaum all right where's he gonna go up the center he is going to go up the center yes and he's got a house he's got two houses lit yeah he's got Lancer Martel which are great houses to have lit because everything will be given a big timer for those and get some nice points out yeah a question from the chat line from Dr Curley I mean you're you're stuck in Greyjoy right off the bat but I think Martel is my second choice here but I'm not going up the middle until I have a Lachlan but I'm avoiding first that is excellent so he's got some nice progress here yes and here we go again he's got another 10 million that he's awarded so let's keep pounding it that's the middle is that the middle there and it's the other excellent shot so now he's looking at what does he have for score here 42 that's excellent he's got to be getting close here to the Target there's a great Martell yep and that's why Martel is such a great mode today that's pretty impressive after the first two balls he had he was two million after two so good on Josh yes see every once in a while The Sun Shines on everybody every once in a while right all right I think Jim's ready to rip this up he's got a boy he's tilted the last two if I recall yes yeah nice hop so you're seeing that hop on a regular basis so I guess the full plunge if you're gonna get a nice kick off the left flipper onto the right you might as well take the point I think it's fairly safe with that post I think so you know because it either skips it or it feeds off very nicely I like the velocity of it coming down yeah I think there's nothing wrong with doing it because there's very little risk and you know you not getting you know the the one switch it or whatever to drain your ball you probably won't drain your ball anyway right first Martel so why not take the three one million right yep oh I could have done it right there I could have done it what do we have here oh boy 127 yikes so after ball three he's guaranteed a six but again I don't think he'll be that's after ball four real happy with that nope so he's got one more ball you know best he can do is a five that'll give him a score of minus one uh overall so again you know a good first round for again no matter how it goes yep what's the par on all these three uh par is a four parser four okay it is all right let's see what John can do be nice to see John completed here absolutely well he just has to commit to his shots and whatever his strategy is that he wants to do you know Roger you were talking about things that in your head maybe missing a shot three times in a row I have a difficulty my favorite format of a tournament is actually pin golf in my head though I realize I've never ever qualified sorry for anybody bet on my bookie but I have never qualified in a pin golf tournament because it's a different style play so I don't try to play ball one blow up right no you wind up changing strategically how you're going to approach each and every game one shot in the dragon would be just beautiful here careful got a locklet that's nice yes I take it right now good job that's two sure man yeah you know what I'm thinking lock in Middle right now just gonna get the dragon but again that's just so tough middle is where I'd be going and then and then oh he's trying a little bit of a flipper mistake there I think that could have been savable yep I think you just get a little bit you know your balls flying a little bit I think he was probably trying to decide is it enough to tap over it was too near the end unfortunately it happens to all of us Joe Lamar now all right 60 million right now so again you know needs to get some work done here in order to get some things lit yeah you're getting into the scary territory here where you're on ball four and you know you're not not really close to the Target right nope this will be the first time I've played this format of Game of Thrones I'm surprised I don't see more of it because it is a real even playing field it is I like the way it's set up I actually prefer it better this way um I I think it's this way in every competition pinball tournament myself it definitely levels the playing field well I think the key is for people setting up the tournament setting up thresholds that are reasonable okay that becomes the tough part yeah and that's why the scores may be adjusted tomorrow because you know you live and learn a little bit right if we had an average of six or seven that's definitely going to see a score that's going to come down and we might see that on uh I forgot what the score I said was 5.7 average I think I think it was oh very nice nice little tip pass over on that all right you're still in pretty good shape here Center yeah Winter's coming out which is an 18 million that's very nice and he's got his houses going so there you go here's Martel yep I wonder how many shots he has the G gray Joy well there's still one was that two shots with the tough the tough Dragon shot though yeah yep oh oh boy yeah nope unfortunate I haven't looked are there rubbers on these Lanes I highly I doubt it knowing the way the guys set it up probably not sure no I I don't know I'm not seeing a lot of fast outline drones though okay oh yeah he's already there 85 million yep sitting at eight so there's gonna be some work to do no I know last year when I played did I forget the game and I just commented to Josh after I played it the first day and I was like there's no freaking way not the way the game is playing and they wound up making an adjustment there you go he's got Winters coming yep boom boom so there's 12 million right there he's got two houses going now it's got a great opportunity here to hit that 150 Mark now I think so one or two shots I think should do it guys remember the gold that oh no oh no oh did he not do it no he might no oh my God that will put super disappointing uh even for the day roughly about eighth Ninth Place Ninth Place yeah yeah not too bad you know it gives you a fighting chance tomorrow right you just don't you don't want to put up the stinker on the first day and make it so hard for yourself on the second day to come back right we're seeing some people pass the cut line with eights and nines but uh not many it's uh so he's going back to his soft Plunge all right get that lock yep yeah that's a smart move I think that's where I'd be at as well too which is good you know what take it now take Martell not the walk there we go get out of there get out of there oh no and that 43 is just going to give him unfortunately a nine on that hole hmm that was unfortunate five over par on that on that hole hmm and that's the trick about this format it's you know I tell you another 400 000 gets an eight so 85 million here again uh best case scenario is an eight um to get to nine would be 90. so you know you're just trying to get a few points here absolutely you know just so that you can just keep moving up moving up moving up you know small small goals right yep there we go all right so now Martel and Greyjoy yeah left orbit first maybe he's probably just going for the orbits anyway so yep I would if I was him yeah it looks like that's what he's doing slow down yeah he's yeah there you go now he's got it oh oh no oh no I had to do that great save wow I would wait just enough and I think when you're in the moment Roger that's yeah that's that's the one thing that you know people forget is to wait on them well on this game right on this right on this game in particular because you know there's going to be a point where there's going to be a little nudging needed absolutely so he's got the 10 million there he's looking pretty good right now he's probably got himself into that seven or six range now for Target score which is excellent good job well done and 21. excellent okay and he's got his house going as well too so he's got Greyjoy again one shot to the dragon should do it I would think oh you got the you got the Lannister who's passed and nice safe reverse for the spinner bring it back on the flipper yep and again nice nice and there he is I think that's it 43 million shot and that should take him to the 150 I would think now we got to go through five million animations the score but I think he's there extra balls are off what's it worth in a I think the standard has always been about five but yeah don't know unless you're playing Aerosmith the extra ball is not worth nothing [Laughter] yeah Aerosmith's big 15 million according to Garvey thanks that's right so that concludes this group so what we have is we have Jim belsito I think who is at even yep um Josh will be at plus five uh maybe plus four would he get a four got a bracket all right I am going to take a breather hold on they want to say hi to you yeah hi to me where's the camera this was your group Thanks for the Memories I'll share some forever so will I my first time so thank you it's been it's been a blast it's been an absolute pleasure man I'm looking forward to play with you we will see awesome either that or next to me yes yes and I'll come back later awesome take care Roger thanks again for everything leave it to them good good times so we've still got a few groups to play like Adam Becker's group according to the Chart has three holes still to play staying over here yes um show us where you go with Adam McKinney he says he doesn't have a bracket on here okay so we got Colin mcelpine Becker Steve Strom has five holes still to play he's only got four ends so I don't know if they're going to bring in the first group of the next probably not no imagine they'll wait till this is finished and then they'll go through the hero of all this from IE pinball Carl D'Python Anghelo oh it's D'Python Anghelo I heard this guy call him dingalo dingalo it's D'Python Anghelo got it are you doing more or is that it what's next are we uh are we showing some extra time we're the next session's about to begin we'll we'll cover that well next session really because there's people that still have four or five holes left they're not gonna no we're on the last game they just haven't updated that everybody's done everybody else is done yeah there's one game left my game on Star Trek my group Team all right I gotta I gotta get ready thank you guys really appreciate you watching the stream thanks there'll be some new commentators and we'll see you for round two take care is A Game of Thrones