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episode 15 nacho pinball

The Spinner Is Lit Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 20m·analyzed·Nov 4, 2018
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TL;DR

Roundtable praises Pirates of the Caribbean as JJP's best game; discusses Stern Beatles, Deadpool, Oktoberfest.

Summary

The Spinner Is Lit Podcast Episode 15 features a roundtable discussion centered on a Jersey Jack Pinball Pirates of the Caribbean unboxing event. The hosts praise Pirates as JJP's best game to date, highlighting its playfield complexity, innovative mechanics, and character selection system. The episode also covers new releases including Stern's Beatles pinball (a Sea Witch-based design), Deadpool, and Oktoberfest, with mixed reactions to each title.

Key Claims

  • Pirates of the Caribbean is Jersey Jack Pinball's best game, surpassing The Hobbit and Dialed In

    high confidence · Multiple roundtable participants (Dan, Brian, Spencer) explicitly state Pirates is JJP's best or top-tier game

  • The Beatles pinball is a Sea Witch redesign with magnets and modern components, not an original design

    high confidence · Extensive discussion comparing Beatles layout to Sea Witch; Spencer describes it as 'Sea Witch on LSD'; multiple speakers confirm single playfield, similar layout

  • The Beatles pinball will be produced in three limited versions: Diamond (100 units), Platinum (250 units), Gold (up to 1,964 units)

    high confidence · Spencer states exact production numbers and year significance (1964)

  • The Beatles pinball features seven songs focused on early 1964 album material, not later Beatles era

    high confidence · Spencer lists specific songs: Can't Buy Me Love, A Hard Day's Night, Ticket to Ride, All My Lovin', Help, Drive My Car, It Won't Be Long

  • Stern has announced other rumored upcoming titles including Toy Story, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, and Guns and Roses

    medium confidence · Spencer mentions these as 'rumored titles' without confirmation; treated as speculation by the group

  • Pirates of the Caribbean was a prototype at Golden State Pinball and played differently than the production version at the Bannisters' house

    high confidence · Roundtable participants note the Golden State version was a prototype, explaining gameplay differences

  • Holy Diver is a new Sacramento pinball location with three premium Stern games (AC/DC Luci, Metallica, Iron Maiden) and live band entertainment

    high confidence · Alex provides detailed trip report on new Holy Diver venue in old Townhouse/Starlight location; includes operator Ken Gordon information

  • Deadpool pinball is based on the comic book IP, not the movie, with no movie content integrated

    high confidence · Spencer and roundtable explicitly state 'there is nothing from the movie in this game. This is all comic book based'

Notable Quotes

  • “It's by far their best game, much better than The Hobbit, even better than Dialed In. Really good. People who don't play it just don't recognize its greatness.”

    Dan @ ~early in Pirates discussion — Strong endorsement establishing Pirates as JJP's best game; sets tone for episode's primary focus

  • “It's a step above and beyond and it really shows where they're going. Their direction they're going as a company and I applaud them. Can't wait to see what they do next.”

    Brian @ ~mid Pirates discussion — Reflects broader industry perspective on JJP's trajectory and competitive positioning

  • “Sell a kidney, you know, rent out the kids. What do you got to do, man? Get that game in your house because it's pretty amazing.”

    Spencer @ ~Pirates wrap-up — Hyperbolic endorsement reflecting community's view of Pirates' value and desirability despite $10k+ price point

  • “I feel like it's – I call it B-Witch because it's sort of like C-Witch.”

    Spencer @ ~Beatles discussion — Humorous characterization capturing community skepticism about Beatles being a Sea Witch variant

  • “It would be like Sea Witch on LSD. There you go. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.”

    Alex @ ~Beatles discussion — Community wordplay reflecting mixed but engaged reactions to Beatles design choices

  • “I think that Beatles definitely warranted an original design, and I think that a Sea Witch remake or a Sea Witch remaster, whatever you want to call it, would have been cooler independently.”

    Dan @ ~Beatles discussion — Core criticism of Stern's strategy: licensing plus recycled playfield design rather than original work

  • “It's not like an Iron Maiden where you're like, oh, man, I didn't know this was possible. It's not like a Ghostbusters or something where you're like, wow, look at all the crap on this game. It's just kind of like it's got some good shots.”

    Spencer @ ~Deadpool summary — Comparative analysis establishing Deadpool as competent but unremarkable, lacking standout mechanical innovation

Entities

Spencer KlinginpersonJersey Jack PinballcompanyPirates of the CaribbeangameStern PinballcompanyThe BeatlesgameDeadpoolgameOktoberfestgameChris Bannisterperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Pirates of the Caribbean production units now available to collectors; unboxing event signals game entering collector market phase

    high · Roundtable attended unboxing at private home; game described as newly arrived to collector; extensive gameplay impressions provided

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Strong community approval for Pirates of the Caribbean across all roundtable participants; establishes game as industry benchmark

    high · Multiple speakers call it JJP's best game; 5-star recommendations; praised for playfield complexity and innovation

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Community debate over modern pinball's complexity barrier; Beatles cited as accessible alternative using simplified Sea Witch layout

    high · Spencer identifies complaint about modern complexity dating to 1990s; Beatles positioned to address casual/beginner market; multiple speakers note Sea Witch simplicity relative to modern designs

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern applying Beatles IP licensing to existing Sea Witch playfield template rather than developing original design

    high · Dan explicitly critiques: 'Beatles definitely warranted an original design'; speculation that Stern will reuse playfield design for other licenses

  • $

    market_signal: Stern implementing tiered limited editions for Beatles (Diamond 100, Platinum 250, Gold 1,964) to drive scarcity-based demand

    high · Spencer announces exact production limits; year 1964 integrated into Gold production number; pattern mirrors JJP's limited edition strategy

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome to the Spinner's Lit Pinball Podcast, I'm your host Spencer Klingin. Tonight's episode, episode 15, Nacho Pinball. Tonight we're doing another roundtable episode My co-host and engineer Seth Holder is still on hiatus Enjoying some extended family time We wish you well Seth and hope you enjoy the episode And I know you're going to be back here real soon with us So tonight we'll go around the roundtable Everybody can introduce themselves I'll start on my left Oh hello, I'm Rusty, I'm Spencer's wife My section of this is brought to you by Seagram's Escapes the Calypso Colada. Very, very good. And to the left of me... My name is Kendra. I am a friend from Pinball League.
1:09
I'm Brian. Too short for me before. I apologize. I'm Dan, and I don't wish Seth to have a good time at all. He should be here. Screw you, Seth.
1:22
Hey, I'm Alex. You probably heard me on the show before. I play in Pinball League, and I'm a friend of Spencer and Rusty's.
1:29
All right, this is us at the roundtable tonight. So, nacho pinball, the reason for tonight's episode as well. We're eating a lot of nachos lately. And we're going to get right into nachos and pinball and talk about last night, the JJP Pirates of the Caribbean unboxing at a fellow league member's house and good friends, Chris and Michelle Bannister and family. and we were fortunate enough to be invited to that great event and watch him unbox the game and get a few games on it. Let's go around the room and talk about our experience as long as we reverse the order and go. Alex, why don't you start? Well, Spencer, Jersey Jack Pirates is, so the Caribbean to be exact, is a terrific game. There are lots of cool shots on it. You've got the tilting ship that moves back and forth.

  • “One of the top things you hear from people all the time about modern pinball, this has been going since the 90s, is it too complicated, too complex. I don't know what to do.”

    Spencer @ ~Beatles accessibility discussion — Identifies core market tension in modern pinball design: complexity vs. accessibility for casual/collector players

  • “There is nothing from the movie in this game. This is all comic book based.”

    Spencer @ ~Deadpool discussion — Important clarification on IP usage; affects collector/fan expectations about theme authenticity

  • “The more pinball is good pinball. And it's getting a ton of press. I've seen it popping up on my homepage on my phone, excuse me, all the time.”

    Spencer @ ~Beatles wrap-up — Reflects broader media attention to Beatles pinball as crossover phenomenon reaching mainstream audiences

    • Michelle Bannisterperson
    Rustyperson
    Danperson
    Brianperson
    Kendraperson
    Alexperson
    Seth Holderperson
    Ken Gordonperson
    Lauren Drownperson
    Ace Jedi Joe Abadeperson
    Jim Shelbyperson
    Holy Divervenue
    Coin-Op Game Roomvenue
    Golden State Pinballvenue
    Sierra Cinemasvenue
    Pinball Leagueorganization
    Sea Witchgame
  • ?

    venue_signal: Sacramento pinball arcade ecosystem expanding with Holy Diver venue opening in former Townhouse/Starlight location

    high · Alex provides detailed trip report on new Holy Diver venue with three premium Stern machines; venue already on Pinball Map and Pinside; features live entertainment and food service

  • ?

    community_signal: Local pinball community actively promoting and visiting new venues; multiple shout-outs to operators and venue staff indicating tight-knit support network

    high · Alex provides operator names, venue details, and encourages community support; multiple venue recommendations (Coin-Op, Fanny Ann's, Woodstock's) mentioned throughout

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Pirates of the Caribbean introduces or refines character selection system and picture-taking feature as retention mechanics

    high · Roundtable notes character selection screen with ability overview; picture-taking feature similar to Dialed In; extended player engagement through leaderboard/photo system

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Community speculation about Stern's next releases includes Toy Story, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, and Guns and Roses

    medium · Spencer mentions these as 'rumored titles' without official confirmation; treated as unverified speculation by roundtable

  • ?

    content_signal: Beatles pinball receiving mainstream media coverage beyond pinball press; signals potential mass-market appeal impact

    high · Spencer reports seeing Beatles pinball announcements on mainstream phone homepage/news feeds; multiple outlets covering release

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Community establishing clear performance hierarchy among recent releases: Pirates >> Deadpool > Oktoberfest (mixed reactions)

    medium · Pirates universally praised; Deadpool described as competent but unremarkable; Oktoberfest receiving skepticism about theme despite mechanical praise

  • ?

    design_innovation: Deadpool and other recent games incorporating creative asymmetrical shots (curved ramps, unconventional trajectories) to differentiate from standard Steve Ritchie fan layout

    medium · Roundtable discusses curved left flipper ramp shot in Deadpool; compares to Strange Science and Gilligan's Island unusual shot designs; acknowledges Ritchie template dominance while appreciating variation

    • 2:20
    You've got the treasure chest, obviously. Tough shot to hit, obviously. I've learned hitting it from the left flipper is easier than doing it from the right.
    2:29
    I like the little pirate that spins around on the pop bumpers. I think that's pretty cool. I also like the little whirlpool hole, sort of a little Whitewater vibe to it you got over there. I think Jersey Jack kind of went all out to make a terrific game, you know. It's one of my favorite Jersey Jacks with Hobbit next to it.
    2:50
    Yeah, agreed. Dan? I will say, first of all, that that son of a bitch is heavy. We had to move it down the stairs into the basement. That was no joke.
    3:04
    But, yeah, it's a beautiful game. Super fun. You know, it's still really new to all of us, so it's just like every time you play it, something new happens. There's a new shot. There's a new call-out. There's a new bonus. And you're just like, there's just things everywhere. Every place you shoot, there's an interesting shot. There's a hidden goodie. There's a magnet that throws the ball around. There's a hidden subway. It's really, really great. They've outdone themselves. It's by far their best game, much better than Hobbit, even better than Dialed In. Really good. People who don't play it just don't recognize its greatness. It's great.
    3:47
    Larry? It's my favorite JJP game. It plays really nice. It doesn't feel as clunky to me as Wizard of Oz does. The play field is amazing. Like it's been said before, there's tons of shots. There's so many I couldn't see. I don't know where the ball went. It definitely is worth the money that they go for. If I was going to spend 10 Gs on a pin, that would be it.
    4:12
    Yeah, I got to agree with Brian and Dan and Alex. It was a lot of fun. Like Dan said, it's new to all of us. So I know some of us last night spent more time picking our characters than we did playing.
    4:27
    Don't look at me. But I don't think there was anybody that didn't have a good time, and we're all excited to get more time on it and get better at it.
    4:37
    I love how he incorporated some of the things that he's had. I'm dialed in with the picture-taking thing, where if you score a high score, you get your picture took along with your name up for you know whatever place you're at and i thought that was really neat and really innovative um the game is fast very fast uh but it has uh like dan was saying it has a lot of places to shoot um all sorts of things to do i could not for life me get that stupid ball on the chest to get multi-ball although i did manage to no i didn't I never did get a multi-ball in that game. I was thinking of Hobbit. I was playing Hobbit, too.
    5:20
    At the same time. Well, Spencer started it. It was the end of the night. Spencer started it. It was his fault. But, no, a total agreement. I think this is a real hit out of the park for Jersey Jack. And because I really – we played it at Golden State Pinball. Boy, the line was long. you couldn't hear it it was you know it just it was like oh is this more work than it's worth and but to see it up close and personal and not having a you know 5,000 strangers around you it made it lots of fun so definitely definitely having it in a private collector home like rusty mentioned is definitely a bonus you know getting invited and to play it too i feel like that's a big bonus for all of us i also remember that the golden state game was a prototype not production so it did play different. Yeah. And it's simply amazing. There's so much stuff to do in that game where, you know, even like a really, really good player is going to be challenged to see every single thing that game has to offer. I think we're all going to spend a lot of time as things go forward playing this to learn more about it. Oh, yeah, I copied the Baylister's house key. There you go. Yeah, I kind of, you know, concur with – that was good. I kind of concur with what everybody else said as, you know, it's fast, which, you know, for a wide body, it's really got great flow. That whirlpool ramp where, you know, it does a nice whirlpool ramp back to the left flipper or it diverts and whirlpools down like on whitewater. I did get it in the treasure chest. I never could get the cannon shot.
    7:03
    I got that cannon shot a few times. You got to time it right. To put it into perspective, though, at the end of the night, Spencer had the high score. Yeah. He was the king. Chris's picture, but Spencer's not. I know, because Chris was helping me get the letters right. Yeah, so it's got Chris's picture. You had the high score by a fair magnitude. It was you and then Cheddar and then the rest of us were all kind of, you know, in behind you. In all fairness to Chris, for that picture, it is his machine. Yeah. So, of course, he had the photobomb. There you go. Yeah. Well, you know, and some other neat things about that game, we talk about all the characters, and people are saying, there's so many characters, there's so much to do, what do I do? But if you look at the character and then look down at the little screen, you can look at the big screen or look down at the little screen in the apron, it'll give you a little thing like quicker multiball access or double X scoring or, you know, different. So they'll give you a basic overview of what that character does, so you can go, okay, well, I want to do that. I also want to point out, because my OCD, the little touches, the details, like the lanterns on the ship and the way they lit those up. And it looks like the Black Pearl. I mean, it's just those little details, the artwork, the total package. Again, Grand Slam, congratulations to Jersey Jack and team and the Bannisters. Absolutely. Each game they do, Jess keeps raising the bar. And, yeah, if you got the coin, I'm going to give this an absolute five stars. Recommend it. Go out, you know, sell a kidney, you know, rent out the kids. What do you got to do, man? Get that game in your house because it's pretty amazing.
    8:45
    It's good. I'm a man brutal. It's good and brutal. I like all the Jack games, but man, that thing is just just, you know, it's it's number one. out of all of them. It's a step above and beyond and it really shows where they're going. Their direction they're going as a company and I applaud them. Can't wait to see what they do next. With the rumored titles of Toy Story and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and who knows what else down the line. Guns and Roses. Guns and Roses, awesome rumors. We really look forward to seeing what they're going to give us next because wow, Pirates is a home run.
    9:20
    So is Stern. That's a sarcasm right there. There you go. Well, we're up to Trip Report with Alex. Where'd you go? Go with the Trip Report. So today, well, there's this new spot in Sacramento. Shout out to this operator from Hip Games named Ken Gordon. He has this new location called Holy Diver. It has got not one, not two, but three. premium pinballs at this location. There is a ACDC Lushi premium, a Metallica premium, and an Iron Maiden premium. I promptly GC'd the Iron Maiden with almost about 700 mil, so you can tell that it's playing well off of that. Wow, we got a car alarm in the background. This is awkward. I guess that's someone not moving their car. So anyway, this new location, holy diver is really terrific they've got live bands upstairs that'll play every week uh not sure it's like sort of a punk rock sort of thing you know uh they do serve food there and there's drinks uh i think miners can go in i think it just until like a certain time frame i'm not sure they're opening hours so i'm still trying to discover that but this location is new to me so definitely go out and support this location it's a very good for those of you don't know the holy diver is in the old townhouse slash starlight location on 21st. That is correct. And if you're in Sacramento, that has some relevance to you.
    10:59
    Townhouse is where you went to score heroin. So if you live in the Sacramento, California area, and you're not looking to score heroin, you know, anyway, look it up, man. Pinball map. And what's the place called again? Called Holy Diver. Just remember the ordeal album. I went to score heroin. So, well. It is already on Pinball Map and it is already on Pinside. There you go. So we're good to go. Add it to both places. So we've got to – Just look for A. Lambert on Pinball Map. All right. So we've got another new location in Sacramento to play pinball. So all you pinheads out there that are listening to the show,
    11:37
    you know, check it out, man. Go and support your local location. Other great locations in the Sacramento area are – Coin Off Game Room. Of course, Coin-Op Game Room. Fanny Ann Saloon. Woodstock's Pizza in Davis. Shout-out to Lauren Drown. Shout-out to Ace Jedi Joe Abade at Coin-Op Game Room. I was just there today for about an hour. They have a killer lineup. Everything played perfect. I probably poured, like, four or five credits on the Adams. So, yeah, everything's working good at Coin-Op. Definitely go down there and Fanny Ann's and Woodstock's Pizza in Davis. You won't be disappointed.
    12:13
    All right, man. Thank you for that trip report. No problem. All right, so up next we're talking about new stuff. Let's jump right into new stuff where there's a lot of talk on the interwebs and at your local pinball playing place and at leagues and tournaments and everything else. Matt Stern's The Beatles pinball. I think it's way too expensive, but, you know, I call it – here's my thought of The Beatles. I feel like it's – I call it B-Witch because it's sort of like C-Witch. so i was my joke alex not true uh you did i was gonna make that joke you mean not true you can't say that's not true but yeah this uh this game is obviously very expensive it's uh it's basically sea witch on crack with magnets so if you love magnets and pinball uh beatles is the game for you it's got magnets unfortunately i'm pissed off because they don't have the song yellow submarine Thank God. Actually, it wouldn't be Sea Witch on crack. It's the Beatles. So it would be like Sea Witch on LSD. There you go. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. I would buy it if it wasn't expensive. Okay. That's my thought on Beatles. All right. Dan? I think it looks cool. I mean, I got to be honest. It was not what I expected. And I don't think that it's what Pinball at Large expected.
    13:36
    But it's not a terrible idea. You know, Sea Witch is a cool game. and it'll be interesting to see what a modern Sea Witch is going to play like. I think that Beatles definitely warranted an original design, and I think that a Sea Witch remake or a Sea Witch remaster, whatever you want to call it, would have been cooler independently. I do think that this isn't the only time you'll see them use this playfield design. I think that it's going to be something that shows up again. You know, you'll see your 2000 or 1964 Beatles machines. You know, people will pay their 15, 20,000 for them because collectors got to collect.
    14:17
    You know, I don't think that Stern will have any difficulty selling through them. But at the same time, what I feel like the mistake is, is that that Beatles deserved its own game. Okay.
    14:33
    I like Sea Witch. I like the Beatles music. My thing, I'm going to guess what's going to happen if they sell through these fairly quickly, is we're going to start seeing other old Stern designs pop up in new games.
    14:46
    Nightmare, Nightmare. Right, exactly. Yeah, I'm with you on Nightmare. Kendra, thoughts? At this price point, I think they're probably selling the Beatles collectors rather than pinball enthusiasts.
    14:59
    I have hope for the game, but as has been said, it seems to be a sea witch reproduction, and at that price point I don't know very many pinball collectors that are going to pay for that simply because it's Beatles.
    15:16
    They're aiming for the Beatles collector market. They're trying to get new people into pinball too after this as well. It looks like a very easy game. Have you even played Sea Witch? That game is a monster. Everybody's saying, oh, it's going to be an easy, accessible design. Sea Witch is a bastard. this is going to be a clear coated you know modern flippers probably steeper playfield angle it's going to be a stir clear coat so let's be honest here it's going to come free flake from the factory Iron Maiden plays fast Ghostbusters plays fast just because it's dimple-rific doesn't mean it ain't going to play fast I've always wanted to run to the of Beatles, you know? There you go. Alex, this is why nobody likes me. Rusty? Oh, we love Alex. That comes in off.
    16:14
    I don't have much of an opinion. I haven't seen the game in play. Nobody has. Yeah, have you ever met my husband who watches people play pinball on YouTube? Right, but they haven't shown any gameplay of Beatles besides the one-minute announced trailer. The funny thing is about the strong opinions is nobody really knows much of anything. I believe the wizard mode is the Mark Chapman wizard mode.
    16:43
    Oh, man. Tough crowd tonight. Tough crowd. Boom. Just got to dodge pinballs in Central Park. So I'm actually looking at the play field. We got lower flippers, upper flippers, but it looks like a single play field. There's no ever-paying field. Sea Witch at Adams? Yeah. It's Sea Witch. Yeah. Oh, one of my favorites. Sea Witch? Yeah, exactly. How do I score minus points? I know. Well, I do it all the time. But the artwork is beautiful. It's bright and very cheery.
    17:24
    Can't tell you nothing about the music. Can't tell you what they're going to do. You can't tell people anything about the music? It's the Beatles. Well, yeah. But what songs? They've announced them. I'll see if I can find it. Okay, so... Yeah, will it be playing backwards? Will all these songs be playing backwards? Oh, that'd be a cool moment.
    17:45
    There's supposed to be seven songs and it's all from their Beatles. It's really focused on their 1964 album. When they first came up in Trip to America. So it's got Can't Buy Me Love. It's going to be the early stuff. So no wide album.
    18:00
    Dang. have to buy it. Well, you have to buy it. Oh, yeah, I don't have to buy the White Album again.
    18:05
    But no. Hard Day's Night. It won't be long. I'm still looking. That describes some of us at the table. So we're not going to have a Helter Skelter version? No. No, not yet. Well, now, we have to understand, you know, people can mod these and they can put their own songs in. Yeah, that'll happen. And that will absolutely happen. This would be a shout out to Sparky because I believe it was him that put Salt-N-Pepa into his Metallica game. So Salt-N-Pepa is here. Push it real good. And that's what we need. With a song for him. So it's a good amount of songs. Here you go. You got A Hard Day's Night, Can't Buy Me Love, Ticket to Ride, All My Lovin', Help, Drive My Car, It Won't Be Long, I Should Have Known Better Than to Buy This Game. And it features iconic introductions by Ed Sullivan, along with custom speech and call-outs by Hall of Fame disc jockey Cousin Brucie. There you go. Okay. There you go. So that's what we got. No garbage-ass Rolling Stone British call-outs. Well, you know, they added a spinning disc. And it's a spinning disc with a magnet, like a blister. Right. And then they have a magnet at the top where you just used to be a star rollover. You could roll down towards the pop bumper. So the magnet will grab the ball, drop it, and the pop bumper is on the shot, on the launch. But it's basically an early old Stern from, what, like 1980? with Sea Witch. I thought it was going to play more like TNA than it does Sea Witch. And, you know, looking at it, looking at the art, now I like, a lot of people wanted the later Beatles, Sgt. Pepper's, the old Submarine, White Album, I like the direction they went. I like the early Beatles. It makes a lot of sense to me. The Spinning Disc is cool. I like those. Because, you know, what Woe Nelly and the Pabst Can Crusher and TNA showed us is you can still, in 2018, have a single level play field with no ramps and a lot of not a lot of toys and gizmos and still have a really good fun pinball game and a really fun pinball experience and i also agree with kendra this is primarily going to be marketed to Beatles collectors but I think you will see some in other regular pinball collectors hands The price point, yeah. Now, so they're making three versions, the gold version, the platinum version, and the diamond version. The diamond version is going to be limited to 100 units. The platinum to 250, 250 units. and the gold version is going to be the remaining number up to 1,964 units, signifying 1964, the year the Beatles first broke and came to America. All the songs are on there I like.
    20:44
    I'm not a monster Beatles fan, but I enjoy their music. And, you know, I'm excited to play it because I like to see which game. I like the layout. I think it could be fun, especially if they – I don't know if they're adding a multiball to this, but there's a lot of things that could be fun. And it's simpler. and you'll all agree that one of the top things you hear from people all the time about modern pinball, this has been going since the 90s, is it too complicated too complex, I don't know what to do that happened with Twilight Zone, Twilight Zone was not a good route game, no it did awful on route because it was too complex well and also heavy maintenance it broke a lot it's a very complex game, I have to get distracted from Twilight Zone but I have to ask this question real quick, Spencer, are you a Beatles man or an Elvis man? Wow that's a tough question, it really is Can I say Roy Orbison? Because for the record, we know that Beatles do better than Elvis pinball. Well, the pinball-wise, yes, yes. Don't be cruel. I like Elvis music too. I've seen Blue Hawaiian more than three dozen times because my mom is a diehard Elvis fan. I can see them adding a multiball into Sea Witch and using the spinning disc with the magnet a la Twister, as Dan already said. That is one of the coolest multiballs in any pinball game. Right. I could totally see him doing that. And personally, if they did that, we would require Helter Skelter as the song. Which will not be in there. No. But you can always add it later. Yeah. But going back to what you said, Spencer, about a lot of people saying that, you know, modern pinball is too hard. They don't know what to do. Right. One of the things I brought up to Dan last night that I noticed on Pirates was that, you know, one of the tips in between players says, when you don't know what to do, shoot for the blinking lights. There you go. Thanks, Jersey Jack. Yeah, blinking lights are good. They always are. Some of those tips were a little troll-y. I wish I remembered them all. Well, you know, there's a lot of talk about it on the Internet and at local league and like that. I just think, you know, I'm excited about it and I'm excited to play because new pinball and, you know. New old pinball. And you know what, man? The more pinball, the better. The more pinball is good pinball. And it's getting a ton of press. I've seen popping up on my homepage on my phone, excuse me, all the time, is different news outlets, and they're throwing it out. From Chicago, Illinois, the only Beatles pinball ever created, which is not true. Beat Time. Beat Time from Williams in 1960. It's not officially a Beatles pinball machine. Whatever. They had two versions of Beat Time. The first one with the Beatles where it says The Beatles, and then that was copyright infringement, right? No, that was – And then they had to pull that. That was an unauthorized reproduction. There you go. So anyway – Does the original one say, like, the boodles or something? Oh, maybe it does. The boodles? It says the boodles. Oh, so that one at Pinagogo was – That was one of the reproductions where it actually said 1967. And a real quick shout-out. I want to thank Alex and Milano's Pizza for supplying us with pizza and mozzarella sticks tonight. and our local Walmart for supplying us with the mini barbecue pulled pork. High-speed with the siren flashing over our head. Right, in the game room. The mini pulled pork bites that Rusty threw in the oven for us and the chip salsa guacamole. And, of course, the various Seagram's Foo Foo Girly Fruity Wild Berry and whatever drinks. And, of course, our good friends at Heineken Beer. Yay, Heineken. Thank you for the local sorority. Brewed in Holland. There you go. So, yeah, so we got that going. Where was I? Oh, we were talking about the Beatles. Beatles to Deadpool. Deadpool pinball.
    24:35
    And my wife and I are both Deadpool fanatics, and last – that's just two nights or three nights ago. Would you say that you guys are Deadpools? Yes. We wore our matching Deadpool hockey jerseys to the league, and I got called douche pool. So by my wife. We call you that when you're not even wearing the jersey. There you go. It just became official the other day. Well, Rusty and I have yet to play it. So guys thought, but it looks awesome, and I can't wait to play it, and I want one. If you guys are wondering where Deadpool is on location, if you go down to Grass Valley, there's a place called Sierra Cinemas that, shout out to Jim Shelby, another friend from League, told me that they have, along with an Ironman, X-Men, and a Stern Trek. I have not been there, but have seen this on pinball. Stern Trek? That round-up for that goes on the inside Northern California. Fair of the ring, really. Good. There's also one I haven't played yet, but there's one in Lodi. Fairly close to the league. At the stadium. The stadium. On Turner. We went there after playoffs. It was a stadium. Yes. A country stadium. And they have Giant Connect 4, and their drink prices are surprisingly affordable, especially when people are buying for you. That's why it's a dive bar. You're welcome, Dan.
    25:51
    All right. So thoughts on the game, folks, for those of us who played it? It's a game. It's a good-looking game. I really like the premium with the shark artwork. I played it at Pinagogo, both of them. I couldn't hear the call-outs because it was so loud, but from my experience on it so far, it's all right. I don't have much time on it, but eh. What do you think of that ramp shot off the left flipper that curves around? I like it because it's unique. I like shots like that. I like that shot. I like the similar – how they have the weird shot in Strange Science like that. I love that. We both love that game. Yeah, that's a great game. Any sort of twisty, weird shot that goes somewhere, I enjoy. Like in Gilligan's when the ramp's up and you shoot through there and it curves over. I have so much fun playing in Gilligan's. It gets over. Gilligan's is awesome. Any of those weird, pretty shots I like. It's just the ball's doing something different. Yeah. It's always nice to see something, you know, creative and different, you know, that breaks the mold of your standard Terminator 2 flow, you know, flow game. The only thing I do. Fan layout, you're Steve Ritchie. Are you playing down the genius of the Steve Ritchie fan layout? I'm not playing down. What I'm playing down is the fact that almost every designer copies them verbatim and just says, just read Terminator 2 and put a bash toy on it. But that's exactly what Deadpool is. Deadpool is basically Terminator 2 with a bash toy. The only thing I didn't like about it was the fighting the people. You didn't care for that? A la Street Fighter. It doesn't do anything for me. It's cool to watch, but it's just, eh. Is that what the smash button is for on there? No, that's basically like your Hadron Enforcer. You collect it up. The boom button is actually one of the most fun parts of the game. Okay. It's not an amazing layout. It's a Gomez, right? So if you like Gomez games, you're going to dig it. Well, Gomez has done some really great stuff. Well, Gomez has done a lot of really great stuff. But if you like Gomez games, and he's done some really big disasters too. Avengers. Transformers. Right, but here's the thing. It's definitely good. Like, it is not a bad game. It's worth throwing a couple quarters into. If you love the franchise, it's probably worth buying.
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    It's a good game. It's just a game, though. It's not like an Iron Maiden where you're like, oh, man, I didn't know this was possible. It's not like a Ghostbusters or something where you're like, wow, look at all the crap on this game. It's just kind of like it's got some good shots. It's got a cool-ish toy. The sword lock is really neat. It's as good as it was in Lord of the Rings or better. But to me, it's just sort of like it's a game for the people who, like, have to have Deadpool, you know, because they love Deadpool. I love the firepower sound effects. You've played it on League, but it's not one you'd want to own. I've played it on location. I haven't played it at League. I have played it at a show. But, I mean, you would. You know, like, oh, cool, League Night. Oh, cool. Well, yeah, if you bought a Deadpool, I would come to your house and play it. Yeah, but you come to my house anyway, so it's all good. All right. If you bought a Deadpool, I would come to your house and play it. It wouldn't be a game that I'm like, nope, not playing it. You bought a Deadpool? No, hell no, I'm not coming. And maybe, yeah, exactly. Screw you, Spencer. Out. Got that douche bowl. Oh, you bought an Elvis? Oh, yeah. I'm in. There we go. But one thing to mention. I'm buying a Monopoly and a Roarcoaster Tycoon. Oh, boy. I actually like both those games. Are you really? I do. No, I'm not really. But I do like both those games. You want an Elvis to go with it? Yeah. No. Is that, you know, it's been said before, but say it again.
    29:24
    There is nothing from the movie in this game. This is all comic book based. So if you're like, I love that movie. You've got to go see this. Don't bother. Right, right. Not going to go to movies, folks. Just like X-Men. It's even, yeah, one of the sad things is it's even miles from the comic. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I just can't get into X-Men. I've tried and I've tried and I've tried and I've tried and I can't. It's a hard game. I just, I'm like looking at this and going, they took one of the best franchises ever. It doesn't earn on location either. It just doesn't do. And I want to watch. It's X-Men. It's like we were talking earlier about Star Wars. I want to love it. It's okay. Star Wars. is actually really good. I've gotten to like it a little more. I still can't like X-Men anymore. I want to. I like Avengers better than X-Men. Wow, that's saying something. Hey, people hate that game, but I kind of like it. That tells you everything you need to know. I kind of like Transformers, too. Oh, God.
    30:20
    Transformers Pro is not bad. Sharky Shootout? You like that one at Casino? The Casino one? No. Sharky's I kind of do like. Anyway, but we're getting off track. Okay, so that's Deadpool in a nutshell. Russ and I don't have a lot to say about it other than Deadpool rocks, and we can quote Deadpool all day long. From the movie, but we read the comics. And the comics. We read the comics, too. Okay, on to Oktoberfest, which there's a ton to talk about about this game. If you were at League of Dancehouse a couple weeks ago, he had the streaming of Oktoberfest on the big TV.
    30:53
    Everybody was having just a snit fest about the theme. And I always keep an open mind because you never know what you're going to get, you know. And as soon as I saw it, I went, that looks awesome. I mean, I want to play this. It's got all kinds of cool toys. It's got all kinds of magnets. It's got all kinds of great sweeping long shots. It's got good flow. It's got a lot of ramps and habit trails. It's got, you know. It's got a monkey spanking ass. Yeah, because it's a hot dog. Oh, my God. Okay, so if you don't know about the monkey spanking ass, people complain they remove the monkey. Did they remove the hot dog? I wouldn't doubt it. Okay. Now people are complaining because they removed the monkey. Girls in knee-high socks, oh, yeah, give me more. And lederhosen, give me more of that. That game looks awesome. The men wear the lederhosen. What do the girls wear? I don't get why people complain about it. Not much. It's got a name, though. It's like, why would you complain about the theme? It's literally about I'm drinking beer. Drinking beer and eating bratwurst. How can you not be behind that? That's not what the game's about, right? The game's about the Oktoberfest Festival. Which is about drinking beer. And I honestly feel like. And eating bratwurst. That's the wizard mode right there for you folks.
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    I feel like that reveal shut a lot of people off. Everybody was like, American Pinball is high. Oktoberfest is the worst theme ever. They're going to bomb. And then they brought out a great looking game with festive looking art and all the goodies. And now people are like, oh, well, you know, maybe the theme's not that bad. Oh, my God, there's a monkey grabbing ass on it. We've got to complain about something else. and it's just like, okay, no problem. There's a girl eating a hot dog. What's going on in this world? Oh, my God, you sexist pigs. You know, I think the idea with that, they're just going to soften people up when they release Zingy Dingy finally. I would love to see that. By American Pinball. Yeah, I would love to see Zingy Dingy. If you don't know what that is. Google it. Yeah, Google it. Zingy Dingy. Let's not derail that. I've seen the pictures of the play field. They should still be on the Internet somewhere in the adult section. Basically, picture a bride of Pinball, but it's a naked chick. Yeah, and a guy.
    33:01
    The adult section. That's actually what the rumor is that that's what got Capcom Pinball shut down because the executives came in and they saw that, that Python was working on, and went, oh, my God.
    33:15
    Yeah, you know what? Oktoberfest looks fun. It's got some cool music. It's not Oopa Band music. It's more guitar-oriented, metal-type rock and roll.
    33:25
    It just looks like a lot of fun, man. Yeah, if it's anything like Houdini, it's going to be great. I love Houdini. And with lighter, you know, a little bit more open shots. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to it. So, yeah. When I saw it with the barrel on it, the first thing I said is, it looks like Donkey Kong. A lot of people said that. And what's wrong with that, you know? I mean, beer, Donkey Kong, bratwurst, girls in whatever the little outfits are, the little, what is it? The St. Pauly girl outfit. Hubba hubba. And monkeys. It's called like a spanking monkey. Don't ask me. It's D-I-R-N-D-L. Drindle? Spanking monkey? But that's what the St. Polly girl wears. Oh, okay. A drindle. Okay. Well, it works for me. It's like chick leader hosing. Chick leader hosing. That's easier to pronounce. I love the flippers on this game. I don't know, man. It's Kimball. Lighten up. Lighten up, Francis. Yeah, right. Lighten up, Francis. Yeah, let's just, you know, just, it's like, oh, the monkey's spanking a girl.
    34:27
    It's a cartoon monkey and cartoon girl serving cartoon beer. It's a pinball machine, for Pete's sake. Well, you know, the argument is that it's not respectful, right? And you're looking for inclusion. It's 2018. So, yeah, maybe it was a little tone deaf to go for that. But at the same time, it's just like it's not that big a deal. The game looks great. It's probably going to be super fun. American pinball is for real. And monkeys don't know any better. Have you guys ever actually observed monkeys? They are filthy, dirty animals. Back in my Navy days, there was a bar at a seafood restaurant in Pearl City, Hawaii. That's a Navy story. Take a shot.
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    Cheers. October Fest. Anyway. November. November Fest. Anyway, so it's called the Monkey Bar. And the whole back of the bar is like a 40, 50-foot-long terrarium filled with little spider monkeys. And they do what monkeys do. So you can watch them throw their own feces and molest each other and take shots, basically. We would sit there during monsoon season and eat shrimp cocktails or shrimp and talk to the bartender about baseball in the mainland and the island. Get your ass spanked by a monkey. Well, we'd get spanked, but we'd just sit there and watch those monkeys. And the drunker you get, the funnier they get. Brian, it's not inclusive. The monkeys only spanked the woman. Look. Did you ever think that maybe the monkeys were watching you? They were. And they were also sodomizing each other. They're all looking at these dumb humans. I'm going to stick this where it doesn't belong. So, not yet. Look.
    36:02
    So, what we're saying is this is not thematically correct because monkeys sodomize each other, not human women. That's right. Well, not normally. Super monkey ball. I think they're making a mountain out of a molehill. Look. So, again, you know, it's 2018, and, you know, I have a daughter, a grown daughter, who always taught her to respect herself. And, you know, being a dad who, you know, owns guns, yeah, you better respect my daughter. And she married a wonderful man who does respect her. I'm very grateful for that.
    36:31
    You know, it's a film with artwork, and it's tongue-in-cheek, and it's – don't give me a word, somebody. Satire? Thank you. You know, it's silly, cheeky humor, and don't make a big deal. It looks like it's going to be a lot of fun. I can't wait to play it, and I hope it does really well. Hopefully there will be one on location near us soon or at a local pinball show. So all of our listeners out there, don't take anything we say too seriously. It's just a beer-induced podcast. But, you know, it's pinball. Go out, have fun, play pinball at a location, support your local route operator. If you don't have a league or a club in your area, start one. have some fun um it's a fun leisure time activity don't take it too seriously um some of the older art might be offensive um but they're in viper uh yeah we just played you know we just played farfalla farfalla and from and with she had jubblies well yeah and she this is the european glass so instead of a less sheer top she's wearing something very see-through and there's nip action man. Nip action. Poking through the sweaters. Don't be so provincial, people.
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    But it's European. There's no open. It's much to go about nothing. It looks like a lot of fun. I can't wait to play it. It's more new pinball with all kinds of really neat, nifty things going on. I think it'll be a lot of fun. That's just my two cents. I'm starting to really... Heineken's kicking in. Want another one?
    38:08
    Another brought to you by Heineken. I'm not driving. I'm at home. He loves Medieval Madness, right? Medieval Madness is a little bit naughty. Yeah. All the princesses say kind of racy things. It's cheeky. It's not even. Ooh, big dragon, but I bet you're bigger. Right. Come on. It's just. It's. How dire. Okay. Why can't anybody have fun? Two words. Three words. El Vira. Okay. But. I need the general bread now. That's different. That's grandma boobs. Those are okay. That's exactly it. Oh, yeah. That's exactly what everybody says. Tonight's also brought to you by the gingerbread man bottle opener. Elvira's all, you know, she's like a feminist icon, and she controls the innuendo and this, that, and this. She controls the vertical? She has the innuendo. There's no difference, right? There's no difference at all. It's like the reason it's there is because it's funny, right? funny because that's where we all take it. It's hopefully not hurting anybody and if it's hurting you, I'm sorry. Don't look at it. Okay? Thank you. Elvira scarred my eyes. I'm talking more about the monkey grabbing ass. Yeah, but it's a monkey grabbing cartoony butt. The first critique I've heard about it was not the monkey. It was actually, because the play feels very busy. And then there's a prototype they showed they are gonna make changes. You know what it reminds me of
    39:42
    Comet cyclone hurricane yeah where they show the amusement park from above right? Yeah, all the little tiny people is extremely busy playfield. Yeah
    39:52
    Okay Well you told me to and I wasn't gonna turn down that off I was just a comic pinball quote right I actually kind of hurt no offense. You don't kind of mind me as a business I'd be offended that it hurt your arm. I always found Circus Voltaire to be a busy play field But I like that game It quirky and it unique But yeah I wondering how busy the play field is on both the Circus Voltaire
    40:24
    I have no idea what you're talking about. Just with all the colors. Yeah. But I like it. Are those both pinball machines? They are. I like how you can twerk those. Well, they were before I started drinking, so. I don't want to know what you just said. Ring Master?
    40:37
    Did Alex say he was twerking? No, the Ring Master was twerking on Circus Voltaire. All right. Yeah, we're on the monsters.
    40:44
    All I've seen is the cat bar. It's got Dragula. I could get you a thumbs up. That's the coolest car that Paris ever did. There's nothing to know. And yes, it is. It's not the coolest, but it is very cool. Yes, Dragula is the coolest car Paris ever did. I think the coach is cooler than Dragula. No, you're wrong. It is cooler. No, you're wrong. For one thing, Dragula is a one-seater, and the coach can hold the whole family. Why do you want to take the family with you when you're going out doing that stuff? Besides, is the coach on the game? Because I don't want to know. Since coach isn't on the game, you're on the coach. Well, it's on the other version. Ah, fuck off. I don't want to die alone.
    41:19
    We're going to die alone. No cursing. Do you really want to get into this? I know, right?
    41:28
    I tried last year to die alone. It didn't work out. So what are you going to do? Are you sure not Munstang? Just Munsters? I don't remember Munstang. Why not? Anyway, so, yeah. We haven't really seen anything except some leaked photos, which we don't even know if they're real or not, but I think they are. I mean, we know it's coming. They look cool. They do.
    41:52
    Well, you know, we were talking the other night at a league. I'm not into the TV show. I mean, I watched it as a little kid. I tried watching Adam's Family a couple years back, like we talked about a league night the other night. It just doesn't hold up for me. Good show. I was like, are you taking a pee in the kitchen?
    42:08
    So, yeah. That's my son, Mickey. We'll see what happens. The art that's been shown, if it's real, the cab art looks good. Right. But, you know, that could just be some Joe Schmo with Photoshop. The lesser cab art. There's a real busy one that's all sorts of bright colors, and that's just hideous. That doesn't scream Munsters to me because I remember Munsters being in black and white. Exactly, and that's where I went with it. I think that the more colorful one was the problem.
    42:41
    Was the which one? Oh, the pro? The pro. Yeah, he was trying to explain it to me, and it's like, okay, the planer cab is the more expensive. It's the LE, I think. Yeah, I was going to tell him that. Where did the flies come from? Where it shows the black and white is supposed to be. I think what everybody got here and make it left the door open.
    43:02
    What are you guys even talking about? And now, a word from our tech support. Hello, this is Kosh in Tech Support speaking. Also, remember to play pinball and keep America strong. Thank you. That was Carlos from Tech Support, my nine-year-old son, Mickey. From Indiana, right? Yeah. Yeah, from Indiana. Gary, Indiana. That's right. Not monthly. Lebanon, Kansas.
    43:28
    Anyway, where were we? Monsters. The cab art. Yeah, the cab art. That's all we have. We have really cool features it's supposed to have.
    43:38
    I'd be wrong. This is supposed to be the premium. Yeah, supposed to be the premium. You know, there's a couple games I didn't add in here we can talk about. You know, as long as Fred Gwynn at some point in the Monsters game says, the two Utes, I'll be a happy man. Right. Did you say Utes? The two Utes. So, Monster Bash reissue? Yeah. That's been getting a lot of voices.
    44:03
    $6, man. The price point's amazing. It is. and I'm sure a lot of people who have Monster Bashes are going to be very upset who bought them at a premium but whatever. Brad's trying to sell his original right now. I think he sold it. Did he sell it? Damn, I wanted it. That was a good price. Why pay for that one when you can get a brand new one for $6,000? I guess some people don't like the light show of the new one with the dual. Remember you got your three versions, right? The $6,000 one is basically a Monster Bash. It's like you're having an original Monster Bash just with the Williams logos removed. It's like my MMR, except for with an average then you take your step up and you have your premium and it's got the color changing light show, which some people would bad mouth because that person bad mouths everything. Who is that person? Name names, man. I'm not going to name names. I believe it's America's Hat. America's Hat? Then you have the LE, which has got the power going It's not Canada. It's someone I actually know. Oh, wow. Canada's not bitching about anything? Oh, I'm sure Canada's bitching about it.
    45:11
    And then, of course, you have your Limited, which is the same thing as the Premium, but it has a sweet topper. Exactly. And the topper is pretty dope. It's pretty nice looking, but I don't think it's near as good as the Attack from Mars topper they did. The lighting on it is really cool. Did you watch the stream? I did not watch it. Reno Pinball did a stream on it. No, I did. The Reno Pinball stream. I wish, yeah. It was not. I mean, and Josh Carino Pinball, who's a bunch of gangsters. It was not a great stream, but it was a great game. They figured it out probably about, what, a half hour in. They really managed to put it together. But, yeah, it's a great game. And it's available on location, one of the first ones I've discovered, at Press Start Reno, a bar date they opened up a year ago. I think that is the first one on location anywhere. I'm going to knock it out of the park right now with the Reno shout-out to the Reno crew, Mark Scoff, who wrote and recorded our theme song, the Spitterslet theme song. So shout out as always to our good friend Mark. And since I'm doing shout outs anyway, Jim Martin, to the Bay Area crew, and the Practical Steve shout out. My constant. I mean, hey, Practical Steve, boo. To the guys in the Bay Area, salute. Salute. Salud Yeah you gotta catch up Hee Haw We were talking about Hee Haw the other day Yeah my councilman which we're going to get to a little bit later Who's really huge in the pinball community Up in Reno One of my favorite quotes he said Sorry to interrupt One of my favorite quotes he said If you do not know how to shake a game Not shaking a pinball machine Is like getting on a bike And refusing to pedal damn right god bless him man that's awesome i gotta remember those about to flip we salute you okay so after monsters there was a couple oh and matt wants a battery issue okay um a few of my actually forgot well there's the pinball brothers who have taken over ownership ish of uh sharp brothers uh no no it's it's the people who essentially stole what was left of highway pinball before liquidation they're talking about they liquidated and completely screw anyone who Highway Pinball owed money, which was pretty much everybody.
    47:30
    Okay, so the Queen game, and Alex saw the Queen biopic tonight. I wouldn't buy that game if they were selling it for $10. Great movie, by the way. Okay. I don't know enough about it, so will this... It doesn't exist yet? It's because of the ethics of the company, right? If they did what they did, you know, and I mean, it's all conjecture, but the way it looks is like they basically strip-mined Highway for the assets, then they went bankrupt, and left all the creditors holding the bag. There you go. So if they make another pinball out of all that, it's just like I don't care how good it is. It's like it's painful. Bad on you guys. All right, we'll move on. Oh, and I forgot Spooky. Fine on you. I wrote this after doing the dishes and cleaning up the game room. Good job, sir. I wrote this whole little outline in like eight minutes. So anyway, Spooky, Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle with shipping boys and girls. Yay, thumbs up from Brian. Yes, that game. Really cool. Even though it was basic code and GSPF, freaking amazing. It's got the coolest cab artwork since Big Bang Bar. Right. You can argue all you want, but you're wrong. No, the artwork on that is absolute. If you haven't seen it yet, and any new game, if you see pictures and video, I promise you, listeners, it does not do it justice. We got to see it this last May at the Golden State Pinball Festival, which is 197 days away. Woo! Yeah! The 2019 Golden State Pinball Festival in Lodi, California at the Lodi Great Festival. Fairgrounds. So I want to get an opinion from everybody, right? So we got a three-way monster pinball death match. Damn right. Right? Yeah. So you got your monsters, which we don't know much about. We got your Alice Cooper, which is early, but I think all of us have touched it, right? Yeah. Yes.
    49:17
    Inappropriately. We got your Monster Bash remake. Monster Bash Remake is a fantastic classic game. Which one would you spend your money on? Alice Cooper. I'd probably say Alice. I mean, I love Monster Bash. It's one of my favorites.
    49:35
    Monsters I haven't seen yet, so I can't say right now. I'm going to go Alice for the win. Alice Cooper is so good. Because it's Alice, man. I could care less about Alice Cooper. I mean, I'm not trying to badmouth Alice Cooper as an artist. I don't hate him. I've heard his songs. You're not in love with it. It's not anything that I've ever heard. I've never heard any of his music or anything, but that game is awesome looking. I can't wait to see it with code, and we have a local guy who's getting one. So I can't wait. Shout out to Michael Hozier. Yo, yo, yo, Mike Hozier. The commissioner of the capital corridor of Pinball League. The commish, our guiding light. The wind in our sails. The commander in chief. The COC. You complete me, Michael. The cock. Oh!
    50:22
    Dude. That got inappropriate. Well, the show's definitely not as family friendly as it used to was. Your discretion was definitely advised. A Quinn Martin production. Spencer, it just depends on the thing. Which one would you do, Alex? Which one? The potential of Monsters as a stern. The known quantity of Monster Bash remake for $6,000 or what Alice Cooper could be if the code's as good as it's supposed to be. I think I'm going to have to go with Alice Cooper. There you go.
    51:05
    Okay, now I'm going to be the odd man out here because even though I haven't seen it, I love the theme of the Munsters. You can't sit through the show now because, well, it's – The show's still really good. I watch the episodes on YouTube. Yeah, man. Fred Gwynn, that dude's timeless. He is. And who was the wife? She was already motion-justice by Frankenstein. That was DiCarlo. DiCarlo, yeah. Yeah, she was good. It was good. You just can't get beyond where the niece was considered so hideous. That's where my concern comes in with this. Everybody's going to be like, oh, it's the new Addams Family. And I think that's what everybody's excited about Monsters For. I think everybody thinks it's going to be the Addams Family. It's not. Which, like, yeah, well, it could be, right? It could be, but. Here's the thing. It's a Borg design. And Borg has already shown that he's not afraid to rip off people, especially himself. So who knows? Maybe he'll just luller the shit out of it and it'll be, like, exactly like the Addams Family, but modern. And if they do that, I mean, I hate to say that that'd be, like, a really cop-out-y move, but, uh, be witch. okay who's the designer on Munsters? Borg yeah that's right there's no more conjecture like Borg has said that it's done that they'll be announcing it you know I think that the Beatles announcement got kind of rushed because the Beatles fan club is going to announce it or the Beatles something or the other who cares so we'll rush out the Munsters but they said that they're going to announce Munsters before the end of the year they're basically going to run them both so probably sometime this month in November because they're definitely not going to wait until after Christmas and remember Christmas is coming don't you know that show Christmas is coming this year Rusty so is the Golden State Pinball Festival in 197 days oh salute it's dot com right gotta go go Okay, so I think we've covered pretty much all the pinball machines we're talking about. There's still the Mafia.
    53:19
    Who cares? Bless their heart for putting out a game, but I don't think there's enough there, especially at the price point. Aren't they making 100 of them?
    53:29
    I don't know. And it's like $3,000? It's $7,500, yeah. Which for $7,400, you can get an Oktoberfest. So, you know, for $4,000 or $5,300, you can get any of the Stern Pros that are still on the line. Yes, sir. No, they're like $5,700 now. I thought I'm aware of it. Well, then I'm not buying it. Yeah, I know. No spanking monkeys.
    53:53
    Can you spank a sea monkey? Shut up, you. I hope that if they ever make a monkeys pin, it's just Sea Witch with no graphics with white out on it. And see who gets the joke.
    54:04
    That's funny because, who is it? Mike Nesbitt's mom and created Whiteout? Yes. Right over Dance Head.
    54:12
    For what it's worth, I'm a huge Monkeys fan. That's funny. I think that's actually one of the better George Barrett's cars as well. The goggles. The goggles, they do nothing.
    54:27
    Everybody knows the best Barrett's car is the Batmobile. You don't need to shut the fuck up. Pinnagogo was what, two weeks ago? Three weeks ago. Oh, yeah, I couldn't make it this year because I was on a campery with my boys trail life troop. For those who didn't get to go or fairly new to the hobby, it had a very old school pre-2008 feel to it. It was very small compared to what most people are used to when they think pinnagogo. It was just one building. There was two rows. The crowds were low key. It was relatively quiet. The only real downside was that we hadn't had any real big vendors. great lineup of games. That was the only complaint I heard was lack of vendors. Yeah, great lineup of games. They had all sorts of new games. You know, Deadpools were there. Pirates was there. Shout out to Pinball Pirate. Chris Coons for bringing all the new stuff in. Shout out to Chris Coons. They had Iron Maiden there. A bunch of great old games. Bat 66. They had the Batman. I think the only thing I don't recall seeing there, and correct me if I'm wrong, is I don't recall seeing a Twilight Zone. Wow. And that was... that was about it. You know, they have almost everything. They had great old games too. There's a great joust, uh, got turned on to laser cue,
    55:41
    which is incredibly frustrating, which makes it awesome. Yeah. You know, I had a great time playing and you know, it was 20 bucks for the weekend. You really can't argue with that. And that's at the, uh, Fairgrounds in Dixon, California. Uh, used to be the weekend after mother's day, but that's now the golden state pinball festival. It's a lot of great festival in the load. I California. Uh, So it's second weekend of October now? I think that's what they're going to be shooting for. Yeah, second weekend of October. So if you're in Northern California, second weekend of October next year, look up Pinnagogo and look it up online. I don't know. Go to Pinnside, go to Pinball Map, look it up online. I'm sure it's Pinnagogo.com. Or Seth at TheSpinnerIsLit at gmail.com. And we'll get your direction to Dixon and the wonderful longest-running pinball show west of the Mississippi, Pinnagogo. and they had a Deadpool Premium and Pro so shout out to them they had a great EM room and there was a fair amount of games there for sale some were very decently priced some were overpriced and I got to turn Dan on to the world's worst game called Shack Attack oh Shack Attack I have still never played that game Crap Attack that game sucks but you know what, an absolutely fantastic game criminally underrated is Big Hurt. I love Big Hurt. Criminally underrated. Great flow. Great shot. Grand slam. Fun game. Baseball theme. Who doesn't love baseball? It's the American Pass. It doesn't even take steroids to play. It's the only game I can play. Great skill shot off the plunge. That was a skill shot. To the upper flipper to the top target. Yeah. Great. Really good fun game. Not overly deep, but it's baseball. It doesn't have to be deep. It just has to be fun. So thanks for the Not trip report They're sharing road stories Alex you got some road stories Rusty and I have some road stories We have some road stories together Alright well Like I said the trip report was A terrific fascination Obviously but for now I went like I said Support Holy Diver That's a really great place I went down today too To Punchbowl Social Now, this is kind of a little different story.
    57:57
    The pinball's played okay, but the playfields are kind of filthy. So that's kind of the opposite way of looking at a pinball when you go to a location. That's more social. Clean your playfields, folks. Clean your playfields. Always clean your playfields. We're putting money into them. Luckily, it played well. Otherwise, I would have really been mad. Well, Dan, you and Alex both went to Reno to Mike Huntsman's. No, it was Mike Hozier and that. No, no, no. You and Mike Hozier. We went separately. Yeah. But we both went. Okay. Just not together. All right. So you're not picking out curtains.
    58:32
    No streams were crossed is what you're saying. We did not cross the stream. I hear that famous. That would be bad. Good safety tip, gentlemen. Thank you. He gets a candy bar. He had a Ghostbusters. Friday Till was diabetic. All right.
    58:50
    Yeah. We went out to Mike Huntsman's show. It was an exhibition of his photography and some of his machines. It was absolutely fantastic. You could go in there. You could see his work. You could actually buy it on the spot.
    59:07
    He had an absolutely fantastic array of photographs taken all over the country, right? Yeah, absolutely. And then he had a nice selection of machines. He really tried to have a little bit from all the eras. So he had his Bride of Pinbot there. He had Aftor, which I'd never played. I played it at Golden State. What a fun game. What a surprisingly weird game.
    59:29
    I made sure to play that because it's so weird. Play his cocktail games if you go to his house. Yeah, he didn't have them there. Rotation 8. Rotation 8 is fun. Caribbean Cruise.
    59:40
    What else did he have there? He had a Baracora. Nice. He had a – A Fact from Mars. He had AFM and Ghostbusters and a couple older games. 4 Million BC. I love EM. Great game. One of the ones that had like a rocket thing. Really fun. Adam had that game, but now it's in the wonderful carrying hands of our good brother, Practical Steve. And then we played a game of stall ball, which is really, really fun.
    60:03
    And like I said, I walked out with a couple friends. Kick out. Yeah, it was really, really good. And he kicked out whole. And then the other player runs away. And then the next person comes and tries to do the same. If they drain, then they're out. Oh, cool. But it's in the hole. It's in the hole. Just get it in the hole. Get in the hole. If you don want to stop if you stop the ball then you jump out of the way and the next person has to jump up If you don yeah If you drop the ball if you drain you get a strike you get three strikes you out So it horse If you don know Michael Huntsman he out of Reno Nevada He's a great guy, a great pinhead, route operator, just a real asset to pinball and the hobby. He's what pinball needs. Yeah, and he started the very first, hopefully will continue, Midnight Madness Pinball Tournament. Michael's Midnight Madness. Michael's Midnight Madness Pinball Tournament at the Golden State Pinball Festival. in Lodi, California at the Lodi Great Festival Fairgrounds. Weekend after Mother's Day. Okay, you can quit shilling it now. We all know where it is. And I'm not paid for this, man. I just do it because I love it. He volunteers this year. He volunteers. So, yeah, if you come this year and make sure if you're going to be out late having fun, come and do the Midnight Madness Tournament. And if you see Michael, you kind of recognize him right away. If you've seen pictures of him, he's a pretty righteous dude. You know, tell him hello. Tell him thank you. He's a righteous dude. Don't be shy about walking up to any of us and just saying hi. And we love to hear from you. We love to hear positive feedback and good critiques. Negative feedback is always good. Negative feedback is always good, too. He bites. Oh.
    61:33
    Because I got called. I think you just said that on live TV. I think doucheful is almost like a comment that belongs on this show. Yeah, it kind of does.
    61:45
    Danpool? Well, Rusty and I have our little sharing recent road stories, and with Alex, too, and then with all of you because you were all there at one. We went to the Flipper Room in Concord, California. They do custom framing of artwork. They sell beautiful, amazing pieces of artwork you can buy, and they have an absolutely amazing, fantastically well-kept collection of wonderful pinball machines. Maintained by Mike Moretti. God bless Mike Moretti. I forget his last name, though. but he also helps out. Is that the owner? Mike Moretti is the owner. Okay. I met him. I forgot his name. I'm sorry. His wife and their children and just a lovely family. And they were so inviting and just wonderful people. We had a party there for the volunteers for the Golden State Pinball Festival. Shilling again.
    62:34
    Where is that festival? Lodi, California. That's a beautiful Lodi, California, Spencer. Home of the Zinfandel. Great. What weekend is it? It's the Pinfidel Grape It's the Pinfest Exactly It's the Pinfest They do custom framing They sell artwork They have an amazing collection That place is hardcore It is legit They have a beautiful pristine Almost museum quality Capcom Pinball Magic They have Alien I believe Alien has been removed from there They have a great collection of games Some early 80s games I think a couple of late 70s games All the way up to some of the newest games out there I believe they still currently have The Guardians of the Galaxy They do not have Guardians They got rid of Guardians They do have a Bat 66 I just saw on Pennside That Mike may have added And then they also have a Joust Oh they got a Joust We were there a couple months back September.
    63:45
    If you're in the Bay Area, California, check out the Flipper Room. This one is a little bittersweet. Rusty and I took our family, our boys, and met up with Alex and another couple of our lead guys, Greg and Eric, Eric Selford.
    64:06
    We went to the... Playland, not at the beach. their final weekend, Labor Day weekend. Was it Labor Day weekend? Yes, it was. Weekend after. It was Labor Day weekend. Because I was at the Giants game that day. That's right. So we went Labor Day weekend. They're now closed. They're now a historical footnote. But this is why it's so important to support your local route operator, your local location that has games to play, whether it be, you know, pinball, video games, dartboard, school, whatever you're going to feel. So, Dan, couldn't bless you with a beer. Dan's looking for a beer. You want a beer? I think we have – do we have more? I have a beer. I wanted a beer. We have more in the pantry. Do you want any Pepsis?
    64:48
    I'm not going to give it to you. So, we have more in the fridge. So, anyway, we're back to the drinks. No, it was really fun. There's so much more than pinball. There was so much more than pinball there. There were circus sideshow oddities like the shrunken head and the two-headed mermaid. The play at the beach was a Bay Area institution. It was. I was there years ago, and I went with my dad, and he was old enough to remember going to the original play at the beach. Right. A lot of people are not. It was amazing. Steve Ritchie tells stories about when he was a kid with his sister and his brother going to play at the beach and playing pinball. He's from that area. They had a lot to sell. and even as an adult that thing creeps me out. That's just, it's creepy. It's really sad that it closed and I couldn't find a different location.
    65:45
    Several people I know got stuff from the auction. It wasn't cheap. No, it wasn't. There's a gentleman on the pink side who's restoring the white water from there. It's been a very interesting read to see what the game kind of shape it was in.
    65:57
    I couldn't afford anything at the auction, but it's sad that it's gone. 7K Adams? Yeah, I'll take it. Yeah, it's a sad day because they had so much more in pinball. The magic show, we caught one of the final magic shows, and it was amazing.
    66:13
    Had an it's it. Yeah. One of the original ice cream treats from the original Playland at the Beach. Yeah. The it's it. I remember you nodding on that it's it. And then us down the block to the Wienerschnitzel for chili dogs.
    66:28
    Chili, chili, chili. Yeah, so that was – how do you think about some Playland at the Beach? I loved it. It was, the guys, they all kind of focused on the pinball machines. And I enjoyed the machines. But they had just the most amazing collection of Christmas villages, the kind you would display in your house. They had a Halloween villages.
    66:50
    They had one that was Dickens themed, so Victorian setting villages. It was really, really nice to see how well they were put together.
    67:06
    And I'm just watching the crowd at the table, and they're, I don't know, they're tripping each other out. I think it's just because my talking is boring. No, it's because I'm going like this with one eye because I'm getting a little buzz. So it's pirate night. Brought to you by Heineken. I am having a Pepsi. So they also had every game there was technically a redemption game. Everybody got coupons.
    67:34
    Coupons. Rod White was amazing. Rod White, yes. They had some really neat – they had like a ski ball there, like stuff like you see at the original Playland at the beach, the Cornwall Games or the Boardwalk. They had a really great bowling ball game where you had a ramp, and you can't see my hand doing this on the podcast, but you push the ball up the ramp. It goes down into a dip, and then it goes up the ramp some more, and then it comes back. And the whole point is to leave the ball in the dip and not have it come back down the ramp at you. Free America, they had a row of those, a bank of those still. I don't know if those still exist. I remember playing the spot on those as a kid because you could go from bowling balls. One was they're all different weights. Right. The secret was you had to find the one that was the weight you were used to. Coming from the industry, I could kind of tell it was. But those were always my favorite fun game to play. You had to get over that initial hill, but you could. You had to get stuck in that valley, and that was difficult. And my 9-year-old and 11-year-old, they could do it. I could not. I didn't get the bowling ball. The circus. They had a miniature circus. They know how to handle their ball. Their dad has taught them well. It was amazing. It was something like 30,000 pieces all hand carved. The back story was the family had scarlet fever, so they were quarantined. So the dad started carving the animals and the circus performers, and the mom started making the tents and the clothing. It was all on display in their little museum. and it was truly an amazing thing to see the old world craftsmanship of this monstrously huge miniature circus I don't know who won that but I would hope that Museum Mechanic put in a bid because that would definitely be something that would fit in there I'm glad you mentioned the Museum Mechanic if you're ever in San Francisco obviously in California head down to Pier 39 there's a great museum down there an arcade called the Museum De Mechanic I think it was Pier 39 I think it was Peter 47, if I recall. Oh, is it 47? Yeah, that's where the parking is. It's over by the original Boudin's. Yeah, it's by Boudin's. It's by Fisherman's Wharf. It's by Boudin's, and it says Pimpanito. Yeah, and it's real close to Aliotta's and all that. Hello, museum mechanic. Yeah, they've got some great pinball machines. If you're into pitching bats, they've got all that great old pitching bats. They've got both mechanical arcade games and then your traditional video games. Tons of unique stuff. They have tons of unique stuff. They have a Death Race arcade game there. Addams Family Values. Addams Family Values, yeah. Not just beyond that type of stuff. They have the arm wrestling game. Yeah. Where people would get injured back in the day. The old boxing game. They had the boxing game. They had that one unique one with the, I think it's a sledgehammer. Yeah. Where you have to close it like this, and every time it gets harder and harder. It's like, shout out to Dan Zielinski. Stuff you're not going to see anywhere else on the planet or have a real hard time finding somewhere else. I was there in April. Yeah. Went with Michelle and my nieces. we had a lot of fun in there I love that place I will say I think Michelle was about in tears when she saw the Indiana Jones play field well it's rough it's a routed Indiana Jones it plays good it's great it's there it's able to be played it's cleanish it's a routed Indiana Jones it's in line shape and it's probably the second most played Indiana Jones that's routed on the planet yeah the Adams fan last time I was there, Indiana Jones played great. Adam's family played great. The Pirates of the Caribbean, the Stern version. They bought that brand new. Yeah, it was clean and it played great. All the games were clean and played great. I noticed the extra flipper button there on the Pirates, too. They have some great old EMs. They had an ice review, I think. Yeah. They had an ice review. They had one of the old valley vacuum-operated gun games where you actually shoot projectiles. Right. And, of course, all the cool animated stuff that takes a quarter where you put the quarter in and you watch a guy get hanged Yes, that's what I also loved about Playland on the Beach, the old little flicker shows. The very unique stuff that they have. I don't see anywhere else. I'm not going to go to a pinnacle and see one of them. No, you're not. When we were at the museum, though, they had a little bit of something for everybody, up to and including a sorting hat from Harry Potter.
    72:02
    Laughing Sal. It's a great place to go. There's a little bit of something for everybody. You can get fish and chips nearby. and see some cool street performers.
    72:15
    It's a good time. It's my sweatshirt that says San Francisco on it. There you go. Step over some hobos. There you go. Yeah.
    72:21
    Just don't step on their needles or their excrement. But, you know, when you're out traveling, get on Google. Ask people.
    72:36
    Where's a cool place to find old arcade games and old pinballs or new pinballs? So support these kind of locations because if they don't get your support, they go away.
    72:47
    And, you know, magic shows and things like that, they're part of yesteryear. Circuses are going away.
    72:55
    There are wonderful things out there that we don't want to give up and let go. If you've got a drive-in near your town, I strongly suggest you support that. We live one freeway exit from a drive-in, and we've been twice in the last week. So, hey, in California, the weather is still 80 degrees. so yeah it's falls upon us it's cool down to winter is 85 you can go to the drive-in on Christmas Eve where we live it's pretty rad 24 hours of the Christmas story I might have a white Christmas what's that I might have a gap here that's where you'll shoot your eye out okay because for some reason I lost internet connection this might be the best show ever we might yeah okay we're reconnected Okay, so if we have a gap in the recording, I apologize. I seem to have lost internet connection. That's what Heineken does to you, folks. That's what Heineken does to you. I lose my interconnection.
    73:51
    Yeah, we're not connecting for it at all. If you put your head on the back of your brain, you'll be Charles Xavier. I'm so drunk it ruins the Wi-Fi.
    74:02
    So, okay, guys, we're on final thoughts. I have psychic power. We're on to final thoughts and shout outs. Let's start with Rusty. Final thoughts. Total blast over at the Bannister. So shout out to the Bannister clan. Christian Boucher. Evan, Brian, and William.
    74:22
    And had a wonderful time at their house. With the new pirates. Enjoyed it. It was awesome. And they're such a great and wonderful family and we're glad that they're our friends. Yes, they're wonderful. Everybody in our league and our group, just the best people and God bless you. Holy cow. I'm really sorry I started bringing up Ryan and I screwed that up. Big shout out and even bigger thanks to everyone who opens their home to us in Capital Quarter of Pimble League. Yes. Big shout outs. Jack Hosier, Chris Bannister, Eric Neff, Adam Presler, Dan DeFriend. And I had fun this week. Thanks for having me.
    75:07
    Awesome. It's always great to have you guys over. And Jack Jarrett. Go clog the toilet.
    75:15
    I am the pipe dominator. Junkyard. Obviously a super exciting week for pinball here in NorCal with the league night on Thursday, with the unboxing on Friday, with the podcasting tonight. So what are we doing tomorrow? Exactly. We've got to think of something. Pinball is just all over the place up here at NorCal, thanks to guys like Spencer and the Bannisters and Mike and the CCPL organizers. The cock. All the cock. Great. He's a muy grande cock.
    75:54
    I'd be offended if I saw Monkey spank a girl. Oh, no. Two. He's spanking two girls simultaneously. It's like, yeah, and I mean, we have great locations. We have a great league. We have great players. And I would like to go ahead and just add that Alex had maybe his worst weekend league ever. Woo! I won. It does.
    76:18
    Alex, yeah, you were having an off night there. Yeah, it was the EM night. You don't have those very often. I played a lot of EMs. Did we catch the Neff family and that wonderful human to Coast League night? Yes. The Neff family. Awesome, man. That's how drunk I am. Except for Eric. No, I mean, especially Eric. I'd really like to. Shout out to Cheddar. I love you, brother. Get the cheddar, man. My favorite kind of cheese. I like to remind that, you know, I had a great time listening to the three teenage girls argue about heights. Y'all are five three. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, you are all five three. Chimera, Kendra, and I'm sorry. No. Chimera. Oops. Yeah, well, Kendra's not a teenage girl. Nope. Nor am I five three. No. They're arguing about it. So I was like, I'm four five three. She's five. Two and a half. My final thoughts and shout outs. Oh, Alex. Alex doesn't have any thoughts. Oh, wow. I mean.
    77:07
    Shout out to Bud Barkin. That was. He was so impressed by my sick burn on you that he took off barking.
    77:16
    Shout out to Bud the dog for watching the house. Mickey, what's your final thoughts, buddy? No. Security. Final thoughts, Mickey. What did you think of the unboxing last night? Shout out to Carlos from TeleSupport. There we go. That's right. Carlos does an excellent job. In Indiana. Gary, Indiana. Not Monday. Nope. You get a shout out to Michael Danger Give us a quick shout out to Michael Danger There's a shout out to Michael Danger Is he related to Jack Danger?
    77:40
    I think it's just going Okay I think everything's good I think so So final thoughts And shout outs Well I did a shout out to some of our local guys Some of our Rad operators Joe Bates, Steve Burrell Ken Gordon Yes Holy diver. It's Abate. Joe Abate. Sorry. Joe Abate, who just had a birthday. Shout-outs to our good friends in the league.
    78:12
    Kendra, thank you for coming tonight. It's the first time for her on the podcast. And shout-out to some other members of our league.
    78:25
    Wow, I really am buzzed. Shout-out to High Speed for providing the siren over us. Yeah, that's most High Speed. Don't worry, that just happens around here anyway. Thank you, Moe, for having me on. I feel like I'm going to get caught, but all I know is good when I'm around my friends. To Vince and Caitlin who just had their wedding. We'll help you shoot your way out. Yeah, shout out to Caitlin and Vince. Yeah! God bless you both, and I hope you have many, many, many happy years together. Just lovely people. To my lovely daughter, Hannah. Our lovely daughter, Hannah, just had their first anniversary with her husband. Our son, Malcolm. Our son, Malcolm, and our other son, Seth, who were hiding out in their rooms. They were smart enough to do that tonight.
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    To our lovely daughter Hannah and our son-in-law Evan, just had their first anniversary. To all the wonderful listeners out there and all the pinheads everywhere, just keep playing pinball, keep supporting your local route operators,
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    support leagues and local tournaments, and talk at pinball and promote it where you can and keep this wonderful little hobby going. Drink beer. And we're a week away or so or what, three days away from an election or whatever. I don't care what you believe. I really don't, man. Just, you know what, be nice to each other because we're all in this together, and we're all citizens of America or the world if you're listening to us in another country. If you are, please let us know. Please let us know, man. You know, email us at thespinnerslit at gmail.com, and you can come on the show. Spinner is lit or Spencer is lit? Spencer is lit. And with that, we are going to – I'm going to go put on my glasses. so I can see where my beer and my key is. So with that, that's been Episode 15, Nacho Pinball.
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    You guys know the drill. Play pinball. Keep America growing. All right. Keep America growing. All right.
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    Right on. Oh, I'm on top of that. I'm just going to wait. Same thing, too. He was sitting under my foot. He was going to bite you.