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Episode 179 – Rush Hour

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 17m·analyzed·Jan 12, 2022
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt reviews Rush pinball and debates Twippy Award nominees.

Summary

Ron and Bruce discuss Stern Pinball's Rush reveal, breaking down playfield design similarities to X-Men, feature comparisons across Pro/Premium/LE tiers, and song selection. They also cover Twippy Awards voting across multiple categories, debating homebrew machines and noting that Poker represents the most original custom design work despite using less recognizable names.

Key Claims

  • Rush features the same basic playfield layout as X-Men with the Wolverine character removed

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce directly compare Rush to X-Men whitewood, noting pop bumpers, ramp positions, and overall shot layout are nearly identical

  • Tim Sexton and Raymond Davidson are on the Rush design team

    high confidence · Bruce mentions being told by Borg that 'Timmy's on this game. Jim Sexton's on my game.' and confirms 'Two slam tilters' worked on Rush

  • Mike Vanikor programmed the expression lighting for both Led Zeppelin and Rush

    high confidence · Ron states 'mike vanikor programmed the expression lighting just like he did on zeppelin'

  • Rush LE pricing is $1,000 while Pro/Premium match Godzilla pricing

    high confidence · Direct statement: 'LEs are sold out, right? Feature Matrix. Yeah, so $1,000 again. So that was kind of nice, seeing $1,000 again'

  • Expression lighting on Rush comes standard only on LE; Pro and Premium require paid upgrade kit

    high confidence · Bruce: 'expression lights are back, but only on the LE. Only on the LE comes with it. You can, Timmy did say, it comes with the Pro and the Premium, you have to pay extra'

  • Rush includes 16 songs from different eras and the primary complaint from Rush fans is that YYZ is not included

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce confirm '16 songs. Yep. From all different eras. Pretty much the only complaint I heard from anyone is that YYZ wasn't in it'

  • Poker homebrew machine shot the best of all homebrew nominees reviewed by Bruce

    high confidence · Bruce states: 'if I played all these games...my criteria is how does it shoot? That's like the first thing I look at. The game that shot the best...was that game with no head. That's the game that shot the best, which is poker'

  • Pinball Profile has released over 13 episodes in the current year

    medium confidence · Ron notes 'Pinball Profile. They did over 13 shows so far this year' but then clarifies release pattern shows only 3 episodes in second half of year (July, September, September 30)

Notable Quotes

  • “It's X-Men with a little bit of Twilight Zone because you get a clock”

    Bruce @ early — Concise comparison of Rush's design foundation to existing Stern games

  • “It's Borg, so it's name him after a ZZ Top album, Recycler. Yeah. Because everything gets recycled.”

    Ron @ early — Commentary on John Borg's design philosophy of reusing proven mechanics across games

  • “The owl from Fly By Night. It's a brunch song and album. And it's at the bottom. Instead of shoot again, it just says hoot again. I love that.”

    Bruce @ mid — Shows appreciation for thematic Easter egg in Rush playfield design

  • “That was the one [side art]. with the Rush logo, with the lines coming out of it. So what do you think of the stream?”

    Ron @ mid — References accidentally leaked Rush artwork that appeared in official materials

  • “Holy fucking douche chills. That's, uh, that'll, that'll work. No, of course it will. So why would he do that unless he was afraid of losing?”

    Ron and Bruce @ mid-late — Reaction to host offering Rush LE giveaway for voting—implies desperation about Twippy contest results

  • “If Ron wasn't buying Godzilla, this would be his pin.”

    Bruce @ early-mid — Assessment of Rush's appeal to typical collector audience

  • “Stern, they own all their shit. So when they would do the songs, it would be whatever era the song was from.”

    Ron @ mid — Explains advantage of Rush having full IP cooperation compared to Aerosmith

  • “Everything. Everything. He didn't use a P-Rock board. He didn't use a Sam board. He didn't use a Williams. He's Zach. He designed his own boards.”

    Bruce @ late — Distinguishes true homebrew from rethemed commercial games in Twippy debate

Entities

John BorgpersonTim SextonpersonRaymond DavidsonpersonMike VanikorpersonEd RobertsonpersonMike BernardpersonRushgameStern Pinball

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Twippy Awards voting manipulation allegation: unnamed podcast host offering Rush LE giveaway contingent on voting for his show, raising questions about award credibility

    medium · Ron and Bruce express shock: 'Holy fucking douche chills' and 'So why would he do that unless he was afraid of losing?' Chris identified by full name as offending party

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern stream chat during Rush reveal described as 'most positive' ever observed; notably civil and enthusiastic compared to typical community discussions

    medium · Bruce: 'It was the most positive chat I've ever seen in a reveal.' Ron agrees but notes 'a lot of BS also, like the idiots'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Rush positioned as premium collector title with band full cooperation, anticipated strong sales based on reveal reception and target demographic enthusiasm

    medium · Steve Keeler's chat enthusiasm noted; 'God, I got to have this. There's no way he's not getting one'; Bruce predicts strong selling

  • ?

    design_philosophy: John Borg continues recycling proven mechanics across games; Rush reuses X-Men layout (minus Wolverine), Metallica lock system, Avatar link mech and diverter, Monopoly pop bumpers, and Austin Powers time machine concept

    high · Ron: 'It's Borg, so it's name him after a ZZ Top album, Recycler. Yeah. Because everything gets recycled.' Bruce maps specific mechanics to source games

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Rush benefits from full IP cooperation with band; Rush owns all music rights and catalog, enabling era-appropriate song content unlike Aerosmith which lacked licensing

Transcript

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0:00
So, uh, Todd, since we're like friends, can you tell us how to like, you know, get chicks to do it? Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, tell us.
0:12
Roosting, man, you gotta get the sun in, tear it back, and have it, and grab it, and drive it, and then, woo, all right, and then you got her, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See? See, that's what I've been telling you, butthead.
0:43
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Say goodnight, Ron.
0:53
Wait a minute, this is the shortest episode ever? Yes. I'm not going to say goodnight because this is episode 179. How we doing, everyone? First one of the new year. Yes, this is the first one of the new year. A new era. Yes. Not really. No, not at all. Same era, same crap. Except for more expensive pinball. Yeah. But we're still here. We're still here. And I have no show notes. You have some show notes. I have some show notes. But not a lot. Not a lot. So what do you want to talk about first, sir? Well, I heard that Jersey Jacket got a new license, and, you know, it's really awesome. And American Pinball is putting out four pinballs this year. And P3 finally has two mainline things you want to play. License pin. Yeah, you actually want to play them. This isn't April Fool's. This is New Year. Oh, damn it.
1:50
So we'll just talk about a game that just, you know, they showed off. It's Rush. Wow, you sound so excited.

“To me, a homebrew, you have to completely design the play field. Some are if, like, Pincraft, which was done with Brian Smith...they took a Kings of Steel and they cut it and they modified it.”

Ron @ late — Defines homebrew criteria; questions whether heavily modified existing machines qualify

  • “The game that shot the best...was that game with no head. That's the game that shot the best, which is poker.”

    Bruce @ late — Endorsement of Poker homebrew based on shooting mechanics, the hosts' primary evaluation criterion

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    X-Mengame
    Metallicagame
    Avatargame
    Pokergame
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    Pinball Profilemedia
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    Ron Hallettperson
    Bruce Nightingaleperson
    Zachperson
    Twippy Awardsevent
    Stern Armyorganization
    Guns N' Rosesgame
    Pinsidewebsite/community

    high · Ron: 'Rush, they own all their shit. So when they would do the songs, it would be whatever era the song was from. So like Fly By Night is mid-70s rush'

  • $

    market_signal: LE pricing remains at $1,000; Pro/Premium match Godzilla pricing; expression lighting upgrade kit cost not specified but positioned as option rather than standard

    high · Ron: 'so $1,000 again. So that was kind of nice, seeing $1,000 again' and 'So the Pro and Premium were the same price as Godzilla, but the LE was more'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Tim Sexton confirmed as software engineer on Rush with ongoing wizard mode development; Raymond Davidson also engineering team; Ed Robertson (Barenaked Ladies) recorded speech content

    high · Bruce cites direct information from Borg about team composition; both identified as 'slam tilters' working on game

  • ?

    announcement: Rush officially revealed with Pro/Premium/LE variants; premium hybrid stream demonstrated gameplay; Mike Bernard artist first pinball design drawing community feedback

    high · Multiple official Stern video releases; stream with gameplay footage showing diverter, time machine mechanic, and action button functionality

  • ?

    product_strategy: Rush follows three-tier model with expression lighting exclusive to LE as standard, requiring paid kit for Pro/Premium; Pro and Premium priced identically to Godzilla; LE carries $1,000 price point

    high · Detailed feature matrix comparison including clock, diverter, ball lock system, clear window, and RGB/red-white lighting tiers

  • ?

    product_concern: Scoop sound effect issue during reveal stream sounds like Gottlieb tilt warning; diverter exhibited slowdown in demonstration but attributed to specific machine rather than design flaw

    medium · Ron: 'the sound the scoop makes. When the ball comes out, it sounds like a tilt warning on a Gottlieb' and 'the diverter...would hit the diverter and kind of slow down and then trickle out'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Rush wizard mode planned as multi-stage design using Rush's longer multi-part songs; not yet implemented at reveal but discussed by Tim Sexton on Stern Podcast

    medium · Bruce: 'Timmy did go over...Timmy did talk about, I think it was on the Stern podcast, their idea for the wizard mode, which isn't in there yet'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: First-time pinball artist Mike Bernard received harsh community criticism on Pinside/Facebook ('trial by fire') despite producing well-regarded design with appropriate Rush era imagery

    medium · Bruce: 'He got trial by fire on either Pinsider or Facebook. look, this sucks. It's like, well, it's what the band wanted'

    • 1:58
    Oh, no, it's pretty cool. So, yes, I think, where were we at last time? We knew it was going to be Rush. It was going out, and we said it was the best things in sliced bread because we... Oh, we hadn't seen it yet. But now we've seen it. Yes. Everyone has seen it, and I can say I love X-Men. I can't wait to play it. Yes. It's X-Men with a little bit of Twilight Zone because you get a clock. Well, here's the deal. It's Borg, so it's name him after a ZZ Top album, Recycler. Yeah. Because everything gets recycled. For the God. I have no problem with that, as long as it's good stuff you're recycling. Yeah. So, yeah, I looked at the play field. A little bit of Monopoly in there with the pop bumpers on the side. The snow Monopoly. It's all Borg stuff. It's X-Men, almost verbatim, from the pop bumpers up. All the shots are in the same spot, pretty much. It has the time machine from Austin Powers, a lock underneath the plate filled like Metallica, and the link shot from Avatar. So I'm excited. But it does have a side entry and kick out hole, which is more Ripley's Believe It or Not. Yeah, it's got a scoop that's got like two holes. Yes. One in front, one in the side. Entry, you can go in either the right hand side or the front side. And at least the video, like, Stern released the video. It showed them, like, popping out at the same time. So is that, like, two EJECs, two VUCs? Yeah, I don't think so. I don't know. I want to see what that looks like. I didn't see that in the gameplay at all. I want to see that. We saw the premium hybrid. The premium. Oh, yeah. Okay. So they, let's review. They had the trailer. It's going to be Rush. And then they had the official talkings on Tuesday. They had the trailer, they had the pro features video, they had the premium Ali features video. They had another neat little video of Ed Robertson, the Barenaked Ladies, recording Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee, all their speech parts. And then they announced that it was going to be streamed Friday. So that would be last week. You're listening to this. And they were going to end up streaming the premium. Premium. Premium plus. Oh, we should mention this. So the expression lights are back. Yes, and I like that. Expression lighting is back, but only on the LE. Only on the LE comes with it. You can, Timmy did say, it comes with the Pro and the Premium, you have to pay extra. Yeah, it's a kit. It's fine. It's easy to do. Led Zeppelin, it came with the Premium and LE. Yes. On Rush, it just comes with the LE, but you can buy the kit. And it works, looks like it works the same way. Yeah, it works the same way. It worked really well. I thought a lot of cool things. Great song selection. If you are a Rush fan, this is what you want. This is the dream game made for you by the band. Yes. You know how Guns N' Roses had full cooperation by the band to make the game? Well, we're going to see what Stern can do because I'm like Led Zeppelin. This is full cooperation. Looked pretty good. Looked good. Shots were good. Like I said. If Ron wasn't buying Godzilla, this would be his pin. One of the previous pinball expos, one year Stern brought a early X-Men Whitewood. Yes. This was after X-Men was out, so they just brought it there. And it had no Wolverine. It was wide open, the bottom part, and man, it shot good. So I'm kind of hoping that's kind of what Rush is going to shoot like. Yeah. I do like the drop targets on the left-hand side. That was cool. And the link shot behind him. You know I like Avatar because I'm sick. It's got those habit trails. The ball pops up. a diverter that I guess I've been told works better than it did on the stream. I would think so. I don't think this is a prototype they're having. It's not like it's a production game. There's a diverter, so when you hit a shot, you can divert it to the right or left side. The right side was really slow. Yeah, when it's diverting, it would hit the diverter and kind of slow down and then trickle out.
    6:04
    But I was told that was that particular machine. I heard there's a lot of Red Bull being drank. What? There was a lot of Red Bull being drunk. A lot of Red Bull being drunk. Yeah, because they all had wings. Oh, God. That's so bad. Yeah, they had a background with the owl. And every time they played a game, it always looked like they had wings coming out of the back of them. Can I just say the hoot again on the play field is one of my new favorite things? Ah. What I saw. They got the owl from Fly By Night. It's a brunch song and album. And it's at the bottom. Instead of shoot again, it just says hoot again. I love that. So the stream, you had, well, on software, we have what Bork told my dad, that I haven't said anything until now. He told my dad, oh, Timmy's on this game. Jim Sexton's on my game. Yes. So Tim Sexton's on the game. And Raymond Davidson is on the game. Yes. Two slam tilters. And the poor third guy whose name I can't remember, I'm sorry. Yeah, I know. We're terrible. Timmy did go over a lot of people that was in engineering and that kind of stuff, which was cool to hear, but you didn't know him. I wish they had like a picture. Like, hey, Tim would go, here's this person that did this and this person. That would be more like, you know. Like football games? Yeah, like, hey, I came from RIT.
    7:27
    I came from MIT. The U. Like the U. What the hell does that mean, the U? It's so great I don't even need to say the name. Yeah. But I think that would be more important. Like, hey, here's all the people who are not here tonight who helped with the game. And it's almost like a Skype pop thing, or just a picture. Two seconds. Here. This is this. Brady Bunch, here's the story. Of a game named Rush. The design crew is whatever. Is this, this, and this. Yeah. And Raymond played really long games. Yes, he did. But Timmy crushed one.
    8:04
    This chat was weird. It was the most positive chat I've ever seen in a reveal. Oh, I agree with that, but I mean a lot of BS also, like the idiots. It's like Pinside Jr. But I'm wondering, is it just because all the Canadians were in chat, so everyone was nice? Eh? Eh. Yay. I mean, it was weird. Uh, excuse me, sir, but we have 1,564 orders from Canada in the first day.
    8:28
    Huh? Eh? Eh. And what do you think of the art? I like the side art. I like the head art. I don't like the three in the middle, the guys in the middle. I have no issue with that. I do. Okay. It's just like too cartoony. I like the cartoony. It's just – Especially when dudes are old like they are. Oh, I agree. No, they picked the perfect era for them with late 70s. They mixed the era a bit. They had like 70s. They had 70s Alex Lifeson and Neil Peart, but then they had kind of with the sole patch on Geddy Lee version. But, I mean, you know, it was just a little weird on that. I think the side art's cool. The back glasses look pretty cool, you know. Nothing, like, wowed me, but it seemed nice. I like the LE. 1,000 LEs again. All sold out, of course, again. The premium side art looked like that was the side art that got accidentally leaked by Stern, that they Photoshopped out. That was the one. with the Rush logo, with the lines coming out of it. So what do you think of the stream? I mean, there was only two issues I saw, and one was the diverter, which is supposedly game-specific, and that sound, the sound the scoop makes. When the ball comes out, it sounds like a tilt warning on a Gottlieb. Oh, yeah, yeah. It was like, oh, that's literally the first sound I heard. I'm like, oh, I'm hoping that's because it's not direct sound in, and maybe it just sounds bad through the speaker. but then they did direct sound in, like, no, it still sounded bad.
    10:02
    I mean, that's it. Yeah. Everything else played fine. I mean, I have no idea what was going on. Even as they kind of explained it, I was still utterly confused, other than if you just hit the time machine over and over, good things seem to happen. The shots look cool. The interloop looks good, you know. It's got my shot. It's got the Steve Ritchie shot. Left orbit to the upper right flipper, upper ramp. Love it. And it doesn't have Wolverine in the way this time. Now you just hit it through the pop-uppers. It's beautiful. I think it's going to be a good seller. We'll see in a couple weeks when hopefully we get our Rush Pro first. What? You're getting a Rush? Well, I'm not getting a Rush. One of the members in our group is getting a Rush. But wait a minute. A Pro? A Pro. Insulting. No, it's not, because guess what? What? We're a Stern Army, so we get the first run. Okay.
    10:52
    Then we get an LE. Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, that's better. So we'll actually have a comparison of the two. Yeah, what were the differences? The clock, the diverter. I thought the diverter was on both of them. I didn't know. I have to look at The Matrix. The Matrix? The Matrix. They have a Matrix. The new Matrix movie? Yes. I thought it was pretty good. You're the only one I've heard who thinks it's good. Yeah, me and Kathy enjoyed it. It wasn't like, oh, wow, it's the best movies in sliced bread. But after Matrix 2 and 3, you can only go up. Was it a necessary movie? No, not at all. It was a money grab. Ah. Cash grab.
    11:35
    But it's still better than two or three. So, you know, I'll take that any day. Get that Matrix up. I am. Stern Rush Matrix.
    11:45
    LEs are sold out, right? Feature Matrix. Yeah, so $1,000 again. So that was kind of nice, seeing $1,000 again. Okay, so for the LE. And the Pro and Premium were the same price as Godzilla, but the LE was more. More. I guess the expression lighting? Yeah, I think so. Okay.
    12:04
    Sculpt the stationary ramp entrance and illuminate a floor so the Premium up and down. Yeah, the ramp doesn't go up and down. Clock. Ball lock post system. Cable is staging two poles between the main power scoop and the sideway subway. It's also on the Premium LE, not on the Pro. Yeah. Clear window on the Premium and LE. The Metallica clear window, yeah.
    12:28
    A secret double up post ball lock hidden behind three banks of musical instrument drop targets leading towards freewheel multi-ball. It's a double up post instead of a standoff. The Avatar mech, the Link mech. Yes, yes. I guarantee you that is the exact same mech that was in Avatar.
    12:43
    RGB color lighting for GI, only red and white for regular. Oh. So there is a lot of differences. and of course the le having the expression while it's an option on the pro and premium and i believe mike vanikor programmed the expression lighting just like he did on zeppelin so if you like zeppelin same guy did it yep le of course has the hardware trim and all that other fun stuff plastic molded arch compared to a powder coated steel bottom arch and it comes with stern insider connected. All three machines though have six pinballs. Oh, so many pinballs. That is kind of cool though. You usually get the four compared to the six. It's nice to actually see a pro with all six balls also. And 16 songs. Yep. From all different eras. Pretty much the only complaint I heard from anyone is that YYZ wasn't in it. Yeah, I kind of agree with that. That's like it. That's like the only complaint I heard as far as the song selection. This is from Rush People. That's pretty damn good. Six time modes, four multi-balls, three time machine multi-balls, three challenge modes, and wizard mini-modes. I heard Tim talk about, I think it was on the Stern podcast, their idea for the wizard mode, which isn't in there yet. It's going to be multi-stage, just because it's going to be one of Rush's longer multi-part songs. So each part is going to be a stage of the wizard mode. That sounded interesting. Oh, and the LE comes with an upgraded speaker system, the inter-reflective playfield glass, and the shaker motor, and, of course, the expression lighting and the back glass. Not too shabby. Who's this Mike Bernard, though, from Sunburn Designs? Is that a guy from Rush that does stuff, or is it… Oh, the artist? Yes. Yeah, I don't know. Let's look him up. It was his first pinball machine. I know that. Yeah, exactly. So that's the one I'm going to look right now. He got trial by fire on either Pinsider or Facebook. look, this sucks. It's like, well, it's what the band wanted. It's what they wanted. So you can tell them that they suck.
    14:48
    And Rush is one of those bands that's actually intelligent and own all their shit. Yes. They started from the beginning doing it, yes. With their full cooperation, you get everything. During the game, you see actual Rush footage, which you didn't see. Like Aerosmith, you didn't see that because they didn't have rights to a lot of their own stuff. That's why you didn't see it. Rush, they own all their shit. So when they would do the songs, it would be whatever era the song was from. So like Fly By Night is mid-70s rush. Okay, I already like this guy for the artist, though. He did a Garbage Pail Kid. Oh, Garbage Pail. I thought you were going to say, you did a Steel Panther poster. No, but he has a Spaceballs poster. Ah, well, then that's a winner right there. That is a fucking winner. Whoa. Where's my Spaceballs pen?
    15:35
    Spaceballs. May the Schwartz be with you. Isn't he adorable? Yes.
    15:46
    The kids love him. But yes, Ron, if you did not own a Godzilla, or I have a Godzilla on the way, would you? Maybe. Wow, that's a maybe. Yeah. I'd have to play it to see if it passes. Of course, we all have to play it. I'd have to play it to see if it passes stage one, i.e. does it shoot good. But like I said, I love that Whitewood. Yes, we know some people. We know some people? We know some people. Okay. We know some people. That's all I'm saying. Okay. But I love the way that Whitewood played, and it's just basically, and that's what this game is. It's X-Men without Wolverine. It's got a scoop there. Oh, I hope it goes, oh, oh, oh, oh. Jesus. That's right. I keep forgetting Wolverine did the stupid panting thing. Didn't it have a storm in it? Yes. I am storm. Hear me.
    16:42
    Yeah, instead of Magneto, it's the time machine from Austin Powers. I like that. I was expecting Monger to pop up from the play field at some point.
    16:51
    I mean, the last game, Turtles was basically the upper left was Tron. Yes. So at least he reuses stuff from good shooting games. I'll say that. we should have is like, you know, Wayne's world.
    17:04
    Scooby-Doo ending. Let me guess. You've never seen Wayne's world. Uh, no. Oh my fucking God. I can tell by your reaction. I mean, I've seen the scenes from it, like the one you're referring to, but I've never actually sat there and watched the whole movie. No. Oh my God. Anything with Ed O'Neill in it, it's a win. Okay.
    17:27
    So Ron would buy it. If after he played it, I think he would like it. Me? I'd rather have Godzilla. Well, yeah. Because I've played it. I've played it. But remember, the thing was, if you didn't already have Godzilla. Yeah. Now, I like Rush. I've seen Rush in concert twice. Oh, you have? Yes, I have. Wow. And, you know, it's not a, wow, I need this band as, you know, other bands, you know. It's good. I think the music really gets you, you know, really. But I think it's, you know, I don't know. we'll see what happens. We'll see how it plays out. What I seen so far. I like, I like a lot. Wow. The Bruce seal of approval. Amazing. No, no, no. I could totally hate this later. Till my, till my fat fingers hit the fat buttons on the fat side. I can, I can always change my mind. It's got an action button. Yeah, I know. It controls the diverter. Oh, I know. The diverter looked pretty simple though. It does. it doesn't have a servo friggin motor and it looks like it just goes up and down yeah what i did like about the uh action button you can change the where the where you the flasher lights yeah with the diverter so which side it will divert yeah but i like that that's actually nice yeah it has hit it 20 fucking thousand times to kill tie fighters oh but it's fun killing tie fighters it's not what if you're a freaking m if you're an empire guy you're not an empire guy you're on the You were the rebel side. That's the whole point. No, not actually. You're either R2-D2, Luke, Princess Leia, or Han Solo. That's who you're picking. No, no. I could be Boba Fett. He's in the game.
    19:05
    He's in the game. I'd be Boba Fett. He's good now, right? No, he's not really that good. He's really not that good? He's still a little punch and hit people, you know, and I guarantee you'd kill somebody if you had to. We haven't seen it yet, but, you know. I've only watched the first episode. All right. We talking about the Star Wars Boba Fett show Boba Fett story Yes Is that it for Rush I think that it for Rush You probably play it first at the Rochester Pinball Collective or at the world famous Rock Fantasy I assuming I know Steve Keeler was in chat and just by the way he was talking. Oh, God, I got to have this. There's no way he's not getting one. Plus, Timmy worked on it, so that alone. Of course. Yeah. He does have a Tim crush. He does. He's got to get the Timmy games. All right. Awesome. Let's go to... Twippies. We're in it. We made it. Holy shit. Looks like we made it or something. Looks like we'll never know the way you will never know evermore. Maybe it's our sync. Yes. Maybe. Thank you guys for choosing us as one of the top 10, and hopefully you are going to vote for your favorite pinball podcast. These are first, second, or third will-be Slamtail podcasts. We very much appreciate it. I heard somebody's trying to earn votes. We don't like to talk about them, but he's – if you want to get a chance to get a Rush LE, if you want to get a spot on his thing, if you vote for him, he will try to give you a spot. Oh, he's actually doing that? Yes. We're talking about Chris. We'll just use his real name because that way we can get by our whole not mentioning anything. Douche chills. Holy fucking douche chills. That's, uh, that'll, that'll work. No, of course it will. So why would he do that unless he was afraid of losing? He won't lose. Favorite podcast nominees, Backbox, Pinball Podcast, Bro, Do You Even Talk Pinball, Chris's Pinball Podcast, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast, Pinball Mag, ZE Pinball Podcast. I didn't even heard of that one. I don't know. And it's not Pinball Magazine. It's a different thing. Pinball Profile. That was a great show. All right, Jeff. Silver Ball Chronicles. Hey, I'm in there twice. I'm splitting the vote. You're fucking splitting our vote. So go for Bruce. No, go for Silver Ball. Silver Ball Chronicles first and then Slam Till Second. No, no, no, no. Wow. We've been here longer. We'll take our one win and walk off. Okay. Hey, guess what? If you vote for us, we'll quit.
    21:43
    Wow. The Pinball Show. Yes. The Slam Tilt Podcast. Yes. Thank you, guys. And the Super Awesome Pinball Show. How many episodes did they do? I think they did over five this year. Okay. There just hasn't been one in such a long time. See? Let's see if they actually did do that. I'm going to check my pinball podcasts. And then you got Favorite Streamer Nominee. Well, let's say this. Who do you think is going to win that? It would say who we actually think is going to win. Not necessarily who we think should win. But who do you think is going to win? Favorite podcast.
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    Hmm. I'm thinking Delusional Kids. Or Teolos. One of the shows he's on. Well, only one of them is here. That's right. There's only one, yeah. So I think it's going to be Teolos. Pinball Profile. They did over 13 shows so far this year. Damn. That must have been really early in the year. It was. the last show they did was september 30th they did one september 1st and then the one before that was july 5th so they did three in the last half of the year we do miss them those guys are awesome especially dr pass gas line oh jesus i want my i want my lineman interview i know so let's see uh favorite podcast chris is gonna win that's the pinsider losers kicking in favorite streamer nominees let's see we got buffalo pinball dead flip flipping out fox cities dead flip and ie and dead flips gonna walk hot nudge ie chris's facebook live laser los loose flip and rb flip france i'm gonna go back one bit do you know chris is having fire paywall you have to actually pay for his podcast he was doing that I don't know if it's still that way. It still is. Okay, he pulled everything over the holiday and then put it back. And I think, yeah. So now my prediction is Chris will win that or finish second. I think he'll be third. And if he finishes second, Deadflip will win again. Yeah, it's going to be Deadflip, IE Pinball, maybe Chris. No, it'll be Chris or Deadflip. Because Deadflip, they get 100 people. Well, he gets 100 people just at the first part of a stream when he's not even playing a game. I know. So it's not even close. Well, the thing is, I don't consider him a streamer, Chris, because he's not playing pinball. It doesn't matter. He just happens to be himself. It doesn't matter. Favorite YouTube channel nominees.
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    We've got Abe Flips, Buffalo Pinball, Kerry Hardy, Flippin' Out Pinball, Marv Loco, Papa TV. I know. I don't even know why they're still on there. Well, I think they did, well. They didn't do five. They did a couple of. They didn't do five. No, they did a couple of tutorials. Oh, well. Which I know the guy who filmed them, filmed them like Massachusetts, but they're posted under the Papa Pinball banner. Pinball mag, straight down the middle,
    24:41
    tilt the sweet science of pinball and TNT amusements. I can see TNT amusements winning this finally. Nah, I think it's going to be the pinball show. What pinball show? I mean, you know, what? Sorry, straight down the middle. Then TNT maybe, and then the third one's a toss-up. Okay.
    25:02
    Favorite website nominees. Let's just pull for Loserland. We already know who's going to win. Well, why do you think Pinside's going to win? They didn't win last year. I know, but Loserland, they're all foamed up now in the mouth. Foamed up. Fun with bonus, the Internet Pinball Database, Snap Arcade, Pinball by XTN, Pinball Mag France, Pinball Magazine, Pinball News, Pinside, This Week in Pinball, and Tilt Forums. I'm a figure in pin size winning. And this weekend pinball will be a close second. Favorite mod. Oh, we love mods. Good. Yes, my favorite mod is one not on your machine. America's most haunted kit. I don't know what that is. Arcade made lighted flipper kit. I don't know what that is. Guns N' Roses NEO concert edition. Oh, Penn Stadium. Okay. The Godzilla Tesla strike mod. That thing is cool. Guns N' Roses bullet shooter by the art of pinball. Guns N' Roses Skull Shooter Housing from the Art of Pinball Indiana Jones Disneyland Edition Cabinet Which is like a one-off I don't think you can buy it I don't understand that Sculpted T-Rex Head by the Art of Pinball Maybe Star Wars Mandalorian Pro Wireforms That's a great I think that's actually the most useful one To me that's not even a mod That should have came with the game The Mandalorian Pinball Animated Grogu Baby Yoda Yeah, I think the Mandalorian should win I'm thinking either Baby Yoda or the T-Rex head. Yeah, the T-Rex head would be a close second. I'm partial to the T-Rex head because I have it. Yeah, I like the ramps on Mandalorian, the metal ramps. That is wild. Should have been done. You mean the habit trails? The habit trails, but yes, it should have been done. Instead, it was a plastic ramp you can't see through. You can't see through. Especially when it gets dirty. It gets dirty or fucked. Yep. We have one in local, though, so it's dirty, and it's like, oh, my God, why? When it gets dirty or fucked as opposed to a dirty fuck. Yes. Favorite accessory nominees.
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    So these are like ones that companies actually sell. We got the Avengers Infinity Quest shooter rod. I don't get the shooter rod thing. No, shooter rod is just as a player. I think it's a filler. I just, when it's a different shape, it just feels weird. Expression lights, Led Zeppelin. Guns N' Roses, Art Blades, Insider Connected Kits, Invisiglass, Mandalorian shooter rod, Mandalorian side armor, pinwolfer for jersey jack a score a bit in jersey jack machines spooky pinball halloween shooter on interconnect uh inside connected and connected number one number two will be the the lights from yeah that's that one yeah ah now very dear to me near and dear favorite homebrew nominees yes now i'm gonna i'm gonna say something half these games are based off of not being okay me me and Zach had a conversation about this on what you consider a homebrew. There are games on here that are literally just rethemes. Yeah, they took the artwork off. Or the games like, well, we'll go through them. Billy Madison, Boys Night Out, Cuphead. It's funny. I actually like that one. Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Greek Gods, Falena, Pincraft, Poker, and Rock Lives. Okay. Now, games like Rock Lives is basically, it's a Gottlieb Rock. Yes. With the same theme, with upgraded software. Yes, which is not done much. That's not a homebrew. That's a modified game. That's not a homebrew. Ferris Bueller's Day Off, which I think will probably win, that's literally a Mustang. Yeah, I know. That was rethemed. I know it has all new art and new software, but it's a Mustang. Yeah. To me, a homebrew, you have to completely design the play field. Some are if, like, Pincraft, which was done with Brian Smith, who we know, they took a Kings of Steel and they cut it and they modified it. Yes, majorly, so you don't know it's it. But, of course, we know the one that should win and the one you need to all vote for is poker. Which is now a Pinside machine. It's on Pinside. You can look up poker on Pinside. It's an actual machine. Yes, but here's the funny thing. all these games besides poker are all using either P-Rock or maybe they're using Sam with, you know, modified... The Sun might be using custom stuff.
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    Zach's doing all custom. Custom board set, custom stuff, custom rules, custom everything. I actually played probably most of the games on this list. I didn't play Ferris Bueller's Day Off because that was in the special room at Pintastic. Ooh. I could tell you just taking who I know out of this, if I played all these games, which I played most of them, and you asked me, you know, remember my criteria is how does it shoot? That's like the first thing I look at. The game that shot the best, I would have been like, it was that game with no head. That's the game that shot the best, which is poker. And I wouldn't have remembered it was poker either, because he just has it on the LCD. It just says poker working title, but there's no like anywhere else where it says what the name of the game is. So, but yeah, it shoots the best of these games. It does. It really does. I enjoy it whenever I come out there. He's, I'm trying to convince him to bring it to this co-op. Another impressive one to give a props out here. Greek gods. Yes. Great game. That it has a button for your knee. Yeah. For your knee. You hit, you hit the button with your knee and it activates another set of flippers and deactivates your main flippers. Yes. That's just, just that. And it's got a screen in the center that I didn't even realize was also a window where they have a lower play field. Yes. That you don't even see until the screen, you know, look. And the screen goes off and you're like, holy shit, there's a play field down there. Yep. That's cool. That was cool. But I think Zach should win for his originality. Yep. I think poker should definitely win. The call outs are incredible. Yeah, that guy's a tool. Yep. He's a complete tool. I agree. But we are very biased here. But if you are listening and you have not voted for your Twippy vote yet. Vote for poker. We're 100% complete biased here. And it is a popularity contest. So please. And he's the one that actually put the most work and made everything himself. He made everything himself. Everything. He didn't use a P-Rock board. He didn't use a Sam board. He didn't use a Williams. He's Zach. He designed his own boards. He designed his own displays. He wanted everything his way because he's Zach. give the man scientists his due give him the twippy because he's gonna folks folks you you know you know how much zach doesn't like to talk and everything he's gonna have to talk to a lot of people if he wins it he's gonna be a tpf when they have the awards just think about that no you know he's gonna do he'll come up there grab the award stare thank you walk away no he won't even say thank you just leave he would i already told him i'd accept it on his behalf if he wants he can pretend like oh he's in the tournament area he can't come out he'll make sure he's in the tournament area yeah probably and i'll just accept it and say like oh thank you you love me thank you for my awesome homebrew but yeah definitely he is the only one that's done everything on his own he's the kind of person you want to see win it because he's doing everything on his own and because he would be forced to talk just based on those things you'd want to see it it's almost like hugging ron yeah the show yeah don't do that uh favorite location nominees Oh, God. This was so... Bowls and Balls, which I've seen a lot on stream. Looks nice. Yeah. I actually haven't been there. District 82, which I've been to. Electric Bat Arcade, Jack Bar, Logan Arcade, Lin's Arcade, Next Level Pinball Museum, Old School Pinball Experience, The Flipper Room, The Pinball Lounge, and Wizard's World.
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    I think it's going to be District 82. It should be. Probably. And Jack Bar. Whoever can get the most people to vote for him. Yeah, it's all popularity contests. It is. That's the whole point of the Twippies. unlike the Pinball Industry Awards, which will be announced hopefully soon. And we voted on. Which we voted on. But we don't really bring them up because you as a listener can't vote on them. Yes. This sounds like a dick move. Hey, there's this thing we voted on that you can't. You could have biased our opinion. Biased our opinion. No, you couldn't have. Well, you could have paid us off. Or maybe if you got me Godzilla. Yeah, if you got me Godzilla earlier. Yeah, that could definitely bias my opinion. Favorite convention nominees. California Extreme, Chicago Pinball Expo, Cleveland Pinball and Arcade Show, Freeplay Florida, Houston Arcade Expo, Midwest Gaming Classic, Pinsonati, Pinfest, Pintastic, and Southern Fried Gaming Expo. I still say it's Expo. Surprising. No. No way. KPF's okay, but it hasn't been done in two years. No way. I can't say Expo. I was there. It's just, no. That Freeplay area? No. I'm sorry. I'd like to go to Pinsonati next year. That would be my one pick to go to next year. I'm biased. I would pick Pantastic. I'm not surprised you didn't pick Pinfest in Allentown. I like it for the sales. It's not a great show for anything else. What's this convention? It's not even a convention. I think it's just like a swap meet. It's the best swap meet. It used to be called the Pinball Wizards Convention. I know. Not anymore. Yeah, but it's basically the same thing. It's actually bigger, better, stronger, longer. Longer. Okay. Let's see. Man, there's a lot of shows I haven't been to. California Extreme I've been to, Expo, Freeplay Florida, Midwest Gaming Classic, but not in its current location, Pinfest and Pintastic. So it looks like there's some other shows I need to go to. I want to go to Pinsonati. That looked good this year. WKRP in Pinsonati? In Pinsonati. There you go. So who do we think is winning? Probably Expo. Yeah.
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    Favorite competitive player. This is the one category probably the least people will give a shit about, unfortunately. Yeah, I don't even know why it's actually in there as. It's almost like, who can I suck off more? Bowen, Karens, Carlos de la Cerda, Colin McAlpine, Eric Stone, Escher Lefkoff, Carl D'Angelo, Keith Elwin, Neil Graff, Paul Englert, Raymond Davidson, Steve Bowne, and Tom Graff. Who's winning?
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    Who is the most visible player? Mr. Elwin. No, he's not. He's not visible. He's a designer as a competitor. Exactly. But he is the most recognizable name. He's hardly played in any tournaments at all. But he is still the most recognizable name. I would say Bowen is one of the most recognized names, and he could win it. I still think Elwin. And he's hardly played in anything either. I know. But I still say Elwin. It's going to be Elwin, Bowen, maybe Steve or Raymond.
    35:34
    There's your top three. Yeah, Raymond and Steve are probably the two biggest nice guys. Of course. Well, then you have Carl. There's a lot of really nice guys here And then you have us who are just assholes Yeah, then you have us At least one of us Favorite tournament nominees Cleveland Pinball Show Tournament District 82 Super Series Free Play Florida November Rainfolda Pinball Expo Flipout Pinsonati, Pin Clash, Silver Ball Rumble Space City Open, X-Men Charity Tournament and X-Level I think it's going to be District 82 and Pinsonati No Pin Clash? No. It was too long ago? People forgot about it? Yep. That's true. It was earlier in the year. I could see people. Yeah. Because that was the virtual tournament, and they'll probably heard it. Yeah. I think those are your top two. Yeah. Cincinnati was really impressive this year with a lot of good games in the tournament area, good video. The greatest game of Hot Tip ever played. Yep. I would think that's it. That alone should get it a twippy right there, just that Hot Tip game. Favorite mobile app nominees. I literally have, well, I have Scorebit. Because when I dialed in, that's it. I don't have any of these. I had a leveler. IFBA, Pinball Arcade, Pinball Map, Pendigo, Pin Guy Leveling App, Pin Quest, Pin Stadium Controller, Scorebit, Williams Pinball. So what do you think is going to win? IFBA. Really? I think Scorebit would win.
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    There's one I don't have. Let's see. Favorite topper nominees. Okay, hold on. Put Me to Sleep. Well, number one, anything Jersey Jack you can just exclude because their toppers suck generally. Yes. It's probably going to be the – Let's see. Halloween, Indiana Jones, Led Zeppelin, Stadium Topper for Guns N' Roses, Stranger Things, Ultraman. Stranger Things. The Infinity is pretty cool. Yeah. But it doesn't do much. Or Halloween because it's got a knife going through the top of the play field. Yeah.
    37:36
    You have anti-spooky bias at this point. I have totally anti-spooky bias. Because he has a spooky cane.
    37:43
    And that was it. So there you go. So the only things you need to remember is... Slam tilt. Slam tilt, Silver Ball Chronicles, and poker. In that order. They're different categories. No, not in ours. Yes. You said it right.
    37:57
    You did say it right. Thank you. For once. And remember, I'll be a TPF, so I will gladly accept a Silver Ball Chronicles or a Slam Tilt Award in person. Yes, and you can have me put me on the video screen with you. Oh, dear God. On the phone. Oh, my God. Thank you, motherfuckers.
    38:15
    Suckers. Wow. Okay. Those are my two things. Those are your two things. Congratulations. Repairs. I know you're getting ready for a big tournament. Yes, I'm getting ready for the big tournament that's invite only. Yes, it is. But the bootleg New York State tournament. So I have begun work, and it's very – it's a pain in the ass. It is, isn't it? spent all day Saturday and Sunday. Congratulations. I got through all the classic stern row. What else? Alien Star And now I starting down the other main row And I making little fixes along the way like I made Spider I made the slings way more sensitive Black Knight I had never halitized that spinner because it was my first game and I didn't know how to do that yet. So I did that. I took the spinner off and worked on that for the first time since I've had the game in 17 years now. Wow. What else? I replaced the coil stops in Jurassic Park. Good, because they're probably flaking already. I saw shavings on the bottom, so it's just... We already have shavings on both of our Godzillas. Here's the issue, though. These are the little things. Can't be pissed. On Jurassic Park, you have that post that is in front of the third flipper. Yes. The protective flipper, basically. Yes, yes. Mine was loose. Of course, it didn't start shipping. Well, no. Mine is a later Jurassic Park, so it doesn't have art around any of that stuff. Oh, okay. But the thing is, it's loose. So it's like, okay, I'll tighten it. and then you realize the screw for it is blocked by the flipper base plate. Yes. Like, motherfucker. So I had to take the base plate, you know, just take the screws out and move it to the side. Move it to the side so you can move it around. Then I tighten it. Then when I tried to put the plate in, I couldn't get it flat, you know, flush against the plate field anymore because it was hitting against the screw, the actual post, because it went down further. Like, are you kidding me? This is like a design flaw. So did you take the grinder out and grind a little bit in the middle? All I did is I took the post out and put one more washer in it so it wouldn't go through quite as far, and that got it in there. But that took some time. That was a pain in the ass. Ta-da. The more you know. What else did I do? Oh, I did Deadpool. Well, no. I put my – I got the – not arc blades. Side rails. The Katana side rails. Yes, I saw that. That say B. Arthur, which I didn't even know they said that. when I was done, I look at the side of the game, and I'm there like, is that a scratch? And there's literally a scratch in the art.
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    I don't know how I did it, because I was extremely careful putting the, and it's below, it's way below where the. Maybe you scratched it with like your pants? Oh, that's right. You go commando while you're down there cleaning the sheets. I was thinking maybe my belt buckle. Could be. And I was so pissed. That's why whenever I work on the games in between, I pull my shirt out of my pants. So it's overhanging my belt. Usually I have my sweater on. But this one time I didn't have my sweater.
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    Because the sweater usually covers up all that. I hear you. I was so pissed. I would be pissed too. It made the whole day go in the shitter to me. I agree. But then I played three games of Deadpool. And by the third game, I was in a good mood and I didn't care anymore. Because I've never sold that game, so I don't care. I agree. It literally put me in that kind of mood. I was thinking, what games in my collection can put me in that good of a mood? Quicksilver, Stargazer. No, they don't put me in that kind of mood. No, it does for me. I'm talking about games like Deadpool, Attack from Mars. World Cup Soccer would. World Cup Soccer, Demoman, and probably Lethal Weapon 3. Yep. These are the games that most put a smile on my face, I'll have to say. So I know what I did. I did a lot of fucking repairs this week between a taxi that was an abortion. We went to work on a taxi for somebody, and it had acid damage on the board, no sounds either on the CPU itself and also the soundboard. And when it did do sounds, the soundboard was a third speed. So we tried to work on that. You know how you can ground out the transistor to fire any solenoid usually? Uh-huh. Couldn't do that. So then we were like, oh, we'll just go to the coil and try to ground it out. And it had power and ground. It still wouldn't ground out. Yeah. Luckily, we packed it up to the guy, and luckily he knows another repair guy who's a local guy to us. And we're like, yeah, definitely give it to him.
    42:57
    It was an abortion. We worked on Captain Card. Oh, that's the... add a ball version of high hand yeah did you get it working yet it's working yay yep it's working pretty good actually the pop bumper is a little weak up top which he has to tweak we had to high tap it also but all the lights work now and no more smoke no more shorting no more nothing like that's the one that had the fuses that were just uh screws bolts and uh Break line.
    43:28
    Yeah. So it's working now again. We're working on JT's Ice Fever. Yeah, you mentioned that last episode. And we figured out what's wrong partially with it. It's a Gottlieb. Yeah, besides that. One of the Riot chips is bad. Now, the scary part about this. What's a Riot chip, Bruce? A 6532 chip that can control either displays or probe outputs or inputs for Switch majors. Probe. yeah yeah let me guess they don't make them anymore no they don't no they're easy to get they're pretty cheap but the problem is not many people have them in stock so you have to find them and then get it from there the problem i have is usually these chips are not socketed the one that's bad has been socketed already so is there something else causing a problem so we had to get zack's lizzie and we finally somebody from the co-op fixed zack's lizzie 80 which is a pie operated running board and we're actually test the switches the switch matrix and that will prove that the riot is bad on the original board so lizzie's riots what the hell's going on anarchy anarchy uh we also worked on uh what else we worked on oh my star trek le one of my ramps broke oh so i'll be gluing ramp that should be fun and interesting because guess what you know we just had like Star Trek premiums just put out what, like a year, year and a half ago. Who would have ramps? You would think Stern would have ramps, right? No, not at all. Nope. And it's still one of the games that they still show you can buy still. No, no, it isn't. Yes. No, it isn't. No, it isn't. Earn. No, go to certain pinball and it has to be on the now, whatever. And it's not there. There is no Star Trek there.
    45:16
    Oh, it is now in the archive. Okay, Bruce just looked it up, and I'm right. Again, it's in the archive. Black Knight Sword of Rage is also in the archive. Yeah. Comic Book Star Wars is in the archive. So there you go. So, yeah, I got that. I'm working on, I brought, finally, I have electricity in my basement, 80 amps, and I have four games now working in the basement so far. And what are they? We have Sea Witch. We have Gametron 2.
    45:49
    And that's the Sea Witch with the unusually strong flippers? Yes. Okay. Yes, it is. It's Mutant Sea Witch. We also have Memory Lane. Got it. And Big Game. Another Big Game, yes. Yes, the original Big Game. The original Big Game. And so there's four. I'm bringing back nine balls at Zach, so I'll bring that back. So I'll have five. I have to get to eight or nine games for League. Oh, just, yeah, got to do that. Yeah, got to do that because I'm one of the League guys. that's in three months so i think i have a and then i'm working on star trek i got from mr mike f from baltimore my favorite italian what are you doing mike but uh he sold me a star trek valley and i am doing connectors on it right now what does that tell you you're having fun that's what it sounds like to me this is so much fun and then i'm working on the big game at the same time but i need a probably a new rectum board rectifier board for the star trek rector a new rectum board yeah and then hopefully the cpu will boot and then we'll go for the next steps from there but i want to have that home i want to have then we're going to trident and after trident then i want to get i'm going to go back into pinball and get that working the game pinball the game pinball okay and then after that it's back to projects which is going to be uh pulling hopefully vance well i talked to vance today we had league at vance's house today vance the guy who did our quicksilver play fields yes he goes they're sitting at the they're sitting at his work like well when can i get him he's like i'm trying to wait for the boss isn't there so i can grab him back out of it because he's not supposed to be doing it You know, so he's waiting. Hopefully the boss doesn't listen to this podcast. No, he doesn't. He hates pinball. Oh. He doesn't understand Vance's passion either. So we had league night at Vance's tonight. And you won. Nope. Zach won. Of course he did. He did a perfect night. He did 15-0.
    47:51
    I did 9-6. Okay. Not too shabby. You're over 500. Yep. Steph did, girl. She did 13. There you go. 14 and 2. And we had Eric Russell did 14 and 1. Which one? Which Eric Russell was it? CNY. CNY? Okay. Yes. So now I asked all these people on the intranet. The intro webs? Oh, yeah. You did our, we don't have that many topics, so ask us stuff. Yes. And they did. We got a lot. Yeah, this is a pain. It just makes my edit longer. I love it. He says, recording today. Maybe with a guest. No, he didn't want to. Come on. what do you want to talk about let's see dennis dennis creasel says we know dennis from the pinball show and also the eclectic gamers pinball podcast and he's been on this show multiple times listen to eclectic if you want completely unbiased opinions i love it that's about people that are not in the industry and don't care if they piss someone off love it what do you think of the rumors that home pin has secured harry potter book version And people are going, oh my god, oh my god.
    49:01
    Is that an actual thing? I don't know. If it is, God help us all. I think the game will suck ass. It'll suck worse than ass. Yes, that is a bad thing. I showed Ron this this week that Paramount Plus is showing the new Beavis and Butthead movie with them now middle-aged. Well, no. No. Okay.
    49:28
    Good thing you don't give the whole story. Mike Judge posted that Beavis and Butthead have to get in shape, and then he had pictures of them old, which I hope to God that's not. Like, the show's not going to be old Beavis and Butthead, because I'm thinking it's just for a skit, because they've been old in multiple episodes.
    49:50
    I like that Beavis kept his hair. I know. Puffy, too. Yeah. He's still got the poofy hair. But Butthead, he got really fat. Oh, my God. Fat and lazy. Smoking cigarette, you know. Yeah. He's a chick magnet. I think the first one I remember them old was the nudist colony episode.
    50:10
    When they sneak in and then they see the new people and they just freeze and just sit there for the entire day not moving. And they're like, oh. Then they go like 30 years in the future and they show them they're old sitting on the same couch. Yep. Beavis and Butthead, you've lived long, fruitful lives. What would you say is your greatest experience? Uh, we saw naked people. Yeah. Yes. God, we need Beavis and Butthead more than ever. We do. This world needs it. So I would assume they're going to be old at some point, but I can't see them being old for the whole movie. Who the hell wants to watch that? I agree. But if anyone can pull it off, my man Mike Judge can do it, because he's God. He is God. Dan asks, which one of the upcoming rumored titles are you most interested in? Why? Let's see. What are the... I know. Somebody's idea I've never heard about.
    51:03
    Venom? Don't care. 007? I'd be interested. But it depends on how it's done. Depends how it's done. Back to the Future? Even though I like the movie, I don't care. I don't mind it. I wouldn't mind that. Motley Crue wouldn't mind either. Motley Crue would be interesting. My wife would die for a freaking Harry Potter. Harry Potter? Don't care. Toy Story? Don't care. Pulp Fiction give me Rose of Our Dogs over that The Matrix that would be kind of cool only if it's the first one Journey I like Journey yeah but that band is so old and fucked up you got the guitarist and the keyboardist fired the drummer and the bass player because they were trying to hostile take over and then you got Steve Perry who can't sing at all anymore, so they got the Filipino guy singing instead. It's just like, what journey would it be? I don't know. Excellent. So most interested?
    52:06
    007, probably. 007, definitely. That would be not even if and or but. I love 007. It was a good game with GoldenEye. If you can expand on that, I would be very happy. That's actually one of the better Sega games. Let's see. Ryan C. Only $2 million? Is this Australian or American? And Bruce and Ron got given $2 million. But they can only use it to start up a new pinball manufacturing company. Oh, God. What would the company be called?
    52:37
    Pins and Balls. Okay, I'll go with that. Who would they hire or steal from other manufacturers? Lyman. No. He doesn't want to do it anymore. I just get Keith Elwin because I save money. I get the software and the designer. And I'll bring over the guy that's his programmer. There you go. Perfect. Done. What would the first pinball be?
    53:04
    Let's see. Beavis and Butthead. Beavis and Butthead? No. We want to sell something. TikTok. No. Harry Potter. Okay. Well, we can't afford a license if we only have $2 million. That's true. TikTok.
    53:20
    Twitter, the game. Yes. No, no. What would the first pinball be? Pinside, the train wreck. There you go. Pinside. That's our first game. Well, I did wrong. Sell Star Trek over Spider-Man.
    53:36
    Because Star Trek has no soul. I keep telling you. Oh, my God. It has no soul. No, it has no soul. Ryan C., you should know that. Ryan C., when you play Star Trek, are you saying the quotes to yourself as you're playing the game? No. You're not. Yes, I am. No, you're not. I am. Berto asks, we know you guys love classic Stearns, but what are your top three System 11s? Oh, boy. Okay. There's different levels to this now, too. Mousing Around, Whirlwind, and the third one I'd have to think of a little harder. Whirlwind would be number one for me. F14 is really good for number two because I love the sounds. I like the end Black Knight 2000. Wow. You're a complete failure. I don't believe you didn't say it. What? Skate or die. No, because it's a good game. It's a good game. You can't get it, so why even bother? I can get a Whirlwind. I can get a Black Knight 2000. I don't care if I can't get... I'll say Whirlwind, Mousing Around, and Radical. I'll get Radical.
    54:39
    Good. Corey asks, have you done your flip frenzies yet? We are going to be next month. What's better or worse? Running the collective or running the bar? Oh, my God, the worst was the bar. So many more hours. I have four other great partners who are willing to work, do the work. It was just me and Kathy, and that's a lot harder. Kathy was great. It was just a lot more work. With this, it's a lot more pinball work, repairers-wise, and getting everything done. We are doing great at the co-op. Our bills are all paid up. We are in profitable numbers, and attendance keeps on growing a little bit. We had almost 40 people this past week, and it was like a crappy kind of day outside. Not too crappy. That's probably why they were there, yeah. Yeah. Well, wait a minute. Where is the Rochester Pinball Collective? It's at 349 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. Suite 2965. Pay one price to come in, $20 all day. We're open two days a week, Thursdays from 5 to 10, and Saturdays from 3 to 11, the best deal of eight hours. You can come and go as you please when you have your wristband on from us. You can go out, get some dinner, come back and play some more pinball. We have tournaments and all this other fun stuff. And we're going to be open probably Tuesday, February, during the school break. We had a pretty good turnout during a break where the kids were off a week. We had a lot of kids come in that one night. The future of pinball. Got to get them hooked now. Mm-hmm.
    56:17
    That was the nice thing about the rush stream at the end, where you had Tim and Raymond. You have all these 20-year-olds that worked on the game. Mm-hmm. The future. Yes, it is very nice to see that. Let's see. Raymond Davidson asks, Would the Rochester Pinball Collective make a great place to host WIPT, the Women in Pinball Tournament? I would love to hold that. Kate, I would tell you right now, you tell me a date, you have the place. I don't think she listens, but there you go. I would tell her in a second. Well, more generally, what kind of future events can we plan to see there? We're going to Flip Frenzy in February. I think March, we're already starting to talk about the March tournament we're going to have. And then I want to do a 24-hour. 24-hour Flip Frenzy? I love that. I've already had four people from Canada who want to come so bad.
    57:12
    For a 24-hour flip frenzy? Yes. Okay. Hopefully the games hold up. God, I know. Well, there's so many of them. I mean, they start breaking. Hopefully there's enough by the end. Yeah. We have 47-plus. Now we're actually keeping games in the back in storage ready to go. Like when Star Trek broke the ramp, I didn't want it to break and damage anything more, so I pulled it out. We put Black Hole right back in. You pulled it out to put in the Black Hole? Yes. Okay. Which has a black hole switch on Star Trek. Ironic. Is it black? Yeah, there's a black hole target on Star Trek. Yes. Ironic, huh? But I'd love to do more tournaments. It's hard where we are, you know, but I think when COVID starts kicking down again, since now it's kicking down in South Africa, hopefully in another month or two will be lower numbers. More people will be interested.
    58:03
    I like the location. I mean, you can't. There's so much parking. Yes, we have plenty of parking We have lots of food around the area It's a win-win And what we pay right now for our rent and everything I very ecstatic about And it not like stuff around there is expensive either No no Johan asks who in the pinball podcast world would be the best pinball designer Can I just say Zach? Yeah, I would say, well, I could, but he's not a pinball podcast. He's in the world. He's our third host. He is. I would say Zach. If not, I know your boss wants to be one, but I can't see him designing a pinball machine. I really can't. Who's my boss? Oh, Zach Minney? I was unaware he was my boss. He's your boss. David Dennis is my boss. No. David Dennis and Ron Hallett with the excellent Super Bowl Chronicles show from TPN. That's the second time you mentioned it, Dan. Okay.
    58:59
    You better be rolling the punches on ours. I haven't listened to the new Super Bowl Chronicles. I was working this week when it came out. Neither have I. Zach maybe Dennis not David Dennis but Dennis Creasel he's got a very analytical looking at stuff thing you know he can probably design but doesn't he hate all wide bodies and like Gottliebs oh he's not perfect he's got a super orbit I mean he's not perfect but nobody's like us nobody actually I don't mind super orbit I don't mind it either it's not bad Not great. That's not great, but it's not bad.
    59:38
    Insta-buy sight unseen themes from Mr. Castleton. There are none. Chocolate. There's nothing I would buy completely unseen. Because then you get like a... Beavis and Butthead. You would. No. You would. No, I would not. Because you get a Halloween scenario. Well, guess what? If Jersey Jack was doing Beavis and Butthead with the full license... Okay, let me rephrase this. It depends on who makes it. If Stern and or Jersey Jack said Beavis and Butthead, yes, I would buy it on scene. Right now, they're the only ones. To me, the other manufacturers have to prove themselves at that level. ELO for me. ELO. Yeah, perfectly. If it honestly said, somebody said, hey, we're making a Rush, but we're making an ELO version. Even if it was a Rush game and they rethemed it as ELO with different video assets and everything, I'd be like, in, sold.
    60:31
    Here's my money. Take my money. I don't know why we don't do that more now. Multiple themes on one pinball machine.
    60:39
    What, just retheme it? Yeah, especially if it's music. Eh, people get kind of pissed, like, he's just redoing the same play feel. Lazy. Guess what? People are pissed that somebody made a new game, and it's rethemed, I think. You can't win. So what the hell?
    60:57
    Robert Fires asks, Could Stu take down top rope pinball at level zero? Oh, yes. I don't know. Robert's pretty good. No, we can do it. He's gotten when dinosaurs conquered the earth on Jurassic Park. I know Stu hasn't done that. I know we got this. You know how we do this? How do we do this? We open up all the doors and windows in the basement. So it's freezing down there. Those Texas people aren't used to the cold.
    61:23
    His hands will actually get stuck being so long on playing the game. He'll rip away one time. rip the hands apart and start bleeding out proficiently. Winner, Ron.
    61:34
    Profusely, I think you mean. I'm actually being he's proficient at bleeding. Yes, and then Stu wins easily. Well, Robert Byers is into wrestling, so he'd blade himself and then bleed.
    61:46
    And I don't believe he's originally from Texas, too. I think he's from a colder area originally. He is, but he's softened up now. He's softened up and he's weak. Yeah, he's weak now. So, Stu, Stu, do you think you could beat him?
    61:58
    Who? Robert Byers, the top row pinball guy. That guy is a pussy. I could kick his ass, no problem. See? Okay. My money's on Stu. All right. Stu, what the hell are you doing here?
    62:12
    Yeah, leave. Leave. He's living in your basement. You didn't know that? He got kicked out of his boarding house. His boarding house.
    62:20
    Let's see. Jeff Teola says, how much you love hoops. I fucking love hoops. I played it. I played it a couple days ago, and oh my god, I had like 290 baskets. I was like, oh my god, I love this fucking game.
    62:34
    Hi, Joe. I think in our message string somewhere, it was like you're saying how good Hobbit was. I said, like, it's no hoops. It's no hoops or something like that. There's no hoops, and everyone's like, oh, oh. So mean. I'm sorry. It was good. Brian just says Ballarama.
    62:53
    What the hell is Ballarama? Let's look that up. Three months ago, Ballarama is an Australian pinball company. Your inner hero will be thrilled with a new challenge. Ballarama is bringing excitement, making games for generations to come. We are a creative, innovative pinball game and enjoy being part of the thriving pinball community. Ballarama Pinball offers a place where pinball enthusiasts can feel they belong. And we want you to have a part in our developing our innovative games. why now we want to be part of the expanding pinball industry but not only that we want to take pinball to places it's never been before okay lifetime support get back to me when they make some games yes we have a couple people here and i've never heard of any of them well they're in australia mate well that's right well come back when you made a game yeah i have no thoughts on this yeah everyone at pin side is bashing them well what else is new oh well they were on poor man's pinball podcast okay so they were be a kickstarter at 10k us limited 300 units was to be launched october 2021 and now it's saying march 2022 yeah they can go yank my you know whatage make it and then we'll see if you buy it okay this ain't no deep root this ain't no stealing you can just yank me off yeah is that your new song yeah is that the latest uh steel panther hit i wish you know that sounds like it could be a steel panther song just deep root oh we could actually do a steel panther pinball machine there you go my first one steel panther we have stuff in the ball bag oh we do yes we do well let's get that ball bag open Jesus Christ maybe I have to be like more like David Dennis because everyone seems like to like you two guys I'll just be like hi Ron I'm going to have a corny pun right now and you're going to be the straight guy for once the funny guy for once okay oh man um Soren sent us an email let's see hi Slam First Slam, this morning I got an idea for a quiz that I would like to suggest for your next show. Ooh, I like that. Let's see. What pinball machine should be picked for a one-credit marathon record attempt? Meaning a top-class player wants to set the record for the longest-playing single game of pinball. What machine would you recommend? Of course, there needs to be some rules. The game in factory condition with a reasonable tilt. Okay. He'll also say no EMs. And it has to have at least two or three backups, so you can't have something really rare. You've got to have that always. That's what you need for a Guinness book. Lord of the Rings has got to be up there. I think that would be a good one. Especially factory settings. But is there any game where you can get unlimited extra balls? Well, you can set it to 10. That's about max, I think. No, but it says factory. Yeah, you can set it to 10 factory. No, but... He's saying factory settings. It's not factory. Yes, he's saying factory settings. I don't know. Atta ball.
    66:17
    No EMs. I know. Well, there's three choices that come to mind for me. One, Charlie's Angels. Charlie's Angels? You got the worst game out, so you just bore everyone to death while they're trying to watch.
    66:34
    Being an asshole there. Second, you want something probably with a good theme that's family friendly. No. What? No. This is for a one-credit marathon record attempt. I know that. What game could be the longest playing? What does the theme have to do with anything? Well, because you want people to enjoy it while they're watching it, too. No, he's just asking for a world record attempt. Longest playing. It doesn't matter who watches it.
    66:59
    It has to be... It's got to be Simpsons Pinball Party, Lord of the Rings. Simpsons Lord of the Rings, yeah. I have to say, yeah, those are the two. Probably Lord of the Rings longer. I'll go with either Lord of the Rings or Simpsons Pinball Party. Yeah, it was a 1-2. They play so long.
    67:16
    Okay, Soren gives his pick. He gave his pick for the longest marathonable game, and he picked one that I forgot about, and he's kind of right.
    67:26
    Spectrum. God. And he's right because I remember they used this at the Texas Pinball Festival one time, and Trent Augustine was playing it. I walked by him, saw he was playing Spectrum. I came back about 45 minutes later. he was still playing Spectrum, and I figured, like, man, he keeps playing that game over and over, and I was told, no, that's the same game. Like, dear God. There were 47 people lining up behind him going, I've got to get in on this game. And for a modern game, he'd say, Simpson's Pinball Party.
    67:58
    Let's see, what else? Great minds think alike. Yes, they always do. Mm-hmm. Anybody else in the mail ball bag?
    68:06
    Lane sent us several emails with a full stream of consciousness. Oh my God. Bob Saget died. We had to stop there for a second, folks, because we just found out Bob Saget died. I'm trying to get on the internet here and it broke. And I try to click on Bob Saget. Holy shit. And it's on Yahoo. So it's. Well, no, you got to go. You got to go to TMZ. The authority. Comedian Bob Saget died. Yes. Wow. Pronounced dead on the scene. Yeah. And his best friend, Norm MacDonald, just died. Yeah. Now he died. What the hell? What the fuck? He was a good comedian, too. Looks like he literally just... Either died from a heart attack or something, yeah. Yeah.
    68:52
    Or he just did a two-hour set. He was talking about his dates and everything. Damn. Yeah, that's sad.
    69:02
    Sorry, that kind of distracted us there. That sucks. I liked him. Okay, we have Shannon. Hi, Shannon. Rod, you guys are awesome. Thank you. Really appreciate it. The two cents on roller games as well. Oh, yeah, the roller games question.
    69:18
    Rock, rock, rock and roller games. Okay. Rocking and rolling, rolling and rocking.
    69:31
    Chris emailed us, says, I found Robert Mueller's car. Uh-oh. You might want to open this one up, Bruce. Okay, give me two seconds.
    69:41
    the fucking sable with freaking good year was it say on the tires it's got hell yeah brother he's got the whole kogan thing and he's got the fun haver wait that is a fun spoiler on the back on that and what the hell's the thing sticking out the biggest exhaust pipe ever is going up in the air yeah oh my god yeah it's like it's an exhaust pipe like a diesel truck would have with a cap on the top.
    70:12
    Yes, that is Robert Mueller's car, brother. I would do Hulk Hogan impersonation, but my throat is shot.
    70:19
    I will be going to the doctor on Thursday. Yes, and he'll have something put down his throat and he'll be all better. So depending on what happens, it may be the last episode for a while. If they say something like, you have to shut up for a month. Then we'll just have Zach come on. It'll be me and Zach. You can just edit it. Fuck you.
    70:41
    Oh, that's it. That's it. I like that. The other stuff is just our pinball network. Your pinball network stuff. PIA Awards.
    70:54
    So let's see. Yeah, I think that's just about it. Yes, it is. But yeah, Bob Saget dying, that's pretty sad. Damn it.
    71:03
    I've been getting a little morbid lately, too. What a shitty way to end. It is. so i will see you in two weeks ron yes for the bootleg new york state championships yes bootleggage i am in because i think four or five i'm already in because i was 23rd yeah i'm moving up i'm moving up there's also a lot of people haven't responded uh i know a couple of our friends are going and a couple friends are not going i think somebody's streaming in a herd Oh, well, yeah, of course I've got to stream it. Honestly, I'd rather not stream until we get near the end. Yeah, toward the end. Because otherwise it's just no one, yeah. Okay, so, yeah, there's a lot of people signed up. I think there's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 out of the top 24 that have not responded.
    71:58
    And there's like three or four no's. So I'll move up to 20th then. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, I did get – I got an email from the Texas Pinball Festival that says I'm – Yes, you have to pay for your – No, I'm not there yet because I didn't make it. I'm on the waiting list. Okay. But I actually got a thing saying I'm now in the top ten of the waiting list.
    72:26
    Nice. So if I actually make it, I have 72 hours to pay. Or you're cut off. Or I'm – yeah, dropped. Yikes. February. I'm going to see where I'm at in the district since you guys are in the District 82 thing. I'm trying to get in on that. The District 82. Great Lakes Open. Let's see. There is a wait list. And how did I go down one? I was fifth. Now I'm sixth. That makes no sense.
    72:59
    You should be two away from Zach. Yeah, I am. There you go. No, I'm three away from Zach. There's two between us. Oh.
    73:08
    Yeah, that makes no sense. But, yeah, we're still waiting. Come on, people. Start dropping off like fucking flies. Because I want to beat Ron Hallett in something. Again. You beat me all the time. I know. I love it. Unless, of course, you go to IFPA and look at our head-to-head and you see I'm clearly in the lead. But other than that... When it counts the money, I'm in.
    73:29
    Okay. okay mr rod i think we are done yeah i want a happier way to end it after the bob saga thing but i i got nothing i know it sucks i got nothing man well until next time folks you guys think of zach and steve oh yeah hi website everything oh yeah you're done oh i'm sorry yes we're the slam till podcast this has been episode 179 you can reach us at slam till podcast at gmail.com Check out our website at slamtelpodcast.com. All our links are in the upper right-hand corner. You can tell us how bad Pinsight sucks by emailing us.
    74:09
    I don't care. Pinsight can be helpful, too. I agree. Once in a blue moon, it is. The game-specific ones are very helpful. Yes. But for things like the Deep Root Threat, it's like, just move on. Who cares? It's over. We'll see you here, people. Move along. Oh, nothing to see here. Move along. Is that offensive? The Irish cop thing? Yes, now it is. I'm offended because I'm Irish. Yeah, I'm sorry. That's it. Well, I'm offended with your Italian shit because I'm Italian. Are you? You seem watered down. I'm watered down.
    74:47
    My mother was the rare Irish-Italian mix that you never see ever. Yeah. What was I saying? Oh, yes. Thanks to all our friends out there in our Facebook chat. Hi, Steve. Hi, everyone. Mr. Teolis, we miss you, brother. Teolis, Loser Kid. Yes. Dr. and Mrs. Pin, everyone, the whole world. This fucking pinball pricing is fucking going to crack money now.
    75:16
    Sea Witch for $5,500. Crack is cheaper. $5,500 for a fucking Sea Witch. Oh, my. Yeah, oh, my. How about a Joker poker for $2,500?
    75:28
    Is it a really nice Joker poker? It's okay. It's not bad. There you go. It's not great. Did you see the $20,000 new in-box high speed? Yeah, I saw that, and this fucking guy was an idiot and a half. That really wasn't? Like, it was damaged originally, but then put back in the box, but then the legs were spray-painted for some reason because they were rusty? and there's like acid damage, as you would think there probably would be, I mean with $20,000. I know.
    76:01
    I think the guy who bought my catacomb was from Wisconsin. And no, this one's way worse. Oh, no, God, no. This one's on crack. $4,000 for a catacomb that has major playfield wear. Are you being the price police, Bruce? I am being the price police. The fucking police are on fucking crack lately.
    76:24
    $4,300 for a hundred of them Globetrotters. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Oh, but here we go, Ron. Stranger Things Premium with Topper and UV Kit. How much would you pay for one of those? Whoa. $10,000. $12,000. Oh, more than I'd pay. On that note, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Bob Saget.
    76:54
    Oh, my, my. Can you boogie? Can you slide? Oh, my, my. You can boogie if you try. Oh, my, my. Guaranteed to keep you alive. Oh my
    77:44
    Thank you.