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052: So you think you want to start a pinball collective

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 2m·analyzed·Jun 17, 2026
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TL;DR

PRPHQ operators share lessons from building a 36-machine pinball collective in 6 months, highlighting costs, volunteer dynamics, and why it can't succeed alone.

Summary

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast hosts Stephanie and Mike discuss their experience founding and operating PRPHQ (Punk Rock Pinball Headquarters), a private member-owned pinball collective in Bloomington, Illinois. Started in late 2025 to solve the problem of losing tournament venues, the collective has grown from 16-17 machines to 36 in just months, with 20-60 hours per week of combined volunteer effort from members like Jeff (primary tech), Kevin, CJ, and others. Key challenges include unexpected expenses (snow removal ~$250/event, high gas bills for heating), difficulty recruiting expected members despite low $30/month fees, and the impossibility of running it solo—it requires a 'village' of volunteers with varying skill levels (techs, cleaners, organizers). The hosts emphasize this is a passion project, not a profit venture, and they discuss the mechanics of building and sustaining a community space.

Key Claims

  • PRPHQ started in November 2025 and officially opened memberships in December, growing from 16-17 to 36 machines

    high confidence · Stephanie and Mike discussing timeline and current machine count

  • Monthly membership fee is $30, comparable to Netflix, and league/tournament attendance is 20-30+ players

    high confidence · Stephanie and Mike discussing membership pricing and tournament attendance numbers

  • Running the collective requires approximately 50-60 hours per week of combined volunteer labor across machine maintenance, cleaning, and event management

    medium confidence · Mike and Stephanie estimating total volunteer hours including Jeff's tech work, cleaning, repairs

  • Snow removal costs approximately $250 per event and the facility experienced 5 snow events in the winter, totaling $750-$1000+ unexpectedly

    high confidence · Stephanie discussing surprise expenses, mentioning two big snows in one month cost $500

  • Gas heating bills for the limestone building were $235-240 in a single month during cold weather

    high confidence · Stephanie discussing utility costs prior to recent price increases

  • The facility was formerly a turtle hatchery and is located in a converted 1800s train depot building that was physically moved via mule and pulley

    high confidence · Mike and Stephanie describing the unique building history and current location

  • Some hardcore pinball tournament players from Champaign and Peoria have not joined despite heavy tournament participation, surprising the operators

    high confidence · Stephanie expressing surprise at non-membership of regular tournament players, despite low cost

  • The collective was sparked by Zach Morey's suggestion to formalize existing community pinball gatherings into a collective model similar to ORD in Chicago

    high confidence · Mike and Stephanie recounting the origin story and Zach's role

Notable Quotes

  • “The problem we were trying to solve was we kept losing our locations for pinball tournaments in central Illinois between Bloomington lost our main place and for a year Mike and I were driving about an hour west to Peoria”

    Stephanie @ early segment — Explains the core problem that motivated founding PRPHQ—venue instability and long travel distances

  • “You can't do it by yourself. No. You need a village. Yeah. You need a village. You need at least a few people.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ mid-segment discussing time commitment — Core lesson emphasized multiple times: collective operation requires distributed volunteer labor

  • “This is a passion project. This is like this. And I hope that this podcast doesn't come across as like we're complaining about any of this because like we signed up to do this and like this was never meant to be. It's meant to be a pinball collective, a community space, like a third space for our friends to come together and play pinball and hang out together.”

    Stephanie @ closing financial discussion — Clarifies foundational motivation is community, not profit; reframes cost discussion as transparency, not complaint

  • “Is this something someone should do to make money? God, no. No. No, this is a passion project.”

    Mike @ final question segment — Explicit warning that pinball collectives are not viable profit ventures

  • “It's like a little bit of a speakeasy. ... I know we both really want to, like, we're like holding ourselves back from promoting this bigger in a way.”

    Stephanie @ membership discussion — Reveals intentional restraint in marketing/growth—collective maintaining organic, tight-knit community character

  • “We have found several new members that, like, I really never anticipated that would be members, like just people that disappeared out of the ether, sort of, where they found it on pinball maps or whatever, and now they're members.”

    Stephanie @ membership discussion — Notes unexpected discovery through Pinball Map; membership spans both known community and discovery

Entities

Punk Rock Pinball Headquarters (PRPHQ)organizationStephaniepersonMikepersonJeffpersonZach MoreypersonDavidpersonKevinpersonJoepersonShelly

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: PRPHQ established as formal pinball collective addressing venue instability in central Illinois; model driven by community problem-solving rather than commercial venture

    high · Stephanie explains: 'The problem we were trying to solve was we kept losing our locations for pinball tournaments in central Illinois'; founded after losing Landmark Lanes to building sale

  • ?

    venue_signal: PRPHQ expanded from 1 suite to 2 adjacent suites within first month; rapid expansion to accommodate machine growth and buffer against neighbor conflicts

    high · Mike: 'We decided to take over the space next to us because it became available... Part of it was for more space for more pinball machines because we were kind of a little nuts to butts in the original suite'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Collective operates on distributed volunteer labor with specialized roles: Jeff and CJ handle complex repairs, Kevin and others do maintenance/cleaning, Shelly manages logistics—estimated 50-60 hours/week total

    high · Mike and Stephanie discuss requiring 'a village' with specific skill tiers; Jeff provides unpaid tech support; estimated 50-60 hours/week when summed across members

  • ?

    product_concern: Heavy public play is causing rapid rubber degradation; three rubber failures in 1.5 weeks (Walking Dead, Fall of the Empire, Black Knight SOAR) versus typical slow degradation at home

    high · Stephanie: 'If it's just a home game like that takes a long time before you get enough plays to where the rubbers are just snapping in half, typically... we've had like a rubber on The Walking Dead broke and a sling rubber on FALL of the Empire broke'

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Bad snaps. But they were good enough to make Marshall run away. He didn't like it. Doesn't like snaps. This is the Punk Rock Pinball Podcast, episode 52. Okay. Yeah. I'm Stephanie. I'm Mike. This is the show. We're the hosts of the show. And it's a pajama edition for me. Pajama pants? Pajama. I got my comfy pants on, my pajama shirt. Are you going to wear that to the pinball tournament later? I might.
0:42
We have our pinball tournament at Poor Bros in Bloomington, Illinois this afternoon. I mean, these aren't technically pajama pants. They're made out of old sheets. I made them. Oh. But they're not... the pattern's not like pajama pants. They're sheet pants. They're nice pants. Oh my gosh. Okay, so it's Sunday, like nooner. It's like a nooner. Yeah, we're usually not recording this early. Noon o'clock, Sunday, January 14th. Got to get it done. We've got a second tournament of the weekend, like you said, at Poor Bros. And then I have to go out of town for a couple days. Yeah, I wonder if we'll put this out on Monday then or Wednesday. Just Wednesday? I feel you, I don't know, I guess. What do you like as the viewer? Do you like when we do Mondays or Wednesdays? Last couple have been on Wednesday and we like it because it gives us an extra day. If we can't get it done on Sunday, it gives us like we can do it Tuesday night. Yeah. So let us know in the comments below. Yeah, let us know in the comments. It just is a little hard. There's so much going on in the summertime. Yeah, and we have some big tournaments coming up that we're playing where we'll be gone on the Sundays. So, Sunday's not always an automatic day. It'll be on Wednesday. Unless a bunch of you say, no, give me Mondays, then we'll figure out. Maybe we'll start recording them on like Friday nights or something. Yeah. Who knows? You know what? It doesn't matter. It doesn't. As long as we're having fun, that's all that matters. Yeah. We're having fun, right? We're having fun. Yeah, last night we had a tournament at HQ, our monthly, which was a little goofy because usually we do the third Saturday, but next weekend is the third Saturday and there's a big event in Chicago called the Silver Ball Social, I think is what it's called. Silver Ball Super Social. Yeah. And we're going to that. A bunch of people from HQ members are going up to that, so we changed it this week, or this month. And it was kind of a bummer because it ended up conflicting with another event about an hour and a half away in Galesburg. So I know a lot of people went out to that because Cory doesn't do a lot of stuff and that's cool and special. And they had a double header. They had a double header. Yeah. So that's cool. But yeah, I know we have a couple other conflicts happening later this summer. We should figure out maybe, like, do we just keep the third Saturday and maybe find somebody else to TD it? Possibly. We should talk to everybody about that. Yeah, maybe we have somebody, I'm sure we have some members that might want to learn how to TD that might not be going to these farther away events. Yeah. Maybe like, maybe Chad? Maybe. I don't know. We'll talk. Yeah. And figure it out because I know like August is a conflict. What's in August? We have a wedding to go to on the third Saturday. Oh, that's the third Saturday? Yeah. Okay. So we got to we'll figure it out. People, I'm just rambling. Yeah. Sorry, Gavin.

“We didn't use membership fees to do [the startup stuff]. ... The insurance. Yeah, the insurance, all the security cameras, the whole key fob system. Like, we just spent our own money on all that stuff.”

[name withheld pending review] @ expenses discussion — Reveals founders absorbed major capital costs from personal funds, not membership revenue

  • “I mean, it took almost 40 minutes to clean the glass on all of them. And I like to have clean glass. ... And I like the dusty, dirty fingerprint glass. No.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ maintenance discussion — Illustrates the scaling challenge: machine maintenance time grows non-linearly with collection size

  • “Imagine trying to do that and play in a tournament at the same time and be the tournament director all at the same time. I agree.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ streaming discussion — Explains constraint on live streaming ambitions: no capacity to simultaneously play, TD, and stream

  • “We have like a rubber on The Walking Dead broke and a sling rubber on FALL of the Empire broke and the ones on Black Knight Sword of Rage, they weren't broke, but they were both like within a smaller than a millimeter of their life.”

    Stephanie @ maintenance costs discussion — Demonstrates accelerated wear rates when machines are in heavy public use vs. home play

  • person
    CJperson
    Chadperson
    Cobbperson
    Jennyperson
    Spicy Richperson
    Landmark Lanesvenue
    Silver Ball Social Clubevent
    ORDorganization
    Night Shopvenue
    Punk Rock Pinball Podcastorganization
    Poor Brosvenue
    Pinball Mapproduct
    Lost Worldgame
    Tom Graffperson
    Mike Ravelliperson

    business_signal: Unexpected high costs: snow removal $250/event (5 events = $1250), gas heating $235-240/month in cold weather, utilities generally higher than anticipated; electricity rate increase of 20% announced for summer

    high · Stephanie details: 'Every time it snowed, that was a bummer because it was about $250 per snow... one month where we had two big snows. So it was like $500 extra that month'; gas bill 'over $200' in cold month

  • ?

    business_signal: Founders absorbed startup costs (insurance, security cameras, key fob system) from personal funds, not membership fees; memberships ($30/month) cover ongoing operational costs only

    high · Stephanie: 'We didn't use membership fees to do [startup stuff]... The insurance. Yeah, the insurance, all the security cameras, the whole key fob system. Like, we just spent our own money on all that stuff'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Operators surprised that hardcore tournament players from Champaign and Peoria haven't joined despite low $30/month cost and strong scene participation; attributed to financial circumstances or unknown barriers

    high · Stephanie: 'I figured that like because our price to join is $30 a month for a regular membership, which is like the same price as a Netflix subscription... And I just thought anybody that's that into pinball would just be like, yeah, OK... but I don't want to like guilt anybody'

  • ?

    community_signal: Members unexpectedly engaged in non-core contributions: Chad brings artwork, Jeff self-organizes repairs, Shelly proactively creates event listings, Kevin constantly volunteers—exceeds founders' expectations

    high · Stephanie: 'there were a handful of people that were pretty hardcore into the pinball tournament community that had not joined. But then, on the flip side of that, like, we have a lot of members that are contributing a ton of effort in ways that I didn't expect'

  • ?

    event_signal: Monthly tournaments grew from historical ~16 players at Night Shop to 20-30+ at PRPHQ; league nights on Thursday exceed prior tournament sizes; growth exceeds founders' expectations

    high · Stephanie: 'historically like the pinball tournaments in Bloomington, we had our monthlies at Night Shop... And like the big ones there had 16 people and like we have more than that typically on the league night on Thursday. And our monthies are usually over 20, like 20 to 30'

  • ?

    community_signal: Central Illinois location draws from Peoria and Champaign despite 35-40 minute drives; perceived distance affects participation differently for players with Chicagoland experience vs. local expectations

    medium · Stephanie notes 35-40 minute drive 'doesn't feel far to me' from Chicagoland background; acknowledges local perspective views it as 'far drive' but 'doesn't feel much of a deal' on country roads

  • ?

    operational_signal: Collective wants to stream tournaments but lacks capacity; current setup exists but requires specialized skills and competes with TD, gameplay, and maintenance responsibilities during events

    high · Stephanie: 'we'd love to do like regular streams, but like we're not going to be able to do that just with us running the stream because if you've watched the better streams like the Electric Bat stream and the Fox Cities pinball, like it's not easy to set up and run that stuff'

  • $

    market_signal: PRPHQ uses $30/month membership pricing model; founders intentionally limit marketing to maintain 'speakeasy' culture; membership growth organic rather than growth-focused

    high · Stephanie: 'I know we both really want to, like, we're like holding ourselves back from promoting this bigger in a way... It's like a little bit of a speakeasy'; $30 = Netflix price point

  • 3:44
    So that kind of brings us to our topic today. We're going to talk about what it's like to create and run a pinball collective or a private pinball club because that's what we have here. We have had lots of, I've had a number of people like message me either email or Facebook message like asking questions people that want to do this or that are considering doing something like this. So I thought I thought a lot of people would probably find it interesting like just what it's like and how you can like run a pinball club or pinball collective. So I've got some questions. Yeah, I guess like just a little bit of the backstory on it though to start is that we started this late last year in the Q4 of 2025. It was kind of sparked by an idea that... Well, that's going to be answered in the first question. Oh, go ahead. I was just going to... You're jumping the gun. There's a question for this. I'll answer it. There's a question for this you can answer. The question is, what problem were you trying to solve when you decided to open the Punk Arc Pinball HQ? Go ahead. That's the question. Yep. Yeah. Do you want me to answer it? Yeah. Okay. Well, the problem we were trying to solve was we kept losing our locations for pinball tournaments in central Illinois between Bloomington lost our main place and for a year Mike and I were We're driving about an hour west to Peoria where there was an awesome setup at a place called Landmark Lanes Bowling Alley with this big kind of sports bar setup and a huge room filled with pinball machines that our friend CJ put in there. And it was super fun. And then Landmark, the building got sold and we lost our spot. And that happened end of last summer? Yeah, I think so. So our friends Joe and Shelly started hosting more events at their house because they always have. And we were doing stuff at our house, too, just trying to keep the scene going, like trying to keep the gang together, basically. Yeah. And then our friend Zach Morey, who lives here in town, he said, hey, have you guys heard about like these pinball collectives? And we knew about ORD up in Chicago, which is a pinball collective. But Zach was kind of like, we should do this. We should do this. We should pull our pinball machines together and do something. Yeah. So Zach kind of sparked the spark the idea. Yeah. Just some random weekday evening. He just came over to play a little pinball with us and was like, hey, yeah, I have that idea. And then I and my friend David that ran the bombsite recording studio, he had a space next to bombsite that was going to be available soon. So that's how the space came to be. Yeah. So it was formerly a turtle hatchery turned DIY pinball space. Yeah. But yeah, David had this space and subletted it to us and the price was right. The rent was pretty cheap for what it is. It's kind of like in a weird spot on the, I wouldn't say the outskirts of town, but the outskirts of downtown. Yeah. Kind of in a semi-residential, semi-industrial with the rail tracks. Yeah. It's just a weird spot. Yeah, the building used to be like a train depot in the 1800s. It's a huge limestone building and it was like, they moved it like a couple hundred yards I feel like in the late 1800s or early 1900s like with a mule. Yeah. Like in a big pulley thing. But it is because it's like back, it backs up to the tracks and they're like the train workers are all back there behind us. And on the other front side of the street, it's a neighborhood. Yep. So it's kind of a unique location. The price was right to just kind of like, let's see if it works. So in November we started getting the plans together. Yeah. So this has, we haven't been doing it that long. No, not even a year. No, and we by no means are experts, but we just kind of figured, yeah, maybe this will help some other people answer some questions, maybe spark some other people to do something similar, because it is pretty fun. It's a lot of fun. And so we started there in November, moving stuff in, kind of getting the space ready, and opened up memberships, I think officially in December. Yeah. And we had a handful of people that we knew, we kind of floated, before we just pulled the trigger and said let's do this, we talked to a handful of people about would you join and would you put some games in.
    9:03
    Okay, yeah, so we had a handful of people that we knew were going to join and put games in. So that gave us enough confidence that, like, we'll do this, we'll try it.
    9:15
    Because we wouldn't be paying, like, the entire lease, like, with no members off of the, out of the gate. Yeah, a little bit of safety net there to see if, like, we could get it going. Yeah. So then we figured, like, yeah, let's just, let's give it a shot. We gave it a shot. Uh-huh.
    9:32
    Next question. Did you think it would become what it is today? I would say yes and no would be my answer to this. Like since we launched just like a month ago, we decided to take over the space next to us because it became available. Part of it was for more space for more pinball machines because we were kind of a little nuts to butts in the original suite, I'll call it.
    10:08
    But it was more to kind of like protect what we're doing and avoid another neighbor coming in because we do have one neighbor where our space, our original space is in the middle of the building. So on one side was our friend David with his recording studio and on the other side is another business. And when David decided that he was no longer going to keep his amazing space in this incredible recording studio, it just kind of broke our hearts a little bit to see that everything he'd built just kind of go up into this space of like, who knows what's going to happen with that. And also opening us up to potentially having another neighbor who might get crabby about the noise that we create. Yeah. So we decided to take over David's lease and I think he was probably very happy about that too because he still has access to the space. I forgot the question. Is it what I thought it would be? Yeah. So, I mean, it's grown more than I thought it would in the short amount of time, like space wise. I kind of thought we'd have a few more members for that. So that has been, I mean, we have a pretty, for the amount of the population of Central Illinois and the number of players, I feel like the player, pinball players that participate in tournaments all know about us, but they're not all members. Right. And that I'm a bit surprised by. And I don't want to like guilt anybody. Right. But I'm, that's just, I'm kind of surprised by that. Yeah, I'm a little surprised by that. Like, we have found several new members that, like, I really never anticipated that would be members, like just people that disappeared out of the ether, sort of, where they found it on pinball maps or whatever, and now they're members. And then there were a handful of people that were pretty hardcore into the pinball tournament community that had not joined. I thought, oh, well, they would certainly be members that aren't. But then, on the flip side of that, like, we have a lot of members that are contributing a ton of effort in ways that I didn't expect, like, other members to do as well. Yeah. So, like, did you think it would become what it is today? Like, I didn't know we'd grow to this many machines this fast, but also I didn't know, like, our friend Jeff.
    12:57
    He was one of our original members and we barely knew Jeff at the time. And then now Jeff is kind of, for a good portion of the machines in there, like the main tech that fixes them all.
    13:12
    And we don't really pay Jeff for that. Yeah. And then you have people like Kevin who is there every time and helps us shut down stuff. Last night I threw garbage bags in the back of his truck. We have members like Chad from Peoria who like every other time he comes he's bringing like some artwork and stuff that we can hang up. He made the cool signs for... Spicy Rich brings artwork to hang up and folks bring like snacks and drinks so that part of it like a lot of the members we have have been like really kind of more active and helpful than I anticipated in a lot of ways. I totally agree. Yeah. But there's still a portion of like the hardcore players like in both Champaign and like Peoria that I figured thought would join that haven't. And it's like, I don't know. I figured that like because our price to join is $30 a month for a regular membership, which is like the same price as a Netflix subscription. And I just thought anybody that's that into pinball would just be like, yeah, OK. Yeah. I mean, you never know what someone's financial situation is. But yeah, that was kind of surprising, but I get it. But you're right, the people who have contributed in just really interesting ways and great ideas, it doesn't feel like it's like the Mike, at least I don't feel like it's just the Mike and Stephanie show. I hope other people don't feel that way. I don't think they do because, like you said, people are contributing in really super awesome ways. Also, when you're talking about Jeff helping out when things happen, he's been so awesome about popping in when nobody else is around and fixing machines. CJ's put a lot of time also into fixing some things on his machines and other members' machines and just pointing out. So where things maybe need to be, you know, adjusted or maybe not quite right. So that's just, it's cool. Like you don't feel like you're in it by yourself. Yeah. And then like Shelly usually creates the event listings on like Facebook and wherever else for the tournaments Shelly handles all that proactively She just text us like what format do you want for next month And then boom it in there Yeah, she's awesome. So Shelly's helping a ton with that kind of logistical stuff. And I know that like on the membership thing, like we've we have found some new people like in our monthly tournament last night, we had Jenny from Champaign come over. It was her first tournament, not our regular Jenny, a new Jenny. Uh huh. And she had a really great time and she's not really a pinball player, never done a tournament. And that was cool of her. She said she's going to come back again. Cool. And that was really funny and it got me thinking this morning, like, I know we both really want to, like, we're like holding ourselves back from promoting this bigger in a way. A little bit. And so it's like, I think if we did, we probably would have more people. Yeah.
    16:46
    That is true. But we're kind of like walking a line. Yeah, it's like a little bit of a speakeasy. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I think, and actually if you look at the, historically like the pinball tournaments in Bloomington, we had our monthlies at Night Shop. Mm-hmm. And like the big ones there had 16 people and like we have more than that typically on the league night on Thursday. And our monthies are usually over 20, like 20 to 30. So the tournaments maybe have been bigger than we expected because Peoria typically had the bigger tournaments than Bloomington. And I know being down here, a lot of people feel like Peoria to Bloomington is a far drive, even though growing up like in Chicagoland, like 35, 40 minute drive doesn't feel far to me. But that's all perspective. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Because it takes you 40 minutes in Chicagoland to go three miles sometimes. So I feel like 35, 40 minutes down country roads, it's not much of a deal. Yeah, it's not right or wrong. It's just you write a different perspective on it. Yeah. Let's see. What was harder, finding machines or finding members? We kind of talked about the challenge of finding members. I would say finding members is harder than finding machines.
    18:26
    And I think I'm actually shocked at how quickly our number of machines has grown. Yeah. I mean, we're now at 37 machines. 36. 36 machines. We started with 17. I think we started with like 16 or 17. And now we're up to 36. And it's kind of fun how it has grown. So it's not just, it's not necessarily just the same people. Yeah. We've added some more. Jeff has added some more. Joe and Shelly have added some more. But I love the latest addition. Yeah. It's collab between two members who pulled in some money together to get this really fun solid state game, Lost World. Which was in the finals last night. And I think Jeff owns part of that game too. Oh, he does? Oh, that's cool. Chad and Cobb and Jeff. Yeah, it's really fun because we know that even some of the older games, like it's an investment. I don't want to say you're investing your money thinking you're going to get a return on it, but you're putting your you're shelling out some cash. Yeah, you're showing out some cash. So to just kind of lessen that blow a little bit with a couple buddies is fun and you all have access to it. Yeah. Here's a good one. How much time per week goes into running the club? I'm going to have to crunch some numbers here. Excuse me. So Mondays I'm there at least five hours. And then Thursdays I'm there at least five hours. And then usually a Saturday or Sunday or both. I'd say it's probably at least like 20 hours per week. Or pretty close to it. We have a few stands and some weeks more depending. We have open hours like Mondays from 6 to 10 p.m. but I go over there at 5 to clean stuff up. Then Thursdays I usually go over at 5 and our league is on Thursday. Then we have always a monthly tournament, but we're usually there either a Saturday or Sunday for in town. Yeah. One or if not both of those days. So it's probably 20 hours a week-ish for me. Yeah, you're over there way more than I am. I feel like you and Kevin are there a lot. Kevin's there a lot. And then Jeff goes, like Jeff is there right now to check out some issues that arised at the tournament last night. On Rocky and Bullwinkle? Rocky and Bullwinkle. So if you add up everyone's hours that sort of help run it, I mean, it's probably like 35 to 50 hours a week in terms of you think about Jeff's time fixing things, CJ's time fixing things. Me and Kevin even did some minor repairs. There's, what's that, Thursday or yesterday, we were changing some sling rubbers and I changed some, messed with the flippers on Mandalorian. Yeah, I feel like Kevin's there just as much as you are, just is always ready to lend a hand. Mm-hmm. So if you think about like working time, like it's probably, if you add up everybody that's in there like working on stuff, Joey spent a lot of time working on his games. There's probably a good 50 to 60 hours a week really of like working on stuff when you're not playing. Yeah. And that's not all spent by one person. No. But if you added up the time where you spent several hours like hanging new banners up last week and cleaning and taking out the garbage. So between like machine maintenance and keeping things clean and all that stuff, like it's probably 50 to 60 hours a week total that somebody is doing something. Yeah, that's probably fair.
    22:50
    And like, and we're only open like two or three days a week, really, where we have like heavy play. Yeah, because people who have games in there have keys and they can go and play whenever they want. And yeah, that's cool. So yeah, yeah, you're probably right. Like in just thinking about that, for anybody who's thinking about doing something similar, like you can't do it by yourself. No. You need a village. Yeah. You need a village. You need at least a few people. Like you need one or two that are really good at like fixing games.
    23:28
    Then you need a couple people. You need one or two like really qualified game fixers. And then you need a couple people like me that are not highly qualified game fixers, but I can like rebuild flippers and I can change rubbers and I can clean them. You need a couple people like that. Because ideally, like the people that have like my level of skills do the cleaning in the minor maintenance and then you leave it to the Jeffs and the CJs to fix the things that we're not capable of fixing. Yeah. You know, like an actual tech to fix like tech problems. And like if something's like physically broken, like I can take it out and replace it. If there's an equal part to replace it with, I can do that. But like I can't solder things and I can't always diagnose like if machines doing something weird. So you need like a Jeff to do that. Yeah. So yeah, it's definitely not something to do solo unless like you're retired. Yeah, but I think you're retired. But I think even if you have all of those skills, if like Jeff and CJ who are like have the most experience in our group of repairing things and diagnosing problems, even if you're like one of those guys, you still can't do it all on your own. It's just like it's it's a lot. Especially as you have more machines. Yeah. Because just like yesterday, now that we have 36, I mean, it took almost 40 minutes to clean the glass on all of them. And I like to have clean glass. Yeah. And I like the dusty, dirty fingerprint glass.
    25:12
    No. So I clean the glass quite frequently. But you get more machines, that part takes a lot longer. Yeah. Yeah, I'm really, I feel like we're fortunate that the group that we have, I feel like everybody is willing to kind of lend a hand. I think the hardest part is sometimes, at least for me, it's hard to ask for help. Yeah. Or, yeah, it's just hard to ask for help because you want everyone to have a really good time And, yeah, it's just hard. It's hard to ask for help sometimes. Yeah, because there are things that we would like to do that, like, we're not doing, like, doing, like, cool streams of our tournaments.
    26:06
    And we have a pretty good setup for it where we'd have a nice little spot for the commentators to be. We have this semblance of a rig, but it's like we're already tournament directing the tournaments and working on the games and throwing the stuck balls. So it would be really cool if we could find a couple, maybe there are members that aren't members yet that want to do, and we have this channel that we can stream on. So I'd love to do like regular streams, but like we're not going to be able to do that just with us running the stream because if you've watched the better streams like the Electric Bat stream and the Fox Cities pinball, like it's not easy to set up and run that stuff. No, it's like a production. It's a production. And they do such, they've set the bar so high. Mm-hmm. And it is, yeah, they do a really, really good job. And it's funny because last night at the tournament, our friend Mike Ravelli from Chicago Water and Fire Arcade came down and he and I were talking about, you know, the streaming and he's done a lot of streaming, did a lot of it during COVID before he moved out to Chicago. Yeah. And he was just talking about how like, yeah, he'd love to do more of that at Chicago Water and Fire, but it's like, it's a lot to do during an event. Yeah. Like you said, to do the unstuck balls and tournament direct and make calls and do that. And if you're playing in the tournament. How does Tom Graff do it? Like, how does Tom Graff do it? How does Tom Graff do it? And like Kayla on the Electric Batcast, like he's playing in those. Yeah. I don't know if Serge, I think Serge even plays in them. I think so. So they're playing in them and doing the stream. Maybe they're probably more competent in their streaming. Like Tom Graff and Electropath, they've done tons and tons of streams. So it probably becomes second nature at a certain point, like the skills to do it. But for me, we've done a handful of streams on this channel, and just doing that bit of it's real stressful, Imagine trying to do that and play in a tournament at the same time and be the tournament director all at the same time. I agree.
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    Well, and it's funny because after last week's episode, there were a few people that emailed me the password. And there's a fellow, David, from North Dakota who wrote me. And he was like, I would love to see more live gameplay like the early days. Because remember when we were doing that in here? And it was fun. And I'm like, oh gosh, yeah, like we need to, we do need to figure that out. And, and it just kind of, it really made me smile when he said, I would just like to see, I don't get out to that part of the country very often. And I would love to see more of the gang. And I feel like, well, that just is cool. Like I would like people to see, you know, Joe and Shelly and Chad and Kevin and Kat. Yeah. All the people we talk about. One day we will do it. We'll get it to where we can stream like our tournaments or have like a Monday's like streaming night or something. We will get there, but it's going to require some some kind of help or skills contributed from some other members in our little scene here. We'll figure it out. And the summers are kind of hard to anyway is like people are going on vacations and traveling and kids have sports. Yeah, it's a busy time. Yeah. So maybe we'll, and we all have jobs. And that too. We all have jobs. This is a good one. What expenses surprise you the most? Well, I mean, I have a couple. You do? Yeah. I mean, maybe balls? No, balls aren't that expensive. Well, I mean, it wasn't inexpensive to put the key fob thing in. No. Which, like, that didn't come out of membership. Like, some of the startup stuff, like, we didn't use membership fees to do. Right. Like, the insurance. Yeah, the insurance, all the security cameras, the whole key fob system. Like, we just spent our own money on all that stuff. Mm-hmm. A big one that surprised me because I didn't realize that the space were in the property owners don't handle the snow removal. Oh, yeah. So every time it snowed, that was a bummer because it was about $250 per snow. Yeah. And I didn't really have that factored in to the numbers. Yeah. Of like 250. And like there was one month where we had two big snows. So it was like $500 extra that month just for snow. Yeah. And then the very next month there was another one. Yeah. So you looking at 750 bucks for snow removal in a two month period that you weren accounting for like that was a bummer I wasn anticipating the gas bill to be as much as it was
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    So far the electric bills haven't been a lot, but I haven't seen one since we've had the two spaces now.
    31:33
    So that's probably going to be a shocking number. Probably. I tell you that we had a really frigid, I can't remember, January or February, and the gas bill for one of those months was over $200. It was like $235 or $240. It's a lot for gas. Just for the gas. Yeah. The electric bill so far has been under $100. I think because it's the limestone building, it doesn't get super hot. And I thought it would stay warm better than it does.
    32:05
    But it was very expensive to heat it. And that was the gas bill prior to what's going on in the world now.
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    So I would assume that the gas bill, if that doesn't change, this winter is going to be even more. Isn't natural gas different? It's different, but I think the prices are impacted in a similar way. Okay. Well, maybe more of that is maybe more of the natural gas comes from here. I don't know. We'll see. Hopefully. We'll see. Hopefully. And the electric bill didn't reflect the thing that just came from the electric company that during June whatever until like September, electricity is going to be 20% more than it was. That's awesome. Mm-hmm. So I think the electric bills are going to probably start to be in the 200s.
    33:00
    So electric and gas, obviously we knew you had to pay utilities. I wasn't expecting the gas bill to be that high.
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    And I wasn't counting on, well, for one, we usually don't have that many snows that require somebody come plow, but we have like five this year. Yeah, it's not, like compared to other places we've lived, this is like not a snowy place. Yeah, but if you are thinking of doing a pinball collective or some such thing in the north, think about the cost of snow removal, maybe check your lease and see, like, do I handle that or does the landlord handle that? In our case, we handle that. Yeah. It's like 250 bucks per job. That was a big expense. Other things just like, yeah, we had, we bought a lot of pinballs. We've replaced a lot of pinballs. We've gone through a lot of glass cleaner. Yeah. A lot of toilet paper. A lot of toilet paper, paper towels. Yeah. I know. Kevin had a great idea of like getting one of those like dispensers. I feel like, yeah, maybe I should take a trip to Sam's Club and get one of those dispensers. Yeah, so all that little stuff adds up. Mm-hmm. Having more, like I'm going to need to order, in terms of machine maintenance, I knew we'd have to clean them more. Like you have to clean it way more often than when it's at your house. Yeah, sure. But things like rubbers. So in the last week and a half, we've had like three machines have rubbers break, which if it's just a home game like that takes a long time before you get enough plays to where the rubbers are just snapping in half, typically. So we've had like a rubber on The Walking Dead broke and a sling rubber on FALL of the Empire broke and the ones on Black Knight Sword of Rage, they weren't broke, but they were both like within a smaller than a millimeter of their life. Oh my gosh. So we changed those. So like just having a supply of like coil sleeves and coil steps and rubber, a variety of sizes of rubbers and things like that. But none of that stuff is super expensive. No, it's just, it's, we feel like we've played our machines when they're all at home a lot. Like we play every day and for a while. But yeah, it's like, it's like, sort of like a location, but not as intense as a location either, right? But you just have like more people playing.
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    Is this something someone should do to make money? God, no. No. No, this is a passion project. This is like this. And I hope that this podcast doesn't come across as like we're complaining about any of this because like we signed up to do this and like this was never meant to be. It's meant to be a pinball collective, a community space, like a third space for our friends to come together and play pinball and hang out together. And we're doing it. Yeah. And we're totally doing it. And I think we went in eyes wide open of like, all right, maybe nobody shows up and we're on the hook for the rent. And we're we're personally on the hook for all of this because we're the ones who signed the lease. Like we knew that going into like we knew this going into it. So we're not complaining. I think we're just trying to show a little peek behind the curtain of what's going on. But absolutely not. Do not do this to make money because there is not a lot of money to be made in pinball. No, like I would almost say like any pinball, unless you're just solely an operator and you put machines in other people's busy businesses and you're very great at making relationships with people that have businesses that have a lot of foot traffic. And have a community. And have a community of players in that area. I think maybe some operators can make money playing pinball, but if your machines are being played enough to where you're making a profit, like you're working your ass off fixing them. Oh, gosh. So anybody that's like operating pinball machines that keeps their machines in good condition, they're doing it for the love of the hobby. Without a doubt. And if you're a motivator, if you're going to do a collective or if you're going to open an arcade, and if your motivation is anything other than like the love for the pinball hobby and community, if you're motivated by anything other than that, like you're going to fail probably. If you're doing it for, this is going to be my income, I'm going to have a pinball location or a pinball club, I'm going to have members pay dues and that's how I'm going to make my money. No. I don't care where you are, it won't work. If that's kind of your goal and objective and mission is to have it be for profit and you want to earn a living. I mean, it works for the electric bat.
    38:16
    So it works for like some supermassive arcades. Yeah, and their situation is also different, and I think they have different games, and they're open to the public, and they're open like... Yeah, and they're open 22 hours a day. Something crazy like that. And they work their asses off. Yeah. So yeah, you can do it for money, I guess, so we should say you can do it for money. But they're also a bar. And they're also a bar. So if you're doing it, we don't sell alcohol, we don't sell food. We don't sell anything. So if you do have like a popular bar or restaurant, your money is going to be made there. And the pinball is the attraction to get people there to give you money for booze or for food. Yeah. So would a pinball collective be a thing to do to make money? No. No, no, no, no, no. Where the only revenue is like just dues from your members. No. Like we were about breaking even with the other space.
    39:18
    But now that we've taken on the bombsite side, like we are way far from breaking even every month, which is fine. And we knew that. And we did, like you said earlier, we grabbed that space because we didn't want to risk like a different neighbor coming in there.
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    And put like right now we can't plan Tuesday nights and we can't play on Sunday mornings because we share it with the church next door on the other side. So I didn't want some other place coming into that side. Now you can't do Thursdays. Yeah. So we felt like we could afford to take the financial hit by just paying that part, the shortage. But yeah, it's not profitable. And the intent isn't for it to be profitable. No, the attend is what we talked about at the very beginning. We kept losing our spaces around here and we wanted to have a space that all of our friends across central Illinois could come and play and like build a community space for all of us. Yeah.
    40:28
    Yeah. And we went into it knowing like we want to come as close to breaking even as we can. Yeah. And if there's a gap between there and breaking even, like, we'll just cover that because we love to have it and we love to have this space to play. Yeah. And I think that is also like, clearly, we are not trying to make a profit. I feel like we've we've set up the two different levels of membership, I guess, three because there's a day pass also. But like these three levels of membership have been set up intentionally to make it accessible. Yeah. And I think a really good value for your entertainment dollar. Yeah. I mean, we probably should charge more, but like... Yeah, I feel like the keyholder member level is fine, but like a regular member at $30 a month can come basically anytime somebody with the key is there, which equates to usually like three to four times a week, you could come for several hours and play pinball for free. Mm-hmm. For $30 a month. So I think that's like the value is there. But even if you charge $50 a month, you would have fewer members. I want there to be as many members as possible because I want more players in the league, I want more players in the tournaments, I want more people to play. I know. That's what I mean. It's priced to be accessible to everyone. And if we were wealthy people, I would make it $10 a month. Right. You know? If we were just wealthy and it didn't matter. We're not. We're not wealthy. We both have good jobs and we make money, but we're not wealthy people. Mm-mm. And if I was wealthy, I would just either... There would be a fee just because I want there to be a fee, but it wouldn't be to make any money. I don't want to deal with the general public, where you have people, and I don't want to serve alcohol, where you have people wasted beating up on the games and you have groups that come in with 12 different kids running around smacking on your flippers. I just don't want to deal with any of that. So it would always be a membership, like a paid membership. Yeah, but that's probably not going to happen. Yeah, that won't happen. But if we ever became wealthy, I would reduce the, I would lower that monthly fee. Because why not? Yeah. I want more people to play. And if I lowered it to 20, if it meant twice as many people would join, okay, let's do 20. Yep. But right now, if we lowered it to 20, like we can't afford, kind of stretching it to afford the second space anyway.
    43:18
    So. Yeah. It's fine. Okay. We're on to the machines. What machine has been the most popular? I don't know the numbers, but I would have to say FALL OF THE EMPIRE. It's like far and away FALL OF THE EMPIRE. It gets the dirtiest the quickest. Mm-hmm. That's how I know, like how often do I have to clean each one. Mm-hmm. And I've cleaned FALL OF THE EMPIRE like five times in the last two or three months. Oh my gosh. And a lot of the other ones I only have to clean once every couple months. I feel like someone's always on that game. In Fall of the Empire, it's like I just cleaned it about a week ago and it's like dirty again already. I have some rubbers on there I need to change. I think that's part of why some of the post rubbers are kind of like exploding. Yeah. I think that's helping make it dirtier quicker. So I need to change some post rubbers on that. Yeah, I feel like that one, what would you say is number two? Number two is tougher. For a while it was definitely The Walking Dead Remastered. But I don't know if we could see the numbers from this month. I don't think The Walking Dead would have been number two. I also wonder, since we have the new space, moving the games around differently, how that's impacted the plays. There's like Walking Dead's in the new room by some other really great games. Kevin's Metallica's in there. Foo Fighters is over there. Mm-hmm. Zeppelin, Bond. Like there's some banger games all over there. But I don't feel like there's as many people playing in that room yet. I think it's because the new space, people still come in through the old space. So that's the familiar... Like when I come here, this is where I go. Mm-hmm. And then you go through the doorway. It's new and different. And so I do think the main room still gets more play. And right now in the new space, we have like kind of a row of machines that we're working on. I might want to reconfigure that in some way. Yeah. I don't love that, but I don't know if there's a way to fit as many with a different layout. We'll figure it out. Because the new room, the new space is way nicer and it sounds better in there, but I think the way the machines are laid out is not as inviting to make you want to play. Well, we can do whatever. And for those of you who are like, I want to see this place, we're going to do a video. We've just been waiting to kind of get things settled a little bit. But you know what? Fuck it. We should just maybe next weekend or something, we should do a video. And it'll be fun to see how it changes. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay. I'm looking for more questions. I wrote a whole bunch down just trying to find a good one. Would you do it again? Yes. Me too. Yeah. Like, totally. And I don't know if I would do much different. I don't think like if we could start over, would you do anything differently? I don't think so. I mean, I don't have any regrets. I'm having like, I feel like for me, the KPI on it is like, are we having fun? And we having fun Yeah Right It been a ton of fun What would make you tell someone don do it I would say if you don have a village already don do it I agree with that. You need a village. Yeah, like the two things like we talked about, if you're doing it because if you need it to make a profit, don't do it. Don't do it. And if you don't already have a core group of people that you're friends with or at least like plays with all the time, if you don't have a core group where you have at least a handful of them interested and then you're just going to say, I'll build it and they'll come, then I would say don't do it. Yeah, I was going to say this is not Field of Dreams. No. I think that's what we've learned. And we haven't, again, really super promoted it, but I did kind of think there would be more members, like a few more members. Uh-huh. And I thought that maybe there would be a little bit more word of mouth. Uh-huh. There's some. Yeah. There's definitely some. Yeah. And we've met some new friends we didn't know. Rob Carroll, we didn't know Rob. Yeah. Kayla and Sarah, we didn't know them. No, Steve. Steve didn't know them. There's a whole group of people we didn't know before this. So I got to cut us a little slack there. I think maybe my expectations were just out of whack. Yeah. We've met lots of new people. They've been super awesome, super supportive, contributors, and it takes the whole group. So I take back what I said earlier. We have found more people. I guess I just thought there would be like maybe 20 more. Yeah, I think I'd have to look at the numbers. Like I think we have just under 40 members. Just thinking about the list in my head. And I thought we would have somewhere between 50 to 60. Which I think is the perfect amount. Like I don't really... You don't want a lot more. No, because there's something around like that 50-60 is like a magical number where everybody knows everybody. If you get much bigger than that, it can get weird. So I don't want it to be this big thing. No, I would not want to have 200 members. I think I would put a cap on it. I haven't even crunched the numbers on how many we need to break even with the new deal because we're not doing this for a business. Because we're not Joe and Shelley, they'd have the numbers crunched. Joe and Shelley would have the numbers crunched. We're not them. And we're not doing this for a business, so it doesn't really matter. But whatever the number is to break even and give you a little buffer to pay for snow removal, I would then just cap it and say we can't take any more. Yeah.
    49:54
    You still get a lot of people to come and play during your open play and stuff. Or like your your monthly is in the monthly tournaments. I don't know if I'd cap it, but I don't want there to be 200 members. No, I do not. Or 160 members. No, 50 to 60 is it. Because that way, I mean, most, not all of our members play in our league, but most do. And then we and then a lot of them come on Mondays and they come to our monthly tournaments. So there's all these people that we see two or three times a week. And now it's like they're your family.
    50:32
    I see them more than I see my parents, more than you see your parents. So it's kind of like your extended family. And if you had 150, there's no way you're going to be able to keep track of that many people in that way. So I like kind of the close knit, how close knit like the relationships get. Totally. You know, you get to hear everybody venting about their jobs and like what's going on. So that part, I think you would lose that if it grew to 150, 200 members, you'd lose a lot of that. And there'd be a lot of people in there that like, you don't even really know them. Yeah. And a big part, we like to know all the people. Yeah, it's a really nice group of people who are social and friendly and yeah. Yeah, no, we just need a few more. Just need a few more. Ideally, we would just have a few more sign up that want to be like key holders because that's a higher rate and they have put a machine in. We have room for more machines now. Yeah. I'd like to get to about like 50-ish machines. And if we had two or three more people that had keys, it could be open a little more often. Like maybe somebody with the key wanted to be like, I'll be here every Wednesday. Yeah. Cool. Well, we're all figuring it out together too. Yeah. Let's see. What's still missing from the club that you'd love to add? Hmm. Oh, I know. It's streaming. Streaming, yes. Yeah, like last night I was talking to Mike Ravelli about that and he was saying like, you just can't do it all. And he was, yeah, but how fun streaming can be and how it's like streaming and social media, like it takes more time than anybody realizes. Like those influencers we all like to like laugh at, like that's a hard job. It takes a lot of work to do that stuff. It looks easy because they're just posting stuff, but like same thing with streaming. Like to do it right, you need not only the gear, but you also need to be, I think, like in some kind of engagement with the people who are viewing. And you need someone to be sparking conversation in the chat. And like that's a thing in itself. And I would love to do that. And again, like going back to like, we're not good for asking for help. It would be awesome if someone else wanted to kind of be the leader of that because it's it's that's like a it's a job. It's a to do in itself. Streaming is huge. And I would say social media, aside from like creating and growing this Facebook group, like for social media for the HQ, If you do, I would grade us an F. Oh, God. Totally. Our social media sucks. We don't even have a page dedicated to the HQ. I don't know that we need one. We have a website. I thought you made one. No. Oh. No, I said you would have to make it. Oh, I was thinking on the website. Sorry. We have a website with a page about it. Yeah, I just... We don't have... We suck at Instagram. We suck at doing regular social posts. Yeah, we suck. It's an F. If you're grading us, social media marketing for the Punk Rock Pinball HQ, F. Thumbs down. Terrible, terrible job. It takes two, I know how I would want it to be, but neither of us have the time to do that because it needs to be good.
    54:20
    It needs to be entertaining and engaging in some way. Otherwise, I think it's just junk. Yeah. And so, therefore, we just don't really post very much like we do this podcast. And that's kind of it. And then we post about the tournament. You know what we need? Yesterday when I went to the Dutch Bros Coffee to get my iced coffee on the way to HQ, there are all these young, like probably college age gals. We need one of them to come to PRP thing and join and be our social media manager. Yeah, because we suck at social media. I'm not just going to. Yeah, we do.
    54:54
    I think we do a good job in a lot of elements of running this thing. Social media, F. Yeah, total F. You suck. Other things missing. Lighting isn't where I want it to be yet. Yeah, lighting sucks. Lighting doesn't suck, but it's not the best. The lighting, especially in the main room, that lighting is almost perfect. Okay. I think. It's almost the perfect amount of light. It could maybe be slightly brighter, but it's damn near perfect. In the other room, we need more light. I think we should get some of those, like... Yeah, the LED strip things. Yeah. So lighting and then we also need a couple Keith Elwin games because there are none. That is insane. None Keith Elwin machines at the PRPHQ. What the hell? What are we doing? Yeah. What are we doing? There needs to be a King Kong in there. There needs to be a Jaws in there. I'm not taking this though. Steph won't take this one. I said the other day I could, I'd be okay if we took that one. That's not mine. We need some Keith Elwin. We're missing Keith Elwin. What the hell? Yeah, we do. Are we doing? What are we doing? So we don't really have any pinball buying money right now. So it's not going to be us that puts the first Keith Elwin in. I don't think we don't have any money to buy any machines. Well, that's a 2026, the back half of 2026 problem to solve. Yeah, we need Dr. Gregg to maybe step up, get a Keefe Elwin. Oh my gosh, last night... Lucas maybe grabs Godzilla. Maybe. His wife likes it. His wife loves it. He would be the hero. Uh huh. Hero of the club. A lot of people love having Godzilla in there. Yeah. I don't know if Lucas listens. Well, I'll tell him. Somebody tell Lucas. Last night at the club, our friend Lily came down from Chicago. A couple of friends came from Northern Illinois. I don't know who noticed this, this secret little... The secret door? The secret door. Did you know about it? Yeah, somebody else pointed it out to me a few weeks back. And there's this weird little door up near the ceiling and she wanted to go in it so bad. And I'm like, not tonight. And she's like, do you have a ladder? Because she asked me, do you have a ladder? And I was like, yeah. And she's like, great. Can I go up in that door? And I was like, what door are you talking about? No, no, no, no. We're not like, it's too high up. And that makes me way too nervous. Uh-huh. But I did tell her that she's like, can we do like the, um, like an Al Capone's vault thing? I'm like, maybe. Yes. We can do that eventually. So when we do the tour, we'll take a picture of the weird door. The door. Yeah. I don't know what's in there. It's way high up. I don't know how tall those walls are. It's like at least 15 feet or 20 feet? Yeah, I was going to say like 18 feet maybe. And there's a door up there. There's a door up there. Where does it go? I don't know, but you know, Abraham Lincoln on his way to his final resting place in Springfield, Illinois, he did stop at this building. It's a historical landmark because of it, like many things in Illinois. There could be some Lincoln artifacts up there. There might be. Don't know. I don't know. The mystery door. Yeah, there could be this little person that lives in there. Don't know. That might be where Rudy from Funhaus goes at night. Rudy might go in there. That might be his secret lair where he keeps all of his stuff. Maybe he's bringing the bones in there. So I don't know if outdoors if there's a way to get to the roof, because maybe that door you could go out to the roof and down. Because there's no ladder or stairs. If there's a person living in there, they'd have to have a different way in and out. We'll put Lily with a GoPro on her head and send her in there. Uh-huh. Oh my gosh.
    58:48
    Okay, anything else before we wrap it up? No, that's about an hour of talking about this HQ. Well, I just want to thank all the people that wrote in with the last week's secret password. I don't think I'm going to have a secret password this week, but I am going to be dropping these things in the mail, I think. I've got to get some stamps. All right. I think if I put double stamps on it, it'll probably work. It's probably fine. Hopefully. It should get there. Oh, the last question was like, was it worth it to do the Pinball Collective? Do you have what it takes? Was it worth it? Yeah. Yes. Totally. I'd do it again. 100%. I would do it again. I don't think I would change almost anything about what we did. I can't think of something that I would change.
    59:41
    No, I would do it again. I would do it again, like almost the exact same way. Because the challenges that we have, like I knew would be challenges and we still haven't figured out all of them. So maybe a year from now we would be like, oh, no, this is what you needed to do to have more members or this is what, you know. Yeah, it's still very early. Yeah. I think I just have high expectations. Yeah. It's a me problem. We get way excited about pinball, so we, and not every, because part of it is probably like not everyone has the same enthusiasm about pinball as you think they do. Yeah, like people are into other things too. People are into other things. I know, I haven't done any of my other things. Uh-uh, me neither.
    60:27
    Like I have a room of other things upstairs. Uh-huh. And I do want to do those, but like... Yeah, it's like pinball is kind of all-consuming. And like other people, maybe it's maybe not even in their top three things. And yeah, they do show up at a lot of tournaments, but like it's not like their main thing. So that's why if they live in Champaign or Peoria, they're not a member because it's like, yeah, pinball is like the third thing that I like to do. Yeah, that's totally fair. Mm-hmm. Like I said, I have high expectations. Yeah. It's my own problem. It's a me problem. Yeah, we're a little bit insane about it. It's okay. Yeah. It's all right. All right. So we have a busy week after this coming up weekend. We have the Silver Ball Super Social at the Pinball Capital. That's the weekend after the next. Yeah. That's what I said. And I wonder if we're going to see anybody there. I don't know. Will we see you? Are you going to be there? Probably some of you. I want to know who. Who's it going to be? Who are we going to see? I know Tiffany's going to be there. Cool. Who's going to beat me at pinball? I'm going to probably suck. Yeah, well, me too. Probably going to be like 150 people beat me at pinball. Will you be one? Because there's only 150 people? I don't know how many are in it. I think it is 150. Well, I'm not going to get last, I don't think. You never know. So probably 120 people are going to beat me at pinball. Will you be among them? I don't know. It's going to be fun though. It's going to be fun. So it's going to be a busy week. We've got to get ready to go over to Poet Bros. Yeah. Got to go host a tournament. Oh, and thank you for watching. Toodaloo. And listening. Toodaloo. Bye.
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    Thank you.