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Roger Sharpe discusses pinball licensing evolution, negotiation tactics, and modern market challenges.
Roger Sharpe has attended licensing shows since 1987 and has worked with virtually every major studio, agent, and manager in the entertainment industry.
high confidence · Roger Sharpe, directly stating his experience attending first licensing show in 1987 and working across video games, slot machines, and digital platforms.
Modern licensing negotiations are more complex due to requirements for likeness rates, talent, audio, and video assets compared to the dot matrix era.
high confidence · Roger Sharpe explaining that LCD screens require footage, likeness rates, and talent approvals whereas dot matrix displays allowed simpler graphics.
Production volumes for modern pinball are far lower than the Williams Valley era (10,000-15,000 units average) which affects licensing negotiations.
high confidence · Roger Sharpe noting average run at Williams Valley was 10-15,000 machines, contrasted with modern production levels 'far less than they used to be.'
Arnold Schwarzenegger personally recorded all speech calls for the Terminator 2 pinball machine and video game after rejecting sound-alike voice actors.
high confidence · Roger Sharpe directly recounting that Schwarzenegger hated the sound-alikes and insisted on recording himself.
An unnamed recent game obtained video assets but not audio assets due to actor contract limitations and ADR/looping session approval requirements.
high confidence · Roger Sharpe describing a recent unnamed game with incomplete audio licensing due to talent approval issues.
Bally's 8-Ball game featured unauthorized use of Happy Days characters (Fonz, Pinky Tuscadero, Henry Winkler) and required a settlement with the rights holders.
medium confidence · Roger Sharpe discussing Bally's 8-Ball and mentioning a settlement, though he states 'I forget what the settlement was.'
Space Invaders pinball led to a financial settlement when the studio came after Bally over the use of the alien character.
medium confidence · Roger Sharpe mentioning Space Invaders settlement without providing specific details.
“I will only accept no's on two conditions when I'm negotiating for anything. One is that the financials are just incomprehensible and don't make sense... The other is if there is a notion and a belief that the marketplace is different than what it actually is.”
Roger Sharpe @ ~13:40 — Core philosophy defining his licensing negotiation approach and willingness to educate licensors.
“The biggest thing is trying to gain trust with folks... overcoming the stigma of what a coin-operated amusement game is, specifically a pinball machine, and that we're not out there trying to totally destroy young minds and hearts.”
Roger Sharpe @ ~12:00 — Reveals foundational challenge in pinball licensing: changing perceptions of the medium itself.
“You have to be really, really careful... I actually stepped in to rescue this person and to settle everything with the studio so that they could come up with a reasonable settlement.”
Roger Sharpe @ ~22:15 — Illustrates legal and financial risks of unlicensed IP use in pinball, and Sharpe's role as industry fixer.
“I think that what winds up happening now versus back in prehistory... you could bury a bad game without destroying your company. Now the risk is such that so many of the companies are relying on a single theme, a single property.”
Roger Sharpe @ ~28:00 — Explains fundamental business model difference between era-of-Sharpe and modern pinball manufacturers.
“For pinball, it's not necessarily money. It's ego, vanity. It is a desire because they have a thing for pinball. Wouldn't it be neat and kind of cool to be part of that?”
Roger Sharpe @ ~32:15 — Key insight into why modern entertainment properties are willing to license for pinball despite lower financial returns.
“Do you know instinctively what is going to be an easier or hard license to get just by somebody saying, I want this particular license? Yeah, pretty much... There isn't anybody that I have not worked with or anybody that I can't get to.”
Roger Sharpe @ ~15:45 — Demonstrates decades of relationship-building and market knowledge as competitive advantage in licensing.
industry_signal: Modern pinball licensing is significantly more complex than the 1980s-90s era due to technical requirements (video assets, likeness rates, ADR sessions) and lower production volumes reducing financial justification for licensors.
high · Roger Sharpe contrasts dot matrix era (simple graphics) with LCD era (requiring footage, likeness rates, talent, audio, video) and notes production run decline from 10-15k units to much lower volumes.
market_signal: Entertainment properties now license pinball primarily for ego/vanity/passion rather than guaranteed revenue, reflecting pinball's reduced cultural prominence and market size compared to video game or slot machine licensing.
high · Roger Sharpe: 'For pinball, it's not necessarily money. It's ego, vanity... versus some other properties that I work with... it is the money. It is working with a seven or eight-figure guarantee.'
design_philosophy: Modern pinball manufacturers balance evergreen properties with contemporarily-timed IP, with Stern taking calculated risks on newer franchises tied to established brands (e.g., Mandalorian as Star Wars derivative, Stranger Things as niche cult property).
high · Roger Sharpe discussing Stern's strategy: 'look at content that is seemingly evergreen. And you hope that you can salt and pepper that with content that is more contemporarily timed.'
business_signal: Modern pinball manufacturers rely on single-property success for profitability, unlike the era when companies could absorb failures across larger production volumes. This concentrates risk on individual IP selections.
high · Roger Sharpe: 'now the risk is such that so many of the companies are relying on a single theme, a single property... each one needs to stand on its own merits.'
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Roger Sharpe personally intervened to settle a licensing dispute where an unnamed company falsely claimed to have a license and faced potential jail time and asset seizure.
medium confidence · Roger Sharpe stating he 'stepped in to rescue this person' after studio threatened to throw them in jail and take assets.
Modern licensors are less interested in pinball than legacy media due to pinball's reduced cultural prominence and smaller audience, making ego and vanity primary motivators rather than guaranteed revenue.
high confidence · Roger Sharpe contrasting pinball licensing (ego, vanity, passion) with other licensing categories requiring 'seven or eight-figure guarantees.'
Approximately 90% plus of all licensed pinball themes from the late 1980s through 1990s were either acquired or turned down by Roger Sharpe.
medium confidence · Roger Sharpe's direct statement: 'probably about 90% plus of all the license themes going back to the late 80s and through to the 90s, I either had a chance to do and got them or I turned them down.'
“I turned down American Gladiators. In retrospect, I probably should have gone with American Gladiators.”
Roger Sharpe @ ~26:30 — Admission of misjudgment in licensing strategy and acknowledgment that even expert intuition is fallible.
“Mandalorian obviously comes on board because it's an adjunct to Star Wars. So it's a derivative. So it's not totally and completely unknown.”
Roger Sharpe @ ~25:00 — Explains Stern's rationale for taking risks on newer IP tied to established franchises.
regulatory_signal: IP holders aggressively pursue unlicensed pinball use, with potential consequences including cease-and-desist, financial settlement, and personal legal liability (potential jail time and asset seizure mentioned).
high · Roger Sharpe recounting unnamed case where 'studio came after them and basically were going to throw them in jail and take all of their assets' due to false licensing claim.
personnel_signal: Roger Sharpe's 30+ year tenure as primary licensing expert gives him unique access and negotiating power across studios, agents, and managers that new licensees cannot replicate.
high · Roger Sharpe: 'There isn't anybody that I have not worked with or anybody that I can't get to' and noting relationships/contacts have remained 'continual' since 1987.
community_signal: Roger Sharpe appears on Final Round Pinball Podcast for first time ever on any podcast in extended period, representing significant community engagement and potential shift in his public visibility.
high · Hosts explicitly state: 'for the first time ever on any podcast anywhere' and 'It's been a while since I've spoken to you' and 'It's been a while' since last contact.
content_signal: Final Round Pinball Podcast operates under Pinball Network platform, indicating content distribution and possibly sponsorship relationships with Stern/other manufacturers.
medium · Opening: 'The Pinball Network is online. Launching final round pinball podcast.' Roger congratulates 'Spooky Pinball, to the Emery family, on the sellouts of those games.'
product_strategy: Spooky Pinball's smaller production runs allow for non-mainstream IP selection (Halloween, Ultraman) that would not work for mass-production manufacturers like Stern, validating niche IP approach.
high · Roger Sharpe: 'for the Spooky model, where they have a smaller run, and they did sell them out, it's a perfect IP... that doesn't mean it will sell a lot. So it really depends on the business model.'
historical_signal: Even experienced licensing professionals make strategic errors in IP selection, with Roger Sharpe acknowledging he turned down American Gladiators (in retrospect should have pursued) and The Shadow.
high · Roger Sharpe: 'I turned down American Gladiators. In retrospect, I probably should have gone with American Gladiators. And there were other things like that. Giant Demonic... The Shadow... sometimes you falter.'
design_innovation: Licensees can negotiate reduced asset requirements (e.g., 4 songs vs. 24-song soundtrack) by clearly articulating must-have vs. nice-to-have vs. minimal requirements to licensor.
medium · Roger Sharpe advising: 'it is incumbent upon the potential licensee to articulate... What is it that you absolutely need? What are the things that would be nice to have but not necessary? And minimally, what can you get away with?'