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Triple Drain Pinball Podcast Ep 49: TPF Prep 2024!

Triple Drain Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 40m·analyzed·Mar 13, 2024
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TL;DR

Jaws LE review + debate on LCD screens vs pure flipper gameplay ahead of TPF.

Summary

Triple Drain hosts discuss their recent experiences with Jaws Limited Edition, highlighting its mini playfield design and kinetic satisfaction, while exploring broader themes about LCD screens in modern pinball, casual vs. enthusiast play styles, and anticipation for the Texas Pinball Festival. The conversation reveals design philosophy differences: some players prioritize continuous flipper engagement and shot flow over story/animation sequences.

Key Claims

  • Jaws LE mini playfield can cause ball-eating issues during multiball, potentially problematic for tournament play on location machines

    medium confidence · Travis reports shark mechanism eating balls during multiball; suggests virtual option for tournament locations

  • Jaws LE features speaker lights with RGB capability that syncs to playfield lighting, designed by Dan at Penwoofer and coming to MuselMods in a few weeks

    high confidence · Joel demonstrates working speaker light kit on his setup, confirms upcoming availability

  • Pulp Fiction audio design by David Thiel has minimal sound clip repetition across extensive gameplay, maintaining audio engagement without annoyance

    medium confidence · Joel reports 2-hour stream with diverse sound clips; praises audio balance and music implementation

  • Modern pinball players increasingly skip or minimize LCD screen engagement, preferring continuous flipper action over story sequences

    medium confidence · Multiple hosts report player feedback about LCD animations interrupting gameplay flow; brother-in-law complaint about Jaws uppost sequences

  • Jaws premium and LE run the same code, meaning speaker light functionality technically could be added to premium but hosts hope it remains LE exclusive

    high confidence · Joel discusses technical requirements for retrofitting speaker lights to premium (metal frame, bigger speaker, light ring, node board)

  • Keith Elwin's Jaws lookout tower shot (upper playfield ramp sequence) is highlighted as one of the most kinetically satisfying shots in recent pinball design

    high confidence · Travis and Joel extensively detail the shot mechanics and express genuine excitement; describes immediate emotional reaction

  • Games like Attack from Mars, Medieval Madness, Foo Fighters, and Elton John appeal to casual players due to accessible shot layouts and immediate kinetic feedback

    medium confidence · Hosts discuss what games provide 'just flip without thinking' experience; consensus on wide-open shot design

Notable Quotes

  • “That lookout tower shot on the upper play field... holy fuck, this shot is amazing. Like I just stopped what I was doing. I didn't even finish my game or my ball.”

    Travis @ early gameplay discussion — Expresses genuine emotional reaction to kinetic design element; establishes shot as standout feature

  • “I literally texted Tom and I said, holy fuck, this shot is amazing... Because you've seen it, but when you talk about kinetic satisfaction. That's what I'm talking about.”

    Travis @ lookout tower discussion — Emphasizes immediate, visceral appeal of mini playfield mechanics over complex rulesets

  • “My concern is I noticed that this was happening a lot whenever I was in multi-ball. And then, of course, so if you're playing a premium or an LE on location somewhere in a tournament, it's highly likely a ball will get stuck there during multi-ball.”

    Travis @ shark issue discussion — Identifies potential mechanical problem with location/tournament implications

  • “I don't care about tying a knot. I don't care about starting to like, he's just like, I just want to keep flipping, you know? And so he's sitting there just banging on, like, come on, skip and trying to skip the animations.”

    Travis (reporting brother-in-law feedback) @ LCD screen discussion — Demonstrates tension between cinematic design goals and player desires for uninterrupted flipper time

  • “I do not feel like I would enjoy this game anymore if I was seeing video clips of the actors instead of just hearing them. I don't think I would. It's not needed.”

    Joel @ Pulp Fiction LCD discussion — States preference for audio-first design; suggests LCD screens may detract from engagement

  • “The audio engineer of Pulp Fiction, David Thiel, crushed it on this game... I don't know if I ever heard the same sound clip more than once it was far from annoying.”

    Joel @ Pulp Fiction audio analysis — Credits specific designer; establishes audio as primary draw of modern game

  • “Everything you shoot. Yeah. If you make a shot. Yeah. That's the cool part about it. If you successfully make a shot, it's leaving the play field.”

Entities

JawsgameKeith ElwinpersonTravispersonTompersonJoelpersonElizabeth GieskepersonDan (Penwoofer)personDavid Thielperson

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Emergence of 'pinball enthusiast' as distinct category from casual/tournament players; describes modding-focused, mid-skill engagement

    medium · Travis reports local collector friend advocating for terminology shift; describes player segment between casual and competitive

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Jaws mini playfield mechanics designed to avoid ball stalls; immediate exit on all shots (successful or bricked) maintains rapid play pace

    high · Tom confirms 'if you successfully make a shot, it's leaving the play field'; explicit design philosophy

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Initial visual impression of Jaws left-side orbit shot as uninspired; later gameplay revealed sophisticated shot complexity beneath initial appearance

    medium · Travis initially criticized left-side playfield as 'lame'; later praised same shot after experiencing mini flipper routing

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Emerging player preference for continuous flipper engagement over cinematic LCD sequences, even on recently released premium games

    high · Multiple guest/player feedback examples; host analysis of why animations become annoying after initial novelty

  • $

    market_signal: Jaws sales 'doing pretty well'; referenced in context of year-end bonus discussions

    low · Passing remark about being thankful Jaws released due to sales performance

  • ?

Transcript

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the pinball network is online launching triple drain pinball podcast tom wake up so busy weekend guys it's episode 49 49 we're one episode away from 50 it's almost my age yeah i don't know your age so i'm just i don't know if you're high low i don't know where you are but you don't look a day over 26 so thank you um yeah episode 49 this is going to be a little bit of catch-up it's been a month it's been a month uh so this should be good uh travis's camera's already died once um and uh it's fine it'll happen again it'll happen again but um but tom you feeling good you ready you ready to go i think so great i'm good travis you feeling good you ready to go i know i am joel oh okay here we go We, we, we're three guys who like to talk and ball. So we came up with the class, our name. We're Joel and Travis, Tom and Tom and Paul. And we call ourselves Triple Drain, Triple Drain, Triple Drain. We're Triple, Triple Drain. We are here, we are here. This episode's either going to be great for everybody or very awkward because we're all going to be looking at the camera. That's how you're starting this out. It's going to be great. It's going to be awkward. So we all have – I just want to give a huge shout-out to our Patreon supporters. With that, I was able to get a – I was able to get an El Gato prompter. So I'm staring at the camera just like Travis, just like Tom. So I don't know if this is weird or if it's really enjoy. I don't know if you love it. But for the video listeners, you're welcome. I don't know. Hopefully this is cool. for the audio people, it's going to be the exact same for you. Yeah. So thank you to all the people that support us on patron. Very much appreciate that. We have a lot to cover tonight. We have a lot to cover. But before we, the main thing is just TPF. What are we excited about with TPF? And before we get to that, I just, there's two subjects I want to cover, which is the latest games we've been playing Tom right behind you is a Jaws Ellie. Last time we talked, the Ellie, the le's were not out yet and i know i had played a pro and i think you had played like two games on a pro and travis had played a pro so i'm very curious to hear now that you've had jaws le for a few weeks now initial impressions because you've owned every other keith elwyn game so how you feeling about this where does it stack up you know initial thoughts uh it's freaking awesome i mean i just no honestly i i love the game uh i i like the i like the features of the le better than the pro okay specifically what the shark that comes out of the play field yeah that you have to bash yeah and the mini play field so i have not experienced either and the drop targets oh i will say on the pro i think they've done a good job with lights trying to show what you've hit or what you haven't but it's pretty hard to mess up a drop target it's pretty clear what you've hit and what you haven't and whether or not you need to do it again or so i i think the drops are key but i know um talking to elizabeth gieske on some of the code stuff, she always comes back to like, I think this is better. I think this is easier to do on a premium because apparently the real, the real in the upper on the upper boat, like helps. There's like, what is it real awards or there's, there's something else there. Or I remember her saying something about when you go to catch a shark, that upper play field helps in some way. Travis is shaking his head. Like he knows what I'm talking about. What, what is that way? How is that helpful? you hit a shot that's lit up there and that helps you get the shark.

Pulp Fiction was designed to function without LCD screen, with rules communicated primarily through inserts and bottom score displays

low confidence · Joel reports he 'could have swore' hearing this before but acknowledges uncertainty about factual accuracy

Tom @ mini playfield discussion — Describes upper playfield exit design philosophy—no ball stalls, continuous action

  • “My buddy... said, one term you guys need to start using is pinball enthusiast... I don't care about like, he's like, I don't really care too much about whatever. Like he doesn't get crazy deep into code, but he, he's super into modding his game.”

    Travis @ community terminology discussion — Identifies emerging player category between casual and competitive; suggests need for nuanced terminology

    • Jackperson
    Steve Ritchieperson
    Mark Ritchieperson
    Josh Sharpperson
    Pulp Fictiongame
    Foo Fightersgame
    Elton Johngame
    Attack from Marsgame
    Medieval Madnessgame
    Iron Maidengame
    Guardians of the Galaxygame
    Texas Pinball Festival (TPF)event
    MuselModscompany
    Metallicagame
    Godzillagame

    product_strategy: Speaker light RGB kits for Jaws LE (Dan/Penwoofer design) emerging as valuable aftermarket customization

    high · Working prototype demonstrated; confirmed for MuselMods distribution

  • ?

    product_concern: Ball-eating shark mechanism on Jaws LE during multiball; potential tournament/location liability

    high · Travis reports repeated issues in multiball; recommends virtual option for tournament machines

  • ?

    product_strategy: Jaws speaker lights remain exclusive to LE variant; hosts express hope manufacturer maintains scarcity as selling point for future games

    medium · Joel speculates on technical requirements for premium retrofit; states preference for maintaining LE exclusivity

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Audio design now recognized as primary engagement driver over visual/cinematic elements in modern premium pinball

    medium · Joel's Pulp Fiction analysis emphasizes audio superiority; states LCD would diminish enjoyment; contrasts with past focus on video integration

    • 4:14
    So you just are saying, thanks for coming to my Ted talk. So you're just saying it's because there's more shots up there. Yeah. I mean, there's certain, yeah, it helps you in certain modes. There's just extra stuff to do up there. Cause you got your, was it your lookout tower or whatever it's called? That's by far one of the coolest shots I've ever seen in pinball. Just point blank. The first time I did it, and you, if you have kids around, I apologize, but this is how excited I was. I literally texted Tom and I said, holy fuck, this shot is amazing. Like I just stopped what I was doing. I didn't even finish my game or my ball. I just immediately was like, holy crap. Because you've seen it, but when you talk about kinetic satisfaction. Which shot? The lookout tower shot on the upper play field. I know, because you're a lowly peasant and you've only played the pro, you have no idea what we're talking about. On the upper play field, there's three shots. There's a stand up. there's a shot that leads to the ramp and then there's the real, the, there's actually, there's a ramp. Yeah. So let's Tom and I, we can kind of, and Tom's probably played this a lot more than I have. So he can dig into this more, but that upper play field, that mini play field, there's actually a lot to do up there. And there's a lot of different things because you have three different exit points, right? So if you don't use the upper flipper at all, it'll just sell right by and it'll come back out in the middle of the play field, right? You got some chaos that way. Or it sails directly across and then feeds the mini flipper, right? No, it just goes to the middle of the play field. It drops it back down. Just dribbles down. Right. Well, I wouldn't say it just dribbles down. It'll go into a slingshot depending on how your game's set up. Okay, okay. But you can also hold that mini flipper up and that'll make it skip or ski jump over onto a wire form. And that wire form is what will bring it back to the mini flipper. Okay. So if you do nothing, if you hit the wave ramp and don't react quickly or don't do anything. It will come back into the middle. It just drops down. So it's dangerous. You have to pay attention. You have to engage the flipper. Yeah. Okay. So you can either ski jump or you can hit, I guess you would just call it the Orca wheel, I guess. Okay. Or something like that, that spinner up there or that spinning wheel. So you could hit that. And what's cool, it does a mini figure eight real quick. And it goes back onto that same wire form we were just talking about that you could ski jump over. Okay. Or you can hit the ramp, and that's what will basically just shoot it back down a wire form, and then it'll do a reverse up the quick shot and multiply your lane. That's right, the left side. Yep. And then it'll come back and feed your left flipper. And that's the shot that I was just like, holy crap, this is amazing. And as soon as I did that, it legitimately sold me on. I'm going to get the premium at some point. It may not be this year, but at some point, I'm just like, I have to have this game in my collection. Just because of that single shot. Are sales too low? you're not going to get that Christmas bonus there.
    7:04
    Let's just say I'm thankful Jaws came out. It's been doing pretty well. Okay. So I know that far left shot, which is, we've talked about this before, even on the pro, you know, where it would like on an orbit. Normally I remember when I saw the reveal, I was like, well, that shot looks kind of lame. Like it just was straight. It just didn't, it just didn't seem, I, my initial impression of the shot was like, Keith couldn't do anything more creative with that area. Like it just, I wasn't impressed by it. And then once I had the game, how dare you talk about Keith? I know I was. It was a poor judgment. OK, all the messages. He even told Keith that. Yeah, I know. OK, so he was just like, wow, yeah, I could do better. I see you gave up on the left side of the play field. That's what I thought.
    7:47
    So so when you hit that, though, especially when you hit it with the mini flipper, the speed at which that thing does the 180 through a spinner and then rockets down at your left flipper and then you have to do you know the quick shot there's a whole bunch of stuff with that but you're saying now that you're feeding that with the upper flipper does that ramp actually add more speed to the ball because it's it's rolling around that ramp and then shooting up the play field and back down or is it a slower shot when it comes off that kind of ramp i don't i don't know i wouldn't say it's super fast and i wouldn't say it's slow either okay like it just feels like a naturally good shot. That's, you know, that's just pretty amazing, in my opinion, anyways. Just the way that it is, the way that it shoots, and the way that it fills, and I'm sure that there's other copies there that maybe that feed isn't perfect to the left flipper, because each copy is just its own unique little snowflake situation, but you know, on the copy that I have, though, the feed is perfect. Tom, what about you? What about that shot for you? I don't know. I'm looking at my color GI.
    8:50
    Uh-oh. He's just playing with his game right now. I was just messing around in the background. I don't think it's as bright as other games for some reason. Because I saw a premium at Lumberjack Johnny's, and I was like, wow, that looks a lot brighter than my game.
    9:06
    Anyways, go ahead and talk about what you were talking about. I'm admiring my Ellie. Well, I will. We asked you. Okay. So for all the listeners that tells Joel and I that we don't let Tom talk enough, we're trying to let Tom talk immediately.
    9:22
    He's like, yeah, normally I just sit there and maybe say four words. And now we're asking him a direct question. He's like, no, no, no. Talk amongst yourselves. I'm busy. I'm busy touching my LE. No comment. I know we're recording a podcast. If you had an LE right now, you'd be staring at a 2J. Yeah, that's true. This is Tom 2.0 right here. He's got the goatee, has over 1,000 viewers, watches a stream of Nationals and Pinmasters. He's like, I'm good. I don't need you to both of them. Fox City's success is going to his head. that's what you're saying I couldn't fit my head through the door yeah they need to make the doors bigger at District 82 not for the streaming rig good thing I had all those really good players there to record so the shot Tom do you like the shot the lookout tower shot yes yeah it's extremely cool like Travis was saying before it's just when you first hit it you're like did that just happen like it it just kind of comes down and then it it i don't know what do you call that like does a little loop do you spin 180 yeah it just does like a reverse 180 yeah it comes back it's like a roller coaster it's like a roller coaster effect yeah you think about where the actual ball if you track the ball path between the wave ramp the way it zips around there and then it kind of S's through the upper play field to slow the ball down and then whips around a ramp to then squiggle back. I mean, it's quite a quite a path. Oh, yeah. Ball's taking any fears of a mini play field are like completely gone on this game. I mean, your ball is not up there for more than five seconds. OK, because you basically have time to not react and the ball falls off or ski jump with the mini flipper and it's down. Or you have like one shot at a stand up the Orca wheel or that ramp. That's going to be the Escher challenge. Escher, how long can you keep that ball up on the mini play field? You can't. I mean, everything you shoot. Yeah. If you make a shot. Yeah. That's the cool part about it. If you successfully make a shot, it's leaving the play field. Like if you brick it, it's probably going to leave the play field too. You can kind of like slap the ball around a little bit, try to get control. But well, that's cool. I'm very much excited to play it at TPF.
    11:51
    I'm sensing this game is going to be a lot like Godzilla, where I borrowed a Godzilla Pro and had a lot of fun streaming it, just like I had a lot of fun streaming Jaws Pro. But I haven't placed an order for anything because I was like, I really need to experience the premium. I want to experience the premium. I want to see what it's all about, see if it's worth the additions. But everything I'm hearing it is. Um, you know, Tom, you watched all the stuff that we did. What, was there anything else about the LE that, that surprised you when you first played it, whether it was a shot or, you know, I don't know the speaker lights, are those amazing? Like what, anything like that surprised you that you weren't expecting? Oh yeah. The speaker lights are amazing. Um, no, nothing else. No, everything just met expectations. Cool. Well, cool. I didn't do this on purpose this was not a but if you look behind me my wall is on fire this is the speaker yeah this is Dan at Penwoofer figured out how to tap into those lights and so now I have that on the back wall which is pretty sick that kit will be on Muselmods in a few weeks so if anybody has the burning the flaming frames yeah go to Muselmods and you can extend that onto your wall and the floor of your game room It's pretty awesome. I'm, I'm, I'm waiting. I really hope that the speaker lights they put in jaws stern cells as a, as something you could add to the premium because the premium and LE run the same code. So the code's there. So it's, it's just, I'm guessing, um, you would just need this, the, the, the light kit ring. Well, actually now I think about it, the whole, the speakers in a premium are totally different. So it'd have to be a metal frame, a bigger speaker, a light ring, and a node board. I'm hopeful it just stays to the LE. It looks really cool, but I'm hopeful it just stays for that. Because that is a good selling point for future games to keep it there. But yeah, I mean, overall, seeing the LE in person, it's a beautiful pen. Like, no doubt. I didn't know how the white would work. White trim, powder coat, but it looks really good in person. Yeah. You're, you're modeling it. Well, Tom, I hope if you're, if you're listening to this in the car, stop it and go watch YouTube just to see Tom in front of us. I will say, I will say I do have one complaint about the game. Cause I don't want this to be all like roses, you know, rainbows and unicorns and butterflies and everything. I'm sure Tom might've experienced the same thing. I'm sure other listeners have experienced this. I am dealing with issues with the shark, with the ball going with the shark. Oh, So it does eat the ball. Kind of. But the thing that's happening is it's not really, to me personally, if you're just playing the game at home, it's not a big deal, right? You lose a ball, ball searches, it comes back. My concern is I noticed that this was happening a lot whenever I was in multi-ball. And then, of course, so if you're playing a premium or an LE on location somewhere in a tournament, it's highly likely a ball will get stuck there during multi-ball. It's a dirty pool, man. Yeah. Is there any? I'm wondering. I don't know if it's even possible to do anything with that. But I know that happened to me a couple of times when I was playing. I realized that the ball was gone. And then it dawned on me, wait, the shark's gone, too. What's going on here? And that counts. You technically would need to cradle up and hold your hand up. Technically, you would have to. Yeah. Because you're not allowed to store a ball, right? Like, you're not allowed to. Under most circumstances. Some, it's okay. Like Attack from Mars, that's okay. Spider-Man, not okay. I imagine Jaws, probably not okay. Well, is there any virtual? That's just something to be aware of. Is there any, I'm assuming there's virtual options for the shark because they would just treat it like a pro. I would assume so. I would think, like I said, a home user, not a big deal, right? Just is what it is. Ball will come back out. Not a big deal. But on location, I would think the thing you would want to do is probably have it be virtual for that reason. and just leave the ball for a tournament for a tournament for yeah just yeah somebody put some quarters in shark eats their ball that's fine and everybody's happy right i think i mentioned on the last episode skill move but my wife my wife played jaws when i had it and she did it by herself she had gone down there she just came up and was like that's that's one of the best pinball machines you ever play you ever had and what blew her away was the fin the fin and that whole moment of shoot it now now she was she thought that was the coolest thing so if i do get the premium to stream i'm not going to tell her about the shark so i want to see if like the shark popping up gives her a similar you know surprise or satisfaction and that kind of mech um i do know shark is cool but i will tell you joel and i can't speak for tom i'd be curious what tom's opinion is i will say that the shark coming up is probably maybe three or four down the line for me for what the cool parts are to this as a premium. Because the upper play field, I'm shocked at how good that upper play field actually is. I didn't know how I would like it, but I was thoroughly enjoying it. I was just like, oh my God, this is actually a lot of fun. And then the fin target, of course, that the pros have, that's just fun to do. And the quick shot, that's a fun shot as well. So there's just a lot of kinetically satisfying options for this game. And when you add the upper play field on, my God, the combos that you can do and that you can pull off, that's what makes the game fun. You don't even have to know the ruleset. You just watch the ball just whip around everywhere. To me, that's fun. That's what makes pinball fun. When we talk about pinball moments, you're making that happen. That's pretty cool. So that actually leads me to two questions. One, this is kind of a side tangent, but a local collector where I'm in a group of a few of us that we're all live within about 20 minutes of each other's house. And we all arranged different skill levels, different sizes of, of game rooms. You know, what, one thing, different types of golf carts. So, so one of them, my buddy actually reached out to me when we were talking about our conversation a few weeks ago about like casuals versus this. And he said, one term you guys need to start using is pinball enthusiast. He goes, I don't care about like, he's like, I don't really care too much about whatever. Like he doesn't get crazy deep into code, but he, he's super into modding his game. He's just an enthusiast. He doesn't, so he's not a casual, but he's not a tournament player. He's not an expert player. He's not, it's just like, he just calls himself an enthusiast. I think that's cool. So you have him, that guy, very large collection, loves modding his games.
    18:48
    But, oh, I'm an enthusiast. Everybody's an enthusiast. Yeah. Like literally everybody. If you're watching this, listening to this, or you, you play pinball. Yeah. You're an enthusiast. so but we're we're kind of asking each other we're like what's the goal what's the goal of your game room and one of my friends basically said when he reviews games or looks at games he's one of these guys he just puts a ton of games on his machines he's not necessarily an incredibly good player or bad it's just it's just like go go go he came over to my house to play jaws and he probably in an hour it's time put like 10 or 15 games on it he's just blowing through it And you can tell the main thing for him is just the way the shots feel. And that's why he's like, I play every day before work. I play home as soon as I get home from work. And sometimes I just don't even want to think about the game. I just want to flip. So it made me think, and maybe this is a question for you guys and listeners, if you watch this on YouTube, you know, say your thought. But what game do you think would be the best game to just step up to and not have to think at all, but just immediately get satisfaction by just flipping the ball around? Like, so I'm trying to think of games that combo well or just flow well, maybe not like.
    20:05
    I mean, you're you're answering why a lot of people like Attack from Mars and Medieval Madness. OK, this is precisely why, because those shots are accessible. You see the ball move and then you happen to hit it up the middle. You'll see something else happen. That's what makes those games super popular with everybody for that very reason, because the shots are wide open, because they're very accessible.
    20:28
    So I was thinking of like that kinetic satisfaction normally comes when you hit shots, right? So what games feed, you know, are somewhat safe or feed your flippers or combo well. And I was trying to think of the games that I've borrowed in the last few years. Like Foo Fighters comes to mind. That game, a lot of the shots feed flippers. And the way that Jack designed that game to be able to figure eight and this and that, you could just almost, and the whole Combatron is based around it. That game, if you just want to listen to music, have the expression lighting kits, give you some crazy light show, and just sit there and hit shots, I feel like that would fit pretty well. Another game that popped into my head was Elton John. I just think Elton John immediately, you're plunging in, you're picking your song, crazy light show, high energy, Steve Ritchie, every shot. I don't know. Does any other game pop? Like, Tom, if you were just to walk down into your collection and you're like, I don't want to think, I just want to flip. I just want to flip besides Rush.
    21:29
    I'm guessing it would just be Rush. But, no, what game would you play to just play? I don't know. Probably Guardians or Iron Maiden.
    21:42
    Okay. Iron Maiden, I could see. Guardians is interesting. Just a nice casual fan layout. Just hit the shots. Smooth. I mean, there's probably Iron Maiden. Okay. All right. No, well, if you're listening to this and a game pops into your head, please share it. Write the comment. I just thought it was because he's trying to build his collection, and it's like, what would be a really good game to just enjoy? I feel like the game behind you, I feel like Pulp Fiction could be that. Pulp Fiction is because of how many sound bites there are and the different music and the fact that it's basically a single-level layout that a lot of shots are accessible that way. I will agree. Beatles, I think, would be another one. Just instant music and just sit there and just rip that upper loop for a while and just feel great. That's 100% accurate because I had a Beatles for a while, and that's by far people that came over that never played pinball. they gravitated towards that and they would always come back and play that above anything else that I had yeah well another thing that I so the idea of like if you just want to flip you just want to enjoy the game because he's one of those I was watching it's like the moment he drains he's like double you know hitting the flipper button just like come on come on give me my next ball like he just wants the but he just wants to keep going and when I was watching my brother-in-law play Jaws that was his biggest complaint with Jaws is he's like there's he's like it just kept taking my ball and what he meant by, you know, there's so many moments where the, the up post would come up and show a scene. He's like, I don't care about tying a knot. I don't care about starting to like, he's just like, I just want to keep flipping, you know? And so he's sitting there just banging on, like, come on, skip and trying to skip the animations, you know, like the shoot, come on, shoot it now. It's an awesome moment. But if you're playing jaws for two hours straight, every time I like, I'm glad the up post doesn't stop it every time. It only does that animation once but it was just an interesting complaint that i did hear from him where he felt like jaws kept stealing his ball he's like i just want to play like i just want to shoot like come on so i don't know there's your other so what we're saying between your complaint travis and my complaint jaws is garbage that's what we're is that where we're at wait what you just touched base on there was something that we talked about i think either an episode or two ago about the lcd screen and everything. And that's, I mean, by far, I hear this a lot from a lot of people that buy pinball or end up pinball. Not too many people pay attention to the LCD screen in the middle of their game beyond getting the information that they need. Oftentimes they're trying to blow past a lot of the scenes. So it's kind of an interesting dynamic that you have these huge manufacturers that are all trying to get all these assets in on that screen. But then you have the player that's generally not wanting to view those assets too much because it's like anything else if you have it at home yeah it's cool for a few games but then after a while you just you want to get back to the action you want to keep going because it's imagine playing a video game over and over and over again you just love how this video game plays like how often do you want to sit there through the cut scene even if it's only 10 seconds this is ready to go back to alpha Oh, numerics.
    24:47
    Well, okay. But that's why Pulp Fiction appeals to a lot of people. That's why TNA appeals to a lot of people. These are the very reasons right there. I think, and I could have swore, I thought I heard Scott say this before about TNA, that it could basically function without the LCD screen. It was designed without it. Right. I might be talking out of turn here but I could have swore that it had been mentioned before The only reason why that screen was there was because of menus and stuff like that Yeah I don know that for a fact so I might be wrong on that But I just know that a lot of people just want to get to the game They want to see the action. Because how often do we talk about how cool a game is? It's how cool are these movie clips that get played over and over again? Yeah. Like, Tom, if you play Guardians of the Galaxy, are you playing it to start Groot and just see that movie clip play out before you can start your multi-ball? No. Yeah, no. There you go. Yeah. It's, I mean, there are certain. And that's, sorry, but that is a good point, Travis. You know, I really like LCD, the displays, but, yeah. I mean, once you, you know, it's like anything else. Once you've seen it a bunch of times, you know, it just becomes information for the player at that point. How many shots do I need for this? you know, like, like anything else, but, uh, it, it doesn't necessarily make pinball moments having that display. Well, it's funny. Cause it's, I'm trying to think of, um, you know, you have Metallica and you have the sparky animation. I know people were like, if they, if please, if anybody could ever adjust that code, just give me the ability to flip through that. And it's funny, like that's the one complaint they have with Metallica code or some people even Godzilla, not talking about LCD, they complain about the building. You know, it's like, once you see the building drop once or twice or, you know, in a, in a night that slows, it's funny how these moments, which are super impactful now of a sudden could become annoying. Just like medieval madness. People say, after you've blown up the castle 50 times in your life, you're kind of over it, but you can't play it without blowing up the castle or everything. So it's just where you just move the game. You get another game. You know, if you get too tired of it, that's why there's hundreds of options out there. But I will, I will say there's, um, you know, like when I had Hobbit and I know people probably roll their eyes, but it's, there are a few moments in Hobbit where the display, you know, starting the wizard mode and the music, like I like it because it's a rare moment. And that's where I'm glad I have the displayer or if you ever defeat smog and the flippers die and you just like focus on the screen and see everything. There are definitely times where having that screen is awesome. But when you, I agree, video clips,
    27:33
    The more that I've been streaming and the more that I've been playing, video clips mean a lot less to me, but the audio package means everything to me. And that's where I think Pulp Fiction really shines.
    27:47
    No offense to anybody, whoever's involved in this, Mark Ritchie, I know Josh Sharp, you guys did a great job. But the person that stands out to me with Pulp Fiction is David Thiel. David Thiel, the audio engineer of Pulp Fiction, crushed it on this game. it's awesome there's so many sound clips built into this game you're collecting characters over and over again but it's just this huge list I don't know if I ever heard the same sound clip more than once it was far from annoying, we streamed it for two hours straight even the music the way that he balanced the music to not because you hear that one song the whole time it's like you're hearing that song all the time but it's not annoying, I just don't know how he did it How does that go? You heard it.
    28:34
    That's it. You nailed it. I am so impressed with this game. I'm so impressed with the audio package. But then the rules and the way that this game can communicate what to do with just inserts, and essentially the bottom two score displays. So if you haven't played Pulp Fiction, whenever the ball is stopped, look at player three and player four score and that's normally what's saying what's going on so like if you start the mode wash the car it's it says shoot orbits like it just it's very clear oh okay but then you look down and what two lights are lit it's the orbit shots and those are like it's very obvious so um i really am enjoying it the code is deep as in there's plenty to do Do you miss not having an LCD on the game? I do not feel like I would enjoy this game anymore if I was seeing video clips of the actors instead of just hearing them. I don't think I would. It's not needed. And here's what's crazy about it. Pulp Fiction is made by, I mean, they're all filmmakers, but this is made by Quentin Tarantino. So, yeah, a filmmaker, the filmmaker who prides himself on just all kinds of unique shots, unique setups, unique dialogue, the whole nine yards. So, yeah, it's almost like you see Pulp Fiction, what they can pull off without video clips. And it makes me wonder what's possible with others. Now, like you did say or somebody said this earlier, there is a time and place for it. Sure. Depending on what's being shown, like Godzilla, for instance. It's pretty hilarious whenever you lose the ball and you got a ball. Right. Clips like that. It's pretty funny. Right. And so there's just there's certain situations where it's good, like the ending of Jaws, where they show him like paddling off. Yeah, that's basically the end. Like to me, that's pretty cool seeing stuff like that, you know. So there's just different ways to it. I think it's just it's tough because the examples are you're not playing during either of those examples. Right. For the ball to kick out or the ball's over. Right. But it's part of the experience, you know, because there's no telling. And I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of these that if you stand off to the side and you just watch what somebody else is playing, you probably notice a lot of nuances that you miss and everything. But at the same time, it's like you look at Iron Maiden, you look at Foo Fighters, you look at even Avengers, different stuff that doesn't have video clips in it in the way that it's live action. like to me those I find those personally far more interesting than I do seeing an actual live action video clip from something like the Deadpool animation stuff like that's just me personally there's probably somebody else out there that enjoys seeing parts of a movie or tv show or whatever but it just makes you wonder like how much time is truly spent on getting that all together and guaranteeing that you're seeing like x amount of time for a certain video clip because I'm sure the license requires you to have so much time on it. I don't know. But it's definitely something that stood out to me a lot recently, and I feel like I've discussed this not only in a Flippin' Out stream. We've discussed this, I think, in multiple episodes. I asked my brother the question, you know, DMD versus LCD. And, yeah, as much as I like it, you know, Elton John, it just has static images of Elton John kind of scrolling. I don't care. What I do care is the fact that the display is it's it's organized in a way where when I do glance up, I can see exactly what I know I'm looking for. It makes sense. I look to the right area. Or if you start a multiball, you know, the animation of Crocodile Rock or the animation of Rocketman multiball is really well done. So the moments where the ball is froze, frozen or are really like make sure that those animations look really good. but um yeah here's an easy barometer though joel we we got one right here with tom graff and rush and the fact that it has live action concert footage and a lot of it like what does that do for you tom as like the ultimate rush fan yeah how do you like that i mean i like it but it's it's not the end all be all for me i mean i was that a selling point that's the that's the biggest thing was that a selling point to you wanting to get an lv it was the gameplay and the music that was the selling point not not what was shown on the lcd screen yeah and that fascinates me because honestly it it is rare and i'm not saying they're not out there they might be listening to us right now but it is rare that i hear somebody say a major selling point to a game is the video assets like i barely ever hear that now it's not impossible i've heard it before it's just rare that it happens and i'm surprised at how little that that's viewed by people that purchase these games or look at these games and i it made me think inwards i'm like i you know anything i bought i was actually surprised there was so much concert footage on rush just because the previous music pins like had none right so i mean that was kind of a big surprise to me but I don't know. I mean, you do know, Joel, we got to know we're going to get to the bottom of the entire pinball industry. It's very clear, but I don't know what anybody's going to do about it. Like that's something that it's just, I mean, it's pinball, you know, I think people have different strategies and everything, but I think, I think overall is we all know what we like in pinball, right? Sure. We're not going to not buy a pinball machine just because as video clips, it's just simply just probably on the back burner for the most interesting things about that particular pin that we're playing yeah i just yeah to me it's like if spike 3 came out and they're like now the 4k monitor i'd be like man that just i don't care but if they came out and they're like you know what we're taking a big turn here and we're going to go to an xl dmd type display from here on out so we don't have to deal with video licensing i'll be like okay i i would be cool with that just because i love the art form i love that art form of dots um but if they had hdmi out oh i'd be that would be pretty sick but okay then you'd be all in for streaming yes but i i just feel to me what's what's funny is when when i think about what game i want to buy um you know normally designer who designed the game is number one right um and then who did the code but quickly who did the audio is becoming very important to me like david theil is a selling point to me at this point like he crushed alien we streamed alien i really love the audio package and that and i'm loving the audio package in pulp fiction um and that's that says a lot i mean um yeah it's a whole package right i mean yeah i'd rather have i'd rather have clip art or no art on on the display but have a great audio package because that's you're you're not you are listening to the game 100% of the time. Unless you're a tournament player and you put headphones in and don't, you're listening to the game 100% of the time. And that's one of my turnoffs to, like, Toy Story 4 is... That you're listening to it the entire time. You're listening to it the entire time. Like, the audio package really could use a lot of work, in my opinion. Well, some of the most fun that I'm sure you guys, I know for me personally, that I've had in pinball isn't necessarily at pinball tournaments. And it's not necessarily being on location. It's going to somebody's house or playing in my own house, playing on a pin that has a subwoofer hooked up to it, and you're just blasting the music, blasting the sound. The lights are going. The sound's going. The shots are fun. To me, that's what makes pinball fun. And just like Tom alluded to a second ago, that's the entire package right there. That's what makes things enjoyable. And that's why I've heard Pulp Fiction isolate it like that, and it is amazing. It's an amazing thing. And it's the same way, even Godzilla. Amazing. Whenever you start multiball and blue oyster cult goes and you have a subwoofer. Yeah. Like stuff like that. That's cool. It's a fun time. I'm with you. And that's that's one of the reasons I really like adding headphone kits to all my games, because then you can blast it in your ears without waking the house. But, yeah, investing in upgrading your speakers is awesome. I just sound is quickly becoming more and more of a priority to me in a game. good you've come over to hominized side other things right next to Jaws LE is a Foo Fighters LE in Tom's background tomorrow we are recording this on Monday tomorrow all the Foo Fighters accessories are going to be announced is that exciting to you Tom what's your plan are you all in on all of them or what could you already have expression lighting I haven't even seen anything I mean you're a good topper won't you I mean probably just because I'm a big Foo Fighters fan.
    37:35
    But, yeah. I'm not big on the shooter rods. I haven't put my shooter rod that came with the – On Jaws. I don't know if you can see that or not. So they shipped it without the shooter rod installed? Is that normal or is that a first?
    37:55
    Wait, normally they don't have a shooter rod. Normally they don't have it. Yeah, it's not included, huh? Yeah, it was all bubble-wrapped in the coin door. Okay. All right.
    38:06
    Well, yeah, that was our catching up on what we're doing. Other news. Texas Pinball Festival. Oh, yeah. That's coming. Texas Pinball Festival. That is Friday. I'm leaving Friday morning super early. I know Travis will be there. We're going to hang out and just celebrate our friendship and just have the best time celebrating this podcast and what we mean to each other. Love fest. And Tom, you're not going to be there. No. Aren't you guys glad, though? No. No, I'm not set. Because I'm not even doing any of the tournaments this year. I just want to hang out. Everybody will be like, it's so much enjoyable going to Texas Pinball Festival because Tom's not there. That's not how that works, Tom. Not at all.
    38:51
    I'm not looking. Okay, I will say I am not looking forward to answering, where's Tom at? Oh, whatever. Like, where's Tom? I'm just going to have him on FaceTime the entire time and just put him on my shoulder. What I was asking you, where's the P3 booth so I can go play Princess Bride? Princess Bride, yes. I'm actually excited about that. I want to play that game. I wish I was going. We'll go through each manufacturer, but, yes, we are going to be there. We are, as in, Travis and myself will be there. I'll be there Friday, Saturday, leaving Sunday afternoon. I think Travis is getting there Thursday. I'm getting there Thursday. and I'm going to a karaoke party Thursday night. I cannot wait. I'm happy for you. Yes. And for those saying, well, hang on, Joel, since you're not going to be there, I was going to invite you. Yeah. I'll go ahead and tell people where it is. It's fine. I'll advertise. People want to. Yeah. Okay. It's called the Brothers Grill and Bar. So Thursday night crash. Yeah. Down in Plano, Texas. Yeah. I think we're like, like around nine o'clock at night, Thursday night. We'll be out there. They have a stage. They have karaoke. They have drinks. Awesome. Nine yards. If you want to hear me sing Journey, Don't Stop Believing, you'll see it that night. Dedicate every song to Tom Graff.
    40:05
    This song goes out to Tom Graff. I can't wait to do Tequila, Fat Bottom Girls, Don't Stop Believing. We're going to go through all the hits. This song goes out to Tom Graff. Okay.
    40:17
    Well, no, I'm excited. I'm excited to just get away and check that out. I will say last year I feel we were spoiled. What was it? It was like seven new game announcements. And, I mean, in the last week, I feel like there's been a bunch of games that have been announced. So there will be plenty to play.
    40:34
    So let's just roll through that list. We'll start at the top. Stern. Stern's going to have probably plenty of Jaws.
    40:41
    And to me, this will be my first opportunity to play a premium. So I'm pretty pumped for that. And then I'm assuming those Foo Fighters accessories, they'll probably have those in person for people to see. Should be pretty neat.
    40:54
    JJP. Somebody actually asked me today. They're like, do you think JGP will reveal anything tomorrow or in Texas? I was like, I doubt it. I think I think this is this is actually going to be the first opportunity for a whole lot of people to play an Elton John. I would hope they're still riding the Elton John train. I know when I did the stream with my brother, Elton John is definitely a game I miss. I genuinely miss that game. And I know of multiple people that want to buy an Elton John, but they're waiting for them to hit the second market, the secondary market. because most of the time J.J.P. games kind of drop a good $1,000 or $2,000 in price.
    41:31
    But that's the problem is I don't see any on the secondary market, and that's because it's a really good game. It's a very, very fun game. Tony closer, Tony Danza. See, he could have been there just doing karaoke. I can't wait until Tom just shows up and surprises us. He's probably lying to us this whole time. So J.J.P., definitely I know they had it at Expo originally. They only had three, and the lines were crazy long. So I really hope JJP goes all out and brings a lot, a lot more. I did see a Facebook flyer, and it showed four games. So it had, I think they're planning on bringing Elton John, Godfather, Toy Story, and probably Guns N' Roses would be my guess.
    42:15
    CGC. CGC, I know they are still making Cactus Canyons, but I would assume there will be Pulp Fictions there. So hopefully people have an opportunity to play those. Those are being built. Tom doesn't have his yet, but they are being built, which is awesome. American Pinball. American Pinball has a new game. A new game they announced. Barrios Barbecue Adventure? Barbecue Challenge. How perfect is a barbecue game released in Texas?
    42:48
    It actually makes thematic sense. It works. It does. Yeah. so let's just pause on this game for a second um let's say uh what are we pausing joel this is well that was a perfect segue tom just like threw up a softball see that tom and joel's just like yeah i'm gonna pump the brakes oh oh you're saying you want to let's talk you're saying you want to yeah you want to you want to have a jam session on barbecue barbecue challenge uh This one, I had heard rumors that the next game, being this one, was going to be Barry Oster's last game. And I know that he had worked on, I think it was Food Truck. So I had heard from some people, they're like, it's Food Truck. It's Food Truck. And I was like, okay. You know, there's been unlicensed themes that have surprised me before.
    43:40
    But for it to be called Barry O's, for his name to be in the title, and his face all over the play field in the back glass. I mean, Zach and Dennis on the pinball show, I think they said it really well. Like, they took a niche hobby.
    43:56
    They took a very niche theme with barbecue, and they made it even more niche by putting a pinball designer's name in the title and his face on the play field. Like, there are pinball enthusiasts who have no idea who Barry Osler is. And it's just, I don't know. I mean, they're only doing 100 LEs. I was really hoping after GTF and the sales of GTF not being the best I was really hoping their next game would kind of push them back in the right direction I don't think this is that game just from a marketing and just purely thematical standpoint but with all that said I'm looking forward to playing it I have no idea how it's going to shoot could make you really hungry too it probably will with the fact that the speaker grill is a grill it's going to be talking about smoked meats I don't know I thought that was a weird choice the front is like wood and then the speaker grill is an actual grill it's a pin that looks like it's the pinball machine out of time It's almost like this game should have came out in the early 90s, sometime around then.
    45:18
    I'm curious to play it. I want to play all new pinball. I haven't watched much video on it at all. There isn't any. That's the thing. There is one that showed up today on YouTube. There's like an eight-minute long clip, and I watched it for a couple of minutes. I think what kind of got me a little bit, I was expecting it to be very much barbecue theme, right? Because obviously it's barbecue challenge. But then the light show was kind of, it almost felt like Star Wars with barbecue.
    45:48
    The light show was very, it reminded me of Potluck. It's barbecue with a rave. Right, exactly. So that kind of got me a little bit, seeing green inserts and everything. But I guess there's only so much that you could do, though, obviously, to try to keep on theme as much as possible. But I don't know. I don't know what to think about this game just because it's one, it's obviously not a, I don't know, like a big name title. Like you said, it's almost, it's very niche down. And so when I see this, I'm thinking, okay, this game is not made for the home user. I feel like it's made exclusively for locations more than anything else. And I think with the rollout kind of the way it is, the game is on locations now, right? Yeah. Like I think they got several locations. So, well, I don't know. I'm going to answer like Joel does. I don't know. I got to play it. I'm very personally, I'm very confused by the theme, but I am excited. It is a Barry Ousler. Yeah. I generally enjoy his designs, such as like Taxi. That's a fun game. Taxi. Yeah. Taxi was Barry Ousler? Yeah. I thought that was Mark Ritchie.
    46:59
    Yeah. Let me see. He did Call Out. say tom tom was right you got me right yeah you got me right uh for the record joel was right undefeated was right joel was right how dare you fine he did what now i gotta think what other games he did he did i know he did junkyard valley yeah dracula doctor who yeah this is why we have time 90s there you go tom knows we got tom we got tom well didn't he do like he did fire right actually no he did not do tax he did not do tax he did fire in space station right i'm gonna look this up now so you got me wondering why you're looking it up i would say when i looked at the layout my initial impression was that looks like hot wheels that looks like hot wheels and so to me it's almost like i almost wish they would have taken hot wheels and then just had kind of do a spooky where they just do another re-theme and we'll just take a known layout and make it another theme for barbecue joints i think it's the color of the playfield maybe the ramps maybe yeah and then like the pit targets well yeah so three targets in the middle like that the rpm targets were right there on and i don't know what's up travis you okay i was partially right he was with taxi but it was the call outs because it just dawned on me as soon you said that i knew he's associated with the project you're not right so he was wins the battle yeah for the record he is not a designer for taxi but he was associated with the project um okay so it kind of reminds me of mystic has anybody else seen that if you look at it if you really really look at it i would love it if mystic was designed by somebody other than him that does just no yeah i'm saying i'm saying it looks it looks similar to that with where things are when i was looking at that earlier i saw where the pops were i saw where targets are at the sides okay right it just reminded me a lot of mystic it's like almost like you can overlay it i'm just gonna have to play it but i think you said something that i think this is marketed more towards the location you know octoberfest the idea with octoberfest is every brewery in america is going to want to buy one, right? I just, I don't see every barbecue restaurant in America jumping on Barry O's barbecue challenge. I think if a barbecue joint is going to add a pinball machine into their lineup, they're probably going to want to buy a band pin or, you know, like some other, I just don't know. I don't know. I could be wrong. I mean, I think it's a great tribute to Barry Osler, but just putting him on the game is kind of, I don't know. Maybe I'll get it when I play it. Okay.
    49:58
    All right. Well. I mean, they are up front, too, looking through, I guess, the overview of it. I guess that they are sending royalties to his estate from every cell. Oh, that's cool. So they're very much making him a massive part of this game. But, Joel, you are correct. I guess, well, you said that Zack and Dinden mentioned this, that it could be that people don necessarily know who he is either that are currently in pinball Because I can even remember the last game that he put out What was the last game And you wrong It not Taxi Joel What was the last game that he put out?
    50:36
    I think it had been a long time. Because I think he was designing something in Deep Root. Didn't he put out Queen? Didn't he design that?
    50:45
    I'm just kidding. Or he designed Queen. I feel like you're one Google away from finding this answer, Travis. I'm going to bring it back up. I know Junkyard was like his last one. His main, yeah. It seemed like. So I'm excited to play it. I like playing new games. I like playing new games for sure. So it's definitely on the list of I have full plans of standing in line and ready to play it. And sure, I'd love to be blown away on it. We're going to play Barbecue Challenge together. That's all we're going to play. So if you're looking to meet Travis and I at TPF, just go to the American Pinball booth. We're going to be standing in line playing nothing but Barbecue Challenge. Joel to dollar games the entire time. He'll be rich.
    51:26
    Wasn't Bowden? He's on the rules, right? I don't have great rules. It says he contributed to the design as well. Really? Okay. Stephen Bowden, Dennis Norman, and Ryan McQuaid in design assistance played a vital role in refining the game's play field. That'll be interesting. What I'm getting at is usually I've had bowed him before explain the rules to me to a game as i'm up there that i hadn't played before and that actually that enhances the experience a lot because he gives pretty good insight yeah with what's going on plus his his attitude his personality is so infectious because he gets super excited during the game too so he's a great dude yep so i'd be looking out for that as well so definitely definitely check that out if you haven't played gtf i mean make sure they'll have them there play it um so that'll be american pinball uh spooky spooky's gonna have a big turnout. They always bring a lot of games, and I would assume they'll probably have, they might even have a few Scooby-Doos there. I don't know. I think they are almost done or very close to done with building all the Scooby-Doos. I had a local friend here that he didn't get the collector's edition of Scooby-Doo. He got the other one, and so those are the bloodsucker edition or whatever. It's like those are the ones that are built last. He just got his game a few weeks ago, and he ordered it day one, but because he didn't order the collector's edition. So I think they're rounding that out. I don't know. So they may or may not have Scooby-Doos at Texas, but they should have Texas Chainsaw Massacre pinball machines there and Looney Tunes. Mascara.
    53:02
    So I'm excited to play both. I'm really excited to play both and see how well those play. Four ramps, four flippers. Every ramp feeds a flipper. it'll be cool to have them side by side to be able to jump back and forth and kind of see how different they feel so I definitely have plans of spending a good amount of time in the spooky booth which one are you more excited to play? I mean honestly Looney Tunes would be there's no way I'd have Texas Chainsaw Massacre in my house so Looney Tunes would be the one I'd care more about and Looney Tunes has Eric Pripke rules and I really I have found Eric Pripke did Rick and Morty and Eric Pripke did Labyrinth and I really enjoyed both of those rule sets but Texas Chainsaw Massacre has Hilton rules my comment stands I will I don't know Hilton besides I know he's been banned from Pinside so I think I know Eric Pripke and I'm excited to play I think you should give it a fair shake Joel I mean I'll play it Are you bringing the family and friends with you to TPF, or is it just you? I will play it. We will give you permission to play Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You're going to play it and be like, damn, I can't get this. That's how I felt about Elvira. I really enjoyed Elvira. Really enjoyed it.
    54:28
    It's funny. I'm actually super interested in Texas Chainsaw Massacre and playing it because it's a theme that I don't care for at all. Yeah, your twin daughters will love it. at all. But I think it's... What I'm getting at is I can fully respect the balls of steel for a company to put this theme on a pinball machine.
    54:53
    You're not doing that unless you're super passionate about it. So I'm very curious to see how that comes off to somebody that's not interested in the theme at all. And that's why I'm willing to give it a shot because, I don't know, for pinball, it makes me excited when I know that the people behind it are very excited about the project that they're doing. So I'm with you. I think it'll be great. I'm really, I I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to playing both of those. I also know in the booth, uh, Christopher Franchi apparently is going to be there in that booth. Um, so he's going to be signing stuff. He he's, he said on Facebook, Christopher Franchi, that this is his last pinball signing thing. Like he's been at most Chicago or Texas every time I've gone super nice guy to talk to. So if you're a fan of Christopher Franchi and you like his art, definitely check out, I think he's in the Spooky Booth. Check him out there. Try to get things signed. Bring, you know, if you're local or whatnot. My brother, for streaming with me, with Zach, I got him a Guardians of the Galaxy banner. And so he loves Guardians of the Galaxy. So I'm actually going to take that down, take it all the way with me to Texas just to get Franchi to sign it, to bring it back. Why is your brother not coming to TTF? Because he's a bum. It costs money. It costs money to fly down there and rent a hotel room and all that. Yeah, it's not free. It's called privilege, Joel.
    56:16
    Just be a trophy husband. You don't have to worry about it at all. He will be at Chicago. Chicago for us is a drive. That's super easy to get to.
    56:26
    My brother will definitely be. I don't know every day. He knows more than one. He came only one day last time and he's like i need to i need to come for more than one day for sure well convince them to come down to tpf it's not too late it's not going to happen in four days why wouldn't it we can't convince tom to come can you show up yeah let me let me look at flights all right so that is spooky spooky is going to be great um uh barrels of fun barrels of fun will be there they're going to have a lot of labyrinths um honestly i'm excited to play it again. I know they've done some code updates since the time that I streamed it. I'm looking forward to putting my hands on that machine again and playing it. I really had a lot of fun with that. Get your hands off. I'm going to have my hands all over that game. When is TPF again? What are the dates? Friday. It's the 15th, 16th, 17th. Yeah, it's Friday. It's Friday.
    57:22
    Tom's thinking about going. He's thinking about it. Look at him. I already committed to streaming. ah ditch it streaming what uh lumberjack johnny's uh uh jaws lunch party oh well just tell him you got sick yeah i don't know yeah just listening to the podcast you can pass the torch to somebody right i mean call up andy bagwell so you do me a solid he's he's not coming no here it is um oh ran oh other side note they we had that small little mini episode where we announce Papa. And it was really, really cool filming with Andy Bagwell and Penny and talking about that. So I know we got some really good feedback on that episode and people are excited for it. So I don't know if tickets or have any of that gone up for sale yet. They have. So I hope that's going well. Honestly, that's in Chicago. Depending on what's going on, that would be a tournament I would like to just come to and say, hey, or yeah, so we'll see. Maybe there's a chance that I would drop in on that.
    58:27
    I also had a guy randomly, Tom, with Fox City Spinball, you posted the stream from Expo last year, and I commentated on that stream for like four hours. Oh, here we go. I had a blast doing it. Like I had an absolute blast doing it. So I had this random Facebook message, and the guy was like, hey, just watch this, and I really enjoyed your commentary. I was like, well, shoot, okay. I loved it. I absolutely loved doing it, and I loved drawing all over Tom's screen and pissing them off. It was great. It was so great.
    58:58
    All right, so that was the spooky booth. Barrels of Fun, we talked about that. Definitely go play Labyrinth. I highly doubt they would be showing anything but Labyrinth. Something they did just post, though, on Facebook is they have a bunch of merch and accessories that they're now selling. They have this thing called, I think they're calling it Pin Armor. It's a whole bunch of like a cloth-made bag for when you travel with a pin to slide all the legs in and put the bolts and everything. Like, it's really cool. I don't know. Check it out. Check out their website. Check out their accessories. They're going to have all this stuff. They have, like, head wraps and whole body wraps for people that move. What is this called now?
    59:37
    Go to Barrels of Fun. Barrels of Fun's website is – Oh, Barrels of Fun. Are they going to do the – Barrels of Fun. The pen pod also? No, it's not out of wood. But apparently they're going to have all this merch on sale there. You mean the Makers of Labyrinth? The makers of Labyrinth. Yes. Apparently they have a bunch of, they now have like pinball accessories and a bunch of more like protective things and travel kits. I mean, Zach and I swap games. It feels like monthly. I, I almost want to convince Zach to buy two of them. Hey, the goblin toppers in stock right now. You better, better go get it. It's a great, that's a great game. So I'm, I'm looking forward to playing that. I'm looking forward to seeing them and checking out some of that merch in person. Uh, another random thing, back alley creations. If you don't follow Back Alley Creations, Back Alley Creations does all the sculpts for Spooky. They, on Facebook, they do the seven days before TPF. So they reveal seven mods, one every day before TPF. And they're all pretty cool. Like they had a bunch of Jaws mods, like Jaws sculpts that they posted today. So check them out on Facebook, Back Alley Creations.
    60:40
    So that was Barrels of Fun. Turner Pinball. Turner Pinball is going to be there. I think they said they have another iteration of Ninja Eclipse. We played the original one at TPF, and then they had a whole other model, the one without the coin door at Chicago Pinball Expo. So I'm very curious to see what this iteration is going to look like.
    60:59
    They're going to be there. P3, P3 Multimorphic is going to be there. They've obviously just revealed Princess Bride. We have not talked about that. Initial impressions. We should talk about it right now, Joel. So can we pause? Can we pause on that and talk about it? Yeah, let's just jive a little bit on Princess Bride now. Let's just jive. Yeah, why not? Jam or jive? What time is it? It's 1049 my time. 949 my time, Tom. Jive or jam? Jam feels a little aggressive. Let's just drive on it, okay? Let's just jive. Let's keep it chill. Are we driving or jiving? We're jiving. Okay. Yeah, okay. So Princess Bride. Oh, sorry. No, don't ever apologize for singing, Tom. It's beautiful. It's a gift. Clueless is an awesome movie. Angelic.
    61:45
    Do you care about Princess Bride? Is that a theme that resonates in any of your households? Uh, I mean, it's a good movie. Isn't it? Neil's favorite movie. Doesn't he talk about it? He has princess bride posters all over his dorm. No. Oh, I'm thinking of the wrong meal. Got it. Okay. Uh, for me personally, no, but for Monica, absolutely. 1000%. She likes princess bride. She's obsessed with princess bride. We have probably at least three or four novels of the same book, just in different ways. I've had to watch this movie at least three or four times, which is a lot for me to agree with Monica to watch what she wants to watch. But yeah, this is like her pen that she, she's interested in. So watch this. Yeah. Okay. I want to see her. Let me travel across the country by myself. Joel, I'll get lost. Your boys. I mean, you'll be by yourself. Yeah, that is true. But no, the, between pirates and princess bride, she's just all in. Those are her top two. Mm-hmm. Huh. And then Red Hot Chili Peppers, right? Yeah, I'm in trouble if that ever comes out. Those are the top three themes. Mm-hmm. Okay, so Princess Bride. I remember when the rumor came out. This was before it was even announced or rumored that it was Multimorphic that was making the game. It was just like, hey, apparently PrincessBridePinball.com or something was the thing. I remember mentioning it to my wife. I was like, what do you think of Princess Bride as a pinball theme? She's like, that is a good choice. She's like, that's a good movie. it's very approachable to so many people love it she she was like that's a really not that she necessarily loves that theme more than others but um i think harry potter would be the one theme that that would probably resonate most with her that and beyonce so you know i don't let me go get my wallet on the harry potter one yeah yeah i know that's you and a lot of people um but it was princess brett i think it's an excellent theme choice excellent theme choice i've watched some of the streams i don't you guys go first initial impressions of gameplay or what you've seen of the machines um it's a p3 no i'm just kidding i'm just kidding uh well it is a p3 you are correct on the platform yes yes no it looks good uh i think uh i think it's got some uh cool cool max in the back uh the the ball going up the cliffs of insanity that that is pretty awesome yeah joel yeah i um i just remembered that i told my wife after after it was officially announced i was like hey tonight do you want to watch princess bride she's like why i was like well the pinball machine just came out i want to i want to watch the movie to like refresh it you know She's like, nah. She just wasn't. Anybody want a peanut? I think if Travis was like, hey, Monica, you wanted to watch Princess Bride? Yes.
    64:46
    I'd be having a fifth kid by now if I did that. Oh, man. Who are you? What did you do with Travis? So, I mean, my initial impressions of it is they have a shot right up the middle. So it looks like it's, I think, you know, a lot of ridicule that Turtles gets with Stern was you took a child's theme, even though it's my dream theme, you took a child's theme and you made a brutal pin. I don't think they did that with Princess Bride. The shots look to be incredibly accessible and forgiving. And I think they took a very approachable theme and they made a very approachable pin. So I will be curious to see what the ball times look like at TPF waiting in line to play this game. If I'm assuming, you know, I remember there goes Travis. Travis, he forgot his dummy battery. He told us at the beginning of the episode. So we are back. Dumb, dumb. Delogato, no signal. Dumb, dumb. Yeah, that's the guy we have. That's the third wheel on this journey. It's like almost exactly an hour. Yeah, it's every 30 minutes, I think. Just whatever. Hey, did you guys know that Barry Osler did not design Taxi? I did. I did know that. Guys, if you see Travis at TPF, just try to slip that in somewhere. Like, hey, Travis, hey, did you know that Barry Osler didn't design Taxi? Just slide that in. And what was the other thing that you said? You know how many people have said to me, oh, you really dropped the gopher on that one? That's what it was.
    66:21
    The groundhog. I'm like, I'm not Travis. Or the groundhog. I'm like, I'm not Travis. I forgot about that.
    66:30
    That's what I was just trying to remember. What's the other thing? You really dropped the groundhog on that one. By the way, I'm going to get this pinball armor. It's pretty slick, isn't it? It's pretty slick.
    66:46
    I'm going to get a set. So check out Barrels of Fun's store. They have a bunch of cool new pinball stuff. How do we get back on Barrels of Fun? I thought we were talking about Princess Bride. I'm looking at the pinball. It's pretty full set, and I want to throw money away. Yeah, there you go. You're going to drop the poop. You're going to do that. I totally – I was trying to think. That makes me so – listeners, thank you. Thank you so much for doing that to Tom. Feel free to do it to Travis. This is an awesome pinball mod. Yeah. The pin armor, I know. I'm excited about it. Okay. So what were we talking about? Princess Bride, Joel. Princess Red, yep, yep, yep. So I remember when we were there at TPF, the ball lines, the lines for Final Resistance weren't crazy long because that game is pretty fast and pretty brutal. I'm expecting the ball times to be pretty long just based on layout.
    67:41
    But what I have heard in the streams and others is they basically said every – they have full access to the movie. So every scene that you think of is in the game, every quotable line that you think of is in the game, it's just full of it. And when you have that massive display in the play field, they're able to show that. And not only are they showing it, you can see it because you're staring at the play field. So I think this may be one of those where it's going to be really nice having that movie and video integration in a game. so I think this is a massive step forward for Multimorphic getting a theme this big, this accessible and expensive though, that's the one thing didn't they drop their price a little bit though? they dropped the price of the individual module but for people that are on the fence and maybe this is finally the theme you know Monica, I don't know if she's saying alright Travis, I'm ready for a P3 in the house but if this is the theme it's over 10 grand to get into this game. And I don't know how much, you know, if you're bringing people from outside the hobby or just Princess Bride fanatics, I don't know how, you know, if it's that easy. So if I want the standard edition. Yeah. How much is it?
    68:58
    Let me Google that for you. About time. I don't. Talk amongst yourselves. you know why sorry listeners let me Travis what did you do this weekend uh I came home and iced my knee for a long time since I ended up finishing nationals on a stool while I played so I had no choice which Neil brought you right he did both him and Escher they were both helping me so the young kids were like propping me up it's like helping the old guy I haven't pulled up here The P3 machine with Princess Bride's standard edition game is the full price is $11,500 plus shipping.
    69:46
    I don't think that's that bad. That's the whole thing, though. That's the whole thing. That's the standard? Right, right. Well, you got to, I mean, you got to buy the game, like the play field and all that. But that's the whole thing. If you already have a P3 and you want just the play field, the module is $3,750. So, I mean, that's awesome. That's sick that you can be under $4,000 and get a brand new game. I get it. And then it was like $5,000 for the LE or something like that?
    70:17
    If you already have a P3. Yeah, $5,000 and you get the topper and all that. Topper, yeah. Got to get the topper. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm excited to play it. I'm excited to play it for sure. Excited to see how it feels and shoots and whatnot. The streams I saw, though, it definitely seemed to be a longer playing game. But for people in this particular theme, I think I would rather, yeah, it makes way more sense to have a very an easier shooting game. Maybe it's not easy, but even just I'm glad it's not brutal. I'm glad it's not brutal like a Turtles or, you know, where it's not appropriate for what the theme is. So that should be pretty neat. Pretty neat. And I know Multimorphic always has a lot of games out at Texas because it's it's semi local for them.
    71:04
    What manufacturers have I forgotten? We talked about listing them out. I was just thinking about this. Stern, JJP, American Biblical, CGC. Well, I mean, Barrels of Fun will have Labyrinth there, right? And all the accessories. We talked about that. Haggis coming? Haggis is not. No. Which is probably smart because with their whole email thing saying they are, what was the term, reallocate, something with money, like basically reevaluating how they disperse their money, The idea of flying games over and flying people over to show off the games, probably not the best use of that money. So that's smart for them not to be there.
    71:43
    Oh, like Pedretti. Is Pedretti Gaming? I would assume there will be some aliens there. I would assume some queens.
    71:53
    Will they have anything new? I don't know. No idea. I think there's a rumor right now with – it's a helicopter. And it looks like apparently that's the helicopter that was used in ABBA. ABBA's covers. So if that ends up being. I thought they would fly into concerts.
    72:14
    Pedretti isn't there, but Pinball Brothers is. Oh, that's Pinball Brothers. That's right. So Pedretti, they're the ones talking about doing remakes. They're talking about the ones doing remake games. That's the rumor. So waiting to see what's going on with that. But Pinball Brothers, they did Alien, they did Queen, and now they're talking about the poster is looking like it's got to be ABBA.
    72:41
    Are you sure? I'm not. It's a helicopter. It's the helicopter and people are – Get to the chopper. Is it the ABBA helicopter? That's what people are saying. I know nothing about ABBA, so I have no idea. I don't either. But I remember one of our conversations, I don't know who said it, but I was like, ABBA? Abba's the theme? And somebody wrote, women love Abba. That was the response. And so I was like, hey, Nicole. That was me. Oh, you said, okay. You said women love Abba. Just because my wife likes it, so I assume if she likes it, all women like it. So I said, hey, Nicole, do you love Abba? She's like, Abba? I was like, yeah, the band. She's like, I mean, they're fine. I was like, well, according to this, women love Abba. She goes, I don't think that's a blanket statement. I don't think that applies to the entire gender.
    73:30
    No. I can ask Monica real quick. You can find out. Did you say Red Hot Chili Peppers? No. So we'll see that.
    73:43
    Dutch. If Dutch is there. They're rumoring a new... They're still working on Lebowski's. But they're saying the next game is in the works. Imagine working on Lebowski's for like 10 years. I'm just glad they're finally... For some people that have had deposits in for eight, nine years, I'm glad they're finally getting their games.
    74:01
    That'd be nice. So, yeah, besides that, I don't – I mean, I think that's basically every major manufacturer. There's a whole lot of mods for sale. There's a whole lot of other cool stuff, merch, all that crap. It's awesome. And then Homebrews, I will let you know, a friend of the show, Glenn, he does a lot of music for a lot of podcasts.
    74:25
    And Glenn, he told us that him and a few of his friends, they did a homebrew for the movie Saw, S-A-W, Saw, the horror movie. And apparently that game will be there at Texas. So try to play that. Apparently Glenn did all the music, all the callouts, all the sound effects for the game. And he actually sent me a song. So at the end of the episode, after Tom graces us with his wisdom and kind words of whatever, I'm going to throw in his song. So feel free to listen to that. And hopefully that background music for the game pumps you up enough that you'll want to play it, that you'll want to play the game. Travis and I cannot wait. You're not going to be there.
    75:09
    Oh, you're going to hear the song. Can I hear it at the end? Jeez. Got it. Talking about playing the game.
    75:16
    Yeah, I think that's it for, I don't know, TPF. Besides that, there is a tournament going on. I know Wormhole Pinball is streaming that. And then otherwise, it's just go and hang out with like-minded people. If you see Travis and I, please come and say hi. And it's just fun. It just a fun place to be and hang out at So I don know Travis do you have any other thoughts on Yeah actually So I am going to be in a certain area on the floor It with the hanger pinball exhibit So they're going to have an area there. They're based out of Tulsa, Oklahoma. Are you signing autographs? No, no. We will be answering questions though about Barry Osler's taxi though. So I'll have a seminar for that.
    75:59
    I want everybody at TPF to go up to Joel and Travis and try to get their autographs. No. I'll sign anything. Bring me a baby. I'll sign babies. Babies and boobs. Those are the only two things I sign. I'm sorry. Wow. In an order that would surprise you, Joel. I don't even. Physically, hang her pinball. They are doing a unsanctioned or non-sanctioned tournament during the event. Joel, you can even do this. It's basically a $10 entry fee. Pop a card. I think they're going to have like eight or nine pins at their booth. but the top five from my understanding the top five cards yeah we'll win 500 each oh and then all excess funds will go to charity all this and that that's what i've been told i would like to go to tpf now yeah there you go so all you other tournament players that are stuck in the tournament area suck it because joel and i we're going to put in some pop-up cards and how many How many whoppers do I get? How many? No whoppers. None, but you get 500 bones, and that's all that matters, Joel. Okay. All right. I'll come back a winner. I'll tell my wife I won money. There you go. I think they're going to be streaming that on Twitch and everything. So that's like the one thing that I know is happening there. So they won't be able to compete with Tom doing his Joel's launch party, but whatever. It's fine. He's doing that. But I'll probably be on that stream for a little while as well. All right. Well, I think that's, yes, TPF, it's going to be fun. maybe we can twist Tom's wrist and he'll show up. We'll see. Is there any seminars, Joel? I would want to go to, there are, I haven't actually looked, I haven't looked. I mean, I know there's no, um, there's no twippies. That was always a fun way to, to cap it off one Saturday night. What are people going to do on Saturday night? We're going to get drunk. Um, it's going to get, it's going to get pretty fricking rowdy in there. We used to get drunk during the twippies, but now we just got to get drunk before and just hold on to it all day long that's all we can do at this point is canada still going to tpf he's not he's kicked out of expo so i bet he'll be there he'll be there i think everybody should be there but tom graff right is that going yeah zach is still on the fence why is nobody going to tpf zach has there's something going Yeah, there's something to do with his, like, kid spring break or something. I don't know. Joel, that means you and I, we're going to have to, like, hang out. You know who else is going to be there? Neil McRae. And Neil McRae. Neil McRae is a saint. I can't wait. I love Neil McRae. I'm excited to see Neil McRae. Now I am actually going to look into a flight. Neil, if you're going, bud, you better be there for karaoke night. We talked about this at InDisc. I'm just saying. I hope you buy us another round of really girly, fruity, frilly drinks for us. I'll drink whatever Neil puts in front of me. That's just a rule.
    78:55
    It is what it is. TPF, it's going to be great. If you're there, say hi to us. But other than that, the only other thing I think left to cover is tournament talk. Tournament talk. I thought we were going to talk about brisket.
    79:09
    What was your favorite time? I went to the Hard Eight last year. Yeah. That was really good. i'd recommend what'd you have i had sausage oh shit joel let him answer though brisket and pulled pork he had smoked meats that sounds awesome and what was that place called hearty heartache okay joel we gotta go hard eight like heartache or hard eight hard eight eight like the number eight the number eight said it wrong what does that stand for you're rolling dice heartache Oh, I didn't know that. It's like casino themed. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. I don't know. Now we're getting into Tom's dark past. Maybe the barbecue challenge pin has like a high roller casino vibe to it or something.
    79:58
    Okay. Could you imagine if Texas Chainsaw Massacre was next to the barbecue game? Like that is just perfect. I wonder how likely is that? Does the American Pinball Booth buy the Spooky Booth? They need to make that happen. So we're just going to be playing meat grinding games? Is that it? Bingo.
    80:22
    Joel wants to talk about tournaments so bad. I'm trying to show respect to you guys and your tournaments. Because you guys can be crap on the weekends. You're like, Joel, there's really important competitive pinball being on stream right now. I'm like, sorry, I'm dealing with children or digging a hole. My wife decided to take out a tree. See, you should be watching with your children. And experiencing. Tom, here's what happened. He gets one comment about his commentating, and it's just gone to his head. Now he's like, we've got to talk about tournament streaming now. I mean, he's the Joel Rogan of tournaments. I just ask the questions that people want to know, which is, how do you play this game? That's the questions I ask while I commentate.
    81:04
    People ask me how I got Neil into pinball. I said, you sit down and watch Elwin play this game. And he said, yes, dad. okay so there was a big tournament that just happened at District 82 it was streamed by Fox City Spinball like everybody and their mom watched it you got a ton of viewers the channel is growing massively like actually huge congrats Tom you are crushing it with that thank you to the IFPA the official name what was it it was the what's the official name of the thing that you streamed I don't know no just kidding It's a IFPA North American Pinball Championship. That was on Thursday. So that was every state or province champion from a few months back all traveled to District 82 and they competed for the title. I know, Travis, you won Oklahoma.
    82:01
    So you were there and you competed, right? I did. Okay. And did you win? I won. I had a bye and then I won that round and then I lost the next round. So I went out third round. I guess it was like 12th place or something like that. To who?
    82:19
    To Richie Terry from Washington. Nice dude. Great player. Nice. Pretty cool guy. Yeah. Do you know if he has like a webcam that stays on more than 30 minutes? He might. But no, he just, he kicked the dog crap out of me though. He could probably work a webcam. Could not get anything going. So to spoil everything, Dalton. Dalton won. Dalton won the whole thing, which is awesome.
    82:44
    Another one of those young bucks taking it all. Who are the final two? Dalton and who? Drew Sedolia. I don't know that name. I have to think about the spelling of his name. He's around our age. He was fighting for us old guys. What state was he? He freaking killed it. North Carolina. I think, right? Yeah. he's an excellent player he's been around for a while nice so what's the format of that I mean I know obviously the get in but what's the actual head to head or head to head basically best of seven games there's a there was a list of 30 games 10 old 10 mid and 10 new that the players got to pick from what's the cut off between mid and new it varies so i mean like games from i don't know travis you i don't have the list in front of me this is like adam's family was a mid so that was right makes sense like 92 93 uh yeah but attack from mars was a modern right or a new and that's like a 95 i'm pulling up the list but no attack from mars was or sorry the adams family was considered a mid okay yeah it was so was games like eight ball champ so what game did you get wrecked on what's that what game did you get wrecked on um let's see i would just build a list right because yeah frontier that went sideways fast uh foo fighters i can just go shove that game in traffic oh really so the way Josh had it. What do you do? It's not because of like Jack's design. It's just the way the game played. I, it almost didn't treat Josh very well when I was playing with him. I legit Joel, Joel. Okay. I don't complain about pinball much. I'm going to file a complaint right now. I shot the overlord, the forks and I'm in multi-ball, right? So I shoot the overlord to get my two X locked, locked in the forks come up. Then the game tilts. Like when the forks come up and I'm like, what? The tilt was that tight? Well, it was tight. But then the previous round, I hit the left ramp. And the post that comes up that's supposed to stop the ball as you choose your city, it sent the ball up and out to the out lane. It just popped it off the glass and just went. And the game just totally honeydicked me because I thought I might have a ball save or something. And I'm sitting there choosing my city. So I'm like, what's going to happen? What's going to happen? New Orleans. and then it just instantly counts down my bonus. Nice. So, yeah. So there was that. And let's see. Eight ball champ. So you really dropped the gopher on that one. That's what I'm hearing. The groundhog. Groundhog. Any rodent, really. My bad. But I did win one. I won Athens family. So there's that. I had that. It was four to one. You won one? No, that's good. I put up a fight. It's good for your pride. A little bit. Yeah. I just limped around everywhere. Escher and Neal took care of me. The drive back was just fantastic. but that's right you had a big slumber party at tom's house i did i got to sleep next to carlos and then i woke up i woke up in the middle of the night to space jams man i'm just like the snoring super loud all of a sudden i'm like carlos isn't a snorer and then it dawned on me i was like wait freaking luke showed up and so there was yeah it was just like pinball summer camp before pin masters down there i didn't stay for pin masters but yeah it was a good time but apparently the best house guest of the weekend was none of those it was apparently tom's mother-in-law right that's right that's what i remember hearing in the chat like somehow my mother-in-law stay in the weekend and you had you know five different pinball people all in the basement too so you had a full house actually yeah the the like during nationals i get a text from andy bagwell is there any room at your house and i'm like no okay so they had the they had that tournament and then And because everybody was still there, there were additional tournaments, and pin golf was one of them. And pin golf is a format that I find very appealing. I think that actually looks really cool. I'd suck at it, but it looks like a format I would enjoy. It's exciting. It's fun, yet completely, I don't want to say insane. I can't think of the word. It's really tough. It's tough how IFPA sets them up. Did you have any hole-in-ones? uh in three pin masters i have never had a hole in one what about you travis oh you didn't play you already went uh i played in 2020 and i think i had two or three probably two because i had to save my round because i had a horrible 24 so to explain a bunch of twos if you're listening what it is is every you don't you're not playing against anybody points wise it's every game has a task that you have to achieve and you play as max five goal how many it's always a score in pen master it's always a score so it's not just start this mode right so yeah local tournaments and stuff like that you might you might have an objective such as start multi-ball or like this like that but in pen masters at that level it's always score based that's taken from the scores at nationals so it's like an average of what the players have already done so that's why you might see some scores some holes that are a little bit tougher than others it's kind of never mind i would suck at that i would not i would pay money to see you go and play at pin masters that's the one tournament besides expo i'd want to see you play it's fun in a sense joel because when you're qualifying you're competing against everybody but you're actually like talking to everybody and like well you know like strategy it's almost like you're rooting everybody out which is really fun it's got a different feel to it I'll have to give that a shot that definitely looks cool but yeah any other tournament talk anything else tournament related that you guys want to Zyron from Idaho he's a good kid he's nice I got to meet him and he is like the new blood everybody got to watch him play and he's good he's good pretty good i commentated his first round game at nationals with carlos and it was immediately apparent during the first ball you were just like okay this kid has something that's different something that's unique you know that could develop into something really really good in the future i mean he's already pretty good now but you can see that if he keeps with in a couple years he'll be very tough you said something similar after you watched my my venom streams you know for the hours yeah i'm just yeah i'm floored i i don't know why stern hasn't turned down all your scores now for their march madness thing that they're doing i'm not everything's i'm not qualified yeah yeah just yeah poor eric stone his what four trillion billy mitchell scores out i know that's insane i know and then there was another score that showed up today it was like a massive score that i think was from a batman 66 game somewhere in indiana or somewhere like that like yeah it wasn't me shocker have you tried to play it joel have you tried to put in your ic no no i have not i have not uh i should you're not contributing at all i'm not i'm not helping i'm not gonna pull that average down um i know indiana is doing well but um no honestly if I have time to play pinball and playing Pulp Fiction. This game is, I'm having a lot of fun. Is that not Insider Connected? Uh, let me, no, no. Do you have the profanity on? I had it on during the stream and then I've turned it off since the stream, just in case my kids come down and just hit start at some point. But it's great. What's really cool though, is even with the profanity off, David Thiel, man, it's not like it's just rittered with beeps. Like he, the way that he did the audio, there's certain call outs you don't even realize that he's edited out the profanities like it's it's really well done like really well done uh i pulled up nap arcade real quick just to make sure we didn't forget anything uh tilt bob tilt bob pinball is going to be there's a video of that coming out soon which is um this is that road trip game i don't know if that'll be at texas or not what are you talking about i have no clue i'm just like i'm so out of it it's the Are you saying the mechanism Tilt Bob? No, that's their name. Tilt Bob Pinball is their name. Oh, it's a company name. It's a new company.
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    They've announced and they're making a game based on Road Trip. Based on Road Trip. Yeah. This is. Okay. That's the thing. I was just trying to see if there was anything else we're missing. I think we're good. I think we've covered it all. Oh, Motorhead. Motorhead's pinball is coming. I know Brad. what's the guy, the artist's name? He did all the art in it. Brad Albright. Brad Albright did all the art for Motorhead. So that'll be another game to check out. Nice.
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    Okay, that's all I got. Wait, Motorhead? I'm so lost right now. Motorhead is a band. And who's making that? It's a homebrew by a New Zealand pinhead, David Peck. Dave Peck. but he got Brad Albright to do all the art and he was able to get Spooky Pinball Coder Matt Kemp did the code on it so that's supposed to be there so that'll be fun other things to make sure you stand in line and play you writing that down Tom so you're ready to play it when you get there does that convince you Motorhead Homebrew you know what's actually convinced him was Neil McCrae definitely got my attention Oh, some of the best dinners is with Neil. He's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's it. I think we're good. I think we're good? I think we're good. We still got nine minutes left. We said we were going until 1030. It's 1021.
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    Well, maybe Tom's final words are it's going to be a monologue. You know? We don't know. We haven't done a Tom Talkson forever. I was going to say, you know, Joel completely skipped over Pin Masters, so congratulations to Jason Zahler for winning Pin Masters. Is there any more tournament talk? No, no, you just like 180'd it. I will say, Joel, Zahler had one of the most awesome finishes in recent memory for the way this Godzilla was set up, because it was set up very difficult, and he had to get a hole-in-one to win, which I think the target score was 150,000. and he did this after Escher, I believe, got a hole-in-one also, correct? Oh, wow. And Escher did it in style too. But this actually created one of the most hilarious screen caps I've ever had at a tournament where while Zahler was playing, Escher came up behind and you could see him just peeking over the banner, like nothing but his eyes just like staring and just watching Zahler play. But, no, he did really well. It was exciting to see Jason pull out a victory right there because, I mean, it's like all four competitors are just world class. Yeah, it was insane. It was like Escher. It was a Jared, Raymond. Jared, August, Raymond. Yeah, Gonzaler. Nice. It's crazy. It's like, my God, yeah. Where do I see that? Where do I watch that stream? Is that available? Fox City's Pinball. Yes. Fox City's Pinball. Perfect. Tom Graff. All right. Tom, you want to do Tom Talks? I can hit the button. I thought I just did Tom talks He's got something to say Tom talks He's got nothing to say Tom talks I guess What are you going to ask me? Just overall thoughts On the current state of pinball Where's your head at? You happy with your collection? You know Just lay some truth on us Okay uh overall pinball is good collection is good uh life's good streaming good it's just it's just good
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    I got nothing. That was well said, Tom. Thank you. That was really put together. That was really... Tear to my eye. I thought about that for at least two hours.
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    While he was touching his LE earlier and he said, talk amongst yourself, he was just thinking, man, things are really going good right now. Things are really, really going good. All right, Joel, you ready to take us home? Yeah, let's plug it up. Plug it up. Travis, plug away. uh yeah you guys can find me here on triple drain pinball podcast right here on what the tpn youtube and tpn i guess audio stuff you guys can also see me on what's that podcast thing yeah yeah whatever it is yeah yeah with all the other awesome tpn podcasts that are out there and then also you guys can see me at my actual job over on youtube with the pinball company and then this weekend you guys can see me at the texas pinball festival hopefully making fun of joel keep in mind Barry Ousler did not design taxi and if you do watch any of the pinball company's YouTube videos make sure you wear headphones with both like make sure you have both headphones that was one time he had a video that he forgot to put in stereo and the left speaker is the only thing that works if you're one of those people only rocking the right airpod that video is going to suck because you're not hearing any of it if you're on the right you're going to be like what is going on sorry about you yeah i love it pay me the big bucks yeah yeah yeah yeah that's up everything yeah good luck with your performance review on that one 2024 is the year i'd use both speakers i promise yeah i'm gonna have to ask zach for your job that's what i'm gonna have to do uh tom plug away man uh when i'm not uh with these two idiots uh and triple drain you can find me at fox cities pinball So wonderful. On Twitch and YouTube. Yep. And check out the sweet merch on Silver Ball Swag, Fox City's merch. If anybody, we'd love to see some Triple Drain merch. People keep buying it, which is really cool. And we love that people are supporting us there. And they'll sign it if you ask them. We'll sign whatever you bring us. Lunch boxes. Bring us a taxi manual. Golf towels. Naked lady tees. Whatever you want. Travis will write to Barry and he'll to Barry, Travis Muriel on your taxi owner's manual.
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    No, it'll be great. It'll be great. One mistake, one mistake. And it's never going away. Unbelievable.
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    Really? Drop the ground. Okay. My name is Joel. I do the, the flipping out pinball stream every Wednesday night from 10 to midnight this week. Actually in two days, I'll be streaming Pulp Fiction again. And Josh Sharp, we, I've talked jock sharp into joining the stream. So he's going to tell me all the things that I'm doing wrong. And I know he won't hold back. Just, I know. Just stop. Try. Stop for a second. Over and under how many F bombs? All of them. The real question is, will there be more from, you better talk to Josh. Will there be more F bombs from Josh or from the game? I don't know. So it's going to be a good time. Uh, if you're listening to this after the fact, check it out on YouTube on the flipping out YouTube channel. But yeah, this was a lot of fun. I look forward to seeing everybody at TPF and yeah, the, the song you're going to hear after Tom here is made by Glenn on their saws homebrew. So enjoy that. But yeah, it's going to be a great time. Please come say hi. And yeah, like always Tom, Ron, you, you get the last words. Have fun at Texas pinball festival, everybody.
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    Thank you. you