everyone welcome back everybody that was coverage of Zach McCarthy's amazing win at the indisk main 2025 indisk main open finals uh really really hardfought battle especially coming down from a last place on the first game but it's not over because we have lots of other tournaments to go over especially something uh hot I forgot to mention uh during that interview that was actually the most uh wer points ever earned in a single event oh really 400 points for winning yeah so that's massive that is crazy yeah and I to go on that too Bob Matthews mentioned that this might have been the biggest stat side Classics tournament as far as number of participants that he's seen um what else yeah it was 400 yeah he he it was like just over 400 for winning uh to Zach so that's I before that I think it was um I want to say it was ifpa 19 was like 392 points or something like that but um but yeah this is the the most points ever earned in a single event so soive penberg keeps growing then it's basically goingon to be a battle between the two yeah well that's good because then you'll have match play one that's match play and one that's card which is all I really I would love some variety I understand why they give more of a boost a card it's very hard but man it's I don't want every tournament becoming a card because then it's just like I I I get sort of fatigue out of it but TDS you do your thing I'm happy just to be able to attend so thank you but with that we are going to talk about one of the other tournaments which was the classics Target match play so this was a cap tournament at indisk uh for 120 players and it was a um a bear of a tournament to say the least because uh you want to go ahead and talk about the format and I'll get the footage ready sure yeah so the qualifying format was match play um 3210 uh pin pin scoring um so you uh sorry Target match play yes so um it was the first uh what was it 24 players to hit the target um were qualified for the finals and um with that scoring uh you can't you know fail your way into the finals right you have to finish at least third in each of your games in order to earn any points uh so it's very difficult um I was uh lucky enough to qualify for finals off of a tiebreaker so I think there was uh eight of us who tied for um five spots in the finals so we had a one game tie one full game tiebreaker uh per the 6.1 rules um and we played it on Atlantis which uh was kind of a a thorn to my side all for that entire tournament but um Faithfully was able to qualify off the tiebreaker uh I know there were some jokes about um Richie Terry uh having I think he had a tiebreaker in the a previous year where he was the first player to go and he he tilted his uh his ball uh like ball one or ball two with like a very low score um in that game tilt ends game right so um he was uh the the eighth player to to play in the tie break and uh was able to kind of uh you know see the scores that he needed to beat and uh and get in so yeah yeah it was it was great yeah congratulations man that's not easy I I think through eight I had like seven or eight I had like 15 points I was like okay I just need 10 more I can do this and then it was literally a string of zeros I was like oh my God this is a great way to start but it's not an easy feat because you're going up against a lot of tough players and what was the pairing it was not tiered Swiss what was it um I think it uh was it tiered Swiss it might have been tiered Swiss yeah it the the tournament was run through you know Carl's uh never drain software right so it's I don't know if it was um it it should have been been on the you know the event page somewhere but I believe it was here was yeah it was something new that I hadn't I think done before but again kudos to you got a lot of great Whoppers out of it uh you finished seventh or um I believe it was eighth yes eth overall um and then uh yeah no just just out of finals but um I was really happy with the result and you know got to play against uh Josh sharp in the semis and then and also the eventual winner Conrad who you see on the screen now yeah so knowing what you know about uh um C uh ctmp pros and cons we we've we've gone over that would you do it next year again or would you focus on qualifying because I know some people say that it takes away your time to put in cards for main qualifying because Classics isn't open yet um and that and that's a time that is very valuable yes yes so um that's something that when I was uh you know signing up for the tournament for for indisk um I remember Zach McCarthy chiming he's like hey don't don't sign up for the Target match play it's a trap and someone else even chimed in as well I think it might have been Jared Garvey saying that no one who's ever won indisk played in that classic Target match play um but I mean yeah like you said it's it is a big um time commitment uh because you have the qualifying portion which takes up essentially an entire day right that's all of Thursday for qualifying and then for finals on the following day Friday um I mean depending on how far you go right right that that could take up another good chunk of the day so it is it is going to be a lot of time if um if you do plan on playing in in Classics and uh Maine uh in a card format you know it's those lines only get longer as the days go on right so it's um you definitely have to be kind of picky uh or efficient right exactly and you really have to with the target match play I'm looking at the Whoppers now 16th got 40 points basically so you really do need to get into the playoffs to get a something that will you know not the top 10 but something that may show up on your cards so getting eighth got you 67 points which is awesome but if you're not into the finals you're kind of like okay how many I think I got like seven or so I'm like well you know I could have spent that time putting in a card that with the main open you're getting you you can be top 150 and get much more than the top 10 got here or you know relatively speaking I'm not going to say that's exact but um so yeah so that's that's the trade-off I think I'd do it again next year um I'm going to adjust the way I approach uh the card format for indisk or just how I do my entries so I think uh I think I would do it again just to give it a shot but I I do completely agree with everybody that said it takes away your time and unless you're getting in the finals uh plus then if you get far in the finals you got to get far enough to where the Whoppers matter and your Whoppers per dollar aren't uh aren't aren't too too inefficient so um as we go on to our review of the classics Target match play we had Conrad rustad Ron Hallet Josh sharp and Richie Terry Ron howlet Jr for those of Slam tilt podcast Josh sharp ifp president Conrad is we don't know games on Twitch but also a local Washington player really really doing well he killed it at ypin and then Richie Terry obviously another amazing Washington player um Washington state champion yeah state champ back there you go the back to man the back to backs it's you guys are awesome so game one is Safari as you see on your screen um it is a em typical of the classics not one that people were looking forward to and uh yeah I get why he reminded me of uh oh sorry go ahead no no go you're good yeah the uh the center pop is pretty much dead and I know that was something a point of a conversation among like you know Richie and yeah we saw just a moment ago one of his balls it he was really trying to you know get some up nudges but that pop just would not fire yeah and it's crazy like you had to play two players because it's only a two-player game but the thing I learned about Safari and just general tips are okay you're looking at that Center pop bumper and if it's got enough oomph on it enough Gusto you can get it to shooting where you need to be uh giving yourself a save but it doesn't really do that it just dies on you and um a lot of players you could move this pin a good fair amount but was it enough to get it back on the 2-in flippers probably not so Conrad had the right um strategy I think uh where you look at the mushroom targets around the uh the Playfield and those were worth 100 points each and his ball one he already had 561 points and if you look at by the time Richie's on ball three he had 682 so Conrad uh right out of the gate I think made the right decision his ball one he gets 561 points he hit him five times basically you would shoot up the middle and then you might graze one or two on the way up or one excuse me and then it would come down and hopefully you get some more 100 points but again massive points on the mushroom targets Conrad's ball to he's at 1,381 um his third ball he does more of the same more shots to the mushrooms 2,164 ball four 2,365 and then he got the skill shot which is hitting the right um uh I think it's either either of the upper slings yes either of the upper slings and then you have to get it down the middle but then you look at it and that's only 100 points it's it's great if you get it but it's not really necessary so Conrad ends up with 2,885 um Richie got the skill shot on his ball three but again by then he's got 682 points what's funny is the right upper the upper right lane people were shooting for that but the feed on that the return feed nasty was death so what's the point in my mind obviously looking back on it now we can Monday Morning Quarterback but it was 100 points for that I don't know what the switches were on it so the upper right shot they were shooting because it also opens the gate on the right out lane that's what it is okay on which outlane the right the right right out l so that's I don't know if anyone even drained out of the out very much I don't think I saw one of those either but we've got Josh going up so anyways Richie ends up with 1,773 he got the skill shot twice on his uh game got some solid mushrooms on ball four so he was about 1,142 but by then Conrad's already close to 3,000 so Conrad with a commanding lead um Josh took off his sweater for ball one a prove Strat if you've ever seen one uh we got Ron H coming up for his uh ball one I believe um but Josh had a great great set of uh shots to those mushroom targets ended up with 831 points which again if you look at what Conrad did um he had 561 on ball one but Josh you know focusing on those mushrooms are already halfway towards Richie score on ball one um yep that was something that was mentioned during the commentary too I know zmac was in the booth for these finals and I think it was rid yep um but after each of the balls you know Zac was saying that he's on Pace right yeah so you look at the score per ball and um compared to the you know the top score for the group and as long as you're keeping Pace with the you know the leader that's a a good ball right kind of measure that exactly and they were smart to bring it up because they were like everyone already had a sour face looking that it was Safari as the game and they have to commentate it but then they're like okay what can you do on this you can flail and it was a great point that was brought up you don't want to try to get tricky with the flippers you literally just have to send it because when you have these small flippers and you have no real friction um coming towards you either with the center pop or any sort of Bounce you just want to send it off hit as many mushrooms as you can and pray that you don't end up in the out lane or on the center pop uh which is lit we just oh sorry we just saw also you mentioned Josh sharp he shot the uh that upper right lane Y and it immediately just went and fed the left uh like inlane slout Lane exactly that is kind of what we were seeing uh watching the footage like there was no safe feed from there so you shoot it up there get your gate open but it's coming right back down the middle so so he's on ball three right now he I believe gets a quick ball here yep right down the right drain in the center uh he ends up with 1532 points by his ball three um Ron uh I we can watch this because there's going to be some solid nudging here Ron's at 582 81 points starting his ball um three and he's going to go up eventually but you're going to see him move the pin he he's shaking his boom one there is going to flip it up try to get to that right uh upper right lane um but he really was moving the pin like just some really good bumps right there to keep it safe he actually was able to cradle up here which is amazing um and then it's out the left left out Lan all that all that work for like no points I know that's the crazy thing he making All the Right Moves yeah he was making all the good bumps and nudges that you need to but it didn't reward him and you looked at Conrad's ball uh Conrad's game and it was literally just cuz he was sending it and getting those um getting those uh 100 mushroom targets so Josh on Ball Four uh mushroom to left outlane and he ends up with about 1782 and so he's ahead of Richie on his ball four so he's getting a point at minimum Ron has a really decent Ball Four gets about 560 points um for his troubles and so it comes down to Josh on ball five needing to catch Conrad who's at 2,885 so he's about 113 points away which is a lot yeah which is a lot on this so 10 mushrooms if you can manage it and there's a nice yeah see Ron did not unfortunately have a good finals but he I feel like he really really made some excellent uh pinball moves and I just don't think the games were cooperating with him so yeah I got I got to play against him in the the first round of the finals and he uh he played exceptionally well to you know me and him Advance out of the group but um yeah I think he's really known for his his Classics play really well on on the classics games something else to note um I know when I was rewatching this uh this video there were people in the chat and also I think even the commentators were kind of like questioning the game choice and so like Conrad as the number one seed he was driving the bus for the group um and something a little Insight I know I talked to him while he was kind of or after he had chosen the games for his group and he mentioned um picking Safari because he was like Hey I can't I'm not going to beat these guys on like those other you know really controllable games so I might as well just pick this game see what happens uh I know a few people in chat like yo why did he pick this like this is such a wild card pick you know for a game to play in finals but it it looks like it paid off yeah it's just funny to see the chat during the selection and reveal of safari cuz you got a lot of people watching because it's one of the most viewed pinball events on Twitch and uh you see everybody going who the hell picked this what is this I've never seen this before get this off my screen uh but good job Conrad you know you gota you gotta some gotta sometimes trust yourself I found myself deferring more but um so something else to note though too is with a high seed when you have game picks you're you're actually not able to pick a game that you've already picked in a previous round until all the games have been picked so that was another reason why this game was selected because Conrad having the top seed you know he'd already chosen so many games in previous rounds for his bank of available Games available games to play um was very limited and we'll we'll reveal a special little fact about Conrad um qualifying and entering this tournament at the end but yeah so you saw there with the footage again if you're watching uh please go to you or if you're listening you can also watch the footage along with us at uh first go pinball on YouTube and then shortly after usually in a day or two the pinball network will show the footage um on their YouTube channel which I'm really appreciative of so we get more eyes on this I know it's a nich podcast uh but we really appreciate everybody watching and giving us really good feedback at indisk too um thank you so much to everybody that came up to us and said they enjoyed it uh we always get jokes about how long it is but guess what put it on 3x as you sleep as Los does and you'll you'll enjoy it you'll absorb the information via osmosis so uh don't don't tell you we don't teach you things here uh but next game up is Target pool so before we go on to that um I do want to replay this footage of Target pool because it's very important on what happened during this game I didn't notice it until obviously there was some commotion but your recap of game one Conrad in first with four points Josh sharp in second with two points Richie uh Terry in uh third with one and then Ron Hallet Jr in fourth with zero now we are going to game two of Target pool and the target pool sort of um rules are uh you know from what I understand you collect uh 15 14 of the 15 available numbers so that they're worth the most um have you had experience on target pool I've only played it once that was at pinberry in the previous round um Josh sharp selected the game for us in our group and um so I believe that's what allowed uh Conrad to select the game for this group in the following round but it's something that we did not notice in our game but um it was definitely apparent because I remember looking back at the footage it did happen in our game as well but no one brought up the yeah and kudos to Richie so we're gonna I'm going to let the uh footage play with the Audio I kind of want everybody to watch this so Conrad is going to step up to his ball one and you need to focus on the 6 seven and 8 because something interesting happens with those switches so here we go don't tune away we're still going here at the classics Target match play finals at it never drains in Southern California look at that we're magically already on the next game all right target pool another twoin flipper game so as you saw there he plunged the ball let's see if I can go back just a little again he plunges the ball and the um here it is so he plunges there goes his six when it hits the top uh rubber stop gets down the seven and then the eight goes as well so what happens when you get all three of those yeah so normally you have to get the six seven and eight um which is all the three top Lanes in order to light that pop in the um top center of the game and that's a very important um component of this game because that pop is fairly active and then it's also got right below that pop bumper there are two slingshots which will send the ball up uh into the play field as well so um a big you know priority for the game is to find the plunge and um get those top Lanes in order to light that pop bumper to get you know kind of maximize your points um so we find out that uh that Center seven Lane is actually just spotting um the six and the eight so his pop gets lit after just getting the single Center Top Lane yeah and it's crazy because when you're looking at the scores for this game 100 points is a lot especially up there when you can get like five to six rebounds or hits off the pop just for sending it up there and Conrad was smart he saw it lit and then eventually uh you know from his first ball he had a,2 points by the end of ball two he was already at 2,857 just from literally going I'm sure he hit some other of the 300 so to get 300 points you hit the lit Target right and that's on the center targets the center and the side targets I believe also uh whichever one is lit but I think there's only two at a time that are lit right so you have to kind of hunt them down exactly so a little bit of a um unintentional beneficial malfunction for Conrad because this is single player game so everybody's going on their own uh five ball so five ball game so if you don't know about Target pool again there's bunch of targets it's got ton of standups around Center pop at the top three rollover lanes and then a center Bank of Targets in the middle uh 2-in flippers again uh in Lane out lane standard but if you have that popet that changes your whole strategy you're not going for just the 14 so when you do the 14 of the 15 how much are the standups worth worth while they're um not all reset is that something that's is it like a 100 or I think an unlit Target gives 50 right yeah let me pull this up it's um when it's lit it's 300 and then unlit is 50 50 yes and then each lit number is what 100 I feel like [Music] that's yes I believe so awesome okay so yeah so the the strategy from um uh Classics players like Bob is get the 14 of the 15 and then get your pop and then just keep sending in hope you don't reset the uh lights so Conrad has his game done he's got 4,725 points by ball five a little flipper fumble on Ball Four he went from 1,2 from ball one to ball two 2,857 gets 500 on ball three 700 on ball four and then another 700 on ball five so he is he's in charge and then uh Richie steps up and uh we'll take a look at what Richie does because it's interesting that um he has a very very uh quick ball so he hits the seven it'll wait till he plunges here plunges away so he hits the seven but his eight doesn't doesn't get activated he goes you know up the center off you know rebounding off the right rebounding off the left and eventually Center drain almost had a LZ but what he does notice is his pop isn't lit so he hits the center roll over or the seven and he's like wait a minute yep there I got to tell you something what just happened here so kudos to Richie for noticing it I wouldn't have noticed not it and what's crazy is the commentators didn't notice it until they started rewatching the footage because again Conrad hits the doesn't even hit the six hits the upper leftmost um rubber stop it comes back and then it goes down the seven and is six is already unlit then he gets the 78 so what they did was uh what did they do to uh make it equal for everybody yeah so what they did was they spotted the six seven and eight lanes for the rest of the players um so that Conrad score can stay right he doesn't have to replay a whole game um it kind of legitimizes uh his score but then uh I know something that you know Colin and Zach mentioned in in the commentary Booth is that um Richie kind of gets screwed here because uh his ball one you know he he has to play his ball one without getting that um the Top Lane spotted right yep and another very insightful comment from Colin is that every with every ruling in pinball um you know at least one player will benefit and at least one player will get screwed right I'm so glad you pointed that out yeah yeah that was a really insightful comment and it's like wow I I hadn't really thought of it in terms like that but it's so true yeah because someone has to get it almost feels like someone has to get some sort of negative effect even though you're trying to put everybody in the same player State kind of like a game uh and make the fair ruling I'm glad glad they did this too and that I think you agree with that right making this ruling instead of having Conrad replay everything right yeah it's it's a very uh they mentioned it's a very creative uh solution to a unique problem but um yeah I mean they they have a really strong TD team there so they were able to come up with that and I think it worked out um you know for everyone Fair again a really really good job to everybody at um indisk for uh all their hard work I know we've um mentioned everybody's name uh before but there was also uh some names that I wanted to to make sure we gave kudos to I know uh Carl mentioned it on the stream but there's Dave Hill Dave Zuckerman Dina Fran Jonathan Kate cat Kyle mumi Michael Poo staff media Jean Emoto and Jeff tiolis stream assistants Andrew Goran Brian Dy Derek kareah Jordan Burger Kelly Mona Neil McCrae Raymond Ashby and Rebecca and then game text the uh unsung heroes of the tournament uh Bill long Chun Chuck Casey Dave Hill Dave volansky Hans milberger Jeremy Oaken Matthew tally and then uh the rest of all the volunteers and setup and tear down thank you all for uh your hard work I Know Carl made mention to uh specifically point out his text that really kept everything going so kudos to everybody there so we get through the uh h of of Target pool and it was crazy cuz I didn't understand how Conrad got such a high score until I saw him going for the pops and I was like oh how do you like that I I haven't played Target pool a lot and then I watched it again I'm like holy crap he got like uh the ghost of uh indisk pass like pressing the buttons for him uh and so I'm glad they came up with this but again ball one Richie gets screwed he only had 250 but the only Devil's Advocate I guess you could say is okay this changes your strategy though so now you've got a lit pop all you have to do is what send it as they say so Richie comes up and he starts playing in his ball too uh everything's everyone's getting the pop gper pop pop bumper from the get-go they're minusing the switch hits for the subsequent players the 30 or 40 whatever it is his pop was lit and he ends up on his ball too with 2,431 points as you see here so he's already caught up to Conrad for the most part you know getting closer uh where his ball two was um ball three he unfortunately has a small uh flipper fumble on the catch and um he ends up with 2,921 points but then is ball four absolutely Monster Ball Four he gets to uh 44 4,443 points he went for the center bank at the end but unfortunately that just goes straight down the middle it's such a um tough tough shot to to kind of gauge because you've got your 300 Point lit Target there but I don't I honestly think if I was in this situation not that I was and these guys are playing better than me um but I think I would have kept sending it even with the temptation of the center uh 300 Target what do you think yeah uh I mean the it is I know this is a game that has the shorter mini flippers but um surprisingly they were pretty controllable like you could drop catch on this game um a lot of times if it's feeding an in lanane you can ski pass over um so I mean it's it's pretty situational but like you said it's kind of a sended up top all day kind of game um something else uh worth noting so I I did look at the uh the rule sheet and getting all 15 numbers it changes the value of your in lanes and outlanes from 100 points to special oh which um in tournament mode special is nothing useless so yeah so you you basically want to keep those uh you know like you said the 14 out of the 15 numbers lit um so that you get points from even from trining from an out lane nice yeah and so you know there's no bonus so Richie ball five gets the beneficial or because he noted The Beneficial malfunction for Conrad understands the strategy and his ball five he takes over first with the extra pop hits he gets 4,987 um so then we go up to Josh and Josh is uh saying hi to his son there as he does now he facetimes his kid and uh G gives him a little bit of good luck I love that I love that Strat get the good Aura from our kids and so Josh has some fast play on ball one um we'll kind of go through a little bit of this because it's sort of the same Strat now so as you can see everybody's getting 678 taken down your pop uh is worth a th000 so Josh is on his ball too I wanted to show this he had a really I don't have the time stamp but he had a really good ski pass with 6in flippers uh which was awesome or excuse me two inch flippers so we just saw it on the screen it just showed up awesome so yeah he's by his ball to he's at 2026 as you said we're keeping up with the pace of everybody try to maintain um and his ball four is absolutely excellent he had gets a ton of Pop love gets some 300 hits and by the time he's done with all four he's at 4,769 so he's right there he's already passed Conrad and Richie guaranteed two points now he just has to pad the lead so Ron doesn't uh catch him and he ends up with 5,000 I think I think he was just short of Richie so that's why's you kind of see the video he's asking what the scores are so he knows kind of what he needs to get good correction thank you I was looking at Richie's ball Force score he's at 4,987 so he needed 200 18 points and you get which he immediately got from the pop on the train ex punch exactly that's he had a good plunge CU on his next game his plunges weren't working as well so it's good that he had it on this game he ends up with 5,329 so then um we've got Ron coming up for his uh ball uh Game On Target pool you can see them the Tex taking off the uh taking off the glass using their little tool to give him the 100 pop unfortunately for Ron uh ball one 453 points had a little tip sort of flip that he couldn't save um quick drain on ball two for uh 613 points ball three gets the pop to the left out Lane right down he's at 923 he had a better ball on ball four um I think that's where we are here he missed the flip but you know at least he got some points out of it um he got about 500 or so 504 he ends see him moving the again he was making All the Right Moves and I you know it's not that you feel bad because they're in the finals and they're great players but you kind of want to give them an opportunity to play everybody always says if you have the one thing that you could uh sort of display as the common complaint is I just want to be able to flip just let me flip and I'll I'll be happy but everybody gets a house ball so so Ron ends up with 14427 points um he almost had a save there I thought I thought he he might have had that but his last ball he ends see oh sorry you see him kind of test The Flipper so something else I remember from this game or this copy specifically that left flipper button was kind of uh inlaid into the um the side of the cabinet so you really had to be intentional with with pushing the button okay it kind of looks like he he may have missed the you know the flipper button there took a little more Force then to make sure that see that's that's the good sort of info that you don't even get unless you're playing that or you're you know coming into the finals hopefully added on a prior round and so that's sort of the things you learn in tournaments because you're not going to get a chance to play everything for the most part so um Conrad choosing Safari Target full uh you know that time it didn't work out for him as much but he still got a point which is crucial uh so Josh in first with four points gets him six Richie in second with two gets him three in third with one gives him five and Ron unfortunately is knocked out of winning the 2025 Classics Target match play uh with another zero so we I know sorry real quick the I think Josh won the game with 5,300 points yes the in the previous round in the semis he rolled the game he put up like I think it was like 1,300 points so it really I remember Adam was in the booth for that round and he was was saying that they should just put that video on pinball videos as the the torial it was just a master class in in in I want to watch it now to see if he got any of the 678 spotted uh because that oh yeah I'm I'm sure it was it just uh but but still I mean to roll this game is is pretty incredible oh yeah I think um did Deborah do it at penberg I feel like she did in one of our I think she did um because I remember watching or no maybe it was Zoe Zoe or Deborah one of them rolled the yes rolled it was awesome so good job Josh you continue to hot streak on target pool so we've got Jack's open now what do we know about Jack's open it's a sort of progression on the rollovers and I want you to take a look at Conrad right now because the footage show him shows him I'm going to replay that real quick so and we'll have the commentators announce what he's doing and why it's important um but with Jack's open one of the biggest things you need is getting those rollover lanes because that sets up the value of your targets down below and here's Conrad everyone involved in indisk as well all right we're on the oh this looks familiar we just played this in the tiebreak tiebreaker game and full three in of flipper and this this is not the uh lucky hand where you can start getting 50,000 Point uh Wows this is all this is just classic Jacks open where you he got three lanes on from the plunge now that this was legit there was no spotting that that it was legit wizard mode activated so that is awesome for Conrad because his drops are now worth uh what is it three or 3,000 3,000 it might be 4,000 yeah you're right so and it's amazing because you spend you try to spend as little of the balls as you can getting up there and progressing and you don't want to hit that fourth one like he almost did there and the announcers are like oh Conrad don't hit that last one cuz then it resets uh your value but the other part of Jack open is what the uh cards on the bottom and yes so oh sorry no no you're good you're good yeah so you you basically want to do the opposite of what it's telling you to do so with the Queens you know you're shooting if you shoot the three queens it will reset the bank um but you want to keep shooting you want to do the opposite because you want to shoot as many targets as you can for that you know the value that you have um from the top Lanes um in this case it's 4,000 per drop um and then also in traditional em fashion um if you shoot two Targets at once it's only gonna give you credit for one of those targets exactly it's like volum the EM reels just don't keep up as you know as quickly as like a digital display wood get with the times em no I'm just kiding right but yeah no that is exactly the strategy that they were mentioning you really just want to drop as many targets as you can down there and this one is very particular because you've got that little exit out of the in Lanes on the left and right so you don't want to shake it too much because what happens tilt ends game on this and we are unfortunately going to see that from one of our contestants but Conrad here um just literally picking things off and this was five ball so uh he cleared three of the four rollovers on ball one and you know it it does take luck to get that I don't think there was um a ton of movement up there but you take what you get picked off a ton of drops um he ends up with 33,8 190 by ball one he almost hit that last roll over on ball two uh to reset the drops but luckily he didn't he's at 41,100 points and ball three really good nudge to save um the from the left outlane Nook uh ends up with 60,000 after ball three 20,000 points on Ball Four for 79,90 and then he almost cleared his third set of cards on ball five he's sitting at 95,0 90 points which is a really good score I know you had to sort of roll it to be in contention during qualifying but it wasn't or um during the the match play session but like Raymond said it's not lucky hand where you have the 50,000 Wows which can go crazy for you so Richie um an unfortunate controlled catch sends it up the left out lane which is something that the announcers has mentioned uh you have to be careful with your catches on this because if you catch it incorrectly it'll roll up right to that little Nook on each uh in lane and then send you send send you into your next ball so Richie with 7,220 points after ball one second roll over clears but he missed the catch on ball two so he's at 12,550 now he's on ball three this screamer comes down the uh left out Lane right there boom it's over like there's nothing you can really do with that yeah he's already over halfway through his game he's at close to 20,000 points much better ball on um Ball Four as you can see he goes uh clears a lot of his drops he's got two down so those are worth 3,000 each and uh he's just so which what are you trying not to clear you're not trying not to clear the Jacks then right or are you I mean for this Bank uh since he has the Jacks lit once he clears the Jacks it will reset the drops okay but so if you you know if you can hit all the other targets continue to shoot them until until you know they clear and then it resets gotcha so go for everything but what what telling you to do exactly okay so Richie has um 43760 by the time he is on his ball five so he's got a ways to go he needs um 52,000 53 51,000 to catch Conrad more than double his score yeah basically exactly and he's got his third rollover up there so he's got a chance to pick everything off um we're extra ball BS there weren't up and he tilts so he caught the right outlan and just tilts it out so might as well yeah he's at 57370 um so Josh is going to step up so we're going to get um Josh sharp on the game right now here he is with his ball W some really really nice saves he had one rollover and he managed to turn that into 16 almost 177,000 points which if you're taking score at home that's about eight or uh you seven or eight drops minus whatever ever else you're hitting uh but his ball to is really where um he comes into play as far as catching up on and pacing Conrad so by ball two Josh is still only has one rollover and they were mentioning it you know in the announce Booth you know you got to you got to plunge correctly there to at least get your second one so everything can be worth 3,000 and if you look he has such a great ball but he was working with the 2,000 um special 2,000 value there so he's he's he's working and he ends up with