you keep tuning in we're not sure why but we'll keep doing it it's the poor man's pinball podcast hello everyone and thank you for joining us for episode eight the episode where we drink and kick ass with a guest that's right we have a guest today uh today's guest is ryan kuiper you can see him on Twitch as TurboBreath07. Ladies, try to keep your panties on. Let's all welcome our newest guest, Ryan. Welcome, Ryan. Thank you. Welcome. You make me feel like I'm... Welcome. He is welcome. In traditional poor man style. Drew, what are you drinking today? Today I'm drinking something different. Not much different, but a little different. You're not drinking anything different? What is that? That's not whiskey? It is whiskey. However, I'm drinking some new stuff I came across. It's just, it's carbonated water. It's like, it's called Buble, like Michael Buble. But yeah, it's lime flavored. I love the lime. So lime, Buble, Kepler, and ice. Buble is different. We have some Michael Buble today. Oh, shit. That's awesome. I love it. Can you add it in some Michael Bublé music? I don't even know what that is. It's already editing. It's not going in. Can't you hear? Beautiful. Oh, man. What are you drinking today, Ryan? I'm double fisting Zima and a fuzzy navel wine cooler. Yeah, it's delicious. That's a good look. That's a good look. I'm nursing a rock star because it was a long weekend. Yeah, that happens here at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. I woke up today and thought, oh no, I have to go to work now. That's the worst feeling in the world. I have that feeling all the time, even though I barely work. It's the nightmare that keeps me alive, that's for sure. Oh, man. I'm not a big fan of work, no. And what about you, Ian? What's you drinking? Today is, we're going Johnny Walker Black Label. It's like episode, I think, one is where I pop my Johnny Walker. When did you get all fancy? and expensive on us. It was a gift. Got it. I didn't pay for that. That makes sense. Oh, Drew's still a poor man. But Newsfront, Newsfront, Newsflash, news, news, news. I don't know. I'm just starting to make things up now. Drew, tell us. Do you have a new baby in your house? Because last week we were talking about you might have gotten rid of Metallica. Am I right here? It happened. the last week because of this Ryan guy sitting next to me. I go to his house and I play. I'm an influencer. Are you a social media influencer? Yeah, but I don't get paid for it. I don't know. I've got to figure out what they're doing. Yeah, probably. Ryan is more than just an influencer, but we can get into that later. We will shortly. Yep, the Metallica went out the door. I traded it for a Hobbit Gold Smog Edition. Good choice. Oh, man. Kind of fit it that way. Gold Smog. And I'm loving it. I have a couple of small issues that I get worked out. It's under warranty. It was a game show game. And loving it, man. Great game. I was telling Ryan just a little while ago, I don't miss Metallica at all. Yeah, what was it? The Opto Boards were malfunctioning. Yeah, and the trough. there's the little opto board it was kind of flaky and it's ending the ball a little early but I'm getting a new board shipped this week and everything will be fine JJP is taking care of their customers they do Ryan you have a couple JJP games you ever have any issues with them? not with the Hobbit but I did with Dialed In ok nothing crazy my phone on Dialed In like went blurry and pastel-like. Were you drinking when that happened? No. That's how I knew something was wrong. Got it. But they sent a new phone. Boom. Free. No big deal. Yeah. It was an easy unplug, re-plug. A couple screws, re-bolt it back down. No big deal. It seems to me like a lot of these companies they're good at customer service, which is awesome. Yeah, that 90-day warranty is kind of meh, tongue-in-cheek almost. It seems like they'll never They're going to take care of you regardless of the 90-day warranty. And Stern is, what, 60 days, I think. Yeah, it's something like that. But I've never had a problem with Stern, but the people who I do know who have had problems said they handle it and no problems. And so, you know, good on all you companies that you guys are taking care of your customers. So, you know, the whole warranty thing, I guess it's just legal mumble jumbo. But, yeah, good job to all you guys. Well, they're trying to have a reputation. Yeah, yeah. No, that's awesome. I'm really glad to hear that part of it. But, yeah, we'll see, and I'll update you guys once I get it in. Like I said, most games are fine, but occasionally, like I said, the ball ends early, and that will be fixed this week. Speaking of Stern, Drew, what else you got for us? Oh, I got lots of stuff going on this week. This is why Ryan is not only an influencer, but he's a motherfucker. Yeah. He's a detriment to my family and my finances. Your life will be over, Ryan. So we go and we stream with Mr. TurboGrafx-7 here last week. Was it two weeks ago? Two weeks ago, but it was magic. It was awesome. And I've been looking at Simpsons for a while, and I'm like, yep, I've played it now a bunch. I like it. I talked to him about it off camera, and it was just great. And I bought one, and it's coming. It's coming home, baby. Yep, it's getting shipped as we speak from California. Oh, man, it's coming home. I love it. Two bolster games. Yep. Both coded by Keith P. Johnson. Yes. It's perfect. And we're both in your basement. Max is a loader. Oh, man. He might get another Metallica just because you have one. Oh, Jesus. Wow, I do love it. No, I don't like it. Yours has a broken foot. I'm sparky. I've got to replace it. Oh, okay, you've got to replace it. What games has Keith P. Johnson done? You want to remind the audience here? He's got a lot of good ones out there. Lord of the Rings, Central Pinball Party, World Poker Tour. I believe he did Wheel of Fortune. And World Poker Tour and Wheel of Fortune are two of those underrated games where they're just fun. World Poker Tour is great. And Wheel of Fortune was never finished. Is that correct? As I understand it, he did not get as much done as he would like to. It's a very unique layout. Sure. It's very cool. He did Wizard of Oz, Hobbit, Pirates of the Caribbean, JJP, obviously. Man, that's quite a list of games. Yeah, they're great. And he doesn't get as much accolades as some of the other guys, really, right? It seems like everyone pits Keith against Lyman. Okay. As far as, like, pinball magic and code. Sure, sure. Yeah, because you've got Walking Dead, you've got Metallica, you've got ACDC. Batman 66. Yeah, you've got some heavy hitters there, but what you mentioned first with Keith P. Johnson, that's pretty amazing. I mean, that's a great lineup. And you have that lineup in your house. I mean, I don't have Waz, which I would love to have Waz in there. There's one game I don't have. It's Waz. Shame on you, sir, that doesn't have another JJP in your basement. Oh, gosh. Oh, no. One day. Is he your favorite coder, then? I would say so. Okay. I mean, and that's not to take away from everybody else. No. Metallica is still my favorite game Monster Bash, Attack from Mars oh yes he pointed at my Monster Bash everybody out there at home I'm just a proud owner he pointed at my one machine I'm a proud owner yeah I mean Medieval Madness 2 the guy's done some amazing stuff and that's not including everybody else no there's a lot of great coders and designers out there I think he's just a little understated compared to a lot of the other guys. The thing I like about his stuff is for what you're paying for games now, you're getting your money's worth. He's got stuff I'm like, I'm never going to get to that. I'm fine with that, but it's that carrot that's always there that I know, okay, it's something I can shoot for. And we need more of that. A lot of people have been talking about these new games I mean, we know they're going our route, but there's also a lot going into homes. You know, they should really have two different stories in these games, right? The quick and easy game you can put on a route, but then you can switch it to a different mode altogether for the home. Deidre, are you listening? Yeah, anybody. I mean, wouldn't that be great, right? Where you could change the setting and change the game. It's kind of what people are griping about monsters is they're saying it's so shallow. So I don't, I mean, maybe that's the case. I enjoy it. I like playing on location. It's fun to shoot. It's fun to shoot. I play it in league. Would I buy one? No, I wouldn't buy one. But there's a lot of games I wouldn't buy, and there's a lot of games I would like to buy, but I just, I need so much money. Did you see Monster? Yeah. Did you see Monster's shout-out to number eight today in the Pinside Top 100? Eight. Eight. I give people eight reasons not to buy one. Oh, man. I couldn't believe it. It was dwindling down in like the 30s and 40s, and then today it was like 8.4 or whatever it is. But it jumped up in the top 10, and I was like, yeah. And if people know, Munsters does nothing for me. There is not one bit. I love how it shoots, and I love the art. But that's where it just, after that, it's over. Oh, yeah. Franchi is a goddamn stud. Franchi watch. Campy TV show, Campy pin, it's fun. It's a fun pin. We can all agree on that. But a fun pin that has a shallow rule set and you might get bored with it after a while, it's just not going to make it in a home collection, I don't think. I mean, I know people who have it, and it'll stay. It depends on the collection size, but for people like us who are buying games, I think we kind of forget about the location stuff. And that's where SternShine is making the pro model stuff for locations. I've said that a hundred times. The Deadpools and the Guardians of the Galaxy of the World, you can't beat those on location, let's be honest. Star Wars. Yeah, Ghostbusters, all that stuff. The theme draws people in, the casuals. And, like, you go to round one here. That's all it is. Yeah, it's those kinds of games from Stern, and people gravitate to them. So for all you Stern haters out there, and there are some, that's all I got to say to you guys because that's the reality of their business, and they're very smart, and that's what they're doing. I mean, I'll say this, too. I was at a family function a couple weekends ago, Yeah, we got into talking about one of my uncles is a huge Beatles fan, right? So we're talking about the Beatles pinball machine and how expensive that was. But it wasn't until I started my usual rant about how pinball machine themes tend to be skewing a little bit older. And I said, I just dropped Munsters. And all of a sudden, I got four uncles, my dad, and a couple of aunts going, They just released the Munsters machine. They were more excited about the fucking Munsters than, well, you know, as most things, I guess, when we talk in the family setting. Well, there you go. It was out of control. And that whole generation just... They're in their 50s and 60s, right? You better believe it, though. Okay. So, we're here a bunch of young bucks here, and we're like... My lungs are like old man. We're like Munsters. eh. We're young at heart, motherfucker. Well, that's the case. Let's get excited. But generally speaking, the older you are, the more money you have. Absolutely. So that's, once again, that's what makes Stern, Stern. Yep. Truly. What'd you think about Slaughter Rage? Ryan. I was looking at Ryan and everybody. We talked about that, Ian. Ryan, it's your turn. I'm just curious of what he thought, his impressions. Well, I knew you were talking to me because I could see the seductiveness in your eyes when you looked at me. Ooh, he is one of us. It was the black label, folks. Johnny Walker eyes. I like it. Played both versions of MGC. Which one did you like better, if I have to ask, because we know the answer to that question. You don't necessarily know. He might like it light and fast. It all depends on your style of play. I think they play differently. Are we still talking about pinball? Sort of rage, brother. Yeah, sorry. Oh, man. Give us two pros and two cons to each one. Give me a number. Yeah, we're going to challenge him here today. If you don't do two, it's incomplete. That's an F, motherfucker. You know, price comes into play. Okay. That's a pro. For the pro. This could kind of be... Well, for you, man, let's throw it this way. Would you No no no I was just going to help him out We're going to all powwow together Is it worth the extra Couple thousand dollars for that extra Playfield That top playfield For you with the one mech that's a three ball locking mech They got a flipper up there What else they got a drop target right No it's just a stand up up there right Yeah The ball lock Drop target And another Isn't there one drop target on the premium to go back up on the left orbit? I think there's a vertical up here on the left side with a drop target blocking it. Let's just say it is. Is that worth a few extra thousand to you? Or do you enjoy... We're talking about a literal $2,000. Are you content with the... Hang on. Sidebar here. $2,000 and I'm holding my hands here like a football. I'm holding a plastic piece of Lexan with a flipper on it and a little metal piece. Really, that's what we're talking about, right? Are you – oh, I get it. You're showing me this, and you're like, will you pay me $2,000 for this in New York? And I go, no. God damn it, but you throw it in a box with lights, and I'm like, hey, it shoots pretty good at that price. Anyway, Ryan. I think if I were to, if I'm not buying one, either model, I'm not getting one. Okay. I'm not saying it's a bad game. It's just there's other things I'd rather have and spend my money on right now. I'm with you there. If I were to buy one, I think I actually would go premium. I think they both play totally different. Yep. If I was an operator, though, I would go pro. And that's money aside. Yep. Because once again, people don't realize there's a lot of casuals out there that have no idea about our nerdiness about an upper play field and a lock. Let's be honest. They just want a fun game to play. Speaking of casuals, I was talking over the weekend with a couple people about Black Knight. You put that in a lineup with Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Deadpool. What game are people going to go to? They don't know Black Knight. God, it's like talking to a second Drew. Ryan, I'm so sad now. All righty. That's awesome. To a second Drew. Ryan, I love you when you marry me. Sorry, Sue and Kathleen, my wife and his wife. What fucking Twilight Zone did I join? This is a nightmare for me now. I mean, that's the thing. Like, casuals barely know how to turn a game on. Casuals will put five bucks in the game, drain two balls and walk away and leave literally five crudges in there. No, but what you said is, I was saying that, that Star Wars will bring a casual, and Black Knight, they might look at it and just say, what the fuck is this? Yeah. Honestly. I mean, it does look cool. Sure. I mean, aesthetically. I mean, the Knight's cool. And the sound. I don't care if you're into Anthrax or not. Is that how it sounds to you? I can close my eyes and picture the Black Knight in hell. Yeah, it's beautiful, man. One more time. So, okay. So you won't buy it, but is the premium worth? Let's ask you this. Is the premium $7,500 in value? Can we just give a thumbs up or a thumbs down? I'll say this. Is the Pro a Black Knight without the upper play field? and the purists say no and even some other pinball people you know we didn't grow up with the black necks we're a little younger but no it's not right it go ahead Ian I don't know I don't give a fuck I just wanted a good stern playing game we all did not that it doesn't play good but it is it's it's so barren it's fast because there's nothing on it we talked about it last week but I don't know I was just curious what Ryan had to say. Okay. He's kind of right there with you, though. I'm more positive than negative on the game as a whole. It's just, it's not something I'm like, yep, I'm getting that. If you're positive, you're not going to fit in. No, no, that's not true at all. Hey, no, I'm really high on the premium. Like we said last episode, the premium should be the pro. Yeah. I would be in, well, I probably wouldn't buy it anyway, but I would, that is a complete package game. That was my point. And I love that game. $6,000, I would buy the upper play field and be happy. And that's a great game. And they should have added on to that to be that premium, I feel. And my opinion on Black Knight, the series, this one would be the one I would get if I had to get one. The first one is fine for what it is. It's, you know, first game with two upper-lower play field. It was like one of the first games with like a ramp, right? I think so. Yeah, because that's how you got to the upper play field, and that was a ramp. Black Knight 2000, to me, killer soundtrack. I mean, it's awesome. Totally memorable, but it's kind of boring to me. Yeah, it's a one-trick pony. It's a right-flipper heavy game. And once again, they're catering to maybe a little bit older audience that grew up with that. Well, that's absolutely right. That is a whole demographic of pinballers out there that that first original Black Knight is what got them into it. And that's just how that... The very first game I can remember is Black Knight. So speaking of that, that's a great segue into what got you into pinball, Mr. Ryan. Oh. Segue. We're getting better at those. Did I segue myself? Yeah. You segue yourself. That sounds sexy. Sure as fuck wasn't us. I don't even know what segue means. I just say words. Drew, don't lie to the folks. You pulled up at my house in a spank way. He pulled out his whiskey out of his fanny pack and said, fucking let's roll. Give us a dime tour in the two minute how you got into pinball. I mean, like everybody else, as an 80s kid in the arcades, Ladd's Castle, Tilt, all that stuff. Did you have a fanny pack? Only on vacations. Okay. That's a vacation thing, dude. And around the house. um it's like keep your condom somewhere yeah you know you go to bowling alleys mom and dad go play be bowling yep here's some here's a couple bucks go play yes and it wasn't in dollars it was quarters yeah here's a pile of quarters exactly yeah so you know that's kind of my the bulk of my childhood experience with pinball um but mostly arcades mostly arcades and bowling alleys and a couple you know roller skating rinks might have a couple sure um And then after arcades died, that was kind of the end of my pinball until probably five years ago. Playing PS4, was bored, just scrolling through the games online, saw Pinball Arcade. And I was like, hmm, pinball, interesting. Didn't even know what it was, just clicked on it. Oh, it's free. Even better. One of the games that they gave you was Totem. And I'm like, what a start. Yeah. What a drug to get you. Nice, nice pre-based. Yeah. They know what they're doing. Hey, kid, take this totem. You're going to be awesome. And the funny thing is, like, I never played one. And I'm like, I didn't even realize it was a real table, except that I recognized Williams. Oh, sure. That's cool. You thought it was just like a video game. Yeah, because it was all, it was like, it's pinball, but he recognized Williams being. No, I know. But see, That just shows you how great Williams' tables were. It seems like it was like... Williams is a coal, I think, is what that story is about. Oh, man. You know, because they were on fucking fire. They were. At the end of the 90s. Mid to 90s. If you put a Stern table from, like, the last five years on there, kids are like, what the fuck is this shit? Right. Well, name a Williams game before, like, fucking Mortal Kombat, you know? Oh, true. Yeah. Mortal Kombat kind of put them on the map a little bit. I know they've been around for a long time. Yeah. Bubbles is a Williams game. Yeah. Anyway, move past it. Okay. Move past that. I'm getting out of that. Anyways. I'm not editing that. So then I was like, what are our games around here? And I see like Adam's Family and Funhouse and Meat of a Madness. I'm like, oh my gosh, I remember all these from the arcade. Sorry, just a little sidebar because what do you think of Funhouse? Oh, motherfucker, I knew you were going to say that. What do I? I love it. Oh, man. Right on our best friends. Because, Ian. For fucking sake. One, I've never really played it live. I've always played it on Pinball Arcade. And two, fuck that little weird creepy looking thing. Oh, Rudy? Do I love him? Oh, man. The creepier the better. Yes, thank you. Fucking, he has a name? Rudy. I know he has a name, guys. I'm joking. Dude, I've seen him. But he talks like he's real. He's not real. Oh, man, that's fucking Rudy. He's my best friend. Hey, don't talk about Rudy. He's pretty sweet. Oh, fuck Rudy. I've seen some Rudys that were like painted crazy. I have too. Oh, the crazy clown one. Oh, no, it's creepy. That I would never do. Yeah, that's kind of like, oh, boy. This is across the line. We're getting to certain parts of... We're getting dark in here today, guys. Some pinball doesn't need to happen that way. Oh, man. So anyways, so you're playing Soten. You're playing these games. and how do you buy your first machine? Yeah, what was the first machine? So I'm playing all these games and I'm hooked, and I'm like, you know what? I think I have to buy a game. I have to. That's what he told his wife. That's a big fucking jump from a free tote into a fucking pinball machine. He's not going to marry him. Just kidding. Ryan is on his fourth wife. No, I'm joking. I'm joking. Sue, I love you. We love you, Sue. So, I said to her, I said, why don't you play some of these games? Oh, I love that. So, I get her playing some of the Pinball Arcade. And she's like, oh, this is fun and this and that. And I'm like, you know what? Rookie mistake. Yeah, you don't need to do it. We've got to buy a game now. We have to. You are a manipulative son of a bitch, man. Are you kidding me? My wife would have thought right through that. You've got to lure me. Come on, sit down with me. We're playing games. True, your wife is one of a kind, though, so don't worry. Most of that shit wouldn't work on your wife. Kathleen, that you are. Okay, anyways. So she's like. She doesn't listen to us. No. Okay, fine. You can get a game. Get a game. Get a game. Now, remember, I asked and said, I think we need to get a game. Does she know how much these games are? Not at first. No woman does. You won't tell her. So in my mind I said, okay, I'm going to get a Monster Bash or a Meat of a Madness. Two good choices. That's what I had in my heart. Right out of the fucking gate. This is five years ago, roughly? Yeah, about five years ago. So probably like $3,000 to $4,000 each? No, more than that. Five to six? They were even higher. Five years ago? They might have been eight or nine back then. This was before the remakes. Okay, before the remakes. I mean, before that they were a lot. So I'm like, I don't care. I'm doing it. I'm hooked. This is happening. And so I'm like on pin side, and I'm just scouring, scouring, scouring, scouring. And I don't know anybody locally at all. I'm just lone wolf just about to make a mess. Lone wolf. I love that. Ryan, you're a man. All of a sudden, I come across a Simpsons pinball party not far from where I work. And I'm like, I like the Simpsons. and I like pinball and I played that game once. And it's a party. Yeah. So I'm looking at the pictures and... Hey, wife. Do you like Simpsons? How do you sit down and binge watch a Simpsons for a minute? Oh, man. Do you like party? Maniculative motherfucker. Yeah, I like Simpsons. Yeah, I like party. And surprise, I already bought it. So I contacted the guy, and I said, hey, do you mind if I swing by after work one of these days and look at it? I don't work too far from where you live. Yeah, no problem. Come over whenever you want. I'm like, well, how about today? Fine, great. Whenever you want. I'll be there in three minutes. I'm outside your house. I'm at work on my computer. I'm looking at the pictures. I know what I'm doing, and I'm like, let me see these pictures. Oh, my gosh. Okay, this looks great. So I texted my wife, and I said, I'm going to be a little late today. Oh, yeah. And she's like, why? And I said, I've got to see something. You've got to see about a guy at a party. Yeah, she's like, what are you talking about? I said, I'll tell you when I'm done. A person's party. So I go in and look at it, and the guy had it in his garage. And he's like, all right, here you go. And I'm playing it, and I'm like, all right, this is cool. Like, the second you hit the flipper buttons, you're just like, oh, man. But I don't know what to look for in a game. But you hit the flipper buttons, your pants rise, you're in. Oh, totally. Totally, totally. Because the game was in great shape, it had the color D&D, it was LED, blah, blah, blah. But, like, I don't know what to look for when shopping for a pinball machine. I don't know, like, look at the boards. Is there battery damage? I know none of this stuff. You're like pretty lights in a box. Yeah, right? That's how Drew still buys his machines. I bought one in California, right on Steam. Jesus Christ, it's coming to my house. Drew's rolling the dice. Yeah, Drew's trying to meet full LEDs. Yeah, they all are. I'm into Brick, but it's got LEDs in it. Brian, continue, sir. It's got a cabinet. So I said, you're pretty hard on the price. He goes, well, I'll do $4,400. And I'm like, I'm going to talk to my wife, and I'll talk to you tomorrow, sir. So I come home, and I said, I looked at a pinball machine. And she's like, what? And I like remember how I said I wanted to get a pinball machine You were saying you liked The Simpsons Yeah He got to write a book Things you should say to your wife Said nobody ever Jesus He's like, well, how much is it? And I said, well, it's a little bit of money and I'm like, it's $4,400. He's like, are you kidding me? And I said, why would I lie about that? It's $4,400. This is a great thing to bring in our home for our children. Our children. We didn't even have kids at the time. We had no kids at the time. We had no kids at the time. That's the best part. Yeah. So she's, fine, fine, do your thing. So I called the guy up and said, hey, we're going to take it. I go get it, bring it home. And had no problems at all with the whole game, ever. It's been amazing. We played it. Is that the one? Is that the one you played? That's the one. Wow. Cool, man. Now, in retrospect, I am extremely lucky. Well, I should back up a little bit, too. I'll trade you a crapshoot from California for yours. That's tempting. Sounds like a deal. Ryan, there is full LEDs on this one. Yeah. Mine are fillfully LED, too, but yours sound better. They're from California. Somehow they're California. The guy was selling them in the back of his van with candy. How could I have said no? I did. This is a total rookie move, too. I told the guy, I don't know what I'm doing. This is my first pinball machine. So instead of saying, you're a sucker, he's like, I'm going to hold you by the hand because I feel bad for you. Oh, he told me this is a great story. So he, like, showed me what to look for in a game and totally was so awesome about it. The dude's got an awesome collection to this day. Do you still talk to this guy? Not really. He's not really active on Pinside a whole lot unless he's buying and selling, but he's not in any leagues or anything. Okay. But the good on him. Oh, totally. I mean, like I said, it could have been the worst experience ever, and I would have hated pinball after that, but, like, it just worked out great. I didn't even really understand the rules of the game. I was like, it's The Simpsons. I played this once in my life, and this game is not broken, so I'm going to buy it. Can I make a broad statement here? Most people that we've come across in pinball have been pretty good. Awesome. Right? There's a few douchebags in every walk of life. We can all agree on that. But, yeah, the first used pin I bought was Last Action Hero down in Rockford. Same thing. This guy bought them, fixed them. He knew everything about them. he's talking all this technical knowledge I knew nothing about but he walked me through it and that's cool can I also add something to that I agree with you 100% I almost feel like remember when we got into arcade machines and it was like everyone was so fucking cool and I was like this is the greatest hobby but then all of a sudden it turned there was like a weird it turned into tourist season all of a sudden now I'm haggling over a Popeye you know. And that's why the PendoCab that I'm trying to sell for a good price and oh there's a cigarette burn on the control panel. I wanted to choke that guy out. I was like bro that's battle damage. It was on location. Cigarette burns. I love those things. On arcade games they are. They're like a badge of honor. Yeah right at the passage man. But so far now Drew and I what two or three years in it's been amazing. It's been absolutely fucking amazing. There are very few people in the pinball hobby that I can point to and say, yeah, this guy's a douchebag or this or that. I haven't met any, I don't think, you know? I've come across someone. Ryan's gonna ruin us. Ryan goes, I came across two dudes. No, no, no. And their names are? So there's a guy who I came across and I wouldn't call him a d-bag. First and last name, address, please? Nope, nope, nope. He's a gentleman. You totally missed the joke that I was referring to us. Did you notice that? No, I got it. Ryan will tell those stories next week when he goes, yep, I met a couple of D-bands in the pinball industry, and they live in South Milwaukee. Ryan just likes to stream with us because we're worse than he is at pinball. No, no, not true. Makes him look good. Anyway, go ahead. Douchebag. He wasn't. Douchebag's too strong. All right. Not a douchebag. Give us a less strong word. man how do you do it eccentric or douchebag light douchebag light i guess maybe tampon satchel perfect there we go um but but the dude will still be helpful you know what i mean it's weird like like guy's got an attitude but he's still willing to help you it's like sure that's cool i mean it's weird i mean i i could put up with that fine okay i got a thick skin but helpful So that's good. You know the things with those kind of people, though? They're consistent. You know what you're getting into. That's exactly right. And that's fine. Yeah, my wife sometimes gives me shit when I'm selling these arcade games or these pinballs, and people are coming in. And she's like, oh, you know, if it weren't for our, we have two really big dogs, and they seem vicious. They're not. But it scares people off. And she said, you know, if it weren't for them, she wouldn't want these people coming in her house. And I'm like, you know, I told her. It's like, okay, I understand you don't want just random Craigslist strangers, but when you're buying pinball machines in arcades, it is. It's just a little different for some reason, you know? Well, they're higher-priced items for one, so, like, you know. The clientele is a certain caliber. Yeah, a lot of these people aren't, you know, they obviously have some money, which doesn't make them great. Yeah, I ran into the lower echelon dealing with the Nintendo stuff. It was just a blast, a real blast. It was super exciting. I saw a lot of low-priced stuff, too, on Facebook and stuff and Craigslist. Yes, and you meet some interesting people because these are people buying $10 items or $20 items. That's a different story. Yep. But when you're selling a $600 item or a $5,000 item, it just seems to bring out a little bit, like you said, better clientele. I'll say this about being in this hobby compared to the retro video game hobby. A lot of people complain about Pinside. He's calling you out, retro video game hobby. Oh, absolutely. You guys are dickheads. You heard it here first on the 4-Minute Pinball Podcast. Breaking news. Retro video game collectors are douchebags. Absolutely. They really are. They moved past the tampon satchel and headed right to a douche. That's a blanket statement. Don't get me wrong. There are good people. Sure. I'm sure there are. There's people that are great. but the people who think Pinside is so toxic have no clue how bad video game... Kaneda, are you listening? Oh, yeah, I guess, the arcade department. No, not even the arcade stuff, just the retro console stuff. Sure. Right, no, I know we're listening. It's just, you can't believe the pettiness and the egos people have over that kind of stuff. And in pinball, it's the total opposite. You go to people, you go to their house, they've got 50 games, and they're the most humble. They just, hey, come over and play pinball. That's all they want. They just want to hang out. Isn't that true? They just want to share what they have. It's not like, I'm better than you. I got more stuff than you. It's not like that at all. Ryan's better than us. He has more stuff than us. It's not true. It's cool. They're nicer than me. Ryan, what got you into streaming? So probably, how many years ago would this have been? It was after I got in the Simpsons and was like, okay, next game, which, you know, of course I did not discuss with my wife. But you're always like, okay, what's next? You're on Pinset every day scouring everything, talking to guys at work about pinball. co-worker goes hey my father-in-law has a pinball machine he wants to get rid of and i'm like oh i buy pinball machines i like them what you got yeah well it's an airplane game so first thing i think of it's f-14 tomcat sweet so i'm like all right take some pics send it to me let's see this i thought gold wings don't worry and it's that's my air siren it my uh Joy was soon taken away when he showed me pictures of Operation Thunder from Gottlieb. Oh, I've played that game. I like it. I would never have it in my house, but it's niche. It's fun. I don't know. It's so bad. I played it in an old bar once. It's kind of cool. So I'm like, I've never played that in my life. Let me look this up to see what it is. It's a Gottlieb. It's a Gottlieb. It's a Gottlieb. Of course, everyone go on YouTube and look up gameplay. Yeah. And the first thing I come across is Buffalo Pinball is playing Operation Thunder. Fucking A. Good job, Buffalo Pinball. Wow. Deep cut. Deep cut. Good job, guys. So I'm like, this guy's just seen Pinball on Twitch. I'm like, isn't that for video games? So I was like, I'll go check out their channel. This was so many years ago now. This was back when they would have trivia on their streams and stuff years ago. Yeah. And so I started watching and watching, and I'm like, man, this is freaking sweet. So I'm like, I'm going to subscribe now. So I'm going to make a Twitch account and subscribe to these guys. I'm going to do this. Because up until that point, I just would go on the website, type it in, and that was it. Right. No, I didn't even know streaming existed until I ran into Papa. Okay. Papa's whole tutorial thing. That's awesome. My addiction when I got into this hobby was Creature from the Black Lagoon. All I wanted. All I wanted. Because years ago, years and years and years ago, like right when I got out of high school around 2000, MGC was one of their first years, and I ran across their pinball section, which wasn't as nearly as big as it was now. But they had a Creature from the Black Lagoon for sale for $2,000. I thought that was crazy. Who's going to spend $2,000 for a Creature? but it was mint. It looked so beautiful. So anyway, still on my list. But anyway, I love looking up anything creature and Papa's Creature pulled up and I was like, dude, people stream this shit? This is fucking awesome. So I'm watching these guys and I'm in the chat, active in chat talking to them. Got the bug. Yeah, and I'm like, well, there's got to be other people doing this too. Then I come across Like Steven from Pinball Indesirables, Deadflip. Yeah. Owl Anonymous. Who else is in there? I was watching back in the beginning. It's just the beginning of me getting into watching. Yeah, screaming. So after a while, I'm talking to everybody and watching them. I'm like, I got a bunch of pinball machines. Well, a bunch being, you know, seven. Not like other people. I have like 30. And I'm like, I'm going to scream too. He said seven and went. Well, when you get to know people that have real collections, you're like, ah, I'm a chump. Yeah, that's all right. You mean my collection of one isn't real? Well, if I keep, like, circulating my one pinball machine, I have 30. I'm getting a new machine every three or four months. It's just one, and then I rotate. Don't take it personally. We're joking. All right, go ahead, Ryan. so after a while I'm like you know what I'm going to do this too and I was friendly with everybody just from being in all the chats and everything and it's not like I didn't get into it because I want to stroke my own ego or prove something like it's just part of being involved in the community is how I look at it that's why we did this super cool man community outreach is what 4man's pinball is all about the pinball community in every facet is very helpful. I mean, I reached out to a couple of the guys and was like, what do I got to do? What do I need? What gear do I need? And they're like, you're going to need this, this, this, this. And where were you finding these people? On Twitch. Yeah, it was Twitch. So, just kind of a PSA for people who are interested in streaming pinball. Deadflip, Jack Danger's website is very comprehensive now compared to how it used to be before. He's been updating it and putting a lot of useful information on there. I would check that out. The Buffalo Pinball guys also have a lot of great information on their website. That's kind of where I started off looking things up. And then Steven from Pinball Undesirables in his Discord channel has a very great thread about streaming stuff as well. He's the one I'm not familiar with. How long has he been around? Undesirables. quite a while. He's been streaming for a long time. That was the coaster you were playing with on our stream. Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. Yeah. But I'm just saying, it's like Buffalo, I've watched some of their stuff, and I just... I mean, the two biggest ones are Easily Dead Flip and Buffalo Pinball. Okay, those are the two big dogs. You know, those guys are all, they're just workhorses. They do it, like you said, they do it almost daily, right? Well, they do do it daily. I mean, you look at the... Like, Jack is always on location. Jack Danger, that's his job now. He doesn't have a... Correct. That is his job. Yep. He's literally going to the... And he doesn't work for a specific company, for anyone that's out there. He just kind of... Well, he is officially Stern. It's like, what is his title? I think he's a... Is he a contract employee? Yeah, he's always talking about that. Yeah, but he's like Stern liaison. He is. Customer. But he's allowed, part of his contract, he's allowed to go to other companies and do their Right, yeah, which is fucking cool. Jack, you live in the dream, man. Oh, man, how cool. Yeah, exactly. He's literally getting paid for it. He decided, he was like, I'm going to fucking do this and make this my career. Well, that's what we're doing, but no one's paying us. That's the problem. We decided the same thing. I'm still selling paint. This fucking sucks. I stream pinball like those guys, and then I'm still working. Yeah. What are we doing wrong? Jack, you need to email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com and tell us what we're doing wrong. We combine our pinball collection. Drew, you're one. My one. Ryan's seven. And our collection just got tripled with one guy here. We start our own pinball arcade. Boom. Just like that. And it'll be called Poor Man's Turbo Graphics. Rolled off the tongue. It's perfect. I love it. So sexy. But you look at these guys, going out on location to stream is insane. To haul all your gear and deal with the public is its own special beast. I mean, I... So, they're going, yeah, they're going to, like, bars and barcades and whatever. Well, like, for example, like, Kevin and Skip Natty flew, or they drove in to Milwaukee from GC for Wonka. Okay. We were in that room together. Mm-hmm. And would you say there was probably 200 people in that room, maybe even more? I mean, it was packed. Mm-hmm. They bring all their gear, set it up. With that many people crowding the games, they're put on the front page of Twitch. They have, like, I think it was up to 12,000 people watching. How do you get on the front page? You have to be partnered. Wow, that's, like, one step to getting out, getting into Twitch to do that kind of stuff. I'm an affiliate, which, I mean, never say never, but you have to have a schedule, which I don't. So many followers, a schedule. Yeah, there's criteria. There's achievements you have to hit. You more, because I know when I first met you, you just said, hey, I stream as often as I can when I can. Pretty much, when I have time. Okay. I have a big appreciation for the guys that are out there doing this better and harder than I do. It's my hobby. I have free time. I'm going to stream. I don't have a schedule like these guys do. These are the guys that if someone's like, hey, I want to watch a game on Twitch, I'm like, go watch these guys. Sure. Like, I will always pay it forward to people that help me. But on top of it, they are the ones that are really making a difference, exposing pinball to people. Well, speaking of which, I mean, your last stream was pretty epic, I have to say. There were a lot of interesting characters on that last stream. No, no, not the Simpsons pinball party. No, his last one is actually at Eric's house, who did the Cactus Canyon Continued. Yep. Tell us about that one. So Eric and I are in two leagues together, one of which he runs at his house. All right, perfect. So I've gotten to know Eric over the last year and a half or so since I've been in leagues, and he's an awesome dude. I mean, the dude is awesome. And on top of Eric finishing the code for Cactus Canyon and calling it Cactus Canyon Continued, he also works for Color DMD. so so he works for them or is he a contract guy well they're all contract okay still a beautiful thing oh man he's done Walking Dead yes he's done a lot of cool stuff he did my Black Rose man he's done like what 20, 25 titles he said he's working on his 20th game right now for Color DMV Eric is cool as shit I gotta meet him he's a cool dude can you introduce us yeah Eric come on our podcast please did he do Last Action Hero do you know who did that I don't know who he is. Because he might have. I sold my last action hero like a week after it was announced. I was waiting for it, waiting for it, waiting for it. Guys, that was there, man. He gave me daily updates. I did. He was so sad when Black Rose got announced. Yes. But that's the game I had. And I bought Ian. Thank you, Eric. We love you, Eric. I bought Ian a Black Rose color DMD for his, oh, we had a man shower for him when his daughter was born. For his baby. You bought that for his man shower? Yes. That's the kind of friend I am I partner with his wife And we split it See I'm a good friend You gotta hang out with me more Obviously A little bit of blood rushed to my dick So anyways I get him this thing I enjoy it because I'm playing Black Rose 2 And then I'm like man it's Last Action Hero It's my only pin I love it I'm having a blast with it They gotta get this done There's not many games left I mean, they're getting down to the nitty-gritty. And then, you know, I want to get my Iron Maiden, and I put it up for sale. And literally, like, the week I put it up for sale, they're like, last action hero. I'm like, oh, I'm not that impulsive. I almost did it, though. I wanted to fucking see it. But anyway, so Eric Kripke, though, great work on all this. Yeah, he's so awesome. Baywatch? I think he did Baywatch, didn't he? I don't know if he did or he might have. Oh, that Baywatch one. Eric emails at poormanspinball at gmail.com. Poor man's pinball, Sierra. Sign over here, Ryan. We're not joking. We don't know our own email address. That's a true story. I can never say it right. So, Cactus Canyon continues. The creator, he's streaming with them. Guys, check that stream out. Because how better to explain a game than the guy who coded it? That is fucking awesome. That is true. It was great. That is true. Because a lot of times you watch some of these streams or reviews or whatever, and you're like, oh, I don't quite know how that works. I don't know what this does. The bulk of my experience playing that game is at his house. So it's cool to play the game that he coded it on. Very cool. And before that, I had pretty much only played it on Pinball Arcade. Would you buy it? If a possible remake came out. That's what I'm asking. A remake. That's in the mix. Well, it's in the mix. It's fun. Is it a top ten, Williams? Oh, we got some. Growl. I don't know. It's a great game. Okay. I mean, I don't want to, like... What about the original Cactus Canyon? Without his code? Yeah. No. Oh, okay. So without the code, definitely not. No. He added so much to it. And there's so many things he showed me that I didn't... You know, you play it and you're figuring things out. You're like, all right, cool. This seems different from what I remember from Pimole Arcade. And then he showed me the super skill shot and all these other little nuanced things. And I'm like, oh my God. I'm going to put you on the spot then. What's your top five Williams games? Minimal Madness, Monster Bash, Twilight Zone. Are you reading from a list? No, I'm just talking off the top of my head. I'm standing even with shoulders. That's a loaded fucking question. Oh, man. Put a guy on the left. I just wanted him to promote Twitch a little bit. This is where we're going with this, bitch. We're going there. Our interviews are just, tell us what we want to hear. No, this is great. Like I said, he's going to rip me out of Babylon forever. Answer my questions three because I'm the host. But no, guys, TurboGrafx7, check him out on Twitch. Dude is an absolute stud. And you can watch us fucking fumble around on Simpsons. That was great. We'll do more for sure. All right, sweet. Let's play some games. We got people here today. We got three or four games here today. Let's do them. I'm a people now. Let's do it. So first one here, we got, what is it, Flyer By? Let's do Flyer By. Let's do Flyer By. Fly or buy. Fly or buy. So this game is really just simple. Would you buy it or not? Are you flying away from it or are you buying the game? And we want to do this kind of more or less in service to you guys out there in podcast land. Especially those in Seattle. Seattle special. We're flying to Seattle today and we're going to look at their Craigslist ads. That's my airplane sound. And we're just going to see what's out there in Seattle. And we'll pick five random machines and see if it's a good deal or not. These are all from Craigslist, correct? This is Craigslist Seattle, but we're going to go to different cities every time, and I think it would be kind of a cool thing to – maybe you guys don't know these exist out there. All right. All right, so we'll go to the very first one here. In Seattle, we've got a Black Knight 2000. Okay. Looks like it's got some general exterior blemishes, but overall well cared for. Beautiful play field. Black Knight 2000. The guy is looking for $2,200. I'm going to let you go first. Are you going to fly or are you going to buy? Oh, I'm flying. For $2,200? That's not a bad price at all. Here's why. This is where I'm going to get a little anal about this. Okay. All right. Dude, he goes in this big diatribe and says all this stuff. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm not reading anything in the description that makes me go, hmm. The pictures, though. Dude's got the glass on. The play field is, you almost can't see what's going on because of reflection. That's true. I would have to go and see it. Okay, but if it's nice and it's working, $2,200. That's really the question. No, because it's just not. Oh, it does say it's almost perfectly playable. What happens? One of the issues I've diagnosed, but haven't gotten around to fixing. Okay, so you're. Namely, the upper deck flipper needs a new switch. Uh-oh, new switch. And the right and left kickers, slingshots, need new pistons. I don't know if this guy knows anything about pistons. I've never heard that being called a piston. New piston. Have you ever heard that being called a piston? Okay, we're flying. Yeah, that's a fly. Sorry, buddy. Black Knight 2000, 2200. All right, next one. We have a Fishtails pinball machine. Now, I have a special place in my heart for Fishtails. I like it. It's just a quirky, fun game. I honestly didn't know there was fishtails outside of up north Wisconsin. I was pretty surprised they had that. Ryan, where are you on a $3,000 fishtail? $3,000 fishtail. It says the game plays great. Play field is very nice. He had a lot of nice pictures up. Typical fade. Has the topper. Perm on price, $3,000. It's an Auburn Washington. Man, that cabinet. Ooh, that is faded. Typical fade is a light way of putting that. That game is light. That shit looks like it's black and white on the side. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Ouch. It is. I mean, the only color is the black from the outlines. There's a little bit of blue. $3,000 is a pretty good price, though, for a Williams. I think you could get that in better condition for that price. Okay. All right. You're a fly. You're a fly. Drew, what do you think? I might buy that one. You'd buy it? The thing that's good with the play field is there's no wear on the fish in the tackle box. Okay. The inserts don't look like they're all chewed up like you usually see. Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of those for less than three grand. I mean, you know, a lot of them, they're going up there now. And, you know, that's one of the Williams titles. Oh, it's a $3,000 game all day. Sure, because a lot of these, you know, I mean, you have such a wide audience. You have Outdoorsmen. You have, yeah, like the whole Midwest is like, you know. It's a fun game. It's fast and furious. It is. The lightning flippers. It's cool. It's lightning quick. All right. I will, I'll fly as well. You're the host. I think you can get it cheaper. Well, yeah, you probably could. I mean. Like I said, I think for that price, you can get one. What if you got that one for $2,500? You're probably in, right? Well, yeah. It's not that hard to put new details on the side, new artwork on the side. I think $2,500, that's a buy all day. All right, $2,500? Yeah, sure. Begrudgingly. All right, so the next one we have is in Linwood, Washington. Ooh, Tales from the Crypt. Tales from the Crypt, $3,250. I can't do the music. No, no, $3,250. So it goes, nice Tales from the Crypt pinball that plays 100%, no errors, has all LEDs. It has the same sound effects as Last Action Hero. Love it. Playfield. Playfield's in great shape. The cabinet is a little dinged up. It is. But, what do you think? Looks like the Playfield's in pretty good shape. $32.50. I question where it was stored, because if you look at the metal on the ramps, it's mega corroded. Really? Where are you looking here? Good lord. There's a couple that are... You're looking at that there? Yeah, if you zoom in, like, everything is just corroded. Yeah, there's some pitting there for sure. This game is the early 90s, though, I believe, right? Yeah, this feels like 90... 93? I was going to say 93, but I got it wrong. Sure. Well, I don't know. What do you think? 3,200? What does a great Tales from the Crypt go for? I don't even know offhand, actually. No, I don't either. I'd say a good price on that, $3,500 all day long. One of these things fully restored, and that's kind of the trick these days, right? A fully restored, beautifully, like someone's demo man in their basement that just glistens and calls my name. I would buy this. I would buy this only for the sole purpose of doing a full-on restoration because I think it would be that cool, and you'd get your money back. And a title like this, Anything Horror, this is one of the better selling Data East games. Anything Horror generally is going to sell pretty good. They really do. I mean, you look at Scared Stiff, and like, you know, that game's okay. It looks cool. That game goes up. It is. I think that has some of the best campiest humor besides Monster Hunter But that was what I was about to say That funny kind of quirky campy you know just like Tales from the Crypt is what people like And Tales from the Crypt has like one of the coolest shooters with the door the door handle You push the button down to shoot. Yeah, it is awesome. It's pretty cool. Okay, so fly or buy? I'd be a buy. I think it's a cool machine. I'd buy it. Ryan is a buy. Oh, man, he's a picky son of a bitch. I am picky, man. Did you see his basement, man? I'm mega picky. Yeah, I did. I know. You want my money? The only reason it's in his basement is if I don't have Mickey. It's a museum. Yeah. He made us play as machines with white gloves on. It was fucking crazy. White gloves, no pants. Yeah. And I had to wear a condom. I didn't understand that at all. Well, you always have to wear a condom, you dirty bastard. All right. Next game. Let's move it on. 1980. Black Knight. We went from Black Knight 2000 all the way to Black Knight 1980. Black Knight, $2,100. That's in Kitsap County. So, Black Knight Machine, for sale, probably average condition for its age, works and plays great for no mechanical issues. It looks like a player's condition. Bad class is very nice condition. Bad class is amazing. I noticed that right away. There is wear on the play field. It's definitely a player's condition game. I mean, $2,100, though. That seems kind of high to me for a Black Knight. Really? I was thinking that too really? yeah it's a little high what do you think of Black Knight to buy this player in particular I'd pay $1,200 maybe $1,200 player's condition I was going to say closer to $1,500 but I'm just looking at all the prices now that you know they keep creeping up they do well it's sort of rage out you know now all these things are coming up for sale the back glass is really I wonder if it's like a reproduction I mean it's so nice it's beautiful Oh, we can't do the last one. Nope, I got it. I got it. Oh, okay. Oh, actually, we got two more. We do? Yep. Oh, yeah. Tales from the Arabian Nights. Oh, wait, Drew, were you a buy or fly? Oh, I'm a fly on that one. I just, Black Knight. Does nothing for you. Oh, yeah, it's just not. All right, so that's a fly. Yeah, that's three flies, everybody. Fly, fly, fly. All right, Tales from the Arabian Nights pinball, $7,200. Let's see, here we go It says I have a really nice totem That I'm ready to part with You can always tell he's a pinball guy when he says totem That's when they do that Abbreviation right there, you know exactly That that's a guy that's been on pins That is true Located in the northern Seattle area, new apron Skill shot, new ramps, new rubbers New genie And I took part in the play field Thoroughly, so some typical wear in places that would be hidden with the set of the cliffies. What does a perfect restored Totem go for? Like 8 or 9, 10? He says he's got LEDs in there, guys. I know LEDs, it's a new thing. Nobody has LEDs anymore. Alright, so Totem. What do you guys, what would you pay for a tail so it would be nice? Do you see this, Drew? I'm looking. Alright, I didn't know if you saw that or not. Is that on the list to be remade? I think it is. See, that's the thing. That's why I would not... But $7,200 isn't bad, though. That's if you pay for a new one. Yeah, I guess if you get... If they follow the same... The classics were six. I don't think it was on the list. I feel like it was. It's going to be on there. Cactus Canyon, Theater Magic. Cactus Canyon, Theater Magic. Circus Voltaire was on there. Yeah, there's five or six, but that's probably going to get remade. Okay, all right. I mean, it's not a lot of license. No, and looking at this one, it is nice. Yeah, it's in great shape. I would say this one, I would buy it. If I was not concerned with a remake, I would. Correct. And even with a remake, I mean, you know, what would an attack from Mars in this condition go for right now? Six, probably? 65? Yeah, oh, they dropped hard when the remakes came out. Sure, but, you know, so you might lose a few bucks, but you'd probably do okay. I would buy it I guess when I look at buying games even if in my mind I'm like this is a keeper bolted to the floor I'm always kind of like just in case something bad happens I need an exit strategy so is this game how much am I going to lose when I sell it well like when I picked up my Metallica I said okay it's going to be a placeholder for the time being and I know I can move it because it's Metallica it's extremely desirable fucking placeholder game I hate that piece of shit. Oh, you're a liar. But, so you're a buy, right? I'm a buy. Yeah. But you're worried about the remake? Yeah. I'll fucking buy it because one is because... We're buying a Toten! In Milwaukee, I've never seen one on Greg's channel. No, not for $7,200. I was like, wait, what? We're going to pull our money together, then we're going to stream it, and we're going to make so much money from streaming because we know how to do that. I'm going to say yes. So many bits. So many bits. Yeah. How many millions of bits do you need to make a million dollars? Well, a bit's a penny. We need a lot of million bits. That's true, man. A lot. A lot of million bits. All right. And then the last one I actually pulled earlier, and it got deleted, but we're going to do it anyway. It was a trade. This guy wanted a trade. So it was, he wanted a Medieval Madness remake, and he was willing to give up two of his machines. And I guess we'll do it this time. He had a Raven and an Operation Thunder. A flyer by him. No, he's willing to give up some really good machines. So I guess in this one, would you make that deal if you were... Medieval Madness remake. If you had a Medieval Madness, would you make this trade? This is a remake. Yep, a remake. I'm assuming he just said Medieval Madness. Okay. Well, either way. He wants to trade for a Medieval Madness. Okay. What does he got? He's got a Monsters Pro and an Avira Party Monsters. So, System 11 and a Pro Monsters. Oh, that's not bad. That's okay. I'd be okay with that. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily want those games. So, if you had Medieval Madness, you would trade him? Well, think about it. A monster's pro, you could sell for five grand. Three grand. Oh, man. Maybe. Sorry, Delight. Sorry, John. Man. Oh, wah-wah. Okay, for the sake of argument, let's say you could sell for five, right? Okay. Okay. And then what is a party monster's? A couple grand. Depends on the condition. Yeah, I'd say maybe three right now. Okay. So that's comparable. You get two good pins for one good, great, better pin. Fuck, shit. Right. No, but Medieval Madness blows us a little. No, it does, and I'm with you there. I really like Elvira. Yeah. I'm a buy all day long. And he doesn't like Medieval Madness. Why are you going to point at me so harsh? That was harsh. Oh, because. On the air. You're the only one in the world who goes, this is the worst game ever. I do not say that. I've never said that about Medieval Madness. He has said it. I have said, I don't get it. I don't understand why the love. I get that the... Listen, I'll knock that fucking castle down all day long, and I will have a boner doing it. Like, that is the most fun you can have in pinball. It is. However... It's a great... But my point is, value for value, it's probably mine. That's all. He doesn't even let me defend myself. Defend. Defend your castle. I just want to say, I love knocking that fucking castle down. But other than that, I could take it or leave it. I'm not a huge fan. That's fine. That's a fair assessment. Attack from Mars all day long. I just get the quirkiness of it. I love that. Just the sound effects and the Martians are attacking. I get that. I love that. But when it comes to medieval madness. So destroying the space ship is way better than destroying the castle. No, the castle is way better to destroy. But I just like the whole package, attack from Mars. If I'm going to compare the two, that's fair. But I'm sitting here behind a monster bash, so maybe I put too much stock in the pin for the top 100. You sure have. You sure have, sir. All right. So anyway, but I like medieval manners, but it's just – Back to the deal. Yeah, what would you do? I'd buy it just because I like Elvira. Okay. Ryan? I would keep my medieval manners. Oh, smart man. All right. Well, what about you, Drew? So I think I'd take them. You'd take the deal? But, you know, like I said, if it was like a value thing and I was trying to sell them, then yeah, it's a horse apiece. I mean, you get you seven or eight grand out of it. Let's be honest. Party Monsters is a fun game. Scared Stiff is way better. Scared Stiff is better. I agree with you there. Way better by a long shot. Like I said, Monsters is a great location game. But there's still people out there that love Monsters. Well, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, for sure. That's my point. Like I said, if I was looking to sell, I think the value is roughly the same. But if I was keeping it, medieval madness. I'm with you there. Because I'd rather have medieval madness than those two machines. If I had one versus two, that's where I'm at. So there you go. That's it, man. That's all I had. What do you guys think? Oh, I think it's great, man. That's all right. I think whoever's out there in Seattle, if you didn't know about those, pick up what you thought was a good deal. Don't buy Black Knight. Don't trade a medieval madness for shit. I mean, monsters. Oh, sorry. I'm just, all right. I just got reminded of something. I'm looking at the Pinside Top 100. I just finally watched that YouTube. Did you guys see that YouTube clip of the unboxing of the Jurassic Park? I did not watch it. Everyone bought it. Yeah, well, they found it or whatever. They bought it, unboxed, and, yeah, they were very, very meticulous in taking that fucking thing out of the box. It drove me nuts. but it was a beautiful it was a shiny new Jurassic Park. I understand that but when you say meticulous, it's still a Jurassic Park. Well they were showing like, this is the piece of cardboard that protected the Jurassic Park head. The T-Rex head. Cut that bitch open. Get the T-Rex to eat the ball. It's like grabbing some cognac. Let that fucker breathe. Get it open and let's see what happens. Will that be like in 10 years if there's like Sparky? It's like, I'm Ripping that styrofoam off Sparky's neck because I want to bash Sparky. That's exactly what it was. But, man, it was cool seeing, like, a fucking shiny Jurassic Park like that. It was kind of cool. If someone came to me and said, I have this new in-box Jurassic Park, I would be so worried what condition it was in from sitting for so long. Where was it stored? All I had to say was climate controlled, and I don't fucking trust that ever. How do you prove it without opening it? It's in a box. Yeah, I get that. But, I mean, how bad can it really be if it's in the box the whole time? Oh, it can be very bad. You can get mold in that. You can get white water, I guess. I've heard of people having, like, warped playfields that are bowed. The battery acid from the boards? Is that what's going to happen to all the Munsters that are sitting around? Oh, Munsters are taking it. I know. And the Black Rose dropped a 108. When I bought that Black Rose, it was at 90. Yeah, we used to talk about that. He's like, I'm in the top 100. I was so excited about the top 100. Look at Demoman. Demoman. Fucking 111? These people are monsters. It is. Total monsters. You people are insider lunatics. My last action hero is like 155 now. Are you kidding me? You can go in the top 100 and find games that are rated higher than Demoman, and you're like, get out of here. No, it is obviously subjective. Well, of course it's subjective. But I mean, you're right. The reason why is because of all the new games coming out. People just spend so much money. Isn't that interesting, though, how, like, Beatles is still, like, number, like, 70 and Munsters is eight? I mean, what would you rather have, Beatles or Munsters? Oh, man. Ryan's figured it out. That's not even a question. If you're giving me one or the other, I'm taking a Beatles all day long. I love how that shoots. Not saying that Munsters doesn't shoot well, but I love the whole thing. I think they both shoot really good. Franchi nailed the art on both. They both look great. Isn't that funny? They both shoot good. Franchi did the art on both. One I love and one I don't care for. It's crazy. This is going to be extremely controversial. Oh, shit. I hate the Beatles in general. Oh! That's okay. Sorry, not everybody's like that. I'm just trying to stir the pot. I don't give a shit. I could say other bands. You blew up the mic. Sorry, everyone that was driving. Four accidents. Four accidents were caused by Drew screaming in the mic. Sorry, everybody. Beatles are so overrated, that game. Oh, wow. So you'd go Munsters then? I would, just because the show's better. I said, here's two games, here's three. The Munsters make a better band than the Beatles. They would. They're a Munster bash. Okay. There you go. Stupid joke. Let's roll on here. I got a game for us today. You want to play my game? Drew's games are always They always stick Because I took so long coming up with this game And by so long I mean like five and a half minutes I love it Here's what we're doing I'm the host of this We're going to call it Fast Draw I have not seen this I have not approved it This is not approved This is not screened This is not proofread This is just Drew off the cuff Are you ready? I'm sure he's feeling this It's called Fast Draw I'm going to give you guys something and then you guys um it's going to be like Ryan first and then Ian second so I get a chance to think about it yeah yeah and I'm just going to say something and you're going to say the first thing that pops into your head you're only going to have three to five seconds okay we're going to move along quickly well they did steal this so um I'll give you an example if I say best condiment on a burger you say ketchup he was first dickhead oh sorry oh okay I was going to say, best condiment on a burger. Ryan? Dijon. Okay, Dijon, best condiment on a burger. Condom. Oh, my God. I might follow that up with worst condiment on a burger. Oh, mayonnaise. Okay. Worst condiment on a burger, Ian? Barbecue sauce. Okay, there you go. Fuck off. Okay, so it's going to go Ryan first. Ian, you asshole. And then Ian second. Ian, you asshole. Well, are we doing the same question? Yeah, same question. All right, well, I'll have time to think then. Yeah, you do. You have eight seconds. He has four seconds. Home field advantage, folks. Yes. I'm not a smart man. Ryan, are you ready? I hope. Ian, are you ready? Yeah, I've been drinking. I feel great. Yeah, we've been doing this for three hours, and we love it. Ready? Okay. I'm not editing shit tomorrow. You should. Nope, no edits. Okay. Two themes you want to see in pinball. Transformers Generation 1 and Beetlejuice. Okay, awesome. Ian. Big Trouble in Little China and I Want to See Labyrinth. Okay. And by the way, we can circle back and explain a few things if you guys want to later. Some of this we're going to get personal as we go further down, okay? No, go for it, bud. Okay. Whatever. You want to circle back? We'll circle back. Okay. So now, so you said Transformers and what was it? Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Okay. Two things you never want to see in a pinball machine. Beatles and... Wow. I love it. Man, My Little Pony. Okay. Ian? Anything from the 60s and 70s. Oh, wow. Just killing it all. I get it. Fucking done with it. Let's move on, guys. Let's get to the 80s already. That's awesome. Okay. Best game art. Existing? Yep. This is existing. Oh, my goodness. Man. You got three seconds. He's going to say Beatles. Yeah. Man. It's like Sophie's Choice. How do I pin? Come on, you got three seconds, dude. You're three seconds out, man. That just turned to three minutes. Yeah, man. Good art on a pinball machine. Spit it out. Why don't we do every other? Why don't we do every other? Why don't we do every other so it's easier for him, too? Okay. Even playing field. So am I asking you guys the same question? No, you are. Okay. But you're going to go to him first. Oh, okay. I got you. Then go to Steve back. Next question, you go to me. Okay, fair enough. Best game art. Best art. I like I had all that time I still couldn't think of something we'll go Monster Bash okay that's good not true but where's Game Art Black Rose just because I had it no you know yeah okay Black Rose it's not good what's not good Ryan Star Wars okay fair enough that was bad Game of Thrones is bad too yeah I should have said Game of Thrones I should have too Black Rose is better than Game of Thrones are you listening Game of Thrones okay best game layout Ryan Lord of the Rings. That's good. What do you got, Ian? Attack from Mars. Okay. Family Outs. Guess what, Ian? Worst game layout. Whatever Ryan says. No, I'm joking. I will say Popeye. Oh, I like Popeye, but fuck you. Ghostbusters. Oh, yeah. Ghostbusters sucks. Okay. Mr. Ryan, best game code. Rule set. Simpsons. Okay, awesome. Lord of the Rings. Okay. You know what's coming next? Worst game rule set. Who's the worst coder in the history of the world? I hate doing this. Worst? I don't know. Monsters? No. It's just like my monster batch. I can't say that. What's a bad rule set? Bad rule set. What are you playing? Fuck this rule set. Creature from Black Lagoon. Hmm. That's too simple. I want more from Creature. I've been sitting this whole time going, I need to find a bad game, and I can't. I'm going to say a game and not mean it. Okay. We can circle back. I'm going to say Monsters, but it's not as bad as I think it ought to be. Hey, that's the point of this game. We're going to piss some people off, and then we can come back and apologize later, okay? Ryan, one company that's going to go bankrupt by 2022. They got three years. I mean, I'd say Dutch, but they're kind of dead already. No, they're already dead. Got to pick another one. I told you, it's going to get personal, man. There's going to be some hurt feelings here. The dude in Home Pin. Okay, Home Pin. Ian? Great Lakes. Oh, Great Lakes. We didn't even start. What was their one machine they have going? Exposé. Oh, Exposé. Okay. I'm not laughing because it's bad. I'm just laughing because I don't know anything about it. So that's why I'm... Ready, Ian? Yeah, buddy. Two 80s IPs that will be revealed by 2020. Two 80s IPs? Mm-hmm. Goonies and I believe Beetlejuice. Okay. Wait, no, that was 80s. Yeah, that was 80s. Yeah, it's 80s. Right? Got until next year. What are they going to reveal? 80s IPs. That's a good question, by the way, Drew. I put a lot of thought into this. That's a really good point. Six minutes of thought, man. Never ending story, but I don't believe that. Ooh, that would be awesome, actually. That would be a good pin. I'd dig it. Oh, man, oh, man. This three-second rule isn't working very well. Fast draw, buddy, fast draw. You got to drink every time. Oh, man. You got to drink every second. What else? What else is coming out in the next year? This monster is gone. This monster is gone. There you go. More personal and more hurtful as we go down. so you got it. We got three seconds. You took such good ones. No, you're making what he says. That's right. You did say Beetlejuice. That's fine. Well, I said Beetlejuice before, but... Beetlejuice is... That might be... Bill and Ted's. Jaws. That's not really 80s. Never mind. Halloween. No, that's not really 80s. Okay, you can pass on one or two. I'm just going to pass. I'm trying to think of something like Wild Card. That's fine. You got three seconds for this next one. Best 90s pin. Right. Holy shit. Boom. Wait. Best 90s pin? Oh, that was... 90s pin, yes. Oh, best 90s pin that was sort of in May. I was thinking of a theme. No, no, no. I was confused. Best 90s pin. Oh, man. Three seconds. Three seconds. One second. Okay, best 90s pin. Tech from Mars. Okay. Two good choices. Ian, worst 90s pin. Three seconds. Last action zero. Oh, my God. You're killing me. Ryan, worst 90s pin. Judge the Red. Ooh. I agree with Ryan, by the way. Okay. I hate that game. Now, move on. Ooh, I want to change mine to Stargate. Stargate's pretty good. Stargate's pretty good. Oh, it's good. Starship Troopers is bad, too. Best 2000 and up game. Modern Penn. Ready, go. All that took from a bad game. Yep. 2000 and up. Uno. Dos. Tres. This is a fast round, man. I'm just going to say Simpsons again. Okay, there you go. It's a good choice. I'd go Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings. Okay. I'm a huge fan of it. That's why you're old. Coming back your way. Worst 2000 and up game. Whatever Ryan owns. No, I'm joking. Ah, worst 2000 and up. God, dude. This probably isn't true, but I'm just going to go. Three, two, one. Monsters. Monsters. 2000 and up, Penn. Worst, Penn. I'm going to say Ghostbusters because I'm so disappointed. Ooh. That's a better answer. Such an amazing theme and such a disappointment. I'm sorry I said Munsters. It's not the worst at all. I just... We'll cycle back later. It was quick. You can stroke... Sorry, you guys. You can stroke Dwight the Dick later. No, I don't think it's the bad... It's a good shooting game. I like that one. Okay, okay. You ready? Here's us and start getting personal. Is this Ryan? Nope. All right. Ryan's next. Better businessman, Charlie or Jack? Jack. Okay. Better businessman, Charlie or Jack? Charlie. Ooh. Jack would have went bankrupt years ago. So is him. Okay, we got one to one. Okay, Ian, two words to describe Home Pin. Disappointing. Cheap. Oh, okay, good. Two words to describe Home Pin. Goodbye. Oh, shit. Oh, shit, that's another good one. Wow, they're coming everywhere. These are awesome answers. This game is way better than I thought it was going to be. Oh, man, I'm a giddy right now. Okay, ready? This next section, this is going on for a while, by the way, guys. Love it. Who wins in a fight? Okay. Physical people. Oh, that's the call. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm the best. Who's next? You're next, Ryan? Yeah. Yeah. He said, yep, goodbye. Zombie Yeti or Franchi? Oh, Zombie Yeti. He's younger. He's... Oh, good. I like it. Zombie Yeti or Franchi? I agree, Yeti. Ooh, Franchi. You got to match it. You don't focus on his nickname's Yeti. That's true. Zombie Yeti. Okay. Well, he started off as Yeti. Yep. That's true. Ian. Yeah. Steve Ritchie or Pat Lawler? Who wins in a physical fight. Oh, Steve Ritchie, dude. Steve Ritchie looks like he can take most people now. Ryan? I'm going to say Steve Ritchie, too, but I love Pat. But I will agree, though. Steve Ritchie probably wouldn't remember feeding you up. No. He's like your drunk uncle. Exactly. Keith Elwin or John Borg? Oh, Allen. Allen. Allen. Allen, you win that by a landslide. Sorry, Borg. Ian, Tim Sexton versus Dwight Sullivan. They both seem like huggers. This is why I was doing it. I love it. I can't wait for this commentary. Oh, man. The young Tim Sexton versus the older Dwight Sullivan, who's kind of weird sometimes when he talks. Yeah. We'll go Sullivan just because he probably had to fight back in the day, but I don't think Sexton's ever been in a real fight. I'm going to pick Tim Balls. Oh, Tim Balls. Squash in his face. I was going to do that as a thing and I said I wasn't going to mention that. Thanks for mentioning that. No problem. We'll get to that a little later. George Gomez or Gary Stern? Oh, Gomez. Yeah, you don't fuck with a Mexican. That dude's got these We're getting racist No, no, it's just an observation You're my homie, Gomi Super racist And you may continue, sir Move past it Zach or Greg, straight down the middle Greg Yeah, Greg Greg's had five drinks Well, yeah, it's always going to be Greg Only because, yeah, it's not always going to be Greg but Greg's an actor, so he doesn't want to get punched in the face. True enough. I can see him running away. Zach or Greg? Zach, I love you, but I'm going Greg. Oh, Greg wins. Two to one. Two to zero. Sorry. Okay, then coming back, Ken versus Bill. Special win, mate. Oh, Bill. Bill's bigger. Yeah, he's bigger. Rick's shithouse. Bill's got the reach. Okay. I'm glad you're picking physical people that everyone knows. Uh-huh. This is great. Uh-huh. Awesome. Ready? Ryan C versus Marty. Where's it going? Ryan C. Yeah, Ryan C. Ryan C? I love Marty too. Okay. Marty is a lover. Marty doesn't sound like you want to fight. No. Sorry, Marty. We love you. You're like me. You're a lover. Wait, wait, wait, wait. What? Ryan C or Marty all fucked up on Jen. Ooh. Jen.Marty might have a chance. Hey, Marty. Jen.Marty. I might go you, man. So, yeah, that's where I'm going. You ready? You got a couple more? Yep. And then you got one more section here. All right. Kaneda versus himself. Kaneda. I don't know how to answer that. Yeah, I guess I'll say the same. Okay. Yeah. Kaneda versus the Pinside Babies, all of them. Oh, Pinside Babies. They would mob them to death, right? Yeah, that's like a mob. Yeah. You got Oryk. I was going to do Kaneda versus Oryk, but we know Oryk would probably wipe the floor with him, right? So you went with everybody? No, it's just the Pinsy babies. Yeah, we got it. All right. Okay. Next section here. It keeps going, guys. This is getting deep. Okay. We got two games here. It's one versus the other, okay? One, you're going to bolt to your floor. The other one, you got to light on fire, throw it off the roof. You can never play it ever again. Did you see this on Slap Save? Nope. They just did this. Did they really? I honestly did not see this. I shit you not. They had a bolt on the floor. and torch it or flip it. Oh, the fuck, marry, kill kind of thing. Kind of, yeah. Bolt or fire? No, this is all coming from my brain shop. No, I'm just saying, bolt or fire, that's what I'm saying. Right on fire, you can never play the game ever again. Or bolt it to your floor and you can play it forever. Perfect, I'm excited. Hobbit versus Lord of the Rings. Me? Yep. Lord of the Rings, I would bolt and Hobbit would sit on fire. Ooh. Oh, this is tough for Ryan here. Brian has both guys. He's like, I only have one child, but now I have two children. So what do I do? You want me to kill a child? Come on, man. Three seconds. So I have to keep it. Can everyone sell it? Nope. One gets bolted to your floor. The other one gets chucked. You can never play it ever again. Man. Yep. Come on, man. I taking the Hobbit Ooh I love it It shinier It prettier Yeah It the best theme integrated game ever Okay Ryan coming back Creature vs. Monster Bash. I'm bolting Monster Bash. Oh, Creature's going off the roof. Ian, what are you doing? I hate you. Like the one you own or your grail. You can never play it ever again. Yep. I'm going to bolt Monster Bash. I have it and it's bolted the creature's been burned twice I know I love you Creech okay coming back Simpsons vs Dialed In Ian I'd keep I'd bolt Simpsons vs Burned Dialed In Ryan another tough one he's got to look at himself every time this is why I did this I was having so much fun with this I love it it's very sadistic Uh-huh. Oh, man. Come on, man. Fast draw, buddy. I'm going to bolt Simpsons because of the rules. Ooh, dialed in. It's getting torched. But I love dialed in. Yeah. No, it's tough. You can never play it ever again. I know. Lord of the Rings versus Simpsons. Ryan? Bolting Simpsons. Ooh, so that was easy. Okay. I'm bolting Lord of the Rings. Ooh, Simpsons is now torched. Okay, coming back in. Wonka versus Monster Bash. Oh, yeah, Wonka's getting bolted. And Monster Bash going off the roof? I'm fire, baby. You never play it ever again? I'm fire. Then, Ryan? I'm going to go Monster Bash. Okay. So Wonka's getting talked. I need to play Wonka more. Okay. But if you could. But as of right now, Monster Bash. Sure. Wonka versus Simpsons. Awesome. So easy. Oh, I'm saying it. Not even close. Ian? Wonka. Not even close. Oh, we got a... What? Simpsons and Waka are getting tossed off at the same time Yeah At the same building Okay If I want to play Simpsons I'll go over to Rattatatata Likewise You can never play Rattatatata again Oh sorry You guys have no imagination We're saluting against you You guys have zero imagination Sorry I forgot how this game This is the main of the game It's supposed to go Attack from Mars vs Monster Bash Me? Yeah Oh you do this because you know I like both I do Bolting Monster Bash. So, Attack of Mars is gone. What do you got, Ryan? Attack of Mars. Interesting. I love Attack of Mars. Don't get me wrong. Okay. Then coming back with the last one here, Ryan. Your dream grail pin doesn't have to be real versus the actual favorite pin that is real. Man. well the dream grail pin's made up my head which is? it'll be like a generation one a simpsons transformers it's tough because one's not real and one is oh no it's real in this game Nice Uh Fast draw baby Fast draw I mean I don't want to I don't want to Real smart I don't want to seem like Simpsons is my favorite game Of all time It kind of is But I'm okay man I just spent $6,000 On Simpsons I've never played So Um I'm gonna go with the real game Just because I don't trust my head Okay Fair enough Real game stand Ian That's a good fucking point Yeah Ian where are you at You're just saying You're on the same, Ian? Stay the same. Nobody fucks around with Jack Burton and the Pork Chop Express. Oh, yes. So we're going dream theme, Big Trouble in Little China. Little China stays bolted. It's going to take Cracker Jack timing, Drew. I'm telling you right now. And Monster Bash gets tossed off the roof. Yep, they fuck that machine. I got the Pork Chop Express pulling in by Jersey Jack, designed by Pat Lawler. Thank you, Pat. You made a great Jack Burton machine. Look at the rules. Oh, Pat Lawler did it? Well, Pat Lawler doesn't even know who Jack Bray is. Probably an awful choice. Who does the rules? Lyman leaves third to go. Oh, wow. What a... It's my dream. I can do what I want. Last little section, guys. It keeps going. This is called pinball or... Once again, you can either play pinball or you can do this other thing. You have to leave the other one forever. Pinball or sex? Sex. Wait, I'm saying what sex. You're staying with sex. Oh, I need sex. Pinball, Valdez, or... Okay, fair enough. Yeah, I mean... Okay. Yeah, okay. I have a penis, Drew. I answer to him. I am Gorgar. That's what I call my penis, kids. All right? Dude, they missed that part. Gorgar, shut up. Pinball or TV? Uh, TV's gone. Okay. TV's gone. TV's gone? Pinball's there. I play pinball more than TV. Yeah, I don't have much television. Pinball's there. Okay. Nice, pinball. They love it. Pinball or internet? Internet. Can't use internet ever again. Oh, you know what? That's fine. I'll play pinball. Okay. I fucking hate this. Ryan's thinking about it. Well, I'm just thinking of all the stuff I have to do with it. Porno. Oh, shit. That relates to number one. Man, that's tough. Gorgar wants the internet. Just when I thought this podcast couldn't go any lower. Oh, I can get lower. My dick actually pipes out. Pornhub. Him bar internet, Ryan. What do you got? The internet's very frustrating. That's why I was saying, fuck Facebook. That's what I thought. Facebook, I hate you. Goodbye, Facebook. Hello, mobster bash. But the internet's so... Ooh, he's really having a crisis of conscience here. Well, because you have to do so much with it. Yep. Yep, can't use the internet every time. Can you imagine not having the internet now? But you can flip all those great games. But I'm a stupid man, so don't listen to me. True enough. Gorgar wants it. Pick the internet. I think I'm going to take the internet. That's the smart man's decision. It's more utilitarian. Pinball or barbecue and or smoked meats? Barbecue. Okay. That's not even a question. You'll keep the barbecue. Absolutely. Okay, so barbecue over the pinball. Ryan's like, I can share barbecue with everybody. I do love food. Yeah, I'll do. come to my house I'll make you good barbecue I'll take pinball I'm a barbecue guy though Drew knows this I spent more on my barbecue setup than I did on my pinball setup that's true so we're about 50-50 right now a couple more, pinball versus sunshine sun never comes out ever again sunshine that sounds apocalyptic that's pretty brutal Okay, we got one more. So, Ryan, pinball? Some of those pin side guys would pick fucking pinball. I know they would. So, the last one here. Pinball or the least liked person in your family? Oh, pinball. That's easy. I'd pick pinball on some of the medium people. Oh! And my final note to all you people listening in pinball land, relax. It's only pinball, baby. It's just pinball, baby. Make some plans. It's a stupid fucking game. Alright, boys. You guys feeling sexy? Every day. The moment I came down the stairs, I did. How about some love letters? How's that sound? To all our fans out there. We didn't get any this week from our fans, did we? No, I think we scared Brad off. Brad, if you're out there, brother, we're sorry. Brad, write us a love letter. If not a love letter, just email Say, hey man, still listening Still love you guys And what's that email? It's poormanspinball at gmail.com That's poormanspinball at gmail.com Like us on Facebook At Poor Man's Pinball Podcast I post memes And I share everyone else's news That's what we do We piggyback on everyone else Yeah, yeah And hopefully we get to stream some more with Ryan here So we're excited about that Because we were just talking about it I need some time under Some dialed in Dialed in and The Hobbit We talked about it on stream both Any game I have is up for grabs Love letters Alright, cue the music Oh, wrong music Wrong music Love letters Here we go, alright I'm going to let the music just a little bit a little bit of flavor Dear Black Rose You are great and wonderful pinball machine Your theme is awesome and your toys are supreme Your cannon really makes my knees reach Your music gets my heart pumping Your shots remind me of a Munster's film. Just open. You will forever be in my heart and when I think of you, a tiny amount of blood flows through the tip of my penis. Thank you for all your great memories. Forever yours. Thank you. The Munsters really got shit on a thousand times today. Truly. I am who I am. We all Literally, we have all shit on the Munsters. I am who I am. All right, how about our guest, Ryan? Ryan, what you got for us, buddy? You got a love letter. I have had quite the pinball weekend. And I was sat down by my wife to say that I've had a little too much pinball this week. We love you, Sue. So my love letter to my wife. Oh, that's sweet. It's not dirty, unfortunately. No, that's fine. That's actually probably why this was invented. If it keeps you married, we're all for it. Stay married to that woman, man. She's awesome. Seriously. We do love you, by the way. I only met you one time, but I feel like we've known each other for a while. Absolutely. His wife is awesome. So here it goes. Here's to... I'm sure when I first brought up the idea of buying one Pimmo machine a few years ago, you had no idea we would end up with seven. I want to let you know how grateful I am that each time I said this was the last one, you still let me get another one, or in some cases, two. When packages of pinball parts and mods show up, you don't bat an eye. I also want to acknowledge that you tolerate me going to pinball leagues and occasional tournaments and are also letting me travel across the country to go to pinball. I am appreciative of the times you have taken pictures of our daughter playing pinball and even printed them out for me to take to work and put on my desk. Thank you for being the best pinball wife an addict could ask for. Oh, man, that might have been one of the best love letters ever. Sue, you are a lucky woman to be married to this man. Thank you for recognizing that. Oh, truly. A little bit of blood rushed through my penis when I was reading that. No, I did it. Keep your hands off them. Man. Very good. Only all our lives can be so forgiving. Speak for yourself, Drew. Wah, wah. Drew gets abused. I love you, Kathleen. I love you, Kathleen. Actually, a tough act to follow, but here we go. Now we're going back to the dirty stuff. Yep. Sorry, Drew. Here's to my new dirty hobbit. And every time I do this, I don't know why, Ian cannot stop laughing. So I'm just going to go with it. It's my habit, buddy. Yeah, slow down. You're a great writer. As soon as I noticed your wide frame and your beautiful looks, I knew I needed to bring you home. When I got you there, all I wanted to do was turn you on and shoot up your ramp. straight to the back of your backbox. What did I miss? And my ball went into one of your gavel holes instead. What am I doing with my life? Drew. Drew. That was poetic. Ladies and gentlemen, that is love letters, everybody. Send your love letters to poormanspinball at gmail.com. Remember, we will read them on air. Please, it is the only thing that keeps me going. So I need to hear more emails from poor man. Man. So let's go, guys. I love it so much. Ryan, thank you so much for being our guest today. Thank you for having me. Are you coming back? Well, I think I have to. Okay. I mean, the invite's open. Yeah, the invite is open. So you're coming back, and we're going to do some streaming in the near future? Absolutely. With TurboGrafx-7? Fuck yeah. TurboGrafx underscore seven, correct? Yeah, because some dick got it without the underscore. Oh, there's a TurboGrafx seven without the underscore. Don't go to his Twitch. Yeah. What does he do? I have no idea. Oh, it's probably TurboGrafx games or something. Or nothing. Nothing at all. Probably just stole the name. I'll put the name and I'll try to find a link or whatever so we can link to his channel, but it's TurboGrafx, T-U-R-B-O-G-R-A-F-X underscore seven. Ryan has a hell of a lineup, and he streams like a mother, so check him out, dude, because it's going to be always entertaining watching him go. Mailbag? Mailbag. Mailbag. We got mails. We got mail, everybody. Sean D. Sean emailed us. What did he email us? He emailed us about the Kaneda conspiracy. So the YouTube clip that has been circling around, I saw it had over 80 views. A whole 80 views. Sounds horrible. I think he wanted to know what our thoughts were on the Kaneda conspiracy. So for those of you who don't know yet, it's basically a stupid video about Kaneda before going to JJP. before the accident. Yeah. How he was saying, everybody, wait. Wait. Don't spend money until you actually see something, right? Mm-hmm. Hold off. You've got all the time in the world. Wait. Just wait for your pinball. It'll come to you, and then you can buy whatever is the magic for you. And then the video goes to the other side of the coin after the access of JJP. And what happens? Oh, Kaneda gets excited about Willy Wonka, and he wants to buy one, and he does, and he drops down a deposit. And that's where I'm at, Drew. You beat it, too. No. I just want to kind of bring it up to you guys. What do you guys think about it? Yeah, what do you think, Ryan? Anything of note there? I mean, to me, I was just like, eh, whatever. Yeah. I don't think it has legs. Sorry, Sean. I mean, I just, you know, Kaneda is a lot of things, but honestly, he's not a shill. He just does this for the sake of doing it, I believe. Anyone else have a different opinion there? Right? Ryan's just grunting into the microphone, but I would say this. I'll say this. I will say that. Well, you know what? I will say this. Special win lit. Okay. They were there. Straight down the middle, the boys were there. Yeah, they invited several. And everyone got really excited. Media outlets, I guess, as you would say. And you know what? Were we invited? No, we weren't invited, but we were at the reveal, as was Ryan. I will say this. A couple things first. The media aspect of it, the pinball media. Which we're part of that, by the way. Yeah, I keep hearing that term, guys. It's been thrown around a lot more lately in the last couple weeks. It has. And I just want to kind of let everyone know that it's hard to be media, Pinball media, when you're not getting paid for this, this is literally... Opinions? People, like, we spend a shit ton of money on equipment so we can just talk pinball. But technically, we're part of the pinball media. I know, and I feel like, okay, first off, is it really... And technically, Ryan's part of the pinball media. Is it really fucking media when Ryan here is spending a lot of money on his streaming equipment, we're spending money on microphones, we just want to talk pinball, and like Ryan said earlier in this episode, we just want to be part of the community. We just want to do something different. We want to be vocal. We want to connect with more people in the hobby. Without this podcast, we would never have met Ryan. You know? True, true. We're down the street from each other. And we literally live like 10 minutes away. No, that's a good point. That really is. And that breaks my heart to make a negative connotation that pinball media. Like, all of a sudden it sounds like, oh, we started a podcast, therefore we're getting all this money from JJP to promote shit. We were at the reveal. Ryan was kind of lukewarm on the Wonka. Drew and I were very high on Wonka just because I thought it was... Wait, we're not getting paid for this? No, we're not. Oh, okay. Ryan, do you get paid for what you do? He gets his bits. I never collected on them. All these bits. I don't even know what a bit is. Go ahead. They're pennies. You already talked. You want me to keep talking? I'll keep talking. But no, I just feel like that one thing is that pinball media needs to fucking die or at least have a different connotation to it, number one. And number two, I just want to say that I was high on Wanka because I had a lot of fun playing it. Oh, we all did. Yeah, it was a really fun game. Ryan, what did you think about it? I think it's a great game. I think it's packed. But? I need to play it more. He wants to play it more. Here's the thing. It's not that I think it's a bad game. A great game doesn't mean I'm buying it. You know what I mean? Right. There's too many games and not enough money. Right. There's other games currently right now I'd rather have before that. What's that? It doesn't mean I won't get it, Wonka, eventually, though. Two games you'd want before Wonka. Star Trek Premium. Okay. Solid. and I do think this I think Pirates is one of the best games ever Pirates is good we've had limited exposure to it but I dig it no it's Pirates for the record when you play that game it like immerses you it is an immersion it is an experience it is a pinball experience however I don't like wide bodies but it doesn't feel like a wide body either, though. Either of you played the Collector Edition. Ah. I don't think so. Oh, man. Who do you know that has the Collector Edition? Well, if you guys would join the league, you'd play one. Oh, we're being put on blast right now. We will. We'll join something. We'll join the league. Would you get rid of one of your games to get Pirates and the lineup? I would get rid of Metallica. Wait, hold on. The Collector's Edition versus the, what's the other one? Limited Edition. Limited Edition, and then there's the Standard. How's the difference? What's the difference between limited versus collected? The art package is different. It's got all the barbicles on the arm and everything, but the topper... Oh my goodness. The topper. Don't poo-poo that topper. The $3,000 topper. That topper is one of the most amazing toppers ever made. Bro, look at my bar. I got like 16 empty bottles. I can make a topper that moves back and forth. It is incredible. You know what? It does look awesome. I will admit that. What does your wife say when you bring home a $12,500 pinball machine? She would say, what did you sell to pay for that? Okay. It's your soul. Anyway, thank you, Amanda. The whole conspiracy thing, I think, is a little far-fetched, only because all the other outlets really were excited. We were really excited. Anyone who has played Willy Wonka has been excited. I don't buy a lot of stock into it. I think they got some pizza, whatever. I don't care. I just, I don't, I don't, I don't read into it like that. They. Like, you gotta have some sort of common sense in this kind of situation, right? Just watch. You can't sit there and be like, oh, these motherfuckers are going to the, they're getting the wine and dine treatment. Correct. It's not necessarily true. Just watch all the reveals. Watch the way that any company, even Stern, has like released games. they're not I don't want to say smart enough but you know what I mean they're not getting these guys out there to do that they're just like hey it's some PR that's what I think a guy like Kaneda has a far reach because he has thousands of people listening to him which is fine so just get him on here that's it I think with Kaneda in particular he's been a very critical person to JJP. No. And if you can say, hey, bring one of our biggest critics in to look at this game, and he comes out of there going, hey, this is amazing. I think that was the reason for doing that. Sure. And like I said, you're talking about literally thousands of people now that he said, hey, yeah, this game is awesome. Buy it. I'm buying it. That's a pretty big endorsement. Kind of in the same vein, I do want to say with the... I don't agree he was that critical with them. I just don't. In general? I think in general. No, no, no, no, no. I always felt like what he thought about Oh, we're talking about a company, though. Jersey Jack. When Kaneda talks about Jersey Jack, I always felt like he said they were all so fucking very close. It was always just one thing. It's always just one thing, and he just wants them to bring it together. He did. Like, oh, the Hobbit had this I don't think it's out of character of him to say, you know what, I feel like they did it with Willie. But even now he's backing off of that because we're at that 60-day mark where are they starting to put him on the line? They're not. They're not listening yet. But either way, back to his point, just that they got somebody in there who's going to say, hey, this is a great game. It's just PR. I get it. Well, that's why they bring everyone in. That's why they bring special players. But that doesn't necessarily mean that those guys are going to shelf for everything. Speaking of Win Schilling, Drew and I are completely. Always going to shill. Always open for good old-fashioned shill fest. So American Pinball. How many sponsors do we have right now? We have zero. But the poor man's pinball at gmail.com. We will shill for you. We will shill so hard. Do you sell a crummy pinball product? We'll shill it. We'll shill it. Expose? Okay. I'll shill it. Sorry, I'll draw the line there. I'm not showing X-Files. Cosmic Carnival? Let's do it. I'll show Cosmic Carnival. I'll show. That game actually looks pretty neat. I wouldn't buy it, but it looks pretty cool. I would love to flip it. I'd love to flip it. All right. Anyway, so next on the mailbag, actually, you know, let's stick with Kaneda for a second. Kaneda, I love you, buddy, but where are we, Drew, with Kaneda Sockwatch? We missed it last week. Sockwatch. Did Kaneda wear any socks lately? I haven't been stalking his Facebook page, but I'm guessing no. Kededa, email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com if you wear socks. We're just waiting for one email to send us a picture with knee-high socks and say, here, here's my socks. I want to know if he wears socks. Drew's convinced he doesn't wear any socks. Every picture I've ever seen of him, he doesn't have socks. I think he's got low-cut socks on. He's wearing nice clothes, and he doesn't even have socks on. He's wearing a suit with no socks on. Man, maybe this week in pinball she could end this session Together With our power, we should be able to find out If Kaneda wears socks And Ryan's over here just like What did I get myself into? Socks? What's going on here? Facebook's talking Kaneda like fucking Two years deep and we haven't seen any socks So we're just trying to find some socks Deep reconnaissance on socks Sock watch Sock watch 2019 Alright, what else we got? Oh, clarification. Last podcast. We should talk about this. So I mentioned that Franchise sent me a logo for the Canadian Pinball Podcast. That was wrong. No, he didn't send me that. He sent me a logo for a podcast in Canada that was regarding pinball. I just put it all together. I didn't know there was a Canadian Pinball Podcast. So, no, he sent me a logo from the Pinball Nerd podcast, which I'm not familiar with. I don't know. However. That's Orbital Elbert. That's him. However. What's his name? He goes by Orbital Elbert. On Twitch or? I guess. That's his, like, nickname. Orbital Elbert. But I think his Twitch name and his podcast are Pinball Nerds. Those are Pinball Nerds. Okay. So, Pinball Nerds, I got your logo here, and I'm not tattooing it on my body at all, so sorry, guys. But, hey, some good stuff came from it, though. I actually, the Canadian Pinball Podcast actually... They did. They emailed us. Emailed us. They messaged us on Facebook. We were talking with those guys. Those guys are pretty fucking cool. I started listening to their podcast, and they aren't the Canadian versions of us. However, they always record in their car. I listen to about three or four episodes. They're always on the road, like getting more pinball machines, and that is not us. Thank you, Ryan, for being our guest today. It was incredibly fun. You're welcome back anytime. Absolutely. Please come back, Ryan. We need you. You have a lot to say. You have a lot of opinions, and you have a lot of something that you don't have. I'm a rambler. All right. You and me, buddy. I know. That's why we have a two-hour podcast. Ramble, ramble, ramble. Well, I just want to say thank you for having me. I love it. Can't wait until the next stream with you, man. Seriously. Yeah. All right. So, guys, email us at 4manspinball at gmail.com. 4manspinball at gmail.com. Send us your love letters. 4manspinball. 4manspinball. No, 4manspinball at gmail.com. There you go. What do you think? Yep. And just random questions. We'll answer them on the air. Yep. The mail-in section is always open, guys. And like us on Facebook, Performance Pinball Podcast. I always post the stupid shit on there. It doesn't make sense because it is somewhat pinball related. Check out Ryan at TurboGrafx247 on Twitch. On Twitch, the man is streaming as we speak. He's here and he's talking pinball. Thank you, guys. Thank you, everybody. We're calling it. Let's quit it. We will see you next week. Thank you. Bye-bye. Thank you.