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Kaneda Visits Automated Pinball During Saturday Morning Spectacular.

Kaneda Pinball Podcast YouTube (main)·video·1h 35m·analyzed·Dec 8, 2024
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TL;DR

Kaneda livestreams from Automated Pinball, interviews JJP's Jack Guarneri about 2025 pipeline and pricing pressures.

Summary

Kaneda visits Automated Pinball Services in Milford, Connecticut for a live recording session. He interviews Jack Guarneri from Jersey Jack Pinball about upcoming releases, business strategy, and licensing challenges. The conversation touches on 2025 game pipeline expectations (Harry Potter, Matrix confirmed; Goonies rumored for Spooky), pricing concerns across the industry, and reflections on Twippy Awards return.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack will release at least one new game in 2025

    high confidence · Jack Guarneri directly stated 'We're probably going to see at least one' when asked about 2025 game releases

  • Bader Manufacturing (Mirko) is now producing playfields for Jersey Jack Avatar CEs in addition to Mirko

    high confidence · Jack confirmed 'Bader's doing the playfields' and explained multiple vendors are necessary for supply chain resilience

  • Avatar CEs with three-color UV ink will release in 'a couple weeks'

    high confidence · Jack stated 'CEs are on the line when? Are they on the line? Soon, soon, a couple weeks'

  • Harry Potter and Matrix games are confirmed for Jersey Jack development

    high confidence · Kaneda stated 'we know Harry Potter and Matrix is coming down the road' and Jack confirmed these are real projects when asked about rumors

  • Michael Jackson pinball was never greenlit by Jersey Jack despite rumors

    high confidence · Jack denied the Michael Jackson/documentary rumor: 'No, not true... Michael Jackson, just never came up on the pinball machine'

  • Spooky Pinball is making a Goonies machine

    medium confidence · Kaneda reports this as 'one of the crazy rumors' from his podcast; describes it as 'Spooky Luke is making Goonies' with pirate ship/cannons

  • Barrels of Fun may also be making a Goonies pinball machine

    low confidence · Kaneda speculates 'maybe Barrels of Fun is also making a Goonies' based on Warner Bros not typically granting exclusivity

  • Pulp Fiction is one of the most overhyped games in pinball history

    medium confidence · Kaneda's opinion: 'it is one of the most overhyped games ever... it's just not worth the wait' and suggests it's better as a location game than a home machine

  • Pricing at $10,000-$15,000 is becoming unsustainable for the pinball market

Notable Quotes

  • “You've got to have more than one vendor for everything. You can't, you know, somebody is not able to do it. You've got to have more than one person doing things.”

    Jack Guarneri (Jersey Jack Pinball)@ 5:45 — Explains supply chain strategy for Avatar CE production shift to Bader Manufacturing

  • “When you have it, nobody wants it. When you don't have it, everybody wants it. That is the story of pinball.”

    Jack Guarneri (Jersey Jack Pinball)@ 7:30 — Addresses scarcity/demand dynamics; specifically references Wizard of Oz, Pirates, Hobbit, Dialed In high secondary market demand

  • “Everything we do, the next one we try to beat what we did last time. We try to go push the envelope. More technology, more fun, more features, more things.”

    Jack Guarneri (Jersey Jack Pinball)@ 6:18 — Jersey Jack's design philosophy and competitive positioning

  • “If you look at Apple, Apple doesn't jump in in the beginning. You know, they let the market settle out and they let other people try things. That's kind of the model we'll follow with connectivity.”

    Jack Guarneri (Jersey Jack Pinball)@ 8:02 — Jersey Jack's cautious approach to online connectivity features (competitive with Stern's IC app)

  • “I had to negotiate with his lawyer... I made an offer he couldn't refuse.”

    Jack Guarneri (Jersey Jack Pinball)@ 9:09 — References Al Pacino licensing negotiation complexity for Godfather pinball

  • “Elton is just the best shooting JJP game. The game, I love it... if you just like gameplay, you like the gameplay. It is the best.”

Entities

Jack GuarneripersonKanedapersonMikepersonJersey Jack PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyBarrels of FuncompanyStern PinballcompanyAutomated Pinball Servicescompany

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern CEO Seth Davis appears frustrated with previous game selection decisions (John Wick, Dungeons & Dragons); initiated community theme survey as corrective measure

    medium · Kaneda: 'Seth sent out the survey... It was Seth who put that survey together... why didn't we do this before we made John Wick... before we picked dungeons and dragons'

  • ?

    community_signal: Manufacturer (Stern) providing sponsored machines to select content creators (Vic Pimble) for extended play periods

    medium · Kaneda: 'Vic Pimble is getting sent machines by Stern... I'm shocked that more pinball companies don't mail the top content creators the games'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Jersey Jack pursuing cautious approach to connectivity features, using Apple model of market validation before adoption

    high · Jack Guarneri: 'If you look at Apple, Apple doesn't jump in... That's kind of the model we'll follow with connectivity'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Godzilla Black and White criticized for poor visual presentation and lack of 'bling'; comparison to Elvira Blood Kiss shows design priorities favor traditional aesthetics

    medium · Kaneda: 'Godzilla needed to be an LE... Godzilla black and white just feels a little boring... Elvira looks so much better'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Goonies non-exclusive licensing may allow multiple manufacturers (Spooky and Barrels) to develop games from same IP

    low · Kaneda: 'Warner Brothers does not often give exclusivity for a license' suggesting both Spooky and Barrels possible

Transcript

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0:00
It's a beautiful day here in Milford, Connecticut. We are at Automated Pinball Services. I've been in there. We're starting a little bit early today. I saw Mike already. I saw Jack is here. We're going to get people on camera. We're going to get people on camera. Todd Tucky is here. And we're just here to have a good time, see some pinball machines. I'll tell you this right now. This place from door to door, door to door, automated pinball is 33 minutes at most. Now, the way I drive that thing, 28 minutes. Door to door. Can come here, play every single machine. Mike's got everything. I was shocked. Jeff, what's up, brother? I'll see you inside. Mike's got everything. He's got an avatar. He's got Elton John 2CEs. He's got Godfather CE. He's got Jaws, Jaws Premium, Elvira Blood Kiss. I just saw Godzilla Black and White. We're going to do a lap and show you everything he's got.
1:20
The prices, I don't, you know, Mike, he's going to hear this. He's going to hear this. I love him. I love Mike to death. But basically, like, opened premiums are more expensive than they are, than they should be.
1:35
Or maybe they're right around it. I don't know. Like, they just, I don't know. I don't forget. What is a premium these days?
1:40
$9,400? Maybe they're not overpriced. but Elvira Blood Kiss is $12,999, which is, I think that's what that game was, right? It was $13,000. I will say, having just stood over Elvira Blood Kiss Edition, it's nice because Mike has it right on the other side of Godzilla, black and white. Elvira looks so much better, so much better. and you can tell Godzilla needed to be an Ellie. It needed more wow on the armor, more wow on the decals, on the inner art blades. It needed more bling. And Godzilla black and white, to me, just feels a little boring. I wish it had more pop. Then you go over to the Blood Kiss, the Red Blood Kiss edition, and it just looks incredible. Let's walk into Automated.

medium confidence · Kaneda expresses concern: 'you just don't see $10,000 to $15,000 items... there's just a lot of money and not enough in it for what they're charging'

Kaneda (speaking about Elton John 2CEs)@ 9:59 — Strong endorsement of Elton John as JJP's top shooting game from influential content creator

  • “2025 is going to be a year of games needing to live up to the extreme high price... I think that's going to be the biggest challenge.”

    Kaneda (Kaneda Pinball Podcast)@ 20:40 — Central thesis about market pressure and pricing concerns heading into 2025

  • “It's just not worth the wait... the more I play it the more I'm just happy to play it on location... there's absolutely no need to own it.”

    Kaneda (on Pulp Fiction)@ 39:53 — Critical reassessment of Pulp Fiction's value proposition after extensive play

  • “I'm shocked that more pinball companies don't mail the top content creators the games to have for a few weeks. Not to keep, but just to play them.”

    Kaneda (Kaneda Pinball Podcast)@ 37:53 — Commentary on manufacturer marketing strategy toward content creators; notes he hasn't been approached by Stern despite larger audience than Vic Pimble

  • “Why didn't we do this before we made John Wick? Why didn't we do this before we picked Dungeons and Dragons?”

    Kaneda (speculating about Seth Davis's thinking at Stern)@ 42:17 — Suggests CEO Seth Davis initiated theme survey because of frustration with marketing decisions; implies D&D was a strategic error

    • Avatarproduct
    Elton John 2CEsproduct
    Harry Potterproduct
    Matrixproduct
    The Gooniesproduct
    Pulp Fictionproduct
    Godfatherproduct
    Godzilla Black and Whiteproduct
    Elvira: Blood Kiss Editionproduct
    Spooky Lukeperson
    Mark Ritchieperson
    Mark Seidenperson
    Seth Davisperson
    Mirko (Bader Manufacturing)person
    Vic Pimbleperson
    Twippy Awardsevent
  • ?

    personnel_signal: Mark Ritchie (Elton John designer) starting second game at Jersey Jack; Mark Seiden and Eric Dross also on design roster

    high · Kaneda: 'So you've got Eric, you've got Steve, you've got Mark Seiden. So you're three designers, right?'

  • $

    market_signal: Market saturation at $10k-$15k price points creating sustainability concerns; consumers perceive insufficient value

    high · Kaneda: 'you just don't see $10,000 to $15,000 items... there's just a lot of money and not enough in it for what they're charging'

  • ?

    announcement: Avatar CEs with three-color UV ink playfields shipping in approximately two weeks with Bader Manufacturing as new playfield vendor alongside Mirko

    high · Jack Guarneri: 'CEs are on the line... Soon, soon, a couple weeks' and 'Bader's doing the playfields'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Barrels of Fun possibly also developing a Goonies machine; Warner Bros may not grant exclusive licensing

    low · Kaneda speculation: 'maybe Barrels of Fun is also making a Goonies pit... Warner Brothers does not often give exclusivity for a license'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Spooky Pinball developing The Goonies machine with pirate ship featuring cannons

    medium · Kaneda reports from podcast: 'Spooky Luke is making Goonies. Goonies has a huge pirate ship with cannons'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Pulp Fiction reassessment from hyped release to overrated location-only game; limited home appeal despite initial viral marketing

    medium · Kaneda: 'it is one of the most overhyped games ever... there's absolutely no need to own it... I'm just happy to play it on location'

  • ?

    business_signal: Jersey Jack using multi-vendor playfield sourcing strategy (Mirko + Bader) for supply chain resilience

    high · Jack Guarneri: 'You've got to have more than one vendor for everything... You can't... somebody is not able to do it'

    • 2:34
    I got my stand here. We can make it a little bit taller so people, when we meet people, we can set it up and just talk to people.
    2:56
    I'm kind of short. Five-nine-ish. All right. drove the toyota here this is the price of like really like three pinball machines now or that guys see here automated milford huge place huge place um i'm swinging the camera weird it's because I've got the tripod set up. But we're going to walk in, show you guys what it's like going through the door of Automated.
    3:37
    Jersey Jack got top billing here. Jersey Jack in the house. Okay, we're going to go through the door.
    3:48
    It's nice and quiet in here. Let me get Jack in here to talk to him. I mean, I don't have as much... There's not as much... I want to talk to Jack about the future games. Any truth to my rumor? Hold on. Let me spin this around.
    4:06
    Whoa. Wow, that got everybody dizzy. All right, this tripod... It's a brand new tripod, so I'm trying to figure it out.
    4:17
    All right. Here we go. Yes, exactly correct. We got Todd here. We got Jack here. We got Mike here. All right. What time is it? Is it 10 yet? It is. It's time to rock and roll. We're going to go. Let's get in here. We're live. We're going to. Oh, okay. We got the twins in here. We got Jack in the house. Hey y'all, how is... Jack, we always do our annual... Let me get this thing out, hold on. I don't even know how to angle this. Let me make it a little lower. Here we go. I'm here with the one and only... Jack, get in here, get in here. I'm here with the one and only... Jack Guarneri. You've been saying it wrong all these years. I've been saying it wrong for so many years. I mean, could you tell them it's Guarneri and not Guarneri? Guarneri, okay, Guarneri. Okay. All right, so, Jack, how are you feeling? I'm good, I'm good. How excited are you? I mean, we know Avatar's out. Yeah. CEs are on the line when? Are they on the line? Soon, soon, a couple weeks. Okay, and the UV ink, the three-color ink, how's it look? It's beautiful. It's beautiful? Yeah. Okay, Bader's doing the playfields. Yeah. Was there a reason for that? Mirko just turned it on? You've got to have more than one vendor for everything. Okay. You can't, you know, somebody is not able to do it. You've got to have more than one person doing things. Are we going to see Bader doing some other future play fields for you guys? I think so, yeah, sure. Okay.
    5:57
    When might the next game be? We're thinking sometime. When it's ready. Is it ready? Are you playing something that we don't know about? Yes, yes. Okay, how excited are you? I know you can't tell us. Come on, you're talking to Jersey Jack. I'm just saying, like, do you think you've got some themes coming? Lightning in a bottle. That are going to be the biggest themes you've ever had? Yo, bitch. We're always looking. How you doing? You know, everything we do, the next one we try to beat what we did last time. We try to go push the envelope. More technology, more fun, more features, more things.
    6:31
    I love what's coming down the road. You know the rumors. I know the rumors. But, you know, Harry Potter, Matrix, all exciting stuff. I know you can't say anything.
    6:41
    Margaritaville. Margaritaville, yeah. You know, you get some right, you get some wrong. May we see the return of a wide body?
    6:51
    You know, anything's on the table. I never say never, you know. Do you miss the wide bodies, knowing that you went? You know, look, it's got to be made right or else it's floaty and people like it, people don't like it. Everybody's got an opinion about it. Okay, what's your favorite Jersey Jack game? I've got to say it's Wizard of Oz. I still love Wizard of Oz. It was my first one. It had all the bells and whistles and everything. We put the kitchen sink in there. Yeah. You know what's amazing? is I went on the Pinside Marketplace today, this morning, I was up early. There's not even many Wizard of Oz games for sale. Do you wish you could run more? Just knowing that. You know, it's a hard thing. You could say that about Pirates. We get calls for Hobbit. Yeah. I get calls for Dialgun. Yeah. You know, it's weird. When you have it, nobody wants it. When you don't have it, everybody wants it. That is the story of pinball. The second demand skyrockets from supply gets cut off. Yeah, you know, if you tell somebody you can't have it, they want it. It's just the human nature, I guess. Talk to me about internet connectivity. I know you guys have, you went to IAAPA, you showed the redemption games, which is interesting. What about connecting all the machines? You've got all these owners. Is that something you guys are working on? We're working on it. You know, if you look at Apple, Apple doesn't jump in in the beginning. You know, they let the market settle out and they let other people try things. That's kind of the model will follow and connect to me. Okay. Is there any Prince pinball I always hear about? What do you think Prince would sell?
    8:19
    You know, I guess anything would sell. How many do you want to sell? Do you want to sell 20 or do you want to sell 20,000? Right, okay. How many do you want to sell? Do you want a Prince pinball machine? You know, I think... I love Prince. Yeah, so Michael Jackson was one that we heard you were close to sort of bringing to market. Was there... Do you feel like It would have worked or was the documentary not true? No, not true. Okay. I love Michael Jackson, just never came up on the pinball machine. Okay. Is there a theme that you guys had that you didn't make that you wish you would have made? Yeah, sure. It's very hard to get certain actors. Certain actors, they don't have the rights to them. Right. Or you get a license and you've got to negotiate with an actor. You know, like Al Pacino. Al Pacino never did a consumer product before. I had to negotiate with his lawyer. Okay. So it was a challenge, but I made an offer he couldn't refuse. It was on the game. Do the actors, do any of them with the deals, do they get a residual per game sold or do they get a flat? No, we don't do that. I don't do that. We pay a fee, give them a game and ... Okay. And are you designers? Do they get bonuses per game sold? Is that ... They have their own deals. I'm not going to get into that. All right. Now, Mr. Richie's over there. How excited are you for him to get going on his second game? Listen, Steve, I love it. I was just in the back before playing Elton John again. I can't get enough of that game because I just go to it. Best shooting game. It is the best shooting game you guys have made. The game, I love it. Everybody, you know, if you like Elton John, you'll love the game. If you love Elton John, you'll, I mean, you just got to have it. I think if you just like gameplay. You like the gameplay. It is the best. Yeah, like I think a lot of people fall into that boat. when you play it, it's such an addictive game to play. So you've got Eric, you've got Steve, you've got Mark Seiden. So you're three designers, right? Unless you want to design it. You know, like... You don't have any options there, man. No, I'm terrible. Extra wide body. You can make a game for the people that can't play pinball too well. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I probably could. Now, I want to get Akira. I want Big Trouble in Little China. Have you guys ever looked into Big Trouble in Little China? No, if you know somebody, let me know, and I'll look into it. Because I heard Kurt Russell's a real difficult one. Yeah, I don't know. You know, I think people get reputations not based on the truth. And I heard Tom Cruise is impossible. Tom Cruise, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that is. So no Top Gun coming? I don't know. You don't know. Okay. All right, so in 2025, are we going to see one new JJP game or two?
    10:56
    2025, that's next year. We're probably going to see at least one. Okay, at least one. At least one. All right, at least one. All right, all right. Well Jack, it's always good seeing you. You're always a great sport. You know, you got the only machine in my home I love my Guns N' Roses CDs. Guns N' Roses is great and I remember we were at the concert together. Yeah, they're going back on tour. I don't know. I think Axl needs to hang it up. Like it's not in his lifetime turned into like every single day. You know, it's just it's too much. Slash is playing the guitar like a madman. Slash is great. It's just Axl just can't hit the high notes like he used to. You know, like you look at Paul McCartney. Some people say he's not that great, but still Paul McCartney. Yeah, I know he still acts like he's great.
    11:41
    Yeah, I mean, if you love him, you love him. I saw Motley Crue's now in like a Kia commercial or something, like Home Sweet Home. I'm like, what happened? All right, well, Jack, thank you. We're going to do a lap around automated. Always a pleasure. I like your jacket, man. Thank you. The houndstooth, you know. It's very nice. Look, next time I need a jacket. Brendan and I have matching ones.
    11:59
    She's a great woman. I will, Jack. I will. All right, everybody. So you guys want to chat? The twins? Let's go.
    12:07
    How many people are watching? I don't know. 60-something? What's up, all? What's up, guys? It's the twins!
    12:15
    The twins are here! This is my security detail. These guys. The only thing. The only thing that's occurring lately is the buffet.
    12:23
    Is there pizza coming later? Yes, yes. Well, they said it before the tournament. All right. So there's a tournament here, guys. You should get here. Milford, Connecticut. If you're in the Northeast, you can see Jersey Jack. Jersey Jack is here. Join the tournament. There's a tournament going. Bring your truck, bring your trailer. We'll fill it up with games. We'll help you load it up. We have the Christmas specials ready to go. We'll load your card. Any holiday you want. We can call it your birthday. Is the Black Friday sale still going on? Of course. Digital Saturday.
    12:58
    Cyber Saturday. Alright. All right, we're going to go out. Mike, he's over. Hey, did you show him all the screens? Come here. Did you see all the screens? These are all security screens? Go full around over here. This guy, Mike would have caught the guy who assassinated the United Health CEO with all these cameras. What is that? Is it too soon? Gosh, I thought that was a pretty relevant joke. I mean, the cameras are everywhere. We're going to play an avatar. Go rough, guys. That is, wow. Chris, go rough. I don't want to get on your bed. All right, we'll be back. Yeah, all right, we're gonna let's do this. I want to um, I'm gonna turn it around so you can see
    13:42
    I'm gonna do a lap There we go Yes, I can hold it Morning good. All right So we got... Oh look, they actually shipped the Pulp Fiction.
    14:12
    Pulp Fiction, Cactus, E.V.O. Everyone's waiting on their O.E.s. Alright, we're gonna do a lap. There's some great lineup of Jersey Jack machines here.
    14:28
    Avatar! I'm going to have to jump on and see if the clips and the voices sync up. I don't know. We've got two beautiful Elton John Cs.
    14:39
    I will say again, Elton is just the best shooting JKT game. Godfather. Oh, sorry. Sorry, guys. All right, we got Godfather. We've got another Godfather. Another Godfather. Dialed in. Another dialed in. Toy Story 4. Toy Story 4. Let's see how much a Toy Story. See, Mike, you're not going to get 15, Mike. This game is selling for like It's selling for like 9 or 10 now.
    15:44
    Blanca still looks great. Hobbit looks amazing. I will say like... And then Guns and Roses. Oh, we got a Labyrinth here!
    15:58
    I'm gonna go ahead on this row. I'm excited to play Labyrinth. I have never played Labyrinth. Alright, we're going to go this way and show you guys. And then we're going to do the show.
    16:15
    We've got beetles. Two beetles. Two turtles. We've got some Jurassic parks. We got Rush, Iron Maiden, Alien. Wow, this thing is like, this back box is huge.
    16:46
    Yeah. I know. Don't worry. It'll be recorded. Spider-Man. We got X-Men. We'll have to play some X-Men.
    17:09
    Godzilla. Code is updating. See, to me, this just does not look... It just doesn't look as good. I mean by the way again, this is the most empty game of all time. I know this is the pro, but there's nothing in it. This just looks so much better than Godzilla.
    17:50
    Avengers, Star Wars, we got some Jaws, we got some Goof Fighters, John Wick, and James Bond 60th. All right.
    18:20
    Okay, so as you can see, I don't know why my tripod is so loosey-goosey. Oh, I see where it is. I didn't hear it. Hold on.
    18:42
    There we go. New tripod, just figuring it out. Okay, we're going to talk a little bit. Then we'll get Todd on camera.
    19:00
    Alright. Let's do a little show. And then we will... Then we'll go see some more personalities. Because this is why I'm here.
    19:16
    This is why I'm here. Just to... Okay. I want to talk pinball. Talk the rumors we had the other day.
    19:36
    It is cold out. Okay. I'm gonna get it don't worry all right we're here at automated let's get there okay so it was nice talking to Jack I have a lot of thoughts about this year there's not like a controversial thing to talk about with Jack some of the play fields on it looks like Elton John are having a few issues but most I don't think are having any issues we all know that Harry Potter and Matrix is coming down the road we know Jack is the perpetual salesman so he's going to sell it So that's good. But, you know, what we all do now know is that 2025 is going to be a year of games needing to live up to the extreme high price. and that's going to be, I think, the biggest challenge of 2020-2025. I think it's at these prices.
    21:11
    I got to be completely candid, everybody. As I was just walking around Mike's showroom and seeing all the games, you just don't see $10,000 to $15,000 items. I mean, that's the part that's just continues to chip away at this hobby gang is, come on, like, it's just, yeah, like, you know, I think, like, the most anybody ever wants to spend on a pinball machine would be, like, 12 large. And I think there's just a lot of money and not enough in it for what they're charging. so that's that's i think a new reality for for this hobby um the twippies are back we are excited they're um you know i i'll say this i'm really happy they're back i don't know why there's 18 categories for best location play i just they need to just stop with the location stuff because the problem with location play is not everybody has access to those locations and then you just end up having locations setting up laptops and just vote as you come through the door it's just not even like it's different if it's a game or a podcast or artwork like you know what i'm saying because everybody has access to those things and there's no you know there's no confusion about those things. No, I'm eligible to win. There's best podcast, there's best content creator, there's best streamer, there's a lot of categories that are still available. So I'm not ineligible. So I fully support the new Twippy. So I'm down. I want everybody to get your votes ready. I would love to... You know me, I would always love to win and get that recognition because I do think I do put out a damn good podcast. And I think my lives are also very good. I think the constant cadence of content coming from Canada's Pinball Podcast over the years is enjoyable for you, entertaining for you. And if it wasn't, people wouldn't tune in, they wouldn't listen, and heck, they wouldn't pay for it. So we're almost at 730 subscribers again. we kind of fluctuated the last couple months But I happy with where we at Really the only pinball podcaster making any money doing it which is fun And you know it a nice recognition for all the hard work and I think a lot of people appreciate it I've met a bunch of fans here already today, so I want to give everybody who is a Canada fan here a nice shout out. It's always good to hang out with people. You know, when you have 730 plus all you cheapskates who may try to log in without paying, you know, it's nice to just put faces to people because I see a lot of just names.
    24:26
    I see a lot of names just on the chat and I see names on Facebook, but, you know, I don't always get to stand six inches from people.
    24:34
    Oh, how's everybody doing? How's everybody doing? Happy Saturday morning. I might have to take a quick break and set something up real quick. So why don't we do this? Let me keep it on. I'm going to be honest. I need to take a quick bathroom break and then I'll be back. So I will be right back. I'm going to keep it on the car.
    24:59
    Just give me one sec. I need to take a bathroom break. I drove here and it's just one of those things. So be right back. Don't steal my camera. haters
    27:37
    All right. Gosh, when you got to go, you got to go. There's no other way around it.
    28:07
    you know, it was just like, I, I, yeah, I feel a hundred thousand times better. Oh, beautiful day. Beautiful day.
    28:22
    Um, so yeah, Colin, man, thank you for rebooting the Twippies. I see you're in the house. It's, um, it's going to be good. You know, like I, I'm going to see if I can make the trip to wormhole. Obviously I have a lot of good friends there and you know, I know they have an amazing facility, but Oh, you know, the challenge for me is always, it's always having the two kids and putting the burden on Brenda. We don't have any family to help out.
    29:06
    There's only one thing you need to do to make the Twippies work. Just make it entertaining. That's it. Just be entertaining. One of the best...
    29:16
    When Zach and Greg did it before the live show in Texas, it was entertaining. And of course it was awesome when they did it live in Texas.
    29:28
    You know, the production problems have always been what have made the Twippies struggle the last few years. And, you know, sometimes like you, you can, you can get people to host the show that it's hard. It's a hard thing to do. I think I would excel at it. I should host the twippies. I'd be like, pinball is fine. The thing is, like, no one jokes enough. Do you ever notice this? Like, people just don't joke enough. Like, the problem I always see with all the pinball award shows is the overwhelming earnestness people have. Like, gang, go look at all the award shows. How do they start out with a comedian making fun of all the people that are nominated? so like when you start a twippies someone should get up there and roast the industry for a little bit i know a guy who wears pink sunglasses an inappropriate hat and women's clothing and there's actually a men's unisex jacket um that would do a very good job of roasting oh i love this Corvette. Here we go. Of roasting the industry. You know, oh, like beautiful red bed.
    30:49
    Yeah. Hell yeah. So, you know what I'm saying is like, we should be making fun of like, of everybody and each other because it's, it's enough to laugh about that In a world in which most people can't afford tuition and student loans and holiday gifts and their mortgages, we plunk down $7,000 to $15,000 per game when we've already got multiple games in the house.
    31:27
    Jamie would have to sign. Jamie won't do it because a Canadian roast of the industry, you don't want to start out like that. There's a reason why Ricky Gervais hosts the whole show.
    31:42
    Can't follow Canadian. Can't follow me. You can only hope to contain me. No, Jamie's going to do a good job. He's going to do a good job. He's from the Northeast. He knows how to do sarcasm well. The 40 people in attendance, like very limited tickets was interesting. Like, how do you even get in there?
    32:06
    Kaneda shows up. If there's 40 people inside Wormhole Pinball, I guarantee you Kaneda shows up. There's 41 people inside Wormhole Pinball. Okay, let's just be accurate about that.
    32:20
    I love the car, gentlemen. Thank you. I like your coat. Oh, it's cold out. Yeah, right? How's she drive? Good? Yeah. Really good. It's a good song. I'm Stu. Stu, Chris. They're on tour, baby. But they're not coming to New York. Is he singing again? Yeah. He got his voice back. I thought it was his hearing. No, maybe. He was going deaf. I thought that's why he had to stop. He had to close vocal cords at Madison Square Garden. Axl took over for him. I saw the Axl ACDC concert. You did? I didn't see that. That was good. It was good. Axl was like... I mean, Axl can't sing now. They're all getting too old. He's not bad, dude. I'm honest. man the part when they i mean he's helping some of the higher notes but you got to remember axel is one of the only guys that has a five octave voice him corey taylor from slipknot fallout boy michael patton has a six octave but a four is rare a four is like uh i think whitney houston's a four axel got you five is like where i am he was like mercury yeah he's great they're a level over here so to say he's losing his voice he's going to five octaves like yeah maybe you lost that last one yeah yeah he still sings great yeah performed three hours straight yeah no no they put on a good show so i mean i i love my g and r pinball machine i'm doing a labyrinth now jeff you guys are on
    33:37
    and the dice play came on in between uh really i think it was the pretenders dice still regrets that he got cold feet and didn't do masses for a garden He was the first comedian ever to get offered the garden. And he like, he got scared. Now he's on Gravesend. He came out in front of a full MetLife. It's an Amazon...
    33:58
    Oh, I want to see that. Gravesend? That's where I was born. He's on, uh, you were born in Brooklyn? Yeah. So he comes out, right? And there's this whole new generation, woke kind of crowd. Yeah. He's doing...
    34:10
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's talking about like, women... We saw him at West Friday Music Fair. They were like, boo him. I remember they booed him when he went on SNL back in the day. Oh, my God. But he did his thing. He was like a shock jock comedian. Him, Carlin, and... Go look at old Eddie Murphy Raw. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. All right, Jen, get in there and play some pinball. I'll see you guys in there. Let's meet you guys. Let's meet you. See you, too. I'm not kicking out. I'm just doing this live show.
    34:39
    We'll play. Go play Avatar. It's a kid's show. Yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Just going chatting about stuff, you know.
    34:54
    Mike Donk is in the house. So look, gang, on the Canadian Pinball Podcast yesterday, some really crazy rumors. Spooky pinball making the Goonies. That's it.
    35:08
    Making the Goonies. Spooky pinball. Who do you want on camera? I could go, I could ask, you know, Todd said he'd jump on. I'll go in there. It's loud in there. That's why I came out here. And I want to definitely play some pinball too. And I don't have all day to be here either because I need to get back for, um, some friends are coming over around like one. So I'm going to start the fire. Look, it's, um, it's never going to be a good time to launch Cuphead? Just launch it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, there's just never going to be that window. Hey, you guys, Spooky Luke is making Goonies. Goonies has a huge pirate ship with cannons. So really interesting. But the other interesting part was that Warner Brothers does not often give exclusivity for a license. So that was the other big news is that maybe Barrels of Fun is also making a Goonies pit. We'll see. I'm excited because Labyrinth is here.
    36:21
    Avatar is here with the new code. Elton John is here. You know, look, this place is 30 minutes from me. I absolutely, whenever a new game comes out, I need to do a better job of just driving here and playing everything. Wormhole pinball is in the house. Jamie, I bet Colin was like, Jamie, you got to go on. Kaneda's saying he will do an intro for the Twippies in which he roasts the pinball companies.
    36:53
    I mean, look, look, there's so much to make fun of in pinball. There's so much to make fun of in pinball. It is the easiest hobby to go around the horn and just make fun of every company for all the different idiosyncrasy things that they each stand for. Right? Come on, people. But we don't do it. We don't do it. We don't want to burn our friends. We don't want to burn, like, I still want to get the invite. I saw Vic Pimble. Have you guys seen Vic Pimble? I don't know if Vic's here right now. I think Vic Pimble is getting sent machines by Stern. I saw a post yesterday. he got two premium machines and he thanks Stern Pinball and it was a sponsored post.
    37:41
    So I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. I never got an offer from Stern Pinball to play their games. I have a bigger audience.
    37:50
    I'm happy Vic's doing it. Like, I think it makes total sense. I'm shocked that more pinball companies don't mail the top content creators the games to have for a few weeks. Not to keep, but just to play them for a few weeks.
    38:08
    Frank, I'll be here for like... I'll be here for like at least another hour, hour and a half. Making fun of the podcasters. Yeah, absolutely. Everyone takes themselves way too seriously. I mean, clearly I don't. I don't even take myself seriously. that's why I dress this way.
    38:32
    It's fun. Coat's actually really warm. As my mama would say, there's no bad weather, just bad attire.
    38:43
    Load those Pulp Fiction LEDs. I don't care if that's an appropriate way to load games that are going overseas.
    38:52
    What an idiotic post for a company that knows people are sick of hearing from them, that they want to post a container image at the same time telling everybody that they are delayed again. Just F off, CGC. Like, honestly, nobody... I bet 30% of Pulp Fiction LEs will never be... will never even be purchased.
    39:22
    They're not. And again, there's a Pulp Fiction here. it can it's one of the most overhyped games in all of pinball it really is if it wasn't for that zach many video which was amazing and you know the the like we we love the how the game was introduced to us but i'll say this it is one of the most overhyped games ever the more i play it the more i'm just happy to play it on location it's the perfect location game it's the kind of game where you you take 20 bucks you play it on location and there's absolutely no need to own it doesn't have like extremely deep code it doesn't have like the assets are not there you're gonna get tired of the same five six songs i'm telling you it's most over it's it's it's just not worth the wait it's not it's not worth the wait if they got them all made the year they revealed it would have been great, but they didn't. And I think time has not been ultra kind to that game. There's just too much other great stuff that's come out since. And so much great stuff that's coming out this year. 2025 is going to be great for pinball people. The prices suck. It's not going to be great for your wallet, but I definitely think there's going to be stuff that you're really going to want, irregardless of the price. So I think we're going to see Matrix. Matrix, I think we're going to see Goonies, I think we're going to see Harry Potter, I think we're going to see King Kong, I think we're going to see...
    40:56
    You know, Stern does have Fallout. I keep forgetting that because I just don't understand why they would make a Fallout pinball machine, but I could see Fallout... I could see Fallout or Dungeons and Dragons, I don't know.
    41:18
    Chris. How you doing? Are you alright? I can see Fallout being, you know, in place of Dungeons & Dragons. I just don't see D&D, gang, like being a seller.
    41:40
    I just don't. I just don't see the demand there for D&D. I think there's going to be, I think, I think Seth is like over, I think Seth Davis is tired of listening to some of the marketing people at Stern making some boneheaded decisions. I, I think that's why Seth sent out the survey. It was Seth who put that survey together. What themes do you want? It wasn't George, Gary, none of them ever did that before. you know he's the ceo it's just it was the right thing to do because he does that he's like well guys like why didn't we do this before we made john wick why didn't we do this before we picked dungeons and dragons why didn't we do any of this like why are we how are we going to go down a 12 to 16 month million dollar two million dollar development cycle and make something that we don't even know people really want like why would we do that i'm not just going to take jody's word for it. It's not a great theme. It's just not a great theme for pinball. I mean, D&D was always like, like, it wasn't even like that popular. I look, I think, I also think, and I'm curious to see what the reaction will be. I'm just curious if Pokemon and Harry Potter fan bases really, really translate into pinball buyers.
    43:18
    If there's crossover there is the word I was looking for. Like, I don't know. I don't think there's nearly as many as people think.
    43:25
    I think there's more Rambo fans than Pokemon fans in the pinball buying demographic. Just throwing that out there. Throwing it out there. so that being said i mean pokemon would be perfect for all insider connected stuff and for uh magic the gathering i don't like all these card games i don't know they're not like i'd rather have a family feud pinball machine like has anyone made a family feud pinball machine that would be so cool with like the you know the tile todd you want to chat real quick? Oh, yes. Look who I found. I'm the star of this show. I know. I know. I know. I'm the star of this show. Get in here. How you doing? You're not leaving, are you? No. God, no. I had to go on Facebook to see where the hell he was. Yeah, because it's loud in there. You were holding court. It is loud. It was like the last, you know, the last supper. They're all in there talking. Well, first, we want to say our condolences. We're so sorry. Thank you. It's good to see you. My wife specifically said, do not cancel your trip to the automated show. We had coverage. We arranged coverage. We had no idea she was going to pass away. But a lot of you, we have thousands of comments and wishes, well wishes, thousands of them. So we're going to print them all and have them in Pam's book, her memory book, for our grandchildren. So that they can know mom, grandma. That's a good way to do it. And of course, another good way to do it is to come. I realize a lot of you can't come to automated show, but guess what? I have a surprise. And actually, your viewers, this is a first because I haven't told anybody yet. Okay.
    45:17
    Prior to the show, everybody, we have the TNT crew here. So I think there's six of us total. We filmed the bargain basement for Mike. bargain basement video is all contained in mr phone and we're going to put the video together and you're going to be able to see stuff you haven't seen before it's not even on mike's list did you find a hundred guns and rosies lds back there somewhere i heard there's a rumor they're in here so there's about 60 really yes in the box did you shoot it we filmed you will see in the video a sea of brand new games so see of them he they want what for those now 11 or 12 11 we could if we open the box you could probably get one maybe about about nine brand new but it would be showroom play so there'd be some showroom plays on it and he has to open them right there's like that he can't sell below map is that the thing that's right open box and then we'll play they We have to play them. Why is that? Why do you like that rule? You have to deal with it. But I bought, like Mike bought Jack's merchandise like three and a half years ago, four years ago. And now he can't sell it for the market value. No. That's just crazy. Well, first of all, Mike, you have to follow the rules.
    46:44
    And, you know, the old policy, you don't shit where you eat. Right. And you got to be, you know. It's a kid's show.
    46:51
    I'm not that. It's, it, but. So he, okay. You're allowed that one word. Yeah, so, all right. So there's 60, how many games does he have in total back there? Like a lot? I would say 500. In boxes? In boxes. Remember, this is his whole warehouse. I know, but like, like, is he over ordering?
    47:08
    No, back then. Okay. But now it's tough because when you buy new games, you have to commit to certain amounts of games. Right. Now he has 15 Metallica limiteds, but they're all sold. They're all sold. He could only get 15 because everybody wanted them. Yeah. And, you know, but Mike can make a deal that bargain basement. You'll look at the minute number of the film and call Mike on the phone. 800 I been saying the number all this time 727 That Mike direct line So these are going to be prices that are bargain based prices Yes. What's GNRLE in a box? Well, we didn't do the brand new games. That's Mike's. You call Mike and you'll do a brand new game with Mike directly. We did all the used ones. Mike has hundreds of used games and you'll see them in the bargain basement. We walk by them. How do you get access to these? I have my ways. But there's a lot of video games, tons of them, and then of course he's got a bunch of used video pinball machines here and then uh and he has a list in here. He has the list. Do you think they'll fit? There it is. Looks great. Looks amazing. We're going to get you a pair.
    48:33
    I think they look great on you. Well, it may not be my color, but, you know. Actually, it's nice with the sunglasses on. Does he have Space Hunt up there? I did not see a Space Hunt. Labyrinth? Labyrinth is up there. He's got Labyrinth. He's got Alien, Ripley's, and the regular Aliens. Do you think Jack's got Hobbit next coming? We've heard. What are the rumblings in the power circle of dealers and distributors?
    49:03
    King Kong next? You know stuff. I can tell you this. Yeah, tell me this. After I watched Canadian's show, Chris's show, I called Mike and I said, is this really coming? And Mike says, they don't tell me anything. Right, okay. He knows Jack's games. Well, we actually spent, we had a wonderful dinner last night. There were 13 of us at a really nice restaurant nearby. And Jack was there too, of course. And we had a great evening together. And, you know, it's, you talk shop to a point. Actually, last night, everybody asked what their favorite game was. And we told Jack that he couldn't tell us any of his games. because I don't think that would be fair. But we couldn't get Jack to tell us what his favorite pinball was. He still wouldn't. He still wouldn't tell us. But mine's pinball. Everybody knows that. That's the ultimate game. What's your favorite JJP game? Oh, you're not going to like this. Avatar? No. Dialed in or? Wizard of Oz. Well, that's what Jack just said. Now, I will tell you. Look, I understand why Woz would be number one for a lot of people. It's still their most loaded game ever. It has all the assets. It's iconic. Oh, I could share with you something about that game.
    50:33
    Do you know in all the advertising and all the trailers for Wizard of Oz, they never showed the ball, the crystal ball. They never showed that there was a TV in it. And Jack told me. I didn't even know it was there. I'm playing the game and all of a sudden the screen's on. I said, the ball had the little TV set in it. And Jack said, he said, Todd, he said, I wanted to give everybody something special that we didn't promote. A hidden feature. Do you think they've gone backwards? I mean, look at Avatar. It's not nearly the same toys. It's a beautiful game. I get it's beautiful, but so is a silk scarf. I mean, you know, on some level, where'd the mechs go? there's a lot of mechs on avatar what any one toy well the underground stuff yeah but he's not you don't bash anything you don't you don't load anything you don't fire anything you know like like was beautiful the original was had the flying monkey right yes it had the witch came up yes it had the spinning house spinning house it had two upper play fields yes it did with the doors it had the tree pop bumpers that were beautiful sculpts it had the crystal ball it had the the state fair drain well the funny thing is is that's the only thing i don't like on wizard of oz is the state fair drain it drains too much yeah and then and then to save the ball move the move the post over just a little bit so we can keep it there a little and you can't right i don't think it's adjustable it's it's it's adjustable but that's such a minor thing you know no pinball machine is perfect yeah i mean why is i i will say that was as a shooter is a little like even though it's a wide body it's kind of like a narrow gameplay experience where you're shooting up the middle most of the game you know it's not a lot of flow in that game a lot of stop and go no but it's the concept it's the incredible graphics wizard of oz was the first scheme to have that huge TV.
    52:44
    See, I said TV. And most important, they got all the assets. Jack got all the assets. And then he had to hire some actresses to do the voices and things, but it was spectacular. Has anyone put the new IO board into Woz and does it work? I have not heard it. I have not heard. Because, you know, Woz, the older games did have the floatier, flipper feel, but I mean, I replaced Guns N' Roses' I.O. board and it plays phenomenal now. I would think all you'd have to do is change the pass. Couldn't you take your old I.O. board out and change the pass? Someone has done that. You know what I love too in Waz? The original Waz, that wooden apron is amazing. I mean, it's just like every... That's why I'm just like, I hope we see... That was Jack's baby. That was his baby. And it was $6,500.
    53:33
    That's the crazy part. Like $6,500. You can't even get a pro machine for that now. But then again, money was different pricing then. But remember, that was almost 15 years ago. Yeah, and it also bankrupted them because he didn't charge enough for what he put into the game.
    53:54
    Look, I think they've got some really big titles coming. I think for 2025, I mean, it's going to be a year of, I think, a lot of... It's going to be a tough year to decide what to buy because people are running out of room. I think space is the number one problem. I hear it from everybody. It's not even like money. It's just room. And also, if you want to free up space, it's not easy to sell the games anymore like you used to be able to because you're going to lose a lot of money now. These Stern LEs used to be money in the bank, and unless it's an L-Win now, these 13K LEs are all dropping to 10 in six months. But you out there shouldn't be buying games based on resale prices. No, no. Buy games based on what you like. But you know, Todd, because it was easy to buy. Everyone likes pinball, though. So people used to be able to buy everything and then move it on after six months and not lose anything. Those days are over. You can't just dabble anymore. Oh, thank you. Everybody is saying things on the comments for me. Thank you very much. I just saw Apollo did. It's hard to read the graphics. These people love you, Todd. They don't love me. It was unbelievable. The moment you joined. No, you are an important part of our culture. The Twiggy's are back. What do you think? Well, are we qualified? We're eligible. We are. It would be. How about voting for the two of us? Canadian and Todd. TNT and Canadian. Please. Listen. But you can, there's so many other great channels. Are there? Yes. Carrie Hardy? I'm joking, I'm joking. So you win for streamer, right? That's your, for TNT streamer. Well, we've been doing a lot of live because I have not, I've run out of time to edit. And do you know my live videos get more views than my edited ones? That's why I like, same here. It's like so much easier to do live. The thing I think Todd should win this year is one of the categories is the best pinball community member. And I'm just saying, is this not the best pinball community member in Todd Tuckey? All the years, Todd, you were in this before most of us even got into this. 45 years going on 46 years. Did you win the Lifetime Achievement too, right? I did. You got that. I can tell you, Chris, that was my greatest honor. I couldn't believe I won. I really, honestly saying that. I couldn't believe it. And I was completely speechless, as you saw. I still managed to irk out some, but it was difficult not to start crying. I was so happy. It was such an honor. And all those people clapping and people standing up. It was nice. It was nice to be recognized. Now there's going to be 40 people at Wormhole. It's something we love, too. 40 people at Wormhole clapping. It's not a TPF this year. It's going to be at Wormhole Arcade, or it's like a private pinball club in Houston. Should we go?
    56:49
    We could. Don't you think they should, like, fly us out? Oh, I thought they're not doing it at TPF. No, Houston. See, I didn't read enough. I mean, from what I know about the Wormhole crew, these guys got money. They've got every rare machine. They just don't got Todd, Tucky, or Kaneda. But, you know, like, we can meet at the airport. A couple, I think, two first class tickets waiting for pinball royalty. We'll take coach.
    57:18
    At a room, a nice room. Yeah. A room and a coach. We'll bunk together. Like, it'll be great. So this is a beautiful day, you know? We've got, what do you, did you play anything yet? Or you just, you've seen all this stuff? We filmed. Okay. And once again. What time did you get her to film? Well, we were here yesterday. Okay. We came yesterday around one or two. We made the video then. And then next week we'll put the video up. and then you'll have to look at the minute mark to get the pricing. I like that. So you watch the video. It's first come, first served. It's your boss. Whoever sees it gets it. And I'm going to say we probably have maybe 200 games on this or more on the video. Arcades and pinball or just both? Both. Mostly arcades because that's what he has mostly upstairs. But the used pinballs, and Mike has to do the pricing himself on the new ones, but he's ready to go. Oh, most important for some of our local people, Anything you buy, Mike can deliver to TNT, and then you can come and pick it up from TNT free. All right, that's nice. You don't have to pay for shipping. More a week, the TNT guys can deliver it. So if you buy stuff from Mike, Mike's truck comes to TNT about every week. You know, we've sold hundreds of new games through Mike. Yeah. So a purchase, if you buy a new game, it's through Mike. You're a dealer, right? And he's a distro. Yeah, we are a dealer, but we're partners with Mike. So I'm a part of automated, automated support of TMT. So we are now connected. Okay, nice. Which is good because we're able to sell more products. What do you think of Evil Dead? Is it a team you like, Tom, Evil Dead? Well, you made fun of my movies. it's a great movie it has great effects evil dead has that amazing shot with the camera going through the woods yeah it's it i i think the movie is yes of course i'm a fan it's a terrific and that pitbull looks terrific yeah that's great all right fran she did a great job on the art my chris he's gonna he's gonna be watching he's gonna reveal to the world in an interview with George Gomez why he's no longer at Stern. I heard that. I just hope it's not my fault. I don't know why. It's not my fault. I don't think it was. You know, the problem with Chris is he keeps doing this artwork and he's trying to get me not to like his older artwork. But personally, I think his greatest work was the monsters monsters and second would have to be batman i mean it's interesting when you look at batman because it does look so good because those colors are so vibrant and fun but it but there's not a lot on the batman playfield because it's a lot of its gradient with the characters but it still it pops because of those colors it's it's one of stern's greatest games yeah Because he did Guardians of the Galaxy. That was beautiful. He's done such great stuff. But it's difficult because people still don't understand why I think Pinbot's the greatest pinball ever made. It's the perfect pinball. Yeah. I bet he wishes he didn't do Galactic Tank Force. He did a great job on that. Why do you think that didn't sell well?
    60:54
    The biggest reason is it wasn't ready to be released. Is it ready now? Well, I will tell you, I hear your voice. Did it get good? I'll never forget your exact words.
    61:11
    Quote, did they even play the Whitewood? Yeah, I don't think they did. That tank right up the middle so close to those flippers is just not fun to shoot. So you can't have a game where the main mech you're trying to avoid, and it's right up the middle. Remember all those air balls? The balls were bouncing over the flippers. Well, they figured that out. They did fix it. So if you buy a new galactic tank for us, the stuff's in place. But what were they doing for two years when they were testing the game? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. Everybody was excited.
    61:46
    Well, that launch video was tough, too, when they had that strange launch video. Well, the problem with the launch video was my friend Jeff Oler at Arcade Hollywood filmed it. And he couldn't show a lot of the footage he shot because there were issues. What issues? The game. The air balls. Okay. The wear. There was things that they fixed, but they had to cut all of it out. And they ended up using more character footage than gameplay footage. Now, Jeff has since made a fantastic barbecue Barrio barbecue video He did that beautiful Vahala video It may not be a theme you want Is it a theme you want? I know But One of these days he's going to nail it Well maybe Cuphead will be good Do you think Cuphead will sell? I never even heard of it There's your answer Why do you think these pinball companies It's not just AP The themes should not be amiss right like it's so obvious who buys these things right 40 to 60 year old men i think we may be aging a little older now that's who has this kind of disposable income the goonies will sell like hotcakes it'll be sold out day one big trouble will sell hotcakes uh there was one you mentioned i didn't think would though akira yeah akira yeah you just mentioned what i said about akira is that if if you would sell 500 akiras you're not going to sell 2 000 probably But 500 you would sell easily. But it's difficult. But one of the greatest, another one of the greatest games ever made, it's in my top six list, is Total Nuclear Annihilation. And I hate to tell Scott Denise, he threw everything into that game and he made literally a perfect pinball machine. And you can't top something that's that great. People continually play it. And I have a lot of friends I turned on to that game. They said that's one game that will never leave their collection. Did you play his... Because he kind of made the sequel for Multimorphia. I haven't played that. Okay. And Rick and Morty is... Do you like that? Rick and Morty is fun. But I never saw the show. Yeah. So I need to be a... It doesn't connect with you. If it was a TV show that I concentrated or I was a fan of, I'd probably enjoy it. Dukes of Hazzard. Would they ever make it? No. A-Team. No. Transformers G1, the original cartoon.
    64:21
    No, because the other Transformers was a disaster. What about He-Man? I don't think anybody bought that. Okay. So what would be... Masters of the Universe. Yeah, well, that's He-Man. Oh, okay. When you said...
    64:36
    All right, so what's one nostalgic theme? We know Back to the Future is coming out, but what's something from the 80s that you're like, this would just be it? Top Gun we haven't had Karate Kid we haven't had a lot of Arnold movies Total Recall is that even in? Total Recall has become very collectible people the original one not the remake the original Arnold one that I think people would like yeah that movie is amazing Die Hard oh definitely die hard what about like comedies you know we don't see stuff like a christmas vacation you know i think that would sell but it's it's it's holiday theme that's the issue really yeah i mean but what if you made a it would be neat if they made a christmas vacation having elements of both movies yeah that's the third one i was thinking that like if you did a vacation game and you could switch out the next you could be or you flip the flipper and the graphics would change to the movie you want. You know who that would work with? You know who that, like that would be a good concept for multi-morphic because they could, with that screen, make it feel like you're switching from like Christmas to European vacation and to Wally World.
    66:05
    That's it. The Toyota GR86, look, the price of three pinball machines. And you get all of this. All of it. Even grandpa's. Yeah. Are they six pistons or four pistons? I don't know, uh, four. A guy like you knows all the systems. I think four. But yeah, no, this car's great. Not a lot of power, but wait, wait, 2,800 pounds? It's always power to weight ratio. Yeah, it's great, it's fun. I suspect if I sat in it, the car would go right to the ground. They'll probably make conversions for them for LS3s. Yeah, they put it in there. It's really a Subaru, though. That's the problem. make a ground-up car soon to do a solid cut but this you know when you look at all the door you never know it says made by super how fast do you really need to go i mean i guess i got the game
    66:56
    i've driven many the need for speed no ah my twin boys you're in luck you are in luck the tnt twins have arrived. Well, we were here. We just went to get the Chernobyls. Oh, yeah, he went out to get them. I didn't see them yet. Get in here. Come over here. Come.
    67:19
    Ghostbusters. You think Stern's going to remake Ghostbusters? What do you think? All the classics. I mean, if they remake Metallica, this is absolutely... Who are you going to call? They're remaking Ghostbusters. Absolutely. They're going to remake Tron, Ghostbusters, Lord of the Rings. It's like print money. If they remake... Yes. If they remake Ghostbusters, Tron, Lord of the Rings, they would sell out. For sure. How about Pirates? Pirates.
    67:45
    No. I think they've made on that one. No. I made on that one. We're going to stop there. We're like, yeah. We're like, how are you? We're with you. No, we're going to stop at Pirates. We're not doing Pirates. Jersey Jacks should make Pirates again.
    67:58
    I would like to see Theater of Magic. That would be my... Theater of Magic again? Yes. That's on my top six list. You know Twilight Zone is coming back. I hope they make it Adam's Family, but make it after the TV show.
    68:13
    So that way I stop hearing about the old Adam's Family because I'm tired of hearing about it. It's not that great. It's okay. It would be nice to get the original cast to Adam's Family. I think Wednesday, the Netflix show might. That's the kind of thing Stern would make and not realize why it wouldn't sell. I mean, you know, it's the new thing, but it's not. I want to see a Pokemon or something. Something original. Look at these cannolis. My Timmy. Timmy, can you come over? And we have fanboy Johnny. You can have the cigarette in it. Come over here. These boys.
    68:46
    He's got to get a bigger phone where the wire lens. We can't see you. There you go. Let me move over here. I have all these. These are all for Todd. Todd's eating them all. You notice it says Todd, Todd, Todd. Yes. The buffet truck will be here later for Todd. We call it a buffet. Yes, yes.
    69:06
    isn't that nice see if you were here you would see you up i i keep looking in the wrong time if you were here in person you'd have all this fun you'd need all of us and you know what they would be able to if you actually came i would actually sign you one of my great cards
    69:28
    so i've been doing a lot of this is a hall of fame card how come you don't have a uh hall of fame card right yeah how come you don't have a superstars card i don't know maybe it'll be worse that's the original one are we talking about the dream the what's that are you talking about dream themes are we talking about oh by the way look if you put your phone over that that uh
    69:51
    that uh code the qr code you can see everything we have all right plus you'll be able to go to the bargain basement the boys don't know this we made a bargain basement for for mike it's It's just Mike's bargain basement. You'll call him to get the deals. And that'll be up next week. Okay. So I've got over a thousand podcasts, over ten years of doing the show. Three million downloads. Three million listens. No recognition by the Hall of Fame. What does one have to do? Well, all you have to do is contact Walter Day. Yeah, I know. You just pay for it, right? No. You have to pay for the cards. Yeah. But the cards are like 50 bucks. Does he do screening? Like, would he just have to show them, like, what you've done? No, they'll know what you've done. You don't have to do anything. Let's go inside. Do you guys want to go inside? It's getting cold. My feet are cold. There's no insulation in these Gucci sneakers. All right, let's go in, get some cannolis, see some games. Oh, okay, okay. That's fanboy John. He came here the furthest. Where is he? He drove eight hours. That's crazy. Akron, Ohio. Akron, Ohio? Akron, Ohio. Wow. Oh, Akron, Ohio. He loves Mike so much, and he wanted to be part of the show. We all love Mike. We do. How do I get to that secret stash of games? I'll tell you what. I will ask. Yeah, ask if I can go. Because I would love to just show people what's in the inventory.
    71:22
    All right. All right, I'll wait for your response. All right I stay in this room here Oh yeah you get the warm Yeah okay go let me know You can show me where it at I would love to get access to this secret Ark of the Covenant sort of I told you, it's like a military base.
    71:48
    It is really cold out. my jacket is warm, but my feet are freezing. Isn't Todd the best? It's just fun talking to him. I love having him on as a guest.
    72:08
    Guess what? We got approval? He said, not only did Chris get approval, Mike says take him anywhere he wants to go. You can take me anywhere? Yeah, let's go. Let's go. All right, I'm going to turn the camera around so they can see what we see.
    72:26
    All right, so I'm with... Go upstairs. I'll follow us. Mike said it's okay to film all the new games.
    72:35
    We'd have to make Chris keep his mouth and jaw down. All right, let's do this. Get your wallets in. I got mine. You'll be able to call Mike. Okay. 800-727-8363. Okay. And he did remind me that don't bother him on the Metallica LEs. Yeah, no, he sold out of Metallica LEs. Oh, wait a minute. There's Mr. Mike.
    73:01
    Mike, say hi. I'm not offended. Great. We're going to go sell some product. Let's do it. But no Metallica LEs, guys. No Metallica LEs. And thanks for the 10 stars. You guys really have been dropping the ball on the stars. That's why I don't do Facebook anymore. There's no money in it. All right, here we go.
    73:26
    Behind the curtain. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. I'm going to turn it up to an hour. All right. Now, if you can see, he's got artwork, brand new artwork everywhere.
    73:43
    You will also see an Excel video. We came up here, too. We are in... Wow, these are... These are cool. These are... Yeah, these are... I think... From Japan, I think.
    74:08
    Virtual tennis... Wow. Look at all these boxes. There's games in these boxes. Deadpool Premium. rush pro here's a barrels of fun big box for barrels these are all games okay so We got labyrinths here. We've got X-Men Pro.
    74:51
    So these are how far back they go. There's another doorway we can go up to. Scott Parisi said he wants to look at the game back at 7 in.
    75:04
    How do you get to them? Is that a Jersey Jack? Is that a topper? That's a topper. No, the Elton toppers, aren't they built in? Yeah, I think it was. Godfathers are built in. That may have been a different one. Actually, I don't know. Chicago Gaming. Well, actually, the label on the side does look like it could be a Jersey Jack. Yeah, it's hard.
    75:27
    See, he's got wrapped-up games. There's so much stuff. Right. It's mind-boggling. Now, you'll be able to see better here. There's an aisle that'll even take me.
    75:40
    Oktoberfest. Anyone want one? Featuring Todd Tucker. He's got two Oktoberfests. don't see very much anymore here's the last james bond le of the the original james yeah yeah yeah 60th anniversary oh he's got a rolling stone the old strong one
    75:59
    some fairly rare now in the box turtles premiums as well he does have these he he can sell you turtles turtle premium didn't they just they did a final run of that recently right Venom Pro, Foo Fighter Pro. I'm just looking at boxes and boxes. Don't stack. I can fit. Barrels. I'm scraping on both sides. I mean, there's a, he's got a bunch of labyrinths here. We just sold another one. Todd just got through. Look at that. This isn't the. I got through. All right. I can get, well, if you got through, I can get through. Yeah, but I had to turn sideways. You could. These are, there's a lot. How does he even know what's where, I guess?
    76:42
    There's a message to the man. Star Wars premium. The box is on top, sideways, they're empty. Right. He doesn't store games out. Oh, he's not CGC, he doesn't store them sideways and stacked? You notice that all of his games are on pallets. Right. So he keeps them strapped to the pallet. So they're all strapped to the pallet. To preserve the newness of them. Yeah, that's great. and uh so the uh which is good here's one that's not selling anytime soon john wick
    77:12
    john wick ellie john wick ellies are now going 10k you'll get it on the table so here's one that's star wars comic is hard to find that's the home does it say the pin oh it does say the pin okay that's the home that's the home one that's the one nobody wants we have a special deal in our bargain basement okay so you'll be sorry guys i thought it was dead ends chris okay let me step back so you can walk back i should just climb over the top but on the top of the games they have what they are yeah oh i see but now we have another access portal we can go to too okay look here is sign dale jr now how many people on earth would have a new dale jr see the sign up top yeah oh yeah yeah dale jr so he's got stuff that's 20 years old well there's an ovira premium that's the old run yeah all right still strapped to the pallet baby all right let's keep going what else is there all right well we go to another location all right let's go get a location
    78:24
    Stranger Things Pro, if you want to show just for fun to tease everyone, but there's a Metallica remastered LE right next to it getting ready to go. That's going out. Don't call him. He sold all of them. He could use another 15.
    78:46
    Metallica LE. Right inside that box, ladies and gentlemen, is an $18,000 pin now. That's what they're going for. But of course, if Mike, you know, if you were a regular buyer from Mike, you would make it first crack on home. Yeah. I didn't get any Metallica LEs either. He just had, yeah, he had 40 people that wanted it and 15 coming. Yeah.
    79:10
    Now, there's another section over here. Oh, wow. Let me find, let me see. I hope he has an alarm system. Yeah. Oh, good idea. He's got a ton of them. It's a light here. We're looking for light switches. Okay, let me... We have the phone, but no, wait a minute. Oh, this is the special door. Okay.
    79:38
    That's his old phone system. I had to keep my old phone system, Chris, because it was the only way I could take it. They didn't fix it. Oh, a whole other section of brand new phones. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to see if I can find the light. That's fine. You keep talking. I'll find it. We hit it yesterday. There's Metallica Premium Remastered. There are about 50 of them back there. And here's another one that's not going to... Oh, damn it. Another John Wick L.E. You don't like John Wick. It's just the games keep going.
    80:17
    There's millions of dollars in inventory here. anniversary and it's buried so I mean you have to dig some of this stuff out now this is what black and white is that without the 70th this is an Elton John okay and see the topper is already in there okay Elton John see here's some uh uncannying ellies they're premiums ellies any x-men i wonder if he has x-men already plenty of pulp fictions see he's stacked with pulp fictions wow there's a lot of pulp fictions they call them the stainless steel this is the first the cheapest one but he's got he's got 8 000 they are not discounted he's got 10 of them maybe more maybe more they go back there too lot he's got tons by the way vending if you need a soda machine mike's got it baby this is cool see i would love to put a throwback i'll go this way okay we're gonna come back this is beth uh scott very generously snapped on the lighting you'll find one of your personal favorites in the style a lot of metallica premium so these are probably all going out because i'm assuming I mean, this... We're getting some in next week. So he's going to send them. Guns and Roses, L.E.
    81:51
    Another John Wick L.E. I don't understand why he doesn't just have all the John Wick L.E.s together.
    82:01
    Like, you know, stuff's just kind of... This may be the Cactus Canyon area. Yeah, that's the SE Plus. There's some L.E. in the back. Okay.
    82:11
    More Cactus... That must be a golden tea. And this is probably a golden tea cocktail. I mean, everywhere, as far as the eye can see, there's games. Yeah.
    82:25
    Games are go-go. But this is why map pricing doesn't work. You know, like, he can't... The problem is, as the market goes below the price that he needs to list these at... Your Toy Story, Avatar... Nobody's buying. I have Avatar Collectors, but Jack told us they're not coming out until the end of December.
    82:52
    Because I have some ordered already. It's the end of December in two weeks. It'll be out in January. Oh, the same time Cuphead is. Yeah, it's going to... Yeah. I think most people are going to bail on Pulp Fiction sales. I told you it's never shipping it'll ship in we think the Pulp Fiction I have 10 still sold nobody cancelled for me I have 10 and Scott's one of them I mean I'm I've walked on my I sold my deposit for a thousand dollar profit it's coming out and let me tell you something about Pulp Fiction no one once they get an SE they'll never sell it that game is very popular so all these vending machines like Mike used to be in the vending business. Yeah, I can tell. He sold the vending business. What does a vending machine cost? I don't know. But he will sell you a really great deal. See, they have them prepped and ready. Yeah. So once they have the equipment sticker on them, it means it's ready to sell. I just think the world loves... You get a cheap one. Yeah, I would just love this old Pepsi machine. To me, this is... You'll sell one cheap. This is just so cool to throw in a garage. I'll tell you what Mike has that's in the bargain basement. Two CD jukeboxes. Really? Row and NSM, 500 bucks each. See, I would... I just kind of love the classic Pepsi, the old... Now, look at Mike's... This is important. Look at Kaneda's minute mark. So if you see something here that we didn't cover... Did you walk around the vending?
    84:33
    No. No, so this is important. If you want to buy a snack machine or something, just saying canada's video at the 18.2 minute mark yeah at the cool months 620 stars you cheapskates mark oh how come you're not giving him stars i know i know don't need stars i need money i need gucci people he has his little ones daycare is 6 000 a month and he has to take isn't that crazy 6 000 a month for daycare i'm so glad you have a beautiful wife yeah it's worth it though. Wow, look at this. Number one is your family. However, this place is huge. Oh, God. He keeps going. Now, this is important, Kennedy. You're not going to believe this. I keep saying this. This is important. I never seen the other warehouse. They say the other warehouse is bigger than this. And he's got games in it, just stacked. Like, what's Mike's end game. Does he want to... Does he have a family who's going to inherit the business? Is he just going to sell it? He's got a wonderful daughter, Kayla, and he's got a marvelous wife, Sue.
    85:52
    I'll tell you right now. I originally was thinking of retiring, and now that my wife's gone, baby, I'm not retiring. And Mike and I both agreed. I said, And now we're just going to keep at it. All right. Todd, staying in it. Well, maybe you can help him sell one of these 1800 games. Sit at home. I don't want to sit at home. Look, you know, I'm going to tell you something that I live my life by.
    86:20
    The Japanese do not have a word for retirement. Because they don't believe people should ever retire doing something they love. Yeah. And that's how they approach life. and that in America we have this like you slave away your 9 to 5 you hate it to get to like retirement by 65 to just end up down in Florida and like and then you kind of give up so just keep going if you're doing something you like yeah absolutely well that's the whole point is you wouldn't you get a job you love and they take pride in whatever yes you're moving through here great this place is huge Does he have more arcade machines anywhere?
    87:19
    Let me just show you guys real quick all the vending. See, I love this. these big machines he can ship these this pepsi's so cool i i ship that machine to you vintage pepsi to me that's one of the pepsi free side as well which is really oh yeah yeah oh they don't make that do they no yeah pepsi free pepsi free that's probably listen fairly rare you know what's really neat is a real soda machine in your house yeah no i love it i love it and like these this is not too big like this would easily fit like in a garage or game room and he can ship this to you
    88:01
    i'll pick it up i'll throw it in the back of derek musket's car derek's my delivery guy yes cigarette machine that may be a candy machine oh it's lifesavers on the side the lifesavers are only five cents i remember when i was a kid all the lifesavers all the cigarette machines and it was easy to buy cigarettes when you weren't of legal smoking age uh should we go down here uh actually yes we'll go into a shop mike said anywhere anywhere he gave you carte blanche canada got carte blanche Oh wow Careful gentlemen
    89:05
    This is like a This is Like a Tight squeeze here. I'm involved in a chord. Is this OSHA compliant? I don't know. It's like we're, we came in here. Oh, is it? We're driving it. I wonder if he knows that game is plugged in.
    89:35
    We'll talk to him like later. Dance Dance Machines, all for sale. Another shack attached. we're not gonna get through here hold on well you will you're so little and you're so thick thank you Todd we got we're sneaking through you got a time have you told me you had air hockey's the air hockey's are gonna be tough but they can be shipped precision moving will do them okay you know I pioneered I was the first one in the country to do the flat rate arcade really 1987 it's got more pins down here yeah let's look godzilla premium do you miss your candy cabs your little ones uh your little cocktails he ever had them godzilla premium television sets x-men premium are they toppers yeah these are the toppers for uh barrels of fun labyrinth and here's a guns and roses oh he will sell the toppers guns and roses toppers he has a lot of time you have to call him yeah yeah you figure it out there's a little uh muppet muppet video see that little video game that was made in 1981 oh my god two of them i mean it just keeps going all the way back there That we can't squeeze through No, no, all these CRT monitors Look, he's got a whole row of them They'll never make more CRTs again There's got to be an easier way out of here Is there an exit? Are you aware The United States government Made it illegal To make monitors It's a bad room for a white coat In 2004 But the last time Trump was in office and he was leaving office, one of the last things he did was make a law that if you want to make a picture tube in America again, go right ahead. So you could technically make picture tube monitors brand new in America, but nobody's taking them up on that. This is maybe a new way out. Let's see if we can get out here.
    91:56
    Wow. Well, are you all depressed? No, I'm like, I'm just shocked that there's so much. What's that? Let's go in here. Let's stop.
    92:10
    This is heated, obviously. All right, so this feels. So these are games he may have sold. Let me give you guys a look at the workshop here.
    92:22
    So, and it does have nice heat. It's nice and toasty. Yeah, this feels like you could spend an afternoon in here. Wow. I believe that'll go into the food room. Okay. I'm pretty sure. If you go... I'm going to go click a lap here, and then we'll go back into the food room. I will say, when you see, like, hundreds of machines, it just feels like, you know, you could offer...
    92:57
    Neo Geo. All right. Keep going this way? Where do you want to go? Yeah. Gosh. Through here? No. Yeah. Now, this is the food room. Oh. And we're done. That was the wrong end.
    93:39
    All right. That was great. Wait a minute. We didn't do this. All right. Hold on. Let's do this. I don't think we did. No. Oh, okay. We went up to here. We're back to. Yeah. We're back to home.
    93:52
    All right. So that was great. Thank you, Todd. Yes. All right. I'm going to go play some games. I hope you little guys like that. I'll leave you alone. That was crazy. But remember, call Mike. Call him on the phone. 800-727-8363. And he will make you a deal. There you go. And let me tell you, there's a lot of games to deal. That is not for the...
    94:22
    Let's just say there's an abundance of supply. it does when you see so much supply or like your demand just goes up. And then like the only game that you couldn't keep in stock is the one game,
    94:39
    you know, is just looking at my, my white coat, my one game can't get, which is Metallica. You know, Ellie is the hardest one to get and that's when everybody wants.
    94:52
    All right, everybody, here's the deal. That was an amazing time, But I want to go play some games, then I got to leave in like a half hour. So this has been a nice 90-minute show. I hope you guys have a good time. If you're not a member of the Canadian Spinball Podcast, I hope you subscribe. We're having a lot of fun. It's always a good time. I'm going to go play some Avatar, see the code, play some John Wick, play some Labyrinth. Those are the three I want to play right now. Everybody, be good. Love you. Happy Saturday. We'll talk to you soon.