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Pinball Oz Wide - Episode 14 : New Year, Same Podcast

Pinball Oz Wide·podcast_episode·1h 22m·analyzed·Jan 30, 2026
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TL;DR

Oz Wide predicts 2026 price hikes, Mario pin, flooded market with 16 machines in 2 days.

Summary

Australian pinball podcast Pinball Oz Wide (episode 14) covers 2026 predictions, market analysis, and community updates. Hosts Jarrod and Matt predict another AU$250-350 price increase for new machines (likely at Winchester Mystery House in July), speculate on Mario and Michael Jackson pinball announcements, and discuss a flooded secondary market with 16+ machines listed in two days. They note pricing has stagnated but may need to drop further due to oversupply.

Key Claims

  • The Australian pinball secondary market has become heavily flooded with machines; 16 machines listed in just two days

    high confidence · Jarrod and Matt reviewing Facebook marketplace listings; Jarrod states 'in two days total, you've got 16 machines' and 'the market is absolutely flooded with machines'

  • Stern will likely increase AU prices by AU$250-350 sometime in 2026, possibly at Winchester Mystery House (July)

    medium confidence · Matt's 2026 prediction: 'I believe there'll be another $250, $350 add-on top sometime this year. Okay. Probably in Winchester Mystery House, July, I'd be guessing.'

  • Pokemon pinball has not yet been announced despite rumors; Sonic is rumored (from Sega); Mario is predicted to follow as a Nintendo-era trend

    medium confidence · Matt: 'with all the talk about Pokemon coming out, which wasn't announced still...we've supposedly Sonic in the rumour, being Sega. I'm seeing a little bit of a trend here. So I can only imagine Mario will be a machine'

  • The pinball market pricing has stagnated over the last couple of months and needs to drop further due to oversupply

    high confidence · Jarrod: 'I feel like the market has settled...I feel like there's room for them to drop now because people need to sell these machines...and the only way they're going to do that is by dropping prices'

  • Podcast has grown to over 2,000 combined listeners across all streaming services and is in the top 25% of pinball podcasts globally

    medium confidence · Jarrod: 'we're pretty good. It was funny actually...someone found the other pinball podcasts and put us in with those. And I think we ended up being just shy of the top 25% of podcasts in the world. With Pinball.'

  • 2026 will be one of the biggest years for pinball in Australia due to increased expos and community engagement

    medium confidence · Jarrod: 'I just feel like this could be one of the biggest years for pinball in Australia we've got extra expos going this year...I just feel like more people are going Tee'd Off come into the hobby'

  • Harry Potter pinball features six movie-based modes/inserts selectable from the playfield

Notable Quotes

  • “I just feel like this could be one of the biggest years for pinball in Australia we've got extra expos going this year...I just feel like more people are going Tee'd Off come into the hobby”

    Jarrod @ ~37:00 — Optimistic prediction about Australian pinball market growth driven by expos and exposure

  • “in two days total, you've got 16 machines...Yep. 16. 16. And the list just keeps going on.”

    Jarrod @ ~52:00 — Stark illustration of market oversupply; quantifies the flood of secondary market listings

  • “I feel like there's room for them to drop now because people need to sell these machines, obviously, and the only way they're going to do that is by dropping prices.”

    Jarrod @ ~58:00 — Market analysis: oversupply creates pressure for price reductions

  • “my prediction is that there will be another price increase for the new in-box machines. Across the board, regardless of whose they are...I believe there'll be another $250, $350 add-on top sometime this year”

    Matt @ ~20:00 — 2026 prediction for new machine pricing; specific AU$ amount and probable timing

  • “with all the talk about Pokemon coming out, which wasn't announced still, which is quite surprising, with the Nintendo era, and we've supposedly Sonic in the rumour, being Sega. I'm seeing a little bit of a trend here. So I can only imagine Mario will be a machine”

    Matt @ ~25:00 — Speculates on future Nintendo IP pinballs based on IP trend pattern; Mario prediction

  • “It'd be amazing...Huge, mate. Huge, you know. The amount of number one hits he had...The King of Pop.”

    Jarrod (discussing Michael Jackson prediction) @ ~32:00 — Enthusiasm for potential Michael Jackson pin; acknowledges divisiveness of IP

  • “I was just going Tee'd Off open up Facebook quickly and have a look at...the market is flooded. We're pinball flooded.”

    Jarrod @ ~40:00 — Market saturation observation; sets up price watch segment

Entities

JarrodpersonMatt (Barnyard Matt)personNadinepersonGeorgepersonRowanpersonNathanpersonJordanpersonMulder ScullypersonBabicpersonPinball Oz Widepodcast

Signals

  • $

    market_signal: Secondary market flooded with 16+ machines in two days; pricing has stagnated over recent weeks; hosts predict prices must drop to move inventory

    high · Jarrod: '16 machines...in two days total...the market is absolutely flooded' and 'there's room for them to drop now because people need to sell these machines'

  • $

    market_signal: Prices for sought-after machines (Avatar Limited, Medieval Madness, various LE editions) have dropped significantly; AU$15.5k for Avatar LE is described as 'bloody cheap'

    high · Matt: 'James Cameron Avatar (Limited Edition) 15.5...That's bloody cheap...I don't think we've ever seen that, have we? Not for a remake'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Prediction of AU$250-350 price increase for new Stern machines in 2026, likely at Winchester Mystery House in July

    medium · Matt: 'I believe there'll be another $250, $350 add-on top sometime this year...Probably in Winchester Mystery House, July, I'd be guessing'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Hosts speculate on upcoming IP announcements: Mario predicted after Pokemon and Sonic rumors; Michael Jackson pinball also speculated; Masters of the Universe movie tie-in expected mid-year

    low · Matt: 'with all the talk about Pokemon coming out, which wasn't announced still...So I can only imagine Mario will be a machine' and Jarrod on Michael Jackson; Masters of the Universe trailer recently dropped

  • ?

    community_signal: Australian pinball community expanding through expos, new listeners joining, increased venue visibility; hosts optimistic about 2026 growth trajectory

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome everyone to the Pinball Ozwide Podcast. This is episode 14 and in this episode you'll be hearing maybe some language but the usual thank yous. Month in review. We're going to hit on 2026 predictions. We've got our usual pinball price watch. Just the tip. We've got a couple of little rumour industry news covering the Kiss remastered. Possible Tank Girl with Jack Danger and the Australian Pinball Buyout. Flowing into discussion, which will be a bit of a chat on restored and project-based conditioned machines, trusted sellers on the page, who to buy from, what to look for, and NIB machines, whether or not they're drying up or just didn't come into the country on the second-hand market specifically. Emails and then the usual admin rant, and that'll about see us through. As always, I'm Jarrod, joined by Matt. Matty, welcome. G'day, Jared. Happy New Year, mate. Happy New Year to you, too. And it's been a month since I've seen you, literally to the day. Yeah, I know. It is actually, isn't it? Because you don't call me no more. I know. There's no love. No. Well, I try to talk to you, you just don't answer. Anyway, moving on, moving on. Language warning?
1:16
Yes, there is language warning for all young listeners. There is. Please be warned, there might be a few F words and C buttons, but... Well, I had some feedback from a lovely, lovely person, Jordan. Shout out to you. Hope you're listening.
1:31
I'm still waiting on my hug, which was promised to me last time I dropped Hazel around. So she works with Nadine at Peninsula Workwear and Safety down there in Mornington. She listens to the podcast. Told me I swear too much. We swear too much, don't we? I swear. Well, I think just in general, she was like, I really like listening, but there was too much swearing. So Jordan, apologies. I'll be good. I'll watch my P's and Q's.
1:56

medium confidence · Jarrod discussing his visit with George: 'you choose between one Tee'd Off six movies, getting those up...there were six movie inserts that you can choose from Prisoner of Azkaban through'

  • Secondary market prices for machines like James Cameron Avatar (Limited Edition) have dropped to AU$15.5k, and Medieval Madness remake to around AU$15.5k—both unusually low

    high confidence · Matt: 'Medieval Madness remake, the James Cameron Avatar (Limited Edition) 15.5. Yep. That's bloody cheap...I don't think we've ever seen that, have we? Not for a remake.'

    • “I look at that and then I look at what I'm trying to sell with my Game of Thrones Premium Edition in amongst all of that they're just getting lost”

    Jarrod @ ~57:00 — Personal perspective on oversupply impact; difficulty selling in flooded market

    Melbourne Pinball Expo
    event
    Australian Pinball Championship (ACS Champs)event
    Pinfestevent
    Tazpinevent
    Game of Thrones (Premium Edition)game
    Metallicagame
    Harry Pottergame
    James Cameron Avatar (Limited Edition)game
    Medieval Madness (remake)game
    Kissgame
    Winchester Mystery Houseevent
    The Hobbit (Standard Edition)game
    F-14 Tomcatgame
    Ripley's Believe It or Notgame
    Gottlieb machinegame

    medium · Jarrod: 'I just feel like this could be one of the biggest years for pinball in Australia' and 'We picked up a few extra followers, which was awesome'

  • ?

    content_signal: Pinball Oz Wide has exceeded 2,000 combined listeners across streaming platforms and ranks in top 25% of pinball podcasts globally

    medium · Jarrod: 'we're pretty good...We'd be over 2,000, aren't we?...someone found the other pinball podcasts...we ended up being just shy of the top 25%'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Hosts identify trend of Nintendo console IP (Mario likely next), Sega IP (Sonic rumored), and classic film IP entering pinball portfolio; suggests IP licensing accelerating

    medium · Matt: 'I'm seeing a little bit of a trend here...with the Nintendo era, and we've supposedly Sonic...I can only imagine Mario will be a machine'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Multiple recent sales documented: Medieval Madness remake at AU$15.5k, Avatar LE at AU$15.5k, Iron Man Vault at AU$8.5k (well below typical AU$12-15k), Sharky Shootout at AU$4k, Ripley's at AU$6.95k

    high · Matt and Jarrod comprehensive price watch review; examples given with specific AU$ amounts and condition notes

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Shift toward concern about selling machines in oversupplied market; Jarrod notes difficulty selling his Game of Thrones Premium amid flood of listings

    medium · Jarrod: 'I look at that and then I look at what I'm trying to sell with my Game of Thrones Premium Edition...they're just getting lost'

  • ?

    event_signal: Multiple expos planned for 2026: Melbourne Pinball Expo, Australian Pinball Championship (ACS Champs), Pinfest, return to Tazpin; community expects growth from increased exposure

    medium · Jarrod: 'we've got extra expos going this year...we're going back Tee'd Off Tazpin...we're heading up Tee'd Off nil...we decided in a couple of months'

  • ?

    regulatory_signal: Evidence of market needing to adjust: bulk seller (Mulder Scully) listing ~10 machines at once; multiple similar machines competing (3 High-Speed Getaways, multiple Tri-Zones); suggests forced liquidation patterns

    medium · Jarrod: 'Mulder Scully looks like he's thrown a few machines out there to get rid of X amount...He probably listed 10, needs to sell five'

    • I'll watch my P's and Q's. So thank you everyone who's been listening and all our current listeners and hopefully some new listeners this month. We picked up a few extra followers, which was awesome. It was really good. So how many listeners are we at now then? We'd be over 2,000, aren't we? Yeah, I had a look actually. And Spotify does combine all of the programs I wanted to say, but all of the streaming services. and yeah, it's pretty good. It was funny actually, I put on Reddit, I'm part of the podcast group on Reddit just to get a bit of info and have a bit of a chat and I put the numbers up on Reddit and said, hey, I just want to get some feedback. What do we like? Are we any good?
    2:38
    These are our listeners per month and these are our followers and someone, and I'll have to work out myself how to do it, but someone found the other pinball podcasts and put us in with those. And I think we ended up being just shy of the top 25% of podcasts in the world. Okay. With Pinball. Yeah, correct. We're not up against Joe Rogan. We never know. He's going to start a bloody Pinball podcast next week, isn't he? He might do. But yeah, I was very surprised by that. I mean, some people came on and said they've been doing it for six years and they have less than five followers and lucky to get 20 listens. Well, I think we're just likeable people, mate, more than a point. I think you're the likeable person. Of course, yeah. They like listening to your voice, mate. Of course they do. Now I actually have a voice again this year. Yes, yeah. I was actually, I was talking yesterday, I was like, oh, my voice was feeling a little bit husky. I was like, oh, please don't shit itself. Please don't do it. Please not again. But nah, nah, still good, still strong, so. Good to hear. And what have you been up to this month, Matty? What's going on? Mate, school holidays, it's been busy, busy, busy. Yeah. Non-stop, as I just discussed with you before, It's just constantly out with the kids. So my youngest daughter actually just went back to school yesterday. So she's now in grade one, which yesterday was a nice break for me. Yeah, a year and a half for me, man. This year. She went today. It's ridiculous. It's crazy, isn't it? But yeah, just school holidays. Just a lot of stuff with kids. Yeah. So we played a lot of pinball at home. Obviously, we had the kids just go gravitate the machines, and they just turn them on and have a play. But apart from that, just, yeah, lots of work outside. We've, shall I go into what we've been doing at all? I don't know. Your month in real life. Yeah, plenty of beach days. So with some of this nice weather we had. A few indoor days with how hot it's been as well. Yeah, yeah. We hit 40 like most of the country did a couple of times. I think it was just the, what was it, two days ago? We hit 46. That's what my weather vane said. Yeah, so we're recording 29th of Jan on the Thursday. Yeah, so. A couple of days ago. It was absolutely crazy. There was a few days when the kids got scared with all the smoke from the bushfires. Yep. You know, and the sky was lit. All you could smell was smoke. Yeah. And the sun was that bright orange. Well, Nadine and I were walking the dog one night, and we were coming up Kinross, so just behind us. And, like, I looked up at the sky and I said to Nadine, I'm like, Jesus, love, like, have a look how red. And I said, you can almost actually see the smoke. Yep. and within two minutes, two fire trucks came screaming down the road, and there was a fire, just a local sort of isolated fire. It wasn't a large one, but they came screaming up, and I was like, oh, Jesus, like, oh, my God, that was literally as we were speaking, you know? Yeah, so my kids actually got scared of it, and they actually wanted to sleep in my room for the next two nights because they were just scared of the fire. Ah, get them out. Ah, they stayed. It was all right because they were literally scared of it. So it was just the smell.
    5:31
    So what did we do? We did some cherry picking, which was great. It was a lot of cherries. And then we did some strawberry picking, which was great that day too.
    5:41
    Went down to the water park a few times, just down in Frankston. So the kids love it there. It absolutely tires them out. Went to Gumbire World, which is a theme park about 40 minutes away from us.
    5:52
    Rollerblading at the roller skate ring. I took the kids to the skate park the first time they've ever been. So on the scooters, which I loved. And caught up with quite a few different kids' parents and friends. So the kids had lots of playdates, which was nice. So kept them sane during the school holidays. Sent me bonkers.
    6:13
    But look, it was nice. Kids are back. I can just go out. I can hop in the car. I don't have to load kids up. I don't have to go tell them, put their shoes on, get dressed, have a shower. I can just go out, do what I want to do. But look, it's been a great month, but I'm glad they're back at school now. Very nice. Matcove update for those that want to know? No, no. Obviously, probably not, being that it was holiday season. That's right. So they only just came back. So the company that's building the shed just came back, I think it was last week or the week before. So I had to do some adjustments to the site plan, but that's now been rectified. I'm actually waiting for an email today just to confirm everything because they wanted me to remove some trees, which I didn't believe need to be removed. Okay. Maybe just access possibly?
    6:55
    No, not at all. It was the two nice big ornamental trees in the backyard. Yeah, you know, I've got the yellow one, and then there's the other... What's it called? I can't think of what it's called, but you know what I'm talking about. So those two there, one of them, we're moving on. That makes no sense. Okay. Because I think it's actually because they did stuff the site plan up and actually had my shed facing east to west and not north to south. Right, okay. So whether or not they just haven't adjusted that, that could be the issue. But otherwise, look, everything should still be set to go this year. So I can't wait. It's still going to be a fair while off. Yep. But once they start building, that'll be quick. Yeah. Then it's up to me to pull my finger out, get the lighting sorted, get the carpet down, then get all the electricity in. Yep. And then finish off the plumbing, because I've got to run the water down to my dam. And then that's it. Yep. Then Jarrod's coming around to break his back. Look forward to it. What about yourself, buddy? What have you been up to this month, mate? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, obviously we've got... 3D printing? Well, yeah.
    7:59
    Yeah, still doing a bit of that. I don't do as much running around as you do because my kids are a different age, so they just organise themselves, so I just drop them off to their mates' places or whatever so I don't have water parks and that sort of shit.
    8:13
    And I dropped them off to their auntie's for the... What was it? Long weekend, Australia Day long weekend, which was nice, and then I had a bit of a break, which is always good. but yeah, did a little bit of 3D printing. So Rowan ended up needing a couple of prints for a couple of machines, which were easy enough to do. And I did a little cactus for you guys for the Cactus Canyon that just goes over those, what were they? Hex posts on the slings just to hide the metal hex posts. I printed my little 3D prints from a Game of Thrones finally. So they're on the slings. I took off the original slings and put them on just to see what they look like. So I ended up just buying Posca pens and doing it that way. Look, I mean, I'm a fucking hack. You know what, mate? You've got the machine set. How much is it? Oh, it's just $12, yeah. $12? You just put them on, mate. It's worth $13. It raises it, yeah. $13, mate. So, yeah, I mean, it was a bit of fun just to trial and do more than anything. As I said, you know, I just had a bit of a read on how to do it, so that was a bit of fun. I got a new tattoo, which I just can't help myself with, so I just got some script on my forearm, underside forearm.
    9:26
    I've been dying to get something, and for those that know, it reads, the world's an ugly place, but you're so beautiful, Nadine. Those that know the lyrics... Just don't get the horse, mate. Well, yeah, I know. Those that know the lyrics will know where that's from, but I've just changed the you're so beautiful to me, I've changed to me to Nadine. And once again, you didn't message or call me to say, Matt, can I get this tattoo? I didn't. That is disgusting. This is the third time now. I thought if... No, but you're surprising me on the podcast live. I'm blushing now. I tried Matt, but it just didn't look as good.
    10:01
    So, yeah, and apart from that, last week I went around to George from Melbourne Pinball Expo and just had a bit of a catch-up with him. We just played a bit of Harry Potter, which was... I think we were chatting before. It's an unbelievable game. He'd learnt a little bit more about the rules, so taught me a little bit more about that as well in regards to getting the actual movies up. So, you know, you choose between one to six movies, getting those up. Isn't it eight? No, there's six on the play field from memory.
    10:33
    Yeah, big Harry Potter fan here, guys. I'm pretty sure there's six. I mean, listen, write in and tell me if I'm wrong, guys. Didn't you clarify this one time before saying, sorry, guys, this was... I'm pretty sure there was six inserts there of the... Well, I mean, however movies there are is however they are, but there were six movie inserts that you can choose or six modes that you can choose from Prisoner of Azkaban through.
    11:00
    And yeah, just getting into those modes a little bit more, got some better multiples flowing. I completed enough to get to... You know, Into the Fire on Hobbit? There's a similar mode, I can't remember what it's called, on Harry Potter, where it was a mini wizard mode. Yeah, and George was pretty excited because he obviously got to see it for the first time, what it sort of went through and what it looked like. And it was, yeah, it was good fun. It was a great machine, as I said. So quite enjoyed it, quite enjoyed it. It's been a nice month. That's been about my month. I mean, my game of the month for me has been Metallica at home. So I got away from Gott, as I said, because I'm trying to sell it. I moved a little bit onto Simpsons, Pinball Party, then jumped across to Metallica and Metallica just kicked my ass for months and months, or not months, obviously, weeks and weeks. I finally started getting a bit of a rhythm going because I really want to knock Nathan off Grand Champ. I mean, he's got one bill and I've got nowhere near that at the moment. So that was my game of the month as well. Did you say your game of the month? You said you played a bit of Finney. No, nothing's been a game of the month, mate. Just been playing. Have you? Just all of it? Walking around, mate. Just playing, turn them on, turn them off, whatever. Yeah, nice, nice. Yeah, but it's actually been pretty cool because some of my daughter's friends' parents, they've always loved pinball machines and they've never seen a collection like mine. They're just like, oh my God, they just get blown away. And once again, it reignites a flame and we've actually got a couple of listeners, so they've actually joined on. So they've listened to the podcast a few times. Nice, welcome. So it's pretty cool. Yep, love it.
    12:38
    Well, what do you call it? It's networking. Not networking. What do you call it? Promotion.
    12:48
    I'm glad more people are coming on board. Like I said, we had three extra followers, hopefully more. I think the same thing goes. We get more listeners than followers, so if you are listening, just like, just follow it. It's not hard to do. If you're enjoying the content, then we'll keep doing it at the moment. I mean, we are, obviously, because we've got plenty of followers and we get good feedback on it.
    13:08
    But I think we just do it for shits and giggles. anyway, really. Let's be honest. It's fun, mate. It's the only time we get to catch up with you, mate. So far. Now, I said to you I wanted a 2026 prediction for the year. You did.
    13:24
    You have a prediction? Yeah, well, I say they're thinking and thinking about it, but for the Australian market, my prediction is that there will be another price increase for the new Inbox machines. Across the board, regardless of whose they are, you mean? Yeah, I believe so, yeah, yeah. So, I think it falls in line. Have Spooky kept their pricing? Have they kept it? I thought they went up with Beetlejuice a bit. Okay. But as for, like, Stern, I believe there'll be another $250, $350 add-on top sometime this year. Okay. Probably in June, July, I'd be guessing. So, $250 Australian? $250 Australian. Okay. $300. Is that what usually they go up by? It's usually around that, yeah. Okay. So, that's what I'll be predicting. Yeah. And as for a game, whether we'll see it this year or something will be announced later, with all the talk about Pokemon coming out, which wasn't announced still, which is quite surprising, with the Nintendo era, and we've got supposedly Sonics in the rumour, being Sega.
    14:27
    I'm seeing a little bit of a trend here. So I can only imagine Mario will be a machine which will be coming back, especially like they've just released another movie. I was going to say, so you're basing it off the movie? Well, I don't know. As opposed to the NES style? Or what are your thoughts? You'd hope the NES style, but then again, probably would be based on the movies, I'd say. So the new animations, I'd be guessing. Whether or not that would... Are they going to get animations if it's Stern? I don't know. I'm not sure. They might just have to do their own animations. But do you know what I mean? Like following down that line of the console games. Yes. Zelda would be... Yeah, that'd be fantastic.
    15:10
    It's hard. But I believe it'd be Mario before Zelda. Yep. Just because I think there's a bigger following of Mario than Zelda, just in general. Heads and toes, without a doubt. Even younger generation. Just the younger generation there love it. Oh, yeah, Mario Kart, mate. Yep. Everyone grows up with Mario Kart regardless of your age, whereas I don't think everyone grows up with Zelda. So what about your predictions? What did you have? Oh, I had a couple of corny ones.
    15:38
    The first one I wrote when Metallica was kicking my ass, so I very much said the Balls of Steel trophy is yours for the taking this year. So I feel like that could be under a bit of a cloud. I've gone back to back, so I do have to get the little trophy updated with my little initials on that for 2025. I also thought, which again to Bitcoinians probably a little bit obvious I just feel like this could be one of the biggest years for pinball in Australia we've got extra expos going this year as well obviously and maybe that's just my thinking because I'm getting more involved in that side of things with the Melbourne Pinball Expo we're going back to Tazpin we're ducking up to nil we've decided in a couple of months to go back up there You've got the Australian pinball. You know, ACS champs are on soon.
    16:36
    Pinfest. Yeah, pinfest. You know, I just feel like from an outside, which I still feel I am an outsider looking in, I just feel like more people are going to come into the hobby and be drawn into the hobby because of those. And I think it's just going to keep growing. You know, I don't think we're going to see a slowing down of the, which I know, like I said, sounds a bit corny, but I just don't think there's going to be a stagnation of people in the hobby. It's just going to keep growing. It's going to keep growing. And hopefully younger people as well. I actually sort of did a sort of prediction too. I was thinking about it just before I came around. I was like, I think it's going to grow just with all these new expos and just people, the exposure. It's all about the exposure. Correct. And as long as it's done the right way, I guess for those people, you know, doing the right thing for their either expos or their tournaments or whatever they're doing, If the promotion is the right way and positive, it will continue to grow. So I'm looking forward to that. I had two predictions for machines for this year. I actually, people will know listening to this, but I asked a few mates for help on this topic because I was so stuck, man. Did you ask me? No, I asked a couple of people. One of them didn't come back to me. Thanks, Rowan. But I asked Nadine for a prediction, and she reckons there's going to be a Michael Jackson pinball this year. I don't know how. But she just plucked it out of the sky. Yeah. It could be an interesting pinball, but I think it'd be a bit of a divisive pinball for those that think he's either a pedo or not. Yeah, that's right.
    18:09
    But it could be interesting. I mean, his catalogue and his back catalogue, if people were doing music pins, his back catalogue... Yeah, it'd be amazing. It'd be pretty... Huge, mate. It'd be cool. Huge, you know. The amount of number one hits you had. Mate. Just, it's incredible. King of pop. Yeah, that's right, exactly. So that could be good. I was actually, and this was a bit more of a serious thought, I actually, the Masters of the Universe movie, their trailer dropped like a day or two ago. Have you seen it? No, I haven't. I don't know if you're a big He-Man fan. I watched it as a kid growing up, and my prediction, so that's getting released mid-year. That'll be released this year. Well, there was talk about it anyway. That has been a little bit rumoured. Yep, it's coming out. So they were my 2026 predictions. I didn't realise that the Masters of the Universe had been floated out there. Yeah, probably about a year ago or so. I'm obviously behind the game, but I just thought... I saw it and I'm like, okay. You had an epiphany. An epiphany. Yes, you did. I did have an epiphany. And it just went poof. It did.
    19:14
    So then that sort of leads into our usual pinball price watch. I don't know if you want to I just I think we chatted initially I think we are flooded the market is flooded we are flooded I was just going to open up Facebook quickly and have a look at the... Have you noticed the new update of Facebook? It's so shit, mate, on the app. It's terrible. Well, I get a stupid different notification sound now, which shits me up the wall. It's just terrible. All I've noticed... Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, no, I was just going to say, I was just going to run through a different... Just a few prices and stuff about what I thought. But look, I still think the market has settled. It is still... In pricing? In pricing, yeah. Yeah, I'd agree. It just hasn't really changed since last month. I think it needs to come down, though, because there's too many pinball machines on the market. And not enough buyers. That's right, because a few, quite a lot are sitting there. Because there was a Medieval Madness remake, the LE 15.5. Yep. That's bloody cheap, you know. I don't think we've ever seen that, have we? Not for a remake. Yeah. LE. I don remember what the MAs were to be honest They always been fetching anywhere over 18 plus Okay Plus Yep Yeah so But you know there a Sharky what is it called Sharky Shootout Yep You know 4K Yep. That's, yeah, that's a pretty damn good price. Yeah, I think they were around 80-ish or so. But I think those sort of shit machines were around that pricing during COVID and after a little bit. That's right. But it's just, that's quite a good price. And obviously that's the asking price you could negotiate. Or still in D&D, as you said. They just still in D&D. So then you've got a Ripley's, believe it or not, $6,950. You know, they'll fetch in around $8, you know, up to $10. Yep. So, you know, at least those prices are coming down. There was an OXO, which is an electromechanical, something peels a machine, like $2,900. Yep. A couple hundred bucks off that, and I think you've got a good-priced machine. Yep. You know, we've got a lethal weapon at $4,800, which is, I haven't seen a lethal weapon under $5,000 for a long time. You know, and they're a sought-after machine. Everyone seems to want one. Yeah. I feel like it's the next Addams Family, actually. And then there was an Iron Man vault. So that sold instantly at eight and a half. So that's a very good price, because that was actually what the price... It's just under what the new box was. And I think they were fetching sort of 12 to 15-ish. Yeah, 100% mate. So that's a four grand drop on that. You know, so, and then... And what was it? There's been like three high-speed getaways that have come up. In the last video, one ranging from seven, and the highest one was about 10. Yep. You know, so they all varied. Yeah. So what I had, I had a Street Fighter 2 back to 55. Yeah. So that settled back at 5,500. But still, buddy, I sold my one during COVID for 5,250. Yeah. But I think they were advertised at around 7 to 8, and that was just way too much because I always used to have a giggle at those. We had a couple of Avengers LEs, 16.5 and 15.5, So they've come down as well. Ghostbusters Premium at 12. Okay, that's not too bad. That's very good. I mean, they were fetching 18s. I know. You know, because the LEs were up around 23, 25s at the time. And 30 at some time. Yeah, depending. Some of them, yeah, in the height.
    22:53
    I mean, there was an Indy at 12.5. Yeah. Was it restored? No, I don't think it was restored. I don't think people necessarily care too much about what they look because it's just such a sought-after machine that when they come up, people are like, oh, I've wanted this forever. Yep, I'll take it. Yep. You know, as you said, we had a Foo Fighters Premium. So that originally was $14,250. That's come down to $13,450 now. Kiss Ellie at $18,250. Yep, saw that. You know, and we'll discuss that about the remastered, but a couple of them have popped up recently, possibly because of that as well. What did we call it, Backlash of it? Backlash, yeah, yeah, which is funny. I mean, there was a strange science. Do you remember the strange science machines? Yes, yeah, I do. Remember the ones with that big topper? Now, this was no topper at 49, but they were fetching 8s, 8s, 9s, you know, especially with toppers. And I was like, that was ridiculous. So for them to come down under 5 is much better, much, much better.
    23:53
    WPT, still sitting there, I believe, at 58. That was that one in Adelaide that I would have liked to have had a look at. You know, you had a TMNT, so Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles LE at 14.5 as well. Now, you and I, we've said our thoughts about that machine, so I won't go there again. It gives you the shits, but you're still going to play it. It does give me the shits. And then there's a couple around the corner here that arrived, and I think have gone as soon as they arrived. There was a big guns for 2,750 locally to me here in Dramana. Now, he did state the left-hand flipper wasn't working. Oh, I did say that, yes. But big deal, like, you know, change it. Yeah, whatever. Have a look at the wiring. It's not a major one. He also had a tri-zone for $2,500. The only difference was the displays weren't working. But you can buy those pin scores for maybe $1,000 or $1,500, somewhere around there, maybe. Even less, I think. Okay.
    24:52
    I've done it before on my Xenon, but I can't remember. Yeah. Can't remember the price. So, you know, as you said, there's certainly been some machines. The only one I thought there was a high-speed, so not a high-speed 2, a high-speed at 6, and I was like, eh, not sure about that one, dude. Yeah, that's way too high. But I just wanted to go over with you, and as I said at the start of this segment, I feel like the market is absolutely flooded with machines. I was waiting for a different word there. I feel like that every time I scroll through the group, there's a new machine that has come up. So this is starting from 19 hours ago as new listings.
    25:33
    We've got a Thunder Turds. We've got an Elton John, which was 20 hours ago. We've got a Black Rose that was 20 hours ago. We've got an old Bally Bingo Beach Club that was one day ago. So this is all now a day ago. We've got a tri-zone at 3250, which I wonder if there you go. Is that the same one? So Joe's probably flipped that maybe.
    26:00
    So a tri-zone at 3250 and then back glass, some displays, an RFM at 7, high speed. That's too much for RFM. At 7.8, clear patrous. So now we're two days ago. So already how many machines? So that's, you know, one, two...
    26:20
    It's at least ten. So that's seven machines in two days. Seven machines in two days. I mean, to me, that's a shitload of machines. That is a lot. Then you've got a Cleopatra for $48. You've got a Fandango at $850. That was a project machine, admittedly. Then you've got that Joker Poker.
    26:42
    You've then got three machines. So a Godzilla Premium, an Indy 500 and a Williams Police Force. Then you've got another getaway high speed. Then you've got an Elvira House of Horrors.
    26:56
    The list just keeps going on. And are you going to GoldenEye 007? It just keeps... So within two days, you've got a further nine machines. So in total, in two days total, you've got 16 machines, Matthew. Yep. 16. And the list just keeps going, as I said. You know, I mean, obviously, Mulder Scully looks like he's thrown a few machines out there to get rid of X amount. He probably listed 10, needs to sell five, so he's just gone, these are the ones that need to go. You know, so that's probably flooded a little bit more as well. But, you know, Wheel of Fortune, okay, that's sold at seven. There's the Ripleys at seven. You know, Godzilla's seven here. Judge Dredd. you know high speed that I spoke about and Elvis the Iron Man you know like it's they just I was and there's some quality machines in there too mate there are and I look at that and then I look at what I'm trying to sell with my machine I'm like I don't have a hope in hell like how am I going to sell my Game of Thrones in amongst all of that they're just getting lost just keep bumping them out yeah I just don't want to be that kind of guy like that's not my style be that guy just for a day So it's just, I just feel like while the pricing we've discussed has stagnated a little bit over the last couple of days, I feel like there's room for them to drop now because people need to sell these machines, obviously, and the only way they're going to do that is by dropping prices. Yep, that's exactly right. So did you have a best buy this month, Mark? I had a best buy of that F14 Tomcat. Yep. That was up at Pinball House, which is Babic. He had it at $27.50. Look, it was pretty rough, I'll be honest. The body looked okay. There was no major splitting or anything like that. It might have been a bit scratched or damaged on the sides. Spend a couple of bucks and fix her up, mate. Yeah, but I mean, correct. Most people probably just slide it in and don't worry about it. The play field looked okay. I mean, I'll be honest, Babik, it was a bit hard to tell with the photos because they were pretty shit photos, mate. And I know for $27.50, you probably didn't want to go to too much trouble, but just take the glass off the machine to take a photo. I don't get that. But, yeah, it looked like there was a little bit of wear up around the orbits, but otherwise, I mean, it's a challenging, challenging game. Good shots, fun game. I've only ever played it once or twice. Yeah, I've played it a few and have enjoyed it. So, you know, for me, at $27.50, yeah, that was my best buy. I do have a best buy, which was a fun house for $6,800. Yep. So, there. Was that this month? It was just after the last podcast. Okay. So I think it was the day after, maybe. It came up New Year's or something. Yeah, so that was my best buy, I think it was. So for 6, 8, I haven't seen that price for even probably in 2018, they weren't at that price really, I don't think. They were still fetching 7 or 8. About time they came down. So, well, that's it, and that's below what the prices were back then. Yeah. So the market is definitely still dropping and changing. Yep, yep. As I said, I still think it needs to drop more. I feel like there's still more to go. There's still more to go. It needs to, you know, as I said, it's a clutter. You know, 17, 18 machines in two, three days is a lot. And that's not just a, I mean, obviously, it's a snapshot in this podcast, but for those that want to go through the page and have a look at it, then, yeah, it's just constant like that. You know, I'm amazed, absolutely amazed. What the fuck as well is the next one. What was your what the fuck, Jared? My what the fuck. I had a few honourable mentions.
    30:47
    You and I discussed there was a Johnny Mnemonic that came up at $11,500. That's dropped to $9,000. He's probably still about $4,000 away. No, at least. In that condition, considering you, during COVID, you couldn't even sell yours for... Yeah, I was trying $7,000. No, what was I trying? $9,750. and mine was re-decaled and literally brand new ramps and not a mark on it. So, yeah. I don't remember what I sold that for. I think I sold that for $7.5. $7.5, I think. $7.2, somewhere around there. Something like that, wasn't it? Yeah, definitely. So that certainly gets a mention. The Joker poker, I think I will mention. I'm a bit loathe to because it's got a nice place in my heart. I've always wanted one. I know it's fully restored, but at $12.9, that's definitely up there. and probably deserves a what the fuck.
    31:38
    You gave me a fishtails at 15.2 worth a mention as well for the what the fuck. However, my what the fuck that takes the cake is a Guns N' Roses Dada East at $18,000. Yep. And there is a where near that scoop where the U, is it the U or the N where the ball launches out of the scoop and always hits that spot. There's where there. near that scoop pop out. But at $18,000 for Guns N' Roses data, you're holding that for your life. You are holding that for life. So I'd just like to say, what the fuck? You might as well go on a tour with them, a once-in-a-lifetime tour. You're never going to sell it. No. Not at all. So, yeah, that was mine for the month. Yeah, nice.
    32:27
    Just the tips. Just the tip, Matty. You got a couple of tips for our listeners and give them an idea? I've just got one tip. Yeah. Don't be that mate who stands there and just talks at you about shit and rubbish and waves their hands around and gets in your visualization in front of you, giving you shits and distracting you.
    32:48
    Are you talking about during playing pinball? Yeah, sorry, during playing pinball. Or are you talking about while you're taking a piss? Yeah, exactly. That's right. Driving the car? No, when you're playing pinball, yeah. So just don't be the mate who stands in the corner of your eye and just talks at you. Who did that to you recently? Oh, we know. It happens. Why who? It just happens. Something's happened for you to be true. And you were there too, so it's all right. Was I there? You were there too. But I'm happy if you want to stand next to me and guide me through the machine just to try and help. Yep. But just don't sit there telling me some bullshit story that means... I don't really give a shit. About your Sunday church life. Yeah, so... That's my tip, yeah. Just don't be that mate. Don't be that person. I had a couple of normal tips. Mine was when you take the glass off your machine, I always put it on my foot first. I do that too. I'm always scared, and I've seen it happen, that those that specifically have toiled floors, for example, I've seen it too many times, they put the glass straight on the toiled floor and it shatters because you're having a hot to a cold, in my opinion, a hot to cold transfer or the other way around. It's because it's a weak point. And it just goes, and it just shatters to a million places. So I just slide it off, put it on my foot, and then just slowly and gently put it on the ground. Yep. So just, if you want to follow that tip, do so. The other one, which a little bit of a laugh because I saw this online, is don't use Novus to clean pinballs. Someone posted that they clean their pinballs with Novus and I was like, what are you doing? Like you are going to literally send, and it was Novus too, so this granulated product throughout your whole machine, you know, at high speeds, it's not a good idea. There's nothing worse than when someone's gone and polished their machine and leave all the wax around all the star posts. Yeah. Oh, God. Clean those up. No, it gives me the shits. Clean those up. I just go buy new star posts and put them on. I don't even bother, mate, because that crap, you know, it just doesn't come off, mate. It's polished. It's just stuck. It's pretty hard, isn't it? I don't think you need to polish machines these days. No, I don't. They do with wax and all the rest. No. The last machine I used to polish was my Simpsons Pinball Party. I used to give that a polish. I tell you what, Jesus Christ, did that fly around after that. But I think a lot of the newer playfields, you don't have to worry because of the clear code. It doesn't hurt. So, yeah, so we're just going to have a bit of a chat about what's been going on in the industry next. And just, I mean, it's probably pretty quick because I don't think much that we've seen really. No, not really. There was a possible rumoured KISS remaster as the next machine. I wonder if they'll get actually their stage concert assets,
    35:31
    or, you know, videos on the screen. Where was their last concert? I've got no idea, mate. I mean, is that going to happen now with Ace dead? Is that going to make it harder through his estate to get his likeness or his availability to use? I don't know, because they've obviously got a previous machine, which he was willing to do, and the machine back from the, what year was it? 70-something, 78, something like that. So, you know, so they've always been happy to supply, you know, so maybe it still is a part of it. Sometimes the estate can change, though. Yeah, of course. You know, mums or dads or, you know, brothers or sisters or whatever. Sure, mum and dad don't have any influence on that. No, they probably don't. They're always 70-something years old or whatever, however old he was. I'm just getting sick of these remasters. Yes, so am I. You know, I think the same thing goes, you know, to sort of meld the two together. American Pinball have teamed up with PPS and announce that they're doing Bally Williams. Like, I just don't get why we need to look backwards into all this sort of stuff. Is there really that much demand for a Kiss machine? I don't know, honestly. I personally don't know. I mean, I know the original one was good. It played well. You know, I played it a bit, and I didn't mind it, to be honest. Obviously, I think the gene mouth was of an issue for people along the way.
    36:51
    But, yeah, I'm just like, I'm not 100% sure that we need another remastered machine. That's all it just seems. But they appear to want to be doing it once a year. Yeah, I know. At the end of every year, it seems so. And so far, if it's the same, you know, it looks like it's the music pins. So is ACDC next after that as well then? Like, do we need more ACDCs? Although they always sell well, don't they? They do, don't they? They've always sold well. So, yeah, I'm not sure about that. But yeah, American Pinball as well have teamed up with PPS. I don't know if I'm going to read the whole announcement or anything like that. I actually haven't read much about it at all. I know they're joining up and going to start building, what is it, reimagined games, was it? Yeah. Reimagined games. Yeah, reimagined games. So basically, American Pinball and PPS announce a long-term strategic partnership under which American Pinball will manufacture, sell and distribute reimagined classic Williams and Bally pinball machines under license. Now, what would you classify as classic Williams and Bellies machines? Because I've been reading online that people are like, oh, Twilight Zone, give me another Twilight Zone, whereas I'm assuming that they're going to do what was tried with that defunct fuckwit called Haggis and produce those style machines, because that was my interpretation of reading that. I'd agree with that, yeah. I'd be guessing classic, so... Yeah. So, you know, they've got seven titles apparently in the wings Okay That they've signed up for So I just wonder where they're headed with that Like, are they going to start with Centaur? And take over with those So what was left out? Centaur, I think there was an eight ball I'm not sure And there was one other that I think they sort of I don't think they ever announced them, did they? Yeah, I think the rumours came out that were pretty strong because of the serious ticket holders or whatever that were holding them. But, I mean, what would you like to see out of all of that, though?
    38:54
    What old-school machine, you know, if that's the assumption that we're taking, would you want to see them redo?
    39:02
    I've got no idea. I haven't even thought about that because you're just asking me right now. And what would they do? Would they just produce them as per normal? Are they bringing them to a DMD-style era and changing something? You know, like, would you like to see Strikes and Spares... With a display. With a DMD and have someone, that nice, hot, little red-headed chick, roll a machine down. But that is also what they said, though. They're going to do the re-image. Re-imagined. A re-imagined. That's what I meant to say. Re-imagined. So that could be possible, isn't it? They could be bringing out with a new sound system instead of having the old bells and chimes. Have a proper display up there.
    39:40
    They could be doing that, but who knows? I mean will they change the playfield designs on them? You wouldn't assume so if they're working with PPS because why would you want to redesign a whole new machine literally or a whole new playfield?
    39:57
    Because then you're just making a new machine then but you're just badging it as the same machine. So I doubt that. I don't think they'd change the playfield. But with the pricing as well, what they want for them, You think about what the funhouses are. Yeah. You inbox, you know. You ain't going to be paying that for an SS machine, are you? Well, everyone. I mean, there was one guy I noticed that was like, 10 grand, take my money. In the US? No, here in Australia on the post. I can't remember who it was. Apologies. I'm not deliberately singling you out, but I was a bit shocked that I wouldn't spend 10 grand on an SS style machine when you can pick up... But I can guarantee you that wouldn't be 10 grand either. that would be probably closer to the 18 that's just where I'd say it 18? for a 70s remake 70 to 80s remake who the fuck is buying those? I don't know sorry Jordan well it's your third one you've done I know but I had to say it with that one like seriously who's spending that sort of money you know I mean maybe if they did a Kiss you know a Playboy I still wouldn't be spending that on them no I know but I'm just saying those two machines that always seem to be quite popular Well, can I actually talk about that? There was actually a Playboy machine. I'm pretty sure it was restored for 12 and a half. Yep. So, you know, that's taken a big hit, hasn't it? Mm. Yeah. And has it sold yet? No. So then if it was a 10 do you think that sell Possibly If it was a brand new in machine If it was new in box you talking about from um planet yeah yeah yeah probably probably yeah probably i say so yeah but like i said we not going to see them at 10 yeah i don't believe you still haven't answered me what machines you'd like to see i don't know i can't even you know what haunted house no you know what black hole cheetah a new cheetah just so it's nice and so what would you what would you buy a new cheetah from an American pinball.
    41:56
    Yeah, probably seven. Okay. So you're only three grand away from what you're saying. So would they squeeze another three grand out of you? Probably not, no. If it had beautiful side rails, polished, mint, beautiful front. No. And the problem you've got is with American pinball, are they going to stick to the original style head boxes or are they going to use their funky-ass machines that they do? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think overall this is... So what would you spend then? What would you pay? What machine do you want? I wouldn't. I'd just buy secondhand. What machine do you want?
    42:31
    Brand new. Yep. I don't know. Yeah, like you. Come on. You've had the same time to think about it. Yeah, but you didn't ask me until now. I know, but you should be thinking. I'm just trying to think of the wide range. I mean, I had a wide range that I would buy, but they were all secondhand. I wouldn't buy them new. So I don't know if I would, for $7,000, I just wouldn't buy a new. Yeah, but what machine do you want to see, though?
    42:58
    I think, yeah, I don't want to see any, but I think the popular ones that will sell for them, well, I don't. Like I said, it's hard for me to say, oh, I'd like to see a Strikes and Spares. But you made me pick one. Yeah, but I knew you'd buy one, whereas I won't. There's no machine out there that I would buy for $7,000 as an old SS machine. Okay. So the machines that I would see that I think would be produced would be, like I said, your Kiss, your Playboy, probably Strikes and Spares, a Xenon might be in there. You'd probably definitely have some 8-Balls, some Centaurs, Fathoms I'm sure they would redo again. I can't see why they wouldn't because the original Haggis ones are fucking useless.
    43:42
    So you might see Swords of Fury. I mean, how bad would that be? Yeah, that'd be rough. Okay, there you go. There's my machine. I'd buy a new in-box Swords of Fury for seven grand. So I take back everything I've just said, and I think that's probably where they're priced at the moment anyway. So that would be a good enough buy. I think that's also the reason why that price is because there's so few and far between. Of the Swords of Fury? Swords of Fury. Yeah. That's why. Just the rarity of it. If anyone's got one, hit me up. I'll do a direct trade with you with these Game of Thrones. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Well, there you go. What's this? The Shadow's just popped up for $5,300.
    44:20
    So there's another machine today, 29 minutes ago, that we've discussed. Hang on, wait a minute. Shadow, but there's a photo of a Deadpool in there. So yes, Swords of Fury I would get for $7,000 for sure.
    44:37
    It was interesting, though. There was one comment on the discussion, which was... Let me just scroll it quickly so I give credit to the... And I think this goes back to our discussion that we were having with the flooded market and the pricing and everything. Adrian Wilson, as part of it, said, look for everyone to start selling their original machines knowing they'll be losing money, which I was like, well, I think that's already happening. I don't think people are making money off machines at the moment. It depends on when you bought them though, honestly. Oh, of course. Yeah, of course. But I think it will level out, which I think it probably already leveled slightly. So these people sell all these machines in anticipation of this actually coming through and actually being a thing. And then they don't have a machine. Yeah.
    45:26
    I can see that happening too. Yeah. I think, I mean, as I said, it's interesting. Excuse me. It's interesting. I'll be interested to see what they come out with further. in regards to any sort of announcement from AP. But again, we're just looking back. You know, it's probably a save the business move for them. Well, it has to be, because all the machines so far have been pretty arse. Yeah. So even that Barrios machine, I think, what did I say, they only sold 30 of them. Yeah, well. Yeah, all up. Yeah, there you go. Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure it was such a low number like that. Yeah, yeah, that's not great, is it? No. And Galactic Tank Force and Houdini and what else have been... Well, I think Houdini's were pretty successful. I think they sold quite a lot of them. But I think then people realised what a piece of shit they were to play. It was so difficult. Those shots were so tight. It needed to be a wide body, I think, was a general consensus with that machine.
    46:25
    But, yeah, so that's AP news. The only other thing that I saw was Jack Danger was putting online him building a machine.
    46:34
    Everyone alluded to it being Tank Girl because there was a tank in the back corner, back left-hand corner of it. Did you see much about that and have a look at that? Just had a bit of the same stuff as you, mate, just on what he kept uploading through his Facebook page. Yeah. So what about the theme for you, mate? Tank Girl. Not a big... I know the theme and I think it'll be a good theme, without a doubt. I don't... It's not for me. I've watched that movie probably about 10 times. When I was younger, it was fun. It was on VHS. And I still can't forget that scene.
    47:11
    The horny dogs, you know, they're drugging up the girls on the couch. Yeah, okay. When they got the nitrous oxide, getting all laughing, giggling, and then they pass out. And then they say, oh, what should we do? And he said, we should hump them.
    47:27
    Hump them. We should hump them because they're bloody mutated dogs, you know. if you remember that. It was a lot of fun. The movie was fun, but I should go back and have a watch. It was in that era of the Street Fighter movie and stuff. It had that corniness to it, that evil, the master villain, who's unstoppable, and it's like, really? It's the bloke in the suit.
    47:50
    I mean, it could be anything, as I said. Yeah, that's right. I'm not sure. I mean, I thought originally, which I got shot down about, which is cool, but I thought originally it was what he was doing for Stern. like he was showing the process of how a machine came together. So I thought it was Stern's next machine, but apparently not. He's just doing it for shits and giggles on the side, apparently. The next thing you know, that machine's been released. It's been released. Well, you never know, do you? No, you don't. Well, I mean, I went back and just refreshed my memory this morning, and the flow looks typical good Jack Danger flow. Unique shots. I think he's pulled back a little bit from his X-Men that I thought was very confusing and way too much going on. There's this other side of that where I think, like yourself, quite like it, good shots.
    48:36
    It felt right when you hit the shots. Yeah. It felt nice. And it was fun. It was different. I personally just don't want pinball all to be the same because if they're all the same, you might as well just have one machine. 100%. And that's why I liked him. That's why I was surprised that what happened happened. But it looks like he's got a little skint. Is that the Deadpool skint shot up there again? Isn't it called Snicked? Snicked, is it? Yeah, Snicked. Apologies, Snicked. There's a middle spinner and there's some good repeatable upper shots with those upper two flippers. So that looks like a bit of fun. But, yeah, I'd be interested to see how it goes and what he does with it. I guess it's technically a homebrew, I suppose. Is that what you classify it as? Yeah, if it's not in production, it's a homebrew. But there's no reason why it can't fall over into production. Just like his previous other machines, you know? Yep. And I suppose not being with Stern means he can possibly give it to anybody or anybody can commission it. But he's still working for Stern, though. Yeah, but he's just doing the media and stuff, isn't he? Still working for Stern, isn't it? Well, it depends on how the contract is, I suppose. Because if you remember, who's their artist that's done all Godzilla and all of those? What's his name? I'm now contracted. I'm not a freelancer, basically.
    49:49
    Zombie Eddie. Yeah, just came to me. Just came to me. So, yeah, that's what I mean. So depending on his arrangement, depending on Jack's arrangement with Stern, if he's a freelancer, you know, maybe he might be able to do whatever he wants with that machine.
    50:06
    But I guess we'll see. We'll see what happens. As of today, there weren't any emails. I had one from a guy just about the airball for the Harry Potter, which was nice. Thanks for reaching out. I'm just trying to cover filament costs and help people. and you can go onto the US and buy it from the US for $25 US if you want. That's right. There you go. Plus $40 probably US postage and you're up to $70. Like I'm offering, look, I put it up to $15 now, but I was offering them for $10.
    50:38
    How's this? Australia Post, right? So I just posted them in a letter. So I went down to the letter to the post office, and of course I had some old biddy behind the counter, and she's like, oh, does it fit? It brings out this big cardboard. Oh, does it fit through this slot? And I went, well, no, it's not going to. She goes, oh, okay. Well, then it was $3.20 to send. Because I was just like, oh, I just need three stamps. You know, just thinking, just give me the stamps. I can just post them. It'll be fine. Most letterboxes have either a little lid that lifts up or a flap that opens so that you can get a small package through the letterbox. Oh, no, it's got to fit through this slot that's about an inch wide. and she goes, oh, okay, well, that's, you know, three 20s to two stamps. And I'm like, oh, God, okay. And not that it mattered, as I said, I was just doing it to help customers out, customers, people. So I just sort of bumped it up to 15 just to say, look, sorry, guys, you know, I don't want to send them for $5. You know, at least cover the cost of postage for me. But yeah, look, happy to help a few guys out where possible. Yep, awesome. Like I said, sure, it's a 3D print, but I've stuck my own words on it. Got to deal with people via PM, drive down to the post office. So it is what it is. Just you spend it in petrol too. Yeah, that's exactly right.
    52:00
    Buys me cigarettes. Yes. I don't smoke, honey. I don't smoke. That's all you want. Now, you had a couple of topics that you just wanted to run through and have a bit of a chat about. One of them, which was a flow over of what I wanted to chat about, so it was good that you did this. So, look, this topic is more so for the newbies, like, you know, any new listeners and don't know much about how you describe machines as well. So for all you veterans out there, you can just tune out if you want. You know, go grab yourself a beer or just sit here and listen to us. And if you've got any other input, yeah, send us an email as well. You know, just reach out. Pinball.white at hotmail.com. Anyway, so... Discussions. Yeah, discussions. So this year is for the newbies in the hobby, you know, so you veteran pinball experts, you don't have to listen. So it's just touching base on what types of machines are out there, as in project machines, player's condition, shopped machines, a refurbished machine or a restored machine. So you just want to give people, or we just want to give people... Just a bit of insight, what it means. Well, and to, yeah, correct, yeah, break them up to sort of... Yeah, sort of categories, yeah. Yeah, categorise them. So a project machine can be a wide variety of machines. So you can have the project machine, which is a piece of shit, which you need to have like a PhD in rebuilding pinball machines, which I do not recommend. Just because it's $300, don't buy it, guys, because you're just going to look at that and it's going to sit in the back corner of your shed for the rest of your life and you're just going to use that time to get out of the house and go have a beer and a smoke so the wife doesn't know what you're really doing.
    53:41
    So otherwise, you can get project machines, which, hey, you just might need a new cabinet. It might need a playfield replacement. It might need just some, even some basic things like the rubbers are worn. The flippers aren't working properly. The pop bumpers aren't working. It might be missing a board. I think all of those things together, though, I think if you buy a machine that just needs rubbers, it's not a project machine. No. But if it has all of those, like you said, if it has rubbers, pop-up is not working, flip is not working, the playfield might be a bit worn, then that's a project machine encompassing all of those. So in general, if you're new into the hobby and don't know or have any experience with it, I'd suggest you don't buy something like that. Yeah. I mean, project machines back when I remember them used to have missing boards. Well, that's what we just said today. Oh, did you? Sorry, apologies. But yeah, so missing boards. And as you said, sometimes the wiring loom and what have you might need some repairing. And usually... Slipper mechs might be missing, like the whole kit and caboodle. Body usually okay, but scratched and beaten and a bit of a struggle straight. Maybe some new legs are needed. Yeah, that's it. But usually you'd... You can even, if you had another machine which needed a few parts, you'd buy that cheap machine and restore the other one. You know, so missing parts. More sort of parts. Do you think that happens much these days? I know it used to happen sort of back early 2000s, but I don't know if there's so much of a donor-style machine these days. Not 100% sure. Because with the NIB sort of flooding the market, it'd be interesting to see if people still do that. So then we've got players-conditioned machines. So that machine should be a fully functional machine. But look, you might have one mech which is just maybe not working 100% all the time, but in general, it should be a working machine. It might have a little bit of wear on the playfield. It might need some new rubbers eventually down the future. so that is a good spot to start with anyone who's new in the hobby so you can always look online and how to do a lot of these little quick fixes so it's not a difficult process Who was the guy that had it on Clay?
    55:56
    Were you part of ever rec games on Google? No Clay's guides were just for those that know So Clay's guides were second to none. And I know when he cracked it and pulled them all offline, before he did that, I think there was a majority of us that downloaded as much as we could and saved it because I don't think it's on the way back.
    56:20
    And yeah, his guides to, you know, as simple as changing a fuse to flip a rebuild to full restores and harness and wiring and brilliant, brilliant stuff to go through. Yeah, nice. And then you've got a shop machine. So, you know, you could get a place-conditioned shop machine, though, I guess, can't you? Yep. Which means it's not a perfect machine, but you shouldn't have to be replacing any rubbers or anything like that or having to replace globes. Everything should be just done for you. Yeah. So it should be in very good condition, you'd say, wouldn't you? Well, it depends. I mean, you could probably get an old-school, you know, Bale 80s that's typical wear on playfield and plastics that might be a bit warped or a bit damaged in the body that might be that patina-style stuff kind of scratched. But I still think you can shop those machines out, as you said, by changing globes. Well, not necessarily. I think plastics is taking it to a higher level than just shopped. I think shopped for me is generally just a good cleaner wax. Anything that's not working becomes working. but if you're looking at replacing plastics then you're looking at maybe doing star posts with that so that way they match and then okay you're looking at leads so leads not necessarily is part of the shop I mean most people would use leads but again if they've got incandescence then I'm okay with just an incandescent changeover but as long as it's all working yep that's right So then we've got the refurbished slash restored. They're the same word, honestly. It's the same bloody thing. Okay. Don't you think refurbished and restored means the same?
    58:10
    No, I don't. Because we just discussed refurbished, didn't we, as... No, it's a shop machine. Shop machine, refurbished.
    58:19
    No, I think restored for me is pulling a machine apart and doing everything. Okay. I think refurbished would be the same thing. Would you replace an earth wire braid on a refurbished machine?
    58:37
    I guess so, yeah, because it would all be part of the same thing. Yeah. You would? Yeah. Okay. I'd be saying it's the same sort of thing. I would say refurbished is where they might just do new flipper mechs, for example, and not necessarily do anything in the body of it. So would you expect new cabinetry, new artwork? For refurbished, yeah.
    59:01
    Because I'm saying I believe that refurbished and restored is the same terminology. Yeah. We would agree to disagree. I think there's a difference for me in them. So what would refurbished be to you then? So refurbished to me as I said would be just it's a step above shopped in regards to not just having the leads and that sort of stuff done, but flipper rebuilds, so new flipper mechs, so everything, so sleeves, armatures, and all of that sort of stuff would need. Possibly flipper bats as well, depending on how they look. Obviously, full rubber kit. Upgrade to leads, regardless of what the machine has. It must have leads.
    59:47
    I wouldn't say colour DMD, whereas that's where restored would take you to a colour DMD, in my opinion as well as a point of difference. Plastics, yes. Just a good polish of the play field. I don't think it would need a new play field. Yeah, okay. I don't think it would need touch-ups if there's possible insert wear or slight wear around orbits, around back of machines and stuff like that. Okay.
    60:13
    Body not touched at all. Maybe slight touch-ups of Posca's or coloured pens that people do do just to hide it. any major chips, any major chips on a refurbished? No, I'd say as long as, if they were just covered up, that's okay. Okay. So that would be my initial thought. You know, pop bumpers possibly rebuilt as well.
    60:40
    Depending on if they're working or not really, don't you think? Well, regardless, if you're having a refurbished machine, if you're doing the flippers, then yeah, I would expect pops. I mean, as long as they're really nice and snappy, but sometimes, and no hacks especially. Like I know you look under machines and there's wiring hacks, and especially in the back box, stuff like that. Soldered directly to the headers. Yeah, so small things like that. Whereas when you're looking at a, for me, when you elevate to a restored is, in my opinion, brand new. So that includes, for me, trans light or back box, back glass. whereas refurbished, I don't think you need to do that. You can just give it a wipe. If there's marks or damage on the trans light, so be it. Colour DMD, brand new decals throughout the machine,
    61:32
    playfield taken out, insert underneath. I suppose similar to what I did to my Johnny Mnemonic but just on the body is that I took the playfield out and got new decals which meant the lockdown bar, and what is it, the mechanism of it and everything got polished and chromed or plated and, you know, they sealed the base of the cabinet. They painted the cabinet. You know, it was all redone. You know, the wiring was all redone. I got a new earth braid in it you know like to the nth degree and not necessarily like a Tim Hot Rodded sort of nth degree that he goes to but just brand new I want either tumbled or brand new parts with nuts bolts hexes you name it I want that fucking thing to shine. Whereas a refurbished machine, I don't expect nuts and bolts and hex posts to be done. I don't expect flame polished ramps. I don't expect high polished Y-forms. You want brand new shit. But whereas in restored, that's what I want. Yeah, go. So that's the only difference. Then what should I be describing the word, though?
    62:46
    Well, refurbish is okay, but you just need to change your perception, maybe. Yeah, you know, I just always thought it was the same sort of word, same meaning, same definition.
    62:57
    Would you agree with what I said? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So stick with refurbish. But what would I call my, sorry, just going that little bit level up.
    63:07
    Because you go, well, I guess it is, isn't it? Well, the only... Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. Level up is referred. Yeah, yeah. And then it's just restored. Like, I don't know if there's a... Yeah, yeah, okay. I don't know if there's a midpoint between those two.
    63:19
    A better shop. But yeah, that to me... And as I said, you know, colour DMD, if wanted with that. Depends on what area you're using as well. Well, of course. That's why I said if, you know... I mean, you'd look at the pin scores maybe for the... Yeah, yeah. SS style machines. But, yeah, restored to me is brand new. Yeah. No, 100%. I definitely agree. Yeah. The thing that started to frustrate me somewhat is with restored machines, people advertising them as restored and not letting us know who's done it. Yeah. Like, there's restorers in Australia, you'd be shouting from the rooftops. You know, if Tim, for example, restored your machine, I don't know how you wouldn't shout that from the rooftop. Yep. that he's restored it. That he did it, yeah. Yep. Not just building in the backyard. Because, no disrespect, if you restored a machine, while you know what you're doing, okay, and even if it was somebody else who doesn't know what they're doing, you know, you're just winning it. You're just trying to make something better than what it is and cover your costs for that. Well, why? Who are you? It's not, you know, you're not a business. Don't you agree? Yeah, I 100% agree. You're not a business. No, that's right. You're not a restorer. This is your one and only trial at doing a machine. Yep. Get out of here with that. Yep, I agree. You know, you've bought a, I don't know, a fishtails for seven. You've probably given it to someone to do the decals for, for two and a half. So that's nine and a half. And then you're going to go through and buy a tumbler, no doubt, and tumble all of the metal parts where possible. Flame polish your ramps, you know, maybe polish, you know, get out the brasso and do your wire forms. You know, I don't know. Can you buy plastics for most machines brand new still these days? Maybe, maybe not. A lot of machines you can, but just fans, yeah. But the problem is, is you lift up the playfield, the underneath looks like crap. Yes, that's right. Because you've done nothing underneath. Yep. So it's not restored. So it's refurbished. Refurbished, yep. Yeah.
    65:28
    But when you're a nobody, it's shocked. Yes. I don't care. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? It just seems unusual in this hobby that anybody can say it's been restored and they've done it themselves and they're just trying to make money off the restored process that others have done professionally. But yeah, I think, as we just said, refurbish, I think, is putting good quality things back into it without... Stuff being cleaned and done properly. Yeah, without sort of blowing out the budget. Yep. unless you're okay not getting that money back on the sale of the machine. And I think that, for me, is the difference between refurbished and restored as well, is the price point. Because originally I sort of had in my head that it would be like a high-end shop. Yep. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. As a refurbished. Yeah. But yeah, I might have thought that refurbished and restored were the same sort of thing. But yeah, now you're putting context like this. On a restored machine, everything's brand new. Yeah. Including the playfield. Oh, 100%. Unless the playfield was in good condition, it's been touched up and clear-coated and stuff. Yeah. That's okay as a restored to have a playfield that's been touched up and re-cleared. Professionally. Professionally, correct. Yeah, yeah, 100%. It doesn't necessarily have to be new. Yeah. But, yeah, because obviously you can't get new playfields for everything. And also with the cabinet, would it have to be a brand-new cabinet? Not a brand-new cabinet. Or could it just be fixed up and then... Yes, it would need to... So old decals would need to be removed, any sanding, any filling, and then the prep work for new decals or new artwork. So, yes, for the restored, without a doubt. But, yeah, definitely top to bottom, brand spanking for restored. Whereas, yeah, as we said, you know, refurbished, you know, if there's plastics that are cracked or anything like that, Like some are hard to source. So you would just, what I've done in the past is just advise buyers of that and price accordingly that, you know, if they want to get new plastics, then they can source it and it's not going to blow the cost of the machine out when they do that. But also, then here comes the next one. Yeah. If you're going to restore a machine, it is generally for your own personal enjoyment. Yeah. Not to make profit because you're going to lose. yeah so obviously unless unless you are the reason unless you are the restorer i should say unless that's your business that someone's brought a machine to you so yes correct but yeah 100 mate 100 i i don't that's what i think we started off with i don't understand where people are trying this themselves to then you know oh i'm gonna you know it's taken me 80 hours at $40. No, mate. You're a nobody. That's been your decision to do it. You're the one that's overcapitalized in this market. You've got to wear those costs for it. Exactly.
    68:36
    And also for the new people as well. Sometimes people say the word NIB come up. Yep. And people go, what's NIB? It means new in box. Oh, I thought it was the healthcare people. It is, yeah. Is it healthcare people? It is, yeah. Expensive. I thought that's who it was. Yeah, that's right. No? Yes, you are right, Matty. So, HUO?
    68:58
    That's another, that's a brewery, isn't it? It's a brewery? It is. It's C-U-B? Yeah. HUO? Home use only. That's right. Home use only. Which is important when people want to know the quality. I mean, look, obviously sighted machines, there's always, I think, the discussion between I mean, those that cite and those that don't, as long as the cited machine is well looked after, it shouldn't matter how many plays are through it. And the more plays sometimes is better because everything's been ironed out and all the rest of it. Obviously, for me personally, I don't want 18,000 plays. No, that's right. But maybe you have a cited machine with a couple of thousand. You're right. I think probably these days it'd be more than that. You'd want to hope, I suppose. Generally, yeah. But if it's not making money on site, then they're going to pull it out and try and get some cash back. Yeah, correct. Correct. But yeah, definitely home use only is where I like to be. Yep, yep. And you also, if you can get it documented as well, you know, to prove that it is home use only, which is nice. Which can also, what can also give you identification of that is a receipt from the distributor or even like with the newer machines, hopefully a goodie bag still stable inside. Yeah, which is a good way. And sealed. And a goodie bag is. It's got all the little extra, you've got your key rings, you've got all your little spare breakable plastics, which you're expecting to happen. Yep. You have your manual as well. Which we've stumbled down as well. Yeah. I think just maybe a small clarification, home use only, just if you come across one, just be wary of those that say home use only for the last 12 years. Yeah. So what that means is they've had it in their home for 12 years. But anyone that says they've had a Twilight Zone or an Addams Family's home use only generally would be full of shit. Those things are cited all day, every day. And sure, home use only for 12 years is good, but it's still been on site. So just check it out and don't be caught out by that, I guess. Just be aware that people can try and, maybe not deliberately, but they just try and skirt that H-U-O, the home use only type discussion, that's all. Yeah. Then we're going to talk about sort of how to trust a seller. Yeah. You know, so on our page, I think we're pretty good. We've got rid of all the scammers. And I call up members when they bring it out because I'm like, not on this page. Oh, no, on other pages. Well, don't say it on my page. Like I get a bit defensive sometimes with that. So apologies if it comes across a bit snappy. I know that the person I'm talking about, hopefully he's okay with it. But yeah, I just, you know, or watch out for scammers, mate. We don't have them on our page. Yeah, that's right. Because it's a private page. We've discussed this. So look, if there's any doubt, put up a post, ask, is this person legit? Yeah, and see if someone vouches for them. And or contact admin. Yeah. So which I actually had someone do that about three weeks ago. Contacted me and they said, is this person legit? I said, who? And they just gave me their first name. I said, such and such who? And he said, I said, yeah, you've got no problems with that. You're fine. And then he actually just messaged me yesterday and said, good news, Matt, I just got the two machines delivered. So I was very happy. So that kept him safe because he just fought out probably,
    72:25
    what if I remember pricing, probably $16,000. So that's a lot of money to lose if you weren't sure because he was in WA and they were in Sydney. So, yeah. I think as well with sellers when it comes to it. Like I know obviously with Shannon, who we deal with on our page, these guys probably shouldn't speak out of turn, but I know they have in the past. They can take the cash with them. If you deposit it into their bank or something, maybe go up, make sure the machine's there and do the exchange then and there for you. I'm sure if you ask them to do that sort of stuff, they're not going to say no because they're still doing a run, so you're still going to get charged, no doubt, for the pinball run. There's that sort of thing. I know a lot of people like buying in the state they're in, and I'm very much like that because I like to view the machine in person. But I've asked Shannon, I think, before, mate, if I just deposit your cash, even if it's not the whole amount but just a deposit amount of $1,000 or $2,000, so Shannon can go up there and give that portion of it and then you pay the rest to the customer, so to speak, or the seller, I should say.
    73:39
    Yeah. But yeah, I think as a whole, I'd like to think up age is pretty safe. Yep. But always reach out if needs be. I actually saw something the other day. What was it? Do you see that as well? Yeah, a guy. He purchased a machine. Six months ago, a Williams or something. And then that went through smoothly, so he sent him the money for the other machine and that's it, gone. Yeah. Fucking disgusting, isn't it? Yeah. But it wasn't on our page, was it? Nope. No, it wasn't.
    74:08
    So there you go. I actually had a search for the name and he wasn't on it. Yeah, good. So he's not on our page. So, see, we're safe. Safe place, safe haven. We are. So. We are. Now, what we're going to have, we're just going to have a little bit of a chat just about the new inbox market. Mm. You know, just. Yeah, this was something you wanted to bring up, actually, wasn't it? It's just, you know, since we watch the secondary market all the time. Yeah. Hence the segment. Yeah. So it gives me, I just really don't believe there's a lot of new inbox machines coming in, in general. I just feel that, like last year, like Dungeons & Dragons was released. And we've only seen two premiums come up for sale. Yep. You know, I'm just going to give another example. So King Kong Myth of Terror Island. We've now seen three LEs come up for sale. Yep. And I'm pretty sure one was just listed yesterday. Mm-hmm. So, you know, that's quite a long time. Then you've got the Metallica Remastered, which was released in the end of 24, and we've only seen two premiums come up for sale. I know we're not going to see an LE because I think there was only three or five that came into the country. Right, okay. So there weren't many.
    75:20
    But we've seen two premiums of them to come up for sale. If you compare that back to, like, the year before, 2024, we had Foo Fighters, which was released.
    75:33
    They just came sailing out of everywhere. There was LEs for sale. There was premiums for sales. I'm pretty sure there was a couple of pros, but otherwise, the market was flooded with them. They just came out of nowhere. Same as the year before that, Godzilla. They came hammering out. And they're still coming out everywhere. Yeah, Avengers. And Avengers. So, you know, it shows that there was a lot of machines that obviously came in at this time. And I just believe that maybe 2025, 2024 was a bit of a slow year for new inbox purchases. Even in 2024, yeah.
    76:07
    No, sorry, 23, Venom was released. Mate, they kept coming up left, right, and center as well. Is that, do you think that is the case or is it because the machines that are being released now are better machines and therefore staying in collectors? No, I don't think so. No? No. I don't believe so.
    76:32
    Like, even John Wick. Like, we didn't see many of them come in either, did we? I mean, we didn't see many of them for sale. Well, I suppose we don't know numbers exactly. No, of course not. But this is using just a bit of... But that's what I'm saying. They've obviously, X amount have obviously come into Australia, but just because they're not coming up for sale, does that mean that the numbers that came in were low or that people actually like the machine and they're just keeping it. Well, what do you think? Because, well, honestly, I don't know. I would only say that the machines coming into Australia are still the same amount. Same volume, like Foo Fighters and Godzillas? I think so, yeah. Really? Okay. I just think, and just speaking completely off the cuff and thinking about it as we're talking about it, I think people with Foo Fighters either loved or hated the layout, being Jack Danger, and I think that's why they came up. People were like, oh, no, I don't like this layout. I don't know how. It flowed like a motherfucker. Sorry, Jordan. But it really did. So I just think it was, oh, I don't like it, Jack Danger, nah, forget it. And then what was after that? Godzilla came after that, or was that before? Godzilla was a year before. Yeah. JJP released some. Maybe the sales have gone that way as well. Maybe the sales have gone into spooky machines and people are holding on to evil deads and your Texas Chainsaw Massacres and that sort of stuff. And that's why those ones came out, but that's why you're not necessarily seeing those machines that I made mention. I mean, Elton John's, I've only seen one CE pop up now. I've seen a few of them. I don't see many sort of toy stories come up, Godfathers from time to time, I guess, you know, but I just wonder whether or not people actually holding onto the machines and being like, oh, these are actually decent machines. I like them. You know, compared to Godzilla, which I think we discussed, the rules were so complex and so in-depth that people, I feel like after COVID was over, was like, this is too much for me.
    78:41
    I don't know. I just wonder if, as a different point of view, if that's the case as well, maybe. That attributes, maybe it's both, that it attributes to lack of machines coming in, but also the machines that are coming in, people now are holding on to them and not selling them because they're great. Well, this year will tell, won't it? I guess this year will tell as well because you give it a year of sitting and see if any do show up. Yep. It just felt like there might not have been as much coming in as there was. We definitely haven't seen the new in-box market resale on the second-hand market come up as aggressively as it's done in the past couple of years, no doubt. No doubt. But as I said, I just wonder if there's more to it than just that, maybe. I don't know. Not sure, mate. Interesting. Well, if anyone's got any thoughts, write in pinballozwide at hotmail.com. And don't tell us to shut up. But yeah, no, let us know your thoughts, guys. If you're interested, happy to hear them, of course. Happy to hear them.
    79:48
    What do you reckon, mate? Does that wrap us up today? I think that about wraps us up. Because I'm getting bloody hungry. Yeah, pies are on. We've got two beef brisket and jalapeno and cheese pies to have, so... Yeah, so we could have another running tap Googling Matt going on. That's why I'm going to go home very quick. Go home very quick?
    80:08
    Yes, I think that does wrap it up. I don't have an admin rant. Nah. Crap over New Year's, people still listing cars and bikes and whatever, but I've been getting rid of them because I'm sick of it now. But otherwise, I think the page has been okay, to be honest, which has been good.
    80:24
    And Matt does a lot of hard admin accepting and approvals, doesn't he? It's only me and you, mate. We know those boys aren't going to listen. No, they won't. That's very true. But you're floundering. I've done like 120 requests, and you've only done about 10 or something as I've loved. Bullshit, go look now. I will. Bullshit, open up now while alive. No, it doesn't show those on the PC. Oh, God. Yeah, it just shows better on the PC, the 28-day thing. Listen, mate, I think I'm probably beating you, mate. I tell you, I'd like to put 50 bucks on the line. You're not. Not today, though. Oh, there you go.
    81:01
    All right, guys, that's it. Enjoy the month. Thank you, listeners. Yes, again, like, follow, please, guys. As I said, we've got more listeners than we do followers. So if you listen and if you've got this far, thank you. And please. Then we hope you enjoyed it. As always. Outtakes? We're going to put any outtakes in it? There's probably a couple maybe. You don't know. Wait and see. We'll see. Have a listen. See what happens. Thank you, Jared. Thanks, Matty. Pleasure always.
    81:40
    so anyway quick I said that at that time I've struggled forever to say pinball laws wide at hotmail.com and that just rolled off the top of my head. Just not enough credit was given just then. So the first thing... The fact that you've just skipped straight past that conversation as well. Sorry, what was that? Sorry, I've just lost you, mate. I was in the middle of just reading. No, no. Sorry, keep going. What was that? I was just trying to get credit for my Pinballers Wide situation.
    82:30
    You can read your email address quick. Is that what you're saying? I can say it, not read it. Can't you say it? Pinballers Wide. What is it? Ah, see? It's not that easy I didn't know if it was that hot So yeah Pinballerswaterhotmail.com That's a bit too quick for listeners Pinballerswaterhotmail.com Say it a quick five times Say it like you've got a red hot poker stuck up your ass Say it like you're underwater