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PINBALL OZ WIDE - EPISODE 20: JUSTIN FROM TAZPIN and SECRET EASTER EGGS UNVEILED

Pinball Oz Wide·podcast_episode·2h 1m·held·Jun 25, 2026
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TL;DR

Pinball Oz Wide 20: hosts share personal updates, tournament results, machine maintenance, and upcoming Tazpin interview.

Summary

Pinball Oz Wide 20 features hosts Jared and Matt discussing their months, including personal updates (Matt's father in nursing home, ACL injury; Jared's games room council delays), a tournament they played, maintenance work on Deadpool pinball machine, and 3D printing projects. The episode includes an upcoming interview with Justin from Tazpin and covers Easter eggs in pinball machines. The content is a casual, meandering podcast discussion with significant personal anecdotes interspersed with light pinball industry talk.

Key Claims

  • The podcast picked up only one extra Spotify follower despite getting three times as many listens as followers

    high confidence · Jared discussing listener engagement metrics early in episode

  • Matt has a partial torn ACL from an injury at Phillip Island that flares up intermittently

    high confidence · Matt describing his month, mentioning hospital visit and knee injury at monster truck event

  • Jared won a trophy playing pinball against Matt, winning games on Star Wars, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and Whitewater machines

    high confidence · Matt and Jared discussing their tournament session where Jared took home the trophy

  • Jared's Simpsons pinball machine (purchased in 2013) is experiencing rubber degradation with multiple rubbers popping off during play

    high confidence · Jared describing machine issues during tournament play: 'all these rubbers started exploding and popping off'

  • Jared has a 48-volt power issue on Fish Tales pinball that he suspects is a bridge rectifier problem

    high confidence · Jared listing machines available for play during tournament: 'I've got a 48-volt issue, which I'm pretty sure it's just a bridge rectifier'

  • Pinball Life shipped a rubber kit from offshore to Australia in 5-6 days (ordered Wednesday, arrived Monday/Tuesday)

    high confidence · Jared's experience ordering rubber kits: 'it was packaged and shipped and arrived on my door, I think, like five or six days later'

  • Deadpool (Premium) manual does not match the actual machine configuration—missing two rubbers behind the dead drop targets

    high confidence · Jared noting manual discrepancy: 'there's two rubbers behind the dead drop targets and the pull drop targets that aren't in the manual'

  • Jared's friend Jim's Doctor Who pinball machine has not been LED converted yet and still uses incandescents

    high confidence · Jared visiting Jim's collection: 'his machines need a little bit of work. Like, he's still only done leads on one machine. All the rest of them have incandescents'

Notable Quotes

  • “I let him win. So then what else will we do?”

    [name withheld pending review] @ ~28:00 — Humorous moment highlighting the competitive but friendly nature of their tournament play

  • “It was the worst pain I've ever been in. And what did you do about it?... No, I didn't actually have to go see the doctor.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ ~10:00 — Illustrates Matt's current personal struggles and health issues affecting his engagement

  • “There goes a freaking other rubber. Oh, there's another rubber going down the centre lane. Oh, there's one going to Cartman's Scoop.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ ~35:00 — Vivid description of rubber degradation on older machines requiring restoration

  • “I had to go offshore. I had to get it from Pinball Live, which was, like I said, a bit annoying when you try and support the local guys”

    Jared on ordering rubber kits @ ~45:00 — Indicates local Australian pinball supplier inventory limitations

  • “The fact that you can't get your glass off your machines. I can tell you that.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ ~50:00 — Humorous jab at Jared's collection management; indicates potential glass/cabinet fit issues

  • “And it took 10 and a half hours... because I slowed down the print and increased the print quality... it really does show how good it's come out.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ ~120:00 — Technical insight into 3D printing quality vs. speed trade-offs for detailed projects

Entities

JaredpersonMattpersonJustinpersonGeorgepersonJimpersonPinball Oz WidepodcastPinball LifecompanyStern Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Podcast hosts note significant discrepancy between listens (3x higher) and followers/subscribers, suggesting growth plateau or listener retention without subscription commitment

    high · Jared: 'we get at least three times the amount of listens that we do followers... if you're listening, please just follow, like, subscribe'

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern Deadpool Premium manual contains errors—documentation omits two rubbers that exist on actual machines behind drop targets

    high · Jared: 'the manual that Stern have for the premium doesn't actually match what's on the machine... there's two rubbers behind the dead drop targets... that aren't in the manual'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Australian pinball enthusiasts struggle to source complete rubber kits locally; forced to order offshore (Pinball Life) due to incomplete local inventory

    high · Jared: 'I struggled to find someone in Australia that had a full rubber allotment... I had to go offshore... local guys didn't have all of the rubbers'

  • $

    market_signal: Offshore supplier (Pinball Life) demonstrates faster fulfillment to Australia (5-6 days) than local suppliers can offer, suggesting logistics advantage

    medium · Jared: 'I must have ordered on the Wednesday and it was packaged and shipped and arrived on my door... like five or six days later'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Machines 10+ years old (Simpsons from 2013) experiencing significant rubber degradation and require comprehensive re-rubber + LED conversion projects

    high · Jared: 'all these rubbers started exploding and popping off... I'll change all the LEDs again because they're the shit LEDs from back in the day'

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome everybody to the Pinball Auswide podcast. This is episode 20 and in this episode you'll have usual thank yous, month in review. We have a bit of a chat with Justin from Tazpin this month as well. Our usual segment Pinball Plus Watch which is our best buys and world famous what the fuck. We'll also have a small discussion on competition in Australia and do we need more sellers that you'll inbox. The segment Silver Ball Showdown, just for tips. Some rumour in industry news which will cover off Totem Remake, Sonic Pokemon accessories and the Transformers Topper League. The discussion this month is about Easter eggs in machines and then any emails and admin rants. As always, I'm Jared, joined by Matt. Welcome, Matty. Hi, Jared. How are you, buddy? Great. I'm okay. I'm good. It's been a good day so far. We've obviously just got off the phone to Justin from TASPIN, so you guys will hear that. After our monthly review? Yeah, after our monthly review, we'll splice that in, but that was nice to catch up and have a bit of a chat about that. So to begin off, as always, a bit of a language warning, guys. So any young listeners, please tune away now. We're going to try and do our best as always and no cuss words. I think we've been doing okay. We've been all right, haven't we? Jordan doesn't work with Nadine anymore, so I don't know if she's giving feedback on how much swearing we do. But Jordan, if you're out there, send me a message or let Nadine know we've been good boys.
1:41
Back when we first started, I guess there was a bit more swearing. I remember talking to Rob and he said, that is horrendous how much you guys swear. I can't believe it and people still listen. It's like, why not? Where are the guys? I think it's that and maybe just the hobby. Yeah, that's right. You're used to sort of getting around speaking shit and having a few beers. That's exactly right. It is what it is. You're amongst friends, as they say. That's right. And as always, the usual thank yous to our current listeners and subscribers and followers. Yep. And thank you to any new listeners that jump on board as of today. I know I say this every episode, but we only picked up one extra follower on Spotify that I noticed. I'm going to try again. I think I said this last time to get Apple Podcasts and see if I can get that. But for some reason, only one extra follower. So, I mean, at the moment, we get at least three times the amount of listens that we do followers. Now, unless the followers are listening to us three times, which is awesome, I don't know if that would happen. But if you're listening, please just follow, like, subscribe, do what you've got to do so that we can get a little bit more on the channel. Help us grow, come bigger and better. That's it, that's it. And then we can, you know, ask for sponsors and get free stuff and keep it all for ourselves. Yeah, 100%. Month, Matty. You want to go first? Yeah, I'll start off, mate, honestly. Give us a rundown. Mate, it's been a shit month, honestly. Yeah. So it's been a horrible long month. Even though it felt like it's gone so quickly, but if you were listening last month, my father is in hospital and unfortunately had to put him into a nursing home last week. So it's been pretty stressful. So I'm currently just sitting here dead tired, just haven't been sleeping well, just feel drained. You look shit to be honest. I do, don't I? Seriously, I honestly do, mate. I was looking in the mirror there going, I haven't even cut my hair, mate. I seriously... Yeah, I noticed that before, but... I know, it doesn't look great, does it? I don't give a shit. I care about it. No, because normally I've got a nice cup, but I just, motivation's not there. Yeah, so anyway, so we did nil and then on that weekend, next weekend after nil, I took the kids to the monster trucks. And the Friday before I went to the monster trucks, I was at the hospital to see my dad, and my knee went, oh, that doesn't feel very nice. So for the rest of the night, I was just in pain. My knee was really sore. And I have a partial torn ACL, which just flares up here and there. Anyway, so the Saturday morning came and I went, oh, I was going to tell my wife I don't want to go because I just feel crap. But I pushed through, I went, and that was the worst thing I've ever done in my life. I regret it. It was the worst pain I've been in. And what did you do about it? What did the doctor say? No, I didn't actually have to go see the doctor. Oh, you didn't see the doctor? No, no, because I've already got all the medication. Yeah, okay. So for a partial torn ACL, you're just going to do nothing about it? I will eventually go get surgery when it fully tears. Wow. So at the moment, no. I've got bigger fish to fry at the moment. Anyway, so I spent almost a week in bed on painkillers and did literally not much. Yep. Then shortly after that, after I started feeling better, me and yourself caught up. We did. Yeah, we had an awesome catch-up. It was a big session. You got to mind about 11, didn't you? Yeah. It was 11 a.m. Morning. Yep. And you didn't leave until about 11.30, was it? It was about 11.30. Yeah, I think we tried to do the typical last game at about 10.30. Just keep going. As always, yeah, we just sort of took our time with it a little bit, a bit more chatty. Yeah, and we played for the trophy this time, which is the first time this year, which is ridiculous. Appalling. Yeah, it is. Absolutely appalling. It is appalling. And I took the trophy home this time, which is amazing. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it doesn't always happen, so it was a bit of a neck-on-neck tournament, honestly. It was. You got two up. I won the first two games, which was Star Wars and Ten Edmund Ninja Turtles. So two fantastic games, really nice flowing, easy to play, no sort of enormous bounces and not brutal at all. No, they're great. So anyway, I won the first two games and then we jumped on the Dada Ritz-Simpsons, which you had a big comeback on the last ball, wasn't it? Thank you, sir. I'm glad you said that because you were about 2mm up and I was sitting on about 600 and you were 2.1. Uh-huh. And you got to 8mm, wasn't it? I don't know. No, I don't think it was quite that high. But I know I got the jackpot, which just sort of got me ahead with the three-ball, multiple. Destroyed me on that. And then we jumped on the south bar. I was like, yeah, I should be able to get him. But no, he actually almost got grand champion on it. He wasn't far off because you were about 150-something. Another great game. And how's this? As a little playing, well, I haven't done anything with this machine since I bought it back in... I think I bought this back in 2013. So, yeah, it was a good 13 years ago. Yeah. And as we were playing the game, all these rubbers started exploding and popping off. So on all the posts, there goes a freaking other rubber. Oh, there's another rubber going down the centre lane. Oh, there's one going to Cartman's Scoop. So that game is going to need to have the glass up and a little bit of a chop. A little bit? Yeah. A huge chop. Nah, it just needs a good cleaner re-rubber. Honestly, I'll change all the LEDs again because they're the shit LEDs from back in the day. Yeah, okay. LEDs were just disgusting back then. Yeah. And then we jumped onto Whitewater, which I won. Yep. And then I couldn't get those damn lock shots. That's all I was trying, and I think two or three of them hit and went straight down the middle on me, and I'm like, oh my God. And then we went to jump onto fish tiles, but unfortunately I've got a 48-volt issue, which I'm pretty sure it's just a bridge rectifier. I'm not happy.

  • Jared is running MAME arcade emulator version .288 with recently downloaded ROMs

    high confidence · Jared describing MAME setup: 'it's running at the moment .288'

  • The 3D printed 'Rabbit Season / Duck Season' sign took 10.5 hours to print with 34 layers, with the final layer alone taking 2.5 hours at high quality settings

    high confidence · Jared explaining print time and quality: 'it took 10 and a half hours... the top layer... it took two and a half hours to do a top layer'

    • Chicago Gaming Company
    company
    Deadpoolgame
    The Simpsons Pinball Partygame
    White Watergame
    Fish Talesgame
    Shadowgame
    Star Warsgame
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtlesgame
    Doctor Whogame
    Draculagame
    Creature from the Black Lagoongame
    [name withheld pending review]venue
    Red Gum BBQvenue
    Tazpinorganization
  • ?

    venue_signal: Jim's local collection includes multiple classic machines (Doctor Who, Dracula, Creature from Black Lagoon) with mixed LED conversion status; represents potential venue or collector network

    medium · Jared visiting Jim's collection: multiple machines at various states of maintenance; LED conversion in progress across fleet

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts express preference for 'easy to play' machines with good flow and minimal brutal bounces (Star Wars, TMNT) over high-difficulty designs

    medium · Matt discussing tournament: 'really nice flowing, easy to play, no sort of enormous bounces and not brutal at all'

  • ?

    technology_signal: 3D printing now enables high-resolution decorative pinball-adjacent items (signage); quality settings create 10+ hour print jobs with 30+ layers for fine detail

    high · Jared: '34 layers... took 10 and a half hours... I slowed down the print and increased the print quality... the top layer took two and a half hours'

  • ?

    content_signal: Hosts actively promoting multi-platform presence (Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Facebook page) with visual content updates to drive subscriber growth

    medium · Jared: 'trying again... to get Apple Podcasts... I put up a photo there... we can do that while you're having lunch'

  • ?

    community_signal: Australian pinball community demonstrates active regional meetups (Jared/Matt catchup, Jared/George lunch, Jared visiting Jim) fostering relationship-building

    high · Multiple references to recent meetups: 'had our catch-up', 'went down for lunch', 'popped over and saw a mate last night'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Home tournament between Jared and Matt played multiple machines with trophy stakes; format includes tiebreaker substitutes; competitive but friendly dynamic

    high · Tournament results: Jared won Star Wars and TMNT; Matt had comeback on Simpsons with jackpot; tiebreaker on Shadow machine

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Listener Jim actively engaged with podcast content, hosting hosts for playtime and working on LED conversion projects across collection

    medium · Jared: 'he does listen to the podcast... Thanks Jim... we played a bit of Doctor Who... his machines need a little bit of work'

    • 7:16
    So then we had a tiebreaker. The bloody substitute game. Yeah, I like that. I couldn't get the word in my head then. So we had a substitute game, which was Shadow.
    7:26
    Which is just a brutal machine, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's got to be set up 100% because otherwise those orbits, and not just yours, I've had them before, those orbits just can drain straight down the middle if they're coming that quick. So anyway, we jumped on that and somehow I won. It just happened. It did just happen. It just happened. I still look at my coffee table in the games room wishing that I could see that little trophy there. And I said to Jared, you gave it to me. And you know what exactly what it was? He said, I'd bloody never give you that fucking trophy.
    7:59
    For those listening, they'll, I did let him win. Yeah, yeah. I let him win. So then what else will we do?
    8:07
    Games room? What about your games room? You haven't heard about that for a couple of months. I haven't done anything. I've still got to measure treaties and stuff. Okay. So where are we at with council and people want to know all that? Right now, just waiting for me. I've got an extension on it. Right, okay. So the permit's been extended. And they're just waiting for me to get back with all the tree measurements and what trees they are. Okay. So where you're looking at having the shed, they want to know what trees are there. Okay. They want to know what trees are all within the shed space, how they're going to be removed. And then they also want to know what trees are 15 metres away from the shed as well. Right, okay. So even on my property, on my neighbour's property as well. Yep. Okay. So then they also want to know what all the structures on my property are. Yep. Which, obviously, there's a chicken coop, which I'll leave. There's a chicken coop, then there's a wood. That chicken coop will go, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I want to know what structures there are. Yeah, yeah. Then I've got my wood. Sorry, I thought you said which you'll leave. No, no. Well, I'll move it to the other side of the property. Yeah. Then I've got a wood lean-to, which is just a lean-to, a little shanty. Yeah. Then my other little shed, and then my property, then my house. Yeah. So my residential house. Doesn't sound like you're in any... I know you've got a bit on your plate, as you said at the start of it, But it doesn't sound like you're in any rush, mate. They've had to extend this for you, mate. That's all right. That's just pretty standard. I don't care. You're a lazy bastard. Yeah, not really. In between weather and just all the world, motivation's not really there. Well, I think we need to do a switch out of some of your machines then and pick some up that are in storage and bring them in and switch some out. I was actually thinking about playing, what was it? World Cup soccer. Yeah. Oh, I wouldn't mind playing that again. Yeah. But then anyway, what was it just last Saturday? I went to the Penguins. So just at the... Phillip Island? Yeah, Phillip Island. So it was the most shittiest, worst day of weather you could possibly have, I think. All we did was piss down. We got soaking wet. We originally went down to the... It's the chances you take, mate. What are you... Sorry about it. But the place was packed, though. Yeah, of course it would have been. And everyone was soaking wet. So we went down to the first... What's the bloody place called? The island there, there's another island there, but we went there, had some activities on there, and as soon as we wanted to start some activities, it started raining, so all the activities were cancelled. So the kids just played outside in the rain, and got soaking wet. Yep, so four hours in the rain, got wet, muddy, changed their clothes in the car, which was well thought about, and gumboots. So then we went to the penguins.
    10:30
    It was so damn busy. We had to park right at the far back. It was a pain in the arse. And then it just rained the whole time. When coming in sideways, it was just crap. And did I take anything waterproof? No. Did I take a change of clothes? No. Because I had no idea about this. And it was just hectic because we were there with other kids and parents and we're trying to watch all the kids because they all had their ponchos on. Every kid looked the same, didn't they? And you know how dark it is down there trying to walk up that full path and everyone's got their umbrellas like, where are you? It was just such a nightmare. Yeah, so. Yeah, see, looking back in time, if that was me, I probably would have deliberately lost my kids and just, oh, never mind. Off you go. A hundred percent. Knowing now what I know. I think that's about been it for my month.
    11:18
    I've been out for a few spins of Mustang, so I've been taken out for a drive. Yep. Still got to give it a polish up on the chrome, but still turns heads everywhere, mate. Everyone just goes, that thing's so loud and obnoxious. For those of you that don't know, I like collecting weird and wonderful. Toppages. In my front door entrance I've got an endoskeleton, so a full life-size screen prop of a T-800 endoskeleton. And then I've also got a life-size T-600, so from Terminator Salvation. He's huge, he's about seven foot tall. And then I've got a Predator statue as well, and then I've got my Joker statue from the Dark Knight. So he stands pretty proud, about seven foot tall as well. And then on the weekend I found a, not on the weekend but a couple weeks ago, I found a sale listing on Marketplace for animatronic, Art the Clowns from the Terrifier. And he is Terrifier. He's pretty damn cool. So he honks his horn, he moves around, he's got his tax haul there, he's got his little hat on and his sunflower glasses and he's covered in blood. So anyway, I've had him in my back room and I'm like, I really want to put it next to the TV on the other side of where my joke. And I thought, oh, I'll put him in the back room. The kids don't go down that in the house, so it should be fine. So, yeah, but it's been about three weeks since I've had two or three weeks since I've got him. The other night, the kids were playing hide and seek. Oh. Yeah, they went in there and they came out bawling their eyes and crying. It was... Did it activate or anything? No, it didn't activate. No, no, it didn't because I had... What a shame. Oh, I had the power turn, but mate, if that activated, that would have been nightmares. That would have been nightmares. But anyway, so they came running down because we were in the kitchen, so it's a fair way away. It's a good 20 metres away from the room, isn't it? Yeah.
    13:09
    Anyway, they came out crying, bawling their eyes. My daughter is four and six years old, so it must have been terrifying. It should be because it's a terrifier.
    13:19
    So anyway, so I said, come on, kids, let's go down and see him. So I got the kids there to go up and touch him and show him it's just a statue. And I was like, here comes his handoff. And then my door's like, oh, I went to the hack store. She wants a hot hack store and everything. And then I said, okay, do you want to see something cool then? So I turned him on. And then he started moving around and he's got all the slashing and terrifier music in the background and all the screams of the victims. So it's awesome. We'll put up a bit, I think. Yeah, I don't know. You can put a bit on it, can you? Pretty sure we can put one up on the page. So yeah, we'll check it up for sure. Check it up. Really great. Awesome. But that's the idea, mate. So what about your month, Mone? What have you been up to?
    14:00
    Yeah, I feel like it was a little quieter than normal this month, which is probably good. As you said at the top, we had our catch-up, which was nice, so always good to do. Which we'll do again very soon, hopefully next week or so. Yeah, well, school holidays are coming up, so yeah, definitely. If you're down for it, I'm happy for that.
    14:18
    But yeah, I've been doing a little bit of work on my Deadpool, so I just ordered a rubber kit from Pinball Life. I must admit I was a bit disappointed. I struggled to find someone in Australia that had a full rubber allotment. And by that I mean I wanted to order obviously all of the rubbers as per the manual and some of the Australian suppliers didn't have all of the rubbers. And they're just black, so just plain black ones. I'm not going any sort of Superbands or Titans or anything because as we discussed earlier, I don't do that. I only put Superbans on my flippers. Everything else I like are standard black rubbers. And I had to go offshore. I had to get it from Pimball Live, which was, like I said, a bit annoying when you try and support the local guys because they didn't want to get two or three different orders from two or three different people. Pimball Live were amazingly quick, mate. I must have ordered on the Wednesday and it was packaged and shipped and arrived on my door, I think, like five or six days later. It came on Monday or Tuesday. Like, it was super quick. So I was pretty happy with that. I actually only just started doing the rubber change yesterday. I showed the guys on the Facebook page. So if you're not part of the Facebook page, have a search for us. We've got an Oswad Facebook page. I put up a photo there of some 3D printed sort of hinges that I printed just to get the play field a little bit more level so it doesn't sit down into the cabinet. I hope you've got some of them printed for me laying around somewhere. No, but I will. The fact that you can't get your glass off your machines. I can tell you that.
    15:54
    But yeah, so they work a treat though. They're really good. But yeah, I'll throw a print on. I think they're only a 20 or 30 minute print, so we can do that while you're having lunch.
    16:05
    But yes, I started re-rubbering. It's pretty easy to do, Deadpool. You know, the plastics come off pretty easy. There's no major sort of mechs or ramps or anything in the way, which is good. And I'm a bit annoyed that the fucking manual that Stern have for the premium doesn't actually match what's on the machine. So there's two rubbers behind the dead drop targets and the pull drop targets that aren't in the manual. So, of course, I've gone ahead and ordered all these rubbers. I've got the machine, not in pieces, but, you know, I've got the Katana ramp off and the left-hand U-turn ramp, whatever it's called. So now it's unplayable. So now it's unplayable because I've got to wait for two rubbers. And I know I could put them back on, but that's not what I like to do because then I've just got to take it off again. I'll just leave it open. So that was a bit annoying, to be honest. So yeah, working a little bit on Deadpool. Had a quick catch-up with George from MPE a week or so ago. It was mainly just a bit of a catch-up. We went down for lunch, actually, at Seaford, which was nice. Where'd you go? I went to Red Gum BBQ, so they've got a pit stop place there. So, yeah, bumped into Martin, the owner there, which was nice. I hadn't seen him for a few years, so we're going to catch up with him as well. But, yeah, I mean, the barbecue is just sublime down there. You know, like a 400-gram beef rib was just amazing. Like, he's such a great cook. It's ridiculous. Mate, I'm hungry now, mate. Yeah, it's ridiculous. We could go down one day, mate. It's ridiculous. It's so good. We should or I should? No, we should, I should. That's right. Sounds good. But yeah, after that, I sort of went back to his place. I printed him off some pin cups, so we set them up finally. So I put them on his machines, which are good. So he's got four of them now. Just plain black ones? Yeah, yeah, just plain black for him. So it was just more because I think we'd been there a few times where we're like, mate, where can we go? You have to go off and put it on the pedestal somewhere away. But it's just handy to have, as we know. I had a bit of a look at hanging some of his playfields on the wall as well because he's got a couple of JJP playfields that he wants to hang up and I'm like, mate, just fucking throw them up, I'll help you. So we looked at that, we didn't do it, but we had a bit of a look. What else? I finally got, not pinball related, but I finally got my MAME arcade back up and running. I think I discussed on this podcast a year or so how I sent my machine away and it wasn't fucking repaired. I went back to it, I downloaded a new set of ROMs, downloaded new MAME, so it's running at the moment .288, and just spent a little bit of time configuring it and just getting it right. So I'm kind of happy, I've been smashing out a bit of Wonderboy on it lately.
    18:49
    Yeah, played a bit of Double Dragon, which I was like, oh my god, I forgot how to play this. Like, I finished that game, and I didn't get very far, but I was just testing it more than anything. Playboy was always a good game. Paperboy I've got to get to. I haven't found that yet. But I've been watching YouTube clips, games that define the 80s to the 90s, and I'm like, okay, I'll watch this for five minutes and see if there's games that I remember that I want to save. California games. Amazing. I think that was more sort of your Commodore PC that I played it on. I didn't play California games on arcade, but obviously Hyper Olympics I played, so track and field, Depending on where you come from. So I've got all of that. So just setting up some favourite games, making sure that they work properly. I will have a big issue, I think, with my rotary joystick for Heavy Barrel because it doesn't do it yet. So I've got to work out. I think it's just, again, main configuration settings, but I've got to work that out because Heavy Barrel is one of my all-time favourites. Really, really loved it. So, yeah, so a bit of time on that, which has been good. Like I said, ended up easier than what I thought. So I probably should have done it 12 months ago. Yep. But it's just, you know what it's like, mate. You put stuff down and it sits in front of you and you're like, ah, maybe. I think there's a store in my life, mate. I've got, yeah. I've just got shit. Yeah. It happens. It does. And then the last thing was I actually just popped over and saw a mate last night, Jim, who I hadn't seen in quite some time, to be honest. He reached out, which was nice. So he's just local as well, which is good. So 20 minutes away from me. You should have a catch up with him soon sometime. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, he does listen to the podcast. Yeah, appreciate it, so thanks Jim. Cheers Jim. But yeah, I had a bit of a play and what did we play? I played a bit of Doctor Who because I wanted to play that after Neil. You should have one that actually works. Have one that actually works. Tom Expander. Correct. I played a bit of Dracula, which, so BSD.
    20:47
    I haven't really spent that much time on that machine. Look, I played two games. It was a very nice playing machine, to be honest. That played a lot better than his Doctor Who. And he admitted last night, like, his machines need a little bit of work. Like, he's still only done leads on one machine. All the rest of them have incandescents. Yeah, well. So he's bought a stack of leads that are sitting there ready to go, which is good. And then we played Creature from the Black Lagoon. Yep, yep. Which I said to him, in a large... It's a funny game, but it's very repetitive, isn't it? It's very, very simple in regards to the rules. But I think overall it's just a fun, easy... Nice shooter. Difficult because it's got the Trudeau gap obviously. So that's always a big challenge. But I still had a lot of fun on it. And I said to him, I've thought about it a few times in getting that in the collection. And it might, maybe it would work in a larger collection. I don't know if it, as in larger, say four plus machines. Yeah, yeah. So I have eight, so it might work in an eight machine sort of lineup. What would go though? That would be the big question. A really long question. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, Deadpool would be the one that would go, but I wouldn't replace Deadpool for... Spot right there, mate. Yeah, where the dog is, yeah. She can sleep under the machine. Probably enjoy it with a warm... So yeah, so that was my month. So like I said, it was busy enough. You know, everything was spaced out pretty good, so it was enjoyable. Yeah, nice. It wasn't too bad. No 3D printing? Yeah, I've done a bit, to be honest. I did, I printed off my Ikea, I think it's a callus or whatever it is, you know, the little hook plates. Yep, yep. So I just hung up my controllers for my gaming, so my Xbox N64, PS2, PS3 controllers, mounted them to the wall. I actually just printed Earthworm Jim off not long ago, so I've got to put him all together. Cool. See how he comes out. Lots of that. Yeah. Look, I've only done sort of small bits and pieces like that, to be honest. I can't remember. But, I mean, I print almost every day. I thought you had something special for me.
    23:00
    Holy fuck. Oh, my God. Let's do this live. I completely forgot, mate. Oh, my God. No wonder you brought it up. I completely forgot about it. My apologies. I already thought about it before, anyway. So I did a little plate of metallic. That's cool. So that's not too bad. So I might do one of those as well for me. Yeah. I'll take one too. You'll take one too. So I've done that in white, but white, purple and that sort of stuff would look okay as well. Would you say purple? Yeah, yeah, purple with the, so it's got those four Metallica symbols. I wouldn't mind purple with the, um. Yeah, yeah, because it was yours, yeah. Actually, yeah, apologies, I did do a sign as well, um, which is a tampering with my pinball machine may result in an ass whooping you'll never forget, so it's a little warning sign. I'm going to do it the size a little bit larger. So it just worked it out a bit better so that white background will go and it'll just become a sign. But my apologies, mate. You did ask me some time ago you wanted a rabbit season, duck season sign as off the Warner Brothers cartoon. Yeah, 100%. I'm afraid of Daffy Duck. Daffy Duck, yeah. And as I said to you at the time, I said, I don't know how to do it. I said, if you organise the file and get it to me as opposed to just sending me a JPEG because it needed a specific file, I said, I'll print it off for you, no problems. And I'm like, I've got a lazy ass didn't do it. No, I don't even know what the heck to begin to look at. So I was mucking around with that sign on Maker World and it said you can convert JPEGs to the file that you wanted. Now, I don't remember it being there at the time, so they've obviously just updated and added more to it. And I was like, let's give it a shot, you know. So it came out, originally it came out with a bit of a border background. I'm like, I don't want that. So I had to sort of crop the image to make sure it was just the image to a point, which is hard because obviously the sign, if those that know it, is sort of a wooden type sign.
    24:55
    But yeah, I managed to do it and then I looked at it and before I show you, I just, I give you a little tip, not a little tip, an explanation of, I don't know if you know how the printer works. This is just a tip. I don't know if you know how all of this happens, but basically the program defines the object in lines and a line is basically a layer. Excuse me, not a line, so it is a layer. So there are certain layers and it builds the layers on top of each other until it gets to the end. Now, I've done prints that have had six, seven, eight hundred layers that have been maybe an hour or two. Like, as I said, I was doing a bit of Earthworm Jim. This has had 34 layers. Okay. And it took 10 and a half hours. So the reasoning behind that is because I slowed down the print and increased the print quality. So when it came to the top layer, which was 34 or 34, it took two and a half hours to do a top layer. And if you ask me, it really does show how good it's come out. So the sign is 25, about 25 centimetres by about 18 or 20 odd centimetres in size. That's exactly what it is. With that wood grain there. It's got the wood grain through it and it's got a rabbit season and duck season. That is awesome. And as I said, I wish I could do it bigger, but obviously it's dictated by the print size. That is perfect. However you decide to screw it, just be careful, drill a hole, pile it all. Yeah, pile it all very slowly. Yep. Then what I'm going to do is get a, so just for you, for everyone that knows, I'm on acreage and I've got ducks and I've got rabbits, yeah. So I've always been a big Looney Tunes fan. Which we all have, yeah. And I've always thought to myself, I really need a rabbit season, duck season sign that I can just spin. So I've got this big straight gum tree in my backyard. So I'm just going to drill a little hole into this sign and put like a little PVC or something. Yeah, it's from sprinkler systems. Yep. So they're really thin stuff. Yep. So say an inch long and just screw that into there, onto the back, into the tree and then I can just go spin it.
    27:07
    I'll put it up on the Facebook page but as I said, as it was coming out, I mean I was... Yeah, I'm wrapped up. I'm really impressed that you can sort of see that wood grain in with a bit of blacking and stuff and it's just... That's what I wanted. You know, even the edging and everything, man. Is that UV resistant by any chance or... Ah, it doesn't matter mate, for fucking $5 I'll print you another one. I don't know. I wouldn't have PLA'd. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I'm sure it'll last a long time. Yeah. So, definitely. That is going to go up either tonight or as soon as I get out of the backyard. Yeah. So, there you go. So, yeah. So, a little bit of printing. So, we'll throw them up on the page so people can have a bit of a look at it and see what we're talking about. Yep. Textical. Yeah, like I said, two and a half hours that last layer took. It was ridiculous. You know actually how I made that sign. I made that with AI. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, because otherwise I had to do a few bits of editing with it because otherwise it had a tree there and showed all this other crap on there. Yeah, just give me the sign. Well, we may as well just launch straight into the interview with Juz, as we said at the top of the podcast. So enjoy. This is Justin from TazPin talking all things TazPin and how it all came about. So what's going on today? We've got a special guest caller, haven't we? We do. Justin from Taspin who's joined us to have a bit of a chat about probably all things Taspin, all things Tasmania, all things Justin and what he's been up to this month. What do you think general? So Juz, welcome to the Pinball Inc.
    28:36
    Hey boys, thanks so much for having us. That's amazing. Thank you. Wow, we're getting overloaded with pinball and it's nearly time for Tasmania's biggest pinball event. Agreed, agreed. Before we get into Taz Pinn, mate, give us a bit of a background for those listening that may or may not know who you are. How did you get into Pinball? Give us a little bit of a story in 20 seconds.
    29:02
    Pinball, Pinball, I got into Pinball. It happened when I was 12 years old. I was walking through town with my mum and I heard these amazing sounds and I stopped like a dog on a lead and I looked into this building and I was mesmerised by the sounds and the lights that I could see. Mum said, don't you ever go in there.
    29:21
    Those things are addictive. Look, and as the word goes, you know, you grow up and you get your families and stuff. And I happened to be at a client's place one day and I was in the garage and I saw his pinball machines and I was just mesmerised by it. I went, wow, this is my childhood dream. Look, we turned one on and that was it. 20 pinballs later. Yeah, no, just a couple, weren't it? Just a couple. Just one or two, matey, just one or two. I've moved a few on. What was the first one that you turned on and played then when you walked into this guy's place? What was your first machine? It was a Fishtails. It was nice. And he had a firepower as well, so the sounds brought back all that beautiful nostalgia from your childhood and your teenage years, going to the local milk bar and playing the machines there on rotation. Yep And then you fast forward to now you said you got 12 machines Do you want to give us a rundown of what you got and what the set looks like and who you catch up with to play them and that sort of stuff Yeah, sure. Look, I've got everything from 1932 Woodrails, all the EMs from the 60s and 70s, not all of them, but a couple. How do you play rails, Jers? How do you plan them? Like, are they good to play those wood rails? Do you give them a real good turn compared to Deadpools and later? Look, I don't, but it's an amazing collector's place. Yeah.
    30:54
    That's where the game started, that's where it came from, and that's what's brought us from this modern world now. So would you say every collection should have something like that as a bit of a history and a talking piece to get a feel for what it was like, you know, back in the day? You don't see many of them about. I was just fortunate that once again one of my clients said to us, I asked him one day, what are you doing for the weekend? And he said, I'm playing some pinball. And I said, you don't have a pinball. He opened up the garage and right at the back was this tiny little old 1932 wood rail. Yeah, right. And I just took my head and I went, wow. And he said, oh, I don't use it that much. Do you want to buy it?
    31:39
    And I think I picked it up down here in Tasmania for $600. Yeah. And what machine is it? It's called Contacts. Harry Williams' first ever pinball machine. Very cool. Yeah. He's very first one, so that was a nostalgic buy to me as well. Yep. From that point of view. Yep.
    32:01
    Look, and I've got a lot of 80s machines. I love my white body 80 machines. Yep. Love it. Space Invaders, love it. Space Invaders, Paragon, Stellar Wars, Spider-Man.
    32:15
    Those type of eras. I've got a Firepower. Yeah. Yeah, Zachariah. Yeah, um, Fyre Feller, that's a beautiful game. Yeah, I played that bloody last night, you wouldn't believe it, would you? Oh, really? That's very canny. Yeah, I know, I spent a mate's place and had a bit of a bash on it and, um, yeah, played really nice. Gee, those flippers for the outlanes, a bit tricky to master. That's one where they come back up, aren't you? Yeah, you can use the flipper that pushes it back up the outlanes. It's not an easy thing to get a hang of, put it that way. I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, I've struggled. Good start.
    32:56
    And then I've got a Metallica, Remastered. Yep. You know, so I cover a lot of bases there. I sort of got right heavily involved into the scene when I met my best mate. Shout out to Frank Holtenagle.
    33:17
    Him and I were competing with each other at a major auction. It was a massive warehouse full of pinball machines. The owner decided it was time to move on and retire.
    33:31
    Frank and I... Sorry, Jase, that wasn't Mr Boot, was it? Because he was down there, was it? It was. There you go. It was Andy's dad. Dad, yeah. Yeah, Erwin Boot. And we got some amazing, beautiful collection machines out of that.
    33:46
    And we fully restored them all. Yep. So I met Frank down there and we looked at each other squaring off over the auction table. And at the end of the auction I looked at him and I said, want to get a beer? We went over the road and we had a beer and our love of pinball both matched and we took it from there. Yeah. Him and I were one of the only sort of two major people we knew at the time and we then found another couple of awesome men here in Launceston. Shout out to Simon Spencer, Steve Americanos and two became four and then four became six here in Launceston. Keein, plus we've got a couple of other fellas, we've got Brett Elliott, Al Cutler, Simon Spencer, Nick Fisher. Yep, these are the women though aren't they because they're not complete. Brett's the only guy who doesn't live here, but Brett was amazing and welcomed us to Pintest with open arms and we created a bond and a friendship.
    34:58
    We treat him just like one of our brothers. And let's be honest, it's pretty easy to do. We caught up with him in Taspin last year. One of the first people we met, actually, at the bar. Yep, yep. Amazing, beautiful-hearted person. Yeah.
    35:13
    He's in his funny beer. So as these numbers grew, is that how Mafia became the Taspin Mafia? Yeah. We became the mafia because we were just a selected group. Yep.
    35:31
    Tasking evolved out of the mafia. Yep. We had all these machines and we knew roughly about 20 other people in Tasmania who had machines. Yep. And we came up with the idea that we should put a show on.
    35:47
    Just to give people an experience they normally wouldn't receive, you know, young and old. Put something different on. Is there anything in Tasmania like this or has ever been like Taspin? I don't recall in my time certainly hearing of any sort of expo style that have been put on down your way. Never. We're the first. Yep. So you broke the ground, so to speak. Look, and a quick shout out to the Pingfest organisation crew up there. Those guys were amazing. I'll never forget the first time the mafia turned up to Pinfest, the organisers just looked us at us and went, what have we got here?
    36:33
    The second we went back, we paid a lot of attention to how they did to us and rang and were so blown away by what they did. When we came back here to Tasmania, we ran the chat and said, we can do something like that. We wanted to be able to follow their rough concept and make them proud at the same time.
    36:53
    I think we've smashed all that. So how many years now has Pin, this is the third year, is that right? No, this is the fifth year. Fifth year. Wow, okay. Fifth year, all right. So it was seven years ago that you went to PIN Fest then and you saw the first two and then were like, Correct. Let's do this and give it a bit of a shot. Yep. Yeah.
    37:18
    So why don't you tell us a little bit about it? That'd be a good timeline. Yeah. Okay, so why don't you give us a little bit of a history and a background about TazPin, mate. Like, obviously, you know, me and Matty clearly know that it's set up mainly as a sort of a collector style, you know, bring your own machine. AMD obviously represent as well up there. But, you know, why don't you start at the roots, mate. Let us know how it sort of got together and, you know, the thought process behind which direction you wanted to take it. And then I'm sure we'll get to the success of what it is today based off the donations that you've given to the local community.
    38:01
    When we said let's do something, what we did was we rang everybody in Tasmania that we knew who had a pinball machine.
    38:09
    And we came up with 20 people and went to a little, just a little club, just a little hall. Yep. So, at the Italian club there in Prospects. And our first year, I think we got 50 machines bumped in from 26 people. I was going to say, out of 20 odd people, let's be honest, mate, that's not too bad. Two per person, basically.
    38:34
    We moved a lot of machines. A lot. Yeah, but dollars, I'm presuming, or did you have people there that would help move? Like, you know, obviously we've got guys like Shannon and those guys running around up here. Do you have anyone like that or was it just you boys? We did it. We did it and it was just everybody turn up in their utes and cars. Yeah, brilliant. And bump it in as best you can while winging it going, it'll be fine. And I think people don't realise, but there's a lot to it, you know, because obviously you've got electricity and power and, you know, obviously any OH&S issues that you may or may not have. Does everything need to be tested and tagged as well before it's turned on?
    39:15
    Everything's tested and tagged. That's why we bumped in the day before. Of course. Yeah. Just, you know, it's a public event. You've got public liability insurance, so you've got to keep it all above board.
    39:28
    Back to the original toast, Tim. At the end of it, the mafia boys, we all sat down and just went, we can never do that again. The workload, we were physically exhausted. We moved so many machines. I think we moved over 20 machines in one day just with us guys. But what happened was the event was so successful and we were approached to do it again the next year. That year, to start actually Tazpin, really big footnote, There were six of us at the time.
    40:08
    We all put $1,000 out of our own pocket each just to get it up and running. I think we opened the doors with $20 left in the bank. Yeah, wow. But we had no infrastructure. We had no leads. We had nothing.
    40:25
    So by the time we opened it up, we had... I can't actually remember how many people we had the first year. Over 350. Yep. And we went away from it and a couple of people came out of the woodwork and said, oh, look, I might contribute next year. I'm allowed to contribute. And we figured that that was going to shorten our workload down. So I think we went from 22 or 26 contributors through to 36 the next year. Yeah. And we filled the room up. We filled the event and we were right on the limit with power. We had nothing left in the tank. We couldn't fit any more machines in. We had no power left and we were filling the rooms up. And we sold out our show before it even opened. Just to quickly interrupt, mate, whereabouts did you advertise? Because obviously, like, I pleaded ignorance when you said the fifth year. Like, I'm a bit lost with the first two. So where did you send it to? Obviously there's forums, Australian forums. Were you guys on Facebook and that sort of stuff as well? We did a little bit of Facebook. What we did was Launceston being a small place. You know a lot of people.
    41:47
    I happen to know the general manager at the time of 7 Tasmania. I was having a chat with him about it and he said, Would you like us to sponsor you to kick you off? And they came on board and ran a fully produced television ad for us for the month on all the stations down here in Tasmania. Nice.
    42:12
    So we actually have our new ad starts again mid-next week. Okay. They support us every year with a $10,000 ad campaign package. Wow, fantastic, mate. Every year they were just absolutely gobsmacked that A, six blacks can do this, B, what we were putting on and C, what the end goal was, which was to raise money for charity, for kids' charity. Yeah, nice work. I think we ended up with one more year at the Italian Club and then we were done. It was too big. I had a guy coming up at the Italian Club and he said, oh, excuse me, are you the general? And I looked at him and I said, yes.
    43:03
    He said, oh, do you want to have a quick chat, mate? And I looked at him and I said, I really don't have time for a quick chat.
    43:10
    And he said, I'm from the casino. I said, do you want a beer? We'd outgrown the Italian club. Everything was, it was, we was busting at the seams and the casino, the country club could actually tell the value in what we were doing. Yep. And hence we changed venues. I asked, have they ever had any other quirky events on there? Yeah. And the banquets manager turned around and said, I've been here for 25 years. And the best we've ever had is a ping pong table tournament.
    43:48
    I walked away, I sort of put my chest out, had a little bit of spring and kept on going, going, okay, I think we smashed that out of the park. Yeah. So how did it go first year getting it all set up in the new venue? And tell us a little bit about that. But it went really well, went nice and smooth. It was our first year. It's really like a campground, you know. It was our first time going there. We really didn't know how we were going to go with any of it, i.e. layout, power consumption, doorways. Really no idea whatsoever. However, but everything went really smoothly.
    44:29
    I couldn't have asked for a better turnout. We had over 900 people last year. Yeah, it was pretty big, wasn't it? It was amazing. So, look, and there hasn't been anything like this in Tasmania ever before. I feel like Taz Pin has put pinball on the map. We started Taz Pin with five goals, and that was to give people young and old an experience I mean, say, not wouldn't normally get.
    44:58
    To bring the Tasmanian pinball community together, to be able to give back to the community in some way, shape or form, and to build the biggest pinball arcade Tasmanians ever seen.
    45:11
    And look, we did that all in our first year. I was going to say, I reckon you've achieved all three pretty quickly. I mean, if in all honesty, too, Jers, and obviously we chat a little bit and know each other quite well, But I would have to say that the thought process in wanting to give back to the community, the way you set it up, shouldn't go unnoticed. Like, as a bunch of guys to sit down at a round table and go, you know what, any money we make, we're going to give this away, I think should be commended and screamed from the rooftops. I think that not only shows the thought process but the kind of guys that are lurking down in Stern Pinball and the kind of guys you and Frank, the boys are. You really should be commenced. And I hope people give you that honest credit, mate, because I think it's a wonderful thing. What's amazing is we get to see Endgame. Our charity every year is the 4K Children's Ward Auxiliary. Now the auxiliary is a bunch of old ladies, lovely ladies, amazing, and they work closely to make a hospital feel like a home for the children. They're not for profit, and we're more than happy to give them our money based on that. The little PDF you gave me, which is worth reading out, is through fundraising donations and community support, the auxiliary helps provide equipment, resources, activities and services that improve the patient and family experience, often funding items and initiatives that may fall outside standard health department budgets. Their efforts contribute to creating a more welcoming, supportive and child-friendly environment, helping young patients and their families navigate challenging times with greater comfort and care. So definitely if anyone's listening, follow them on Facebook, it's the Children's Warms at New England's General Hospital. So you guys get into that is certainly very worthwhile. Well worthwhile. Worthwhile. Yeah. Sheldon, you've got to without a doubt. It's had follow-on effects from there too that no one else knows about. Due to the fact that we put the money, there was other local businesses that now donate as well to them. So since the events' inception, the Tassie Pimball Mafia, which is yourself, Frank, and the boys, as you mentioned earlier, We have donated over $40,000 to the auxiliary. Correct. I mean, that's just huge, man. It's only five years, mate. And I think you said in the last three, you've probably donated probably, what, two-thirds of that amount, which shows the growth of the expo. I think the first year we donated $2,500. The second year we donated $4,000. Yeah. I think the next year was $8,000. Just gets growing. So then it was $12,500 and last year was nearly $20,000. Mate, it's amazing. That's really well done. So congrats to you and the boys there. Thanks guys. Yeah, no, well, it's amazing to see your efforts. You can see him going with it. So that's what makes the event unique. Yeah, I bet. So this one coming up where obviously me and Matt are going to be there, so that's this year. This year, so Saturday 1st and Sunday 2nd of all, again at the Country Club Tasmania. So we've got some session times being Saturday, you've got the morning and afternoon sessions. So you do close between the sessions. So morning starts 9.30 to 1 and then 5.30. There's a VIP as well at 6.30 till late, which is just contributor. So that'll be nice. I think I'll actually spend a little bit more time maybe playing machines. Time right now? We did a lot of chatting. Yeah, I think I miss a little bit of game time. And then Sunday is a super session. You're all day at 10 till 3. Tickets, I must admit, made a pretty cheap at $30 single entry and $75 for family, which is two adults and two children under 16. Make sure you get tickets at www.tasman.org. Oh, great job.
    49:14
    You made it a ticket price. The ticket price. Look, everyone's hurting. No one wants to spend an absolute fortune. The money goes directly to the charity and $30 for three and a half hours entertainment. Yep. I mean, you've got to draw a raffle this year for a machine. What machine is it, mate? Big shout out to A&D.
    49:36
    Gets the business idea to Michael and they absolutely loved it. We have a Pokemon Dreamium, which will be on the floor.
    49:47
    We'll be unboxing it and setting it up. Yep. And it'll be available to play. That's why I take it out, because I'm in it to win it.
    49:54
    And look, we're going to raffle it off. It's only 250 tickets, so the chances are good that the tickets are a little bit expensive. It's $100 per ticket. That's not expensive. I wouldn't call that expensive, mate. $100 to win a $16,000 machine? That ain't expensive, buddy. I think it'll be better at the casino table.
    50:13
    Although we did all right. Last year at the casino, I taxed it. I'm pretty sure I won $800,000 as a successful team. I'm pretty sure Frank hit and run as well.
    50:26
    And only Frank is considering. As Annie Burt. I'm a best mate Burt, Annie, we could do that. That's true. So yeah, so that's the premium machine. So that's new in box, I'm presuming, is it? New in box, yes, sure. Like I said, it will be set up for the touchscreen. Yep. People will play it. I'd expect it to have less than 400 games on it. That'll be available to whoever wins that. We're hoping to sell all the tickets, so we can draw that on the Sunday afternoon at the casino, and we actually have one of the licensing guys overseeing it to make sure it's all above board. Yep. What happens if you don't sell all the tickets?
    51:08
    Sorry, say that again. What happens if you don't sell all the tickets? Okay. On the terms and conditions of the tickets, we actually stipulated that it will be drawn once all tickets are sold. If all tickets aren't sold, there's a date on the conditions, it will be drawn then. So regardless of whether we do or we don't sell out, the raffle will be drawn. Yeah, I think you'll sell them, Jers, especially when the event starts, like people walking in Saturday. You've got someone there Saturday and Sunday at the door saying, hey, we're giving away a, you know, a Pinball machine for our own.
    51:45
    All those tickets make no problems. Especially with, I don't know much of going to as well. Yeah. And you've got to remember as well that we've got the television ad starting next week. Yeah, that's it. So they'll have you following that as well, obviously. It does. Yeah, it does. Perfect. We're really blessed like that. The local businesses here in Launceston, Tasmania just come on board and support us.
    52:08
    A&D support us every year. Every year. Amazing support. And obviously you're mainly sort of geared towards contributors, so you rely pretty heavily on the local PIN guys coming and bringing machines and setting them up and making sure that they're running smoothly. Yeah.
    52:28
    I think this year... You're speaking about 80 machines, aren't you? We are. I think we're sitting at about 56 contributors. Oh, yeah. That's cool, aren't we? That's a lot of people, you know, that's people who are taking time off work, live all around the state, packing their stuff up, bringing it all the way to Launceston, putting it on for a show for everyone to put their grubby hands all over, which can be hard for some people, Jers. It's like not everyone wants the general public slamming away on their machines. No, not really, matey, but what we do is we, when we set the layout out, we make sure that no one can get up beside them. We do a couple of star configurations for the high-end games, and we rope those off so that people can't get up the sides of them and rub them with their belt buckles and handbags. We're still going to remember that when you do an event like this, you're dictated by power. Yeah.
    53:25
    The PowerPoints are only in X amount of spots and you can't have leads running everywhere because you just can't. That's how that goes. Yeah, nice. So when are you sort of gearing up to get all this organised? I mean, obviously August, we're almost end of June now, so you're only a month away basically. Yeah. How do you go sort of setting up and getting stuff organised? Are boys starting to collate machines into a certain area so that you can just go from one space straight into the Country Club? Or what's the process? We've been really lucky this year. Country Club have offered us the room for five days. Oh, wow. Fantastic. I don't get it, but I'm so quick. So instead of trying to bump everything in on a Friday afternoon, we've now got Thursday and Monday to bump back out as well. Mate, you should have told us we could have come a day earlier. We're coming down on the 31st. I've got plenty of jobs for you, boys.
    54:21
    That's what we made. We could have come on the sky. I'll bring my overalls and my work boots and my safest hat and my yellow vest and I'll be there.
    54:33
    I just hope everyone comes and has fun, mate, because that's what pinball's about. Pinball should be about fun. Yeah, well, I mean, as I said, me and Matty were there last year. We did some wicked string riding, didn't we? Yes, we did. It was a great event, to be honest. I mean, I've only just stopped going to these expos in the last sort of couple of years, so I think the way it's set up, the ease to get into, certainly the amenities, obviously, that the casino offers with all the food and everything. Yeah, it's like a Lisa venue. Three different bars, three different restaurants, plenty of parking, all undercover, nice and warm. And heaps of accommodation. Not only do they have the country club accommodation, but they've got the little villas that are down the road. I think they're only a couple of hundred metres, not a couple of k. Yeah, just don't follow Jared. Don't follow Jared. And watch out for the deers.
    55:27
    But yeah, it is. It's an awesome venue. Anyway, and in all honesty, mate, it's obviously a credit to you and Frank and the boys for the hard work and the organising that you do to go from what sounds like a smaller sort of, you know, shop or a club to, you know, a large country club like this that wants you there. It's not a matter of you approach them saying, hey, we've outgrown it. They approach you, which is... They want you there. Yeah. So I think that shows what you're doing there and, you know, all credit should be given. And also there's the discount accommodation for Taspin, T-A-Z-P-I-N.org. The Mafia, look, it was six blokes who'd come together with a love of pinball who then became a brotherhood to them once a year event organisers and we all bring something to the table. Yep.
    56:33
    Simon, Brett, Al, Stephen, Ben, Nick, Frank, myself. Everyone knows Frank and Justin because Frank and Justin are the two loudest you'll ever meet. There's those other guys beyond the scenes who are a little bit quieter than us and are happy to push us to the front.
    56:53
    But without all of us, it would never get off the ground. Never. So how long does the preparation for this take? Is that a year-long tour process?
    57:02
    Five months. You've done enough times that it's now pretty smooth. Well, the time we finish with Tastin, we get everything sort of collated, all the money in the bank and organise the media for a check presentation. We then just stop, as in stop, turn off on it. Yeah, yeah. And we start up again in February. So it takes about eight months. Okay. But you've got to stop and have a break, otherwise you're just going to do it all year round and it burns you out. You know, 56 contributors, that's 56 people you've got to ring, sort out. Make sure they're coming. The venues, Tame Are High with leads, budget with trucks, foot and place gear for the posters, seven Tasmania, that's what they're at, TV clothing, AMD, Metro City looks after us. Yeah.
    57:54
    Amazing support. A lot of logistics that people don't see. All the Facebook. It's like running out of business, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, and that's exactly how we treat it too, we treat it like a business. No, it's a fun hobby and all the rest, but as far as finances, not our money, you know, it's not our money. It's everyone who attends money. Just what we've done, over $40,000, I'm still blown away every year. I can't believe that just a hobby from playing pinball can turn into a mass event. We always pick an independent judge every year as well for the contributors. It goes around, we've got about, I think, four or five awards every year for the best DM, best solid state, best DND, best LCD. I see every year, Nino from Ride the Barney Beast, he supports us with that and provides some nice little vouchers for the winners for you through him. A lot of people come together for it, just so many people. Well, you two guys, you know, you've taken time out just to talk about it, so thank you. Pleasure, mate. All good. It's been nice, mate. I appreciate the chat as always. I appreciate you coming on. Is there any sort of final words you want to throw out there to anybody listening in with regards to either Taspin or the mafia? What do I say? I can say millions of things. Thanks to me brothers. That's how we treat each other. We're like brothers.
    59:26
    Thanks to all the community to get behind us. Thanks for believing in our dreams. Simple as that. Thanks for believing in us. If you don't already follow Taspin on Facebook, make sure you join the page, get on board, and if you don't have tickets to Taspin, get your body tickets now and book your accommodation and go have a awesome weekend. Jones, mate, it's always nice to chat. This has been a little bit more formal than normal, which is good, though. I've enjoyed it, mate. So good luck moving forward, and I can't wait to see you, to be honest, mate.
    59:59
    Sensational, man. Look forward to having a beer, and keep flipping. Thank you, mate. Enjoy the rest of your day, yeah? Thank you so much. Pleasure. Take care, buddy. Thanks, buddy. Bye. Ciao, ciao. So I hope everyone enjoyed that. It was a good chat, man. I enjoyed it. We had a little chat afterwards as well, but... Can't wait to catch up with the boys. Yeah. Four weeks time. Yeah. Damn, that's close, isn't it? That was four weeks, mate. Yeah, that is close. Looking forward to it. That'll be nice. Oh, my world famous Pimball cross watch. That's it.
    60:30
    Now we're going to find a history recovery. Race and sell. That's just like... Piece of junk You a pillion man Buy that for a pack of horse in a museum I going to make him an awfully camera few You want to to lead off as normal or you want me to what have you seen so far Give us a little rundown, how do you feel the market still is at the moment? At the moment I have not really followed the market much this month. My month has not really been super focused. I've been seeing stuff, but have I really taken too much note or mental?
    60:59
    Not really. I feel the market still is hovering at the same sort of thing. I don't believe anything's really jumped to drop out. There's been some interesting ones that I've seen, which again just I think goes to show the market has certainly declined somewhat. Just this month you think? It's declined you reckon? Oh, as in, no, over the last few months the market has declined comparable to what we've seen in previous years. It may still be just settling where it's at. I don't know if it's dipped anymore, to be honest, but it's hard to know because some of the machines that were always coming up aren't coming up at the moment. Like your Godzilla's, your Foo Fighters, your Guns and Roses and that sort of stuff. So they've abated and slowed down a little bit, so I guess we're just trying to gauge off what machines we do see. I mean, the interesting one was a Dungeons and Dragons premium at 12.5. Well, that came down there, didn't it? Yep, so that's again showing that, and that's a new release machine, that's only last year from memory I think. Almost my buy. Yeah, so that's come down 12.5 for a premium, so I think the Stern premiums are still in and around that 11.5 to 12.5.
    62:16
    I've seen, I know there's a Jaws at 15. Too much. All due respect, he needs, not he needs, I'll take that back. If he wants to meet a mark, it needs to be about the 12 grand mark. Yeah, maybe even $13.5 for Jaws because of the quality of what everyone talks about with the machine. But for $500 more, I only spoke to Rowan. Rowan's like, oh, I'm keen. I'm like, mate, for $500 more, you're buying your inbox. Yeah. Oh, that's exactly right. Oh, cool. You know, you're not going to worry about that for $15. No. There was a Champion Pub that I saw at $9. So I thought that was, I mean, they were $12, $13. Was that Oscars one? No, no, I think this was a different one. Okay. So I thought that wasn't too bad. I should have bought that one for 5.7 back in the day. Back in the day, yes. Street Fighter 2 at 5.2, so that's hovering around, I think we discussed around that 4.5, 5.5 mark. That's where I saw my one. And that is dropping, still overpriced at 5.2. Walking Dead at 95. That's for the Pro, wasn't it? That was for the Pro, and Foo Fighters Pro at 9. So again, new machine, great value. Yep, so I think the pros now have settled to where they should be at around that. I mean, pros are still, what, $10.500, so it's probably not too bad, $1,500, I suppose. But if you put it in relation to maybe the... I think $10.500, I thought they were $11.000. Are they? They're more $11.900? Sorry? $11.900 or something. Yeah, okay, okay. I mean, I would still say $9.000, it's pretty good value. There was a Freddy, so the old data, East Freddy at $5.000. Gottlieb, is it? Yeah. Still a piece of shit. At 5K, I mean, they were 9-something, you know, bizarrely. And there was a volley. Now, the only reason I put in the volleys, which is an EM, so it's got the reels, at 28. Now, I remember the volleys used to be, and for some reason there was a spate where they were so sought after that they were fetching sixes and sevens. And I'm like, what is going on with the world? So at $2,800, I thought that was a pretty good pricing too based off where they have been. So I'd say overall the market is still, it's not settling, I think it's settled a little bit then and now, but there still feels like there's a huge influx of machines. I think we are flooded at the moment and with new machines constantly being released, there's more and more that keep coming on in the market. I don't know if we brought up, was it last month, there was a $10,000 Star Trek premium? I don't know if we were. Yeah, I think we chatted about that briefly, yeah. That's pretty good. Yeah, getting at it. I mean, that's a 10, when was that, 2013 something release now though, so it's getting on. Yeah, yeah. That type of machine has to compete with Godzilla, E2 fighters and those, so that's probably why that's going down in price as well. Yeah, but otherwise, wouldn't I have, I had a couple good buys, I think. I had one Best Buy. Best Buy, yeah. So I reckon Best Buy was the Caveman for 2100. Yeah, I know, I didn't see that actually. So, you know that machine which has got the... I know the Caveman, it's got that weird sort of back box on it. Yeah, so that's not a bad machine. It said it works, but still a bit of a project. Yeah. It's pretty good. And also a Bally April 3.8. Yep. $3,800, so they'll fetch the five price, mate. Yeah, but I think, I mean, yeah, I don't know if it's a best, I shouldn't say that in relation to that. It's a good price, comparable to where they were, but yeah, I mean. My best five was a two, yeah. Well, I had a last action hero at $1,600. I couldn't see that, that's definitely his best buy, 100%. Yeah, go and have a look, it's on Facebook at the moment for $5,400. Is it real? Yeah, he didn't take long in flipping that apparently, so yeah, $1,600. I actually messaged the guy. So someone bought and they flipped them, did they? Looks like it, yeah. Who's that, do you know? I'd have to go back and have a look, I'm not sure. I messaged him just to help out a mate. Rowan was in on it as well and I said, I'll let me message him. So I messaged him and he goes, oh, I'm in talks. And I said, mate, what's to talk about? Give me your dress, I'll come and pick it up. Like, there's nothing to talk about. It's $1,600, I'm just buying it, thanks. So yes, that was my best buy on that, which then leads me into the world famous what the fuck. That's it. Now, Matty, I think whatever was in the water last month has just multiplied and it is still, something's going on where there's still a lot of what the fucks. Yep. I've got a few, mate. I've got a few. In no particular order, maybe lowest to highest, let's start off with a South Park at $9,900. Now, I'm sorry Smith Pinball, this is you guys and I love you dearly, you're both very nice people, you're doing great things for the community and enjoying your time in the hobby, but I can tell you right now at $9,900, what the fuck is going on with the South Park at that sort of cost? It's a four and a half, five grand machine at best. And I understand there's been some work going into that, but that's what we call overcapitalizing on a South Park. No thanks. I also saw a Tommy Dardareast at $13,500.
    67:50
    Like that's, again, that's a four and a half, $5,000 machine. And I've seen it advertised at that. So you also get a what the fuck.
    68:01
    Then we had a Sting, which is a Star Trek Next Generation, I think is the guy in Queensland, in Sunshine Coast.
    68:13
    He's got that advertised at $18,800. I mean, what the fuck? Overcapitalised, that's all it is. Another one that's overcapitalised. It might be beautiful, it might be great, but who on earth is going to buy that when you can buy it? No one. They're a $9,000-something machine these days. And if you want to spend that money to do it up, you've got to keep it. You've got to keep it. Or just advertise it for what market value is, you know? That's just silly money. I don't know what's going on there. There was also a Data East Guns N' Roses for $20,000. That's a bargain of the century. Now, this dude is cooked. You are cooked, mate. One line description, perfect working order. And he's turned off the lights in his house, closed the flash and taken photos in the dark with the glass on and the lights of the machine on. Now, you know, his explanation, oh, there's not many for sale. I don't give a fuck if yours is the only one for sale. You still have to have market price on it. The last one that sold in an instant was $8.9.
    69:29
    A few have been listed around $12 and $10-ish. So to list at $20, sorry, mate, what the fuck is going on with that? And if someone gave me the advice to list it for that, then I'll smoke up your ass, I'm sorry. Yep. Yeah, 100% they are. 100%. And the final one, and, you know, these last three have all been in Brisbane, in Queensland, so maybe something's going on up there that we don't know about. They're on chipset. But this is a Wizard of Oz Yellow Brick Road for $25,000. Tristan, what the fuck, man? What is going on with that? No one's spending 25 grand on a Yellow Brick Road. I mean, I know Waz, their first machine, is a beautifully designed machine. The yellow brick roads, granted, were very nice. Granted, not many came in the country. Doesn't mean it's worth that value. You know, I think there's a Waz sitting on our page for 14, I think, at the moment that's not sold. And that was dropped recently from about 15. So you're a minimum 10 grand over. And just because not many came into the country doesn't dictate that the price should be higher than a standard was because there's nothing different gameplay. No, you just lose features. You lose the monkey, don't you? Yeah, that's exactly right. So you're losing the monkey mech for $10,000 more than what you could buy current was for. So, as I said, I don't get what's going on at the moment. There's definitely something in the water these last two months. I'll revisit some of these in the coming months and see if they've sold or if they've just disappeared. They've listened to this and they've taken them down. Maybe, but that's my what the fucks for the month. Nice work.
    71:17
    Now, we had as well a little bit of the top, as part of the price segment discussion, we've sort of introduced these the last few months as just having a brief chat about some pricing and what we're seeing in the industry. But this, I just wanted to touch on sort of competition as well. And, you know, do we need more competition in the marketplace when it comes to those that are selling the new inboxes from the major manufacturers? You know, Jersey Jack and, you know, Barrels of Fun and AMD and Stern, you know, and Spooky and all these guys. Because predominantly, and look, Spooky is probably a little bit different because you can order direct from them. But I know Mark handles the Australian imports and he's just, that's it, purely, I think he just handles the Australian imports.
    72:06
    I don't know if you can buy direct from him. I think you still buy from Spooky, don't you? I'm not too sure. I don't know how that works, yeah. Okay, I might have to have a catch up and a chat with him next time we see him at Expo and ask the question. But for many years, mate, who have been the people that have brought in the machines? There's only been two companies, hasn't there? AMD for Stern and Mr. Pinball for everything else. Pretty much, isn't it? Yeah. Obviously, recently we've seen Paul from Australian Pinball Sales has brought in JJP, so Wayne lost that distribution agreement. Yep. And now Paul brings them in. So that's, again, it's still not competition, though. No one else brings in JJPs. So I just wonder where the landscape is. I mean, what do people out there think of this topic? As in, do we feel like there should be people that maybe are taking these on? Yeah. You know, I mean, doubtful it'll happen with Stern because of the relationship that I think AMD have with Stern. But we've seen recently Melbourne Pinball Expo and now, which I didn't realise, also Bike City Warehouse have distribution. Of Pedretti Gaming. I know George has brought in, who did Predator? Pimball Brothers. So I just, you know, and we've seen the pricing change from that. Like originally, you know, Mr. Pimball had his pricing at $20,000 and as soon as there was competition, you know, and George announced his pricing, especially recently of the Toten remake of $16,900 for the top end model. Well, straight away we've seen Wayne come into line with that, which is very interesting because he's always been at that $20,000 mark. So that makes you wonder, has he either negotiated better pricing, is shipping become cheaper for him, has he cut his profit margin? How that equates in an overall picture is very interesting in my opinion that there was that four grand or so difference between what we now see compared to what we used to see. Yeah, that's right. Unfortunately, Bike City has kept his prices at 20, so I don't think he's going to have much chance up there unless he's just got customers that are not shopping around and don't do it. So, yeah, at the moment we're seeing a couple extras. Do we need to see more? Yes, look, more competition is better for the market, just in general. It'll hopefully bring prices down or into a line where they actually should be properly, you know, without massive profits being held. Yeah. So I'd say, yeah, more competition is better. Yeah, well, I think we've already seen with the two guys that are bringing it in, you know, the pricing is there. So the pricing can come down. And this is just new in box, obviously, so we're not talking secondhand or anything. But, yeah, I'd be interested to see more people come into the market. As I said, Stern would be a really, really interesting one if someone else could get in Stern's pocket and start bringing those in. That would be very interesting. Yeah, I just wonder whether or not, you know, we would benefit, the community would benefit by more people because it's an interesting, to me, it's an interesting topic because, you know, name any other industries that just have a monopoly. Yeah.
    75:28
    There's none really, is there? Is there? Like, can you think of any? Phones, there's not. Water bottles. No. You know. Microphones. Yeah, correct. You know, there's everybody out there has a competitor in that same space generally. So it's interesting that this hobby doesn't. You know, and I remember a few years back there was a grain importer of Stern and he was selling them a lot cheaper than what AMD were. I don't think he lasted too long. And how he was doing it, I think he was just a personal buyer importing them directly through Stern. How long was this? Oh, wow. This is real early days, 15 plus years maybe now. I'm sure I've heard about it, yeah. Yeah.
    76:15
    And yeah, as I said, he was squashed pretty quickly. I don't even remember who it was or where he was. I think it was in Queensland maybe somewhere, I'm not sure. But yeah, that would be an interesting one just to have extra competition to drive just to see the pricing. Because the second-hand market's gone down. Why haven't New Inbox gone down? It just doesn't make sense.
    76:38
    I know the manufacturers haven't changed their pricing, but the dollar fluctuates. I always remember having discussions, you know, the dollar's pretty low at the moment, so the price has to go up. Well, the dollar's pretty high at the moment, and the price hasn't come down, has it? Anyway, like I said, I just thought that was interesting. As I said, you know, Spooky don't, obviously I'm unsure with them when it comes to their competition. But as I said, I think Mark just facilitates the shipping and bringing it in and then getting it out through Australia. I don't know if you can buy directly from him. I'm happy, Mark, if you're out there, reach out, mate. Happy to hear from you. I know he does handle some of the warranty procedure and the changeover and that sort of stuff to facilitate and help that through. Because I think a couple of guys have wanted to do that under warranty or deposits and what have you so he can help with that. But yeah, like I said, everybody else is just on their own. So let me know, guys. Write in pinballoswide at hotmail.com if you've got a view on it or private message me. Happy to hear from you guys and see what you think about a little bit of competition in the industry. Do we need more? And those that have come into it slightly, do we need to hear from them a little bit more? Or, you know, like I said, I hadn't heard from Bike City at all until I saw the ad on the page. And that was the first time I'd ever heard of it. Yeah, that's right. I know, apparently, if you go on to Pedretti's website, it lists them. But who's going to Pedretti's? You know, we're in Australia. I don't think I've looked at that. Silver Bull Showdown, Matty. Second month in a row. Yep, second round. No Fear or High Speed 2. Pretty easy, I think. High Speed 2, yeah, for me. That's what I think it's like. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, No Fear is, I haven't put enough time on. It wasn't a bad game, I was at Ginge last night and he was like, oh, it's a shit game, got rid of it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, high speed without a doubt though.
    78:23
    Indie or Twilight Zone? Twilight Zone or Indie. Twilight Zone, that's the upper play field, isn't it? Magna Flips. Yeah, Indie. Indie, yeah? Yeah, Twilight Zone's overrated for me personally. Yeah, I think Indie for the theme for me personally. Unfortunately, that mode holds a bitch to hit, but yeah, indie.
    78:50
    Back to the Future or Robocop? And honestly, for the years, I've only played Back to the Future, I've never actually played a Robocop. I've only played Robocop maybe once or twice, so I'm going for that based off theme more than anything in that jump ramp. Back to the Future is good, but the data is very simple, there's not much to it, so I'd have to go for the nostalgia for me would be Robocop. I was going to go Robocop too. Yeah, everyone ever played one? It's just, yeah, I love both things. I saw Bowen play it on Papa when I was looking at one for many years ago. Just keep watching that jump around. Yeah, it's fucking cool. Very simplistic code, but very cool. Very cool. Nice. Well, last month I gave you a Keefe Elwin face-off. Yep. I don't know why, this month I'm giving you a Steve Ritchie face-off. There you go. Nice. So we're sticking with designers at the moment. Black Knight or Black Knight 2000? Or Black Knight 2000, 100%. I love the music. Yeah, absolutely love it. Okay. If I could get one at the right price, that would be in my collection straight away. Yep. Okay. But I was never going to spend $8,000 on one. Yeah.
    79:52
    Yeah, I don't know where they're priced now, but yeah, they were up there. T2 or high-speed getaway? Nostalgia, honestly, it's probably just going to be T2 for me. Yep. So even though getaways are faster and probably a better, smoother game, but I do love T2. Yep. It is a fun game, but it's got plenty in it. Okay. I love the cannon shot too and just the multi-balls. Yeah, that cannon shot's difficult. It is good fun. Yeah, and the other game that's the cannon shot is ACDC versus Elton.
    80:23
    Oh, ACDC. Yeah, that was an easy one, but I couldn't think of another music theme that would sort of stack up. Elton is a very good flowing machine, man. I know ACDC does it for a lot on the theme, but G. Elton's choosing ACDC. Yeah.
    80:43
    Elton, what ruined it for me, honestly, was also, they were missing all the assets, mate. There was no, I know I'm playing the pinball machine, it's just not having any video assets. It was all clip art crap. There was no video. Maybe if you had these live concerts or something up there or just video music videos, I might have gone, yeah, I'm just feeling more viable when you watch someone else playing it. There you go, Silver Bull Showdown. If anyone's got any that they want to send through, feel free, guys. We're happy to see what yours are against and we can pick and choose and see who wins out of them. We move on to just the tip. My tip, I should do have a tip this time. Do you remember what it is? I believe so. Don't talk to your friend or people when working on pinball machines because you may put a ribbon cable in upside down.
    81:30
    Yes, correct. And then you buy a fuse. Correct. What do you have to do, Jareth? So yeah, definitely cable upside down. So a five-minute job never becomes a five-minute job. Then you can't find the right body for you either. And proof of that as well is with rubbers, you know. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah, but my tip is that possibly, I had a couple actually, that was mine, was a five-minute job never becomes a five-minute job because of what you just said. But I've got a couple. Well, one is probably don't, as hard as it might be, don't go off the manual when purchasing rubbers. I understand. As I've just found out, there are two rubbers that are not shown on the manual for Deadpool that are on the playfield. So where possible, I think to physically do a count and eyeball where these things are and try and work it out is the best way. Seriously, it's 2026 and you can't put the correct answer in the manual. I'm actually, as corny as this sounds, I'm actually going to email Stern and complain in inverted covers just to say, mate, what's going on? Like, you know, this is not a 1970 machine where the manuals get lost. You have professional people binding these fuckers together. Do it right.
    82:49
    And the only other tip that I wanted to give... You don't want to save until next month? No, I'm happy to ramble on for a bit. I just wanted to give one quick tip. Just because a machine doesn't pop up that often doesn't dictate a higher price.
    83:06
    So that's just a tip for you, that the market dictates the price, not whether or not we've seen it on the market or not before. That's neither here nor there.
    83:18
    So they're my tips. So we're just going to have a bit of a chat now about the rumor industry news. And at the top we start with Toten. Yep. The Toten remake, which we all know my thoughts on because I think remakes are just fucking money grabs. It's pointless doing this sort of stuff, but they've done it. Pedretti have done it and released one. I don't know about you. I'm not excited by it because I don't think they have any type of history quality behind them. So I'd be more nervous moving forwards personally. But they've done two titles. They've done a 30th anniversary and a legacy edition. The 30th anniversary is at 399 units. The legacy didn't seem to have any limits, so they're looking at going however long they want to. The main difference is the 30th anniversary has a 21.5 inch HD display. It's got OG code as well as an upgraded 1.5 code. They both have that, though. Correct. Which we don't have details on. Sorry, I'm just doing one at a time. So just on the anniversary edition.
    84:29
    We don't have any details yet on what the code is, apart from maybe some enhancements. I don't know what enhancements there are. It's got RGB lighting. Brian Allen has redesigned the artwork for the anniversary.
    84:44
    That doesn't include the playfield by the look of it. It looks like it's just the body of the machine. No, the playfield's been done. Well, the Playfield looks like it's just got some sort of glitter or something through it. It's all new artwork in the Playfield. Is it all new artwork? Okay.
    84:57
    Purple glitter artwork, Invisi Glass Mirror Blades. There's these glowing stair ramps that it shows around the clear ramps, which didn't look too bad, to be honest. It's also got a lit back panel, glitter gold lamp. They've put in premium sound. They've got backbox game sync lighting, so obviously the backbox must flicker or change depending on what you're doing there. RGB sidebars, which is similar to Stern's impression lighting, I'm guessing. Shaker motor lamp and genie toys have been upgraded. In the legacy edition, you miss a couple things, but obviously the Brian Allen artwork you miss, but you still get the large display. You get the two codes as well. Well, it's just the original artwork, so you don't get, as I said, the Brian Allen artwork, and it's just got night sky trim, so it's the black trim with some speckle night sky through it. You do get the Invisi-glass, you get mirror side rails, you do get the glowing ramps as well, the glowing stars ramps, playfield lighted back panel, this premium sound system, you still get the GameSync lighting RGB and the RGB sidebars. Shake a Motor, Upgraded Lamp and Junior Toys and Glitter Gold Lamp both have Scorbit, so it's interesting they've gone Scorbit because JJP dropped that from memory, so it's interesting Pedretti picking that up. So that's the two models. Look, I don't know about you, give us your thoughts, everyone knows mine quite fairly. My thoughts right now, look, it doesn't do much for me at the moment because I already own one, the original, so I'm not excited about it. Don't you want to see more on site, Matt? Don't you want to see more come out on site? People's home, family homes, yes I do. Yeah, for people that don't own one, yeah. I guess it's better than paying premium dollar for a beat up old machine from 30 years ago, isn't it? I guess that's the only thing going forward is the way that they've been priced in the market at around that 16 mark for the 30th. This is about standard. You know, I'm into premium machines, so to put it in line with Stern's premium prices, as in Pro Premium LE, I think that's okay-ish. Well, the Legacy is probably my favourite, having the OG, the original artwork on Playfield and the cabinet, and I don't mind the black trim, it looks alright. But I'm not a huge fan of the new artwork on the 30th anniversary, which didn't do much for me, and I really do not like that purple. Yeah. It just shouldn't be purple. Yeah. As I'm pretty sure I said to you that it should be the brassy, goldy colour from the lamp. Yep. That should be the trim colour. Yep. And that'll make the machine stand out and pop out a hell of a lot better than purple. Yeah. It's just, it's nice though. You look at it and just go, why is it purple? Why is it, for what reason? Yeah, I agree actually. Yeah, the gold probably would look a lot better. Mm-hmm. Without a doubt. That's my thoughts on it anyways. Yeah. Yeah, like I said, I'm not that wrapped on it, to be honest. And as you said, we don't know about the quality control either. No, no idea. No idea. I mean, I was speaking to a couple of distros and yeah, they've not sold very many at the moment. So there's not been a huge demand for them, a couple here or there, but... Not my credit, then? Yeah, probably not, no. That's amazing. And I certainly wouldn't believe sort of the FOMO that distributors put out there about, you know. Like we're used to, especially like with Tactus Canyon. Yeah, correct. You know, so I think you've just got to be a bit smart and not get caught up in all of that. You know, these aren't selling out regardless of what you may see or read. But yeah, we'll do the fifth run of Bloody Medieval Madness though. Correct. Which is crazy. I don't understand how they're doing that. No, not at all. And then we saw Sonic this morning, which is fucking good timing actually, Matty. Yeah, it is. We're recording this obviously on the 24th, so 23rd over in America. Yeah. They've just cropped it. Pretty much, yeah. So I woke up to it this morning and had still eyes half closed looking at it, so I was like, yeah, it looks good, looks interesting, looks fast. Obviously I haven't seen any actual gameplay footage, only the trailer. Yep. I've looked at all the photos, I believe all the photos, and I think it's well executed. I'd say it's well executed. It does it justice, I think. I can't wait to play one of the expo. It will be quite exciting. I like the artworks and the package deals. Yeah, great. Artworks, pretty good. And even the trim, like all the, going from the CE to the, all versions, I like them all, honestly. Yeah, I don't think there's one bad art package where usually you might see one that stands out above the most, like Harry Potter, the CE, it stood out like dog's balls and that was the one to go for if you were visually, like I was, visually drawn towards the machine, that's the one to go for. But with Sonic, they're all good quality. I must admit, the rails on the CE, I wasn't that. I mean, I think it would have go fast or something. I mean, some way I've done it like that. It's just been really dumb, to be honest. They probably could have chosen better words or an image. You know, they could have had Sonic in a ball, you know, going down, moving down the rails, you know, and have his trail, you know, his gold trail that trails behind him. Like, that might have been a better use of something like that. The other thing I wasn't a fan about on the play for was, which I told you about, I started to do the image. Which is pretty much in the dead centre, isn't it? Where it's all green and everything nice around for all the shots. And then just up straight to the guts is a picture of Sonic in the middle with Knuckles to the side. I think it is. Yeah, and Tails is in there. Tails is there, yeah. On a blue patch. On just this big blue patch, which is Sonic the Hedgehog. Just don believe that needed to be that Just even riding that Sonic the Hedgehog and even having that big having that big blue patch Well normally you find that sort of stuff in between the flippers where it sort of promotes those kind of characters
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    For Harry Potter, you've got the big one to six inserts and that sort of stuff. I just didn't feel it should have been there. It's just sort of right in your face. So that is the only thing I can really pick on with the play field. The loop looks pretty cool. Yeah, it looks pretty good. They've got a loop in there, which is nice. I like the in-lane drop targets.
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    Haven't seen that for a while, have we? Not sure. Probably Metallica. Obviously Metallica is the one I'm thinking of, but I don't know. I don't think I've seen it for a while. The only thing I don't, which I think they missed out on, was having a sideways spinner. That really should have been in there. Unless it is there, I haven't seen it, but I'm sure they would have said it, liking their little expressions. I'm not sure. I only saw the spinner on the upper play field. I couldn't spot it on the lower. I think there was one on your left orbit, there might be one with a Kwanzaa, and one on the top playfield.
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    No pop bumpers? No pop bumpers, keep the speed in there. Unusual. I mean, he does bounce around a bit if you've ever played the Mega Drive game. He bounces around a fair bit, you know, if you hit the wrong flying monster or the fish jumping out of the water. You do know. He bounces around and hits stuff and every time he bounces to pick up his speedy shoes or his infinite lives, he bounces around and stuff.
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    It's interesting that they chose to leave off that sort of, you could have really drawn on that. That was where you get yourself in the trouble. You bounce around. Yeah, correct. They could have implemented that into a mode or what have you, I don't know. The upper play field's massive on it. And yes, granted, everyone's like, oh, it's such a clear play field. No one gives a fuck if it's a clear playfield or not. Like, maybe the impression is that you're in a higher world or you're flying with tails and she's dragging you along or something, I don't know. But that's where Rebutnick is, so he comes down on that upper playfield. So I just wonder, that's the bash toy by the look of it. But it looks like he moves up and down, so you can shoot under him or shoot him. So I'm not sure. And it's got those rebound targets up there as well that we spotted. So that's interesting. I need to see the gameplay for sure. I'll be honest, I was hoping to be wowed. I don't know that I am wowed. So I would definitely need to see it in the flesh. I mean, it's got those, you know, the coins that look like they've got little pixelated inserts and LCD screens in, which showed little arrows and smiley faces and stuff like that, and obviously the coins themselves. So I'm interested how they would integrate with the theme and the gameplay. But overall, it's unlike Harry Potter. It doesn't have the wow factor just yet. I think I'd need to have a look at gameplay to see where I'm at with that. So I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts as well. For sure. But I think the theme is definitely the right theme to go for. For sure. And the C.E. had that top of it. I think you were relatively impressed by. Yeah, I thought that was really good. It's got the big large LCD screen which goes from side to side at the top of the box. Avatar style, really, isn't it? And then you've got two mechanical, Sonic and Doc Degman, who go and battle each other. So I'm guessing that will obviously happen when you're up in the top player field. When you're actually hitting him, you're going to keep going in and hitting him. So I thought it was pretty well done. Yeah, I mean, I noticed that as Sonic was moving, they had sort of the shadow of him moving to make it look like it was fast, which is pretty good. But yeah, it'd be interesting to see what else is there with it. I mean, yeah, it wasn't that awesome. It wasn't, you know, I mean, we've spoken about toppers before, like some of Spooky's toppers, you know, ridiculous. So to see that, it was like, yeah, it's probably better than a lot of the Stern ones that are out there anyway. To be honest. Yep. And it comes on the machine. Yeah, well. Not accessory. Mind you, you are paying a lot, lot more for the machine though, aren't you? You're saving yourself a couple of grand. I mean, stintoppers are usually $2,500 or $3,000. So if you took that amount off, you know, and put it on the LE, you're at $23,000 compared to $25,000 for the CE. So you're saving a couple of grand. But that aside, it's still, I think, how machines should come. Are they 25? Yeah. Probably 22, 500. What are? 30 A's. No. No? 25. Yeah. I'm with you. I mean, you know, to have a topper on a machine shipped is pretty good. It's good. I think overall it looks good. Like I said, I'd love to play it to see if it's got that typical Ritchie flow. And I'm sure me and you are going to be unboxing them. Yeah, at the Expo? Yep. Yeah, hopefully. Yep, we get unboxing, touch it first. It'd be nice. It'd be nice, yeah, I know Paul's going to bring him down, so it'd be good to see him. But yeah, so that's Sonic. As I said, we'll probably chat more about it next month when a little bit more info's come out, but first impressions is... I like it. Yeah, I do too. And we've got Pokemon accessories. Thoughts? What are you thinking? I'm sick of this shit. Sick of it. I mean, that topper, $2,200 plus GST. The Magic Crap. Oh, no, I was trying to take a piece of that. Magic Crap. Yeah. Every time you collect a Pokeball, I think it is, you collect a letter. Yeah, you do. Once all the letters are lit, you get a specific multiple. Special multiple. Another DLC boim. Yep. For $2,200. But then again, six months later, they'll update the code because people complain and you'll be able to play that code anyway. Yeah. It's a nice looking topper. Like it looks pretty, and when I say detailed as in, you know, like the fish up there moves his head and his tail. I believe they've reinvented the wheel with this because we've never seen a topper like this. I don't think we've ever seen a fish topper like this before. Never. So it's one of a kind. I'm not sure if it makes a fudging sound with the tail or not. Nah. I mean, it's nicely sculpted. Yeah, but honestly being Magikarp, I'm not sure why you choose Magikarp as your main topper. I don't know, I don't get it. There could have been just so many more Pokemon that are more recognisable. 100%. And not just Magikarp. 100%. I just want to say Magikarp again. You can say Magikarp at as much as you can. I like it, but the price is just too much. It is, and the Shooter Rod. It's pretty much up there. Look, Shooter Rod's pretty basic, but... $275, mate. I'll put it out there right now. I'll 3D print these for free and hand them out. And I'll also 3D print. I can do these little levelers that sit on the playfield and you can level your flippers as well as your game. Keep an eye out for those people. I'm just going to print them off at will for anybody who needs them. It's called the Jazzbat. The Jazzbat.
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    Side armour? I didn't mind. It's probably better than... I didn't mind the side armour. I think that goes in with the expression lighting, so it mirrors what the expression lighting is doing. I quite like the look of that, you know, different characters, Pokeball, different character, Pokeball. It's definitely better than what they've been recently releasing, like the Walking Dead one. Yeah, correct. Again, I mean, 600 plus GST, I mean, it's, I don't know, I guess that's out there. I mean, if it was maybe $3.50, it's a bit better. And obviously that's not against AMD, but I'm just price-wise, I just feel like that's where it should be. But out of the four accessories, if I had extra money, that would be the one that I'd buy personally. And then the inner art blades for $180. I think they look good. Yeah. I think it just blends into the game. Yeah. Meh. For me. But as you know, if I've got the game, I'd have mirror blades in it, so yeah, correct. But otherwise, I don't think we look too bad. Yeah. Otherwise, expression lighting and all that crap, whatever. What are we moving on to? Transformers topper, which hasn't officially been released. No, a little bit of a leak. Yes, and it looks great. I guess it finishes the top of the game off. It's just another reskin Black Knight topper and the Foo Bot topper and the C-3PO topper. Yeah. It's just a reskin. Yeah. It's just like, and for the price, it's probably going to be about $3,000 or something. Because what is, what does the C3, it's about $3,300, isn't it? I don't even know. It's about that. But it's just too much, especially, you know, when the Black Knights, sort of rage, yeah, yeah. Sort of rage, sort of fury. Sort of rage, yeah. You know, that time back then, I think when it was brand new, it was... $1,800 or something. Oh, no, no, originally it was about $700 back in the day, yeah. $750 maybe, if you remember. That's just a huge price increase of $2,300. I know, because they know that people will buy them. Yeah, that's right. That's why they do it. But yeah, I wasn't, again, I mean, I don't think toppers necessarily make a machine. No, definitely not. But if they're the right price, they definitely, you know, just give you something else to them. Yeah, write in and let us know, guys, what you think about some of these accessories. If you're the kind of person that, regardless, you want to kit them out, your machines, Because they've been released, they're the official and they look good and you're happy with the pricing, well let us know the other way around if you think they're overpriced and would never do it. Either way, pinballoswatt at hotmail.com for those that want to. But yeah, the Transformers top up, not interested either. And then you wanted to have a little chat about, this is quite an interesting topic actually. I'm going to let you run with it. I didn't do any research because I think I'll just sort of chat with you about it. Just fucking relax. Well, to be honest, mate, so this is Easter eggs in machines. And to be honest, I knew that they sort of existed to a point, but I didn't think they were as prevalent. When you started telling me, I was like, oh, Jesus Christ, there's a lot of Easter eggs in a lot of different machines. So this was quite interesting. So for those that don't know, listen the fuck up. Matt's going to teach us something today.
    101:27
    Schooling with Matt. So anyway, Easter eggs or what do they call it? Easter eggs or cows, that's what they sort of call them. So if you don't know what they are, they're pretty much just cheat code or just a secret code that you enter into your machine while you're in attract mode and you're using the both flippers, left flipper, right flipper or the start button. So there is a website out there. There's quite a lot of websites out there with all different ones. So if you go into Google and just type in cows and Easter eggs, that should come up. Okay. And you've got a list from A to X. Bloody hell. And I'm sitting here with 31 pages. Jesus Christ, we're not going to go through all the... We are. We are going to read out every single... Sit back, people. We've had an hour and a half into this, maybe two hours. We're going to be here for another six. We'll be here for... Well, I'm not going to go into many of them, but I will explain a couple of them, which are... Sorry to interrupt quickly, but you're saying that these are inputted by a flipper... Flipper combination. It's a combination. When we were speaking originally, I just thought of Easter eggs as while you're playing. They also are while playing as well, like Circus Voltaire. If you hit Ringmaster X-Men's Ones, you might do a moo at you, or you just might see a cam fly across the screen, like in Attack from Mars. Well, I know. There's just these little... Yeah, well, and there's one in, obviously, I shouldn't say obviously, there's one in Creature of the Black Lagoon that's part of Move Your Car that pays homage to one of the games. And I think the other way around as well, someone in another game plays homage to the Move Your Car. Maybe that's the way it is, that there's a game that plays homage to Move Your Car from the Black Lagoon. So that's where I thought we were going with the Easter Eats. But this is, we did it on Monster Bash with the Lyman cheat code. Yeah, so Lyman's La Mat. Yeah. So you're going to put a code in, which I don't have in front of you, right? It's here with the pages. I just thought you said you printed out Avis X, mate. I have, but I'm not going to go through that code right now. I want to hear it right now. Okay, but so what it does is... No, no. Oh, shut up. Let me finish. So what you do is enter the code in and it'll change the call ads. So Lyman Sheets actually does all the call ads. And if you enter code correctly, which I actually think we missed something on it, even though we got the call ads, but you've got to hit into the middle scoop first and it will give you the monsters of rock Munchyball. Okay, did you redo it, did you? No, I read up about it, so I didn't try it again. Oh, okay. But that's what it's meant to do, it's meant to give you the monsters of rock Munchyball. I think it's because you're meant to do a full plunge around and not hit anything else. It's because we went into the pop bumpers first. Right. So that's where I'm pretty sure that's stuffed up for us. Okay. But look, I'll go into this and I will grab it out so Jerry can listen to me ramble on some numbers. People don't want to hear you go left, left, left, left, right, left, start button, left, right, left, start button. This is a code for Monster Bash. It works on the original and also on the remake. So this is to get Lyman's Laments.
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    And with the game started, press the following sequence. So both buttons, 11 left presses, one right press, five left presses, one right press, six left presses, One right press. So that spells Kef. If entered correctly, Lyman Sheets will say totally. So then the next award is a scoop shot and then it'll give you Lyman's Lament. Is it Lament or Lament? Lament. Oh, Lament. Lyman's Lament. Yeah.
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    I think that was it. Okay. So that's one. But look, there's quite a new one out here. It's for Jersie Jax comes in roses. Mm-hmm. So what it does is, with the game on, in a track mode, you just get into another combination. So it's two right, seven left, one right, 14 left, one right, 18 left, two right. Then this opens up a new viewer that you would never have seen. So it comes up with just some behind the scenes. Yeah, amazing. Don't tell them, I want their JJP owners to go and do it. Okay. Don't spoil it. I wanted a spoiler. Don't spoil it. Okay, fine. To find out what it is, go on. It's pretty cool. For those that want to know, private message, Matt. Yeah, it's a two-minute video. Yep. Yeah, so just something hidden away. And as we discussed as well, like when we were at the X-Men last year, we got to meet the game designer, Eric. And he actually showed Jared. I was away somewhere. I don't know what I was doing. He showed Jared. You know exactly what you were doing.
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    You were drinking at the bar. Oh, probably, yeah, I was doing that too. Yeah, so he showed Jared a cheat code, but he didn't actually tell him what it was, because it's obviously his own little secret code, which comes up with, was it, you said it was a focus? His boy. His son with Splash? Yeah. Yeah, so. Next to the machine. But I'm pretty sure that's what it was. Yeah, so that code there is kept as a secret, so he knows that code. Yeah. So, which is pretty cool. And then there's, look, even though it's not a, it is still classified as Easter eggs and such, but you know, on ACDC you've got the, you've got your radio. Just sounds like Metallica. You can listen to the radio. Right. You know, you can change your songs from there. The jukebox. The jukebox, yeah. So, what you can do on ACDC, you know, you love it, you're enjoying the song, you listen to whatever you want to listen to. And if you do something, you press the actual middle button, your action button, it'll change it to a live version of that song. Oh, alright. So it goes from AM or FM to AM. Oh, alright, okay. That's pretty cool. And I don't know if there are people out there that have an ACD thing and go, what are you talking about? They go along tonight and go, listen home, we've got live music. Yeah, nice. We're at the concert, guys. That's pretty cool. So look, there's heaps. I don't even know. Like I said, there's 30 something, 31 pages there. But there was actually one that was excited about there. Oh, God, this looks fucking long, man. Yes, I'm going to read this whole thing. No, yeah. But what do you want to do? Oh, my God. We're trying to get this, we're going to get listeners in place. What in hell is that? So anyway, I got excited about this. I bet you did. Unfortunately, it didn't work. I don't know why. So I kept trying and trying. Because on Circus Voltaire, you can make it, it comes up and says, hi Matt, or hi Bowen, hi Justin, hi Corey, hi Michael. So it's got all these different people's names in there, but there's no Jarrett, unfortunately. Right. So I was sitting there trying to press all the buttons. We don't give a fuck if there's no Jarrett on this, who cares? Well, because you're going to say, I'll tell you, wouldn't you fucking like it if you could just get it? Not anymore. Yeah. I would have, but I don't now. You can make it say Justin. I guess it's got a J there. It's pretty close, mate. Is there actually one that says math in there? There is, yeah. Okay. So are they the designers or something? Are they the code? Yeah, I'm not too sure. It doesn't actually say. Yeah, right. Anyway, I was like, oh, I wanted to say. So how do you get them up? So same sort of thing. Just you've got to press the button. So 13 left, 18 right, 19 left. And who's that for? Math. Okay. Hi, Matt. How funny. Is that just when you start a game or something and it comes up and says, hi, Matt? So do you have to do that every time?
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    I don't actually, like I said, it didn't work for me. So I don't know if it will actually write on the screen or if it actually will say it out. Yeah, right. I'm not too sure. Inside a connector, your heart's out. Yeah. That was actually something. Well ahead of the time. Where did I put this? Here we go. It was this one, yeah. On all the new Stern, like Spike 2, Spike 3 machines with the LCD screens, You can get dead slips that come up on the screen. So obviously it's Jack Danger. Yep. So he says something, but I won't tell you what it says. Okay. So what you've got to do is enter the code. When you're in track mode, both buttons or both slipper buttons, four left, one right, five left, one right, one left, two right. And then that will come up with a special message to you. Okay. Which is pretty cool. And then there's also another one called Hello World. Most of these, they said that they work with mainly Dwight games, Cheats games, and anything that Franchi's really worked on. So where did you find this info for those that want to have a look for it? Yeah, so this one's actually through YouTube it was. Okay. Yeah, I just typed in Stern Easter Eggs. Okay. Stern Pinball Easter Eggs or Cheat Codes. Okay. It came up. There was a video in there that actually shows you how to do them, and then in the description it tells you the cheat codes. The codes, yes, the flip. Yeah, you can get the credits to come up. You can get it to come up and say, hello world, which I don't know what that means. Pinball team, which will show you the whole pinball team, like the... Faces of them? No, just the whole group photo. Yep, right. So then there's also another one saying, I miss you. That comes up on the screen and then the serial number. Okay. Yeah, get around on your machine. The serial number is a good one to know, actually. I don't know where you find them. Back of the machine. Yeah, and how many people have them against the wall? So what's the serial number one? No, I'm not going to tell you that one. So if you want to see your serial number which is on the screen, which is the most exciting thing, Jarrod just said he wants to listen to. 100% mate. So press both your buttons together, eight left presses, one right, four left presses, one right, seven left presses and two right presses. Okay. And they will show you your serial number. Nice. For anyone who has their machine which you push up against a wall and they can't get it. Well let's be honest, for those that are insurance purposes, a lot of the collectors do need to know their serial numbers for theft and things like that. I can't tell you how many times there's been thefts in this hobby. People are like, have you got the serial numbers? And they're like, no. So just a nice easy way to bring it up.
    111:03
    So thank you, Matt, for that one. That's the most important one out of all of them. No, that's good. That's interesting. Like I said, for those that want to know, jump onto that Google. You could always put a link on.
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    We could. You've given me a lot of work to do, but we could do that. We had an email. Nice. Which, apologies to David, he did reach out to me via private message when I said last month we didn't have any emails and he was like, but I sent you an email. And I'm like, David, I apologise. I went and had a look, it was in spam. Okay. But it was so far down in spam because we get a lot of spam, which if ever anyone needs, you know, Viagra or any of that sort of stuff, I can help you out. But David... Hook us up, mate. Hook us up. But David says, hey guys, loving the insights you provide into the pinball market, so thank you, appreciate it. I was wondering how the number of plays, and this is to you, Matty, so you can answer this question for him, because it is sort of as a question, his email. I was wondering how the number of plays affects the price of a game. For this argument, let's consider a home-use-only Godzilla premium, since there's been a lot of sales of these. Assuming playfield condition is the same for all of the following number of plays, what do you think each would fetch? So 1,000 plays, 5,000 plays, even 10,000 plays. Assume all mechs and switches are working and the flippers are still strong on all of them. He goes on just to say, from what I can tell, if you have replaced balls when required and have regularly cleaned the playfield, the playfield doesn't really wear out. When was the last time you saw a location, Stern, with chipped paint or wear marks on a playfield? Flippers, switches and mechs are easy enough to repair if required. As a result, I wouldn't have thought the number of plays would affect the price much, but would like to hear your thoughts. I will continue daily play of my game regardless of the answer. So, agreed David, thank you mate, appreciate the email, apologies we missed you last month. Matt, thoughts? Is this a home use only machine? Say 10,000 plays on home use, or is it a slot, it just doesn't matter, have a slot. Home use only Godzilla premium, 1, 5 or 10,000 plays, assuming all method switches are working, I mean, the flippers are still strong on all of them. Obviously, lower the plays. So, what did you say, 5,000? 1,000, 5,000, 10,000. 5,000. So, if you've got 1,000 games, I believe, you're in the lower section there, aren't you? I think you might have more struggle with a buyer if you've got 10,000 games. Like, someone like you, you might have gone, I think I've got some wiggle room with negotiations. So, that's quite a high amount of games. Like we said, what does the gold deal home use? We're thinking they're roughly about 11,500 at the moment. So I'd say yes, you'd get your 11.5 grand for your 1,000 games. 5,000, someone's going to negotiate you down a little bit, so you might have to cop 11, 10.5, and for the 10,000 games, you're probably same sort of, 10 grand maybe, something like that. You just might struggle to get someone to go, sure, I'll jump out and bite straight away because there's the amount of plays on it. Your thoughts? When was Godzilla released? What was the year? 22, 21, 26. 26, so yeah, 5, 6 in the year.
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    I would say condition is key for me personally. Plays would come into it. At the end of the day, you know, something that's got 10,000 plays will have wear and will need work. Even if the flippers are working the same as what are 1,000, you know, and I guess I'm getting specific here with you, David, so apologies because I'm probably extrapolating it more than what you've put into an email, but I just don't think it's as simple as X, Y, Z, because at 1,000 over five years, five years, four years, 1,000 players over four years is very, very minimal. Whereas you look at 10,000 plays over four years, that's a huge difference. So you would look to need, you know, flipper rebuilds, you know, the ramps. But as you said, there is enough to change anyway. Are they though?
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    They're not over the heart, no. Are they though? They are. I disagree. I disagree entirely. For you and me, they might be simple. But for somebody who is looking at a first machine, even a second machine, there's never, and I can guarantee you, 80% of pinball buyers out there would not know how to take the glass off. The 20% are the minority, which is us, the collectors, because, you know, we need to do that. You know, you would have to replace rubbers. Now, as I've just said at the top of the podcast, not only do you make sure you need all the rubbers, but you've got to take off ramps, plastics. And that sort of stuff to change rubbers over, not loose screws. So it's a lot to do in that regard. So I would say that, yes, the 10,000 play machine would be substantially less.
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    And I guess even though I just said as a new person into the hobby, they would know how to do that. As an experienced player like me, I would be putting time and effort into that. So while I'm a nobody and don't necessarily charge out my time, obviously, in that regards, but there's a cost involved in that. So therefore, I would want to make sure that I am not going over that as well. You know, plastics could be chipped, broken, snapped, so you might want to have new plastics involved with it. Some might be missing, you know, you just don't know. But didn't he put in these questions if they were all in the same condition, though? Yeah, but they wouldn't be. No, I know this, but he's trying to say it. That's why I'm saying like... He's saying that, but all in the same condition, but just got more plays. Yeah, but you can't have that with more plays. That's why I said I'm extrapolating it out to say that. But you wouldn't have a machine with 1,000 plays comparable to 10,000 that would be in the same condition. What he stated was mechs, switches and flippers are all working. The playfield condition is the same. But that is probably true because, yes, playfields have become better. But as I said, you'd be looking at rubbers, plastics, rams maybe not so much. You know, certainly the mechs for the main multiball tower, pop bumper, all that sort of stuff may need an inverted commas rebuilding, especially after 10,000 players. You know, so, yeah, definitely there would be different price points for them. Where would your price point be? Yeah, probably where you are, to be fair. I think $10,000 for Godzilla Premium with 10,000 plays, when I say it out loud, is probably very cheap, but it probably does make sense to be in and around there. But yeah, we've seen them at around $11,500, $12,000 for the home use only plays, so you would only be going down from there. So, yeah, to save a couple of grand on a 10,000-plane machine based on what I know that needs to go into, as I said, removing, you know, ramps and plastics and the like to get to rubbers and all the rest of it and the purchase of those rubbers and your time to do it, then, yeah, that sort of pricing is about right. But definitely they wouldn't be at the same value. Yeah.
    118:26
    Without a doubt. So, hopefully that's sort of answered a little bit. Dave, thanks for the email, mate. That was a good discussion to have, actually, so I appreciate it.
    118:34
    Admin rants, keep your shit off the pages, people. No, apart from that, yeah. Keep your shit off your pages. I don't know, I've had bikes and pictures and God knows what else. I started putting a few people here or there because I'm just sick of it now.
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    Keep your shit off the pages. Otherwise, it's been pretty good. It has. It's been pretty smooth sailing so far. It seems like the scammers have sort of slowed in a bit. I think there was one post I noticed not long ago. Someone posted, Michael I think posted up the scammer. It hasn't been as full on, has it? No, the only other one I heard of was that guy who's doing the Saw pinball machine, the homebrew, and he almost got caught out buying a Guardians of the Galaxy. Okay. Yeah, so he was like, oh, fuck, I almost got scammed. So if anyone's filling a machine, help me out. So they're obviously still out there. So for the uninitiated, then, yeah, you've got to still be a little bit careful. Of course, yeah. But that's why we say come to pages like ours where it's a bit safer and a bit easier. But otherwise, yeah, it's been okay. So I appreciate it, guys. If you've got this far, as we said at the top, please, we're getting heaps of listens. Just if you've got this far, thank you very much. Thanks for putting up with us. Thanks for listening. It's a bit longer of an episode this month, obviously, because of Juz as well. Just make sure you like and subscribe for us, as always. And, Matty, as always. And, Jared, always good chatting, mate. Thank you, Matty. Appreciate it. Thank you, all listeners. We'll see you next month. The Lone of Furn discussing Deadpool, Mets, and Foo Fights. We'll chat about our Batbox Brawl. That's the dog. It's not Batbox Brawl, is it? What are we calling it? Silver Bull Showdown. Feedback. Feedback's always good. Feedback. Feedback is always good feedback. Any type of feedback is always good feedback. Any type of feedback is good feedback. You know what I was trying to say. It happened.
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    It is. I'm too busy looking into your eyes.