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Episode 74: Deeproot Themes and a whole lotta other stuff!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·held·Oct 1, 2020
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TL;DR

Poor Man's hosts critique Deep Root Pinball game pipeline strategy and theme selection while discussing market appeal.

Summary

In this rambling live episode of Poor Man's A A Pinball Podcast, hosts Drew and Ian discuss the recent Deep Root Pinball reveal and their upcoming slate of games, including titles like Gladiator, Yukon Yeti, Fire and Brimstone, Merlin's Arcade, Machine Age, and Space Pirates. The hosts express skepticism about Deep Root Pinball marketing strategy of announcing so many unfinished games simultaneously and debate whether the themes appeal to mainstream audiences. They also conduct t-shirt giveaways, discuss personal pinball collection decisions (Turtles vs. Avengers), and touch on newer releases like Avengers Infinity Quest.

Key Claims

  • Deep Root announced approximately 10 upcoming game titles last week without having any on production line yet

    high confidence · Drew and Ian discussing Deep Root Pinball reveal; Ian says 'they had what six or seven titles' and Drew corrects 'there's a few anymore like 10 i have them all on the slideshow'

  • Deep Root Pinball marketing approach of revealing all future titles at once is a mistake because it distracts from getting their first game (Raza) launched

    high confidence · Drew: 'I don't understand why they would tell us what we can get in the future when they're trying to get something off the ground.' Ian agrees: 'Do you think it was a mistake for them to release all these? Absolutely.'

  • Most of Deep Root Pinball announced themes are non-licensed, which may limit mainstream market appeal compared to licensed IP like Avengers or Turtles

    high confidence · Drew asks 'How come they don't have one licensed theme in here?' Ian responds noting The Who is licensed and Drew agrees the games lack broad-market IP appeal

  • Turtles (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) is possibly one of John Borg best playfield layouts

    medium confidence · Ian states: 'Turtles is still one hell of a freaking game and maybe Borg's best layout. I totally agree with that.'

  • Dennis Nordman designed Yukon Yeti as a spiritual sequel to Whitewater with yeti characters on the playfield

    medium confidence · Ian: 'they said it's like a whitewater sequel yes so dennis nordman who's famous for the yeti and whitewater came up with this campy cartoony idea'

  • Avengers Infinity Quest is currently in Pro and Limited Edition production stages with Premiums starting soon

    high confidence · Pinshades sponsor read: 'The pros are on the line. The LEs are just about done. The premiums will be starting soon.'

  • Deep Root has been operating for five years without releasing a single machine to market

    medium confidence · Drew expressing concern: 'these people have been working there for five years and they've yet to see something come to fruition. I feel really bad for those people.'

Notable Quotes

  • “everyone just keep their panties on. We'll be okay... we are talking about these themes that are supposedly coming”

    Drew @ mid-episode during Deep Root discussion — Hosts clarifying they're only discussing theme appeal, not actual gameplay, since no machines exist yet

  • “I don't understand why they would tell us what we can get in the future when they're trying to get something off the ground.”

    Drew @ Deep Root marketing discussion — Core criticism of Deep Root's announcement strategy

  • “if you have unlimited money and you have designers, and you're given five years... could you make a game in five years with unlimited money for the masses? I think I could.”

    Ian @ Deep Root capability discussion — Questioning why Deep Root hasn't delivered after 5 years and unlimited resources

  • “I'm rooting for them. No pun intended. Rooting for the root.”

    Drew @ Deep Root sentiment section — Hosts expressing support despite skepticism about execution

  • “There is nothing I dislike about turtles. Nope. Nope. Turtles is good. Get turtles. Buy it now.”

    Ian @ Personal pinball news segment — Strong endorsement of TMNT pinball as a completed, playable game

  • “Because while Ian may buy a couple of your games... I'm struggling with this... I just I'm struggling with this... it just I don't want to be rude here because i want to see them succeed i really do but i just i'm struggling”

    Drew @ Deep Root themes discussion — Expressing concern that Deep Root's non-licensed themes won't appeal to mainstream buyers like Drew himself

  • “we got to get one on the line, guys... for you guys, it's a lot of these people have been working there for five years and they've yet to see something come to fruition.”

    Drew @ Deep Root production discussion — Empathy for Deep Root employees and call for actual production

  • “I've been telling Ian that for years. Wild speculation. Wild. Wild speculation.”

Entities

Deep Root PinballcompanyPoor Man's Pinball PodcastorganizationDrewpersonIanpersonDennis NordmanpersonJohn Borgperson

Signals

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    announcement: Deep Root Pinball publicly revealed approximately 10 upcoming game titles (Raza, Gladiator, Yukon Yeti, Fire and Brimstone, Merlin's Arcade, Machine Age, Space Pirates, The Who, and others) via This Week in Pinball coverage

    high · Drew: 'last week they sort of revealed what they have coming with raza but then in that share on this week in pinball they had what six or seven titles that they say are coming out yeah there's a few anymore like 10'

  • ?

    business_signal: Hosts and community members criticize Deep Root's marketing approach of announcing entire future pipeline without any machines in production or on location test

    high · Drew: 'I don't understand why they would tell us what we can get in the future when they're trying to get something off the ground'; Ian: 'Do you think it was a mistake for them to release all these? Absolutely.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Deep Root confirmed Dennis Nordman (legendary Whitewater designer) is designing Yukon Yeti for the company, signaling significant design talent acquisition

    high · Ian: 'dennis nordman who's famous for the yeti and whitewater came up with this campy cartoony idea of having these little yeti all over the playfield'

  • $

    market_signal: Clear market segmentation emerges: mainstream buyers (Drew) prefer licensed IP themes (Avengers, Turtles, Marvel); niche enthusiasts (Ian) prefer unconventional/original themes (steampunk, Merlin, biblical)

    high · Drew criticizes Deep Root's lack of licensed themes while Ian defends non-licensed games; Drew: 'people that cater to ian that's not the large segment of the market no ian's like the small... drew is the mainstream'

  • ~

Transcript

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This episode of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast live show is brought to you by Pinshades. Check out Pinshades for all your eyewear needs in the pinball world. Go to pinside.com, check out the marketplace, visit our friend Jockton at Pinshades, enter poormans at checkout with an S for 10% off your order. This episode is also brought to you by This Week in Pinball. Jeff Patterson is the man that everyone steals the news from every week to put on their podcast, but not us because we don't talk about a lot of news on this podcast. But go to This Week in Pinball. There's all kinds of great stuff. The last couple of weeks has been deep root all day long. Also brought to you by pinballprices.com. Doc Finlay gives us a bottle of booze, but he has a great site anyways. Go to pinballprices.com.
0:50
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1:15
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  • Punny Factory is a new game being anticipated and is expected to release before Raza (Deep Root Pinball first game)

    medium confidence · Chat comment from Brian Kaz: 'I think Punny Factory will be out before Raza. That's Brian Kaz. Yes, sir, Kaz. That probably will happen, won't it?'

    • Drew @ Chat interaction — Hosts acknowledge their format is built on speculation rather than confirmed news

    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
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    Avengers Infinity Questgame
    Razagame
    Gladiatorgame
    Yukon Yetigame
    Fire and Brimstonegame
    Merlin's Arcadegame
    Machine Agegame
    Space Piratesgame
    The Whogame
    Punny Factorygame
    This Week in Pinballorganization
    Zach Sharpeperson
    Brian Kazperson
    Will O'Neillperson
    Robert Muellerperson
    Stephen Silverperson
    Billy Wadgettperson

    sentiment_shift: Community sentiment regarding Deep Root shifts from initial excitement about new manufacturer to skepticism about execution and market viability without hardware on line

    high · Drew repeatedly: 'I'm not shitting on Deep Root. I'm really not. I like some of the things I've seen... but I'm really having a hard time'; 'I'm struggling with this'

  • ?

    product_launch: Avengers Infinity Quest moving through production pipeline: Pros on line, LEs nearly complete, Premiums starting soon via Flip N Out Pinball distributor

    high · Sponsor segment: 'The pros are on the line. The LEs are just about done. The premiums will be starting soon.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts explicitly acknowledge their podcast format is built on speculation and rumor-mongering rather than confirmed news, reflecting broader culture of unverified discussion in pinball media

    high · Chat participant Tim Lee: 'we like speculation and rumors'; Drew: 'That's why we're going to go into their hole. We're going to spend like an hour on all the titles they announced. That aren't coming out.'

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    manufacturing_signal: Deep Root estimated to have been in operation for approximately 5 years without releasing a single production machine, raising concerns about execution capability

    medium · Drew: 'these people have been working there for five years and they've yet to see something come to fruition. I feel really bad for those people.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Deep Root appears to be pursuing primarily original/non-licensed themes except for The Who, potentially limiting mainstream market appeal compared to Stern's licensed IP strategy

    high · Drew questioning Deep Root: 'How come they don't have one licensed theme in here?' Ian notes only The Who has licensing; hosts contrast this with Avengers/Turtles success

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: TMNT pinball noted as extremely fast and difficult playfield with high skill ceiling; Ian reports achieving Final Battle on co-op mode with 12 balls to score ~100M

    high · Ian: 'turtles is still hard as shit holy shit that game is so fast and it's fun'; 'To get to Final Battle, you've got to finish all eight episodes, which I did... almost 100 million. It's respectable... It took me 12.'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Hosts experience decision fatigue when multiple high-appeal games available simultaneously (Turtles vs Avengers); concern that buying one precludes acquiring another preferred title

    high · Drew: 'if i would have known that both of those games were available yes i would have definitely you would have sat with a Keith Elwin yes double impact yep yep sudden death'; Ian researching project pins fears similar FOMO

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Community speculation that Punny Factory (unspecified manufacturer) may release before Deep Root's Raza despite Deep Root's 5-year head start

    low · Chat member Brian Kaz: 'I think Punny Factory will be out before Raza'; hosts agree 'That probably will happen, won't it?'

    • 6:39
    Well, my best friend here got – you know, he is on fire because he actually brought his own booze today.
    6:49
    Ladies and gentlemen, this is a poor man's first. So, yeah, but – I was going to chill the Kessler's more. But in poor man's style, I didn't even buy this. Oh, your wife bought it? Nope. So – Okay. Special shout-out to Ryan Utech. Ryan Utech is a friend of the show. Yeah. He and his buddy from the Green Bay, Wisconsin area bought my stars a couple weeks ago. He came, and he brought me this lovely bottle of Pendleton 1910 Canadian Rye Whiskey. So I opened it up today, brought it here, and that's what Ian and I are drinking.
    7:27
    So Pendleton 1910 Rye Whiskey. That's a lot of words, but more importantly, it's a lot of booze. So I'm pretty excited about that. So today we have not a lot of quote-unquote and the real star of the show, Kessler's.
    7:48
    This episode of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is brought to you by Kessler's Whiskey. Still not brought to us by Kessler's. Nobody drinks Kessler's but Drew. But Drew. The only booze I buy that's in plastic bottles. so today uh we will be discussing you know we we wanted to try to avoid deep root as much as possible but what we thought was interesting about the deep root reveal from the last week was all the titles that are coming out yeah yeah so so we're going to just kind of go through those we're not going to spend a ton of time and i say that but we probably are it will take some time But I will say that, you know, deep root in general, I think all podcasters should probably just follow the rule of we'll talk as soon as they have something on the line. Does that make sense? Can we make that pact? Can we make that a pact? Everyone out there in the pinball media, can we just not talk about them until they're starting? I'm looking at you, Zach and Dennis. Until they start building something, right? Like the line is going. I agree. because right now it's a lot of talk and we have nothing to back it up yet it's cool it's cool don't get me wrong everything there looks cool but we'll get there kids we'll get there don't worry all right so the rest of the rest of today's show uh deep root titles uh we're gonna do our awesome pin stadium giveaway that we've been touting for a week now and we're gonna have more giveaways. So not only are we giving away a set of Penn Stadium lights, we will also be giving away some Poor Man's Pinball t-shirt swag.
    9:28
    We're going to have a little bit of Poor Man's Pinball trivia. Yeah, we're going to do it kind of like our dad joke. We're just going to randomly just start asking a couple questions. So we have six shirts to give away. And we have six questions. Six questions, go figure. That don't pertain to pinball per se at all but to our podcast and more importantly to ian and my relationship yes it's our show it's a show trivia thing so so if you guys weren't if you guys weren't watching or listening all the all the answers are butthole batman's dick you'll be fine yeah you'll be fine uh and then we also have hard we have yet another tribe member induction which i'm excited about number 30 very excited this is three three today yeah i know it's a good number so strong number 33, so we're excited about that. Strong number. We had to get a good one. We have some cool mailbag stuff, and then we'll get going on our way. Yeah, let's go into our chat real quick and see what's going on out there in chat. How's everyone out there?
    10:30
    Let's see. Joshua Roop's in there. I can't make any promises for Scott. I don't know. I missed all the Deep Roots stuff being on vacation. Unfortunately, I think Punny Factory will be out before Raza. That's Brian Kaz. Yes, sir, Kaz. That probably will happen, won't it? Tim Lee, dude, we like speculation and rumors. That's a good point. I've been telling Ian that for years. Wild speculation. Wild. Wild speculation. That's why we're going to go into their hole. We're going to spend like an hour on all the titles they announced. That aren't coming out. Yes, please avoid those numbnuts. Mike Williams, biggest fan of Deep Root, by the way. Pete Quint, is anyone taking bets that one of these ding-dongs has passed out?
    11:12
    Hmm. Only you, Ding Dong. We love you, Pete. No doubt. They don't have a line. It's Octo Manufacturing. Brian Kaz. Octo Bullshit, Pete Quint. All right. So, chat's on point again. Joseph Hood, answer. I wonder what's inside your butthole. That will be the answer to every question.
    11:36
    All right, man. So, where do you want to start this off? Well, shit. You want to do some personal news? Do we have any personal news? I don't really because I've been working like a dog. Yeah, I have a little bit.
    11:49
    Hold on. We've got to have some pomp and circumstance. I laugh every time. That was it? That was the pomp and circumstance? That's the pomp, mostly. So good work.
    12:04
    Well, you know, I'm always thinking about what's next with my pinball collection, right? Like I think a lot of us are. That's not unusual. It's normal. I'm on vacation this week so Meteor will finally get in a flippable form it will but more importantly I'm just wondering what's next still trying to sell some things but I'm not in a rush to buy this time because Avengers kind of took me by surprise and very cool and while it might be in my collection someday I've learned now that if I buy something then i might regret the next thing that comes out oh so you feeling that about turtles and avengers well i told you if turtles and avengers were available at the same time avengers would have won out so just just if i if i would have known that both of those games were available yes i would have definitely you would have sat with a keith elwyn yes double impact yep yep sudden death because the only reason maiden didn't any other junk club and damn movies that can name no okay maiden didn't stick around longer was because of theme but the avengers theme is a much stronger theme for me i got so there you go and it has black panther on it yeah well give me turtles you can uh buy avengers we're good okay okay but with that being said turtles is still hard as shit holy shit that game is so fast and it's fun so here's what i do now okay i cheat i'm a cheater right i play that's why you wanted that glass on the kids no no no no i don't cheat that bad i all right what was it i i play co-op mode all the time by myself oh yeah i can see that i put so i'm like okay i got 12 balls but here's what i did So I'm not perfect, and I'm not a great player yet, but I got to Final Battle playing the four players.
    14:10
    And to get to Final Battle, you've got to finish all eight episodes, which I did. So I was like, okay, I'm pretty proud of myself. And I scored almost 100 million. It's respectable.
    14:21
    100 million is a good score with three balls, by the way. It took me 12. So it is what it is. But, yeah. So, anyways, that's my news. that's all i'm not gonna bore you guys any more of that my big news this week was uh more or less um i'm on to my next project now because i finally finished an arcade project i've been working on for the last three or four months and now that's done and out of my house and money is in the bank so now i really want to i really want a good project pin i really do like a really really good one i'm gonna i'm gonna scour and find it i know it top top five projects what are you looking for oh my god everyone's gonna everyone's gonna fucking laugh at me no no this is personal man this is this is good personal news man if i could score a beat to shit indiana jones pinball adventure or creature from the black lagoon okay i will pay i'll probably overpay for for sure where i can the only problem is those projects don't exist they don't exist that's why everyone's gonna laugh at me yeah well it's not no everyone wants it you're right though that's the problem because either either someone's gonna have a beat the shit one and they're not gonna take less than four grand for it no they'll they'll still want the nine yeah well motherfuckers always want nine yeah but uh yeah that that is the problem so so what what are your second tier not not top tier games all i want baby that's all you want those two those well roller games as well so i mean All three of those are amazing games. Everyone wants those. But no, I already put too much money into a game that won't sell in Laser War. I don't want a Roller Games. But I want a fucking good project pin. I really do. Because that's my next plan, too. Because all these pins I've been fixing up, kind of like Laser War, the problem is when they're fixed up, the value isn't that high. Fucking Frieden's working on a safecracker. Where the fuck do you find a safecracker? Well, once again, if you find a beat one. But you need to have a project pin that's worth six or eight grand when you're done with it. Because then at least if you stick 5,000 into it, you're not. Chris Chandler, top five projects, all God leaves.
    16:31
    Joshua Rupp, sometimes you just get into the groove and show a pin who's boss. Let's see. Oh, shit. I'm right there. I want one of those, too. Yeah. Yep, Ricky. I am Rona free. Thank you.
    16:46
    Let's see here. I was talking about turtles, turtles, turtles, turtles. So Orbital Elberts, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, still one hell of a freaking game and maybe Borg's best layout. What do you think? I totally agree with that. It's fast. It's flowy. It's fun. There is nothing I dislike about turtles.
    17:13
    Nope. Turtles is good. Get turtles. buy it now chris chandler damn heavy pour there ian no it's monday it's good it's good booze it tastes good so all right so yeah that's that's poor man's personal pinball news that's all i got i got a project i need to make room for a project sure well you want to get in these deep root titles man oh we can do deep root yeah so let's try it out so deep root for you guys who don't know uh is there anyone here who doesn't know last week they we'll wait on that last week they sort of revealed what they have coming with raza but then in that share on this week in pinball uh sponsor of the show they uh they they had what six or seven titles that they say are coming out yeah there's a few anymore like 10 i have them all on the slideshow here it's probably gonna go way too fast for us to even talk all of them but i don't have a lot to say about some and then i have a lot to say about others okay so let's go into it all right let's just roll into the slideshow okay let's do it all right so right here on the screen we have gladiator oh and if you're listening it's not in order of that but what do you think about a pin with gladiator a gladiator themed pin there is one it's got leave it's called gladiators oh okay all right it's a fun game yeah um i think okay in the last couple of years let's think about some non-licensed themes okay yeah well a lot of these are going to be non-licensed exactly so you have black knight yeah fun game but doesn't capture the imagination like turtles or deadpool or willy wonka right right okay what else do you have we had heist yep heist came out on a different platform which was awesome lots of cool mechs lots of cool things going on a very cool story does it compel me to buy it once again going up against some of these other themes i'm still struggling i really like it i'm thinking about it i know you are i'd like i'm just laying the the scene out all right lay it out baby so gladiators could like i said the game the gotley game from i think it was the late 80s or potentially early 90s very cool game but it wasn't cool because it was gladiators it's just a fun game to shoot okay so maybe that's where they're going for yeah yep so i can see it though a captured slave who must rise in the ranks of the gladiators of rome sounds like the movie gladiator all right next one's yukon yeti so i'm hearing a few different things so this is a goofy light-hearted gay mischievous and lovable teenage yukon yeti feuds with gold miners blah blah blah i it's way too fast hold on they said it's like a whitewater sequel yes so dennis nordman who's famous for the yeti and whitewater came up with this campy cartoony idea of having these little yeti all over the playfield and stuff cute but is that something you're really going to want in 2021 um 22 depends on artwork for me okay if it's reminiscent of the white water i would okay okay yeah yeah i would actually okay um but you know that's that's interesting you know what i'm excited about that one is the or why i'm excited about that one is the potential of having some straight up nordman ramps again okay wild falls and sandy falls i want to see crazy shit again with the ramps how come no one's done any nordman ramps just just cost right yeah wasn't that an elvira issue yeah they didn't want to cut it back yeah he had some different ramps for elvira yeah they gave him They gave him lame ramps. They said, nope, you get Star Trek ramps. He's like, but I designed them with cool ramps, guys. All right. Let's find out how he sounds. But all right. So Dennis Berman, if you want to be on the show, poormanspinball at gmail.com. We'll take your submission. You know, another thing, too, about the Deep Root games, and if Robert Mueller is not blowing smoke up our ass, he might be, the mechs. Hang on. The parts of mechs might be very interesting. Orbital Albert, we know so very little about the games, it's hard to review. Have you met us, Orbital Albert? We can review anything with any amount of information. We're just talking about how excited or lack thereof of themes. A little bit of information? Big review. Yeah, they don't have a camera on us. Drew is being animated, guys.
    22:06
    But, yeah, I mean, this is about theme and theme only. So don't worry, we're not reviewing the shots on Yukon Yeti yet.
    22:14
    No. Yeah, exactly. Let's go shot by shot. This is a straight down the middle exclusive. Yeah, don't worry. Come on. Don't worry. We are talking about these themes that are supposedly coming, and everyone just keep their panties on. We'll be okay.
    22:30
    All right. Fire and brimstone. This one's interesting. Relive the Old Testament alongside the prophets of ancient times. Build up faith or suffer fire and brimstone under the wrath of God. I think that's some Old Testament shit. I was going to say. Old Testament. but that's mean god shit like that theme sounds very cool but then when they actually start talking about the bible they kind of lose me right yeah i mean i don't know i don't know either man so i have no idea it could be okay merlin's arcade merlin uh is that the one canadus buddy's making or is this a different merlin i think it's a different one yeah yeah wasn't that one called just merlin or wizard or yeah i didn't know merlin's arcade well what's merlin's arcade I don't know. All right, we don't know. No. How excited would you be for a Merlin magic pin? Can I ask the obvious question here? Yeah. So we're seeing this cycle through, right? Yeah. And we're seeing all these, some of them are cute, some of them are cartoony, some of them are fun. I get it. How come they don't have one licensed theme in here? They have a couple. The Who. I understand that. Oh, the Who was in there. That's true. Okay. Machine Age. steampunk so it's a steampunk thing i think you think they're just kind of trying to space pirate theme that might that might float my boat that's that's your but see we've talked about this no offense but people that cater to ian that's not the large segment of the market no ian's like the small you know drew is the mainstream like oh i like flashy stuff and I like Avengers and, you know. Turtles. Yeah. I'm like, bro, did you see Octoberfest? Exactly. So, Deep Root, if you're listening, I know you're listening. I love that you're making my games, baby. If you're making games for Ian, you're not doing it right. I'm sorry. Because while Ian may buy a couple of your games even that it just I don want to be rude I don need money okay so i take that back deep root you not selling two of those games because i i'm trying not to be rude here because i want to see them succeed i really do but i just i'm struggling with this food truck people have said many good things about that but it's fun it's a fun theme like heist is that what where they're going with that fun I don't fucking want it well I how about the who you feel feeling strong about the who well other band pins those are some ugly motherfuckers by the way they really are they couldn't get a better picture of those well ugly rough it goes back to Guns N' Roses coming out right like you know Metallica one of the best selling string games of all time Aerosmith even though it wasn't incredibly well received by everybody they still sold quite a few of them the original Guns and Roses from Data East is well received who else do we have Tommy from Data East another good game Steven Silver, Laser War 2 fuck yes Steven Silver I'd take a Laser War 2 over a few of these but not the title TBD yeah that's Space Pirates badass it's so hard I want to see do you think it was a mistake for them to release all these Oh, absolutely. Okay. From a marketing – okay. It didn't make a lick of sense to me. Ian and I are marketing experts. Yeah. We work for big marketing firms in New York. I don't know if you guys knew this. And in Milwaukee. Both. We commute. But we also do a lot of stuff via email with our many of webs, the worldwide webs. I don't understand why they would tell us what we can get in the future when they're trying to get something off the ground.
    26:28
    Right? Here's the thing that's funny about that, right? It's like, hey, man, I got unlimited money. And we talked about this on my after-party stream after last week's episode. I had an after-party stream. I don't know if you knew that. I fell asleep to that. I was watching it with my pants off. Yeah. It was beautiful. The point that we made, and Steven Silver could probably attest to this in chat because he made a good point too, is if you have unlimited money. Are you not allowed to give stars anymore? Why is that? Jeremy Schmitz.
    27:00
    Jeremy, give us stars. We should be able to. I don't know. Okay. But the – now I'm all thrown off. Oh, yeah. Unlimited money, right? Yeah. And you have designers, and you're given five years. Drew, could you make a game in five years with unlimited money for the masses? I think I could. Absolutely. I think you could. Yeah, I think you could too. And that's, like I said, I am not shitting on Deep Root. I'm really not. I like some of the things I've seen. I really do.
    27:37
    I'm rooting for them. No pun intended. Rooting for the root. But I'm really having a hard time with some of the ways that they're going about this. And no, I'm not a marketing person. I don't know anything about manufacturing pinball, but we got to get one on the line, guys.
    28:01
    So, you know, I mean, talking about this is fun and speculating and all that good stuff for us. It's good fun. But for you guys, it's a lot of these people have been working there for five years and they've yet to see something come to fruition. I feel really bad for those people. Right. Right. You know, you're you're you're an art person. You're a sound person. You're a designer. You're a mechanical engineer. You know, whatever it is, you work at Deep Root. I just want to see you guys get something out there so you can say, hey, this is my thing. And, you know, I did the art for that. I did the plastics for that. Whatever it is, I think that would be awesome. So we're having issues with stars tonight. It says we can still receive stars. So whatever, guys. It's not a big deal. We didn't do this for the stars tonight. Jeremy, you can send me a check to 3600.
    28:56
    Send your 36 cents that way. Yeah. We're fine. Don't worry about it, guys. Don't worry about it. We'll still do this next week. I'll stream some shit so we can get back up to our star level. Yeah. Facebook's weird about the rules. We've got to maintain. We've got to maintain streaming. So it is what it is.
    29:17
    Orbital Albert. I went to community college for marketing and didn't learn much besides I like beer and pinball.
    29:23
    There you go. Cheers, Orbital. You learned something. I love it. Let's give away a shirt. Should we do a shirt giveaway? Yeah, let's do a shirt giveaway. You guys ready for the first question? First, hold on. I got to pull out a shirt. Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Trivia Question for a t-shirt. We are giving away shit. Oh, that's a good one. This is the top dollar item here. This one costs at least $24.99.
    29:48
    It's a $24.99 value. And if you want it, Drew and I can put our ball sack on it for added. So it's our... Our cool skull logo.
    29:59
    I'm having so many issues right now. Ooh. I can smell the t-shirt freshness. Silverball Swag smells like swag. SilverballSwag.com. Don't forget to buy our shit. SilverballSwag.com. Bad swag. All right. Okay. So, guys, ready for the first question? First question, guys. First one gets it wins the shirt. What sexy event did Drew and Ian get into the day we met?
    30:28
    So that is the first trivia question. tell us what sexy event drew and ian got into the day that we met we talked about it on a fucking friday episode and if you guys don't know you guys might learn today we could we can recant today oh billy yj is that the first one josh roops says pinball expo no we met long before pinball expo uh who was the first one no tea bagging the giveaways mike williams says all right mike fine uh so say butthole all right fuck it up hard tight no tea bagging three-way billy why'd you i said this three times so it was the three-way so billy why jay uh i i think i have your address you win a shirt Brian Cosner says Chippendales tryouts. No, not yet. Mike Williams says prom. No, it was a threesome. It was a threesome. Yeah, Mike Williams, it wasn't that innocent.
    31:33
    It was dark. I didn't know what I was touching. Yeah, there was me and two girls and Ian. Thanks, Ian. Thanks for ruining that for me. We should have said, what great moment of Drew's life did Ian ruin for him? So check out if you want to listen to that episode. I highly recommend it. Oh, that's the Valentine's Day episode. It's our Valentine's Day episode. Go back and listen to that fucking Friday Valentine's Day episode. You can find it in the archives of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast.
    32:05
    That one was awesome. We were pretty drunk, and we were having a great time with that episode. Reminiscing. So if you haven't checked it out, check it out. Congratulations, Billy Wadgett. You get a shirt, brother. We'll tell you about all the stories. All right. Love it. A white T-shirt contest? us know rachel i'm not doing that but if you want me to take my shirt off i will uh stephen silver made your butts kiss oh orbital albert really i assume what you found out was in her butthole yeah maybe uh carrie hardy met his wife and best friend in the same threesome no not exactly but anyways moving on okay our first t-shirt giveaway okay this is what's happening anything worth doing is worth doing right you guys uh so do we want to talk about anything else pinball related we got a pin stadium giveaway today we're doing that a little bit yeah um what else is going on guys i don't know you want to talk punny factory yeah a little bit we'll talk punny factory so hopefully you got some cool molded stuff on there yeah it looked like a fun little art package who is that company again do we even know the punny factory so that's a factory it's made in yep you know it's it's one of those things guys in chat help us out yeah they've been sorry joshua rupe you didn't need to hear all that i know i know they don't do that stuff in uh utah utah uh we were young joseph we were young we would do it today but you know whatever uh no joshua sorry joseph joshua punny punny factory they they've been like kind of quietly getting this done right yeah the guy just does not give a fuck and he's like i'm gonna make it because i want to make it is he is he manufacturing or is he putting his things together by hand that's what i want to know i think it's only like what is it um a few hundred or is it well i know but who's making those i don't know i don't know anything about this guy well i know i just know that he had the book deal with todd tucky that went south you know real south uh josh roop dude if you only knew what happens in utah as a story i could tell josh roop tell him on your podcast that's when people want to hear him josh josh i want to hear tell me about your utah stories now i want to hear i wouldn't believe him i want to hear your most sordid story on your podcast i want you to say drew challenged me yeah the title of the episode will be the challenge for the poor man it'll say like josh's butthole all right so the Punny Factory will be retailing at $5,500, so that's a plus. $5,500? $5,500, and we'll be limited to 112 units. Twelve of those units with an engraved Punny Factory logo complemented with a black wood stain finish on the cabinet. So they're just, yeah, twelve of them. So maybe the first twelve. How can they do it for that much?
    35:05
    All the play fields will be identical. As an extra bonus, we will be drawing one of the owner's name for every 25 Punny Factory pinball machines sold for the entire run, the lucky winners will receive a cash prize of $2,500.
    35:21
    So they're going to try to sell these things, and then if you buy one, you get a raffle ticket, basically. Yeah. To win back. Pinball Adventures. So that's who's making them. What do you think about that? Do you think? I didn't think he'd get this far. Well, remember, for the longest time, everyone thought this was like a gag. Well, it's a single-level play field. Like I said, it looks fun.
    35:48
    I don't know about the layout of it as much as – like I can look at Kelts and I can tell that Kelts is fun. And then I played Kelts and Kelts was a lot of fun. This, I don't – I'd like to play it. I'd like to see it in action. I hope there's a video sometime that he comes out and checks it out. But, yeah, high-end wood cabinets. He goes into this Canadian thing. Are you laughing at comments? Sorry. Yeah, Ryan Utech.
    36:20
    They're kind of saying, like, what happened during this episode so far. Ryan Utech's like, they ripped on Deep Root, drank alcohol. There, you're caught up. Yep. Ryan Utech, you should be our spokesperson because that's kind of it. Ryan Utech's like on foot. He's a marketer, too. He wants to be a marketer. Sorry, but to what we're talking about, Billy YJ says, says stern is making a shit ton in each game that's how they're selling them cheap yeah billy yj except this company isn't stern and they're not buying in bulk yes so i'm saying if if stern let's just pretend that stern costs 2800 to build a pro like you know the rumors whatever it is yeah okay yeah so they math they yeah they make a couple grand in each one that's fine but this uh pinball adventures they're only making 112 of these they gotta be spending 4 000 you know what i mean i don't know man so that's just like 112 3d printed parts so they can print that in their afternoon okay okay maybe that's what i'm asking though i don't know he might have found a way i guess but you don't think that's costing him a couple thousand dollars per unit i mean what's interesting and i didn't get clarification on this so i could be talking out of my ass which would be total poor man fashion but um i think ian howard was talking about their board set wasn't going to be the multimorphic boards they're using their own or does anyone know what boards are using because if they're not using multimorphic which is kind of the standard you know the p3 system yeah and those cost four to five hundred bucks a piece or well right but they're easy to program yeah they are with the software that's available now so how do you build a new pinball machine and not use that hardware at this point because it is designed specifically for this kind of shit well it's very interesting yeah it is but i you know what i think honestly i think in today's world though and for all you computer nerds out there let me know if i'm wrong can you do this with a raspberry pi now is that what's in here well i i don't know but i don't know i i know here's what i know about raspberry pi and the only reason i bring it up is because from raspberry pi's first iteration to what they have now you know their computing power has been like 10 times you know what i mean you know they started the raspberry pi like 10 years ago 15 years ago whatever it was and they're on generation four or five now and they're they're pretty powerful machines so you know i i don't know that's why i'm asking i'm sure there's other options now but the p3 does seem to be the standard so right now it does yeah yeah so right tony tony uh greetings from sydney australia hey good day good day tony joe says have you brother jose says running on a nokia running on a play playing snake and that and billy yj says you can and can't with raspberry pie yeah that's like i said i don't know enough about it i just know that the raspberry pies are getting kind of powerful now where you can do different things so uh albert agar agar i do think uh kelts will be more fun to flip and then um Brian Cosner. It was fun. Played it at Expo 2019. What did he play? Kelts. Mike Williams. Kelts was fun to flip. Kelts is good. Joseph Hood.
    39:52
    You know what? It's funny. We played it. We did. And we love it. I actually really still want us to go in on one. Ian and I talked about getting one. Because I do want one. With the poor man's callouts. Yeah, with the poor man podcast. I want to do the whole package where it has us in the back glass and there's custom callouts. Has he shipped any yet? I think the COVID things kind of put that on pause. But yeah, no. And because he's so fucking cool. Hagus is... Damien over there is... He's awesome. He's a fucking stud. His team is awesome. I don't know anyone that says anything bad about Damien. You can't. Because he's a goddamn perfect individual. I don't know. What is he? Like an independently wealthy guy? You know, and Damien, bless him. Damien's another one. Making dreams come true. Like a lot of these guys. Why can't they just get working with American Pinball or CGC and get these things made?
    40:52
    Well, I think that takes two to tango. It does. Three for a threesome. I see what you did there.
    41:02
    Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. You have these great game ideas, right? And you have the game. It's all set to go. Now you just need a manufacturer. those are set up perfectly for that i guess it yeah using part using parts off the shelf like i said between that and a couple 3d printed parts you're probably good to go you find a you find a playfield manufacturer you find like i said you know yeah what's the issue with um oh man i'm losing his name but uh nightmare before christmas yeah it's licensing Yep. Well, yeah, that one's different because it's licensed. Right. So now we came up with a prototype machine. Yep. It was unlicensed. Mm-hmm.
    41:48
    All the parts off the shelf, because you can get them from Pinball Life or whatever. You just get all the coils and everything you need. And then you just say, OK. Maybe that's my new project. Yep. OK, American Pinball. I'm going to call it Indiana Bones. I see what you did there. Unlicensed adventure, action adventure. And the Temple of Boom. Give me the attention. Oh, don't want to hit the boom.
    42:13
    What is happening here? Fucking so dumb. Oh, my God. But I think it would be a great game. That's a Pony Factory title. That is.
    42:23
    We're swirling the drain here. Let's do another giveaway. You got another shirt there? I got another question for these people. All right, we got another shirt that Billy YJ cannot win. Oh, Billy YJ, you screwed up, bro. So, for question number two, who?
    42:41
    Oh, this one's even better. Oh, we got the gray Franchi logo. Oh, that's awesome, man. Gray Franchi. Feels so good. Feels good on your nipples.
    42:54
    Oh, yes. Man, all those shirts, you can just smell that shit from the printing. Smells like China. Yeah.
    43:03
    Smells like the China. All right, so what's the question, Drew? Guys, get ready. Ricky McClung, nice shirt. Yeah. It's a nice shirt. Who was the first pinball professional guest we had on the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast? This was episode four or ten. I can't remember. It was early, man. It was an early one. It was in the first ten episodes for sure. So who was the first pinball professional? So this is someone that actually works in the industry. Hey, Jesse J.
    43:33
    Hi, Jesse. Jesse, you just made my night brighter. Thank you. Who was the first pinball professional guest on the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast? Let us know in the comments. The CGC guy? What does that even mean, Tim Lee? You can't just guess stuff.
    43:49
    And Brian Cosner says, ooh, Eric from Spooky. Kerry. Kerry who? Yeah, we never had Kerry Hardy on. Kerry even a professional? Yeah. First of all, no. We love you, Kerry. We do. So, second of all, Carrie, you don't make the cut. Sorry, Carrie. I'm just kidding. You can be on our show. Yeah, Carrie should be on the show. Carrie, we'd love you. Carrie's our guy. Carl Lutz says, Chris Franchi? Nope, you're wrong, sir. Sorry.
    44:15
    Looks like Cosner has it. Yeah, we're going to give it to Cos. Eric Pripke. Yep, Eric Pripke, Swoopy Pinball, the lead coder on Rick and Morty. He was on our, yeah, this was episode, I want to say four, but I'm not sure. Maybe it was ten. It was early. we didn't know what we were doing but you know what he came to the house he came to the basement and this is why i wish we had a video back then because oh it was he is so much fun he is he is and it's so awkward and i love it i love it so much and he's so really drunk i thought i thought he was awkward and then you know what when you when you watch the tape you listen you're like now he was cool we were just dumb asses again he's and he was so gracious and he's like oh you guys are great and ian and i were he's so great we were circling the drain then just getting drunk and we're asking him these silly questions and he was gracious and answered them all that guy eric prifke we love you man we do love you dude you can come by anytime he's like no he's a devil he's got shit to do and even then he says he has nothing to do uh ryan utek says dan lucen nope but there'll be another question maybe later about him uh dan motherfucking lucen all right steven silver says ian and drew trick question no we're not pinball professionals at all have you met us steven silver spoiler alert steven silver will be on our show next week as uh our guest uh for episode 70 he will be the 10th pinball professional on our show so anyways so uh who wanted to share oh brian cosner you went cause you got a shirt brother so what else we got dude uh I don't know. We're still talking about something. We got into Pony Factory. It's a thing, but we're done. What do you guys think of the Pony Factory? What do you think of the shots and layout of it? What do you think of the artwork? People in chat, let us know.
    46:15
    We'll go right to chat because we'll fill some time there. Drew, you want to talk? I can talk. I've been born to talk. Episode 4, Ted Finlay. Oh, man, you should get a shirt just for that, brother. I thought it was episode 4. It was stuck in my brain. I couldn't. Brian Cosner, yeah, I finally win something. You know it, brother. Jesse J., I only want a shirt if it's been worn by one of y'all anyway. Maximum nipplage. Well, Jesse J., you're in luck.
    46:44
    I thought he was going to. I don't know why, but I almost thought he was going to pull out a shirt that had Jesse J.'s name on it. Like a Jesse J. Pinball Adventure shirt he made with his own two hands, a white shirt, and some crayons. I have a crush on Jesse J. Yeah, I can tell. She's great. Yeah, she is great. You know, she puts up with Ryan C's crap. She's an amazing pinball player. Jesse J., you've been in this hobby for like two days, and you already have a billion on Shadow? Seriously, that's awesome. The girl was a pinball fan before the fucking podcast blew her. Oh, I know. But it's pretty awesome. Jesse J., you're awesome. Oh, my God. Oh, my God, you guys. Don't do that now. I'll be devastated. I don't know what. What? Taking my shirt off? Yeah, I get that from a lot of women. Okay, moving on. Quit being weird, I guess, is what she's saying. All right, we'll do. We'll just get drunk again and talk stupid. Just keep going. All right, what else we got, buddy?
    47:47
    Well, we got the big thing that everyone's here for is the Penn Stadium giveaway. Is that next? Well, that is next. Because we got a lot of submissions. Like, a ton. We say we're giving away a $300 pair of Penn Stadiums, and guess what? We have listeners? Yeah. All of a sudden, everybody wants to listen. Oh, now we're emailing the poor men. Yeah, the week before, we got zero emails and 10 people listened.
    48:15
    All right, brother. I'll sit down, and I'll sit back, and you just tell me your tale. Start reading some submissions Alright so for ladies and gentlemen Boys and girls we're going to do a Pinn Stadium giveaway We should do this at the very end right This makes sense to do it at the very end But we're just going to do it in the middle of the show We can do it at the end Nah let's do it now we already talked about it So ladies and gentlemen Those boys and girls that are listening So last week We said we want Submissions Emails mostly people who want to win a set of Penn Stadiums and what game you're going to use it on. And, you know, just give us something clever. Give us something funny. So we got a ton of submissions obviously So we going to start reading them And then we will decide the winner at the end which I think we already decided but here we are I didn read any of them so I haven decided yet Okay So starting from the top, these are in no particular order. I would love a set of Penn Stadiums for my Creature from the Black Lagoon, Mike Williams. Mike Williams, Creature from the Black Lagoon is a poor man's favorite, but I don't think you're going to win. Sorry. Why not? Well, because here's why. because then he said ignore first email adding why it would look good i would love them for my creature from the back black lagoon according to scott is one of the games that caused him to add the uv lights the ink is uh uv reactive and look awesome with it mike so oh you didn't know that ian's like ian's got he's got a tent in his pants right now then one mike number one then mike sends us another one second entry because my twilight Twilight Zone could really help in the Playfield lighting department. That's true. It's a dark-ass game. Playfield.
    50:07
    Playfield. Twilight Zone is one of the darkest games, period. Well, there's a lot, isn't there? There is. Some crannies. But not a lot of lights. People are like, lunch is in a spotlight. It's like, motherfucker, how many spotlights do I need to light up a Twilight Zone? You know?
    50:25
    You end up getting a fucking Penn Stadium. You'll be fine. so then uh our buddy tim lee mr generous over here that you know what tim lee this is your new name mr generous i'd like to put pin stadium lights on andrew payne's new last action hero his first pin oh tim this one you're a soft this one hits home for me last action hero was my first pin so one of our tribe members andrew payne he just bought his first pin and it was last action hero that's Awesome. Now we got Josh Mudd.
    50:58
    Josh Mudd. What has this guy got? What is he doing? My NBA fast break desperately needs them. Love your show, fellas. Keep up the great work. All right. Mutteritaville. Now he sends a second one.
    51:12
    Hardbody needs some Penn Stadiums, baby. Hardbody. Well, that's because I mentioned it. See, Josh Mudd, you just automatically fail. Sorry, buddy. Get creative, man. Please. But Hardbody does deserve them. It does. Please consider. I do like that pin so far. That pin would be cool with pin stadiums.
    51:32
    You know what? I was surprised we didn't get a Raven request. You know what? Not a single one. I would have loved a Raven request because a Raven request, having pin stadiums on a Raven would be like, I don't know. Awesome. Fucking soup it up a pinto. Yeah. Love it. It's a total epic poor man game. Okay, moving right along. Please consider me for Penn Stadium's giveaway. I have a Jurassic Park premium, and the middle of the play field is so dark in a dark room. It's like you're actually running around the damn island at night dodging dinos, which is great for game immersion but not great for pinball scores. Glenn, I didn't say Raven is the worst game. I did not say Raven is the worst game. We should have asked what's the worst game you've ever done. I've played a Raven, Glenn, and I had a lot of fun on a Raven. So, Glenn, for the record, don't get mad at me. I just would love to see a $300 set of Penn Stadiums on a fucking $800.
    52:34
    And that's like today's prices. But two years ago, you would have paid $150 for that game. There's some games that like Laser War would have cost $200 like 10 years ago. They would have paid you to get it out of their basement. Yes. Anyway, go ahead. Okay, love the show. I would love a set of pin stadiums on my Munsters LE. Oh, wow. The game is already a work of art. Yes, Franchi. So let's show the beautiful pin off even more. I bet it would be awesome on Munsters. Anyways, I love the show. Keep up the good work. Thanks. I want in the tribe. Keep trying, buddy. We're getting there. You're close. Oh, boy. You lost some points with the LE, though. We're poor men over here. I am a firefighter. Married. Dad of four. Four boys. Run my family business. Scudero's Italian Bakery in Delhi. I can make you a delicious pizza and a beautiful cannoli. If you guys are ever in the Chicago area, stop by. Thank you, Tony. Tony, did you just, like, add all the feels to this email? You're like, okay, hey, I need these. Yeah, for my Munster's LE. By the way, I'm a firefighter, and I have four boys, and, you know, I'm raising them on my own. Yeah. I added that part. Yeah. They've been living out of pizza and cannolis. He did say married. Okay. Married. So you're married. You're okay. We'll move on, but we'll get there. Sorry, Tony. Thank you for being a firefighter, though. We really appreciate that. Yeah, thank you for your service, sir. The game I have that would benefit from more light is Woz. Wow, interesting. It is. That one they said has been dark. I think it's a beautiful game, but I can't tell. It's so dark. My kids keep asking me to turn the game on so they can play. I explain. It is on. Really? If you listen closely, you can hear the call-outs. Usually the call-out is not so fast because the ball save is on and I drain it without knowing it. The high score in the game is 15. I think it's a good score because of the JJP. Cheers. Tribe member 16, Steve Johnson. That's good, man. You know how to lay it on thick, buddy. You do. I love it. This is my submission for a Penn Stadium giveaway. My name is Jeremy Schmitz. Jeremy Schmitz, I love you. Hold on, hold on. Before we get there, Steve Silver, I need it on a laser cue to accentuate all the details it would be good on a laser cue I would you know what I think for fun I'm just going to throw my Neo Fusions on my laser cue before I put them on my turtles what do you think I have on laser war not the Neo Fusions no but what do I have though the Neo Hyper Beam yeah the Hyper fucking Beam baby what big on that Scott has anyone said pin stadium more in an episode of a podcast than this one. I don't know. Chris Chandler, Waz is dark as fuck. Good point. This is my submission for a Penn Stadium giveaway. My name is Jeremy Schmitz. We love you. I decided on whether to get a Penn Stadium lights. They cost a little bit and everyone says, just put spotlights. Well, I'm too lazy and poor to do that. Ooh, you're in the running, man. I have two games. I think I'd use that. I'm pretty sure I would agree. First game is Rob's Zombie Spookshow International. It's a super dark play field. It is. Yeah, that is. That shit's like that Vantablack. I know. Like all light absorbs into that game. It's a dark game. It really is.
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    I'm writing your name down, Jeremy. Or a Star Trek Next Generation. That is an original. You put two games on there? Jeremy, shame on you, brother. That wasn't the game. I'm too poor to shop it out or put LEDs in it. Really, Jeremy? Come on. I'll buy you some LEDs, buddy. If I win, you can get either choice of game. pictures attached i was all set before and after pictures which is submission i hope i win and then hashtag make make next next generation great again yeah he's getting there that's a good game though it is it is uh i'd like to be entered to win a set for my shadow thank you for the entry and the show it's great to listen and commute to and from work mike c thank you mike hey guys thank you mike appreciate it the game i'd like to put pin stadiums on is sega's 1997 masterpiece starship troopers oh my god yes excuse me sorry he's allergic to starship troopers kids let's be honest that game is dark as shit not counting the flesh and orange outlining they did regards brian it is a dark game brian i will tell you this i wouldn't want to illuminate that fucker to save my life. Brian, why are you trying to draw attention to that game? Keep that shit in the dark. Put it in your closet when people come over. Move on. You didn't think you were going to get ridiculed for that, did you? It happened. We're poor men. Whatever. Just listen to the podcast. Can't do the live thing on Mondays. That's okay. Cut me in for the Penn Stadium giveaway, please. I can put down my Starship Troopers I'm fostering. Really? Two? who the fuck is going on right now don't only three people own starship troopers who owns that shit hold on we gotta check out all the starship trooper love here chris chandler starship troopers is also dark as fuck the downside is you can see it chris you got us alright I could put them in fostering they make the game better right or I could put them in my firepower and I dropped it. Oh, you know who this is? This is Jeff. Jeff LaGrange. Actually, between me and a couple of buddies at a game. I got you, Jeff. We got a bunch of games that could go on. Party Animal would be good. Yeah, that'd be okay. Riverboat Gambler. Big Guns. Again, man, one game. Whirlwind. F-14. The rules were one fucking game. Move on. You lose. Move on, Jeff. He said F-14. Wait, that one's gone. Motherfucker, we're not here to Learn about your collection. We want to know your darkest game. Well, the joke was I bought a 14 from them. That's true. That's fucking true. That is funny. That is true. Small update. Oh, he... I'm an asshole, remember. No, no. He had a guy from the auto body shop spray over his wavy attempt with the KBS. Yeah. And he said it came out really good. Not perfect. Seems there were some underlying waves, but I'm calling it done. Let it cure a bit. So, okay. So, here's what that is referring to real quick. We went back and forth on emails because when I clear-coated the Laser War, I used the KBS Diamond Clear. The roll-on. Yeah. And I don't remember giving him bad advice, but I might have. It happens. But he had him spray it on. I think what he did was he thinned it too much, and it became wavy. And I said 10%, and I think he did 50%, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So it became wavy. I tried the same thing I used the same stuff on Meteor It's okay It looks good But not as good as the Laser War But I highly recommend it It's a good product It's funny The dimpling does occur when the ball Drops on it But for every other thing It is solid It's a good product Laser War if you don't know The right ramp The ball just plunks the right wire form on laser wire. Anyway, let's move on. Nobody gives a shit about this. They want pin stadium lights. They do.
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    Man, I want to write the perfect pitch to win those pin stadiums. I think the machine I want is not likely to be most compelling, but I'll go ahead and try the truth. I really want those lights in my Jurassic Park premium, I feel for you. That's two. My office, where that baby resides, only has god-awful fluorescent lights that make me feel like I'm playing in an airport. I turn the lights off, blah, blah, blah. I know one day I'm going to put Penn Stadium in it, but the truth, buying the machine tapped me out for a while. So guys out there in chat and Drew, dress dark as fuck? It's pretty dark. Really? Come on, Keith. That center, the center is pretty dark. The Penn Stadiums make it great. New games can't be dark. They shouldn't be dark. I know. But they are. So he said. That's old school thinking. My 40th birthday is November, but I've already used that as an excuse to get my machine so I'll be lighting this until 2021 you sound like me man, I tell my wife I'm like oh it's my birthday, I'm buying something she's like okay, and I get turtles unless you fellas come through for me oh laying it on thick do you think that's a good pitch? should I have said my no fear, my other machine actually has better lighting I just added mirror blades to that one and it fucking pops well, Kirk oh that's Kirk Yeah, he's trying to be a tribe member. Tribe member number 420, he says.
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    Poor men. As a sponsor, I don't know if I qualify for this contest. Probably not. Which sponsor is this? My first pinball machine was Super Mario Brothers, and I still have it. Cool. You know this pin is dark, real dark, which is a shame because it's Mario Brothers. Great thing. Guess what? The game sucks, so no, we're not giving you pin stadiums. Who is it? Is that Scott from pin stadiums? I'm going to be pissed.
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    Doc. Oh, Doc. Hey, Doc Finlay. Sorry, Doc. No, no, Mario Brothers is a cool game. I get it. I just, I want a newer Mario Brothers. I'm just kind of sour on that. That's why. But I get it. Reason two, there are no mods for this game. Yeah, you're right. Go on eBay, go to Miso Mods. There's no mods available. So Penn State would allow Mario and Luigi to see what the hell is going on. Well, Doc, sorry. They're still going to be in the dark. Okay. uh fingers crossed i can add a free pin stadium to my teed off table oh this one was interesting have you played teed off i have played teed off is fun with that cool wheel in the middle absolutely that's a fun game i like it a little better than no good gophers isn't that weird not gonna lie like overall no good gophers might be a little better but I'm going to get ice. But read this. I'm going to listen. Okay. So I'd like to enter... Okay. Adam? You're on the maybe pile.
    62:43
    Good morning. I'd like to enter in a chance to win Pansyium Lights. I've never tried them before in my collection. I think my darkest machine is Batman 66.
    62:53
    Aw, come on, motherfucker. Oh, my Lexus is so dark. Help me out. Motherfucker. Ian is so spiteful for the people that have nice things Ian hates people that have nice things oh I can't I love you guys no he doesn't he hates you he's like you have nice things and I don't Drew's trying to get favorites here I'm trying something greetings poor men whatever submission you've had so far in the giveaway you can go ahead and throw them out because I bring you the most compelling reason of all Here it is. The shadow needs Penn Stadium so I can stare more deeply into Alec Baldwin's eyes. That's Jesse, isn't it? It is.
    63:39
    Don't be responsible for ruining the greatest intimate love story of our generation, guys. You know what you need to do best, Jesse J. Jesse J., you lose. Sorry.
    63:51
    Oh, that's mean. No, but that was a great submission. We can't afford shipping. I was just about to say, I'm being a jerk because we can't afford to send it to you.
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    It's not our money. It's Scott's money. Fuck it. You could win. I don't care. He can send it internationally. Hi, Joe and Ian. I brought my first game last month, A Last Action Hero, featuring a chiseled mug of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Is this Andrew Payne? Yes. Well, it's a game. And I have a sauce box. This was my first game as well. Well, it's a game that features a wider variety of shots and toys. A well-lit play field is not one of them. Crane lock, drops, three scoops, two capture balls, magnets, and a ripper target. I agree, man. A set of Penn Stadium lights has set this thing off. Awesome that you're giving away such an awesome upgrade. Thanks to both of you and your sponsors. Tribe number, number 29, Andrew Payne. You are in the running, sir. We love that. All right, hold on. Catch up with Chet. Tony. No, not a champagne bucket. It's like a lined. What is he talking about? My ice bucket. It's lined. it's like an ice bucket it's meant to be I don't know my wife got it it's got ice so I have an ice bucket from the 70s which I like to use but my wife bought me a new one so I'm just going to use that one for a while Lee Bell Humor Last Minute Earthshaker yeah Jessie J just says frick yeah I know Jessie J I love you Chris Chandler is fucking hilarious duh the shadow it's in the fucking title oh i love it consider the name the shadow it's supposed to be dark ted all right beautiful andrew pain for the win joseph hood huh tim lee he stole it from a hotel all right all right we've got a couple more a couple more guys uh i have a stern jurassic park the desk really needs pin stadiums thanks sean frayden sean why have you not bought pin stadiums yourself pin stadiums are the best lighting upgrade for a drastic silver two ice Bucket's more like a rich man.
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    You guys want to see my 70s ice thing? I'm having to help move my dad this weekend, but I'll try to get pictures to illustrate this tonight. My taxi extremely needs a Penn Stadium. The game is dark. I have to play with the bright overhead lights. I just be able to play my pins. Best part about this is I need custom Penn Stadium, so I sell you guys games. I can't even take them out because I use them in other games. In essence, you'd be giving them to yourself. Thanks, Billy Yeager. Well, Billy YJ, here's the thing. You're buying an Avengers Premium. I know that. So, sorry, buddy.
    66:31
    I'm just jealous. That's all. I would love to put up in studios on my Indiana Jones or Twilight Zones. Both games are dark as shit. Steve. Which ones? Indiana Jones or Twilight Zone. Yep, both dark games. Those are awesome games, too, man. This is one of my favorites. Twilight Zone, dark as fuck, too. So we're learning a lot tonight, aren't we? This is one of my favorites.
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    It's almost last, but it's one of my favorites. Hoping it's not too late to enter. He entered at 11 a.m. today, guys, by the way. He's trying. We said by noon. Hoping it's not too late to enter for Penn Stadium light package giveaway. Here are my two entries in poetic form. Oh, fuck. Two entries, though. There was a poor man from Nantucket who, while playing his Waz, said, Fuck it. It's too dark and I can't see shit. I need Penn Stadiums to get this game lit. Otherwise, I'm throwing in the bucket. And one day while playing Jurassic Park, I noticed the playfield was too dark. The playfield ain't well lit. How am I supposed to see this shit?
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    Penn Stadiums had really hit the mark. Thanks for the great weekly entertainment. All the best. Eric Thompson. Eric, thank you, sir. And then the last one. Hey-o. It's Ricky McClung. Ricky McClung is in chat tonight. Thank you, Ricky. The show always makes me laugh and I enjoy the chat. I have a Meteor, Jungle Lord, and Game Show. All are dark. I already have Penn Stadium on my Iron Maiden, so there's someone who doesn't already have a Penn Stadium. Hook them up. all of us pinheads should be able to enjoy at least one game under the awesome lights look forward to the show tonight ricky mcclung thank you for that ricky ricky bobby so with all that being said ricky mcclung actually said it best so here's what's going to happen well hold on before you get there before you get there i just want to say we've learned a lot tonight about darker games we did so we've learned that we have a lot of selfish uh listeners no we don't uh but we learned Duaz is dark as fuck. Twilight Zone, dark as fuck. You know, those are two of the big ones. Isn't that amazing?
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    Jurassic Park. We had a few of those. So how are we in 2020 with dark as fuck games? Dark as fuck games. Jurassic Park was released last year. Jurassic Park is dark as fuck. It is. Like the center of it. Does it make sense? It's crazy. At all. George Gomez, if you're listening. Yeah. Stern, are you listening? You guys need to light these things up. Light them up, baby. Because, honestly, forget bomb, LED lights are, like, stupid cheap. If you make as many games as you make, you get them even cheaper than me and Drew. Drew and I spend a shit ton on LEDs. You guys would spend a shit ton of pennies. That's what I'm saying. They're already spending, say... Dude, your mic's in your chest and shit.
    69:30
    My chest is talking to you. Oh, I broke my mic. We're spending $150 to fix a game, right? With LEDs? Yes.
    69:45
    Just keep it away from you. Fuck you. Stern. Dude, I'm in reform tonight. Stern. You know, they're probably spending like 50 bucks a game, right? So what is an extra $2, $3, whatever it is? Light that fuck up. They just have to. You know what? Forget Penn Stadium. Sorry, Scott. If they just put a strip of LEDs, you know, anything, anything on the side. See in the back there? Yeah. I'm looking at Oktoberfest right now. Oktoberfest has a strip on the back. That's what I'm saying. Like, how much would it cost a manufacturer to put a couple strips of LEDs to make sure that center isn't, you know, whatever it is. It's just, I don't know. Something's not right. All right. Anyway, I digress. Okay. So, like I said, we learned a lot about what games need pin stadiums and why they need pin stadiums. I hope we kind of got the point across that there is a need in the pinball community to light some of these games up, especially ones that have artwork that we love. We got a Munsters LE, you know. That's an interesting one. Jesse J., I didn't want to show favoritism to my Australian sister. Yes. Sorry. Yes.
    71:02
    Never mind. Keep going. So who's the winner, Drew? I'm going to let you choose the winner, Drew. I know who you're going to pick. There's only one clear-cut winner here. This is why we're best friends. So Tim Lee.
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    So here's the thing. Tim Lee is technically the winner. And he unselfishly asked for us to give him to Andrew Payne because his first game was Last Action Hero as my first game was Last Action Hero. It needs it too, though, by the way. It does need it. And it's a fun one to have. And I had those on Last Action Hero. And it's actually a fun one. So, Andrew Payne, you are winning a free set of Penn Stadium lights. We will be shipping those to your house. Send us your shipping address. We will get Scott to send you out a set of Penn Stadium lights. For all you guys who sent submissions, I really thank you. It was awesome. It was fun. oh my god I'm getting a bunch of text messages now because people hate me that's fine not really it was a joke but yeah Andrew Payne you're getting a set of Penn Stadium congratulations Andrew Payne everybody applause cheese slices we got applause hey cheese slices I love it I fucking love it I'm going to keep hitting it. Thank you, Steven Silver, for our cheese.
    72:36
    This was one of the most... You got everything in your hand. It's all these balls bouncing around. All right. Okay, I'm done now. I'm done. Sorry, guys.
    72:55
    I'm not. You got to hit it twice. Cheese! All right, so Andrew Payne, congratulations. It's all these balls bouncing around. You got it. Drew, you're not allowed to touch buttons now. Let's do a trivia question. Let's get someone in chat to win a t-shirt. They're like, oh, we lost to Penn Stadium. Is there a name for it? Everyone is logging out. All right.
    73:24
    One of my favorite shirts, the dopest fuck shirt. Okay. Oh, another good skull shirt. What was our worst interview according to Drew and Ian By far It not even close We joke about this all the time We struggled with this interview He somebody who been in the hobby for a long time
    73:47
    We had... It was a drunk interview. We were drunk. It was something. It was... Yeah, it was classic. All right. What do we got here?
    74:00
    All right. Tim Lee, wrong. Mike Williams. Dan Lucen. You got it, brother. Mike Williams. Mike, damn it up. Thirsty Williams. You win a shirt.
    74:13
    I'm going to give away one more shirt. So, Jessie J, you didn't win a Penn Stadium. I don't know how much it costs to ship a shirt, but I'm going to give you another option here. Ready? Well, is this for Jessie J? No, but I'm just... Okay. Is she still there? I doubt it. Probably not. She's got to go to work. Oh, yeah. That's right. They're in a different world. Yes. What whiskey has Drew consumed the most of in his life? I like a lot of whiskey. I've drank a lot of whiskey. Oh, this is another shirt? Yep. What have I consumed more of than any other whiskey in my whole entire life? This would be another gray Franchi. Another gray Franchi logo.
    74:58
    Anybody? Oh. Jessie J, I'm glad you're still here and you didn't leave us. She is working, though.
    75:09
    Let's see here. Billy YJ. Chris Chandler. Kessler. How about Ricky McClung? Oh, Ricky McClung, you need to listen more. Right in front. Not doers. Come on, Ricky Bobby. Ricky, I've had doers like twice in my life. I've drank like 100,000 gallons of Kessler.
    75:29
    Just for the right air. On the air. Yes. I've drank like 10 gallons of Kessler but I will say for the record I have drank quite a bit of DeWars here on the air Ian has, I haven't drank that much DeWars Chris Chandler, you've won the shirt we got one more bonus question for another shirt grab another shirt Ian alright, it'll be a skull one guys ok give us two of the five pillars for getting into the tribe. Now, this one is only for non-tribe members. Yeah, you can't be a tribe member. So if you're not a tribe member, let us know what two of the five pillars are to get into the tribe.
    76:17
    We're counting on you guys. No one's going to answer. They're going to be like, I don't fucking know what these guys do. People are way too fucking scared now. It's on camera now. What did I do now? Everything's on camera. I picked the cheapest shit, dude. Ricky McClung.
    76:34
    It's not the cheapest shit. Kessler's way cheaper than Duar. Have you met Kessler's? It's like $15.99 for like a gallon of it. It's a plastic bottle, bro. This is nothing. Yeah, it's the dumbest.
    76:47
    So two of the five pillars. Chris Chandler, don't even answer. You already won. Try another person. All right. So what else we got before?
    76:57
    We have. We're actually inducting another tribe member. Before we do the induction, let's take a cocktail break because I got to piss. Yes, that's a perfect idea. All right. Love you guys. We'll see you in a little bit.
    77:09
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    77:44
    All right, we're back. There's two slices. Well, I'm back anyway. I don't know where Drew is. I think his piss was extra long and extra satisfying. I changed hats because I wanted to represent the Loser Kid Podcast. So if you didn't get one of these hats, you definitely need to get one of these Loser Kid Pinball hats. They are super comfy, and I have a big noggin. So, hey, Drew, how was your piss? It was good. I didn't change hats. We pissed together, actually, so it was good. So let's see what we got here for answers.
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    Let's see here. Jesse J., I was going to say, you're pimping me out now. Jesse J., what are we talking about here? Wait, what? Joseph Hood, Facebook. Ted Finlay, email them. Like us and share our shit. Billy YJ, you can't win, brother. Joseph Hood can't win. Mike Williams can't win. Brian Cosner donating 1,000 stars. You better believe it, buddy. Facebook like. That's one of them. We need two pillars, Ted. Jeremy Schmitz, Facebook and prompt the brand. Oh, Jeremy Schmitz. We're going to put him as the winner. Jeremy Schmitz, you just want a T-shirt. We love you, brother. I don't know why you're not a fucking tribe member, but you will be sure soon, very soon. All right. So, Jamie Schmitz, you win. What are we going to give him? A T-shirt. Skull shirt. Fucking A, brother.
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    I will message all winners, not tonight because I'm all drunk, but later I'll get addresses and we'll ship them out. All right. So what are the five pillars? Let's just go through the five pillars as long as we're talking about them. The five pillars of the tribe. All right, so before everyone goes, who cares? Here's the thing. The tribe means everything to everybody. Whoever joins the tribe, their life changes for the better. They get 10 years off of their retirement. So basically, when they thought they were going to be retiring at 65, every one of them has been retiring at 55. And a million dollars.
    79:46
    Million dollars. That comes with the retirement. They get a loser kid hat. You have to contact Josh, though. over at the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. Sam, what's your iMember? And you get a hat for free, and he pays you $20. And he gives you 1,000 stars. You also get a bottle of Kessler's also from Josh over there.
    80:11
    Josh gives you a bottle of booze, a hat. It's going to be really hard for him because he's in Utah. And a hand job. And then Zach Manny promises you first dibs on an LE. So people's lives have changed. And the LE is discounted to $4,200. Bare bones, bro. Bare bones. Talk to Zach Manny. He knows all about it.
    80:33
    Also, another news. Flippin' Out Pinball is no longer a sponsor of the show. Breaking news. Flippin' Out Pinball has officially rescinded their sponsorship. It happens. It happens all the time. All right. But no, the five pillars, really, honestly, here we go.
    80:52
    Email us. Make sure you contact us. Like us on Facebook. Like us on Facebook as well. That's another big one because we want to know who's listening and we want to be involved. We want to build a community here. And the Facebook like, although you may not think as much, means a lot to us. So Facebook like.
    81:11
    Number, what number am I on? Communicate with us regularly. Thank you, buddy. Through email, Facebook, Twitter, et cetera. Number three, help us grow our brand. Yeah. However you want. Share our shit. Just tell people about us. Yep. Tell your friends. Tell your family. Tell the people on Facebook. Send our links to people. You know, all that good stuff. Because as you can see. Hey, we're kid friendly. Kids love us. As you can see, we're not all about pinball. We're just about entertainment. Well, we're trying to keep it as light as possible. Because pinball is supposed to be fun, kids. Yep. And number four. No members of the pinball media. Whoops. Yeah, that's still being rebuilt again. We're trying to keep it. Ryan Kuiper, Dave Brennan, Franchi, Orby. Whoops. Well, you know what? Like I said, we're rebuilding it. Yep. There's certain things that those guys have done. They've gone above and beyond. For example, the Franchi shirt, the artwork, he gave us for free, which is so generous. Of course he's going to be a member. Orby has mentioned us about 13 times on this podcast, maybe even more of course we're gonna have him on the tribe he needs to be on the tribe orby gives us virtual hand jobs every day virtual hand jobs i love it i just made that up he said the other day that we might be his number one podcast so it was very sweet thank you i love his go okay so number five top secret top secret nobody knows somebody i don't even know anymore All right, so let's get into our new tribe member. So let's go. Number 33?
    82:41
    All right, here. Let's update our tribe list right now, huh? So the last time we did this, Freed and Leapy. Oh, we're on 34. I kept thinking 33. Holy shit. Oh, yeah, you're right. We are on 34. Wow. So this is what it is, man. Here it is. These are the tribe members. We are just cruising around. We're going to need a third column here soon. So these are the people that help us build. Most of these people have supported us since the beginning, which we really appreciate.
    83:16
    They tell people that we're funny, even if we're not. Yeah. I don't know why the cheese slices keep going on. It's fine. So, yeah, to that effect, thank you very much, everyone that is a tribe member because at one point or another you guys have helped us keep on going on. So today we are inducting a man. He's been waiting. He has been waiting for a while. He's been hoping. He's been praying. We've met him in person. We have met him in person. He's a great guy. He is. He's been praying for a long time to be part. I don't know if he's been praying, but he loves us. He has been. This super exclusive And you all know him. You all know him. He is a great friend of the show. He's an even better human being.
    84:04
    A great, powerful Brian Cosner. Brian, welcome to the tribe, brother. I know Glenn's probably really upset about this, but he liked having a joke every week that we haven't inducted you into the tribe. But Brian Cosner, fantastic member of the pinball community. For a guy who's only been in the hobby four years. This guy bleeds pinball, though. He's everywhere in the media. He is. You know, he was a correspondent for Special Winlet. He was a correspondent for the pinball show right now, currently, for American Pinball. He's like the pinball darling. So, you know, when Special Winlet came up with the correspondent idea, I honestly thought that was a dumb idea because I didn't think anyone was ever going to do it. And sorry, sorry, guys. Sorry, Bill. Sorry, Ken. I love you guys. But I really didn't think anyone was going to do it. I really didn't think that was going to be that. But you know what? There were certain individuals that stepped up to the plate and delivered really good, solid information every week, and Brian Cosner was one of them. And he continues now with the pinball show. He's one of those guys who, like, you can't even say something bad about him. There's nothing bad about Brian. The dude is a fucking stud. He's just a nice guy. You talk to him. You like him. Absolutely. instantly yeah he's a solid dude and he's got pinball machines on location yeah and he's he we've we've asked a lot of questions about that he has everybody who owns machines yes wants to know about location he has been a staunch uh supporter of our show he has he's been one of the originals and even though he's one of the original 14 even though he hangs out with that Zach guy. He's hurt him. He hurt him. He's still okay. Am I? Okay. No, uh, Brian Cosner, we appreciate everything you've done for us. Yes.
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    It was a lot of fun. All seriousness, you know, this is long overdue. It is. And to be honest about it, to be honest, the joke about you not being in has been funny to me. We're going to miss that joke. Yeah, I know because we're so deserving of it. Exactly. We're so deserving of it. That's exactly right. And you took it in stride. And, you know, other people would get all butthurt about that. And you didn't at all. You were very cool about everything. And now you're going to find out it's just a bunch of memes about Batman's dick. So dumb.
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    But you're one of us now. No, I'm joking. No, it's one of us. One of us. Yeah, exactly. Google goggle. It is one of us. So, Brian, thank you very much. Welcome to the tribe.
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    34. 34 tribe members. Jesus. How long are we doing this? We're going to get to 100 tribe members. We should stop at 100. Fuck. Ooh, 100. 100 would be a good number. We might stop at 100. But you know what? It's going to take forever to get to 100. How many other tribe members are in other podcasts? Zero. Exactly. So we're going to get to 200. 200, I'll stop. No, no, no. I'll stop at 200. 100. All right. So, very cool. All right, well. All right, Cosner. Welcome to the tribe. We will send you your Batman dick memes and invitation. And the invitation. I've already talked to him about it. Thank you, Drew.
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    I just relish every opportunity to say Batman's dick. All right, so let's get into mailbag. Should we do mailbag? Oh, we got lots of mailbag. All right, mailbag. So we have received a few packages in the last week or so we wanted to share with people. uh ian's got a funny story about this one here so go ahead tell tell the story we'll skip that one we'll go to the first one okay all right uh chris chandler uh one of our tribe members someone we'd love dearly uh sent us a beautiful package he's from texas i don't know if that i don't think it has anything to do with anything he wasn't sending us some texas love oh my god so He sent us a package here. I haven't seen this yet. And I just wanted to kind of let everyone know what we're doing here. And so he got us a... Pooping Pooches? Pooping Pooches calendar. It's a calendar for every month of the year. There is a picture of a dog taking a shit. So... What that is. Chris, that's about right. That is priceless. Chris, this may be the best calendar I've ever seen. and uh he also got us look that's that's a that's a pooping barlow right there for fancy you might want you might want to keep that because you guys are i think kathleen would appreciate she would she would and uh the other thing he sent us was uh their beaver nuggets i don't know if the camera can focus in on those they look almost like uh What are those cereals with the corn nugget things? Corn pops. Are those still around? I think so. Yeah, brown sugar corn meal. Break that open. Let's try some.
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    So, Chris Chandler, thank you so much. So, why are they called beaver nuggets? Fuck if I know. Yeah. It's like a corn pot. Tastes like a beaver nugget. for the else of you listening we're just eating beaver nuggets now where does this stuff come from i don't know but it's delicious it's really good my wife is gonna kill that whole fucking bag i'm keeping this by the way it damn those are good it tastes like for you guys out there yeah it's kind of like corn pops But better. Like caramel corn? Yeah. Popcorn? Yeah. If you did that to the cereal. Yeah. Corn pop-esque.
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    Fucking good, dude. Thanks, Chris Chandler. You just saved our night. All right. What else we got?
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    So one of my favorite guests on the show is a fellow tribe member, Steve Johnson. And everyone remembers Steve Johnson because he's probably our drunkest guest. Oh, yeah. That was a remote episode. That was a coronavirus episode. Yeah, there was a point in that episode where Steve went bye-bye.
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    Yeah, we're like, what's going on? He was with us, and then he was gone. Then all of a sudden. We need these episode numbers. Yeah. Look up the Steve Johnson episode. And there was a moment in that episode where his wife came in and gave him some moon cookies, right? Yeah. Moon pies. We didn't even know what was going on. She just said, here, eat this or something. Yeah, she was worried. He was pretty drunk.
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    And then his wife came in because we were all on Skype. Yes. Go ahead. Well, no, I mean, at the point, it was so fucking funny because he's like, oh, sweet, a fucking moon pie. And then he ate it. And then all of a sudden he's like, I'm glad it's not banana. And everyone remembers that it's not banana.
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    So God bless you. He sent us the whole lineup of moon pies. So we got we got chocolate. vanilla but wait i'll get to it okay salted caramel strawberry and banana so you're gonna probably if you're watching the video you're probably wondering why the hell are they all ripped open and ripped to shreds? Well, Ian and I have not had any. I've had a couple, but I will say this. My wife has the munchies sometimes, and I had to hide these fuckers from her because she has been tearing into them. So this is what we're going to do with the moon pies, guys. So Ian got these, and we were going to save these for the show. I'm going to have some more beaver nuggets. Those are really good. and Ian's wife is like I'm just going to eat some of these moon pies because she's fucking crushing them so you know what we should do alright after this episode we're going to do a taste testing we're going to do a moon pie taste test directly after this episode we'll throw it up on YouTube sound good guys? We'll call it a video game excursion. No, it's a YouTube thing. So we're going to do a taste test. All right. So what else we got, Drew? Anything? Should we wrap her up? Don't forget to buy our shit, silverballswag.com. That's true. Go there. That supports our website. We don't do Patreon.
    93:35
    We try to give you guys something in return. We're not asking for donations to take our wives out to dinner. I'm not saying anyone else does that, but we're not looking to. $500 a month. We're not looking to be supported by our stupid shit. We're just here to entertain and have fun with this, but it does help with equipment, website hosting, all that stuff that kind of goes behind the scenes. So buy our shit. What did you learn today?
    94:03
    We have some other things to do. Okay. Like us on Facebook. Please subscribe. Follow us on Twitter. we let you know when we're going live then too um and also check out our youtube channel we're gonna start putting more and more content on there as soon as we have some time to ourselves to do content but after this show we're gonna do so everyone's asking for fuck it fridays um i think that's gonna kind of morph into our youtube show so i want to thank all you guys for coming out for our live stuff yes it we really appreciate it because it's amazing how many people actually watch us live 675 comments fucking crazy you guys are fucking nuts over there we we thought you know no one watched us live and this and that and you guys come out every week and yeah appreciate it it's humbling i really appreciate you guys and very awesome so what i learned this week um so who do you well first off before we get into that we got some stuff here um well all right so hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on where you got we're gonna get back here all right in chat uh ari jones you have a website so our podcast feed is hosted on a website we do have a host for the podcast. That is a monthly fee. Just to let you know.
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    His wife came in and said, eat this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ted Finley? Yes. Steve Johnson? Yeah, dude. It was so fucking funny because she was worried I think he was too drunk. Because he started slurring way bad. Steve. Yeah, we love him. Chris Chandler. We don't do Patreon. We wear socks. Yes, sir. Rick McClung. Looking forward to my poor man's shirt to land. You better believe it. Rachel, thanks for the entertainment. Of course. It's what we're here for. Rick McClung, forward. I don't know. BillyYJ, record? Record? We're going to record this, yes, for our YouTube show. Thank you for always making me laugh. This podcast always provides laughs. That's all we can do. Brian Cosner, you're a new tribe member. You're going to get lots of laughs. Glenn, I love all you guys. We appreciate you guys. We enjoyed the roast. Thanks for doing it. um chris and franchi you guys are dicks chris and franchi chris franchi i got shit to talk to you about i thought we were going to be on your show when is that coming yeah love this show awesome time thanks guys you're the best all right so um what did i learn today i learned that um beaver nuggets are fucking delicious number one first of all beaver nuggets taste like corn pops but on crack fucking delicious love it um i also learned that this whiskey doesn't need a mixer it's really good uh i learned who is this right ryan you ryan you tech ryan thank you so much that was so good i learned that we almost drank a bottle of whiskey ian did you see this we're not done we got a moon pie episode okay this was a fresh bottle we're gonna put this live to the moon pie thing just so you guys know if you guys want to stick around and chat we're gonna go live maybe again i don't know how it's gonna work i'll probably end this one so it's a fucking episode and then I'm going to go live again. So if you want to stick around and watch Drew and I fucking pig out on Moon Pies. I love it. Awesome. I learned that Chris Franchi is an asshole. He's such a dick. Chris Franchi.
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    That's my man. You are always messing with my man. All right, guys. Thank you very much. Love you. Stay tuned for another live show after this.
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    the views expressed on this podcast don't necessarily reflect the views of our sponsors um obviously they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them so thanks for listening guys have a great day bye