The Data Glove, Strats, Code, and J’s Hackstory…

Bash Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Oct 30, 2024

Analysis

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TL;DR

Johnny Mnemonic deep dive: data glove design, code exploitation, and home vs tournament strategy.

Summary

A bonus episode from Bash Pinball Podcast featuring discussion of Johnny Mnemonic's iconic data glove mechanic, scoring exploits involving the spinner and shared matrix grid, and strategic gameplay approaches including ball reset tactics for home play vs. tournament play. The episode includes extended personal anecdotes about childhood vice presidential campaigns and ends with hosts noting illness delays.

Key Claims

Johnny Mnemonic's data glove is one of the most interesting pinball mechs/toys ever created
high confidence · Host expresses personal assessment of the glove mechanic's design and innovation
The shared tic-tac-toe matrix in Johnny Mnemonic between players creates a significant game balance issue where previous players can block next players
high confidence · HackerJ identifies this as a design flaw: 'The location of the items in the matrix stay the same from round to round. A previous person can block the next person.'
HackerJ considered modifying Johnny Mnemonic's code to address the shared matrix issue
high confidence · HackerJ states: 'If I dug into the code on that game, that was one of the things that I was going to change.'
Johnny Mnemonic has scoring oddities involving the 320 gigabyte spinner that can be exploited
medium confidence · Host mentions 'Johnny has like some kind of scoring oddities that can be exploited involving the 320 gigabyte spinner' but HackerJ questions if this is a failure
Johnny Mnemonic is not frequently used in tournament play, which reduces its overall popularity
high confidence · Host states: 'there's a bunch of games like Johnny where they're not really used a lot in tournaments, And I think it kind of reduces their overall popularity'
The data glove mechanic uses magnetic force to pull the ball vertically into the glove
high confidence · HackerJ explains: 'the magnet almost kind of sucks the ball vertically. It's super cool.'
Most pinball games allow instant ball reset by holding the start button, even on some quarter-play games
high confidence · HackerJ and host discuss that 'on most games, it happens almost instantly' and mention this works on coin-drop machines unexpectedly

Notable Quotes

“It's one of the most interesting pinball mechs and toys probably ever. It's an experience.”
HackerJ — Expresses high regard for Johnny Mnemonic's data glove design as historically significant in pinball
“The real problem with Johnny is that everyone is sharing the matrix. The location of the items in the matrix stay the same from round to round. A previous person can block the next person.”
HackerJ — Identifies core design flaw in Johnny Mnemonic's multiplayer mode interaction
“If I dug into the code on that game, that was one of the things that I was going to change.”
HackerJ — Reveals intent to modify Johnny Mnemonic code to address design issues
“Playing for the highest score possible is not necessarily the same as what you're going to do in a tournament. You're trying to just beat everyone else.”
HackerJ — Articulates fundamental difference between home play optimization and tournament strategy
“I have my strategy so dialed in that I knew when a ball was a loss, when a game was a loss cause.”
HackerJ — Describes mastery-level understanding of Johnny Mnemonic gameplay after extended ownership
“When you owned the game... you kind of played enough to get to the point where you kind of already know what's going to happen and you don't really risk anything it's like you said it's more time that you're wasting right rather than money”
Host — Explains home owner advantage in learning games without financial pressure of coin play
“This may be beneficial to people who don't know this if you play at a free play arcade, though.”
HackerJ — Educational PSA about arcade gaming optimization technique

Entities

Johnny Mnemonicgame George GomezpersonHackerJpersonBash Pinball PodcastorganizationBlack Rosegame Bram Stoker's Draculagame Godzillagame

Signals

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community_signal: Potential code modification project for Johnny Mnemonic discussed between HackerJ and host to address design flaws
medium · HackerJ: 'If I dug into the code on that game, that was one of the things that I was going to change' and references having code reader and ROM chips available
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competitive_signal: Johnny Mnemonic is underutilized in tournament play due to design characteristics, affecting its popularity and tournament viability
high · Host: 'there's a bunch of games like Johnny where they're not really used a lot in tournaments, And I think it kind of reduces their overall popularity'
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design_philosophy: Shared matrix grid in Johnny Mnemonic creates unfair advantage for first player by allowing previous players to block optimal positions
high · HackerJ identifies this as 'the real problem with Johnny' where 'a previous person can block the next person'
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design_philosophy: George Gomez prioritized the cool factor of the data glove mechanic over potential gameplay balance issues in Johnny Mnemonic
medium · HackerJ speculates: 'I'm sure when Mr. Gomez was designing that, it was just like, this is too cool. Who cares about the downsides of it?'

Transcript

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0:00

So here's a little mini bonus from our conversation with my brother who we're referring to as HackerJ. If you want context, go back and check out the Johnny Mnemonic episode number 25 if you haven't already. But yeah, on this bonus we're talking about the super rad data glove mech and then we get into some hacking game code stuff and then high score strategy stuff. There's also a weird glitch in the middle, but I'm trying to go easy on myself, so I left it in. Sorry. So real quick, In the game, there's a glove that magnetically holds, like the ball launches up into the glove and you move it. And there's a little tic-tac-toe grid that you have to basically choose where you're going to drop the ball. It's pretty awesome, actually. That's one of the things I loved about that game when I first played it. Yeah, because the magnet almost kind of sucks the ball vertically. It's super cool. It's one of the most interesting pinball mechs and toys probably ever. It's an experience. When you first see that, then you're like, what? I'm sure when Mr. Gomez was designing that, it was just like, this is too cool. Who cares about the downsides of it? Because it is a super cool toy, and there's really nothing like it in pinball that I can think of. I can't think of, I mean, to me, that's up there, man, with one of the coolest toys or mechs that I know of.

1:43

And there's a bunch of games like Johnny where they're not really used a lot in tournaments, And I think it kind of reduces their overall popularity and you don't see them as often. And Johnny has like some kind of scoring oddities that can be exploited involving the 320 gigabyte spinner. I don't know if I agree that that's a failure. That hack is a failure. I think the real problem with Johnny is that everyone is sharing the matrix. Right. The tic-tac-toe data glove grid. And the location of the items in the matrix stay the same from round to round. Yeah. So a previous person can block the next person. Yeah. So the players can actually interact with each other. So the first person who goes has an advantage. If I dug into the code on that game, that was one of the things that I was going to change. Yeah. You and I had talked about potentially updating the code on Johnny. Yeah. and I can't remember where we left off with that. I remember I have a code reader for that chip already, and I had some chips. Yeah. And then I think we may have... Did you have a source for the... Possibly a source for that code? Because it would have been way easier to get the original source than to dump the assembly and have to modify the assembly.

6:06

So Jay you tend to reset the game a lot like if you don have a good ball one Yeah so I do that because of just the time factor Yeah like over a year playing that game yeah how much time have i lost when i could just reset it after a minute yeah and i used to do it by points i don't do it by points anymore points don't really matter for ball one it's more about hitting my goals okay setting it up yeah setting up for it doesn't necessarily have to be ball one but maybe ball two i'm setting it up for okay so with johnny for instance that would be you know getting your bonus up to three or four x getting hold bonus hitting some throwing stars throwing spikes throwing spikes yeah um maybe getting some extra balls yeah if i've accomplished enough things towards the final goal of you know in that case you know trying to get a high score if I've accomplished those things then I might keep playing but if I just haven't gotten anything done yeah I've wasted the ball then I'm definitely going to reset it yeah the only the only thing about that strategy is it's not realistic for tournament yeah if I want to get good at tournament play then I need to be able to recover from my mistakes and have alternate strategies yeah Playing for the highest score possible is not necessarily the same as what you're going to do in a tournament. You're trying to just beat everyone else. Yeah, I do that too. I don't do it as aggressively as you, and I don't think I do it as purposefully as you. It's more of just like a feeling. Like if I have a bad enough ball one, I'll probably reset it. but it's more of just like, did I feel like that was a good ball? And sometimes even if it's not a good ball, I just keep playing through it anyway. Yeah, because it feels okay. Like some balls just feel cursed. You just have to end, you know, the game is cursed. I mean, by ball one, you just know and you just have to end it. Yeah, and that's how I will play other games sometimes. But for Johnny, I had my strategy so dialed in that I knew when a ball was a loss, when a game was a loss cause. Yeah. So, but, you know, for, you know, my current game, I'll often play more through the game before I can, you know, make a determination. Maybe I'll reset after the second ball if, you know, the first. So maybe you had already owned Johnny for six months or something before you arrived at this, like, specific strategy. Early on, I just needed to play the game and learn it and develop a strategy. I would still reset. In fact, I won't reset every single time. Sometimes I'll go through because maybe my strategy is wrong.

9:14

Maybe there's a better strategy. And so by playing through you know all the way through I pick up other parts of the game that maybe I wasn taking seriously before the ball one reset strategy yeah i think you experienced that when you first own a game yeah because you kind of played enough to get to the point where you kind of already know what's going to happen and you don't really risk anything it's like you said it's more time that you're wasting right rather than money yeah and uh because you know i haven't played uh like a modern game or like a newer game that I've been trying to figure out at home in that way. Yeah. So when I play out in the wild, I, yeah, you know, it's crazy. It's a totally different strategy. Yeah. Like I use the other two balls to practice the shots that I can't hit. Yeah. Right. And it's kind of like an interesting thing because you can just practice it as you're getting your setup when you own the game. Yeah. Right. Because you could just practice ball one again. You're right. It's interesting to think about it that way. And it's probably something that people who don't own games and who have played in quarter drop arcades, you know, going back to at least the early 90s, as long as the game is on free play, you can hold down the start button and just reset back to ball one. And on most games, it happens almost instantly. And so it's not really intrusive to do it. There are some games that have more mechs that have to reset, like Bram Stoker's Dracula. When you did a reset, it had to re-lock a ball in the Miss Multiball. So there was a delay that caused me to do it less. But on Johnny, on Black Rose, on most games, it's almost instant. This may be beneficial to people who don't know this if you play at a free play arcade, though. Right. And maybe maximize your time that way. Save your time, yeah. I just had a flashback to my high score on Godzilla. i'm still salty about that where you reset it yeah and that wasn't a free play it wasn't on free play and i actually leaned into the cabinet and reset it when i was going for a billion and i was like 700 and something million maybe that's a good like psa too is apparently even games that aren't on apparently can be reset by holding the start button i didn't think so i didn't think so i would have not even come close that i you know had i thought that it could happen yeah that yeah i had no idea that that could happen on a on a quarter drop game good to know yeah you'd think they would disable that that's all folks if you can't tell by my voice i am sick i picked up the dreaded expo vid virus and don seems to have caught narcolepsy so we're a skosh behind schedule but uh give us a minute on that we'll be right back we'll be right back.