SDTM Episode 80: Cactus Canyon Continued Pinball Machine Review

Straight Down the Middle·video·59m 49s·analyzed·Nov 26, 2018

Analysis

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TL;DR

SDTM reviews Cactus Canyon Continued, praising its fun code and classic '90s Bally design despite rare availability.

Summary

Zach and Greg from Straight Down the Middle review Cactus Canyon Continued, a rare late-1990s Bally/Williams game later completed with upgraded code by Eric Kripke. They praise its accessible design, fun Western theming, and nostalgic gameplay mechanics that echo Medieval Madness and Attack from Mars, rating it A-minus across most categories while acknowledging its rarity and potential as a future remake candidate by Chicago Gaming Company.

Key Claims

Cactus Canyon Continued was completed by Eric Kripke, who added upgraded code to the original unfinished Bally/Williams game
high confidence · Hosts explain that the game was abandoned in late '90s, and Eric Kripke's completion package is called 'Continued'
The Continued version includes tribute modes that reference other classic Bally/Williams games like Scared Stiff and Medieval Madness
high confidence · Video gameplay shows super skill shot tributes bringing in content from other '90s games; hosts discuss nostalgia integration
Cactus Canyon Continued is very rare with few units in circulation
high confidence · Hosts state 'people to have that game that bought that kit to upgrade it to the Continued series. Just don't see a whole heck of a lot of them out there. They are very pricey.'
Chicago Gaming Company should consider remaking Cactus Canyon with the Continued code
medium confidence · Hosts suggest CGC could include Continued code on a Limited Edition variant, though acknowledge licensing/IP complexity
The game has seven main shots (scoops, ramps, orbits) with accessible layout similar to Medieval Madness and Attack from Mars
high confidence · Hosts explicitly count and describe the seven distinct shot types during gameplay overview

Notable Quotes

“This had so much potential. When they remake this game, I think it may be a big hit.”
Greg@ 6:35 — Indicates host confidence in Cactus Canyon's viability as a modern remake candidate despite its rarity
“It's just fun. It's set up very similar to your Medieval Madness with Mars, again... the Continued portion with the funniness of bringing in something from Attack from Mars and different stuff, bringing in from some of those nostalgic games, those mojo fun, they're just fun and funny.”
Greg@ 27:39 — Explains the appeal of Eric Kripke's code design through nostalgic tribute integration
“It flows right into that series of pins. It is a great, great, solid, good feeling shooter.”
Zach@ 23:51 — Establishes Cactus Canyon as fitting within the classic Bally/Williams shooter design lineage
“I'm afraid that I'd... yeah. So it has a very caricature-y type of art style, which fits that game. It's great.”
Zach@ 20:33 — Explains why the playful art style should be preserved rather than updated for a remake
“It's loaded with different mechanisms, gimmick toys and innovation... none of them stand out as being a classic killer mech on their own they need each other to fill that B-plus”
Greg@ 34:18 — Clarifies rating philosophy: good collection of mechanics but no standout individual feature

Entities

Zach MinneypersonGreg BonepersonEric KripkepersonCactus Canyon ContinuedgameCactus Canyongame Flip N Out Pinballcompany Chicago Gaming Companycompany Medieval Madnessgame

Signals

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sentiment_shift: Hosts indicate strong positive community reception and desire to see Cactus Canyon remade; described as underappreciated game that 'may be a big hit' when remade
high · Greg: 'This had so much potential. When they remake this game, I think it may be a big hit.' Zach: 'people have been wanting to see it and they want to know more about it'
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competitive_signal: Hosts identify Cowboys vs. Aliens mode as one of best multiball modes in classic pinball, comparable to TNA's spectacle, suggesting strong appeal for competitive and casual play
medium · 'that's one of my favorite... It's one of those... what the hell... That's what they walk away from going, Yeah.'
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design_philosophy: Hosts praise Cactus Canyon for maintaining accessible, fun-focused design aesthetic that does not take itself seriously, contrasting with over-themed or realistic design approaches
high · Discussion of why not to alter art: 'I think I would go too much realism... It's not hokey. It's not overdone. It's not stupid. It's got to be in a good way'
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licensing_signal: Eric Kripke's Continued code incorporates tributes to other Bally/Williams games (Scared Stiff, Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars) that may complicate remake licensing if included in future production
high · Hosts discuss: 'they pull a lot of Bally/Williams intellectual property from other machines... it might be difficult for them to gain the rights to... some of that'
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market_signal: Cactus Canyon Continued units command high secondary market prices due to extreme rarity of original upgrade kits; limited circulation creates collector scarcity premium

Topics

Game remakes and restoration licensingprimaryClassic Bally/Williams design philosophy and accessibilityprimaryCactus Canyon Continued rarity and pricingprimaryCode design and nostalgic tribute integrationprimaryPlayfield layout and shot design principlessecondaryToy and mechanical innovation standardssecondaryWestern-themed pinball aestheticssecondaryChicago Gaming Company's potential future projectsmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Hosts express genuine enthusiasm for Cactus Canyon Continued despite acknowledging it's not perfect. High praise for code creativity and design philosophy, tempered by recognition that individual mechanical toys don't stand out individually. Rarity and remake potential drive positive sentiment.

Transcript

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you're one there's your one call out boy so Greg tell the flying people here watching what we're gonna be doing today we're reviewing cactus Canyon but not just any cactus Canyon we're doing cactus Canyon I like the lip curl to continue : ten you home team you'd okay what's your favorite kind of cowboy out there cowboy both is it the same alien or is that the John Wayne there ain't enough what only not the John Wayne there ain't enough room in this town for both of us Bale Grum what about them but I told your mom and your sister I have a brother so what I like to see him Ellie he's not really a cowboy person oh but he's got that long drawn out and I don't know because like you got Doc Holliday you got Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday oh come on it's overplayed but it's freaking amazing get outta here come on you know uh have you seen the new Netflix series by the Coen brothers The Ballad of uh screw or Ricky Bobby no not Richard shake and bake no The Ballad of a damn what is it talk to the people well ed wood was amazing actually what Timothy Olyphant and that that's your nickname did that's kind of crime they'll come back to that because that was Buster Scruggs the Battle of the Buster's croaks no oh my god the coat you like I go in brothers a lot my favorite filmmakers them and maybe Cameron but anyway on Netflix right now maybe the the greatest first ten minutes of a film in 2018 ever I thought it was a serious yeah it's a movie oh but it's like six tales of westerns oh okay okay you know I enjoyed a felony Magnificent Seven I didn't think I'd like that you know sometimes when they compile all the this letter sir that was okay Chris Pratt I know what I did so much the hateful eight Tarantino yeah you know what it was a little what was that I think we're going to the ER I'm guessing that was a stool fall off a stool or we're back we were just delayed and disrupted a little bit by a almost a casualty upstairs as his youngest took a tumble off the old bar and broke an entire cabinet door split it in two I had to turn it off be happy holidays everybody because it coming soon STM condoms and birth control Oh Greg Bone face Oh if you guys could feel the intensity right here that I'm feeling as you can see no color correction needed now it's like my karate chop it it was like it was done on purpose it's a thing what is your wife couldn't say that's just gonna be the icing on the cake Oh God it's your lazy susan okay I mean you know it's not the first time has done that oh really yes knocked it off the hinges before like rip the screws out of it because that's one thing but she's you ones are mom it is Buster Scruggs we're getting back into westerns how you feeling you feeling we're screwed yeah you know this themeing wised it goes nothing with Christmas I don't know what was all your choice you picked it don't say why we paid you because I had it for a while it was rare and people have been wanting to see it and they want to know more about it because a lot of people out there have not played cactus caning continue which is a shame it really is this it had so much potential when they remake this game I think it may be a big hit I thought at first it was it didn't have the code there's no way it's gonna be that good they kind of quit halfway yeah they had a full game yeah they really had a full game great shooting game a lot of toys a lot of mechs call-outs were great maybe it was thinned out and wasn't fully complete ki wise but but it's bigger than it's better than some of the other rare games like Big Bang Bart's that baby III complete blows it out of the water Big Bang bars a full game but Eric Kripke came in and he completed the code on this and called it continued sold that package by use of the P Rock operating system it pulls a lot of cool stuff a lot of nostalgia from 90s pinball yeah it's a very unique so a lot of good stuff going on so that I guess that's why I wanted to review it right yeah four years and we wanted to get a nice big ol review how about that lazy soos still thinking about it alright now we're gonna take you to the overview in the gameplay of myself and cactus Canyon continue to show you a lot of the cool little toys max the continued code and then we'll come back and we'll start to rate this bad boy very interesting and satisfying layout on the sting the continued version was added later by an individual by the name of Eric Kripke this added a lot to the game because it was not fully coded upon release let's do some left-to-right action guys so before we do that though I need to focus your attention down here at the flippers and swings traditional and lanes outlanes but what is different is diverters see that metal diverter those can't come up to catch a ball to start your gunfight when that is done you'll see drop targets 1 2 3 4 that will pop up during that gunfight one of the bandits or the BART brothers will pop up and you have 3 flips on your flipper to hit them essentially you need to hit it whenever that diverter drops the ball rolls you've got to hit that guy if you hit those enough you won't progress through the game steamed up targets to the left light quick-draw and to the right lighting quick drill left orbit so bucking bronco a wild ride ride'em cowboy that is a progression it's not like those are modes first time you hit it you get bucking bronco second time you hit it wild ride and so forth that left orbit is gonna take you up to a controlled gate either it's going to drop you into the pops or it's gonna look you around okay this right here this beer is a target pop that's going to get you toward drunk multiball left rein is responsible for saving poly there's a couple different safe poly modes now the left one I think you're saving poly through a river Antonio Cruz or something like that so again whitewater and a little tribute there you hit that three times that left ramp and you'll start a saved poly mode left frames gonna take you safely to your left flipper the mine now the mine actually moves every time you hit it moves up and down this is scoop scoop is responsible for the extra bubble of course the locking bolts as well okay sinner and sinner ramp is responsible for the saving poly on the train you did it three times and you start that mode whenever you do start that mode the middle ramp shop middle ramp shop will pause this train this train is going to start going and if it gets to the end the train will run over poly killing her it's pretty brutal as well now you can pull the trains crossing or progress by hitting that center ramp but essentially to save Paul you have to hit the left ramp on the red grant okay the center ramp goes up comes around then it goes past this train on this track and safely to your left lever alright your badge toy the nice little ramp there that hits the BART brother right in the face and there's a moat down there whenever you hit in his hat does pop up which is a really really cool feature once in there it will shoot it out of that scoop right there into your orbit and take right orbit hit those three and you're gonna get given to a mode as well okay right the most right shot is actually a ramp you go up it's under it so you can't really see I don't think you can see that it goes up and comes around safely to the right flipper you can kind of see the wire form there satisfying shot it'll go up a little bitty loop right there and come right back down so those are essentially your shots and cactus king what else do you need to know the object of the game is to get to High Noon to get the High Noon you have to light all five points of the badge okay stampede I believe is a multiball should have done my research mother lode can be obtained during a multiball hitting enough jackpots combos just as it sounds enough combo shots giving the Bart Brothers so hit this guy three times you'll start a battle versus one of the Bart brothers you hit so many shots to defeat that bar brother if you continue to defeat all the Hart brothers you won't get to Bionic art he is the last guy you have to beat that bionic Bart to get to the wizard mode okay showdown I think has to do with the drop targets as well you have to have so many drop targets alright those drop targets are the the bar brothers a pop up you can progress your ranking from stranger to partner to deputy - sheriff - marshal if you get the marshal complete that and you start marshal multiball the main multiball here is goldmine multiball and then Stampede multiball and then the continued versions can give you a lot of extra options as well during drunk multiball hitting that enough is going to enable drunk multiball that's where your flippers are gonna switch orientation left controls right right controls the left there's another cool mode in here called cowboys vs. aliens if you get enough tumbleweeds tumble these are your orbits once that control the gauge is down you hit enough orbits and you're going to start Cowboys vs. aliens they're very [Music] how cool is this dubstep now so when you plunge it it's going to go through those it's your land on one now if you hold the flippers you'll get your super skillet up Betty so super steel shot same kind of thing you're gonna plunge and it's going to circle around they're hitting a switch and randomizing I'd just like on champion pub but there are some cool stuff like tribute you land on that you're going to start the tribute of another game such as it's gonna rain the latest on one we got scared stick each of those [Music] very cool and in your game starts monster bad so we get next circus bull terrier challenge me Circle this is cactus Canyon continued our Gregory let's get back into a cactus caning continued developed by Bali Williams in the late 90s this is the one they they kind of abandoned right before that pinball 2000 series yeah I wish they would have kept with this and integrated some screen work at some point online but nevertheless they kind of abandon this you didn't see many go into production and then really rare to continue people to have that game that bought that kit to upgrade it to the continued series just don't see a whole heck of a lot of them out there they are very pricey yes until they're remade they're very pricey and even if they do get remade I'm not sure we're gonna get that continued code added I don't we're gonna see that because they pull a lot of Bali Williams intellectual property from other machines some of the special features so it might be difficult for them to gain the rights to yeah to some of that they've got all the rights but I don't know if they'll want to integrate that into another game oh yeah do you really want to bring scared stiff and medieval madness yeah no what's that in that that kind of stuff is fun though that that's kind of what makes it cuz it's like you said it yeah it's like a nostalgia it's like watching like a like an I love the 90s thing or something I'm like MTV or vh1 like that's what it does it make sense of people that into cactus King you know green theme I don't know I think it does if you maybe if this is one of the first games where you've got the the both codes we're gonna switch where you can play cactus Canyon cuz I or you can play cactus King continue yeah I think they could get the rights from that Eric Kripke no they could probably do that yeah just because honestly think it'd be worth it I think so or do listen listen Chicago do the classic and do it as cactus Canyon then maybe on your le to really separate that le du cactus Canyon with cactus Canyon continued on it that way it justifies pan Kripke for his code and everything else and you've got something truly super special above and beyond a topper for your le but do people think that's gonna be a cop-out you know this this was just a guy doing his own code why are we pushing that through to production this is you know this deserves better maybe but he knocked it out I thought it I think he'll me and I think it just stays with you like if you're doing remakes that's a remake you're not finishing a game you're not polishing it off you you're remaking it they're gonna if they don't do the continue they're gonna have to do something with the regular guy has to do that's very true it's very true because it's bear maybe they do some research as to what was going to go in there and they finish that out yeah but I it's gonna be hard-pressed to finish this code out as good as they continued just begun for nostalgic reasons there's a lot of gimmicks in this code yeah it's just really really fun so let's get into the rating system as everyone knows here we rate on a grading rubric from an A+ all the way down to an F on each category as follows so you start with art oh is this a beautiful pinball machine it's pretty but it's not it doesn't it doesn't blow me away and you know I've talked to enough people honest about you now see I feel kind of good when I get in an art about what people think and everything but they still here I don't because I think the side the cabinets beautiful I like a lot or doubt it but at the same time I don't would you redo the or a little bit if you're remaking this no cuz I just don't know what I would do mmm I don't know what you would do yeah I mean I think I would go to I I would vary too far off from what that goofiness that fun-ness of like Bart and everything I like I think I would go too much realism to a I don't know I'm afraid that I'd John yeah so has a very for caricature yes type of art style which fits that game it's great that does it does you got Paul you got Bart yeah you have the sheriff down at the drain my favorite part of this art package is the cabinet it's a little bold but simple logo on the side that cactus Canyon with that shiny star of that red background you don't get a lot of that red yeah and pinball machines the bad glass itself screams yes II do need it it's looking down looking down the the Old West town now I got iconic imagery with the with the women and the men the Cowboys and the maids it's pretty cool now tell me this and I don't put you on the spot because you're supposed to be put on the spot and I probably should have done my research but wasn't there something wasn't there a cover-up wasn't wasn't there something you could do with the back glass that was different from continued the Cathedral oh no I don't know that I just know what that continued package you get a decal that goes on that bag glass or trans light that says continued see I thought and I could just have made this up in my head I'll reach out to indepen in like a cover-up like her bosom no I thought there was something maybe that that added her something maybe she was was she absent from the regular cactus Canyon and maybe it added her see I could be just like literally made something up in my head so I'll reach out to him and I'll see if I'll let's look for it at the bottom that's more overall art for me I'm into a - just because that cabinets gorgeous it stands out it classic ballet Williams 90s it fits right in there - me with your medieval madness is your attack from Mars even your monster bash it seems like this one of the guys yeah they're so playful - so playful it's just it's not slammed no but neither is Monster Mash no I had to eat with that no yeah it's got Polly right there and middle and I don't mind Polly right no she's a pretty girl and then you get the sheriff that drawing Sam with the badge yeah I'm fine with it you're gonna be yeah just like I said I still just cactus Canyon on the side it's very well done but it's maybe I'm maybe my scores reflecting the nostalgia and the rarity of it yeah are you gotta be careful with that a pin like this is to not get so caught up in this war yeah yeah of it and not you know review it for what it is well then I'll give a minus for that cabinet cuz I think it's one of the prettiest it is memory it's very pretty mmm cuz it doesn't take a lot of stellar re-visit it doesn't take detailed characters that yes it can just be a beautiful layout we don't agree yeah it's gonna be laid out nice yeah it's gonna be pretty agreed let's move on to shots and lay out now based on your score you think this shoots very well you're at an a-minus fun shooter there's a lot to shoot at it's fun not to get into toys but yeah three main yeah and you like rooms I do like I'm gonna be plus okay um the things I really appreciate about this again you're gonna hear it over and over this continues wonderfully with the games that you've all loved the medieval madness the attack or is the monster bash they kind of messed up there with champion pub but yeah it flows right into that series of pins it is a great great solid good feeling shooter yes the orbits are really nice yes one of them gets diverted up to the pops up left yeah but it's an open gate you can go all the way around and because they pull that orbit in to get that right ramp it's a little quick there's a great Corbett very smooth you got the BART shot even the sometimes Center ramps yeah you got to watch out for sinner ramps because they can be a little clunky yes because right it's not at the the great line of the left and right flipper but yeah it's put in a spot that flows really well and it flows right through that train track so yeah that feels good - there's not a lot of side-to-side you got to stand up targets on each side I believe yeah um so they really fill that family I think there's seven main shots yeah which is a lot in that ban seven main shots and they're all distinct shots you've got either scoops ramps or orbits yeah really good it's what made pinball pinball what's that like just the seven main shots I like the way that it's very high snow and the various no no it's not it's not a crammed mm-hmm standard body it and that one stand up target the it's very like scared stiff where you get the beer that pops up or that for all conservative but instead of just doing a stay on target there it's an actuator yeah well that's a toy it's still shot yeah well and it's not super smooth but it it's smooth yeah it is good yeah it just shoots good it's not necessarily a Richy game more than your flowing all over the place with it but it like you said I think medieval I think you hit it on the head with like medieval madness on attack for Mars it's very much those shooters so the reason I'm gonna be plus rather than is the ramps don't do anything special for me I do like that there's three of them but they're very rich II like where they just come up they don't even go to the back of the play field yeah come up and go back down the left and right ramp so with that I do like the orbits yeah my favorite shot in the game is probably the the orbit right of Bart it almost feels like the the reverse from attack from Mars when you lock that ball yes so I do like that your name - its classic Belly Williams feel yeah this thing could be a hit man I think so I'm serious when it before I only game I thought now it's not even if the Western theme is not your your thing it's just fun yeah it's fun and they didn't do it serious you know it is it's like you says that kind of cartoon ature kind of just it almost very cliche cliche of all the Western stuff but it's fun it's not hokey it's not overdone it's not stupid it's can't be in a good way yes that's what Bali will use best exactly as we're moving on to rules and code there's a lot to discuss here you and I are at the same rating on rules and code we're both at a minuses now people are probably saying wait a minute how do you guys rate cactus Canyon continued and a - when the game really wasn't even fully fleshed out and finished that's because we're doing cactus Canyon continued yeah but even so even so I don't know if it's if the the main structure and foundation of that code set is fully fleshed out so how do you give it an A - I know why I do but what do you like about that code the continued yeah please I like that like the thing that grabs me is the the the the code is just it's fun it's set up very similar to your medieval madness with Mars again it's kinda medieval man yes that same kind of sha hit each shot three times and it'll start that mode yes it's like medieval I never get mad about that is some it gets old sometimes but again the continued portion with the funniness of bringing in something from attack for Mars and different stuff bringing in from some of those nostalgic games those mojo fun they're just fun and funny and it's a it's an unexpected surprise the way that they rolled it into what we ain't if what I wish they would have done so on those they're called tributes and they're part of a super skill shot yeah that's how he coded them in so you hold both flippers down and your super skill shot comes on and it randomizes whether you get to tribute or not yeah right you'll see in the videos I've given no it's not a given he's spitting everywhere oh poor table so it's not a given but whenever you land on it then it will bring up a mode almost as if your skill shot is a mini mode that you play just for points only once that's done you start ball one yeah I wish it was integrated into the actual game more I wish you would have won tribute that always comes up in at least one game agree like in a multiball or something or that you almost have to flow into it yeah got to find it so with that I do like the Cowboys versus aliens now this is that's one of my favorite it makes no sense really no but if you hit the orbits enough you start this mode that it's a dubstep music and it flashes like a disco but it mimics the attack from Mars now this isn't them anything mimics the attack from Mars aliens that pop up and you got to hit them but the further you get into the game like just the light show Eric nice job yeah it feels so good in it it reminds me of that TNA that experience you get really like yeah holy crap this is also probably the best mode anybody that's ever played what the hell that's what they walk away from going yeah I know I was reaching out when I talked to Chicago gaming I always tell those guys over there find a way to get Cowboys versus alien even the during the main I don't know if Eric coded this or not but it's called Marshall multiball once you progress through I don't know if it's a mini wizard but much more mobile was it shows like a score real like an oldie em yeah and your switch hits or ding ding ding ding ding ding ding so it's kind of like an e/m so again that's me is the code deep is it is it flesh down yeah but it's got so many cool gimmicks and that it's very novel it's a very novel playing drunk multiball drunk multiball again you're just going for points but if you if you get that going the the flippers reverse yeah right and this was years ago so this is one of the first to kind of do that yes so drum even the beans and one of the beans Moe's ever switches a fart right yes which you can enjoy its last time using beans put beans on the soap this morning on the soap just soak a guy soak your beans man I've already cooked beans in okay what do you soak them in some water to rehydrate your beans before you cook them really how often you soak your beans yeah once the baby hydrate my beans oh being neglected okay there's party modes as well play with so before there was co-op in Tignes there's party mode that you can play with with people yeah that's cool too yeah it's hidden though it's kind of hidden why why I've never played it so party moves that's why I'm in a name - now because of the now because of the layout in the structure of the code or how it's not a lineman no but it's an a - for me because it's just fun it's fun it is like there's no way foot you don't have to describe it you don't have to go into it now if this wasn't a continued yeah it might be a b-minus or B yeah but the a - is a continued series let's move on to toys and innovation now this game is Bally Williams so you know what's gonna be loaded with different mechanisms gimmick toys and innovation I'll name out some of the things that we're dealing with here in toys and innovations we've got that moving mind not like so on top of the scoop so when you lock a ball it's it doesn't just go up and down it rotates almost on a carousel so it it looks like a - I like the mind shot a lot you've got the guns at the apron they're just aesthetic but they hang over the and out limbs looks really really good there you have Bart he's the main bash feature and they get you kind of look like Bart main bash feature he'll go left or right when you hit him his hat flies off his that barrel yeah very much like a Western and then you've got the train that goes around the track when you're trying to save [ __ ] did a little oh yeah and she's coming that train's coming and if you don't get it in time the trains gonna smash Paul you drive over the top and you also have the in Lane diverters I don't know if I've seen this in a game there's gotta be a game out there right to us with two diverters that come up in the inlanes that hold the ball where it says ready draw and you're drawing the cowboy he's gonna shoot you and the drop target comes up that's a toy that's one of my favorite because that's one of those that's what you guys you gotta shoot kids right that's one of my favorite things so a lot of toys you are were you at we're both at the same again we agree on this piece I'm gonna be plus I'm gonna be those three two people wait a minute eggs we're all people you just named all these toys yes b-plus no name what's the difference what why are we at a B+ instead of a name any reason to me it they're their new love doing okay the reason I'm at such a dick do you see our poll lump inside yeah you were really running away on Team Greg over team Zach okay I got another team member you guys are about to say don't just trying to overcome the devastation of the cabinet door okay now it's not bloody nuns bleeding surprising man all right the reason I'm gonna be plus instead of an eight on toys and innovation none of them stand out as this I have to have it Mac or toy that makes sense yeah diverters are cool The Bard is cool the Train is cool the mine is cool but none of them stand out as being a classic killer mech in their own they need each other to fill that b-plus yeah it's nothing when you hit it not to say that it it loses its appeal quickly but it's nothing that continues to keep its appeal yeah you know I'm saying like it's kind of one of those things it's really fun it's really neat but like Zac said they just don't want ya not one stands out on its own like that's freaking amazing I gotta keep hitting that Bart is a lesser medieval madness gate and UFO attack from Mars yes it really is it serves the same purpose to get through that game you really need to hit that a lot yeah but he's ugly I mean I hope they rebuilt that Bart honestly that hitting the the saucer and attack for Mars is a little more pleasing than than hitting bar now though those games have less toys than this game yes so you compensate on cactus Canyon by having not only barb but the other toys yeah but holistically it just isn't there they're cool features they're loaded we expect that from Valley Williams that's why I'm gonna be play and even though it's a sculpted piece you know the guns are kind of my favorite yeah they're kind of iconic to that game like you know if there's anything you walk away remembering about definitely feel it a lot of times it's those guns I can still work like as you don't see that no no not at all no it doesn't block your way though the barrels like Drude arms or anything hey his left arm people always complain about the road blocking an insert no your shots they don't matter no Taylor shot terrible placement of a hand no the only people say that just don't play good pinball so I'm gonna be plus you were to be plus let's move on yeah Marko specialties same-day shipping accessible website exceptional customer service and with over 50,000 different in bulk arts in stock marco specialties is a must for every thimble enthusiast and operator 3 drew pinball machine right by visiting marco speck calm now chromic brass at black nickel a candy chrome at powder-coated the possibilities are endless at pinball plating in dot-com your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of LED products with the best quality LEDs and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at comic in ball calm holy-moly Greg bone music and callouts Wow I like to call out apparently your name plus it's sort of what makes it the cones are cool to music Oh ray I'm in a - a lot of a John Wayne yeah very just yeah but then even Bart each Bart is different so it has a different style if you will there's a Mexican Bart easier probably insensitive nowadays but yeah they are a good call that's even their music the music's good now they could flesh that out a little bit more in the remake and they had one main event and yeah that's a good western it's a good one in the modes whenever you're trying to save Polly Polly you get it all out you get an adrenaline didn't yeah and Polly does good yeah good it's sort of one of those things were that honestly the sound you know the toys are great an actual you know we didn't get into this too much but you know like the the cactuses and stuff in the back like everything yeah be the theme yeah yes that well yeah well theme integration yeah more anything cuz like you got the mind shadow you say this is the sculpted mind you get the cactus isn't everything so you know that that's very nice it's very well he's rated but the sounds it's sort of almost like what what Dwight did with Star Wars with his light shoes okay and everything the way that that that actually the only thing that made it feel like Star Wars a lot of white code yeah in that's what happened with these sounds okay is that I feel the same are one of the most in integral parts of this because it's what draws you in and makes you feel like you said like the Train thing is stuff with Paulie like it actually pulls you into that mode and those sounds make that mode feel like here and a lot of switches are guns yeah yeah so that's what alludes to the world morning hand I think that what makes this feel like the West more than anything is the sounds I think the sounds are what mmm the biggest accomplishment in this pin we go right back to the camp enos of your mitt up I told you I was gonna repeat it I'm like a broken record but this belongs with medieval madness attack for Mars a monster bash it pulls you right back into those call-outs that are campy fun little tongue-in-cheek if you will the reason so you're an a-plus I'm an a-minus i thought i was higher than i would be but for me it's that continued code again the dubstep song during yeah during Cowboys versus aliens is enjoyable I haven't got died I didn't get tired of it when I owned it you never got tired of that song never got tired of the mode or the lighting effects on that also you're Marshall multi Bowl that thrill back to the time of the westerns and what you would have if you had a pinball machine back in that day would be the old EMC actor oh mechanical dinging yeah like I think that some pins are really lacking that that sound I think that they think I think some manufacturers nowadays things would be serious yeah that they can just get away with well it sounds now you're Iron Maiden by stern pinball well I do like some of the demons all outs that they were kind of tongue-in-cheek like yeah flight of Icarus oh yeah that's funny yeah yeah but it's still I mean there's I'm a junior with Iron Maiden pull kind of hippos those caught know these call-outs are better than they are old are a lot better though these are more tongue-in-cheek they dip will still miss the mark even though I still can't get into it I still a side note here whenever people like Kim Cromwell from special ed says that he's been thoroughly enjoying that game I still don't think he's telling the truth I I don't see how people really enjoy that game I feel like I can't and you know this is something subjective no there's no either okay oh sorry sorry sorry gentle George everybody love George okay so let's move on from there two themes no speaking of speaking of theming so what what's the theme this is the Wild West but this has done so in a valley William sort of way you're we're both the same again we're we're really in agreement here a - OH - both of us do you like the Wild West I enjoy it like I'm not a Western I got it watch like Gunsmoke and I didn't watch movies I never got it in any of that Shane yeah so say it was never my thing but I don't mind them I just think that the you know the theming of this not necessarily not saying the Wild West but the way that they themed this with like you said like just kind of that hokey can't be Wild West I really like because it's fun nobody that who doesn't like that who doesn't walk around I will use a Sam Elliot or a John Wayne voice oh well now theme for me I do love the theme the older I get the more I I'm getting old because I'm liking westerns now I like a much simpler civilized world I guess and then yeah theme integrations off the hook on this yeah can we agree on that yeah you look at that even if it's on or off that's a Western no he'll get all Western how many Western pins a lot of older pinball machines were themed around the the Western scheme if you will go far back quick-draw land sharpshooter you get a lot of but none of them integrate like these nineties because you don't have any westerns in the 90s whoa besides what maverick yeah but that's a movie it's more of a movie it was a different kind of western maverick wasn't yeah but you did have to stone in the 90s you had tombstone on the stuff but no I'm talking about like pins though that were all pins yeah though those nothing really wasn't I lost you for a minute under that was a good one Unforgiven was good yeah yeah I agree and maybe that's why that they maybe that's what kind of took a backseat you know because the 90s like I mean he you mean I don't know I just think it's one of those things that it was just a different age at that end of that we were into cool technology we were you know you had your place how look at everything yes it was your game consoles it upgraded yeah Western we just went through it in the 50s and 60s and 70s people didn't want Western stuff no no no no no no and I is that does it does your grandpa everybody's grandpa our dad for many of you loved westerns you know my dad you love watching no no my never watch no no he was a police officer too and he never no really yeah wider I'm Emma grandfather wider might be my favorite Western what Earp's good that's really good you know what Western kind of sucks Dances with Wolves I don't get it people do not get it I don't think that film was very good oh all these how do you like Avatar but not like Dances with Wolves because I'm like avatars like Dances with Wolves but like a great but like Danny poore know instead of Indians and yeah like it's James Cameron completely ripped off Dances with Wolves well I think that you're fine ripping off things if you actually can do a justice and he did yeah I like Kevin Costner though Kevin Costner's fine oh I can but I Vince is good it's nothing laying up freakin sit down watch because it's something kind of wider better not a fan of Deadwood or have you not watched it I've not watched it Hood oh you'll be blown away there oh yeah if you like if you like all that do Deadwood was amazing I'm telling y'all Buster Scruggs it's first time watch that is it's the best filmmaking that we've seen all year it's Greg it's not even close it's not even close I'd intrigues Mesa and Tarantino I hate Tina Tina just hate that I don't hate me I think he's magical I think magic we're getting off track show mother we'll get into it Tarantino your mom pulp fiction Kill Bill the rest and stuff okay I'm gonna a - your name - on theme enjoy billing so enjoyability we're not at ace know we've given a lot of a's throughout this review but we're not at Ace you want to tell people a little bit about enjoyability meaning does it stay in your your lineup do you play it over and over is there replayability there we're yet on how well you enjoy playing this pinball machine I'm gonna be plus and I already good I like it and granted when it's something so rare you know we didn't have you know it's not like that it's set in our houses for I couldn't afford to keep it there long yeah for my kept there long enough for you and I to play the hell out of it yeah so yeah it is fun it but it's not a game that you want to play every day it's not a game that you strive to beat how often you play medieval madness yes what's that same thing it's exactly the halls right there it does it's so crazy at how much it is like those games as fun as it is it's still sort of repetitive I wouldn't necessarily say chopping wood there's a few things you can do all sort of no because it doesn't it doesn't rely on the extended number of hits every time you do start yeah the three shots it's like medieval madness yeah that's right there it's like monster bash the ramps have three things gonna hit it three times yeah it doesn't after you've done three now you gotta do say yeah now you do for nostalgic things that are fun and that we raved about they are still there but when you run through them you know if you were played the hell out of it you run through them so many times you're yeah you know it's kind of like what we were talking about about wall there's always our loaded and everything else but it's not one particular thing it just feels so amazing it doesn't have that contemporary depth and coat yes it just doesn't now we don't expect that much no that's why instead of a see where it no things you're to be plus I met a straight B my reasoning behind enjoyability being in a B all I give a lot of other stuff that's my lowest score is a B now that's because that medieval madness is tech from Mars of the world even the monster bashes I don't go back to over and over again no and what's great is all those are everybody everybody they leave in a small collection no matter how great those games are like every one of those games they leave in a small collection you're old school guys really appreciate them because they're not getting into like family these are great for families yes these are great for locations yes these are great for old school guys that really don't get into the depth of contemporary pins yeah so this is more of a flavor or preference if you will on code rather than anything so we're not saying the codes back no that's just it's it's not really my cup of tea long term and it's my election but yeah yeah you would you would need I would say a good five plus pin collection yeah you're perfect in that yeah go play on that if the price was true my ass can't afford no and that's the other thing you're kind of balancing out is the playability enjoyability am I getting my money's worth out for the price of this no no if you're collecting it yeah with the rarity in mind then whatever but it's not a plate play wise and enjoy ability it's not a ten to $13,000 yeah yeah all right so let's talk about the pros and cons of cactus caning continue and then we'll give the people our composite okay so the the pros loaded loaded its balli Williams yes it's fun and new with that continued feature oh it's beautiful it really is a pretty pin I guess a McCall apps are great so it is a full package yes just as much just as much so as your as its brothers or sisters in an evil man is tax free Mars monster bash that's there the cons price price price is Colin one two and three it is a rare pin so if you're buying this pin you're likely buying it as a collectible but do you know what I think it's gonna be fantastic when if Chicago gaming remakes might be next is that this will be like a brand new pin to 90% of the the pinball world whereas attack from Mars medieval madness all that dull it was playing they still sold well so imagine a pin that exists but 90% of you have never put your hand that's a really good point that that is what the the big factor but this gave me this gonna be no different than a new Stern or a jjp or something that comes out because nobody's really Valley Williams that most people haven't played yet exactly win it I think people are gonna fall in love with it just as they did yes the other ones yeah if they can come in at a six thousand dollar price point like they made with mr. bash this game I think is going to it's gonna be crazy but can they do that if they have to develop that code more and put more into code can they do that I don't know I don't know either because again there's a lot of toys and stuff like monster bad this was a later run of what they're ever gonna really remake yeah Greg so that means that they're probably throwing more in this than they have you know the shadow of the world or the the Johnny mnemonics of the early nineties yeah it's gonna be rough but we'll see we will see so the cons price another cone is the depth of code yeah as these remakes continue to come out for collectors like us that really like to get far into a game a little bit of the repetitiveness yeah there's a little bit a little bit of that lack of depth which is okay yeah nothing wrong with them but if I'm paying some big prices you know it's gonna be hard for me to pick this it doesn't have to have great day I mean look at a hobby I like the Hobby the hobbits grown on me a lot but again there's so much depth and it's so long like ball times hobbits kind of like a pun I guess Oh since I interrupted yours gonna cut off your conversation I was done yeah so five pins five hence unless you don't play pinball much then they could be your only pin no it's all there no ice no what now it doesn't only pin if somebody didn't play much pinball they just wanted one for the family you wouldn't recommend medieval madness oh yeah they abysm they a bit literally you didn't if you weren't a pinball person it just says game room next they're skee-ball next to their 401 yeah but yeah I mean yeah give that what the top we're gonna look like on the remake whenever they remake it some pistols I think I might like that pistols probably yeah but is everything so pcs ours they can't go pistols I put them six shooters up there no everything's PC we might not get guns hell he might take them off the apron nope six shooters hope God name games about shooting people alright so let's give our cumulative grades pew pew we're both of B pluses yours a little higher than mine at three point five three and mine is a three point four nine I think it's a very fair score for cactus Canyon continued yeah yeah like a tumbleweed so you're gonna buy this game that's the thing about that topper I mean I don't know you gotta buy it for what I sell mine for sell mine for oh boy a lot of money a whole lot a lot of money I bought it for a lot of money or sold it for you know well I would maybe buy it use this fun I'd like to own it right now you would no no I'm not about to pick its remade he'll know I'm on it now you kid these people know me you know me how much does this pin worth to you and the current lineup the current market if they were mass manufacturing this how much how much is it worth is it worth the other remakes is worth a little more earth little oh he's right there at the other remakes I don't know if you can go over the other remakes because why not because medieval madness you saw the greatness of the castle that's a great that was like $7,000 for standard I know that yeah I mean yeah they keep going down I don't know I mean Monster Bash is still loaded i I would still put it in a six maybe seven thousand dollar range it's six or seven dollar standard yeah yeah I know up from there yeah I'd be with that yes that feels good it does feel good that's a good price point for an Ellie honestly cuz I don't know if you could this is the cheapest Ellie that a manufacturers making right now yeah so I think Chicago game is price point is on par dude if they're steps holding up and it it does well then I I think they're kind of a very under look to game-changer in the pin world just think they could use the code just think great what these pins would do if they could change the code these things shoot better than anything yeah shoot good alright so I'm gonna be plus you're added B plus what are these fine people need to is you guys are seeing are how they line up with everything here what do these people need to do from now until next week 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