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Stern Dungeons & Dragons FIRST IMPRESSION LIVE!!!

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·47m 30s·analyzed·Jan 3, 2025
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TL;DR

Kaneda skeptical of D&D pinball's theme relevance and $13K LE pricing despite praising dragon mechanic.

Summary

Kaneda hosts a live first-impression stream of Stern's Dungeons & Dragons: The Tyrant's Eye reveal, expressing skepticism about theme appeal, game complexity, and LE pricing despite acknowledging strong mechanical features like the animatronic dragon. He criticizes the lack of day-one FOMO, LE cabinet aesthetics, and worries the choose-your-own-adventure/save-game mechanics feel disconnected from traditional pinball appeal, predicting poor secondary market value similar to recent Stern releases.

Key Claims

  • Stern has lost day-one FOMO on D&D; the game won't move LE copies quickly like recent hits

    high confidence · Kaneda's direct analysis: 'I—I have no FOMO about this game. I have none...this LE is not gonna move.'

  • The D&D story was written by Stern (Dwight Sullivan and Zack Bros), not Wizards of the Coast Dungeon Masters

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'This was not penned by you know the Dungeon Masters at Wizards of the Coast...Dwight and someone else at Stern Pinball—they wrote the story for this game.'

  • Dragon features (head movement, flaming pinballs) are only on Premium and LE, not Pro

    high confidence · Brian Eddy in official reveal: 'On the Premium and LE, not only does the dragon's head move in multiple directions...he can also shoot flaming pinballs out of his mouth.'

  • D&D features procedurally generated content that resets every Sunday, creating a one-player/subscription-like experience

    high confidence · Brian Eddy: 'The game is procedurally generated, meaning all the randomness in the game is predetermined and changes every Sunday.'

  • Kaneda worries the game will depreciate heavily like recent Stern releases (Venom) and won't hold value like James Bond or Foo Fighters

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'I'm just—I'm telling you right now, this $13,000 LE is just not gonna be a game that holds better value than James Bond or Foo Fighters.'

  • Dragon wings were supposedly removed from the game because Stern couldn't make them work mechanically

    medium confidence · Kaneda: 'I—I heard that the thing they yanked out of the game—um, is the wings of the dragon. I think they wanted to have dragon wings flapping, and I don't think they can make it work out.'

  • Kaneda has no emotional connection to D&D theme and questions how many casual players will commit to $13K for a game they don't love

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'I just don't know if anyone really cares...I don't have any emotional connection to this theme at all...I don't think the theme is is gonna like make a lot of you go in on one right now.'

Notable Quotes

  • “I feel like Stern Pinball needs a hit. I feel like they need a hit, and I'm worried about this game.”

    Kaneda @ early in stream — Sets the context for his analysis—Stern is under pressure and D&D may not deliver.

  • “What moment of Dungeons & Dragons are you like, you can't wait to see how they translated into a pinball experience? That's the thing I'm—I'm nervous about with this game.”

    Kaneda @ pre-reveal — Articulates core concern: D&D has no iconic 'moment' like Lord of the Rings or Big Lebowski to translate into pinball.

  • “I think the FOMO on this game is gonna flame out faster than a dragon fires a pinball.”

    Kaneda @ post-reveal analysis — Blunt prediction of failed LE hype cycle and weak secondary market demand.

  • “I don't think the theme is is gonna like make a lot of you go in on one right now. And that's it. I—I don't think it—there's nothing I don't like about it, but there—but this isn't anything I wanted.”

    Kaneda @ post-reveal — Captures the central weakness: lack of personal/emotional investment despite acknowledging game quality.

  • “For 13 grand, they don't even match the color of the armor with the color of the T-molding on the backbox. For $13,000, they don't even paint the coin door.”

    Kaneda @ LE critique — Details perceived lack of premium finish/attention at flagship LE price point vs. competitor offerings.

  • “Once the LE doesn't have popularity, the rest of the titles, gang—you're—if you buy new in box on a game without a lot of demand, you're losing thousands of dollars.”

    Kaneda @ market analysis — Explains the systemic risk: LE failure cascades to Pro/Premium demand and resale values.

  • “I have no FOMO about this game. I have none.”

    Kaneda @ post-reveal — Direct statement of market sentiment failure—the absence of fear-of-missing-out indicates poor launch momentum.

  • “It feels like a one-player experience, you know? It just feels like something if you owned it, uh, you'd have to really want to do that every Sunday.”

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyKanedapersonDungeons & Dragons: The Tyrant's EyegameBrian EddypersonDwight SullivanpersonGeorge GomezpersonMichael Dorn

Signals

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Theme licensing (D&D) does not guarantee collector appeal; lack of emotional/nostalgic connection undercuts premium pricing even with mechanical features.

    high · Kaneda: 'I don't have any emotional connection to this theme at all...I just don't know if anyone really cares...I don't think the theme is is gonna like make a lot of you go in on one right now.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Gameplay complexity and video-based dungeon crawls create 'un-pinball-like' experience; Kaneda worries casual/location players will find it alienating vs. classic rule appeal.

    high · Kaneda: 'The complexity of how to play it...is going to be something that feels very un-pinball-like for a lot of people...this choose-your-own-adventure, save-your-character...feels like a one-player experience.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: LE cabinet color/finish misalignment: armor color does not match T-molding; unpainted coin door; lack of premium attention to detail at $13K price.

    high · Kaneda: 'For 13 grand, they don't even match the color of the armor with the color of the T-molding on the backbox. For $13,000, they don't even paint the coin door.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: D&D story created in-house by Stern (Dwight/Zack Bros), not in collaboration with Wizards of the Coast IP stewards; potential disconnect from canon expectations.

    high · Kaneda: 'This was not penned by you know the Dungeon Masters at Wizards of the Coast...Dwight and someone else at Stern Pinball—they wrote the story for this game.'

  • $

    market_signal: LE failure cascades to entire product line demand and secondary market value; poor LE popularity predicts rapid depreciation across all tiers.

Topics

D&D theme appeal and emotional connectionprimaryLE pricing ($13K) and perceived value vs. competitorsprimaryGame mechanics complexity and accessibilityprimarySecondary market depreciation concernsprimaryFOMO hype cycle and day-one demandprimaryAnimatronic dragon feature implementationsecondaryCabinet aesthetics and finish quality at premium pricesecondaryProcedurally generated content and save-game mechanicssecondary

Sentiment

negative(-0.68)— Kaneda acknowledges mechanical quality (dragon, playfield toys) but is deeply skeptical of theme relevance, LE value proposition, and market viability. Predicts poor FOMO/hype cycle and secondary market failure. Tone shifts from initial frustration at early reveal timing to critical analysis of design philosophy and pricing.

Transcript

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they're not gonna snake Canada not gonna happen Stern I know what your plans are you're gonna try to show this game without me ready it's not gonna happen it's not gonna happen I'm ready I'm ready to go we're gonna get everybody in here right now share screen let's do this oh yeah we're ready to go we've got this down locked we've got everybody ready to go copy link I'm gonna go to Facebook right now get all my Facebook cronies in here right now join right now try to snake me H join live now for DND First Impressions all right let's post this let's go to patreon now I can't believe they're trying to snake us people it was supposed to be it was supposed to be later than like it was supposed to be like in a couple hours I hear now they're going to give people time to think about whether or not they want the Le so that countdown clock was just for Le sale so you're going to get some time to think about it I don't like it I don't like it we're live now we are live now people I want to get a drink in me it's only a it's before noon Stern is revealing early early I wish they would let us know so as content creators could like actually plan I think that I think they're doing this yeah they let the other content creators know Gomez told me it was like one o'clock Central Time which is two o'clock here I I feel I feel like Canada's live DND revealed Impressions let's do this let's publish this oh is this not okay I don't know we're live now we're live now I don't know what's happening everything's going on I got everything open at once everything's open at once we're gonna see what let's get Sterns YouTube page go be on their Facebook page but we're we're ready to go trailer get that out of here how's everybody doing vodka and orange juice we might have to go get it we might might have to go get it I'm telling you right now I'm not I'm not happy they're doing this early I'm not happy hold on a here The Necromancer Boys The Necromancer amulet all right we only got 31 people here let's let's get more people on Facebook here join over this this is ridiculous this is ridiculous this is ridiculous hold on uh we're letting everybody know like join here join YouTube We're Going live we're going live we're going live I'm going live here I'm going live there we got 41 people here they're not going to snake us people Stern's trying to I I I'm I'm on YouTube I'm on YouTube and I'm on Facebook right now but we're gonna we're gonna keep it on go to YouTube all right go to YouTube because I'm not going to do this on Facebook I'm gonna go get a drink we got I think we got 11 minutes people how's the sound right now 11 minutes until Stern pimball shows us whether or not the tyrant's eye is worth it how's everybody doing happy Friday I know it's early I didn't want to do this right now I don't want to be on this right now I wanted to be having some like whiskey and talk for an hour now I'm I'm hearing that people are going live with their first impressions in like 10 minutes I I don't know what that's about join on YouTube people this is a terrible video okay I'm I'm closing out I'm closing out of go to YouTube go to YouTube I'm closing out this Facebook all right right all right we got 49 people get everybody else in the house let's delete that let's delete that I'm going to get a little a little Manhattan people hold on a second I I need a drink before I see this game I don't know about you but I need a little bit a little nip a little nip all right hold on a I feel like we need something good CU it's new PIN launch day have they have they launched it yet I feel like all right everybody we we in the house we ready for this well here's what we're drinking here's what we're drinking we're drinking the yamakasi baby the yamakasi Tyrant eye just a little tiny Ice Cube in there let's have some all right just a little nip a little nip to get to get all of this in the mood because I think we've got nine minutes now I thought I had an hour I was in my bubble bath you know me oh that's about that's a $50 that's a $50 glass of whiskey in a restaurant Brenda here we are ah at least pronounce your drink right what it's not yamazi yam oh yamazaki oh yeah that's right yamazaki yamazaki baby yamazaki I'm all fired up baby I'm about D and is it g to have enough in it Canta everybody happy Friday by the way oh the 12 year is sweet oh the 12 year goes down beautifully like I hope everyone's uh ready to see this new game th this is GNA be an interesting moment Stern Pinball I feel like they need a hit I feel like they need a hit and I'm worried about this game I'll tell you why I'm worried I just don't know like how most of us are going to have an emotional attachment to D and D I mean I went and bought this t-shirt today I did not own this t-shirt um I hope the artwork looks like this but I I'm just what I'm worried about with this game is you know when you when you think about when you make a movie pin and you know you can't wait to see how they translate those moments in the movie You Love so much you know big labow is a perfect example of that Tron is a perfect example of that Star Wars is a perfect example that Lord of the Rings is a perfect example of that what moment of DnD D are you like you can't wait to see how they translated into a pinball experience that's the thing I'm I'm nervous about with this game is like I just don't know like what they're going to do and and what stuff you even want to see now you could argue that that's actually working in their benefit because it's going to lower your expectations of this game but boy man man oh Mano shevitz like this game I I I'm really hoping we see some magic when we see this game the dragon on the premium andle is full motion you can bash it from all sides and it and it retro Ralph like what what are you doing buddy what are you doing I I don't need info uh it's in the CH like we're going to see it in 10 minutes retro Ralph I don't get it like do you have the do you have assets retro Ralph I feel like Zach Sharpe like hooked up his his boys W with with content and assets and I I don't really care man I don't really care I want to see it when everybody else sees it my my worry about this game is that a lot of it's going to be on the screen like going through Dungeons and choosing your own adventure and and whether whether or not that's going to work um yeah so retro Ralph does not have the stuff so look I I heard that the thing they yanked out of the game um is the wings of the Dragon I think they wanted to have dragon wings flapping and I don't think they can make it work out so gang gang grab a drink I I think we might only have five more minutes and we this this might not happen in five minutes and if it doesn't uh then we're going to go back and I'm going to go back in my bubble bath and I'll see you guys in an hour but I I think this is the moment I I think you normally new Eastern Standard Time you know 11 11 Central sounds about right doesn't spit the balls on the pro what's up gentlemen we got 91 people 91 one sad souls in here right now I don't know I I just I can't wait to see it I can't wait to see it I can't wait to see if if this is um this is what we're drinking this is what we're drinking always I always annunciate this the right way the yamazaki yamazaki 12 people at 11:56 a.m. before noon I'm drinking no breakfast in me we're keeping it classy we're keeping it Canada style this is what your patreon subscription money goes to aiding and abetting my terrible adult Behavior come on people you know $5 a month ain't going to buy bottles of yamazaki 12 you can get the basic stuff but come on we got to up the Annie baby raise the roof people who's in the house right now we got uh the dragon the dragon is gonna Fireballs ah yeah yeah man hey let me ask you guys a question just be candid how many of you in the last five years have encountered a buddy or a friend who is like yo bro let's talk a little bit about Dungeons and Dragons how how how's that ever happened to you in the last five years have you ever walked into a bar and someone's like yeah yeah man I don't care about the game on I care about the DND the new D and D book that just dropped how many of you know anybody who's been waiting for D and D I'm just curious like I know there's like a billion people out there playing it uh but or not a billion people a billion dollars it's definitely not a billion people I'm just curious like who's gonna like go all in Brenda there's like a huge truck blocking our driveway no is that am I just making this up like what is that delivery next door I played tons of D and D from age 15 until 29 what happened at 29 man is that is that you know you finally got some action I know what happened at 29 you're like yeah you met a girl you met a girl like isn't that what happen isn't that how it works with Dungeons and Dragons the moment you stop playing is the moment you meet a girl makes sense it makes sense that's the moment you stop playing I feel like the moment you stop playing D and D is the moment you lose your virginity I think that's how it goes right isn't that how it's supposed to go all right let's see sounds like okay let's let's get this Stern I don't know is it going to be on Stern's Facebook or is it going to be let's see Stern Pinball let's go to let's let's get all our bases covered I can't even see I need glasses is do I not have Stern Pinball on hold on stern here we go all right I got Stern's I got Stern's Facebook page and their YouTube page on repeat or on like re and I I'm not selling me on X-Men St I'm tired of looking at X-Men trailers um all right so here we go one is it T minus one minute ah let's watch it together people don't cheat it's up already where is it up where is it up I don't see it I don't see it where is it up it's not on their website it's on their website right now all right let's go hold on a second why is it not on YouTube Stern Pinball you know why why can't it just be on the social channels oh here we go it is up okay game trailer all right we're gonna hold on people don't cheat watch it with me watch it with me here we go here we go don't right okay you guys see this can you guys see this all right let's watch it let's watch it together here we go you may choose the character is going to be critical hit a dungeon sheld prepare to die W of Relentless let's finish this God all right let's um let's watch that again cuz I I honestly it was wait is there a character was there a character from Monsters Inc on the side of that cabinet at the end all right let me let me watch it again okay let me watch it again let can we watch it again all right this this you may choose a character this is going to be fun oh critical hit a dungeon Shield t for prepare to die R are Relentless let's finish this all right I kind of want to stop it here and go back and talk to you um a lot I'm trying to like just look at it play the next video let me go on Stern tube I I just wish like let's video oh here we go all right the next one okay hey everybody it's George Gomez at CERN pinball and we're here today to celebrate a storied franchise that has entertained players for over 50 years I'm thrilled to present our latest game done Jons and Dragons the tyrants eye players will go on an epic and thrilling adventure into Forgotten Realms to battle iconic enemies including the most advanced animatronic dragon in pinball wrath the Relentless this red dragon intelligently reacts to player action with multi-axis motion and features omnidirectional impact sensing technology all while breathing fire in the form of pinballs in addition into an array of flowing ramps and shots the game highlights some really cool Playfield toys that bring Dungeons and Dragons into the pinball Universe you'll notice the gelatinous cube with magical magnet ball interaction a player controlled Shield device and of course disappearing dungeon entrance a sword is only as strong as the one who wields it the tyrant's eye is brought to life with custom speech and voice Talent by a star studded casts including Michael Dorne come here tasty traveler Luke GX nothing is impossible Kevin Smith enough talk let's finish this Brendon Small we meet again Matthew Mercer you are being attacked by a gelatinous cube and many more we are prepared for this the art on the game was created by prolific Dungeons and Dragons illustrator Vince Pro pretty good the music was created by world renowned video game composer Cris Velasco most impressive and now lead game designer Brian Eddy and software dungeon master Dwight Sullivan will take you through the pinball adventure of a lifetime ah it begins what I really wanted to do in this game is Journey the fantasy world of D and D is so rich and full of incredible stories places characters and of course monsters and traps so how will you choose to navigate the world you are on the road to darkhold we've really tried our best to integrate with pinball at the start of your first game players will be able to choose from four characters each character will have their own buff within the game for example the wizard has longer Shield time each of your saved characters will have their own progress I'm proud to fight alongside you just like the openness of DnD D the game story changes based on your choices we have a map on the Playfield you'll be able to travel about our map all you want you can play different Dungeons and wizard modes you can also buy things from fsmo our in-game shopkeeper he has different things to sell at different locations on the map so you got to remember where the big ticket items are our game has a story The tyrant's Eye our writer Zack Bros and I spent months writing a story and then we took that story and we turned it into all of the modes of the game it all begins with Tiamat hatching a new plan to escape her banishment you can't have a d and d game without a fierce Dragon right and we have the most amazing one ever in a pinball machine the red dragon wrath the Relentless I see you running away on the premium in Le not only does the dragon's head move in multiple directions which allows him to avoid getting hit or to block Playfield shots he can also shoot flaming pinballs out of his mouth okay well maybe not actual Flames but it's going to feel like that in a battle face by R you and your party are of course trying to steal Ras Gold by hitting the three Bank under him and then trying to hit his head to defeat him that's my treasure wrath is really brought to life by the incredible voice Talent of Michael Dorne I will consume you making him one of the most iconic pinball villains of all time do you dare challenge me there are also multiple overlapping and cascading ramps so it feels like you're going on a journey hit the road to town right ramp to travel or take the shortcut Loop to the upper flipper the game features an up down ramp that leads to a gelatinous cube that just like the monster in D and D will grab the ball with an electromagnet and freeze it inside the cube you are stuck the player must then come to the Rescue by hitting it out in time before it's devoured we have a Dungeon Crawl feature that lets you travel through a dungeon looking for the award room The Dungeon Crawl is unique because it's part physical shots and part video where the player makes choices on which direction to go at e Junction it could lead to an amazing treasure room attacking monst ERS or even a dragon don't go in there the game is procedurally generated meaning all the randomness in the game is predetermined and changes every Sunday you'll have one week to learn and explore the game you'll learn where the Dungeon Crawl leads you you'll learn where fsmo is selling different items on the map then on Sunday you'll have a whole new gaming experience it will start all over there are many other elements that pull you into the fantasy world there are little details everywhere on the Playfield during your travels you be attacked by monsters an owl bear where you can shoot the critical hit captive ball critical or find the hidden temple shot behind the upper flip for double scoring on the Pro Edition players will experience a lot of the same action and flow in the immersive world of Dungeons and head through the power of Insider connected we're integrating our new PIN save system with each new game you will pick up where you left off you will start on the map where you ended your last game even in the middle of a dungeon you can decide not to have your play saved you can play from the beginning every single game if you want to it's all up to you let's finish this we are Beyond excited for you to experience the fantasy world underglass fusing pinball with the iconic franchise like never before make your choice get ready to roll with the new Dungeons and Dragons the tyrants eye at Stern pinball.com all right sharing um okay so we we all saw that wait wait what happened did did you guys see stuff black oh no it was black screen chat I've been blacked the entire time oh that sucks all right well I'm sorry guys I don't know why it was black why didn't okay I should have gone back all right all right well I watched it sorry guys you all get your $ five back shoot I should have I should have came back all right so here's the deal here's the deal go watch the video go watch the video I don't know I don't know why it was black screen the other thing worked right did the other thing work the trailer all right so is streaming privacy no I just think it's something with this thing I don't know all right let's talk about it let's talk you guys have all seen it right all right you all everyone come back come back it's all right my black screen did not did not prevent you from seeing the whole video the trailer worked all right so sorry about about that gang so you had a six minute black screen all right cadaa fails once again in his YouTube Endeavor this is why this is why I don't even I I I'd rather just do Facebook but anyway all right so here's the thing here's the thing I just saw the whole thing and I I think like if let me let me be candid I I really do like the mechanical stuff in the game I think it's great I do think the the like like the complexity of how to play it the complexity of how to play it is going to be something that feels very unpin ball-like for a lot of people um and I just don't know if anyone really cares I I gotta be honest like I just don't know if this kind of Choose Your Own Adventure save your character you know continue where you left off in the dungeon is like really something that you want to drop this much money on so I don't know once once dght started talking right you get you start to get real nervous I'm sorry about the black screen guys I know that you guys went to go watch it somewhere else I'm sorry welcome back um for some reason I don't know why it didn't share that one but it shared the other one so here's the thing I think the fomo on this game is gonna flame out faster than a dragon fires a pinball and I I don't really think the Le artwork I don't like the Le artwork to be honest that side image of it if um it looks like the it look for some reason it looks like the it looks like the character from Monster zinc so I uh I you know look I I think a lot of us are going to jump on this game have a good time on location with it I'm just not I I don't have any emotional connection to this theme at all it it's like I think here's the thing it's like and this is this is what my worry was about Dungeons and Dragons is like it's like I don't love Dungeons and Dragons so when they put something into Dungeons and Dragons I don't feel like I'm getting what I wanted I don't feel like there was anything missing I just feel nothing I feel like all right a little numb right the dragon is definitely a cool Mech from Stern Pinball definitely a cool Mech I think standing over this game is g to you know make us smile and and have some fun flipping it uh but you know I just worry about the whole choose your character go into the dungeon and get into these like random video modes and then every Sunday the game like resets or changes and gives you new like ways to explore it it feels like a like a one-player experience you know it just feels like something if you owned it uh you'd have to really want to do that every Sunday uh I again now I I just think an hour from now are any of you ordering an Ellie of this game like I that's it like I don't know that to me that's modern Stern now it's like when you hit it out of the park you you know it makes you I don't I don't know why you would order an Le though I just don't I don't I don't I I don't I I just I don't I just let let me try and pull up the images of the games because I think I think that'll help I like that it's a three- flipper game I like that um let's view game let's see all right I'm trying to I don't want to black screen again I want you I want us to be able to see it hold on that's weird it's weird CU like the the images on their website are like rendered like that's so strange to me were you guys aware of like a gelatinous Cube and everything like I I like I just think this looks let me let me let me stop here let me know if you guys can see the screen can you got all right can you see this screen it's not black right you can see the screen I I just I'm looking at this translate I'm like this is just really bad I don't even know like what what's like like what's happening here like what's with the green I don't does that like light up differently I I don't know the art on the game let me go to the side art too see if I can 740 all right hold on I don't know if the screen okay okay like I like I just see here's the thing here's the thing is like I I think Stern Sterns hole model you guys know this like Sterns hole model requires them to have a an Ellie everybody wants because if they don't get around the Le then distros and dealers don't need to like order their bulk order because you know if I'm if this thing is GNA be worth $10,000 gang in just a month or two I I'm just I'm telling you right now this $133,000 Le is just not gonna be a a game that holds better value than James Bond or Foo Fighters I I don't even I just don't like the Le art I I like it should have a huge dragon on both sides not this Monsters Ink dude that nobody's aware of like I don't understand like it okay I guess that's the tyrants eye so this and and so this is what makes me nervous is that Dwight and someone else had Stern Pinball they wrote the story for this game this was not penned by you know the DN Masters at Wizards of the Coast and so I think Stern Pinball created this character I could be wrong this might be a character within the D and D world but this Tyrant IE guy is featured predominantly on the gamees cabinet on the Ellie trim of the cabinet so okay I I don't know so this is a d and character I I don't know it it's Mikey yeah it's Mikey the Tyrant I mean like come on guy like this just doesn't look good that's a Beholder Beast okay so you DD nerds out there so so you D and D nerds out there that are correcting me um does this excite you I'm looking at you guys in the chat because I have no idea what the heck this thing is again no idea I I don't know DND characters the beholder is the second most well-known DND monster after you know the Dragons by who do you guys know this all right fine I don't care like dudes like you can make fun of me all you want because I don't know who the DND D Beholder is like cool I never played D and D I was busy playing Super Mario Street Fighter Neo Geo I was busy riding BMX bike riding you know Tony Hawk skateboards I i' never sat down and was like looking at the beholder so okay cool my bad my bad don't attack the messenger you guys got your Beholder Le now that being said I still think it looks like crap I still think the Le cabinet doesn't look great I just don't okay I'm allowed to have my opinion so you know the black coind door like again gang gang I I don't know what to tell you man like it does this look like a $133,000 like this side's way better I mean the the images they have on on their website are not the best the dragon side is obviously better you know what's throwing me off these are rendered which is annoying like this is a rendered shot of the mech like look how rendered and stylized that is this is throwing it looks it looks almost CGI like AI generated um yeah I don't know like H like that's not rendered it looks rendered doesn't it doesn't that look rendered to you that doesn't look right to me I don't know maybe it's me I don't know maybe it is me I don't know it's the way they took the photo okay I I I'm getting the sense how do you guys feel like I I don't know Josh are you ordering one I I get this sense that certain people like there's things I want to give Stern credit for here but I still think it's a a theme that most of you are not going to plunk down 10 to 13,000 on and that's that like and again like I think it's a game that if you wait and see you'll be able to pick one up for thousands of dollars less and I think once you start to see gaml and and realize that this is going to be even slower when it comes to like more complex and deeper than normal pinball experiences I I just don't know if you're all going to be on board for like a Venom 2.0 kind of thing and then you've got Harry Potter and King Kong right around the corner I I don't know gang I'm just let me just be candid here like I think there's some stuff in this game I really like nothing is like blowing me away at these prices and I again I just don't like I don't think the theme is is gonna like make a lot of you go in on one right now and that's it I I don't think it there's nothing I don't like about it but there but this isn't anything I wanted and I look at all of pinball right now as a very personal thing I don't have any personal connection to Dungeons and Dragons so and and Dwight did say they created their own story so I I just think give give yourself a few hours I don't like I just think Stern like what what what's confusing to me now is is they've lost the day one frenzy like no I I have no fomo about this game I have none like I I'm I don't understand how anyone would be like I'm in on an Le I don't even think the Le looks good I mean think about it for 13 Grand they don't even match the color of the armor with the color of the t- molding on the backbox for $133,000 they don't even paint the coind door for $113,000 spooky pinball paints its coind doors spooky pin ball gives you a Topper spooky pinball gives you a lot for $10,000 I'm just I'm looking at it through the lens of for $133,000 this Le is not gonna move and because of that everything is connected to the Le frenzy and once the Le doesn't have popularity the rest of the titles gang you're if you buy new in box on a game without a lot of demand you're losing thousands of dollars now that's the way I look at it I like look let's talk about the game all right I like the dragon I let's pull up the game I want to pull up I wish they had just like a a great shot of above the Playfield they really don't I'm like looking to find so we can talk about the actual like what's in and it's it's a lot of closeup shots I'm looking for just a top down view of the game and I'm really struggling here Stern marketing team where's just like the overhead view of the game I I I'm struggling to find one I'm I'm going through all these are their photos I might have to go on their Facebook page I think the third photo yeah but it's not this is not the full it's not the full let me go on their Facebook page let me see if Stern's Facebook has better images gang hold on one dragon all right I mean this is pretty much the game I mean there's not much in the there's not much in the the lower Playfield it's all just the map so let me let me see if this works I don't go black screen sorry about the black screen guys for please forgive me can you see the dragon nope no nothing black screens happen Okay black screen all right hold hold on let me try again I think it's Facebook gang let's sh how about now can you see it now okay all right okay all right so like looking at it it's not a it's kind of a fan layout but not really a fan layout we've got a upper right flipper we've got a lot you know I like the I like the cave that the dragon head is coming out of uh that big luminous block geladen block that freezes the ball is kind of cool I I like the Fire and Ice sort of combination going on here I like the uh you know I I like that there's a lot of dynamic movement in this game obviously way better stuff in this game than John Wick way better stuff like I think it's like when you walk up to it and you're like DN d d and d nerds out there correct me if I'm wrong do you guys know what this gelatinous brick is is that a thing in the D and D World I'm a little surprised there was no d right there was no spinning of a 20-sided die that you that that's anywhere in this game so I was a little shocked I didn't see any of that yes the G gelatinous cube is quite well known Okay g gang here's the thing if you love DN D then you are in luck because they made the game for you I think if you don't like DN D or don't care about DN I don't think you know this game is GNA sort of like win you over the way a game like Iron Maiden won you over if you don't love Iron Maiden music so that's that because again like I don't think you're GNA want to go on this like you know Choose Your Own Adventure level up and save your character start where you left off pinball experience I think for D and D fans yes you're absolutely going to love doing that um yeah I just I think this is a DND fans like dream come true I think for everybody else out there it's obviously it's a new pinball machine it's going to Peak our curiosity we're gonna enjoy playing it um but I you know I don't I just again I I feel bad because of where Stern's price Model is at it's impossible to avoid the question is like do you see the value in buying one right now because remember that's what it all comes down you gang like this company needs to sell new and box now and what you know knowing the market and knowing what's in this game I I like you it's it's weird because to me all pinball is fun and when you like you have to somehow take fun out of the equation and think about like whether or not it's a good buy um if okay it's a good question evil dead or DND D if you had to pick one I I will I will say this if I had to choose between Evil Dead and Dungeons and Dragons I probably would just stick with Dungeons and Dragons because because again like I just don't like Evil Dead movies like I I think Evil Dead is a miss and I think DND D is much more like iconic and sort of works better for most people's desires so I I think Evil Dead ah you know look gang gang here's the thing you know spooky put out a newsletter and they um you know they didn't even sell 700 yet evil Deads and the reason why is because it's Evil Dead Stern is going to sell more DND DS in in you know in a week then spooky will sell of evil debts I don't think they're going to sell a lot of this game though I don't I don't think this game is going to be a barn burner I don't think orders are gonna are GNA roll in for this game I think here's here's My worry is I think when you see more of like how the code works and how the game play works I actually think it's going to turn off more people than it turns on because I just don't think most of you want another like Venom 2.0 save your adventure as you're going level up kind of pinball experience I think you want something that hits a little bit more sort of instant and direct so I I don't know I don't know I get nervous when I hear Dwight starting to talk about the game because I you know because I could said I can feel it I can feel that he's done something
  • Spooky Pinball's $10K LE offerings include painted coin doors and toppers, while the $13K Stern D&D does not

    high confidence · Kaneda: 'For $13,000, Spooky Pinball paints its coin doors. Spooky Pinball gives you a topper. Spooky Pinball gives you a lot for $10,000.'

  • Kaneda @ mechanics critique — Questions whether the save-game/dungeon-reset mechanics appeal to location players or casual collectors.

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    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Venom Pinballgame
    Harry Potter Pinballgame
    King Kong Pinballgame
    Zack Brosperson
    Vince Properson
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    James Bond Pinballgame
    Foo Fighters Pinballgame

    high · Kaneda: 'Once the LE doesn't have popularity, the rest of the titles, gang—you're—if you buy new in box on a game without a lot of demand, you're losing thousands of dollars.'

  • $

    market_signal: Official reveal images are rendered/stylized rather than production photography; Kaneda questions authenticity and photo quality of marketing assets.

    medium · Kaneda: 'These are rendered, which is annoying...This is throwing it—it looks—it looks almost CGI—like AI-generated...Doesn't that look rendered to you? That doesn't look right to me.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern content creators (Kaneda) left uninformed of official reveal timing; ad-hoc coordination caused scrambled multi-platform stream setup and technical issues.

    high · Kaneda: 'I wish they would let us know so as content creators could like actually plan...Gomez told me it was like one o'clock Central Time, which is two o'clock here.'

  • $

    market_signal: $13K LE price point perceived as unjustifiable relative to Spooky's $10K offerings with superior finishing (painted coin doors, toppers).

    high · Kaneda: 'For $13,000, Spooky Pinball paints its coin doors. Spooky Pinball gives you a topper. Spooky Pinball gives you a lot for $10,000.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Dragon wings reportedly removed from design due to engineering constraints; feature cut to meet production timeline.

    medium · Kaneda: 'I—I heard that the thing they yanked out of the game—um, is the wings of the dragon. I think they wanted to have dragon wings flapping, and I don't think they can make it work out.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Dragon animatronics (head movement, flaming pinballs) exclusive to Premium/LE; Pro tier lacks key mechanical feature despite $11K+ base price.

    high · Brian Eddy: 'On the Premium and LE, not only does the dragon's head move in multiple directions...he can also shoot flaming pinballs out of his mouth.' (Implied Pro lacks this.)

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community FOMO collapse on D&D LE: Kaneda explicitly states zero fear-of-missing-out despite $13K premium pricing, contrasting with typical Stern LE launch patterns.

    high · Kaneda: 'I—I have no FOMO about this game. I have none. Like, I—I don't understand how anyone would be like, "I'm in on an LE."'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Save-game mechanic via Insider Connected enables progression-based gameplay with weekly resets; procedurally generated content shifts D&D toward live-service model rather than static classic pinball.

    high · Brian Eddy: 'The game is procedurally generated...changes every Sunday...You'll have one week to learn and explore the game...Then on Sunday, you'll have a whole new gaming experience.'