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SDTM Episode 77: Halloween Special - Monster Bash Remake LE Pinball Review

Straight Down the Middle·video·1h 0m·analyzed·Oct 30, 2018
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TL;DR

SDTM reviews Monster Bash (Remake LE) remake; calls it a show-stealer with A/A+ ratings across design, layout, and toys.

Summary

Straight Down the Middle hosts a Halloween special reviewing the Monster Bash (Remake Limited Edition) remake by Chicago Gaming Company. The hosts praise the machine's art package, shot layout, toys, and rules/code design (all rated A- to A+), discussing how CGC successfully modernized the classic 1998 Williams title with expanded displays, new animations, and RGB lighting. Pricing tiers range from $6,000 (Classic Edition) to $8,000 (LE), and the hosts predict strong sales despite the high cost.

Key Claims

  • Monster Bash (Remake LE) was the show-stealer at Pinball Expo for the hosts

    high confidence · Zack and Greg discussing their Pinball Expo experience; both independently claim it 'stole the show' for them

  • Monster Bash machines were selling for close to $10,000 before the remake

    medium confidence · Zack states 'these things were selling for close to ten thousand dollars before this remake came out'

  • Monster Bash (Remake LE) will likely sell out

    medium confidence · Greg predicts 'I think they'll sell out like this' referring to the limited edition production run

  • George Gomez's layout design is considered his masterpiece and the gold standard for fun shot layouts

    high confidence · Greg: 'this is Gomez masterpiece right I think it's the best shooting Gomez getting a tourism' and hosts identify Monster Bash as setting/representing the standard along with Medieval Madness and Attack from Mars

  • Lyman F. Sheats Jr. designed the rules/code for Monster Bash (Remake LE) remake

    high confidence · Greg states 'this is rookie Limon as is finest Lyman F. Sheats Jr.' when discussing rules and code

Notable Quotes

  • “I thought it's gonna be monster bash right we've seen some pictures of it we knew it wasn't gonna have anything like over-the-top crazy additional to it but I gotta say Greg this thing might have took home the show for me”

    Zack@ 19:16 — Zack's surprising endorsement that Monster Bash LE exceeded expectations at Pinball Expo

  • “they just had him over there rather than white and then they unwrapped them and let's play them and that probably had ones along its lines of the weekend surprised the heck out of me”

    Greg@ 19:54 — Greg credits the low-key reveal strategy for the machine's impact at the expo

  • “to take it and to make it even more beautiful... that's what they did”

    Greg@ 20:13 — Emphasizes CGC's approach to modernizing a classic game while preserving its legacy

  • “this is Gomez masterpiece... I don't know of a bad feeling shot in this game”

    Greg@ 26:41 — Defines Monster Bash as exemplifying ideal shot layout design principles

  • “you're not getting a lot of bricks no there's not a lot going you're gonna hit something in there whether it's creature if you hit a little too far off the tip”

    Zack@ 27:17 — Praises the layout's forgiving nature and accessibility for players of all skill levels

  • “the playfield is a little bare... there's not a lot of art to the playfield”

    Greg@ 24:00 — Critical observation that playfield art lacks detail compared to cabinet/backglass aesthetics

Entities

Chicago Gaming CompanycompanyZach SharpepersonGreg (Wolfman Boneham implied)personGeorge GomezpersonLyman F. Sheats Jr.personDwight SullivanpersonMonster Bashgame

Signals

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    product_strategy: CGC employs three-tier pricing for Monster Bash LE: Classic Edition (~$6k), Special Edition (~$7k), and Limited Edition (~$8k), with progressively exclusive features (expanded display, animations, custom topper, placard, powder coat) at each tier

    high · Hosts detail each tier's features and pricing; structured to appeal to different market segments from budget-conscious to collectors willing to pay premium for LE exclusivity

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    market_signal: Original Monster Bash machines were trading at approximately $10,000 on secondary market before CGC remake announcement, suggesting strong collector demand and nostalgia premium

    medium · Zack states: 'these things were selling for close to ten thousand dollars before this remake came out'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Both hosts had low expectations for Monster Bash LE remake (skeptical it could improve on original) but were surprised and impressed after playing at Pinball Expo, calling it a 'show-stealer'

    high · Zack: 'I thought when I went to expo I thought it's gonna be monster bash... but I gotta say Greg this thing might have took home the show for me'; Greg echoes same sentiment

  • ?

    design_philosophy: CGC's approach to the Monster Bash remake emphasizes enhancing the original's visual presentation (expanded displays, RGB lighting, animations) while preserving the core gameplay layout and rule design from the 1998 Williams original

    high · Hosts note CGC 'nailed it', describing the remake as taking a beautiful machine and 'make it even more beautiful' without 'over-the-top crazy additional' changes to core gameplay

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Transcript

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1:03
you you [Music] welcome to straight down the middle of pimples your Halloween special it is hi comes Acula and Wolfman Boneham today we are going to leave you a pinball machine is that correct great yes tell most men were reviewing a little special something yeah but first some announcements actually first first first some announcements all right we're having a contest great yeah a contest with pins stadium lights pin stadium lights want you on this episode to have to send a picture in to our Facebook page sometimes when the moon isn't full I turn on my pen stadiums makes me feel like there's a full moon and then I come
2:56
all right so pin Stadium is running a promotion to give away a free set of pin stadium lights all you've got to do is hit us up on our Facebook page send in a picture of your send us a picture of your scariest darkest pinball machine that is in dire need of pin stadium once a lot of them out there are a lot of them out there Wolfman so send those in and then we will pick a winner for a free set of pin Stadium let's also pinball plating Chris got ahold of me and he said hey just let your viewers know that for those of a Deadpool that needs so bad that katana ramp to be chromed out instead of that brushed metal he now has replacements I like them he now has replacements for that so you don't have to send in your katana ramp and wait for a return katana ramp if you've got one just hit him up make a purchase he's gonna send you out of katana ramping you just send your old one back fresh chrome katana ramp is that needed wolf man and Deadpool yes absolutely need easy peasy the last and not least before we get into the overview of Monster Bash Ellie they make I need to tell you Gus we've got teams going now teams act team Greg's you guys have voted on our pin side thread if you prefer Jules padule-- or if you refer the bone man over here you guys have voted but now we've upped the ante you see

  • “you can't Daniel a six thousand dollar brand new Monster Bash in front of me and say well you can't have the extended display if you want with all-new animation and RGB lighting throughout for an extra 15”

    Zack@ 32:34 — Price justification for SE/LE tiers despite rule depth concerns

    • Monster Bash (Remake LE)
    game
    Monster Bash (Remake)game
    Monster Bash (Remake Classic Edition)game
    Pinball Expoevent
    Medieval Madnessgame
    Attack from Marsgame
    Straight Down the Middleorganization
    Larryperson
    Pin Stadium Lightscompany
    Pinball Plating Chrisperson
    Deadpoolgame
    Williamscompany
    Metallicagame
    Draculagame

    gameplay_signal: Monster Bash LE achieves accessibility for casual players while maintaining competitive depth through its rule stacking mechanics, shot accessibility, and progressive mode unlocks (6 monsters, instruments, multiball sequences)

    high · Hosts praise how 'anyone can step up to and hit shot', 'not getting a lot of bricks', but also discuss strategic stacking (preparing all 6 monsters one shot away before committing to multiball sequences)

  • ?

    design_innovation: Monster Bash LE features sophisticated toy mechanics including: Frankenstein stand-up with motorized arm swing, Bride of Frankenstein head animation, motorized Dracula movement on circular tracks, illuminated creature saucer with toy figure under playfield, mummy with motorized esophagus door, and 3D moon plastics with LED lighting in backbox

    high · Detailed description of each monster's toy implementation; hosts rate toys as 'A+' with emphasis on 'loaded' machine and physical toy integration versus LCD-only solutions

  • ?

    product_concern: Despite strong gameplay and toy ratings, hosts rate rules/code as B/B- due to perceived repetition after multiball stacking sequences complete; described as 'chopping wood' or 'chopped fest' where game becomes less engaging post-multiball

    medium · Greg: 'code gets a little stale... it's good for location it's good for probably tournament... but after that's over you just start over again'; hosts prefer deeper strategic depth like in Metallica or Dracula

  • ?

    collector_signal: Monster Bash LE differentiates limited edition tier with non-purchasable-separately items: custom topper, laser-etched lockdown bar placard, and midnight blue metallic powder coat, creating FOMO for collectors despite $8k price point

    high · Hosts emphasize topper 'you can't buy as an accessory', placard as 'beautiful piece of art', and powder coat as exclusive finishes driving LE desirability

  • ?

    artwork_and_aesthetics: Monster Bash LE's visual package receives mixed assessment: cabinet side art, backglass, and topper rated highly (A-minus to A+), but playfield art rated lower (A-minus) due to perceived minimal detail and sparse artwork despite bold colors and clean ink saturation

    high · Greg: 'playfield is a little bare... there's not a lot of art to the playfield... playfield is what you're looking at 90 percent of what you're seeing'; notes saturation/clarity excellent but density/detail lacking

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Monster Bash LE described as suitable for both location play and tournament competitive use; rules/code designed to support point-chasing with clear progressive objectives (6 monsters, instruments, multiball modes)

    medium · Hosts discuss it as 'good for location... good for probably tournament' and reference potential point-chasing gameplay suitable for competitive scenes

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    industry_signal: Pinball industry figure Dwight Sullivan publicly endorsed podcast host Zack Sharpe at Pinball Expo as a 'big fan', demonstrating content creator influence and positive relationship between designers/manufacturers and media personalities

    medium · Zack mentions: 'during pinball Expo Dwight Sullivan approached me and said he is a big fan of mine... he's team Zack', indicating industry recognition of content creator influence

  • ?

    venue_signal: Monster Bash LE had significant impact at Pinball Expo through low-key presentation strategy (unwrapping and letting people play) rather than high-visibility booth presence, surprising attendees positively

    high · Greg: 'they just had him over there... unwrapped them and let's play them... that probably had ones along its lines of the weekend surprised the heck out of me'

    • 4:51
    during pinball Expo Dwight Sullivan approached me and said he is a big fan of mine so much so that he really didn't even know who you were he said without a doubt he's team Zack so as you guys see right here boom - why does on my team my friend I'm looking for for other pinball industry creators what you got there - I notice designers pinball names come join Jack's team because it's gonna be the best team you see Gregg's right now hit his is missing four members of his starting lineup come on man Wolfpack that's not how this promotion goes yeah all right so you've got to fill up our starting lineups I've got Dwight and I gotta say I think I got the best coder that's gonna be on either one of our teams what do you think yeah it's good thank you that's right so fill those out all right Gregory back in ketika do so we are going to kick it off by showing you overview of months to bash very similar to original but this is monster bash at Lee Lee make okay pay particular attention to the back pay particular thinking it's enough how a straight down the middle fans my name is Larry I'm go by in depend on pin side I was asked by my buddies Craig exact if I mind filming my monster bastard pinball in honor of the Halloween themed show they were doing this week so I'll be more than happy to do so one big Halloween fan I even love the universe and monsters just as much so ideal for us to one show your overview and a couple video of the monster bash pinball in action monster bash pinball made by Williams pinball this is original not to remake obviously you tell from the popularity of their pins that they remade it monster bash your job is to collect all the universe monsters as well as an instruments that they play in order for them to get the band back together you should tell the back glass we had the wolf man on drums we've got the mummy on his base for our Frank Stein who does the singing Frank Stein plane is organ Dracula on his guitar mummy on sax now the triggers scariest you gotta collect the shocks nor detector monsters and once you get the mold going on that monster your job is to collect the instrument from which you play let's go down to the play field here's your colored D&D and here's a view of the play field okay let's go straight down here to Center here's the creatures every time you hit it certain shots you collect a creature and then underneath the creature as you're playing the mode you got click collect instrument so let's go to the main toy of the game one of the best toys and pinball in my opinion it's a Frankston monster next to him is Igor and dr. Frank Stein okay your job is like the target right blow Frankenstein's feet once you hit the target enough ego or start collected that body parts to bring Frank Stein life which we lit shown on the play field you got two two arms two legs chest and head torso shops a in the head okay once she hit those targets good enough the Attar ggest Rob it's Barney Frank Stein the ball will swing around here and it would come to a stop right back to here on off the video short but there's a post it comes up two blocks tia at the ball cool low deemed an animation restart the lights the light up really cool is over the electricity's bring Frank Stein's body of life he'll drive actually drop down onto the play field and your job is to hit Frankenstein and once you hit Frank Stein enough enough times you she collect his instrument what said for instance here which light up maybe him enough times his instrument light up don't like to stay on obviously okay let's go for play fill it up Lawrence talk to the Bride of Frankenstein right in the very back ok in order to collect the bright Frank Stein there's I like a little shot I'm gonna try filming that's very tight it's like a circular shot there you can see where the ball will come around to sprint over here feasted left flipper and the ultra had the ramp shot here okay every time he hit the shot Bry Frank Stein will start doing stuff that lays dude powdering her face putting lipstick on blow drying her hair she didn't ready for her big date with Frank Stein once you hit that shot enough times she will come to life and every time she talks to you it's really cool her head will bob up and down okay you shut your job is to hit the same ramps and you hit her enough you actually collect the Bride of Frankenstein and her microphone that she uses okay okay let's go over here to the left well we have the creature from Black Lagoon now on this pin here it doesn't come with this mod here this is what's something I added okay both decide you see a science at pond scum seaweed mugged algae so forth okay your job is in order to collect the creature you want hit the ice shot the scoop Ronnie's right here okay and every time you hit the shot the creature underneath the play Phil would light up okay he did enough times you collect a creature they in order to collect his instrument your job is to hit the side rails I'm sorry not side rails side lanes here in different shots
    11:19
    do that enough times you collect the creature and its acts okay let's go to the Wolfman now the Wolfman is only a monster that does not have his own toy but he's got really cool plastic in the back and the lights up with the LED light or light in the back so you know he get to creep I'm sorry once you get zapped Wolfman now it ordered collect the Wolfman your job is to if you look off the far lanes you're gonna see one trying to get the lights and blind you smudge well it's gonna stop flashing here a second hopefully okay full moon okay each it shoul each phase of the moon your job is to get the quarter half 3/4 and up to the full moon fever that's on the left side and also on the right side okay you hit that chef shot enough times you collect the Wolfman keep collecting those shots you'll see the Wolfman chasing a girl around act like Wolfman and you collect his instrument next up is Dracula your job is to hit these drop targets it's not dropped tar he's just read her targets buses track attack hit that enough times Dracula will come out was coughing then you like Dracula now no work like does this me as he moves back and forth on the circular tracks your job as hit the bomb his feet or the target okay and once you hit that enough times you reflect his instrument okay last but not least it to mommy exact same thing we first punched the ball you have a three row over lanes with a pyramid you want to do is try get the lead pyramid and you collect a the super skill shot what's girl shot should I say the ball feed itself to the pop bumpers and bounce around and the more times it does it on the DVD screen show these two archaeologists digging through a sand to get to the mommies then what you collect him get the ending off a bit let all these throwing pyramids in the back like that up you collect the mummy and then what happens is the mummies this esophagus will pop open shoku lo loaded toy right there it lights up and your shot is the same thing in hit the side lanes here to collect the mummy and as also you got a little drop target in the back which give wards and different treasures now the scoop does a lot of things here it actually starts the one the most like the monsters Rock throw I'm gonna tell you about a second it gives you random points it could give you sometimes even a starting boat for you okay so it's a really good idea when you play this game truck I used to hit that shot because it gives you a lot of good points and Wars okay now one other cool feature of this pin is have it what they call the Phantom flip so it's kind of representing ghosts okay right by Frank sounds target as you see you will see the fan flip little ghost a sticker which I have on one doesn't have it on it okay hit those enough times your what actually light up the fan flip it says hands off from lit you got one on the left side for the left flipper and one on the right side for the right flipper okay if you hit that fan flip shot this shot will go back and forth whenever you hit the flipper button it's okay if you had the ball roll over the lane that's lit the game will take over and once the ball rolls down flipper it automatically make a shot for you if you're in mode it will please shot let's say you're trying to shoot from Frank Stein or the say say by Frank Stein it on Mac and we'll shoot the ramp to see you try to get ahead in that mode really cool feature okay now once you collect all the monsters you don't have to collect your instruments but great you did but if you collect the monster first thing if they give you you hit the shot the scoop shot down here the ball freezes underneath the play field called MDA and come up I said monsters Rock doing that all the monsters come onstage on the DMV and they start to play their instruments and what happens is it's Anne Frank Stein drops down dracula comes out of his coffin all the monsters in there stages and lanes are lit and it's a multi ball you excuse me time so you can to try to get the collective all the monsters instruments and if you ever do that you've built complete the Monsters of Rock multi ball and there's also no there's the mode that comes on after this I think it's called I can't remember what the name was now I'm sorry monster bash is when you collect the monsters monsters rock when you collect the monsters and the instruments so anyway so that's how you do it now I apologize for that
    16:37
    okay then it's Monster Bash by Williams very fun pin some argue that's easy but you know what it it's just a blast I can't really you know once you start playing it it's just a really fun game it's got its comic-book got good one-liners and it it's got some of the best toys in the business it's got some really cool animations on the DMD screen and there's monster bash pinball I appreciate you watching this video a special thanks out with my buddies grading Zack come straight down the middle and wish hey everybody have a very happy Halloween take care Marco specialties same-day shipping accessible website exceptional customer service and with over 50,000 different pinball parts in stock Marco specialties is a must for every pin low enthusiasts operator preacher pinball machine right by visiting Marco speck calm now kroombit brass at black nickel at King dick Roman powder-coated the possibilities are endless at pinball play to calm your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of LED products with the best quality LEDs and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at comic Inbal calm [Music]
    18:11
    welcome back to mr. doorbal at Expo we played a lot of months the Besh remake le didn't we just think if we did this whole episode indicated yeah I was going terribly well I see you don't want that this is going to be very difficult especially for me the one who talks the most yeah ah weird I'm trying to think of things Oh Garland's that could never be a vampire because he can't stay away from here that was actually timely joke very good all right so you guys seen the overview the Chicago gaming company remade this machine this is a valley Williams machine from the 90s right great they remade it and now it has come alive again and they nailed it they did now fantastic it is Fanta what are you still on your cuz I figured I could at least keep that if I lost the voice is that the painted I'm sorry so they remade this thing yeah what I didn't think much of it I thought when I went to expell I thought it's gonna be monster bash right we've seen some pictures of it we knew it wasn't gonna have anything like over-the-top crazy additional to it but I gotta say Greg this thing might have took home the show for me you know what I agree with you I thought the same thing I was again like I kind of talked about this in our exhibition is the topper is okay it's whatever it's fun yeah I'm not that but I still wasn't that excited about sick you said it's monster bash what's it matter and then I honestly I agree with you I think that it did it kind of stole the show for me of something and then again like it that's very low key to it was very low key yeah they just had him over there rather than white and then they unwrapped them and let's play them and that probably had ones along its lines of the weekend surprised the heck out of me for that Ellie it was it did me too you know I was much better just a beautiful game to begin with but it's heralded as one of the greatest con moment scenes of all time to take it and to make it even more beautiful mm-hmm like that that's what they did they they're very much today we'll talk about the differences between this remake and remakes in the past like medieval madness and tank for Mars but what you need to know is there are three models of the monster bash remake there is the classic Edition which is gonna run you what about six that's a steal yeah that's that bad these things were selling for close to ten thousand dollars before this remake came out well you know what that price point really really got me and I was like you know what this is on the radar my father's but you know what you did I know what I did you kind of you kind of steered me away from it normally I just called [ __ ] on you and I don't care what you say to me yeah put act really you were very much right like I think I'm gonna have to go up up and on top a mom so if you jump up a notch that's gonna be your special edition the special editions gonna give you all the lighting features all of the toys it's gonna give you the expanded display expanded with the new animation it's a new animation in that that's what God honestly even uh let's reanimate bums the thing is Rhiannon mated in detail and it's as long as the bakbox almost I mean it's pretty long yeah isn't larger than you know what I think that that will wait until we know K all right and then after that SC you bump up through the Ellie special people like me Ellie you get the limited edition that's gonna come with everything on the special edition but with the one-of-a-kind topper that you can't buy as an accessory yes it comes with which is it's gorge twenty times better in person I think it actually looks better than the attack from Mars III do to off in person I do in photos I see it's heavy north to the bear but look like lighting x2 this yeah I agree you didn't want to make this bounce or move it been too much yeah maybe they could have turned maybe the two ends cuz yeah yeah but okay so then you get the placard on the lockdown bar yes H laser-etched yeah placard of all the monsters that's really cool and you get the powder coat that beautiful midnight blue metallic powder coat oh you get that as well and then you get the limited edition model where there's only some made yeah so that pumps you up to I think eight thousand dollars yes that's not bad for what you I think they'll sell out like this it's a lot though was there something it's a uh I think twelve fifty yeah that's all that's still a lot I don't know man I don't think do you think Deadpool pros sold 1,250 no you don't think no I think yeah I do there's a lot but yeah but I don't know I don't know it's a it's a lot of pins and it's a lot of money this thing is simply gorgeous yeah so well so bright way right into it if it's gorgeous let's talk about the art now the art is the playfield back glass the cabinet's yes okay what were you had on art is this a beautiful pin is this a hideous suit I'm I'm I don't know where I'm gonna fall in with this okay because I'm sitting in a beam - no that's what I'm seeing that this [ __ ] uh-uh I can tell you where I'm coming from with it please do if it'll make sense it will move cohesively it's one of the most beautiful pinball machines ever made I love the the side art on the cabinet I think it's that's sure fantastic colors yeah Marines and perfecting the black glass is fantastic I think it's gorgeous looks good but the playfield if you really look at the playfield the colors are there and it's nice you've got the monsters that's nice okay but there's not but it's just not a lot going on and even artistically there's not a lot on the playfield the playfield is a little bare okay um and it don't need a lot but even the monsters are stuff they're not overly detailed they're just not okay there's not a lot of art to the playfield artistic if if I to say the downside of this art package it probably would be playful yeah so I'm with you and I think the playfield again the back glass is nice I love the side art but it's sandwiched between machines what do you normally look at and what's 90 percent of what you're seeing playfield so good I always take that as the most valid thing so that's why that I rated it as low as I get I'm at an a-minus I think it's beautiful it's one of the prettiest cabinets and pinball the head check out pictures of the head here yeah finger Oh with the arm coming up or in their guitars and stuff and time if we're thinking art that placard on the lockdown bar cause we're ranking the le that is a beautiful piece of art I agree yeah the place of what I do like about the play field is that it's not cluttered it's not cluttered you can see what you're doing bold colors and the ink saturation on those play fields like the bound volumes yeah you don't see the graininess no it is a strict really supple playful supple it's a supple legged nipple oh we've got the call color one hello go ahead I love blog yeah you know what's sad is that every episode we get a call and they're all BS that's what just shows you how much junk
    25:37
    what was that one sword I'm gonna day - I think it is a solid art package it's one of the greatest it is very much classic I even like on the front cabinet where you see the yeah and this one say I was very torn with where of what to give it because I could have went B - I could have went where you were and I just this little disgrace let's move on to shots and lay out some I get hate mail for once well you should all right shot some layout okay this is your holy government yeah did he put together a good a good layout this is to me he'll start a little bit I meant a solid a this is Gomez masterpiece right I think it's the best shooting Gomez getting a tourism this is when I hear fan layout I hear 3 games yeah medieval men's attack for Mars and Monster beds yeah monster bash kind of set the standard for I mean it didn't but it was in that that era of games that that set that that standard I don't know of a bad feeling shot in this game no there's not really one and if you know what I like about is it's one of those games that you can step up to and other than Frankenstein coming back in your face mm-hmm it's something that anyone can step up to and hit shot oh yeah that's a good you're gonna hit a shot if you flip you're gonna hit a shot there's a lot of shots on there because it's a fan layout yeah but a lot of times people try to squeeze in that extra shot which makes all the other respective shots too tight yeah I don't feel like there's too tight of a shot in this no game I don't know that's what I was saying like yeah there's nothing you're not getting a lot of bricks no there's not a lot going you're gonna hit something in there whether it's creature if you hit a little too far off the tip you know you're gonna hit that war being go back there - oh man no Wolf Man the orbits are buttery smooth on this game yeah and George the ramps on this game phenomenal what was wrong oh good man we need to look back and whatever you know to figure out when he first put one of those like one eighty ninety degree Bend well this has that inspiration started to hear where I mean your bride raves to the left comes up and gets back and if it don't make it up a certain it will fall the way back so it's kind of always been in is way less smooth I don't know if it's the wire form gauge because I'm Stearns that gauge is a lot thinner yeah maybe it doesn't feel more that teen verses Amin Jorge Gomez layouts at Bali Williams hit the spot hit the nail on the head it's just my issues are whenever we go over to stern that's when the materia it's almost like he learned on the old materials and knows how to make a solid feeling game there and it just didn't transfer over to stern pimp it's got spinner shots that feel good scoops right where it needs to be it's not too hard it doesn't bounce out the center shots really enjoyable creature shot hell is that left shot to go up to the creature saucer that's even really enjoyable and we finally have stand up targets that matter when you hit direct stand up targets that yeah son of a biscuit will come oh yeah yeah that which is oh yeah which we can't get in all that right now okay so shots and lay out for me yeah I'm in the a - I'm gonna hey you're a - that's all very solid yeah that's making me want this game I actually do want it really bad right now moving on to rules and code this is this is rookie Limon as is finest Lyman sheats yes what do you think by but do what you're not too bad no hey ma we're very close I hope came in in a - just because that's good score it's not super deep for Lana but like you said it's fresh but it's a very good - penny super dude yeah there isn't any so you can't really hold that against it totally this is for that era but it's a really cool rule set I like to hit the Frankie I like the stacking like I like it stuck I like everything that goes on with that pin I I like them the multiple shots on multiple monsters it's what nineties pins were yeah and it feels good that's my kind of pin and for me too it's not what I'm using no no no not at all it's very much spell ofone if you will have two shots a number of times I probably for it to be that kind of pin more up my alley I probably should have raided it a little higher but oh my - that's pretty hot it's pretty good I mean I think I could have waited a on it it's a guy that in grade school got season thought they were good yeah see for cats I eat all right I'm a little bit less in you I'm gonna be yeah because be is a solid score yeah this is a solid coat yeah it doesn't take them I tickle my pickle like an a would know here's essentially what it is you have was a six monsters six monsters each of them correspond to a shot on the play field yeah you hit them enough you start their respective mode if you continue to hit them during that mode you'll qualify their instrument yes if you get all the characters you start monster bash yes if you get all of the instruments you start monsters of rock and monsters rocks pretty difficult though ain't it is it yeah I don't that's the problem that's why I'm gonna be and not an a because code gets a little stale yeah it's good for location it's good for probably tournament it's good it's a good it's good for points if you're not afraid of chasing points it's a good chasing points man what I like about this why this cuz this is this can be a chopped fest this is very Metallica esque for me yeah without the depth yeah but why I have this as a B instead of a C is the stacking you were alluding to so essentially on this game what you're trying to do is you're trying to qualify all five monsters - dry or - f frankenstein you're trying to get all five monsters one shot away from starting their respective mode then once you do that you get Frankie all the way up there so you get all six prepped and you're ready to go one shot left then you start opening up the modes do not open up do not open Frankie don't open that multi-ball up yet because if you open up Frankie multi-ball you're screwed on the other ones you can't open them back up yes so you try ideally the perfect game is qualifying all six monsters starting them one at a time until the last monster which should be Frankenstein start him and you're about to blow that game up yes here's the problem why I'm gonna beat ya after that's over I'm ball to you just start over again yes and that's all you don't like the chopping wood but how do you enjoy something like Dracula because that's supposed to be like that I'm not spending ten thousand dollars on that to look yes a lot if you're not now either I'm not now either but you can't Daniel a six thousand dollar brand new Monster Bash in front of me and say well you can't have the extended display if you want with all-new animation and RGB lighting throughout for an extra 15 but I'm just saying hey I'm gonna take that you're sort of it the same thing like stacking your three multi balls and Dracula sort of the same thing except for now you're doing it with like no you know Mom it's just Dracula we shoulda did a head head to head for Halloween here a Dracula monster but the reason it works on Drac is because you're also trying to get bats and ranch but bats and rats bonuses going okay and it's harder it's a hell of a lot harder to stack them on here than it is on Monster Bash that game is brutal that's what that game is Worcester Bosch can be pretty rough because there's so many shots and keeping them all without activating one it's pretty difficult more like maybe like God maybe a little more like Godzilla fighters like but so that's where I'm a be solid he's a solid guy so a minuses are great I'm sure game for now I get new poison innovation oh I mean come on a plus ya you a plus come on I like you said things loaded you've got Drac who comes out listen let's start saying all those different things Drac that comes out you got Frankie who stands up Frank who stings are bashing me sent me back how do turns into a bash toy not only does he stand up but his arms then come yes and he turns into a bath shorty my colors getting limp yeah you've got Bride of Frankenstein yep her head down creature lights up it's like a miniature Creature from the Black Lagoon lines up from out of the play instead of uh instead of like an LCD or our screen under only thing you did a hologram you actually have like a physical like little toy under there it lights up green around him like what about a mummy that he's lit up and the door flings open and there's and there's the mummy yeah we can't forget the blobs with Wolfman this is just the moon lights up with wolf what's cool back there is that it is 3d plastics yeah so that it adds a lot of depth with light and it adds yeah because the moon will come out even on the original we're talking remake but yeah on the original that that lighting blend back there oh yeah gorgeous man it's fan out the plasma disc in the LA that's really cool it had a lot to it because it's on the other cabinet isn't on third of the hit the whole theming is like that that's my bisque with a Tesla a Tesla coil yeah yeah so it's back there as well you stay confused this thing is loaded now so that's toys though what about innovation what about innovation we're both in a pluses so it hopefully it can hit some innovation too I have a good point on it okay I want to hear that because I I don't have a really good argument to make for and even toys you could add topper in the renovation on the le row yeah yeah I mean that's one of the best offers ever made very much regardless of what you want to say and it's beautifully skilled the only thing with really with the innovation maybe the expanded display and the lighting and or they're do the RGB is different it's different than other RGB I know I told the guy that runs the show over there Doug I told him I said look your plasma school that plasma district school that toppers gorgeous Doug even the placard of the lockdown bar but you're missing the biggest feature of this game don't even know if you know it it's not lighting yeah they're dramatic effect that they add to this lighting it's different than their other remake so medieval madness attacked for Mars that lighting was kind of a tribute to the old yeah they had LEDs in there but it was it was dark it felt like it was supposed to be incandescent feel yeah right yeah but it it shouldn't if it's too bright of a game it's but they did medieval man it's that's a door game no medieval madness definitely supposed to be but this I'm arguing that oh this so this is what happened in this one they had an RGB every way it's not a dark game it's one of the it's probably the only game that I've seen that is adequately to lit I'm not talking about great colors but I'm talking about it's a little door because the use of color GI but so it's a little bit darker but it's fine see I don't think it actually likes the center of the play field decently now when it goes into the the colors like when you hit Frankie or do something it's you're gonna darken down a bit I wanna know I want to know who who coded this light show yeah it's it's phenomenal it's so and it's not it's not flash as you guys it truly is the blending of the colors that they use yeah like back there by the mummy where it's what you see oranges you have blends great with the purples and blues of both means seen it is there rat comes out red and then you've got the greens yeah and yeah it's not just an RGB blue red what it it is section and I think you'd made the previous comment about Twitty like if this doesn't win Twitter but I want people to miss I don't want people to overlook it you've got to go see it you go same because people I think because it is monster bash are going to tend to want to overlook it or think they know what we're talking about without seeing it there is that color gi's [ __ ] you've got to get out and see it got you can see that on the SE as well yeah and those should be shipping any time now yeah SC shipping any time we are in late 2018 for those of you are watching in 2019 or beyond so yeah and then the Le should be rolling around through Thanksgiving 2018 so we should which is nice oh I'm that's wick finally yeah yeah waited long you know so the lighting is my favorite feature of this l I can agree just as I can we're both add a pluses I'd be higher if I could what would be I bet you would oh stop music music and call outs so they get the call labs great you're kind of brutal on this one I know you're not you're still good I'm gonna be plus B plus is good yeah this has like the most iconic call-outs and pinball and you give it a b-plus I mean its iconic is nice but solid eight here I like it on the mute the rock music's okay ya know where my head yeah that's why one would be but the call that you're paying they're great they're really good all the bread go low I love that they're quirky and they up there it's hung in cheek yeah it's fun it's what makes it it's not a serious no these are monsters in a band yeah and this is this is a always reminds me of the Beetlejuice rock and review it Universal I think we're doing away with that I can't remember they revamp that are doing away with it somebody let me know juice is old so probably going yeah but that show was popular no matter hey why can't that make a beloved you spin make it happen please
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    okay Joe that's amusing call this not much to say about the music cause jackpots jackpots kind of get old times because when you're in a multi ball juice it in jackpots otherwise okay now we changed it we told the people DM DS we're not going to be ranked on display in animation but we changed it ranking the monster s remake a lead even though it's not my tell them great because it's beautiful there's other dots that are beautiful but why isn't in this just like every other deemed a no this is an extended DMD okay it's large it is an LCD it mimics DMD yeah but everything the reason we're including it from here on out the extended ones still the extended if we were doing monster bash classic we would not do display the animations whenever your display goes wider than a star an LCD which we are rating then we're going to rate it do you know what a lot I do I do have a lot do you think you do that's that's the process of fact show I would have been happy if an LCB didn't exist in we just upgraded to this now not everything because I think jjp those pins Hobbit would not be what the Hobbit is without that LCD but I I don't know how it would sell and I don't know how it would do but I almost think it would be worth consideration on some pins that you don't always feel that you have to put an LC bien because it's the new technology I think this extended basic way to go one of the other with these companies really then Stern would have to and they can't go back to DMD and I each company has their own thing I agree I think that it can be very weird in Kabul it's one sad I don't think that it would go over you know I'm kind of I'm kind of with you though I think that these Chicago Chicago gaming company remakes I like the extended display reanimation more than I would an LCD screen implementation yeah the animation if they were to try to redo the like real animation yeah give me these all days because it's kind of a tribute to the old but it freshens it up and makes it alive and that's what would almost be kind of neat if Stern did that was some of their vaults like if they did a Lord of the Rings vault or they did something fault mm-hmm do something where it keeps the the dot so it's still sort of deals like that eg see you but that's very many see treatment exactly because then you get something new sir in it sex though this awesome part sets the vaults part it gives you something special still of a terrific idea did you imagine a vault of Indiana Jones well they're not gonna fall to me it has every make yeah well they could yeah CGC yeah I've seen you see dude but I mean can you imagine that upgraded with the ball rolling to be sick it'd be nuts everything about it would be met so because I get that I even think Lord of the Rings would be freakin sickening if you had this kind of difficulty sure like the color on Walking Dead Oh extended display the hoard them all spread out oh it would add so much more to the pin some ghostbusters oh the green emails 2d for Ghostbusters oh come on yeah you know what stern movies you gotta go not Ghostbusters you gotta do it Ghostbusters I want to see Danny now colors and everything are so out of whack compared to dirty sticker the LCD now the thing about now sticker those who do I need movie clips all right so we're on displaying animations we're ranking it and we're both ranking it an A+ easy yeah they're beautiful yeah oh boy I love the creature I love I'm still blown away by the creature I love the little the archeology the the archaeologist of Egyptologist yeah the start of the mummy mode is fantastic like because you know what's what else is cool whenever it goes into for example mummy yeah it goes Orange yeah and what happens on your topper and play field and speaker life yeah they all kind of turn paying something yeah I just saw orange but orange in certain spots a predominant orange theming yeah well again with that like an hyped up on this thing so displaying animations is without a doubt a plus I do prefer I'm with you again mr. bone dog face bone that I prefer the extended animation on monster bash more than some of the current Stern LCD titled animation oh yeah like Aerosmith easily would you rather have this extended fix later display and what about Batman 66 that's except about guardians of the galaxy mmm guardians would be - you know what I think like you said though I their maiden I didn't meet the monster Bachelor iron I think when you've got movie stuff yeah I think that you have to Iron Maiden I think that it would have fit perfect yeah I think that it would've went that route with Iron Maiden if it buddy monster bash I like better than Iron Maiden LCD I do too Deadpool what about Deadpool I the name I like fighting I like it better than Deadpool I'm not a fan it is a nostalgic and it's rich in it it feels old but it's still so new yeah still feels good still crisp clear people are gonna love it when I have in their homes people are gonna love this rescinded anyway moving on to theming Oh all right so theme Universal Monsters yeah cartoony Universal monstrous the universe that are in a rock band we're yeah I been a plus I love it but I love to Universal monster not Universal Monsters okay I'm gonna nee yeah I love monsters as well monsters and pinball go together since the dawn of time I agree music rock and roll music and pinball doll enough time exactly oh you know I forgot to mention Lyman's lament does flipper code you know the flipper code no that you do before you start the game or when you start the first ball the game now there's a flipper code you do it's uh Lyman's initials you tap the left flipper button for an L ABCD efg hijk you are 2l and then you lock it in with the right flipper and then you go as middle initial I forgot what it is what is on walking dead L blank s what is the initials I didn't know I didn't have it yeah so anyway you do L lock it in with the right flipper middle initial lock it in and then s lock it in and then boom Lyman's lament your fault first ball and then he tells you is you're doing good he'll do a call out and if you're doing bad he doesn't call out Blues mind that so theme I'm in a your name Plus who doesn't love well who's your favorite monsters we're talking about Universal Monsters who's your favorite monster nothing that this isn't wrong sort of Dracula knowing we're talking old-school monster I think that you still have to go with Dracula oh if you're speaking of universe you're speaking of the actual movies stuff but my favorite Care just probably mummy mummy yeah I'm just a kid I've always kind of liked them yeah I love the money what's yours thank you for asking I thought we were just gonna keep going I wanted to creature absolutely creature I think he's engaging um he's under much for the fig I didn't like film there I like the I'm gonna be on character they're all a bit too dated for me to enjoy too much of so just the character itself I love the green and the beauty and the looks of want to enjoy ability okay enjoy ability does this stay in your home do you like this game do you like flipping it how long's it last I do how much you enjoy playing this game I went with an A oh that's a good playing game is it is and and I might have slightly been a little high I don't know and the only reason is because you were actually high when you ranked to there no the high on the rank a little high on the ranking you sure no I might have uh it might be you know it might be the longevity this is what happens then you get high the keep you turnin I need to read finance funny but like I I think is the last ability that's my only concern but it's so damn beautiful mm-hmm that if I was scoop it up at a decent price I
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    would want to keep it not get rid of it just because it's gorgeous it would still be fun to shoot but if I had to turn it over I think it might leave kind of quick to bring something else in okay does that sound fair yeah I think it sounds fair to us because we're small collectors yes we're large collection it wouldn't leave we're to two to five pink collectors here yes yeah I think I think it survives in a five pink collection yeah this is a great beginner pen mm-hmm and it's a great collection pin and it's a great location pin yeah this thing is great all the way around I'm gonna be though to go off of what you were talking about the code is just a little flat for me yeah I really get into code sets tasks this one's not telling me a story really I like mode based games so I'm chopping wood like I'm doing on metallic on this so other net I would love this thing to be turned on in my room you know thank then definitely I'm fine with that I'm fine with playing this once or twice a week just to see if I can't get two monsters of rock but other than that after I get two monsters of rock I probably won't play it for another week er yeah that's what's rough on it and see personally where I'm starting to hit a bad spot at is lost world not leaving and I've come to the realization oddly enough Lethal Weapon 3 won't ever leave this really so I just it you're not gonna get another pin for that money for that money no no no there's there's no reason to get rid of it and I still have a blast on it shad roe yeah every time I played a stub a blast on it if I would have paid more for it my leave but it was a super good price on it from this guy and it's in good shape like I I it won't leave so now I've got Simpsons Star Wars our Wars Pro like they got Houdini Houdini yeah which yeah yeah we'll see where it goes but I'm actually going to trade out with a buddy Saturday for my Star Wars I'm getting his Iron Maiden muyul like this so that'll be a nice change up but other than that man it's like Simpsons I still really like it's still neat so I'm getting to where the like I've only I've got to make decisions about what Penrith also I was the bridge through that yeah that so much money into a monster bash remake then that I restraint we said at a recent Chicago Expo seminar this or that Oktoberfest or Monster Bash remake we went Oktoberfest yes and that's just on play we haven't played in as much of it I've played the hell out a monster batch man yeah that's why we have both come to that conclusion Jeff as well wise we come to the Oktoberfest over monster bag but for me the enjoyability is a B and that is only for me that is likely not for you if you play less pinball than I do right yeah and if you're playing just to have fun and you're not trying to get through modes and wizard modes because that's what I do yeah this is gonna be the perfect pin for you and if you're newer to pinball and you've got the money to spend this is the pin this is a family pin yeah this is this is fantastic quick this or that okay and we should have it on the show but let's do it right here okay let's do it since you've compared the to Metallica or Monster Bash remake monster best remade no question I wanna be with you because one's beautiful and one just looks pretty good I can agree with that aim the theme of one is spectacular and the other themes just good I don't agree as much but I'm there I share that sense a little bit nice Lyman sheats is fine just these cash so my enjoyability I'm at a good be if I had 10 pin this thing would be bolted to the floor it would not how weird is this looking at this I guess my arts what destroyed it the composites yeah I'm higher than you yeah you're 2b plus three point six eight was still respectful I love Italy yes I actually probably think it's more of an a-minus game but that's wrong I'm C but I'm very content with a beeping listen look that's why people join team Zach because I know what I'm doing what are you gonna do if I get a lot of review that you try to get Lyman Lyman doesn't watch both shows well I see somebody's yeah I've got Dwight Dwight tell you I'll admit I'm slightly jealous I'm gonna hate why all the B buddy I'm gonna de minus three point seven one which puts in an interesting spots and our composites here yeah it creeped right up to your a minus section buddy it made my a listers think monster bash remake le a Chicago gaming company I didn't think it was gonna be this I thought it's gonna be lackluster I really did too I did not have high hopes for it but then I put more games on Monster Mash I did any other I say that but I played Apollo 13 I played a lot of kuma 13 yeah there I think I put more games on this than any game at this show yeah besides my Latinos and partly for me is because Oktoberfest was there's a lot of wines well this headlines too but I could sneak in on the classic mm-hm every now and then oh here's a tip I was gonna give you guys if you get tired of the code like I do on this one I've never owned this but the one of the first things that I would do is I'd start taking outpost or something this could be a lone bull time game right it can yeah I don't want to get every achievement in ball one so take him out take him out make this a brutal brutal pin then it might stick around a long what why are you hating on me right now I got no go ahead I just know he always just wants to give you the tip really you're just sitting there chuckle chuckling the whole time I can't say that well I think it's not even a good Jew house just felt good it was funny thing I loved it yeah hey let me give you a tip your mom loves Justin - he always wants to do good can't handle more than that this is straight down the middle of pinball show what do people need to do Greg dirt buy us a shirt a shirt well he'll we'll take Church dude yeah buy shirt man again it supports us you know that that's what keeps us going our new equipment we feel like we're upgrading things we still got a few things we want to upgrade and everything pops on Facebook as always Facebook is my pride and joy the more people we get the more little random things that we post a lot of things you see a little odd like today picking his nose and I put a booger on making book of monsters boogers I got hair balls here probably the kid that hated his boat oh man those kids why is that why did they pick their boogers and just and they don't blatantly I
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    don't you know know as kids were you the glue paste the butter eaters were the glue eaters why do they like have you seen them sorry this is Nancy but they scrape it on their teeth a savory you know many people out there that are free burgers burgers burger tastes like and we're gonna make them so mad because you know somebody - right now like you know what wait a minute if we lose this subscriber because they're a booger reader and they took offense guess what be gone go on there's plenty of shows that accept booger he likes that accept you as a booger-eater I won't lie I don't if you might be feeling do I think you're weird double your dinner with you know cuz you eatin buggers but you still be my friend make sure to send in your deepest darkest steadiest pinball machine for a chance to win pin stadium lights it can't get any easier snap a pic of that piece-of-shit machine that ain't lit up right like your God leaves Oh or Deadpool hey Tom a pinball can help them hey they can that is very true they got a nice little package to brighten that bastard up but if you're stuck in any of those send in that picture freaking almost $300 in lights you can't you can't go wrong I'm gonna submit a picture where can people buy this monster best remade because it's very important Larry after limping out pinball's what would Larry what monster would Larry be if he was a monster he's gonna like a hybrid between Frankenstein and Wolfman he kind of is I could see that yeah and Don is the bride of Donna's definitely referring this time yeah yeah absolutely what else they need to do live on Twitch we've got Facebook we've got one else YouTube subscribe on YouTube what else hey we're it 2,200 subscribers now 2,200 pretty soon we're gonna pass those other pinball guns we are we're on a roll we're coming for you that's right it's Twiggy season and we're coming for you what's coming next week next week is likely gonna be of this or that it'll probably this or that or a top-10 this or that or top don't we do for both of those my are do for both of those thinking about eating your boogers again alright until next week we love you guys peace out homies my hero a [ __ ] makes me [ __ ] [Music] you had a plain way the slingshot euro an a/c outlet are gay and data cradle you with Burrillville [Music]
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    you planned it you were there was your pasty [ __ ] when I'm not drinking blood I enjoy a nice cold whoopsie no that's not what I want you get my heart handle like flame burn in a candle on the night that's [ __ ] singing a lady song in our respective cases are you making my dreams come true on the night I plug I buy the old yeah is it good that's just a song there's my boy