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Buffalo Pinball hosts critique Deep Root's failed Raza reveal and controversial design choices.
Deep Root Pinball has delayed Raza at least 2-3 times, with the concept originating roughly 7+ years ago
high confidence · Hosts discuss multiple delays: planned for Texas Pinball Festival, then another time, now cancelled reveal
Deep Root invited 6 pinball media personalities to a reveal event on Saturday (day before Monday 21st reveal) that turned into a 'beta event' due to technical issues and negative feedback
high confidence · Deep Root's official statement mentioned 6 guests (Lauren, Carrie, Colin, Jeff, Chris, Crystal) provided feedback indicating machine wasn't ready
The Raza cabinet has dangerously sharp edges on the lock bar corners that could cause injury
high confidence · Multiple photo observations and host commentary about sharp flipper/lock bar design vs. standard rounded edges on existing machines
Keith Elwin designed the rule set for Avengers Infinity Quest with Rick Nagel implementing the rules, continuing their collaboration pattern
medium confidence · Hosts discuss this being Keith's third game with Rick Nagel after previous two games
Avengers Infinity Quest Premium/LE includes an Infinity Gauntlet toy in the back area that Pro version lacks
high confidence · Hosts describe visual differences between Pro and Premium/LE versions, noting gauntlet appears 'cartoony' but fits theme
Deep Root's organizational culture has problems where internal staff either don't raise concerns or are not heard when they do
medium confidence · Hosts speculate that Steve Bowden and internal pinball experts should have caught issues before external media guests had to identify them
Deep Root spent millions in capital for 3-4 years without bringing in revenue, creating unsustainable cash burn
medium confidence · Hosts discuss hemorrhaging money, paying designers/rules people, building factory infrastructure with zero games shipped
The Raza 'pin bar' apron display can integrate game controls like ball save and redemption ticket displays
“They're hemorrhaging money because they're behind schedule by like what is it a year and a half two years dude at least just putting games out”
Kevin Manning @ ~24:00 — Captures core criticism of Deep Root's financial unsustainability and chronic production delays
“There's a culture problem right because there's pinball people who work in there yeah and you know steve bowden's not blind he knows what's going on right so i don't get it”
Host @ ~25:00 — Suggests internal dysfunction where problems should have been caught by experienced staff before external revelation
“Please tell me I'm wrong. I'm just assuming based on the picture, so maybe this is wrong. Look at the sharp edges where you put your hand.”
Nick Lane @ ~30:00 — First major critique of ergonomic hazard in Raza design; sets tone for safety concerns
“Due to technical issues and lots of feedback from our guests, it ended up being more of a beta event.”
Deep Root official statement (quoted) @ ~22:00 — Official acknowledgment that machine was not ready for public reveal; admission of technical failures
“Why would you change it? Nobody has been complaining about the lockdown bar, like the edges on it. That's not a thing, right?”
Nick Lane @ ~31:00 — Questions why Deep Root deviated from proven, industry-standard lock bar design to create problematic version
“Jurassic Park, his last game was a redo too, but at least that was like 20 years before this one and not less than a decade ago.”
Nick Lane @ ~16:00 — Notes trend of theme repetition; Keith Elwin doing Avengers redo less than 10 years after original
“I would love to see a documentary on this like because it would be fascinating just to hear like this is the stuff that we're seeing as the public right oh my god like all the missteps what the hell's happening behind the scenes right”
Kevin Manning @ ~27:00 — Expresses fascination with internal dysfunction at Deep Root; suggests public perception is only tip of iceberg
business_signal: Deep Root Pinball's 3-4 year operation with zero shipped games while maintaining staff payroll, factory infrastructure, and designer team creates unsustainable cash burn; hosts question how company remains solvent
high · Discussion of 'hemorrhaging money,' maintaining infrastructure without revenue, paying multiple designers/rules people for years; rhetorical questioning of business model viability
community_signal: Deep Root's official reveal postponement and leaked Raza photos sparked massive negative Facebook commentary; community perception of company credibility severely damaged
high · Hosts describe Facebook comments as 'avalanche of shitting on them'; previous criticism of founder's 'bombastic' early messaging and unfulfilled promises
competitive_signal: Avengers Infinity Quest positioned as superior redo of original Avengers game from less than decade ago; Keith Elwin's consistent designer tag and Zombie Yeti art create market differentiation
medium · Hosts acknowledge Avengers is 'much, much better than original'; Keith Elwin's track record ('two for two as far as I'm concerned'); combination of designer + art team generates interest
design_philosophy: Raza cabinet features split/elevated backbox similar to Mrs. Pac-Man and Centaur 2, which hosts note are 'universally hated' by pinball community despite J-Pop aesthetic justification
medium · Direct comparison to historically disliked design patterns; hosts acknowledge aesthetic appeal but note community precedent of negative reception to split backboxes
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medium confidence · Photos show 'ball save' and '200 tickets' displayed on touchscreen apron; described as heads-up display with game integration
“The bombastic nature of this guy that really painted him in a negative light to start with and then to say we're gonna have the five days of deep root there's gonna be all these machines”
Kevin Manning @ ~28:00 — References Robert Mueller's early hype cycle and ambitious promises that failed to materialize
“Everything around the pinball machine is being innovated, but nothing new under the play field. That was the other thing.”
Host @ ~45:00 — Core criticism that Deep Root's innovations (pin bar, speakers, backbox design) miss core pinball gameplay innovation
“I'm having trouble moving past it's okay i have another photo of it here somewhere uh right there so this is uh you can do like stuff you would normally do inside the coin door”
Nick Lane @ ~43:00 — Indicates sharp edges criticism so dominant it overshadows other design features; safety concerns eclipse feature discussion
design_philosophy: Deep Root appears to prioritize cosmetic/peripheral innovations ('pin bar' touchscreen, split backbox, crotch speakers) over core playfield design and gameplay innovation
high · Host observation: 'Everything around the pinball machine is being innovated, but nothing new under the play field'; extensive coverage of non-gameplay features in official specs; flipper alignment issues visible in photos
community_signal: Deep Root's organizational culture appears dysfunctional; internal pinball experts (Steve Bowden) apparently did not or could not raise concerns before external media guests identified critical technical issues
medium · Hosts speculate about 'culture problem' where staff are either 'not heard when they raise concerns or afraid to speak up'; questioning why experienced professionals didn't catch issues internally
market_signal: Deep Root's continuous spending on design, staffing, factory build-out without revenue generation raises questions about three-tier pricing model viability and games-needed-to-break-even calculation
medium · Hosts discuss how many games Deep Root must sell to recover costs; speculation about unsustainable financial model; no clarity on pre-order deposits or investor structure
product_strategy: Raza has experienced at least 2-3 delays (Texas Pinball Festival, unspecified secondary date, now postponed indefinitely); original concept is 7+ years old with no release in sight
high · Hosts reference multiple delay cycles; Deep Root's own statement admits technical issues and insufficient readiness; media preview event converted to 'beta event'
product_concern: Raza cabinet features dangerously sharp lock bar edges that create ergonomic hazard compared to industry-standard rounded design; hosts question why proven design was altered
high · Multiple photo observations showing sharp edges where hands rest; hosts walked to other machines to compare; concern about injury potential ('poke your eye out')
product_strategy: Deep Root originally announced 'five days of deep root' with multiple games launching concurrently; now barely has one working game after years of development
high · Hosts reference original ambitious pipeline ('five days'); hosts question 'how many games were they supposed to release like concurrently'; current state: one partially-functional game
sentiment_shift: Community perception of Deep Root shifted from initial intrigue/skepticism to near-universal cynicism and criticism after failed reveal; hosts describe need for 'documentary' to understand internal dysfunction
high · Description of early 'bombastic' marketing promises; contrast with current 'all their fault' and 'joke at this point' sentiment; hosts' fascination with potential internal chaos
technology_signal: Raza's 'pin bar' touchscreen apron display is unproven technology; hosts question whether touchscreen controls (ball save) will be accidentally triggered during intense play vs. tactile buttons on established games like Black Knight
medium · Hosts discuss uncertainty of tactile feedback for controls; comparison to proven mechanical button design; acknowledgment that effectiveness requires hands-on play testing