Stern Electronics… No, Not That Stern

Silverball Chronicles·podcast_episode·2h 3m·analyzed·Jun 26, 2020

Analysis

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TL;DR

Joe Kaminkow recounts Data East's rise via licensed IP, manufacturing discipline, and competitive patent wars.

Summary

Joe Kaminkow, legendary pinball designer with 40+ game credits across Zynga, Aristocrats, and Kapow Pinball, discusses his career trajectory from Data East through modern gaming. He covers Data East's licensing strategy, iconic games like Space Shuttle and Jurassic Park, competitive dynamics with Williams/Stern, patent litigation over flipper coil design, and the operational discipline required to scale manufacturing. Kaminkow emphasizes that fun gameplay trumps complexity, contrasts his generation's work ethic with modern approaches, and reflects on how Data East alumni now work for Stern.

Key Claims

Space Shuttle was the game that saved Williams from closure; without approximately 4,500 orders, the company would have shut down
high confidence · Joe Kaminkow directly stated this; widely corroborated in pinball history
Data East produced approximately 28,000-29,000 games in their peak production year
high confidence · Joe Kaminkow stated this as a factual data point from his time at Data East
South Park was so successful it effectively proved Timball's design was a misstep, demonstrating that a well-designed, simpler game with fun gadgets could outsell and out-earn a big-budget, complex machine
high confidence · Joe Kaminkow described South Park as 'lights-out Williams' and stated it 'out earned' Timball significantly
Williams obtained a patent on parallel wound flipper coils, forcing Data East to innovate with holding voltage on series wound coils
high confidence · Joe Kaminkow detailed the patent dynamics and Data East's engineering response
Michael J. Fox's likeness was not used on the Data East Back to the Future pinball due to budget constraints and his premium asking price in 1989
high confidence · Joe Kaminkow stated they used 'heavy sunglasses' and other models because Fox's likeness was too expensive at the time
Data East had a team of fewer than 20 people (3 mechanical engineers, 3 programmers) producing 4 games per year plus novelty games on a 12-week per-game cycle
high confidence · Joe Kaminkow directly stated this organizational structure
The multiball trademark lawsuit between Data East and Williams was fundamentally over a specific font, not the word itself, and was ultimately covered by insurance
medium confidence · Joe Kaminkow stated the trademark was on 'the particular font they used' and insurance covered the lawsuit
Joe Kaminkow owns a 1966 Batmobile
high confidence · Joe Kaminkow stated 'I owned a 1966 Batmobile'

Notable Quotes

“Space Shuttle...without getting about 4,500 orders would have closed their doors forever”
Joe Kaminkow @ ~8:30 — Establishes Space Shuttle as the game that literally saved Williams from bankruptcy
“South Park was maybe one of the most significant pinballs ever because...it kind of was lights-out Williams...they just showed the value of the misstep”
Joe Kaminkow @ ~22:00 — Frames South Park as the game that exposed Timball's commercial failure and contributed to Williams exiting pinball
“If you're really a good pinball designer, if you can remember 'shoot the blinking light' is your main role, you're probably gonna make a pretty okay game”
Joe Kaminkow @ ~38:00 — Distills Kaminkow's design philosophy: simplicity and intuitive gameplay over complexity
“We were too dumb to know how hard it was...Gary and I often joke we had to start a pinball company because nobody hire either of us”
Joe Kaminkow @ ~42:00 — Reveals necessity-driven entrepreneurship and the humble origins of Data East
“I kept the sleeping bag under my desk...I was at work at 8:00 in the morning, didn't go home till midnight for four days till we solved a problem”
Joe Kaminkow @ ~43:00 — Illustrates the extreme work ethic required to scale manufacturing during Data East's critical ramp-up
“It's funny...if you just make a really good pinball that's fun with some gadgets like the toilet you can outturn for a game like Timball”
Joe Kaminkow @ ~36:00 — Emphasizes fun and simplicity as winning formula over Timball's complexity
“Williams got a patent on the parallel wound coil and that was one of the great things in the great patent lawsuit”
Joe Kaminkow @ ~30:00 — Documents key patent conflict that drove innovation in flipper technology
“Their livelihood is based on what we created and how we survived right now...it's kind of a fun Lincoln nod”

Entities

Joe KaminkowpersonData EastcompanyGary SternpersonWilliams ElectronicscompanyStern PinballcompanySpace Shuttlegame South Parkgame

Signals

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historical_signal: Kaminkow provides detailed first-hand account of Data East's founding, competitive positioning against Williams, and role of licensed IP in scaling the company
high · Detailed timeline from 1981 Logical Highs through Data East's peak production of 28-29k units; specific license acquisition stories (Jurassic Park via Spielberg relationship, Lethal Weapon via Joel Silver connection)
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design_philosophy: Kaminkow's core design ethos: fun gameplay mechanics triumph over deep rulesets; 'shoot the blinking light' is sufficient for good game design
high · Multiple quotes emphasizing fun (Total Nuclear Annihilation, Firepower as examples); dismissal of overly complex rule sets; South Park vs Timball comparison demonstrating market preference
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regulatory_signal: Williams obtained patent on parallel wound flipper coils; Data East innovated around it with holding voltage on series wound coils, eventually adding mechanical fail-safe. Patent forced innovation across industry
high · Kaminkow detailed patent dynamics, described innovation as 'Type Phase II' (acronym meaning 'take your [bad word] flipper and shove it'), noted innovation killed aftermarket flipper coil replacement revenue
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licensing_signal: Data East's competitive advantage was heavy investment in licensed IP (Batman, Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Lethal Weapon, Simpsons, South Park). Licensing required Hollywood relationships and personal trust
high · Kaminkow negotiated Jurassic Park through Spielberg; Back to the Future through Bob Gale relationship; Lethal Weapon through Joel Silver connection; licenses gave higher resale value to operators vs. original themes like Torpedo Alley
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Topics

Data East licensing strategy and IP acquisitionprimarySpace Shuttle as the game that saved WilliamsprimarySouth Park's market success versus Timball's failureprimaryManufacturing discipline, supply chain, and production scalingprimaryPatent litigation: Williams flipper coil monopoly and Data East innovation responseprimaryDesign philosophy: simplicity and fun over complexityprimaryHollywood relationships and their role in securing licensessecondaryWork ethic and operational intensity in startup pinball manufacturingsecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Kaminkow is reflective and proud of Data East's achievements, nostalgic about the era, respectful of competitors and colleagues (especially Gary Stern), and candid about mistakes. He expresses frustration with patent litigation but frames it as spurring innovation. Tone is educational and mentor-like; he's generous with credit to collaborators and shows affection for the community.

Transcript

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people podcast find us on Facebook named Alison it had been born a gentleman caller okay well website [Music] welcome everybody to the head-to-head pinball podcast this is our episode 50 and my name's Martin and with me it's Ryan C and we've got a very special guest all the way from the US with us on our 50th episodes this man is credited for working on over 40 different pinball machines over the years is a very busy man working for three different companies Zynga aristocrats and Kapow pinball he also owns an amazing car collection ladies and gentlemen Joe cam and cow how are you I'm doing well thanks guys for calling and so we want to talk a little bit about your history before we talk about the the modern stuff that you're involved with in pinball so can you give us a quick overview of how you got started in this in his hobby and your journey up until now sure my dad was a distributor for coin-operated games and amusements as far back as 1963 in 1963 I was about five years old and I would go into the the vending company and while he was doing accounting and things I would play games and be around games obviously back then it was really you know a gottlieb world before we came a Bally world though they were godly distributors and then he went to work for a Bally in 1974 and he was senior VP a Bally so kind of growing up as a teenager I would unload trucks and whether it was early video games or you know a lot of Bali and the Williams games back in the 70s put them together ship them to operators and then when I got out of college I kind of thought well you know I I was operating some games and the games that were there I didn't think we're terribly good or terribly fun and figured well heck I could do something better than what was there and started a company called logical highs in 1981 that had a right of first refusal to Williams and actually the first pinball I ever worked on was defender pinball it was kind of funny Williams owned the rights to defender and right license them the idea to make it a Fender pinball and worked on the game was kind of those crazy things if anybody ever looks at the pop bumper in the middle you'll see it's a certain design services provided to Williams electronics biological high zinc nobody you know really ever knew that story but that's sort of how we started that's probably the first pinball I had anything to do with and that was sort of towards the end of Williams not doing so well on pinball and video game business taken over and then of course probably one of the more famous pin balls I worked on was space shuttle Williams had been actually closed at that point in time and Larry damar barrios ler Marc Springer and I worked through the summer of 84 to conceive and make that project put plastic ramps on the game a couple toys bring speech back and two and three ball multiple and the company without getting about 4,500 orders would have closed their doors forever and that's sort of the game that say Williams yeah everyone says that that's the game that sort of really did resurrect pinball at the time what do you think was so special about that particular machine that made that happen well I was a little bit of everything you kind of felt like a licensed product it brought ramps there were out of plastic sort of back into the game everybody was sort of making single level games again at that point in time Larry and I worked really hard on the two ball and three ball multiball says it was easy to understand lock the ball lock the ball shoot the ramp we used the top target in the middle sort of as a gate and then if you remember it had sort of like a rolling jackpot Sookie had multiple jackpots by shooting the middle ramps there just kind of gave you something to do when you were a Multi balls that are just flailing and this is a pretty pretty special game I mean I go over to the pinball Hall of Fame every now and then and Vegas and and play it and you know all these years later it's still fun so they stay a bit on the a digital version a fun game to play so how did he go from there - to data ace what's the what's the transition there well I left Williams Mike Shore left I left not too too long thereafter and then I kind of worked on the game of the company called game plan called on the Loch Ness monster and unfortunately they chose to make a game called cyclone by Roger Sharpe and sort of ran out of money before we got to Loch Ness monster the pinball the escape might be different today had they made my game because again it had ramps and havoc on like a sub play field with that little Loch Ness monster going around on the motor and that was sort of like a predecessor to what they did on Creature from the Black Lagoon and Garry was doing tin star back then which was sort of like a conversion kit for old starting games Merstham that was steep Kirk and the game called his eye and when you decided to start Daddy's pinball's me him and Shelley actually before was daddy ISA was just new Co and we had talked to both Konami and at least about creating a division in the States to kind of soften the highs and lows of making video games and having hits and misses and then having a more stable mechanical games division and Daddy East came up with the money Pellegrini was involved with it and we could say the rest was history first game was laser war and the game worked well and was a good game and a fun game and you know I think it probably was until time machine or Phantom of the Opera that we started making money and of course we have big games like Simpsons and Jurassic Park and Lethal Weapon and I think our biggest year production was maybe 28 or 29 thousand games back then so who was I mean doddery sand and stone have always been known to be very heavy on unlicensed ha's and not original themes where did that originate from was that you will Gary or me and Gary I mean we both believe in that you know first off it gave more value in that point in time you know operators would buy a game and then they would you know operate the game but where they really made their profit on the game was selling the game to the consumer well it's much easier to sell the game called Jurassic Park or Star Wars to that end user for a higher dollar than it was torpedo alley right and then you know you look at today it's really a license driven business I mean Simpsons or South Park or Metallica or or you know all the other different things that Stearns you know currently making you know people people want to collect things they like or they have affinity for things they remember as a kid you know that's that's sort of the business right how hard was it to get the licenses back then oh you know first off you know you know it was really hard to clear the rights and a lot of it of different things you know Batman was a really tough license that yet when we got the Michael Keaton Jurassic Park of course that in Star Wars you bigger companies went Williams were trying to get them but personal relationships went out but you know it was always a challenge you know everybody thinks you know that our margins are small and everybody you know wanted a lot of money for these brands and you know there's a bigger the bigger value always ended up being the collectible part of you know Steven Spielberg one of the Jurassic Park or yonder bots wanted a twister in their office or in their home so that's kind of where it went and then every time that we'd you know find a instance where like Tom Hanks was gonna be part of Apollo 11 but then he got a second Oscar and didn't want to be involved with merchandise so you know I was challenges and we were you involved in the the licensing for back to the future yeah so yeah if you want to tell us about the whole Michael J Fox thing and why he didn't wanna have his face there well you know again that was one of those weird things you know we committed to do the game you know our budget was really small we had a game ahead of it which was King Kong which really didn't look good was made by another designer we were having some trouble with just the game and the margin in the play and yes the game just doesn't come together so we had like six weeks to get the game together you know hindsight being 20/20 I probably would have done the art a little bit differently than trying to replicate the movie poster at the time and then we ended up not getting Michael J Fox so we kind of put heavy sunglasses on it there was Paul Faris on Brad sort of became our model and you know it's funny subsequently years later when I did Back to the Future for slot machines you know Michael allowed his likeness to be used so you know back in 1989 he was a big star and you know had that big big expectations and lots of millions of dollars to be on a pinball machine and yeah we didn't have a budget for that kind of thing but the great thing is you know we worked with a guy named Bob Gale who was the producer and writer of the show and Bob and I have had a lifelong friendship since 1980 90s he's one of my best friends in the world and closest friends so you know sometimes the Tim Balz not perfect but other things come out of it and she's a pretty fun game I mean it was music was good price but did a good job we still have all three three movies in it and I'm pretty proud of it how about these uh there's a bunch of machines here that you know were producing very little quantities like Wildhorse Saloon Aaron Spelling Michael Jordan Mads Richie Rich Richie Rich's obviously like a movie prop for that movie my relationship with Joel silver back then we were doing Lethal Weapon and he asked for a favor and we did a favor yeah so you know sometimes you know when you have the Hollywood relationships you wash hands and you do favors because that opens up the door for something else as a matter of fact we you know because of the relationship back to the future I was at Bob gales 40th birthday party and I was 40th birthday party was Bob Zemeckis his partner and Bob was working with Walter Hill Joel Silver and when I think dick Donner at the time on Tales from the Crypt and I went over to go show Joel and dick Tales from the Crypt and they were filming Lethal Weapon one nice thing you know I'm in a trailer with Mel Gibson and Mel Gibson we sent him a turtle spin ball for him and his eight kids to use and enjoy next thing you know we're doing a Lethal Weapon game and hell's from the Crypt got pushed after a lethal weapon so you know one of these things were you know one door opens another door and opens another door and opens another door and you know there you go same thing like you know we did back to the future and establish a relationship with Bob and Steven and we got Jurassic Park so you know you're a good guy you do good things and you do good work for people and you're trustworthy yeah you know relationships you know into that's what would you say would be probably the most successful in your mind and I know that there's varying definitions of success but when you think about the data a stays what's what's one of the successful machines that you would sort of look back and say yeah that was an absolute success all around well there are a couple you know I mean I think there were there was different success measures a different time I think Simpsons was really the first breakout game for the company that I think we did 55 or 56 hundred units at that time that was a huge run and the first Simpsons was was an amazing success I mean obviously Lethal Weapon and Jurassic Park and and Star Wars and like we did you know 10300 lethal weapons 10350 Star Wars and 9700 Jurassic park's and probably would have made more of the dinosaur it worked a little better at the beginning those are huge successes another data point which I can you know look at and go well South Park was maybe one of the most significant pinball's ever because honestly it it kind of was lights-out Williams because they had put all that investment in Tim ball mm and was too big too expensive too heavy and it what it proved was if you just make a really good pinball that's fun with some gadgets like the toilet you can outturn for a game like pinball mm and it out earned it so significantly that they just showed the the value of the misstep so you know Williams kind of put themselves out of the pinball business by doing that and then of course I look at Batman 66 and that could be one of the most successful games care he ever made so speaking of I guess licensing of the time and and I just probably want clarify already around this as well so you know data James Rees table viously in competition with the others I just want to know whether you were involved in you know what you could do and what you couldn't do from I guess a a trademark or copyright infringement and probably the example I give is you know M ball and tribe or tribal you are visibly well the whole multiball thing was just [ __ ] okay I mean if you look at what the trademark actually was it was not on the word multiball it was on the particular font they used which we didn't even use but you know it was this giant giant you know if you can't beat them harass them if you can't beat them sue them and then at the end of the day you know I even think you know I look back on it I think the inch are insurance because they sued us for something we didn't and have well whole lawsuit was covered by insurance at the end of the day it didn't and what it did it actually made us work harder and it made us get pissed off and made us do even better work so you know multiball try ball you know I look at the great pinball wars what a waste of money what a waste of time and they probably would have done better to you know made a deal with us and we all could have tried to make Tim balls with the same parts out of one factory and maybe they'd still be in business but you know give me a break dry ball ball for ball exactly but it wasn't just that nobody cared then the player didn't care then but you know what you had was he had a bunch of you know I think people of the other company kind of running around go on the sky is falling in and we got to stop them and slow them down I mean you know I probably was a little bit of a jerk at one time too you know we uh funny story was it was against the law in Illinois to download and look at somebody else's code okay and I think back then I put in ASCII something like hey Ken hey Steve hey guys give me a call with to lunch I knew they were going to take our game and who they were gonna download it I knew they were gonna look at our code they looked at our code this and I had invited them to lunch because I knew they were gonna be looking at our code which by the way was a violation of the law and they couldn't say anything about it but I got him pissed off so I remember seeing on one of those documentaries as well that when you were showing South Park at a trade show there was like a hidden message in the DMD you know talking about that you guys knew that penal 2000 was coming like it was like backwards or something no I don't think so but if somebody wanted to you know I think we had bsmt 2000 which was the name of our our sound board but you know they give people were reading pictures and clouds and won't God bless them kind of funny you know it was like putting cows in the Williams display for cam & Co or cam and cow yeah cares it was it was it was pretty I said no I will we'll say we there was something that I did say it one of the trade shows you know it was interesting you know there's interesting things to kind of change pinball and actually hurt the pinball companies you know back then flippers used the tungsten breakpoint right you use a mechanical switch on the flipper and then it would you know go to the flipper would so it would would energized breaking the 50 volt holding voltage right and and then if that little paw ever broke well then it didn't activate and that's what burned your slippers so we were all using series wound coils Williams that went to parallel wound coils we went to parallel uncle's I mean my goodness gracious if you go to engineering school first thing they do is teach you at a series wound coil is and what a parallel wound coil is but somehow Williams got a path on the parallel wound coil and that was one of the great things in the great patent lawsuit right parallel wound coil okay that's a big deal so what patents do is they make you innovate so we innovated to a holding voltage on a series wound coil and it eliminated the big tungsten point and then eventually you know we put a timer in it so even if that that thing broke that mechanical part broke then the flipper wouldn't burn out right it was still doing what it needed to do and it actually killed us killed us all because now we weren't selling parts for burned-out flipper coil revenue or so right cuz the flippers didn't burn out anymore they just you know the part broke you just fix the part but the flipper didn't burn but we we wrapped the flipper with a thing that said tie phase II I think there's 2006 Qi FASS AI or something like that and some of that's been one to one of the trade shows or what is tie phase II mean that the name of the engineer that made it type a Z or Z an Indian guy type AZ or you know what is tie phase II mean and I said it's very simple it's just an an acronym well they said what is what does it mean I said it means take your [ __ ] flipper and shove it and that was what was on all the coils look you know it's a pinball machine that's not a heart-lung machine we're not saving the world we're not changing the world if you look you know it's funny I read all the you know I used to read all the FAQ and irq and all this stuff and everybody have all these rules and opinions of the games aren't tough enough and that smarted off the rules or this or that the games were fun my games were always fun and always had a certain amount of fun I mean anybody ever played Jurassic Park you want to talk about a game that had deep set of rules you know going to multiball and get into chaos and then having meltdown and minute game had a lot of really cool stuff and smart bombs and everything else I mean and then there are other games you make that are really simple I mean I recently played that total nuclear annihilation from that little spooky pinball company in Wisconsin it was fun yeah right you know hit the thing you know it be pin bot you know hit it nine times put the ball in the hole for the long haul multiball keep the ball in play triple your score oh there's a jackpot it was fun you know these games don't have to be a Bible of rules you know fire fire power it's really fun right hit-the hit-the six bank twice like all three balls play multiball I mean how many times you play that game and go oh man I was one ball away or we'll play high speed and go I got the red light lit but I didn't run it right so sometimes I think we're too smart for ourselves so seven with the data data race dies again do you think there was a formula that you had or does it come back to what you're just saying as long as it's fun that's what matters well the formula for us first laws was we had about 12 weeks to get a game done and outfits were we were a teeny little group of guys I mean I looked at Stern today and my gosh they're you know a hundred times bigger than we were we were you know three mechanical engineers and three programmers and we were we were less than twenty people trying to turn out four games a year and probably a novelty game so you know some stuff we had to reuse some things we started from scratch we always tried to make you know the game makes sense and and take you on a journey and start somewhere and Ratchet it up in intensity as you went along tried to make things somewhat understandable no I mean pinball if you're really a good pinball designer if you can remember shoot the blinking light is your main role you're probably gonna make a pretty okay game so you know I think we made we made stuff in our style well I think just all of the companies changed a bit you know in subsequent years just has a lot of you know it's really kind of funny I I look at the great pinball oh my gosh you know you know today you've Ricci or add white or Jorge Gomez or Chuck like all these guys used to work at Bally and Williams a great ferris you know are now all employed by Stern find goodness none of these guys you know you know their livelihood is based on what we created and how we survived right so it's a it's kind of a it's kind of a fun Lincoln nod and it's nice I think they they also understand you know Gary and the great sacrifice Gary went through to make the company and keep it in business and keep them involved Erica's you know unfortunately of the guys that were running Williams gave up and threw in the towel when they got a little tough I didn't make didn't matter they made twenty two thousand have in his families they threw in the towel and put everybody out of work yeah they made their money when they were making enough money they weren't in it for the long haul so why do you think it was that you could get a machine out in twelve weeks we had to write but they were obviously a lot longer these days yeah you know I guess it depends helm you know you know how perfect you want to be I mean our stuff was never perfect we only have ball traps and stuff like that the games are fun I mean honestly if I had to sit down today I could do a David Hankin sketch in about an hour I have something with a ramp on the left and a Targa Bank on the right and take that shoebox full of parts maybe come up with a new gadget or maybe not but I mean you know pinball just not that hard yeah you know you you know and you see it with the homebrew guys right you got all these people built and stuff in their basement and in their garage and doing a pin and programming their own stuff it's you know you keep your pop uppers at the top but a couple lanes for the lane change on it here's a target Bank you know here's a place to lock a ball here's a place to hold the ballers place to release the ball it just not that hard I think I think you know when you're you know I I when you're used to working fast and hard you work fast and hard and back then by the way guys we drew this stuff on vellum today everything's with a CAD as my gosh just moved the circle over you should be of doing it really fast now I know John Borg he's lightning man he can give you a they filled in two days if you need one other guys so wanted you know there were you know it's two other people it's an art form right it's your crafted and you roll the ball on a straightedge and you know gotta move that ball over about 1/8 of an inch you know just depends on on who's team right yeah there's there's there's the guy that does the paint-by-numbers and I've seen guys take take take paint and buckets and throw it at a canvas and in ten minutes it looks like you have there that's another nice painted canvas for a year and it looks like you have to so you know just depends on your technique but but it's also not just being able to design and do a machine and a lot of the companies that you know haven't been necessarily successful is it's not just about building the machine it's about how do you become a manufacturing company how do you actually now have a strong business model right well it was painful and I think a lot of people seriously underestimate how difficult it is to do what we did because you you have to build an MRP and you have to do a you know you have to build a bill of material because if you're missing one screw on your bill of material you can't finish building the game because there's no screw to put that part on so part of its discipline right you have to build a buying function and in the buying function need to have inspection to make sure the parts are coming in right I mean at one point I'm on the title block of our mechanical engineering stuff we added something to the title block you know what it was what it said mm-hmm so I tried it and it worked you have no idea how many people design stuff and never tried to see that it works were built in to make sure it works you know for us it was discipline right that was building a factory building a line training people not to overdrive your their screws and then thread your wood it's you know building you know new inserts I mean it was just we were too dumb to know how hard it was okay we were too stupid to know you know Gary and I we often joke we had to start a pinball company because nobody hire either of us and and and it was our our careers and our children's future college so we you know we worked hard what's he said before I came out of necessity right like you you have to do it others there was no option for failure so you know that's why I'm done I you know I look back on my days starting this company guys there were times like when we were starting at a new we went to go put the new Lethal Weapon display on that game and there was something that changed between our pre-production samples in the first piece parts that came in and the displays were crashing I remember working with Neil Falconer arrest us all and other people on the team we didn't sleep for four days I'm not saying we didn't take a nap we didn't sleep for four days till we solve a problem okay I kept the sleeping bag under my desk and let me tell you it got used um you know there you know I was at work at 8:00 in the morning I didn't go home those days till midnight that's what it took to build a temple company do you think other companies these days have the same work ethic that the new startups compared to you know you know I really can't say what their work ethic is the fact of their producing games you know good for them it's hard will they survive probably a couple of them won't or the games they built are you know kind of misguided and are so complex but even you know the people that are making them don't understand them but come on in the water's cold I mean it's hard it's you better have some staying power to get past the first game a second a third or fourth or fifth yeah and the Millennials different right you know our generation you know I have a lot of young men and women to work for me at Zynga you know I lay there how they program or do art while they've got YouTube going or loulou going and their head zooms are on all day long and by the way a lot of them you know their quality of life is more important they want to come in at 9:00 and bring their pet and eat some food and five o'clock you know six o'clock boy some are heading out the door their days done you know it's it's just a different you know we were we were kind of iron men at the beginning of a business right we were we were there as things went digital we were there as monitors became color I mean I was with Eugene Jarvis last week and he's got a brand new Halo game that raw thrills is making him we had dinner is like holy crap I mean when you did defender you know it's 512k memory your icon on your iPhone is bigger than that okay and then I looked at the stuff that we're making today I mean I know the the social games that I'm making I games right now that have been in production for eighteen months for the team of 85 people and Multi multi multi-million dollar budgets yeah big stuff today I mean II I'm Tim ball you know it's it's not one program where it's multiple programmers it has been that way for a while programming sound programming art programming display programming light effects but you know students making a pretty good product these days I mean I open up underneath the hood and look at the bus wiring system in the tricolor LEDs and everything else I mean there's I crap I'm glad on that make em Tim Bobby's they do what every now and then but I'm glad for a career what happened Joe after um you look at like your IP DB you know record there you know there's a big gap between you know South Park 1999 you know Dakota signing up with Joe balsa and being involved with with Batman so did you just take a step away from from pinball for a while and well you know when when I first left I helped Gary with stuff like Harley and and like Austin Powers actually some artists at ITT did a lot of the art on that came most people don't know that Roby Vasco I was one of my top slot machine artists did that to help carry out in the transition but you know Gary very you know bought the company and took it a different way and for a while have licenses on a couple brands a couple games and went back to license and you know built the team you know he got really shaky for him I think around 2008 when the market got really rough and you know the dollar changed and was tough in Europe but you know Gary and I have always remained very close friends you know I left the business at the time I did because financially it could not support both of our families it just something had to give of course nailing with the Australian gaming companies you guys are familiar with aristocrat I'm the chief innovation officer and the CIO and you know they're the number one gaming company in the world now so it's pretty fun so what was your involvement with getting the license for that mare 66 is that is there a Batman 66 yeah every surprise slot machine because it's a 66 aristocrat slot machine and there also is a Batman 66 social game from Zynga okay yeah yeah I knew Adam West for a very long time yeah probably about a decade before we did the games and I have a you guys probably heard rumor that I owned a 1966 Batmobile yeah yeah yeah so you know just kind of I thought it was sort of the right time to go back and do the Batman we always wanted worked with George on his original play field from first Batman and we kind of huddle up and say well let's go back and make this a little more fun and open up the shots and George came up with a great gadget in the corner and we put the ramps on it and lai minted really great rules and Christopher Franchi did his first job with us did a beautiful job on the Batman art and the games been a wonderful success and if you finally played the new almost finished code it's a great game it's really fun and then you know I said well Gary it was kind of fun was our celebration of the 30th anniversary of the company and I got with Gary and Dave and I've been working on a license for about ten years one of those things like yeah every year for ten years I called them said let's do this every year they said no and about a year and a half ago I called and said well let's do this and they were like okay let's do this so Gary and I have a product and gave another Capel product it's coming out there's one product that's coming out but my name won't be on but I help them get the license and kind of envision the original concept and it'll be one of their cornerstone games you'll see that probably in November and then after the first year probably the CES show we're gonna introduce a game that took me over a decade to get the license and it's gonna be a very very exciting game I can't say much more about it but it's gonna be very limited in the in the quantity we're gonna build we never build it again so what Jorge Jorge Gomez kind of you know the question was asked at takes the pinball festival if Stern and and you know possibly cap at would revisit the the Sioux Valley Park range and he said yep yep you know and you might you probably see it pretty soon with the next cap our title so is that what you're talking about here this would be like probably and it's not gonna be super duper expensive we're gonna you know you know they'll be they'll be a couple limited versions of it guys this game is the perfect Tim ball and it's the one game that every pinball collector player has always dreamt with one day be made I didn't think it would ever really happen and it was literally a decade of tenacity to get the brand so so you trying to get that brand for pinball or for some beans and pimple okay well first lava Sheen's we offered I think 50 million dollars for it yeah and we got turned down okay I will tell you it's probably the first million dollar-plus license ever for pinball's into my history now okay but it is a guy's license that's been around for a while or is it a something that's been around for ten years and you've been fighting for ten years no it's been around for just what do you think makes a good license these days I mean you've you obviously have a lot of licenses that you now deal with what what makes you think you know what that'd make a great pinball well I think it's the collectability of it I think the affinity that people have for the brand the emotional attachment that that people have or I mean you guys you guys ever see that guy James Corden yes yeah yeah that bed talk show yes yeah and last week there was like a video that he did I mean does that carpool karaoke yeah yeah I watched I watched that one know how much that one yeah did you feel Paul McCartney yeah I mean did you see I was one of the best things actually in on TV in years people went bananas do you know how many views has had in a week 100 million yep 100 million views go that's pretty powerful that's what you want to look for you know look so powerful so have you compared that to it's a slot machines because it's there is a bit of a crossover like there is in aristocrats Game of Thrones and Walking Dead pinball machine but there's also kind of some some licenses like like say Big Bang Theory Sons of Anarchy Superman Man of Steel you know that we're never made into a pinball machine so what do you think sometimes it's just timing run a brand war where the brand is in its cycle and you can't do everything right yeah Gary only makes four games five games a year yeah I'm there a lot of brand top if you go to licensing show is just loaded but you also take into consideration the you know the you know most people that are buying pinball machines and mail so I know one of the upcoming licenses with slices is Madonna which is you see you know a huge brain I was designing that game yeah so you know do you think that might not cross over to pinball because you know the the demographic of people that are buying pinball machines well you know there's a large female influence because you know your wife may not let you put a playboy machine downstairs but she may let you but a Big Bang Theory right yeah yeah so you know that you know though our player basis is largely you know you know the comic-con geeky guy I still think there is you know a lot of crossover and again for me I'm just gonna choose the things that for the few games I'm going to do in the balance of my career are gonna be the things that are really hard to get to take you know really difficult that are really difficult to get or to work through connections I have from my other career to leverage those connections to create that next opportunity to get a Batman right that maybe somebody else doesn't have the opportunity to get cuz usually if it's harder to get it's gonna be more collectible or more sought-after right exactly yeah we see we come out with in January is gonna blow your mind you know you just want to have one because it's so much fun and so you just go oh my god I've waited my whole life for this it finally happened what I'm what about something like you know people are always screaming for a Harry product in war machine and I'm guessing you know the slot machines as well will be popular but you know I guess the story there I'm sure you've tried is is that she doesn't want anything to do with with gaming you know slot machines or things like you know there's a there's a social game out right now yes with Harry Potter and you know as you got the Broadway music show which I just saw tonight you know will there be a Harry Potter game maybe one day I might pick up a game one day we'll see yeah well hype side get on with it I'm serious like it they never you know I mean of course after the story that you said you called every year for ten years then you know eventually something might happen you know there's a Goonies slot machine and I don't think it's made like aristocrats maybe I'm someone else yeah do you see that as a good license for for pinball machines maybe they're better things okay they're better things coming yeah okay so maybe one day beer you you know sorry if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel they're just they say that you know not to say that you know a Three Stooges or an animal house wouldn't have its collectible but it's just there's not enough heat around it there's not enough affinity to it there's just there's just better stuff out there okay in January you'll know there's better stuff it's you know I did Downton Abbey both as a social game and there's a regular slot you know it you know my 55 year old female was a pretty good product okay about this job although to bring more women into the new levels upstairs and downstairs I have that Magic Mike XXL that's that's a slot machine right I did that as a slot I did that as a social game you know the problem was you couldn't find a straight guy that would play it and I guess nobody wanted to be compared next to it right yeah oh my God look at those ABS look at my methodology that you have when you're selecting licenses for the slot machine world or because we do a lot of research yes research with our customers before we ever spend yeah we got a big licensing committee and a million people have to approve stuff but you know yeah there's there's there's crossover I mean look when I first went to IgG what was the first two games I made Munsters an Addams Family I Dream of Jeannie right so there were a real successful back then and that's that's 19 years ago 20 years of January is the is is the you know you talked to before about the the super limited edition and I guess the I'd you know you're in uncharted territory with in 2016 when you were releasing that machine because you know that obviously there was a time I had to follow to kind of release it at Expo as a bit of a celebration and you know the amount of the SLA was changed and and the you know as a video process have you guys fleshed it out for this upcoming machine or is it no yeah it's going through like a greased pig I mean it's the arts approved the brand is amazing the sound is almost done display work looks good and you know it's just it it'll be ready to ship when we show it so I mean more about the you know will people need to possibly apply for this versus just ring you know I don't know I don't think so you know I you know that was something we tried it was interesting and you know created some I you've been some demands you know this game just going to be limited I mean that we're gonna make X number of them that's all we will ever make of them and I just the kind of is one of those games I think when they're gone and they're gone they'll be you know they'll be thousands if not tens of thousands of games of demand for the brand yeah so if you buy one and put it away and buy one to enjoy you know probably 2 years from now it's gonna be something you'll sell for more it just it just they're just they're just will simply not be enough games to meet the demand it's just and that's and that's designed that way we want to leave the market hungry so the people that get them and put them away know it always will have value and has a game that you want in your home or in your collection it's the first game any friend you have that will come your house I'll be the first game they walked you to play yeah so I think you're in a good position I guess that you know you don't know you're obviously very well established and you're obviously in slot check your careers great and all that kind of stuff so and and also we did see your car collection so I do remember seeing the Ford GT there which is one of my favorite cars so it really means that for you you don't actually have to really care about the maximum amount of units you you really just want to make sure that you produce a great game and it's memorable right yeah I'm doing this because at this point in my career I'm so enjoying doing it with Kari and you know you know you try not to do it to lose money you know as I said the license was unbelievably expensive but you'll understand why when you see it and you know I we're just kind of both at a point of our career where we're enjoying doing this together it's really special we're making really special things will we do another one after this I don't know you know I have a real serious time poverty issue right now just because you know I work you know very hard in the other endeavors I'm involved with but you know it was worth you know taking some evenings and some weekends and and and doing this project it's it's kind of it's you know I dare say for the game I've always wanted to have in my collection so filming my own dream can I ask one question about the I don't want to give up too much information about it but you know you worked with you know your team for you know Bama in 66 you know you had Lyman F. Sheats Jr. and and you know he he takes a long time with his code I believe it because of his process but when it is finished it's kind of this you know well greased you know emotionally fleshed out rules and balance and stuff it will you know will he be working on this game or even time on this project he's still working on Batman I mean still not finished so you know we hope to have that finished in you in my lifetime in his so we had a kid about that at this point in time but he's almost finished but you know even though we've got a different team that's worked on this project and um the bars it's a different it's a different type of product it is very classic pinball and I think you guys are going to really appreciate this game a lot I mean if you like playing pinball okay so then probably have a reflective sort of question if you can think about you know making pinball machines in the 80s and 90s making pinball machines now but also dealing with license holders back then and license holders now what's the difference well you know it's not terribly different you know you seem to have a sometimes always feels like you have a different person improving your game for the first time that doesn't know what a pinball is the hardest thing is when you kind of deal with me that's a licensed approver and they think they're a game designer that's always a little challenging but you know the biggest thing now is if I don't care about pinball because they're doing multi-million dollar deals for Pepsi and Taco Bell and you know I think you know some of the the studios are like if the deal doesn't is and a half million dollars or a million dollars or something else we're not even interested in doing the deal because we don't want to waste our our already spread thin legal department to draw up your contract right we are probably you know more of an add on there but than anything but some of them at least appreciate them ball but that's probably the biggest thing is these big companies have become big companies that are stretched thin yeah they can't state seems like way off their legal team or their licensing team I mean one of the ladies who just recently dealing with one of the big studios you know called said hey on my last day that's been notified I've been doing your category for you know ten years and my last days on the thirty-first we just had a merger no well you know here we go we had to train a new person again so it's it's always a little challenging that way fair enough just while you were chatting I was I was listening but I also just emailed the strain distributor for stern and I see put on the list for the next copping it up so much that I'm just like alright well you know missed out on so many other people machines so let's let's get on the list views you you won't be disappointed Shh - Emily will be really proud of this game and you've have it in your collection and and it's gonna be I know I've been playing it I've been playing the light what I was in Chicago Thursday playing it so he does something really special I can't discuss right now okay but you just wait to see it I can tell you know the game you've always it's the game you've always wanted and I honestly never thought I'd get the license yeah I didn't think so he's just one of those oh my gosh we just stuck with it long enough that that we got it wasn't was it all right thanks Joey we appreciate it well sure thank you and and to the pinball players out there you know keep flipping and keep putting a couple bucks in there you know when you walk into a bar or some place put a couple bucks in the game keep those those things operating well yeah it's really important sure all right thanks man that's right bye now yeah so that was joke em account Marty what did we learn from that we learned that making pinball is easy and hard at the same time ease I guess it's when you've had as much experience that he has had and obviously he's had extraordinary experience from the highs and the lows he sees it from a different and probably more educated view than most yeah and it is we said at the start he has a free job so he's just kind of doing it because he can I did not add up necessity he did wants to do it purely for the the passion of of getting those unobtainable licenses so we look forward to seeing his next collaboration in November I think he said yeah absolutely I know what it is so we got a lot of emails for our 50th episode so we're just going to insert a couple of the emails randomly throughout the episode instead of reading them all in one big oh so you wanna start us off Maddie yep so justice said easy episode 24 that was the first show I listened to yours and thought if I was going to die laughing you guys are the best that trippy as good as yours and episode 24 is also known as the drunken emphasize the truth bomb episode I got another one from a Chris Warren he said my favorite episode was number 48 which was just last week two weeks ago sorry and the sly interview very funny don't get crabs from those seashells well Ezra has also said in very recent memory the Stallone interview was cool great execution well if you're doing another one I'll do one as well John Dee said I died laughing when Stallone and the teen teen a girl called the show thanks for the laughs and look forward to the 50th podcast so let's get on with the show maddie was give us some news what's some news this week Maddie well we actually had an announcement from Papa regarding pin stadium so they say we would like to welcome pin stadium lights as a puppet TV sponsor pin stadium lights patent-pending designed brightens the entire play field and adds dramatic flasher effects your pin ball they provide seamless integration of your pinball machine while maintaining that factory look or with an easy install time of about 15 minutes or less if you are not Martin know your way around a pinball machine easily 15 minutes or less yep so pin stating we're providing all the lighting for the broadcast games during pin burg and the intergalactic pinball tournament and the women's whiffed on every play effects so every single game I guess will be perfectly lit I'm not sure if they've had lighting issues in the past but I you know we our Game of Thrones that we had muddy and you installed pin stadiums on there and I've picked that up during the week or last week actually I think it was and I put that on site this week at pinball paradise and the wow factor I compared to the other games I mean I had mentioned before I'm a bit OCD about certain things like all my machines it would be the same so I'm not sure if pin stadium's would have survived in my collection without me buying you know 15 16 other sets but I mean the owner was just blown away he was like holy crap that looks amazing and I got into multiball forum and the fighters were going off and you know it's a product that allows people and it might not be for everyone but it's gonna be broadcast to like what a thousand people yeah people haven't the eight her people are gonna see it there and see that it actually does a decent job so well done Scott good job ah Madi yes once the battery make yes I heard the this making pinball podcast Zach was teasing that Hughes like the only one that knew this super cool feature that monster bash has and I was like you know what what's it gonna be and I found out and I'm actually excited about the game but they possibly do that would make that amazing like beyond don't beyond what it is yeah I think it's such a if this is true right I think it's such a cool addition to the team or machine that I'd rather people kind of be surprised by it but all I'll say Marty and maybe you'll figure out by this and I'm if I say yes or no what's the number one complaint about Monster Bash that's it what's the number one complaint about Monster Bash oh okay um I'm not gonna say yes I know you know it's uh I don't know whether there really is a lot of complaints and I'm not certainly hood probably the only one that I know is that people sort of say that the rules are a bit shallow yeah okay yeah yes and I'm gonna give you a reaction so we do get reaction though from George George Jay and he said he misses him and he said the best recent segment guys was when the car got stuck in the ditch great job with Gabe right next door in Massachusetts well did you know that axle said congratulations guys on 50 episodes Morrow and Ryan I look forward to Tuesday mornings when the new episode drops I haven't missed an episode yet and they get better as time goes on you guys really are ambassadors for both pinball and Melbourne gee it's hard to pick a favorite however he goes episode 21 with Ron and Bruce from the slam to a podcast they stand out as my favorite for hilarity and also episode 41 with Keith P. Johnson was also my favorite from a Content perspective keep up the good work and I look forward to congratulating you on your 100th yeah a lot of people love the drunk episode my I messaged you during the week and I said I'm pretty sure this is the winner because it's so old compared to the newer episodes like is like it just happened yeah but the drunk one has has like Jake Scott message in and said there's been a lot of great moments but the drunk episode with Manny was by far one of the favorites yeah yeah well Nicolas Nobin good friend of the show end of the stream also said my favorite comment my favorite moment is Keith Earl wins interview because he's one of the most interesting people in pinball and I could listen to him all day all the Jeff Telles droppings are refreshing well we've only really officially heard one and son and Marty's yearly I hope drunk cast so many moments have me laughing tease in the Train with random passengers wondering what I'm listening to clearly a pinball podcast cheese better the news this is a huge huge announcement Marty CPR which stands for classic playfield reproductions right there's a lot of information and I might make some mistakes when I grew up what about this now but basically when you're playfields stuff they're the main guys usually that you can buy the new play field off and they had gradings like gold silver bronze depending on on how well the the play field turned up now the annoying thing about this is that they're not always available to be a couple playfields available at one time when there's enough demand they do a run people get excited they might have waited five years they might have waited forever because the first time they're doing it because I also didn't like batches didn't mine yeah they did it in batches because of the process so creating present they do different layers of colors they have to make it set for two weeks like but it's all written in the thread the huge news is that they also do plastics and back classes the huge news Marty is that they have figured out a different way to make these playfields and that means that they can do a run over hundreds like before but they also can do a run of ten or even a run of one so their goal is over the next a couple of months or however long it takes them is to make every single plastic set back glass and playfields that they've ever done I think there's over 100 and 100 games available to buy so if you want one of the play feels that they've made before you just go on the website you order it and you get it delivered and you might scratch your head if you don't know what you know the whole process is and say well you know it should be like that to begin with but obviously there's hurdles and that's how come everyone has been making them and this this changes a lot of things Marty for a lot of restorers who else do you think it affects money oh it's it's you know anyone anyone that has a machine that's relatively old where they get a crack plastic all right and yeah and I think you know up until now if you get a crack plastic you you have to look online and if you do happen to find either that plastic or a set of plastics a you're lucky and B you have to pay a lot of money for it because people know how rare they are so this chair opens up massive pop possibilities and you know they had to buy new equipment for this so they've gotten rid of Marc Silk-screening and it's now a digital press that they've got it's a significant undertaking but the demand is there so you'll get your money back guys and then some yeah and we reached out to them and they agreed we use their announced kind of future interviews but they agreed to come on the show to talk about it so probably in around two weeks ever they're really busy at the moment so probably in about two weeks we will have that interview for you guys and they you know there's a lot of questions been answered in the in the thread already but we all kind of want to hear it from the horse's mouth and it will be interesting to see if they provide single plastics as well like so instead of buying an incomplete plastic set you can just say oh my slings broken I can pay ten twenty bucks and get that delivered versus buying a set and having all these spares but it's not even just that so you know that that's that's on demand so effectively they've now become really an on demand service but what it also means is that they can do a low run of a number of machines and then set up a store and you can just buy those those products there and then so they they do sort of replace some of those companies that are doing all those sort of plastic sets when they come available they can just have stock of everything if they've got the room for it yeah I think it also makes the you know a lot of people start doing their own playfield swaps I guess versus getting your machine restored you know I think that's still obviously gonna be a huge demand for restored high and restored pinball machines but you know instead of getting get junked play field and getting someone to repair it you can just buy a gold standard play field so huge implications on the Hobby because let's face it you know there's a big new inbox market but people are still buying old games and they're swapping hands non-stop so I hope they continue to make more and more playfields I bake we still play I don't think that made any of those games the old stands but yeah so said you know what else well I asked my garbage no skill trashbag love the show that was one of my favorite messages that was from Glenn thank you very much then for writing this we did say you can write anything alex buzz messaged in and said yo dudes my favorite hates to H be more podcast moment is you guys discussing the terms and conditions of episode 50 giveaway apparently I can type any garbage here and I am in with the chance whoo-hoo cheers Alex another one my favorite so Tony wrote in and said episode 47 Josh up best episode in quite a while I think he means that all the episodes around that suck my dick I think that's what it's sounding like crap up until that moment but it was actually I gotta say the Josh up episode was absolutely amazing so yeah crystal garner messaging to say hey Ryan and Marty Sylar dating a guy who is totally into pinball a year ago and trying to one-up him with a few that sorry within the few last months by listening to your podcast my favorite moment is when you guys are laughing ie ballsacks letter opening pinball company and the top 100 versus Google every week you make me laugh and I learn a thing or two and then she asked a question about in the original theater of magic did the tiger soar spin I said no she lost the bet with her boyfriends I'm sorry crystal you know you could have just left it there and been okay but you had to get some so what do you know about Dennis Nordman I know that he's currently employed at deep-rooted pinball I know that he makes probably the best flow in pinball machine is that I like you know besides see Steve Ritchie is a different type of flow it's like fast flow Dennis moment like a a very poetic kind of yeah whitewater and demolition man so I was listening to an interview with Dennis and Joshua Clay the top past episodes I've downloaded like almost all of those and then whenever I finished a podcast it just randomly chooses the next podcast to go to yeah I don't listen to Dennis's yet and I'll link in the show notes that it was really interesting conversation he had and it was really honest with how hard it was to work with Disney regarding the Pirates of the Caribbean pinball machine you know what they were allowed to do and what they weren't allowed to do and the license was so fragmented like you know everything had to be done separately hey you want this you got to pay for it you want this and you know to make a viable pill machine they could only afford you know like a Johnny Depp sound like like they they said okay we can't you know Johnny Depp wasn't interested so yeah you have to you know we use a sound like but you can only choose our approve sound likes you're not allowed to choose anyone else I don't know it was it was it was a really interesting listen and I guess it's kind of relevant to you know what JDP would have had to go through and you know and and to see what they produce compared to soon back in the day it's only there in the show notes and everyone can give it a listen another interesting fact Marty he said that he is never designed an orbit that's just a clean orbit that orbits all way around the pinball machine and I was like huh well what closes well it goes into the Pops though that's I mean yeah well if you hit it from the right it'll go all the way around that's right so yeah he's a liar like I kind of she wait to see what he comes up with it's it's been a while I hope I don't know I hope there are $50,000 deeper in pinball machines just so I can see you know what they like what is the 50,000 I don't know well hey what does an $85,000 pinball machine look like it look like a supreme embalm machine that's being advertised in Australia at the moment so you know if people pay $85,000 which they won't I call that guy yes legit I caught it I saw it pop off and I was like it's just hilarious I find the entire Supreme him all things estimating so I called him and tried to kind of suss him out see how we got it and you know I said it's a new inbox is like I what customs opened it and I'm like you know does it work on the Australian power line and he's like yeah for sure sure I'm like it doesn't it's spiked it's it's running on the wrong you know the wrong Hertz it's like ah you know there's there's the AMD here though I'm sure they'll they'll help you and I'm sure they'll help you out but yes someone has has smuggled and it's I don't know how he wouldn't tell me how he got it either it's like they don't they were only shipping to I think Canada Mexico and the US so he somehow bought it within like the minute that it sold out in and got a ship to Australia okay I doubt it's gonna be unsightly no I don't think we will ever play a supreme but as I've said a number of times I've played the spider-man Home Edition so I know how it plays I managed to bug him down $95,000 did you yes I was just like you know what whould you sell a [ __ ] come on watch yourself or and it's like oh you know maybe 80 like it's a significant drop if I if I bargained down anyone five grand I'm at the more machine I'd be jumping for joy but in this case it just goes ridiculous - slightly quieter percentage when you're talking about but the total asking price yeah anyway but look I just wanted to go back on a point that you said about Dennis Nordman and the flow I I kind of get exactly what you're saying so we talked about Steve Ritchie Steve Ritchie is ramp to flipper ramp to flipper orbit to flipper orbital if a ramp orbit ramp orbit right except for like maybe no fear that belief shot maybe breaks that away yeah I'm sort of still more so in the more recent steer which ISM and yes of course I'm a big fan of that I I really enjoy it coming back to the flipper but yeah I guess what you're saying with Denis Norden minutes it's more it's more theatrical it is more of a dance it's it's it's more of a ballet of flow as opposed to stomp of flow sure exactly I think I think we talked about before but you know when Jack came to Australia was talking about dialed in he said you know Steve Ritchie's you know does amazing people you know if he was a musician he'd be like a drum like bang bang bang bang and you know Pat law would be a family tree and violin I think those games by Dennis Longman you know I think some people don't like him and I don't like all of these gangs but those well even scared stiff like hitting the the bony beast ramp on a scared stiff like feels nice and when you get in that scooped and it shoots up and yeah it's a vek shooting up into a ramp and then it propels the ball forward just in one sweet kind of motion like it's no it's kind of cool mm-hmm I get it so did we hear from JT this week at all yeah JT swingles he said hey you guys I have to say the latest episodes 48 I think I think it's 49 with the face alone interview was a classic and I also laughed my head off and you did the original question with the Google check very funny great job on all the episodes and don't change anything an interview with a designer of kingpin would be very cool one day keep up the great work Cheers JD thank you Nima said episode 24 mmm about - how was 20s in Mario's tanked shop he says Bob Lee Bobo and hack me up laughing muddy snorts Lawrence laughs goes from the next level drunk marty is just the best guys if you want to see drunk Mahoney just two times a week - screaming - twice a week I just realized like a bit like you do the podcast and like six hours of streaming he's like nine hours of talking about pinball every single week recorded for the archives that's a lot yep that's a lot Mariano I didn't even more this week Terry Sexton emails in and says hey guys I enjoy every one of your podcast so it's hard to pick a fight I suppose the most recent favorite was these zombie Yeti episode you guys do a great job with the interviews and ask all the questions that your listeners want answered keep up your good work isn't it funny that we didn't start off like that money like we didn't think we'd be the interview podcast no but we have somehow become the interview papa well I mean we still do other stuff as well and but um you know what I'm gonna say I think it's because we actually really enjoy doing the podcast the blog the interviews right so it we are genuinely interested in finding out these answers ourselves and so what what's actually probably being a big surprise about that and you know Joe coming out earlier was was the same is that it's Beth I don't think it's ever happened where someone has said well I'm not gonna answer that question people just sort of answer the questions and I think it's because we are genuine genuinely curious and we want to know the answer so we come from at the same time we're pretty respectful towards the interviewer we're not gonna you know we don't interview people to try and find out what they did wrong and ask for an apology for for something or you know we we're not gonna get j-pop on and call me back in the day I haven't listened to the podcast everyone says it's a it's you know not a great podcast because he called j-pop neck shivers for 16 money yes so will said my favorite episode so far was when you talked to Beau and Karen's and also Chris Frenchy both of those guys have a great sense of humor and you guys have a good banter back and forth thanks Bill back to the news Manny you just saw the Hobbit yes so what do you thinks gonna happen oh look I think probably you know two weeks after I sell Hobbit they'll be new code for it what it what's happened [Laughter] I believe this week I think wins or Tuesday they not normally stream the jjp guys they're gonna be streaming new Hobbit codes which is exciting for everyone that's been holding out for The Hobbit to kind of have that final bit of polish that might change up the the gameplay we don't know what's gonna be in there I mean Keith said it was gonna be after they're done with pirates so a lot sooner than expected it's I don't think is gonna be released right it's just probably gonna be be shown on the stream while gets to work probably a working process a progress build I don't know maybe winds need Aldean code coming that's another one that needs well I mean the games pretty much complete it's just the video thing I still don't understand why the people that call you on the phone still aren't animated yet it's just an OCD thing you can do not that Cory Cory Cory message in and says love the show guys all the way here in Houston Texas the sly bit last week had me cry laughing so Scott said I'm Marty and I'm first let me just mention how much I adore your podcast it is so much fun to listen to each week and I always get a good laugh at some point I'm a music teacher in Baltimore and have been a pimple fan since I was a kid I started working at age 12 in a movie theatre back when that type of thing was allowed we had a few pins in the lobby and my favorite was bright of pin bot yep the one you were commenting so much on from the artwork from last episode that machine drove me wild with excitement and I promised myself that as an adult I'd own it very machine well several years later there she stands in my living room regardless of whether I win the big prize or not he said it'd be super cool to get the doll in art I truly love what you do for the Hobby and more specifically for my own entertainment you will always have at least one listener here in Baltimore and when you come to visit my grapecity great city stop by at the crab town diner they've got about 40 great pins to play Cheers you wouldn't think a place called the crab town diner would have 40 pinball machines with you-know-whats craft but but you know what's that isn't that like that ice ice go key place in LA Herman in barbecue place and it's got all those pin balls as well so hey you know did you know that did you know the Kardashians went there money no I love the Kardashians they're my role models okay I just know they're not they're just not they are literally the trashiest people in the world their richest [ __ ] are trashy slags jerkin if I selected I need I need a baby see that's what I need money anyone no okay PS I'll finish off Miley PS I love Australia my partner and I spend about a month every year in Sydney I haven't made it down your way yet but have added Alice Springs to have you meet our Springs money yes I have if there is a magic town is there it is amazing I did I did the whole get in there get in the four-wheel drive drive all the way through you know Flinders Ranges and then up to Central Australia to uluru and then up to Alice Springs it was one of the best vacations I've ever ever had I went really young to all over in Alice Springs so yeah I don't have any memory except climbing as rock and people screaming at me tell me I shouldn't do it but I was a kid so it's like Rob Miller yep emails in and you say say run and money keep up the top work fellas in maintaining a positive and balanced outlook on the hobby so much better than the trolls and then it because I have a new ticker Marlin Johnson yeah anyway this is my entry for the dolly inside art without a doubt the best segments date was the google voice assistants Eggman where Google started to talk back to Ryan I was laughing out loud in the car and I was almost crying it was so funny everyone seems to listen to that episode in the car and either either either crash or always crash the cries you have caused people to have accidents Ryan so good friend of the show and great podcaster Jeff Rivera from the people podcast said good job guys if it wasn't gonna email but since you're so thirsty for those replies here we are actually I do I really do enjoy the show despite the positive talk about avatar clean that up and you might get a trippy say congrats on 50 episodes when to get to 100 you can do what we did hold an event in Vegas have Ryan Claytor make custom shirts and posters and lose in a tournament to your listeners its what true egomaniac all ego maniacal narcissists do oh and a cohort co-host you decide which one can announce that they're quitting the show and then leaving the other to scramble to find a willing replacement good thing ahead boys keep plugging away so who's who's quitting money me are you I volunteer as tribute I'll quit I'll quit today the last episode guys so you guys think I'm joking yeah I think I'm joking next episode my gonna say and with me is nobody that's right that's exactly just gonna happen heads to nothin pinball so what else is news money well the world of Facebook it's a crazy world don't you think sometimes you see things and sometimes they're gone but you still remember that particular moment where you see something and you think to yourself what the [ __ ] just happened that happened this week to me did it happen to you yes I'd saw a post from someone saying that their their time in the pinball industry is done yes and who was that money was Christopher Franchi amazing friend of the show Christopher Franchi and please please say it ain't so yeah I I think I haven't looked I can't find the post anymore so maybe it was just some drama that was sorted out but I do like his out Maddy I don't I don't own any of these SP machines I did hear you on another podcast today talking about how much justjust say that again money just that that intelligent thing that you that you said on the air podcast just say it again on our podcast this was I was on the eclectic gamers podcast this weekend half the show was talking about pinball half the show was talking about video games and a lot of people messaged me saying that they were really surprised at how much I was into video games anyway we'll get to that later so what I said is I like he's art the most because even even though you've got the likes of zombie Yeti and and did Donnie which they're amazing I'm not saying that Fran she's the best and they're terrible I'm saying they're they're just as good but I like his art style because even though the imagery is flat it has a 3d perspective to it you actually get depth from how he uses I guess light and shade but the sharpness of the the objects in front with the background you actually just get this depth and and particularly on guardians of the galaxy it's really noticeable there it sounds small I want to listen to it last night I think it's because I think it's because dennis is like with you and like says something intelligent afterwards whereas like it goes back to me I'm like yeah nothing I said I said it better what I'm saying is I'm not gonna say this good so you can go and listen to the clicked gamers podcast yep so hopefully that's that's whatever that was is is sorted out otherwise I mean if he's not working for force turn then hopefully he would work for and the other like every single other company would would want him like who wouldn't want him doing the machine they're working on yeah I can't think of oh yeah proving himself right so he's only to two peoples date but you know well as he said on the click the game is podcast like the art that's coming out right now is pretty damn good like getting spoiled for art we are getting the best art it's it's just it's what we need okay what it is it's it's all the stuff that us as fans have hoped pinball art would be that's what we're getting except for Star Wars and Game of Thrones yeah so it's a well I don't know any any other bit of a story but I guess it's an ongoing topic that we might have some more information about well you might have because I'm gonna be here next week yes Michael Higgins message in money and he said hey you guys didn't even actually write that he just said hey guys love the podcast I have no talents so I will mention my favorite moment in the podcast I enjoy every show but recall laughing out loud the time that the Google Voice did the talking slice slice alone was fun as well I don't wish to encourage Minds drinking but the drunk episode was funny as hell they're all funny keep up the good work Michael Higgins that's that's the top three the top three emailed in was all in one email right there so we should always just give it to Michael just like that discover the box but we will be doing a random selection later so Chris said listening to the tube oh and talk about how to run better tournaments Congrats on 50 episodes guys I enjoy everyone thank you Chris Ryan T messages in and says hey guys just want to say loved the show thought you might like a few big lebowski shots do you either do either either of you like White Russians my is that even an entry or was he just wanted to show us his Big Lebowski he wanted to really show us he's big about so Ryan you're amazing for having a Big Lebowski right so thank you for sending that in and making us feel terrible that you know we'll never play here Austin said hi guys I had a really hard time between one episode that's my favorite they've been so many good guests the Keith's the Josh's how could I choose they remember one guest that stood out from all the others it wasn't a pinball celebrity or Andrew Highway it was Ryan's daughter explaining the rules to Creature from the Black Lagoon that interview put a huge smile on my face she is adorable thank you for all the time you spent making the podcast and and can I also just say so so I go over to Ryan's now quite often and he's daughter V is that funny every time you say her she is hilarious she's the most difficult kid I could ever imagine to raise but it comes with just making me laugh almost every day with just the random stuff that comes out of her mouth and sometimes you laugh at her because it's so funny and she gets upset because she that she wasn't meaning to be funny just her mind just works in a kind of a different way than than everyone else so I I told her I read out that email to her and she was just so don't think she gets the whole podcast thing and having people listening and stuff like that and some actually came over on the weekend and I can't remember what she said you know he was a pinball guy and I think she's asked the guy like do you have a pinball podcast too and he was like no and she's like what like is this hilarious anyway that was another for so let's go to another huge huge announcement it is a huge announcement so it was announced this week that Steven Bowden good friend of the show they're all friends of the show Steven Bowden has joined deep root the deeper like the the deep rooting deeper yep deep in Bob now Steve's very lucky that we managed to get Joe who - Joe chemical to come on the show the last minute because if Joe didn't come on the show the episode would have been called Steven Bowden gets deeper like fought a fight you know the eleventh hour Joe came through so this is we discussed this I mean we've been discussing deep roots since the first kind of ridiculous set of announcements and I'm allowed to say ridiculous because that they were right like that the stuff that were claiming was was pretty you know please tone it down now Robert but you know the biggest question was who's doing the art you know after all of the announcements were made about all the hires with you know the sound and like I guess five playful designers the question was who's doing the code and the answer was I think was Turner logic and everyone kind of scratch their heads and said you know well they're not really pinball people so and then there was a question was you know the the the code will never be was a thing like something like you know will the code ever be complete or would the code be complete on the lease he said we hope to make that question irrelevant kind of suggesting that it might be open-source and he said no it's not anyway that was all a couple of months ago Steven Bowden is now going to be I guess spearheading the ruleset design I don't think he is a programmer muddy no I think he is he is yeah come with the title but it really is about Rawls yeah I think he also is a ambassador for Jessica that's right does that mean this yes sir where the anal gag like localization it does but I you know I actually think it's a good move because you know yes we've we've joked about the name and all that kind of stuff and yes it's funny and we were always going to laugh about deep Brut and you know Robert Mueller wrote to us one day and said that he finds it funny as well and and we had some good banter with him so I like the fact that Robert mule has actually got a good sense of humor as well so that's great but here's the thing about Steven Bowden you cannot ever say a bad word about steep mountain because he is just the nicest person he really is just he's a really nice guy he's got infectious energy he makes a great ambassador for that company yeah he loves pinball as well and you know if I was to think of two people if I if someone said you know who you know who should be poach and get to design our rules from that you know for our company you know there might be a lot of other people out there that could design good rule sets like like Steve but from a public specific of what I've heard on podcast and on YouTube the two people would be Steven Bowden and and bong currents and they've been and you know both those two people I mean like I said like Keith Alwyn obviously those rules back to front but I've never heard him on a podcast talking like like Steve has been on a million podcast and every time he goes on there he speaks passionately about rules and what he likes and he doesn't like it you know streaming commentary right so and he talks about the rules in the situation of what people are doing as well so he knows them really well the the most thing I'm excited about is Steve doesn't like the things that I don't like well I I don't think you're gonna see a light show in any of different pinball machines if Steve has anything to do with it that will blind you because Steve brings glasses to pinball tournaments because he hates you know like certain life's flashing in his retina he will make sure that the tilt warning you know sound is different than any other sound in the game I remember I think it was on the pinball podcast with with Jeff and I thought miracles Jessica back then or the other dude but yep done yep talking about how I think was x-men or something has like a borrowed sound from a different section so when he's like trying to get into the zone like he doesn't know if the sounds are took warning or just stuff like that like he's deep into pinball so he will be a great guy to design real sense yeah I don't know how he's gonna do it for like five games or three games or whatever this seems like a pretty hard thing to do right like how mmm good on him I think I think it's absolutely a good move to bring him on board yeah big congratulations to Steve and we would have gotten on the show as well I mean he's gonna be appearing on the this week in pinball podcast to talk about it so that'll be I guess tomorrow so I look forward to hearing what he says yeah speaking of hearing what people have to say like yeah give us is what James Tata had to say hey guys thanks for keeping up the great show it's great to keep up with all the news both worldwide and in Australia specifically to my favorite moment would have to Marty's drunk sure I'm sure there will be plenty of others with the same thought cheese James thank you Andrew Clark messages in and he says there are so many the news special that tried the triceps and the calf Slater pretty well every episode mentioning the letter folding machines ryan singing et cetera et cetera so I want a clarification I said the singing is his horrible and he says yes that's why I like it because I you know like me David McKenna and hello David it says hi Marty and sir triceps great work on your podcast I have two special mentions in regards to your comp one favorite episode was Christopher Franchi as he was really open and honest and I loved his artwork especially Batman 66 and said just to piss off Ryan he's a pic I took of him showing off his triceps in front of his C which will put that in the show notes no you will not Dave Dave McKean he loves Christopher Franchi if there was a Christopher Franchi fan club he would be that the first guy to register he is like he's obsessed he I've bought him some Christopher Franchi art when I went to TV F and it got rough but he got a repaired everything was good anyway Andrew cleanest is in and says Marty's pot plants just a small some might say we joke do you think that he thinks that I read on my pot plants okay so just to clarify it didn't weigh off my pot plants I vomited all over them easier vomit Molly you chanted I chanted chunder oh my god that [ __ ] episode from slam tilt where Ron was going off about chunder struck I was amazing all right back to the news massive massive new Star Wars one point the biggest news of the week guys Star Wars 1.04 Code has been released what's it I haven't even read they the shownotes the money what's in there nothing nothing no no literally it's just bugs the bugs being fixed sucks being fixed okay I'm not even gonna say speaking polish even that much did we did we just put in there so we can like go back to our emails how gloriously correct correct well we'll go go to the emails in a second but I just wanted to there was a another tribute that came through would you like to hear it sure money I actually haven't had this yeah what do we got today you're asked to do that tribute message for head to head pinball what show us that they have pinball over there yeah I don't think I know the show you were on it once duh not surprised I am the freaking voice of pinball have you heard some of these clowns on air I mean really hey wait a minute is it that drunk guy in that pervert who loves triceps and bones up two strikes and spares for crying out loud does anyone even listen to that oh look at me I can talk into a laptop mic and put out a show on the internet because no real radio station would hire me pathetic [ __ ] amateurs all right let's get this over with or even make it better things to do hey there it's Jeff Keolis a pinball profile just want to wish a happy fiftieth episode to Marvin and Reilly you guys are the absolute best Ryan what does it even matter alright we'll start over again you know head-to-head pinball podcast wouldn't even be possible if it wasn't for two guys in New York State Ron Hallett and Bruce nightingale who created slam till podcast and Ryan's he was such a big big fan that he not only would email every single week but he would basically steal the format of the show don't believe me here's Ron Bruce to say am I right or am i right oh you're right those freaking convicts down there those sons of [ __ ] they steal everything we even did a cease and desist letter against them they still steal our things that's the same member of the podcast I have to say Bruce is right I have a feeling even though they've only done 50 episodes pretty soon we're gonna start hearing George Takei and some Oh mais why not right yeah they flame the top 100 yeah that's a direct ripoff of face off their new segment is a ripoff of a piece of news they do a mailbag yep the teabag dem [ __ ] okay of course no one else does a mailbag bris we totally invented that of course we did we did course we did but we do love the boys and they are one of our favorite podcast chef Tila's guy also is pretty good but uh they are one of our favorite podcasts and congratulations on 50 episodes guys well deserved and keep up the good work here's to 50 more half suckers hello from Doctor John and Emily and do you know who Marty and Ryan are no aren't they the people from Sesame Street now that's Bert and Ernie but they're sort of the same as them they do a podcast how come I've never heard them because they swear a lot and they're usually drunk and they're weird but they've done 50 episodes so congratulations congratulations and hope you keep it up and keep letting everyone know that not all Australians are like you they're more like a start they yes yeah all right well done boys bye see ya we have the new president of deep root Steven Bowden joins us right now hi Stephen how are you excuse me I was that recently promoted already no no no I'm rules designer and and rude ambassador not not president I'm just foreshadowing well you've been on so many different podcasts so you are perfect for this we're gonna play slam the top-100 but we're not going to do pinball machines we're gonna put in the random generator podcasters alright you'll get one I'll get one we'll play their stupid little game and see how this goes so Steven this will be yours Google please give us a pinball podcaster Oh too bad you have Ryan your Google please give me a pinball podcaster lucky you you get Martin oh this is an easy win for me this is a piece of cake talk the praises of Ryan go why is awesome he knows the rules he really gets into the game he's talking about even goes into the game soundtrack and starting a face and call out to see if this Easter eggs and I know ask the interviewee a strange question about it to get some sort of exclusive that's journalism real Jerusalem right there what those importantly Ryan seems that control to Jeff they get posted on the poll to see who won a debate that's very smart cash control of that but it seems to be the defender Jeff wins anyway also his ruse AK presentation was very good when I got one he delivered the goods quickly and efficiently I appreciated the rusik presentation to me so all in all this vote Ryan Ryan all the way Mart what can I say you know you start off the podcast with the better voice and that's why you hear Martin on right away the guy is a professional he is a better pinball player he just recently beat Jordan Treadway one of the greatest players in the world this guy knows his stuff a way better dresser to that laugh is infectious it makes us all laugh - and we love it when we listen to head dad pinball does this guy know gin my goodness I don't drink gin I want to drink gin when I hear Martin talk about it and nobody and I mean nobody can read a pinball flyer better than Martin I think I'm gonna dip Martin well you know Martin he gets drunk a lot even more than some of the meltdown podcast that I've done it plays in tournaments which is good I must give that but he's admitted to not knowing some of the rules at the games he's played in the tournament I feel if Martin had Ryan C's dogged dedication to game knowledge he would do even better than in tournaments and he does and as I mention before I mean he falls victim to Ryan's Jif trap he seems to be getting the worst gypsies assuring his defeat he must find a way to take control the gypsum rise and if he does that he might be able to do better but vote Ryan rise better Ryan would have the better Jeff anyway but Ryan okay I think I've said a lot of positive things about Martin but I think I'm going to take this time now to attack Ryan this is a guy who once talked about a circle jerk to a 16 year old girl have you ever heard this guy interview anybody here I'll give you a sample of it how did you get into thimble every frickin time and hey Rapunzel cut down your hair what is your rock star come on you're not fooling anybody you mentioned the ruse axe him delivering it that wasn't an Australian thing that's just one of his many perversions so go ahead and vote and figure out which one's the better of the two it's easily Martin what do you think Stephen Ryan clearly won this I've had the better arguments it's Ryan vote Ryan all the way everybody all the best to you in Texas Stephen alright thank you very much Jeff hey guys it's Stallone I heard about the number 50 it's a big number happy birthday Martin hey ed it's a pennant I wanted to congratulate you on your 50th podcast and let you know I think you're freaking amazing I listen every week with my main squeeze isn't that right honey that's right [ __ ] Katy be nice sorry mrs. Pym I don't know what you see in those two years I'm the only man you need well why don't we sing them a special song you know the one we sing to each other you mean our song okay you're ready let's do it okay [Music] guys happy 50th love you keep up the great work I give it a 7 oh my gosh it was honestly worth doing 50 episodes just to have that happen oh my gosh unfortunately Jeff its base of arrest number generator and nonsense is it though ah my neck hurts from laughing so speaking of which let's talk about slam the top 100 from last week so this was a Addams Family which I got versus Star Trek next gen yeah and as as Jeff was just saying you did put up the better oh it was actually um step out and I said you actually did put up the better gift he was saying that G is it Jeff or give people sage if people say gif both is acceptable okay but yeah you even put up the better gift but Adams family was always gonna win yeah 64 percent of votes 92 votes all up I'm happy with with 36 percent um yeah that's they something up against Adams family no one else family absolutely shall we do it again this week let's go it again please generate a number from 0 to 100 [Music] Indiana Jones okay so you've got Indiana Jones okay please generate a number from 0 to 100 all right for each run legacy we already don't run I don't think we have future Tron your favorite machine thank you mm-hmm it's gonna be hard to argue against that considering how much throughout these 50 episodes you've talked about how Tron is your favorite game well I'm just selling the same we are we are all set the scene by if if I didn't buy in the air Jones and I we wouldn't be talking right now money sure that's how a significant Indiana Jones is okay cool I'm not just waiting for you to tell tell us that everybody how bad Tron is that's all yeah I know its flaws okay Indiana Jones right when you press Start and you insert your credits you hear that beautiful John Williams the theme music you feel like you were in the movie you feel like a [ __ ] hero right playing that game it is one of the best pinball machines of all time easily the best wide buddy way better than demolition man right you've got the beautiful sculpted gun handle you've got you know Harrison Ford staring at you on the back glass runnin Bruce you've got the two beautiful ramps that you can you know do the dog fight left right left right you've got the turning skull in the middle you've got the greatest super jackpot call-out of all time it's worth owning that machine just to hear that guy burst his veins saying super jackpot I'm not gonna try and do it because I'll do disservice to the to the call-out you know three levels of multiple inside you have you have three video modes Marty and yes video modes suck not in Indiana Jones you can shoot people in a in a busy barn you can do the minecart escape and you can choose wisely and if you don't choose wisely yeah your face [ __ ] burnt off I'll give you Indiana Jones okay thank you I appreciate it let's talk about Disney Tron Legacy it is one of Ryan's favorite games not Ryan's favorite game the best game let me tell you why Tron is amazing I'm gonna start with the soundtrack let's talk about the soundtrack provided by Daft Punk it is phenomenal you stick a subby on that baby and your world is crazy it is just amazing you can hear the vibrations of the sound it's got great lighting particularly the le with it where it's got the you know the lighting around the ramps it's got a really good rule set really tight rule set as well you know it's not necessarily too deep which is exactly how I like my machines it's got a great flow it's got a great layout you know it's one of John Borg's best yet beautiful machine absolutely love it Tron just to add a couple of extra points Indiana Jones the wizard mode is amazing hit every switch in the game to get one billion points the Machine goes off when you get it right I'll blocking up a play field how can you forget that Tron Legacy what can we say about it it's it's a it's a Disney pinball machine so under a lot of restrictions you can't see what the hell is going on on that piece of [ __ ] DMD unless you buy a really expensive colored MD and then you can kind of make out what's happening horrible dots the shot layout you know you can spend you can you can save about five grand and get a finance instead right just to reverse for the house the gem shot to hards you know the sound the soundtracks pretty good it's not amazing there's a lot there's a lot of debt if you don't shoot up the middle properties a lot of dead end shots where the ball kind of like doesn't like it does nothing and then just just ripples back versus like Sparky which has a magnet so if you miss the shot or get the shot it kind of throws it back every single tron the motor in there will end up sounding like this ring it's it's it's it's a horrible part that is really loud and the last thing is the software okay the software is possible because what happens mighty when you get to save simulation or portal you play the shitty mode you fail and then you're in jail then you have to start all over again it's it's a very linear game Keith P. Johnson he says he hates playing it Keith Keith at one sorry the other Keith it doesn't matter they're both the same people Keith Keith linear game who wants Ally [ __ ] game what do I do now you just [ __ ] do any of the stupid modes and then you're in the new title you're done you do because it's one of your favorite machines right so everything that you've just said about Tron everybody just lo he said it's one of his favorite games so that whole gym shot I've seen him hit the gym shot and go yes he's actually lying to you so a vote Ryan is a vote for Liars it's it's it's a vote for highway it's a vote for Dutch pinball it's a vote for people that promise I've been not actually telling you the truth and also speaking of promise he said nobody forgets the path of adventure that's because it never works the mr. K in the address of the first machine ever bought and it was so perfectly dialed in and everyone complains about all this stupid [ __ ] I still haven't to this day plays in Indiana Jones as good as the one I've got I'm sure they've been restored this this and that they all play really average and I understand why people don't like that game the one that I have maybe I was less OCD back then it just played beautifully yeah you know what it's actually and you know we talked about Star Trek Ness generation last week those that kind of know whether it's of the era or whether it's the widebodies of that era but the maintenance on those is pretty high yeah anyway so in the next couple of days it'll be up on Facebook for you to vote for me the honest part of this speaking of awesome people yes messages this is from Hannah and I love Hannah because hannah watches my stream and also she doesn't like you Ryan you see the pretzel pretzel person yep she said hi boys my favorite moment in the podcast is ryan singing Captain Planet I think you should end all podcast by singing songs from my childhood also Ryan smells love Hannah ah what should I sing this place was the height this was the hate mail that you pop it said love Hannah ah that's right Ryan smells love Hannah I think she likes this me smelling it's scientifically proven right if you love the way like love someone's stench then you're chemically like aligned with each other right okay yeah I've not seen the lab results but sure okay Chris messages in and says boys I nominate they're the very first episode I don't remember how I found you guys probably a vie arcade but straight away I was strung out for your second episode I've since eagerly awaited every episode and enjoy each and thanks to you I now love the fine work of YouTube LEDs from sorry I'm sorry again and thanks to you now also love the fine work from the two lads from upstate New York Martin has introduced me to competitive pinball and just tonight I can pet it in my fourth competition at pixel Ellie so I was like right there next to me hello Chris hey Chris we do tell people I'm improving each comp and I love it since your podcast came along it opened me up to so many aspects of pinball which I never knew about and never knew interested interested me I can't read today I'm sorry really love what you guys do I've got nothing but praise and thanks for your great work Congrats on the 50 episodes looking forward to the next 50 Dave wrote in and said split pants in the ditch had me in tears Chris dovell writes in and says to me the best episode so far was the zombie Yeti episodes mr. zombie Yeti just just laughter that you didn't know it was gonna go his long situps I think he's gonna say something really profound and truthful when it's just it's just a joke we at the censor [Music] funny so shall we do this week in pinball before we announce the winner of the competition and talk about our next competition let's go for it okay so what we both get up to this week a shitload of competitions like really three competitions this week and I attended all of them you attended all of them I did who did better than the other you smashed it money I did all right this make it I did really good yeah III I don't remember any of them when I was running down you know what we did this week and pinball I got [ __ ] three comps yeah it's been a long week it's a long week it really had so we we went to pixel alley and that is a three strikes elimination how far did you get through I think I came seven four six I had I had a chance to knock out someone it was the dumbest moment I just he had 22 million gallons of the galaxy Luke and that's not a very good score I had like 10 million got into orb multiball and somehow just just [ __ ] the entire thing up and I got eliminated and then he went on a massive run you're gonna lose seven games in a row met you in the finals Marty yeah up until that moment I did there was a couple of great games I had I've got a close to 500 mil I think on guardians of the galaxy and Twilight Zone I think this is in the I was at the top three I managed to get something like 750 ml of my first ball so that was going to be very hard to to beat yeah then got into the finals I had I had two strikes left but Luke beat me twice in a row first I had a really bad game on Iron Maiden I then had a semi-decent game on Game of Thrones but Luke just absolutely had a crack up but the other thing obviously we got to speak got to play Iron Maiden a lot more and just the more I play this game the more I'm in love with this game I'm in love with it too money I've actually trying to poach an Ellie off a bunch of people I need to play games now before before or during them and and it's guys are just putting from the feelers out there if if you're in a Nellie and you've paid half from AMD or Zacks and you know laughs a bit hard and you want you want someone to pay and take the rest of your order it'll go to a good home okay and then it'll go to Ryan's yep so yeah what I had found the competition at thistle alley the one moment that I kind of raised a little bit inside you know I shouldn't raise its pinball it's fun name its ability relaxing he can't hear the games there right because they're playing like like was a5 and Backstreet Boys and and stuff right yeah great music I was playing I was playing guys the guy was saying is that guidance Agassi game and he was a second ball I shoved the machine I got a warning I thought I might've got a second warning I look up at the screen it says danger like all right one warning because two dangers is danger danger I then got into multiball if something happens I gave the machine a little nudge tilt I was like what the [ __ ] like and hey I know this isn't something new all tournament players but use different hero machine so I don't need to look at it how how hard is it to just write danger danger when there's two dangers like you've really got the danger there the second danger is obviously treating somewhere in the code just copy and paste the [ __ ] you know the animation and then and then there's two of them so when someone looks at the screen it says Danger Danger so what happens when you go into the the settings and you allow three to it warnings Danger Danger Danger don't good I just wanted you to think through this okay yeah that's a little danger times - or danger times three yeah yeah well you know parts of the Caribbean the new one that's what the right idea it shows you how many took warnings you've got left my fear is that these machines will forever be like that like it's so simple to implement Brian but it'll probably never be fixed I know Iron Maiden does it properly iron men will say danger danger and then tilt with it with you know Satan's in there smiling yeah but I don't know like I wouldn't have shoved the machine that way if I would tilt I think is the real summary here how come some machines hack them all every [ __ ] machine the 90s hasn't Marty but somehow we're incapable of doing it now I do not know man I do not know anyway this is my one one little OCD rage bit so does it so then we went to base side up sorry I've got another rage bit coming up base oh no no the base AIDS no no you dope yep we don't do bay side so this is what is it it's a best game format over three games and then finals so semi finals and then finals how'd you go right I wasn't gonna come because it's on the other side of the city for me during traffic it takes too long to get there but you would have taken your time to get there well yeah your stream started and I saw you with streaming ghostbusters a game that I absolutely loved and I saw that the game had no tilt Bob or people seem to be shoving it around very little consequence and I thought man I've had a hard day I wouldn't mind bashing goes fast it's not gonna I've got like a three in five chance of playing on ghostbusters so I drove up managed to just kind of like get into the qualifying thing I ended up coming I had two horrible games on ac/dc and Aerosmith I needed like 300 million on ghostbusters to get into the finals I may end up getting like almost broke my wrist doing it but got a hundred and fifty or so on on Ghost Busters and didn't get in I didn't know my you know that skill shot plunge thing on ghostbusters I thought that you had to hit it before it hits the switch and I thought that was the trick but even if you hit the switch like as long as it's pretty quick it still registers so on every other machine it seems to be like I can do that whole skill shot thing on this machine I was like banging it in and as I said I like it's on the stream you can see me fail like 15 times in a row with everyone behind me laughing embarrass I was was that was that always the case all code revisions because this this particular Ghostbusters has got old code it doesn't even have the cross this I know and I know I was like oh yes I got into that I'm like a guarantee like 50 60 million whatever it is and I got the [ __ ] bacon choosing game and got nothing now and so the actual worst thing about this particular Ghostbusters besides the flippers clipper gap is that the left scoop just constantly spat the ball out down the middle and you know with a wide foot per gap it's very difficult to to save it but because they really was note up Bob we were just sliding this and you had to violently slide this just to save the ball from going down the middle from that scoop I kind of I said I kind of like playing it though like playing a Ghostbusters with it over the title you know like just just horrible with the the the ball jumping around the place and the Scolari's and whatever but it I will actually try my hardest to go to the next comp simply because I want to bash that machine again and I don't want to like you know wreck people's machines or anything but this is this is what I want to talk about the condition of these pinball machines Marty and this is the biggest comp in Melbourne this is what most people go to there's forty something people it's a monthly comp right Lucas does an amazing job running it it introduces a lot of people to pinball he doesn't put a lot of effort into it yes we are supporting the people that put the pinball machines on site yes it then on free play money gets just put in there the machines of [ __ ] Marty terrible [ __ ] awful not well I would say probably the only one that that still plays okay is Iron Man yeah because there's hardly anything to come a bit break on there wrong but the simpsons pinball party doesn't work the ac/dc doesn't work oh I just write this rope it's fine everything everything it was miss fine I mean they pretty much putting new pinball machines there and until I have issues and they don't fix issues and if this was like if there was a new issue or something like when I walk out to a city seems apply my play my game okay it's almost worse when you have a good playing ac/dc at home you know when you come through a one on site that's fast you know the entire GI was strobing like not strobing like like everything the entire GI just flashing like a disco so you can't like you have to look at the the ball like it like a Dwight Sullivan jackpot was going off but it wasn't they just just constantly the entire game the Ford there's this five drive Tigers on the side ac/dc four of them were just machine gunning just bang bang bang bang bang bang the entire time and they'd stop and they do it again so no song jackpots wasn't registering any of the neither switches nothing and you somehow them in to play these games and it said if it just happened then fair enough but I talked to Lucas this is an ongoing issue like what what needs to be done like what why is the Melbourne pinball seen supporting I guess because there's nowhere else but like what needs to be said and want is to be done for this [ __ ] to get faces obviously it's falling on deaf ears yep fix your [ __ ] guys come on [ __ ] because we're supporting you so just pay someone to fix it it's probably not even that hard so Simpsons garage yeah Simpsons garage right like but on both like the one at pixel and the one at base like both the garage doesn't work and I'm gonna put my pinball machine on site minding my Simpsons and I will probably have a fuss garage as well yeah you'll probably have to fix it every week but anyway so you know it sounds like you had a bad night I didn't I had a great night because I managed to get into the finals so well actually I got into the semifinals and how it works is if you're in the top four the top four plays off against each other and if you win you straight into the finals if you lose you then play against the week two winners out of the five to eight so I was in top four I played against Jordan on the stream everyone sort of put money on Jordan to beat me and guess what what happen to be me they beat me of course he did but I then played next and I played on Aerosmith and I won and so I got into the top four and something happened Ryan what's that mani I had the eye of the tiger you listen to Katy Perry where you know I was listening to a basic friend of the show Scott Danesi he was listening to total nuclear annihilation in my ear buds no I tell you what happened so it was myself it was Jordan it was Nigel and it was Stu and again you know everybody even myself all money was on Jordan but the first game that we played was Aerosmith and Jordan put up I think it was about a 90 mil that was respectable and I had to try and chase him down and normally I would panic and I would fail about and I'd try to get quick points and I thought you know what I'm gonna play a nice measured long game and I did and I just picked away and picked away got into modes mode modes modes modes modes caught him and I won by the way it was a hundred and ninety six mil and you got two hundred or so don't shortchange yourself four hundred men okay honey I can't remember the point are you looking at the scores okay I remember the scores okay well you're gonna have to remind me then what happened on ghostbusters which was next so I don't actually have the scores in front of me I just I just remember those guys but I think I think um so Jordan played after me so I managed to get 500 mil and he was chasing down 500 mil and he was on 300 mil and I think he might have ended up on just shy of 400 mil so that was two wins and the scores were on this were four two one zero so for for the win so it was then I was on eight points he was on four points and what it meant is in the very last game which was on Metallica I just couldn't come last if I came last I was out oh if I was that's right it forced a tie-break between myself and Jordan if he won yeah and he's pretty good i'ma tell him he has Metallica at home right Metallica so I didn't win Metallica because I got a respectable score but Stu blew it up but Nigel was playing he ended up not doing so well so I was through anyway but Jordan didn't end up catching up so I won Bayside this week yay Maddi pin Berg practice cities and then we had our third tournament which was the rush town retro pinball arcade tournament how'd we go Ryan yet this is the one that I kind of snuck into because you know someone came and qualified late and bonafide the results and then someone else couldn't come because they had surgery so I had no business kind of being there so any result besides the last was a good result for me I managed to scrape through the first round and eliminate well at the first so it's 1 1 & 2 verses 11 and 12 so I was and and number one was Luke Maher a very good player you bet you earlier this week and number two was Marcus the guy who like owns all the pinball machines so came last on the first game first first and I think third and so managed just kind of scraped through second so I got into the final round of six and then I was up against you my I managed to get into the the next round as well so three groups of four became two groups of three and it was you me and good friends of the show Stacey Borg it's exactly what happened last year pretty much right yep and only one person got through to the finals and what happened Ryan first game was last lap last lap yeah yeah I managed to come first on that that was pretty pretty happy and feeling pretty confident next and you came second the next game was on Stella was which I was kind of emailing Bruce Nightingale I'm like how the [ __ ] you play style was is it really just spelling Stella Wars so I'm looking at the play field and everything is so far like to spell Stella Wars pretty [ __ ] hard there's so many things you have to hit you know and the wars bit is like the in lines and there's nothing to feed the in lines anyway you you managed to spell spell Awards like a million times yeah hey I actually put up a really big school like if those if those schools were interred in a normal competition they probably have been like 1 & 2 or something like I've managed to get like three hundred and something thousand you got like 600 or 700 yeah it all came down to the last game on Paragon Paragon yeah so a lot of Paragon I love that the game was was on there because its game is so unforgiving in certain ways I was on only like I think 80,000 on the last ball and I kind of knew what score I need to put up to catch you and I was pumping myself up I too was listening to music that day for the probably the first time ever I had headphones and I found that it kind of worked especially in a kind of a crowded space like that yeah I punched the ball that's the last ball said fully psyched up like yes I can do this I know what to do the game plan is there and the ball were constrained to the base layer no it's just you know I had four other balls to do good work and I failed so that's Paragon for you yeah it really is so you were out I was in so I was sad for you not really I was really happy for myself hey back from last year yep pretty much and so again so I was up against Daniel Luthor Lex we call him and the three machines we had were I've got to remember them was it Grand Slam Grand Slam robot and something else xenon FINA and it was xenon so first game we played was Grand Slam he picked that one and I lost because I just I don't I just don't know how to play that one it was awful I love haven't lost once in Grand Slam yet anyway yeah so then we play xenon and I won on xenon comfortably and then it was down to robot the very final game and if those people that know Zachariah robot it's actually got this ramp that's pretty it's it's a u-turn ramp that's pretty tricky to get particularly on this machine and once you do these five robot cylinders pop out and if you do that you get big points so on my first ball I managed to do that and drained as soon as I knocked them all down but you know we're still on about five hundred thousand yeah some of em and then Daniel camera he did not get the robots up once but he just managed to keep the ball alive and managed to get the what was at 20 times bonus multiplier and so it was down really was down to the last ball I was sitting on about 700 mill he was probably about 780 mil or something like that and so I I plunged it did a bit and and just went straight down the guts now also with Zachariah robot you get bonus ball time so the more you're playing you get these additional seconds at the end of the game so once those seconds die down the game is over so I had 20 seconds punch the ball the balls bouncing around freaking everywhere just coming he's free money did you scream give me the [ __ ] ball yes I did scream give me the [ __ ] ball and it finally got to my flip bar one flip I got and I flipped it and it went up that freaking ramp lit all those robots they all popped up as it came off the ramp my seconds ran out and I didn't get a flip on them it was so gut wrenching so he pretty much won so I came second and I was happy with that so for this week I got two seconds on a first and a first against Jordan trade away is a mega first never never heard about that guy yeah I thought I fell for third or fourth place against Marcus and I lost on last lap by trying to shore plunge it hit the this that weeds switch and just inside rains and he don't looked at me and he was just like what the [ __ ] you do that for just full plunge no no I don't know exactly it was so disappointed that I didn't beat him oh it wasn't smiling it was like your new yeah you could've beat me anyway thanks to Marcus for writing the comp and Luke and Lucas for borrowing the other ones shall we quickly go back to the last bit of feedbacks absolutely so Stu mcclain says hi guys I never missed an episode of your podcast I love the jocularity that you infuse into the show it is both fun and informative and find myself always looking forward to the next installment sometimes I listen to it at half speed just to stretch it out for a bit longer it also makes it feel like I'm having a few beverages with you I think that I speak for everyone si episodes exactly is I think that I speak for everyone that I say when I say that I appreciate all the time that you both put into making a top-class podcast also thank you very introducing me to do phonic tones of Jeff T olace and finally I love the chance to win keep up the great work thanks to he is one from Keith you guys are awesome are my numbers better than Keith from Keith well tell you thanks yeah so one from Daniel P he says I hope I'm not too late I hope you haven't filmed the new episode yet how'd I get that I think my favorite episode so far has to be the last episode episode 49 when Martin says oh my god mates made me do a spit-take when I was I wouldn't he was talking about Dutch pimple yes so you know the thing that I notice about all this is that people have like a different sense of humor people you know people think that some bits that you know we're good I don't know so like everyone has a different taste like we don't we can't make the perfect podcast for everyone but if you throw enough random [ __ ] in there that's right you can relate it to everyone yeah we just we just throwing so many darts on the dartboard that we yeah we get a couple of mistaking exactly someone getting in the eye well I'm disappointed that you Aussies don't regularly carry around Roo sacks I do laugh at you bouncing up to Keith Elwin like a deranged leprechaun and bestowing upon him a sack for his golden coins Congrats on 50 and we'll see Marty in Utah that's what I'm hoping Scott I'm gonna go for Aaron it's a shorter he says I couldn't pick any single thing I like about the podcast I'm just trying to say congratulations on the 50 episode guys day Lex Thank You Aaron and Jason says gents there are so many highlights over the past forty nine episodes but the highlight above all has to be the Google Voice you guys are really funny and you really get the balance right I would love to send both of you guys your efforts for your 50th episode anniversary money is easy just a fabulous bottle of gin but not sure what you get for Ryan Ryan's OCD maybe some melon mind sponges for cleaning his games of possibly a book or possibly a box of hexagons or maybe a voucher from Medan blade comdata you weekly work know where I can send the half century treats so what else happened in your week this week Ryan so I went to a pinball meet a really big one this weekend money after the Ross down [ __ ] me so um so dough so I went to a pinball meet on Saturday money after the Ross town competition you couldn't make it I did a Facebook live video this you can see this guy's amazing collection his name is Paul and his wife is Kathy and I had a really good time playing Addams Family as it was like the the first Addams Family I've played in a while that that works really well and almost worth mentioned I know it's not super duper hard to do that but every other Addams Family I played you can't make the rounds properly unless you hit him perfectly yeah it's got a really really nice collection this is a monthly thing in Melbourne because of a guy called Michael Smith he has kind of been the catalyst to making sure that every month in Melbourne there is a non competition and can will meet with people just get together play have fun they're all organized on arcade comdata you go and check it out there preacher from Black Lagoon is gone muddy already yeah I never bought it so it was just it was I could have had it for one day I was just picking it up for someone I had actually played it pretty much since the competition I just been being flat out and it was funny because Eddie came to pick it up and you know I was joking before about putting on stuff though I'm considering it and I've never put a white star pinball machine on site muddy so I didn't really know how the coin mech kind of thing works so I kind of fiddle or you know I tried to get the coin net to work it wouldn't work I rang up Michael from AMD and I had a chat to him and he was just absolutely amazing boom the next day I had this interface board that I needed to use and he gave me instructions on how to kind of hook it up i sat there for been our poking around had to find 12 separate 12 volts and ground and and and then I had to find that way to get the pulse from I know this is all going over your head money but this would be useful for someone I was kind of proud of myself of getting as far as I as I did but I couldn't get the pinball machine to when I was putting coins in to pulse on anything and I had a little test fixture set up and I I thought you know I could spend like another five hours here not get anywhere and I knew he was coming over the next day and it is ingenious when you know dealing with your stuff this guy fixes different machines like there was business so I thought I'll just wait for him to come over I'll ask him and I guarantee he's gonna know what I've done wrong straightaway sure enough he comes to pick up creature I run through what I just you know told you just now and he says you got to close the coin door and like what do you mean he goes on on these pinball machines the door gets no power if it's open and I'm like what the [ __ ] I heard the same thing machine's ooh the belly Williams do for some reason the the whites up and machines don't so sure enough I didn't even need the [ __ ] interface board like there was really a body in there so that whole thing was Parnassus was so firm Michael talked to me on the phone about how to do everything so I I pulled the plunger out on the coin door and it worked so that was a that might save someone a couple of hours of him or you know yeah so Game of Thrones is now at people paradise I marry mentioned that my kids absolutely love playing no goofus math you think that's a target audience well Bucky thought about playing fishtail she caught it my youngest one called a fishy pinball and then one day it was gone and she walked into the room and she just started crying says where's fishy people where's fishy pinball and I she was too young for me to explain to her like it's gone it was never mine what about anyway every time she walked every time I rearranged the room now he walks into where Wizard of Oz's and it's not there and she freaks out like like she's scarred for life over 50 taels pinball you know where's Wizard of Oz where is abuzz so I think the same things gonna happen we're no good guys trying to show they're from that lastly I may have bought another pinball machine literally 15 minutes before we said you just said add this to the show notes breaking news you know what I'm not gonna announce what it is or anything because it has not been picked up yet so who the [ __ ] knows if it actually brought up in more machine money has been transferred this is a pinball that was on the list I guess you will never find out because I have quit the show but Miley might really next week well so speaking of trying to buy pinball machines either by people or machine I've been sending you like every ship in war machine that I've seen money and one of them yeah it happened to want and it was at a good price and I even looked at the price and when I don't even know whether I'd haggle that much on the price I'm happy with that the machine looks good I sent and it was on Facebook marketplace and I sent a note to the person saying is it still available two hours later he said yes I said Friday I said would you be around on the weekend for me to come have a look and he said I'm not in the whole weekend why are you advertising the machine then yeah you know what Maddie just just to cut into your story I as soon as I saw this pinball machine which was sent to me by this person right I'll mention him you know when I told the proper story I said can you message this person as well and he said what's the point of me messaging then we just fighting over the same machine I said I don't know like see just double the chances of getting the machine some people just a certain way you write the message or you know my brother in the wrong way and it [ __ ] works muddy because I was writing pretty much the same [ __ ] that he was writing the same price as everything right and I was getting different responses she was like now you know how much you can offer and Jen trying to get me to bid higher and higher and higher and then but the other person that the Tomioka machine he got he got it so Wow what the [ __ ] you mean like misses this guy and say hey I'll come pick up on the weekend yeah somehow because sometimes you nice you say you know hey can I come and check it out and they might think I have this guy's a [ __ ] tiger hmm [ __ ] them just say I'll take it I'll come pick up on the weekend and then if it's [ __ ] you can walk away [ __ ] you can sometimes yeah you have to be the current muddy yeah alright I just I just think with this one it's like if it phase just like well I'm not gonna be here at the weekend what he could have said was do you know what sorry look I'm not gonna be here in the weekend however you're more than welcome to come over during the week okay so that was it so is it so available my knees are still up I'm not even bothered come on you can't see that that sense it Marty when you're buying it to my machine I just feel I'm gonna pick up and pick up a machine with negative vibes it's gonna have negative energy and I don't need that well it is like it is on Facebook so he did get to see your face that's that's the bad thing about buying and selling on Facebook is that people get to see your face like I don't like that guy's face and what's something to him yeah yeah well I also did look at his profile so that's why I stopped you know so until the obviously I've mentioned it before the other thing that really happened on this weekend was I was on the eclectic gamers podcast I got up at 4:30 in the morning Ryan to record the clock in the morning why why couldn't they do it later actually I think I did the same thing I think I did okay but at 5:00 or 6:00 it was a Sunday morning I could sleep in it was not a big deal but what was really interesting is that you know the the you know podcast goes for nearly three hours so you know you know it's a good podcast when it goes for that long and literally like 50 50 percent of the show we talked about pinball and fifty percent we talked about videogames we talked about if all the eight generations of consoles and what were our favorite games on each of those generations and that was a lot of fun that because that's the bit that I'm up to so I look forward to hearing that because obviously people listen to this podcast know that I play pinball what people don't know is that I have played an extraordinary amount of video games and I have owned an extraordinary amount of consoles that's why you think that fanboys a stupid Marty because it's all good isn't it it's all good stuff well this so this is what it was about the - fanboys because back then the whole you know Sony Nintendo console wars I was like why you guys fighting I have both of these consoles they're both good but how many how many times did Mario in on each generation any times no come on Marty I don't okay look look at oh you've been listen to the podcast okay okay I've been playing Mario Odyssey with my kids and that [ __ ] is magical I have no other word but magical like it makes me feel like I haven't grown up and I don't have bills to pay and I don't have the stresses of anything when I play that game because it is that fun switch yes I need to get my switch back oh oh my gosh it is so good and you know what else did one of the main thing is good about you know don't worry about the mechanics and the you know the flawless execution of everything they try to do it's sounds every sound and every world is perfect and I'm just thinking man if I could make a pinball machine you know not that got leave one just pretend that never happens they can make a pinball machine that like an I knew like a Jersey Jack ah sure they could do it because Nintendo had they were very close for a very long time right like they wouldn't allow anything except you to play Nintendo content on their consoles but now you can get like like iPhone games it up gets christlike fortnight's cross-platform with it's worth yep so surely someone's working on that they have to Mario multiball Luigi switch frenzy so that's that's really our weekends that's we've read out all the the messages that have come through shall we do a random number and find out who's won that amazing prize which is what is it again right it's a full side cabinet side art for for Darden it's a it's a decal I guess you can leave it with the you know like don't don't stick right or you can just kind of like yeah oh my god I'm blank blue tack it on your wall yeah so I would generate a number from one to thirty seven money go for it please generate a number from zero to 37 and please be in Australia Chris Nilan well maybe he'll talk to us this time I have a Chris so he was one that said that he he found eat like their first episode got him into playing pinball we saw him at pixel alley which was his fourth competition so well done Chris you have this fabulous prize nice I guess I'll just give it to them in the next Valley mate yeah why is every fries from Victoria anything it's it's it's just very convenient so we do have we do have a lot of listeners like like that you know this Lansford podcast like a lot of their listeners are everyone they know in New York so we have a big following in Melbourne alright we've maybe the competition though don't we Ryan yes there's some kind of a t-shirt like you know they've gone 50 episodes without Parmen off any swags anyone so what have you done money so we've actually got a fan of the show for quite some time now has been sending through some concepts for pimp or t-shirts and and I guess we we kind of didn't really want to necessarily well maybe I didn't really want to necessarily do the pimp or t-shirt thing because I didn't you know we're just a little podcast and we sort of just do it for a bit of fun and you know getting a t-shirt made up is serious business right what missus pin did it like the first way well as soon as she did all her swag I thought well we've got it we've got to holla yet that was a trigger point as well I was like [ __ ] if she's doing it then let's let's get after him so so we have done a very very limited run of pinball t-shirts you can see the design on our Facebook page that is the back you can see a very very attractive man modeling that t-shirt on the front you can't see the front but the Front's just got a little small head-to-head logo on kind of like your pocket sort of position Mady breaking news yes our most light photo on Instagram is that the back of your heads just so clean-shaven yep thank you Bearden blade come dude are you so here's what you're gonna do we are going to give away three t-shirts Ryan okay three t-shirts I'd actually know like I haven't been involved in any of this process so I'm not playing dumb right indeed and said I won that's actually what happened yep so here's what you need to do because these t-shirts are super limited edition Ryan they are selfies SLE t-shirts in order to to get one of these t-shirts don't tell me about it post a video on our Facebook page telling us why you deserve it's so embarrassing are you serious oh this is how you get super at least it's either that or you need to write a foreword page for paycheck essay explaining why you should you know being in the running to get no and no one's gonna send in a VA no I'm absolutely kidding no all I'm doing is I'm telling everybody that we've got t-shirts and next week we will tell you the details about how we are going to run a competition oh okay people like you thought I was really gonna do that so it's not this week oh god this week was already a massive competition we're gonna do it again next week okay you've quit the show we have quit to Sharon and I'm not actually here what else have we got is that it I think so I feel like this meant to be something else he's one more thing Ryan and wait yes we are gonna play you out after we ah yes [Laughter] sorry so explaining what it is no wait well you can explain okay so good friend of the show Andrew McLean he made this song for me and Marty and it was funny because when he sent the song Marty well I was disagreeing about something like you know happens every week we're talking about something yeah and I was like [ __ ] you Maddie and then this song came in and I was like ah I love Maddie this is a great relationship [Laughter] yeah he must have sensed that we were it look it doesn't happen that often but there are some times when we don't agree on things and then it was this moment where it's like yeah I do love you bro it's like it's like when you know you're going through a hard time in your marriage or relationship and you and you dust off the wedding photos like ah [ __ ] look at us back then we were so happier and we do love each other we do let's let's work through it yeah so I was one of those moments and yeah he made us a song for us my own like the theme song it's all it is our song so thanks everybody will speak to you again next week see ya bye how old are you I'm 19 so cheesy you got a more manly voice and the money I just you know I just want it to be magical just to every other guys bit of thought what a surprise that these two would hit it off so well a podcast worth listening the pinball shell is bristling the whole world is under this spell Oh buddy and Ryan another bromance like the romance and given half a chance after the covers made both bit lovers sucking pinball having a blast time for the top 100 opportunities are squandered who's gonna win the stakes are high if pinball's got a spinner Ryan lobster is a winner muddy loses cuz he reads a flyer they have many people guess Jeff the Ola Stig does jest Albert Johnson gomez Richie she taught white summit colors funny lights a highlight take a hike and Ryan LexA could rule scent obsessed money Ryan [Music] they comes around I wanna hear that [ __ ] sound of money sculling for Jim he wanted Iron Maiden but AMD won't trade him The Hobbit what a pain it's Ben and Ryan's on a mission without his wife's permission or machine that makes him grin she hates the walking dead she has nightmares in ahead she's rather play ghostbusters instead old buddy and briar it's defined how you shot two favors so fast more than our email - highbrow and yes I think it's gonna last that just made me win this nothing to do the Flyers I ordered a Lynx well kids it's a cult [Music] you [Music]