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FNO Pinball Ep 7: Black Knight LE w/ Chuck Ernst from Stern Pinball

Flip n Out Pinball·video·2h 29m·analyzed·Jun 18, 2019
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TL;DR

Stern's Chuck Ernst discusses Black Knight animations and hints at record 2024 release pace.

Summary

Flippin' Out Pinball streams Black Knight Sword of Rage with Chuck Ernst, Stern Pinball's graphics/animation director. After significant technical difficulties, the hosts discuss Chuck's animation work on Black Knight, upcoming Stern releases, and the ambitious 2024 production schedule. Chuck hints that Stern will release the most titles in a single year ever, with multiple cornerstone games remaining after Munsters and Black Knight.

Key Claims

  • Stern Pinball will release the most titles in a single year in company history in 2024

    high confidence · Chuck Ernst: 'the thing I can say is this year we'll have the most titles we've ever released in a year'

  • Elvira 3 is confirmed as coming at some point

    high confidence · Host: 'Elvira 3 is coming at some point... Yeah, it's the worst kept secret ever' Chuck confirms

  • Black Knight animations were created under tight timeline (couple months) influencing the 'Robot Chicken' style approach

    high confidence · Chuck Ernst: 'we basically only had a couple months to do the whole package and we had to kind of make it look as good as possible in a short period of time'

  • Black Knight's licensor was flexible with creative changes, allowing post-release additions and updates

    high confidence · Chuck: 'This one's a little more loosey-goosey with the licensure. They were like, cool, add as much... because it just adds value'

  • Chuck Ernst started at Stern with WWE pinball coding on mini display

    medium confidence · Host: 'He started back with Stern Pinball back on WWE coding that mini display on WWE'

Notable Quotes

  • “the thing I can say is this year we'll have the most titles we've ever released in a year”

    Chuck Ernst@ 15:06 — Confirms unprecedented 2024 release volume at Stern; major business signal

  • “as good as this game looks, the next game, when you guys see it, you guys will flip your brains”

    Chuck Ernst@ 11:30 — Teases elevated animation quality on next Stern release; hints at continued design escalation

  • “every designer goes, I want that level of graphics... How high can you go?”

    Chuck Ernst@ 11:40 — Describes internal pressure/competition among Stern designers to match animation quality bar

  • “This one's a little more loosey-goosey with the licensure. They were like, cool, add as much, you know, make it as cool as you can because it just adds value.”

    Chuck Ernst@ 19:35 — Reveals licensor flexibility on Black Knight; indicates creative autonomy vs typical licensing constraints

  • “we basically only had a couple months to do the whole package and we had to kind of make it look as good as possible in a short period of time”

    Chuck Ernst@ 10:10 — Explains animation style choices as result of production timeline constraints

Entities

Chuck ErnstpersonStern PinballcompanyBlack Knight Sword of RagegameFlippin' Out PinballcompanyZach MinneypersonKenpersonBillpersonSteveperson

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern staff (Tim Sexton specifically) actively monitor community animation feedback and suggestions for future updates/releases

    medium · Chuck: 'Tim Sexton watches all these things... You know what's funny is people think we don't read these things, these comments, but we do... the good ones, we pay attention to'

  • ?

    product_concern: Rapid release cadence causing financial stress in collector community; Jason Fowler (Slap Save Pinball) requesting slowdown due to wallet suffering

    high · Jason Fowler requesting slowdown: 'his wallet is suffering right now... he's plus two games, meaning he's got room for X amount, and he's above that'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Black Knight animations created with 'Robot Chicken' aesthetic by necessity due to 2-month production timeline; Chuck suggests style works well for pinball despite being constraint-driven

    high · Chuck: 'we basically only had a couple months to do the whole package and we had to kind of make it look as good as possible in a short period of time so in a way it kind of ends up being that kind of like that robot chicken kind of that vibe'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Black Knight licensor notably flexible with creative content additions compared to typical licensing arrangements; willing to embrace quality additions

    high · Chuck: 'This one's a little more loosey-goosey with the licensure. They were like, cool, add as much, you know, make it as cool as you can because it just adds value'

  • $

    market_signal: Black Knight plushie (glowing eyeball hand) considered as merchandise tie-in; would come with LE machines in coin box

Transcript

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0:00
Oh. All right, now it's your turn. All right. Audio three. You know, this is my fault. I just wanted to let you know. Audio's good. Audio's good? What? Take that kind of approach.
0:25
All right, audio's good. All right. Yay, team. Let me see if I can have the camera. All right, see, this is where it all goes south.
0:40
See, I always think... No video on tape? Oh, yeah, all right, so... All right, let's see. We might be close here.
0:49
See, every time he says bell, I keep thinking he says vowel. Oh, wait, there's a video. There's a video. Uh-oh. Let's see if this messes us up, guys. Oh, I'm sure it will.
1:29
Good evening. All good. No, all good. Awesome, Dennis. No, all good? No, not good. So what did you do, Ken?
1:43
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medium · Chuck: 'There was talk of doing a plushie... like in the coin box... Big, glowing, eyeball hand, plushie'

  • ?

    community_signal: Chuck Ernst oversees animation team at Stern; has hands-on role in all LCD/DMD visual content; multiple team members contribute (Josh, Danai, Zach, Mark, Tom Kizavad for storyboarding)

    high · Chuck credits Josh, Danai, Zach, Mark, Tom Kizavad with heavy lifting; describes himself as 'human field with upper management' coordinating between teams

  • ?

    product_strategy: Black Knight subject to potential future updates/re-releases; Chuck notes animations never truly 'done done' with software platform allowing additions for new production runs

    high · Chuck: 'A lot of these games, they're, you know, they're done until they're not done. A lot of times, you know, we'll have a situation where they'll go, you know what, we want to do another re-release, do 250 units, and part of that is, you know, we'll add a mode or some stuff like that'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern releasing unprecedented volume of games in 2024 with multiple cornerstone titles remaining after Munsters and Black Knight

    high · Chuck Ernst: 'this year we'll have the most titles we've ever released in a year... We've seen Munsters... and then Black Knight. So here we are in June. Right. So you got three more? Three more? Three or four more?'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Elvira 3 confirmed as coming; described as 'worst kept secret ever'

    high · Host confirms Elvira 3 coming, Chuck affirms, host notes this is known information; Stern executive Greg has discussed this

  • ?

    technology_signal: Stern Pinball planning eventual migration from Max/Maya to Blender for 3D animation work; staff enthusiastic about free tool quality

    high · Chuck: 'we're hoping to eventually kind of switch over everything to Blender because it does everything you need for the 3D stuff... Blender is actually very cool. And it's free'

    • I just rebooted everything. Reboot? Hold on, hold on. Tell me you're getting all good. Dance. Dance must be sound good. All right. Dennis says we are all good. Yay. Penn Stadium says yay. All right, that concludes tonight's video. Thanks for joining us, everybody. We're all done. Tune in next week when we answer the audio questions that we received.
    2:13
    All right. I'm trying to think of the Batman 66 post. Next week when we pull Batman. Tune in next week. Robin. Same bedtime.
    2:24
    Will he take care of his cat scratch fever? while they're in the sands of time. Are we good, guys? All right. So let's do this. I think we're okay now, right? Ken's going to buy some. He's going to get rid of AOL for it. Oh, my goodness. With his bits. All right. We're going to upgrade from DSL. First of all, I want to apologize to everybody that had to go through that. Nobody was more stressed than I was during that, and I appreciate everybody that helped, especially Dennis. Yes, thank you, guys. I've been rebooting all of Streamlabs' picks. I apologize to our guest, Chuck Ernst. It was worth seeing the veins in your head. Oh, my goodness, bro. Ken was a little stressed. Scanners. I want to do a little housekeeping real fast because there was some generosity here, and I want to make sure that I call out as many people as I can here.
    3:25
    And that is Zahnerith Dennis Creasel. Thank you so much for the donation of the bits. Team Low Prices, thank you so much. PinQuest Pinball, thank you. Pinstadium Scott, thank you. Lord Helmet, thank you. Loser Kid. Josh, thank you.
    3:42
    You guys are all incredible, and I appreciate it. And thank you for the follows, and thank you for the subs. I mean, this is exciting for us because we've never had to really acknowledge any of this because we haven't been eligible. No, that was the first. So, streaming ain't easy. No, it is definitely not. Streaming is not easy. Oh, yeah. And now I have to... No fur. Neither is pinball, though. No feathers. No forelegs. Fine, team a little bit here.
    4:11
    These are a few of my favorite things. Yes, Dennis, it does seem that sometimes it does leave some fecal matter in the bed.
    4:20
    All right. Damn it. So, anyhow. Now, thank you guys. Hey, Chuck, thanks for coming in, and we'll see you next time. How do I make you tingle? I'm glad we paid Tuesday for a connection on the internet today. Oh, my gosh. I feel so bad for Chuck that had to go through all that.
    4:42
    The next thing that's going to be really messed up, I'm going to get a drink. Where's my drink? Ken is definitely having a drink. This is Chuck Ernst playing the game. And Chuck Ernst is the graphical computer artist manager who runs that department at Stern Pinball. So all these animations you see on the screen, he's either directly involved with or has overseen the team that has done these animations. And he started back with Stern Pinball back on WWE coding that mini display on WWE. Oh, thank you, Scott. I'm not sure I understand that. Thank you. All right, hold on. We've got to go back and see what's happening here.
    5:26
    Want to grab a beer? Yeah, I don't need a beer. Hey, there are some Red Strikes there, too. You're welcome. Southwest.
    5:34
    Pennsylvania Pinhead with 100 bits. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you. Penn Stadium gifted a sub-tier one to Dennis Zandra for a month. That was awesome. Thank you. Loser Kids, subscribe. Tier one. Thank you guys very much. Thank you. Thank you, Josh. And then Slap State Pinball Podcast is used 515 bits. It's a special one-lit stream here, which is hosted by Flippin' Out Pinball Channel. You guys are all awesome. We've got HeyIt'sJoeBob subscribed with Prime. I can't even thank you enough, man. This is killer. I feel like I'm on top of the world streaming. You guys are unbelievable. And I hope I didn't miss anybody because I was absolutely stressed out. So totally my bad. We're going to get Ken's heartbeat down a little bit. We're going to relax. I'm going to grab a drink right now, actually. And life is good.
    6:25
    Yes, yes. Oh, yes. Did I do that? I don't know if I did that. Breaking the game over there, Chuck. Sub love. He will never win. What?
    6:38
    So again, I don't want to dwell on what's happened in the past, but I'm embarrassed and mortified by the beginning of that. Not only for everybody here, but for Chuck who's coming in here. He looked at me and he's like, I thought you guys had this shit down. I thought you guys were pros.
    6:53
    He's like a amateurist. He's like, what the? I was going to have to call my kids and have them figure it out. What kind of podcast are we doing or stream are we doing here? Chuck Wirtz says, animation question request. How about a way to show the player their progress in the modes via the animation, like have the Hydra head disappear as you chop them off? DocBrown85, thank you for the follow, brother. Thank you. Chuck, you got a comment for that? You're not at work, but you're here to answer questions, though. Do I turn to your job?
    7:26
    No, just kidding. No. That's a great suggestion. And I know Tim Sexton watches all these things. He's kind of the guy that... You got it? I got it. All right. You know what's funny is people think we don't read these things, these comments, but we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, a lot of them are dumb, but the good ones, we pay attention to the good ones. It's good. And Loser Kid, you're right. Zach said, Ken and Bill, we get the subs and the bits money. So thank you guys. Thank you guys. Yes, thank you guys. Overly generous tonight. You guys have hung in throughout our little adventures for weeks. And to have Chuck on, I'll tell you this. So Chuck was on our podcast right before we came on the stream. We did a nice little interview with Chuck. Chuck's got a great personality, man. He's got some funny stories. He's the kind of guy you want to go in the basement and drink some Jackson Coke with for sure. Oh, yeah. Cheers.
    8:24
    So this is good. Man, I'm so relieved right now. I feel like doing shots. It's just where it just goes downhill. I know. It's like, yeah, computer works. The screen's working. Now I won't be working. I'll be like, oh, under the table. And can't screw up on the machine. Twice. And buy your machine from Flippin' Out. Yes.
    8:43
    Chuck says, but I love the whole idea of all the battles. Really well done on the animation. So he's giving you some props there, Chuck Worth. All right. Thanks, Chuck. Yeah. Once again, I have to say, I'm wondering, like, I don't know if Josh and Danai and those guys and Zach, any of those guys are listening right now, and Mark, Tom, Tom Kizavad did all the storyboarding, and he helped come up with a lot of these ideas. These guys should get all the credit. I basically just was like a human field with upper management. So these guys actually did the heavy lifting. You keep the core together, though. I mean, that's what you do. Yeah, no, it was, there was a lot of behind-the-scenes planning and Jedi mind tricks to get the thing done. But, yeah, it was a good, the hand is creepy as hell. The hand is pretty creepy. I do like it as well. There was talk of doing a plushie. Oh, yeah. For the Ellie. Right, to get away, like in the coin box. Yeah, like you would come with it. Yeah. Whatever a kid wants. All right, right. From their dad's Black Knight Ellie. Big, glowing, eyeball hand, plushie. Right. So this Black Knight Sword of Rage Ellie is for sale, so you can contact Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball, because once we finish streaming, it's going to go somewhere else. So the question about whose idea was it, the style of animation, it was kind of a in a lot of ways it was kind of a necessity we basically only had a couple months to do the whole package and we had to kind of make it look as good as possible in a short period of time so in a way it kind of ends up being that kind of like that robot chicken kind of that vibe because those guys have limitations they have to produce a lot of episodes So there's kind of that feel to it. But in a weird way, it's kind of pinball. You know, so it lends itself to pinball. To me, it's mind-blowing that you can come up with these quality animations. You know what's mind-blowing, too, is right now Zonrath is going nuts, and he's gifting sub-tier ones to everybody in chat. Man, that's unbelievable. He's gone crazy. So, Dennis, he's still taking care of business. You're the man. You're crazy. Crazy Dennis Greenfield. Thank you, Dennis. Ray and Dennis. Nicely done. Nicely done, Dennis.
    11:06
    Wow, look at this guy. He's going all nuts. Anyways. I better go log in. Yeah, right. Go log in now.
    11:13
    So you're working on a few games right now. Dennis is still at it. Oh, and we've got Team Little Prices.
    11:19
    He's used one bit. Nicely done. Still not a bad third father. So you're working on a few games right now, right, Chuck? Yeah, actually, you know what's funny? as good as this game looks, the next game, when you guys see it, you guys will flip your brains. And here's the sad part. It's like every time we do this, the next game looks better than the last. And then it's getting to the point where like every designer goes, I want that level of graphics. And you're like, yeah. You keep setting the bar high. How high can you go? Yeah. So pretty soon it'll just be Minecraft. We're just going to go for the blocky. I love it. Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead, thank you for the 200 bits. Cheer 100. Thanks, buddy.
    11:59
    Man, you guys are, like, so generous tonight. I appreciate it. Thanks for putting up with our stuff. It's very suspicious. I think they want the shirts to come off. No, I think it's you, man. You got the tiki shirt. Listen, nobody cares to see us shirtless, but to see, like, a prominent Stern employee without a shirt, that could get some traction going. You know, the first person to donate 1,000 bits. No, I'm kidding.
    12:21
    Chuck Ernst will show a nipple. It's just there you go. Right. Hopefully your mom's not watching tonight. Oh, she is. I'm up there. She's so disappointed. All right. I'm sorry.
    12:35
    Way to bring it down. Oh, nice job. I'm telling you, it's not a stream unless we talk about the deceased. That's just how it goes.
    12:48
    Let's go to the quote tag. So flipping out pinball, Zach Manning. So we're going to take live calls tonight. and I can only imagine what could go wrong with that. Yeah, no, it's... I know there's going to be prank calls with the click and clack questions. Okay. My camera is making a weird noise. When I turn left, it makes a... Oh, is it my turn? No. Yeah, Zahner is... You just went crazy, man. Look at you guys.
    13:17
    You guys got some good scores going? You think I've never played it before? No. Yeah, what's the Magna Save over under tonight, guys? Anybody know? Successful Magna Save? No, I just watched it drain, and then I hit the button because of Game of Thrones. You know, with Game of Thrones, you have to cash out of the coin. Yeah. So that's what I do, and then it's like, Magna Save! Four, yeah. Four, let's do it.
    13:43
    All right, just getting caught back up here. Sorry, I actually had a long game there. You missed it. That is nuts. Thank you. Gifted all these stuff to all these people, J-Rocket and Faldrin and PirateCaps and RedEye and everybody, man. It's awesome. It's a good time. So we're rocking it out here on the Flippin' Out Pinball streaming channel. We have Chuck Ernst from Stern Pinball live in chat, and he'll be taking some live calls here during the after-hours segment, which will be coming up probably closer to 9 o'clock, 9, 15-ish, as we run this stream up until about 10 o'clock tonight. Our apologies for the delay.
    14:19
    why don't you let everybody know all the games that you're working on right now that have not been released to the public? And potential talked about. Right.
    14:29
    Just a little nugget. So there's lots of rumors, and I'm not going to ask you because it's not professional for me to do so.
    14:37
    I think what I can talk about that I know is coming, because Greg's told me is Elvira 3 is coming at some point. Yeah, it's the worst kept secret ever. Yeah. Which is fine. I'm anxiously awaiting that. I really want to see what goes on the LCD with that pin. I imagine you guys have another release coming up within the next couple months. I'm anxious to see that. And I don't know. I mean, I don't know how many pins you have left coming in the year. And I'm not asking you to confirm or deny that. Yeah. Well, the thing I can say is this year we'll have the most titles we've ever released in a year. Okay. In one year. Wow, all right. And it's stressing me right out, man. You're looking at the calendar right now. You guys better get going. What have we seen so far this year?
    15:23
    We've seen Munsters, right? Yeah, Munsters, the very turn of the year, and then Black Knight. And Black Knight. So here we are in June. Right. So we're halfway through the year. You got three more? Three more? Three or four more?
    15:37
    Titles in our, what we consider cornerstones, but it's definitely getting to the point where the pinball fan has got more than enough options. Yeah, because a lot of times you'll release a game and you're like, I'm really not into band games. You're like, don't worry, in four months you've got another game that's... Do you want to jump on or do you want me to take this? I'll jump on. Jason Fowler from the Slap Save Pinball podcast, he's requesting a slowdown in the game releases because his wallet is suffering right now. Aww.
    16:09
    He needs to start a streaming channel and get all the bits, man. Money's no object at this point. I heard you could sell kidneys, not in the United States, but... Right. You could easily go out of the country. He was in Alaska. That's practically... Yeah. It's still the United States, I suppose. The problem is that I think he's plus two games, meaning he's got room for X amount, and he's above that. Right. So Chuck is suggesting, if you can't afford all the releases, to sell an organ, a kidney, or maybe make a donation of some kind. And I hear plasma is probably pretty good. Oh, yeah, the plasma. And anyone in the market for a new liver or kidney, please see Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball and Kidney. It's not a liver or a kidney. Zach's taking kidneys on trade-ins towards new inbox.
    16:55
    Just not livers, because I've seen one happen. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Oh, man, that was terrible. Chuck, now don't be polite and be purposely bad here.
    17:07
    As the guests, we want you to excel, so don't sweat that. That was terrible. I thought you were throwing it with the 4 mil.
    17:18
    Now, Josh Roop from Loser Kid Pinball Podcast says, not to be crude, but you can get $75 for one testicle.
    17:26
    $75? I'm going to go upstairs and get mine out of my wife's purse right now and see if I can get $150,000 tomorrow. That's pretty sweet. And then I'll be afforded the rest of the league.
    17:40
    Hey, Terry Hardy, thanks for the 1,000 bits. buddy. That's super nice of you, man. Pog champion. He's got like an animated face. That's cool. There's a bunch of stuff going on that I don't understand on this Twitch interface, but it's pretty impressive. This is a little upgrade here. Harry Hardy, thank you, buddy.
    17:58
    I have to ask, what's the average age of the person on this? Do you guys have any in it? No? Well, yeah, because this is our pinball stream, I would say average age is probably mid-30s on this right now. Because I'm looking at these animated icons and I'm like, that's magic. That is magic. So I would say mid-30s. 43. I'm also 43 for what it's worth. You're like what, 44? I'm like 100. 144. Question for Chuck. His team have any more in store for Black Knight or are the animations 100% done? That's from Hey, it's Joe Bob. Hey Bob, you know what, it's really strange. A lot of these games, they're, you know, they're done until they're not done. A lot of times, you know, we'll have a situation where they'll go, you know what, we want to do another re-release, do 250 units, and part of that is, you know, we'll add a mode or some stuff like that. So I can never really say they're done done. Yeah. There's always options. I mean, that's what's nice about the whole medium. It's a software platform. But at the moment. But, yeah, at the moment, I know Tim's working on a release. I think I can say that. But, yeah, it's pretty complete now. Like, there's complete, and then there's, like, add things that you wish. The wish list thing will hit later. Animations are a 1.0 or higher right now. Yeah, exactly. We generally try not to update artwork after that because a lot of times it's the licensing. Like, the licensure has to look at it and go, like, whatever. This one's a little more loosey-goosey with the licensure. They were like, cool, add as much, you know, make it as cool as you can because it just adds value. That's awesome to have that flexibility.
    19:47
    That's the upside of something like this. Oh, wow, slap save. Thank you for the 1,000 hits, man. Oh, and Kerry Hardy, too. I was on the game and flopping head for the 200.
    20:01
    The dogs. Thank you, thank you. I'm hanging out on this on the play field for a little bit. Hey, Scott, if you can door dash us some burritos right now, that'd be a big solid.
    20:14
    It's in Elgin, Illinois to St. Charles. Yeah, give out the address on the screen. We could get some pretty fun stuff in UPS, though.
    20:27
    No, no, no, I'm just kidding, Scott. I'm sure you would, though. Thank you, brother. This license was, like, cool. Yes, I do accept getting hurt at the Mexican restaurants.
    20:39
    No, no, the licensure definitely wasn't like a just, you know, give me a check. But they were definitely liking you add value to their license. It was not a, you know, just give me a check situation. They definitely want to see a pinball Black Knight 5, you know. Oh, yeah. Well, it's like Fast and Furious 9. Dude, the movies don't die until the money stops coming in. Right. They'll keep kicking that dead horse.
    21:05
    And in that case, that was a dead horse. Oh, that is a dead horse. And I love the movies, but, you know, you can't stop watching them. So, you know, maybe a Black Knight 4000 one day.
    21:16
    Like Fast and the Furious, if Richie dies, we'll just do a Weekend at Bernie's. Oh, yeah. We'll just trot him out, you know, with the sunglasses. Did you listen to our podcast last week? No. Is that a Weekend at Bernie's reference? Yes. Chuck is a closet, especially when Lincoln Bowl podcast is here. He's pulling up the Weekend at Bernie's stuff. Oh, wow. Thank you, Scott. Another thousand bits from Scott. Scott, what are you doing, man? Scott, you already sponsored this, man. This is crazy.
    21:47
    He's doing the hell hand. Yeah, I'm hell handing it here. Yeah, this game looks awesome with the Penn Stadiums on it. Well, here. Chuck, have you played Black Knight with Penn Stadiums on it before or no? Penn Stadiums. The lights that are on the side that light up the play field. Oh, no. I've never seen it. That's why you're like, that's really weird. This looks awesome, man. Hey.
    22:12
    No, we're kind of like mushrooms. They keep us in the dark. Yeah. Fecal. Yeah. Yeah, there's some. So we sold that? Did we sell this? No. Penn Stadiums? No. Oh, that's got a Penn Stadium. Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah, those are my games.
    22:34
    Dang, that looks awesome. I love how it reflects on the metal ramps. Yeah, very cool. This game has a great light show. It keeps the game a lot brighter and easier to see for us blind people. It does. Well, we play in a little darker room this year. What's my favorite game so far? You get the contemporary games Like more recent games Or previous games Honestly One of my favorite games ever Is Elvis I have an Elvis machine The old Ford What? The 2004 machine? Yeah Just the old my Elvis Did you? There's a lot going on in Elvis No there is And it's got something For everyone in that game A kid could play it But if you really know What you're doing You can get somewhere In the game good game but yeah my recent one that I play a lot is Deadpool, I just like the way it shoots it's a hard to beat but easy to get into the game kind of a game how many games do you have in your collection at home if you don't mind me asking I only have three right now I got Medieval Madness and Elvis, I don't have a Deadpool at home and then the very first pinball machine I ever bought was a Mr. and Mrs. Pac-Man. It's intact. And it works. Well, not anymore. I've got to fix it. That game is a commitment for how little game value you get out of it. But we're big Pac-Man. We've got a Mrs. Pac-Man. So how long have you had that one? That was the first game. Probably five years, something like that.
    24:13
    Before that, I had arcade machines because I was doing a lot of arcade stuff. That makes sense. Medieval Madness, is that a remake? Yeah, I got the remake. I got the bastardized version. It's still pleasing. No, no, it's what it is. But the purists tend to go like, ugh. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
    24:31
    But it's a fun game. No, no, no. Steve's not up right now. Ken's playing. Oh, the Steve-Ken confusion again.
    24:45
    All right, but I'll think it was an honest discussion. I'll give you three choices. Either it was Dennis, Zach, or Scott at Penn Stadium that made this mistake.
    24:57
    I'm on my phone. Who do you think it was, Ken? Wait, what's that? Either it was... All right, so who made that mistake? Zach, Dennis, or Scott at Penn Stadium? Hang on. I will say Dennis. It was Scott. Was it Scott? Scott. No, we had a good trap work beat by Jason. That's Steve raising his beer because he's happy that... No, all good. Oh, it was Chris. Chris, I'm sorry.
    25:27
    It was Chris, I'm sorry. Chris, who? Two of us. Hold on, hold on. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was Chris and Scott at the end of the day. I thought I read something wrong. Red Stripes is the official drink of mine this evening, so...
    25:44
    Bill and Jamaica boy. Hey, it was kind of nice out today, man. I felt like, you know, doing something a little different.
    25:53
    Nice outside? Yeah, I didn't. No. I didn't catch any of that. No. It's not terrible. Definitely not nice out. It wasn't raining. Yeah, we had that.
    26:03
    Actually, the original titles are brutal. Because there's nothing, like at least with this, there's no content to go off of. We're inventing the mythos behind the game. We're inventing the characters. We're inventing, you know, even the reason why you're playing the game. You know, it's different if it's like Ghostbusters. You're catching ghosts. You're like, okay, I have something to start with. This one's like, the Black Knight likes hitting things. It's like, I need something a little more than the Black Knight likes hitting things. He likes hitting people. I know that's a thing. Sorry, Jason. Yeah, so it's way harder, you know. You get a little bit easier, you get a little more leeway with the licensor. They tend to be a little more open-minded. But the end result is everything has to be created from scratch.
    26:55
    Sorry, Jason, about that. Yeah, Jason just got his Black Knight Premium last Wednesday. Oh, nice. There should be a top coming soon. Thank you for the follow. I'm sorry, what did you say? Should be a copper coming soon. Ah. I've seen it. Okay. You guys will like it.
    27:18
    Swamping Head, thank you for the 500 bits. You the man. Is it my turn to start? Uh-oh. I need to... All right. Am I turning the flame? Well, he didn't want you getting too cold. I don't want to... Am I player two? You are... Yeah, you're two. We're keeping the same order from original. Oh. I'm three and then Ken's four. I just have a hard time believing my score is that low. We rigged it Especially with you being a professional Pinball You know what it is, brutal Yeah, so What do you guys got here?
    27:54
    Yeah, this is What a great night, man Southwest, Pennsylvania Pinhead with 500 bits Unbelievable We've got Dimple Brain followed, thank you And then Scott, I was playing when you knocked out that That thousand bits We've got Blake 77 77, Blake G. 77 is following the channel. I appreciate that. Again, we are streaming live on the Flippin' Out Pinball channel. You already know that because you're here. But in the studio today, I'm Ken from Special Inlet Pinball Podcast, Bill from Special Inlet Pinball Podcast, Steve Beating, our partner in crime in our pinball adventures, and then on the machine right now, ladies and gentlemen, very special guest to the screen tonight, Mr. Chuck Ernst. Now, Chuck is the computer graphics art director at Stern Pinball. So everything that you're seeing on these LCDs and a lot of what you've seen on some of the DMDs. Chuck has had his hands all over and he's running these TVs. He's magnet saving and he's blowing it up. So we want to thank everybody for coming in the chat tonight. And thank you so much for the patience to get the stream running and all the generosity. And thanks to Zach and Nicole Menny at Flippin' Out Pinball for allowing us to stream Black Knight Sword of Rage LE. This machine is available for purchase. We will be streaming this for the next couple weeks, and then it's here. It's in St. Charles. It can be picked up or shipped. Very low place, so it's not bad. So if you want to contact Zach, you can see the number there in the upper left. Give him a call for any new pinball machines, including this Black Knight Alley. And Chuck gets a refill, Chuck.
    29:27
    So let me ask you. My wife's watching. Well, you've been drinking water all night. I don't understand. Oh, yeah, that's true. So what were your expectations coming in tonight? You're like, so we ask you to come on a podcast, we do the interview, and then we say, hey, can you stick around and stream the game afterwards? Like, what's going through your head? Because you already stated this is your first podcast. So, yeah. So, I mean, I've been interviewed at work, and then occasionally the podcaster will come into the office and try to corner you and try to get you to confess things. Is that what happens? Yeah, like random podcasters. And then, inevitably, they always find one person that, like, screws up, and then their generic email will go out like, okay, guys, I don't think I have to say this again, but can you please quit telling everybody everything? Thanks. Right. Stop filming me, Eric. I'm not going to name names, but this guy. I got one magnet saved. Pins rule says with all the bits that we have, Bill, we can start a Ford to pay our correspondents coming up in the next couple weeks. So terms are free. That's awesome. The machine will be disinfected. We will have Chuck lick the flipper buttons, and that's just an added bonus. And we will not watch those. Interesting fact. It's cleaner than a dog's mouth. That is your – oh, what is? Mine. Oh, yours? No, actually, Steve got, like, got some funky something going on. I love last week. Jason has last saved once his bits back.
    30:48
    There was a question for Chuck from Josh at Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. He wants to know what your favorite thing is about working at CERN. But before we do that, I'm just going to chat here because it's flowing.
    31:00
    We have, flipping out pinball, Zach says he's in love with the making of videos. This term puts out I am also. And Zach's a little aficionado with his videos, so that's kind of nice. Knock me off the stream, it's dead.
    31:15
    Bobby, Slapside Pinball Podcast. Dennis, hope you get a Dutch pinball correspondent. We need a Dutch pinball correspondent. I think we might have one. Fallgreen with 100 bits. Thank you, Dave. Dutch pinball, is that where they pull the blanket over your head? That's a Dutch show I think we're 900 bits away from Chuck Stone showing nipples or one nipple so that's kind of good Is it my turn, player four? I would have shamed my chest if I would have known I agree, man I like the surprise too I don't need to know what's coming out next ahead of time I'm totally cool with waiting My favorite is there's always the guy that goes, well, if I would have known, I wouldn't have bought the one I bought. Oh, yeah. You're like, just stop. You're going to buy them anyway.
    32:03
    In every game that you think, you know, every game that's coming out, there's always another game coming out. There's always a game coming out.
    32:11
    Thank you, Dave, for the honor, Vince. Ask Chuck if he uses Blender. Actually, we do use Blender. Blender is amazing. And at some point, we're hoping to eventually kind of switch over everything to Blender because it does everything you need for the 3D stuff. So it's, yeah, I can't say enough about that tool. And I've basically been a Max Maya, you know, alias guy my whole life. And every one of them made me want to pull my hair out. And Blender is actually very cool. And it's free.
    32:45
    Thank you, Kerry Hardy, for subscribing to your Prime. Oh, Kerry Hardy. Is that a Prime subscription? Cool. Thank you, Terry. Terry, our boy. That's awesome, guys. Thank you so much. Gracias. I'm a little over.
    33:01
    Lord Helmet just donated 700 bits, too. Lord Helmet, man. Thank you, buddy. You're the man. You've got a little prize in the mail that's coming from the Friday night Flippin' Out stream, actually.
    33:15
    Yeah, dude, overwhelmed with how this has gone. I am absolutely, especially with the poor start that we had today, Bill. Well, we were just testing Ken, and Ken did all right with the test. So, oh, yeah, he does some great, great videos.
    33:36
    Ken passed. What's that mean? Ken passed the test of getting the string going despite the. Right, it's like grab the pebble from my hand, you know, walk on the rice paper. It was either that or we were going to start singing, I wish you could step out from that ledge, my friend.
    33:53
    That was a test to see if anybody was over the age of 45. Hey, a little third-eye blind never hurt anybody. No, that was, yeah. So someone's asking, when will Stern go full 4K? But do you really need 4K on a screen at that size? No. I don't think so either. No. It's also like 4K on your phone. I always crack down on my phone. This phone is 4K. I'm like, I can't see it. I've got to hold it like six miles from my face at this point. There's no point in doing that. Yeah. This phone is awesome. I just realized, are you allowed to drink alcohol on Twitch? Is this supposed to be poured into a Solo cup?
    34:30
    I don't even know what the rules are on that. I think you're just not allowed to shoot people. I'm drinking pretty much frowned upon outside of Twitch. Right, right. It's a general rule, really. I just frowned upon it. It's a little rough when you're shooting people. Yeah. It's like anything YouTube. Like, don't burn things down. And there goes the affiliate status, actually. We're all done.
    34:56
    Ken always asks, and then he takes a drink. Right. Just got us amongst yourselves. Twitch is waiting until we get any type of bits or subs, and then they're like, oh, those are all dollars. Well, we've got to find you. You're drinking on your stream. Twitch is brilliant.
    35:12
    It's absolutely interesting. I'll say that. I always joke around. We're like, 10 years ago, if you would have told me, oh, wait, no, there's going to be this thing where people are going to pay.
    35:24
    Shabbers says, the terms of service says you can shoot someone, but only if they consent to it. All right, there you go. Right, on to it. So go ahead, Chuck. I didn't mean to interrupt you.
    35:32
    What are Chuck's favorite Capcom premiere in Zachariah fans? That would be none. Oh. No, honestly, I can't. I don't even know who makes the games I like to play. Really? Yeah, like, I don't look. You know, actually, you know what's funny is I actually look. The old days where they used to put the credits on the play field, that's the only thing I check for to see if there's people I know. That you know? Yeah. Like, I don't even know who. Because a lot of times the companies were like, oh, then Belly got bought by, you know, WMS. Right, right, right. And then they all changed hands. Like, DDA is now Sega and then whatever. So in my head, I'm not. It's not the company. Well, like, so it's the title. Your daughter, she was involved with some of the animation stuff on Deadpool and stuff. Is she in the credits, like, on the game? Is her name on there? I don't think there's actual credits in the game. There's not credits in the game. No, we always just get our names in the high scores. Yeah, like that. Are her initials in there? I don't know if her initials are in there. I should actually check that out, right? I'm a bad dad. Tanya. Total bad dad. Tanya's got to code her into the pen. Right. Right? But, you know, what's funny is I'm like, do you go see your work in the pinball? and she's like, nah. Like, she's just totally like, no. It's like, okay, cool, I do the thing, and then she moves on to the next thing. Yeah. It's like artist search. I try to get my son into pinball podcasting, same exact kind of thing. He's like, now I'm going to take it back. I'm like, what? I remember when my kids were younger, I was in the video game industry, and they would be like, your dad makes video games that's so cool, and my kids were like, whatever. Really? Yeah, no, it's like, it's way cooler to be a fireman at that point. Like, stuff's on fire, you get to put it out.
    37:12
    When I was a kid, if somebody's dad made video games, that would have been like, oh, yeah. Did you bring stuff home that you were working on to show them or no? Yeah like I had arcade machines in the basement that they worked on and I put my kids pictures in them you know so you can do you know Dave Walgren like my kids are shocked that I watching Twitch right now
    37:32
    It is kind of like a new thing. Dad, I'm hungry! Right. Dad, go outside and eat something. David Maynard says a job is a job, especially for artists, and they have to move quickly to keep living off that work.
    37:47
    For the artists. Yeah, I have to, you know, my dad was a machinist, and, you know, he used to come home from work with just third-degree burns all over his arms. Oh, yeah. Just, like, horrible. And he used to just, like, do not do what I do for a living. Yeah. And he was excited when I sat at a desk. He's like, cool, he's not going to burn his arms off, you know. Right. And then, it's always nice when you don't burn your arms off. Right. Pins rule. Is this Dr. John? I'm still trying to remember everybody's usernames here. And I apologize if I forget. It's not intentional. First of all, I'm horrible with names. And second of all, I'm horrible with names. So, yeah, hey, man, thank you so much. And I wanted to congratulate you and your daughter on her success in Australia competitively. I saw that she was rocking it out over there. So I did not get a chance to reach out to you. Now, Dr. John does our segment. First, he covers spooky pinball for us on Special Only Pinball Podcast. So just saying hi, man, and congratulations, buddy, and happy belated Father's Day. Flippin' Out Pinball says, and that's Zach, do you ever listen to podcasts at all? You know what? Just ours. You're going to start listening to one. How do they get on my computer? I don't know. Okay.
    38:58
    Did you listen to any pinball podcasts? Actually, I'm a YouTube guy, which is, I don't know if that's like a million years ago. Do you know like Zach and Greg from Straight Down the Middle? Yeah. They've got a pinball channel? Okay, so you know those guys. Yeah. Okay, so Zach, he's in chat right now. He's under Flippin' Out Pinball. Like, this is his streaming channel, and that's his Black Knight. So he's telling you right now, he feels that Chuck Ernst is trending up because he has a market trend segment. So you're trending up right now, and he's appreciative that you're here. Not like the old days where I used to get in the paper, and then my mom was embarrassed.
    39:29
    Yeah, right. And Jabra says, you only listen to Kaneda, he says, Jabra. Do you know the word Kaneda? Do you know who that is? Yes, I do. Okay. You don't listen to podcasts, but you know who that is. No, I just know from sensational things that have happened. Yes. And have made it down, have managed to trickle to my inbox. Right, okay. And so basically, if I don't know you, you haven't done something really, really, really dumb. Like, I mean, if you've showed up in my inbox like, oh, my God, you've got to see this, I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's something embarrassing. Oh, man. It's not a good thing. You're up, by the way, Chuck. Oh, geez. He's all into the chat, man. This is what he's doing. All right, here we go. All right.
    40:17
    It's insane. It says, Petey just walked up behind you like he just got done beating someone up. He just bought the black knight. Oh, who was there upstairs? Was there a bottle? Kiki. Ah, my cat Kiki. My daughter's cat Kiki. I wanted a dog. We got a cat. No, the cat's cool. Yeah, she's okay. She's a cool cat. She's okay. Chris, the pin turns in here. What up, Chris? Hey, what's up, Chris? Nice having you here. Where is? Where's your partner in crime? Where's Albert? Where's Orby?
    40:46
    Moving up in ball at Loser Kid. Oh, hey, you got it. I'm waiting for that. I do get to say that I love the podcast and talk straight down the middle. Oh, so anyway, so straight down the middle. They do a lot of reviews on the streets. No, no, yeah. I've got those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. They're legit. Yeah, no, they are legit. They are legit.
    41:04
    Hey, Romania says this game is so freaking hard. This game's awesome, though. It's not that hard. It could be brutal, but, man, it's definitely a one more game. I want to play one more. Zach says thank you, Chuck, for telling them that they're legit. Oh, no, they're legit. He knows they're legit. But it's always nice to hear from somebody in the industry to kind of not even give you props, but at least recognize that you're doing something that's positive for pinball.
    41:32
    It's nice to be recognized. And these guys are all, they're kind of the face of our industry. Yeah. I mean, we're so busy making the games. Right. We're not out there like, look at, you know, not like the video game guys of the old, you know, just out there like talking it up. Almost like rapper, you know. Yeah. These guys are, yeah. Do you go on sites like Pinside and start reading comments? Like when a game comes out, do you jump on there for a couple days and then want to go hang yourself?
    42:08
    Well, there's useful information on TenSide and good feedback. But not within the first week. Well, you know, it's like there's the same 26 guys that get out there and go like, your game gave me cancer! From a reveal. And you're like, you didn't even ship yet! That's better than Crabb's though, right? Right, that's true. Hey! But later on, a lot of the guys will chime in and they'll go like, that guy's insane. I would tweak this or whatever.
    42:40
    Constructive criticism is always welcome. We absorb that data. Negative stuff never helps. No. It's just good.
    42:50
    Like you said, there's a lot of it in that first week. It's always the first week. You have to reveal. Everyone has something in their mind of what this game should be. My favorite is always like, you know what game they should have done? I'm like, I don't know. Tell me, guy that works at Best Buy. Yeah. You know. Oh, jeez. I said it. A large portion of our listener base works at Best Buy. Oh, son of a. Dang it. We're sponsored by Best Buy, Chuck. I don't know if you know that or not. By Geek Squad.
    43:24
    My point is. We could have used Geek Squad. What I meant to say was, Circuit City. Thank you, L.R. Oh, Circuit City.
    43:36
    Sorry, I'm trying to go back. I'm sorry, I'm at Circuit City. Old school name job. It's just one of those things where, like, I can't imagine. It's the same thing with any industry where you're trying to, like, blaze new ground. Yeah. Like, I just crack up at the people that are like, Tesla's going down, man. I'm like, it's been 10 years. Like, at what point are they going down? You know, they don't know what they're doing. I'm like, okay. They're doing something right. You're going to design a car? Like, I can't even possibly tell you what it takes to design a car. No. But I know I'm not the one that criticized Elon Musk for designing a car wrong. Like, you know, it's just like, hey, man. Everybody has an opinion. No, you don't hear. And honestly, one of the things we try and focus on is, you know what, there's a right way and a wrong way to handle things. And it's because you might not have a theme that you might be really enthralled with. You know, you don't have to buy it, but don't crap all over it because that's somebody else's dream theme. You know, whatever.
    44:46
    And it's, you guys are even bringing out older stuff. Microcenter. Oh, Micro. Oh, yeah. How many people have gotten Spitfire Micro Center?
    45:02
    Was it where you get a refund or what was the rebate? Rebate. How about the Micro Center rebates? I never got into that. Yeah. It's like radio. That's that's been pretty recent. Actually, five, six years ago, maybe. Radio Sack is why I'm here today. Believe it or not. Let's hear this story. Right, when I was a kid, okay, so this is way geeky, but now it's hip now, so I can say it. The kids will like it. I used to play D&D at a hobby store. Was that Dungeons & Dragons? Dungeons & Dragons. At a hobby store. It was like they had the back room and we had a game. Yeah. And there was a Radio Shack next door, and at some point I started just going into the Radio Shack and teaching myself the code on their TRSAs. And the owner of the Radio Shack loved it because there was this 12-year-old kid on the computer making animations and doing stuff. And parents would come in and go, this computer is so easy to use. A kid could use it. And he was selling computers because I was in there. And I would be in there for four hours. It would be 6 o'clock until 10 o'clock until the guy would get out and kick me out. And then that's where I first learned the program and assembly language. And I even taught myself assembly language at the Rioshack. Wow. That's impressive, man. She jumped on the tandies back in the day. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm nostalgic for the Radio Shack, and I'm sad it turned into like a phone accessory. Sharper image. Sharper, yeah. It is. Oh, yeah. Yeah, kind of Diet Coke or radio. Diet Coke. So child labor. You weren't even getting paid. You were just selling computers to old ladies. The guy that ran it, and I didn't really appreciate, because he was an actual real, like back in the day, they knew electronics. Yeah. You come in, I'm like, hey, I need a diode that does whatever. They're like, oh, hold on. And then they bring you out the thing you needed. And now it's like, the joke is like, BrioShack, you got questions? We have blank stares. We have Google. There are no Best Buy, Geek Squad.
    47:07
    Right. Shout out to Best Buy for the Geek Squad. Shout out to Best Buy. Like I said, we could have used them earlier tonight. You guys want to do another game of Sword of Rage? And then maybe we jump into a little after hours phone-in segment? We're going to bring Zach Manyon on the phone first, and then we're going to go live. We're going to run the promo live. Yeah, you know what? Let's take care of some business here real quick, guys. I don't know if we should take phone calls. The Best Buy people are going to call up. Yeah. I'm sorry about that.
    47:41
    Yeah, good times. Good times. Refollow. Thanks. Chris the Pinter. Good times. What, no Blockbuster comments? I should have used Blockbuster. I saw a blockbuster. It was there? Oh, dang it.
    47:52
    Yeah, next time. I'll write that down. What a busy night in chat. I mean, it's been hard to keep up. It is hard to keep up. So if we miss the comment and you think it's important enough. Just keep spamming it until we get angry. Exactly.
    48:07
    You know, find a way to make your font bigger or something, and then we'll go ahead and we'll do that. Use the animated icon. Yeah, I don't even know how you get animated icons. This whole thing is new to me, but it's impressive.
    48:22
    PromiseLand84, hey guys, what's going on, PromiseLand84? What up? Flippin' Up Pinball says, hey, at PromiseLand84, thanks for coming by. I share the same sentiments.
    48:32
    Crono861, where's my shirt? There we go. Hey, you know what? Message me if you're missing a shirt, please. And that's special when lit's pinballpodcast.gmail.com. You send shirts out? Uncle Rich has followed. Yeah, we've got some shirts. Is he rubbing his nipples? He is rubbing his nipples. I'm going to find a way to do that. What's going on over here? Steve. Steve eats. Yeah, Steve's good. A couple beers in here now.
    48:56
    The stream is making my font bigger. Hey. Oh, hello. Custom emotes. Zach, have my babies. You too, Steve. Promised in 84. There you go, buddy. See, promised in 84. That's the year I was born. That is my promise. Promised in 84. I could have my daughter make you a custom emoji thing or whatever they have in here. I would love that. That would be awesome. I'll talk to her. I don't even know how to implement it into the channel. Because I know some of your other streamers, they've got these custom things. Yeah, yeah. Or like the little animation. Mine always looks like MySpace. If I was to do it. What would be the custom animation? Probably Chuck's Nipples.
    49:37
    Actually, Chuck'sNipples.com. I've already got it. And .net because it's a big thing. Oh, it's the nipples. So, what's Chuck's favorite dream theme?
    49:46
    Actually, the dream game I would work on would probably be the original Blade Runner. Oh, okay. And there's a calling for that pin, I think. Well, yeah, they keep bringing it up, but it's one of those things where they were like, you know, does anybody care about that anymore? And I'm like, I bought all the movies. Does anybody care about any of these things that are coming out anymore? I mean, think about it. I mean, when was the last time you thought about monsters? But they came out, and it's a fun pin. It's a great theme for a pinball machine. But who thinks about monsters until it's presented to you? So Blade Runner, I think, would slip in there no problem. Just my opinion. Like tears in the rain. Just slip of the moon. Like a moth to the flame burned by the fire. He's only here for the nipples. Promise, Lance, only here for the nipples. Chuck, would you do Beetlejuice? Carrie wants to know. Carrie Hardy. You know what? I love Beetlejuice. I also love Nightmare Before Christmas. Yeah. There's a homebrew pin. Yeah. So any of those Tim Burton kind of things are just lending themselves to pinball easily. Yeah, right. I don't know what the commercial viability is. You know, like, Nightmare Before Christmas. I don't know who. I know in Japan it's huge. Okay. I don't know. You know, I love it. It's one of those things where you get into those things because you're into it. Yeah, like Weekend at Bernie's. You're like, come on, everybody's into it. What do you do at Weekend at Bernie's, Finn? This is a subject that's here and there. Bill Paxton pinball. Right. But, yeah, no, it's kind of dangerous because, like, what they'll do is they'll come around and somebody will go, like, what do you guys think of this band? And I'm like, oh, my God, no. And they're like, what are you kidding? I've got the album. I've got the shirt. I've seen 16,000, you know, whatever, concerts. And I'm like, dude, it just means you have bad taste. You know, it's just like it's tough. Here's a question for you. You go to a concert. Do you wear the band's T-shirt to their concert? No, right. Or do you not? Nope. It's like Inception, right? You're at the concert wearing the shirt, wearing the concert with the shirt. What was the last concert you went to? You don't want to know. It's not the Bee Bees or anything, right? No, it's close.
    51:46
    No, no, actually, I saw you, too. Last time I went to Cello. Oh, you did? Okay, so would you wear a U2 shirt to the U2 concert? Really? No. No?
    51:58
    It's kind of like you go there to get the shirt. It's not magna. You don't go there to wear the shirt. Actually, I don't even think you get the shirt. Do you get the shirt? Well, you get the shirt, but you can't wear it anywhere because then you feel like you're a poser wearing the shirt. Like, I don't understand it. I went to Pearl Jam at Wrigley and I wore a Pearl Jam shirt. Bill's like, I never wore the Bengals shirt again. No. Ever. He let go of his eternal flame. Well, I went to go see New Kids on the Block over the weekend. I wore their shirt, you know. It was like a U2, like, 1987. And you were like, I was there for this show. Let's get caught up in chat here. Yep, yep, yep.
    52:33
    Chris the Pern, pin turn. Straight to jail if you don't get the jackpot. Slippers die. I might as well not even sit down anymore.
    52:41
    It's getting a little loud in here. Like, talking over each other here. I need a little direction here. I can't work like this, guys. Where's your producer? Where is the producer? Bob O'Booey, Bob O'Booey. I think I am the producer.
    52:55
    PromiseLine84 says, I wear my Abba shirt every day. Penn Stadium. Use 100 bits. Penn Stadium's like the Rockefellers tonight, man. He's putting out the money. I love it. Maybe he needs a new pair of shoes. Now, maybe he's giving me a hint to say that this pin is illuminated on screen by Penn Stadium. So if you've not checked into Penn Stadium lately, there's an array of products that will blow your mind. And the latest release is the Hover, which allows you to install the Penn Stadiums that hover on the actual play field. So when you lift the play field, you no longer have to worry about the bagged amounts, and the Penn Stadium is coming off from the sides because they're affixed to the play field and they're adjustable. So go to PennStadium.com. I love that. Check out the hover. It's actually pretty impressive.
    53:42
    Cannabilla, are we going to see you at Southern Fried? No, we're not. I don't think so, unfortunately. I would love to do that at some point.
    53:49
    Would you like to go to Southern Fried Gaming Expo? Where is that? Is that Kentucky? Sounds like Kentucky. It's Sandwich, Illinois. It's like Alaska. Team Sandwich, join next to Rip Fest. Silence, stars, Gobi is followed. Thank you.
    54:05
    Thank you. I want chicken. Little southern fat chicken. And hot Atlanta. Oh, hot Atlanta. Does that mean Ludacris is going to be there too? Oh, Flop and Head donated 300 bits. Thank you. Oh, thank you.
    54:21
    Here's the real issue with the... I'm still out of touch. I'm making it out of... I'm with the Alisher for sure. with going to Southern Friday, is honestly traveling right now for me is really limited. My wife is... Because of the federal travel ban on you? Right, he's been in Canada. Yeah, right, right. Bill's been in the paper too recently. All because of the incident. They were just looking, you know? I mean, it's not a watch. They're just, you know, like a warning. Ken, what the man is this?
    54:52
    No, no, honestly, my wife is 24 weeks pregnant on Wednesday, So I don't want to be... Do you know the weeks? Yeah, I get an update every Wednesday. You get an update every Wednesday. Every Wednesday. 25. Or I get 26.
    55:08
    Yeah, definitely. I cannot make it east of St. Louis. Really idle at Naperville Rib Fest. It's not even in Naperville anymore. No, you know what? If you ask the wife, no, I am not pregnant. But that said... So you just missed out on this whole Father's Day thing. No, no, I already have one. Oh, okay. There you go. But she had a fever. Are you keeping that one? Bummer.
    55:32
    We just made it out of the return clause on her. No, but a quick funny sidebar, non-pinball story. The wife liked to tell me how to re-rank the trash and the grass clippings on the driveway. Because I was killing grass putting the grass clippings on the side. You weren't doing it correct. Long and short, she blasted a bag of grass clippings and blamed me after she told me to put them there. So, good times. Limp Bizkit, that'd make a good pin.
    56:05
    Did it all for the nookie. Okay, okay, okay. I've got to ask everybody listening. Give me a list of the worst fans you could make a pin out of. Go. The worst thing. No, no, the Beastie Boys would be badass. Nickelback wins. I would consider owning a Nickelback. So would I. What? I don't mind Nickelback at all. Thanks for coming by, Chuck. I appreciate your time and effort. I'm out of here.
    56:38
    Millie. Creed. Creed is pretty bad. Hey, I like Right to Say Fred. Michael McDonald. I actually said it. Is she still alive? Two steps before this one. I'm sure she's already up somewhere. What about a little Rick Astley? Rick Astley. Chumbawamba. I'm never going to give you a... You call it the Chumbawamba? I am so deaf, actually, Jobber. Oh, good.
    57:01
    Kids Bob. Kids Bob's good. Honestly, when I'm so old, though, that might not be too terrible. Okay, you know what the band pin I want to do?
    57:14
    We've known each other for two hours, guest. Yeah, we're good. All right, so let me think about it for a second. Stone Temple Pilots. No. Oh, shit, that's mine. Is it? Yeah, I love STP. I was thinking Spinal Tap.
    57:28
    Spinal Tap? Yeah. Because you can do the funny with the band. Yeah. Yeah, I can see it. That would be cool. I like it. Oh, is it me again? Oh, man. Now, I did not put a pin gulp on this pin because I didn't want any splassage of anything. What you doing there, Chuck? Where are the lights coming from, man? Oh, Chuck's trying to figure out the pin stadiums. Penn Stadium. Whoa, dude. That's cool. I love how that lights up. You like that? Hey. That's badass. Penn Stadium. It burns to prove. Nicely done, Scott. You're getting some face ditching.
    58:02
    There we go. They're nicely hidden in there. That was good. Bastard. That should be a shirt. Bastard. Oh, my gosh.
    58:14
    No, I'm not going to. Should I turn them off on him while he's playing? I can't see. Put him into a seizure? They didn't like my idea Don't F with him Do it to me Well dude You're going to be expecting it So how fun is that Alright so here's our Penn Stadium demo this evening No I'm not going to do it to him That would be pretty funny though Dude do it while I'm playing So you can show the benefits Works out perfect Now. Kill it. This is the saddest thing ever. All right, so this is Penn Stadium's off. Thanks to cancer and... Oh, never mind. When the GI goes off, that's Penn Stadium's off.
    59:04
    I thought you killed him. I was going to tilt him on purpose. I didn't kill him. There you go, Chuck.
    59:12
    It's all right, I'll take it. So, Chuck, in all honesty, And I want to thank Dave Fahlgren for the 100 bits, buddy. I'll tell you what, every little bit helps because we're going to have to pay for the SBC violations. All the SBC violations. Support the drinking habits here. So get up in front of that. And so are you having fun tonight? Is this something that, like, you would do again? You're going to have to come here because you've got to talk right in front of that bad boy. Well, I would talk towards me, but I'll get closer. Yeah, you've got to get up on it. There you go. Are you having fun? Are you having a good time? No, it's a good time. So will you come back and stream with us again? Sure. All right, this is awesome. So every time we get a stern machine in here, you've got to stream, and then you've got to start showing up to our pinball nights. I just don't understand. People can't see this, but I don't understand what's with all the guns. Oh.
    60:00
    There's just rows of guns. Right. I mean, the archery range is amazing. My wife's clicking the stream off.
    60:08
    Yeah, the G word is forbidden. No, the G word's not forbidden. Now we've got FBI watching. Subscribe, FBI. We said bomb. We said guns. Now we are going to be on a watch list. Now we are on a watch list. There are no problem with that. So when I first got my job at Midway Games way back in 98, there was an interview. The old Midway. And it was an open interview, so anybody could come and interview you, which is weird. Like, just anybody could show up. It was like 10 a.m., interview going on. come or don't come or ask questions, don't. Yeah, it was weird. So I was sitting in the interview, and at the end of the interview, they go, so, uh, you like guns? And I'm like, really? Yeah, it was like they were messing with you. It was like an inside thing they would do. And I go, yeah, I like guns, but I'm not allowed to have one anymore. And they're like, so it was like it was a weird thing where they're like, they were trying to throw me off, and I'm like, oh, yeah, ever since, yeah, can't have that. versus that one incident. Right, right. Do you like school? Yeah, until I wasn't allowed to anymore. That one incident. The St. Charles Militia, says Fogren. Oh, my gosh.
    61:23
    St. Charles Militia, make sure that your recyclables are in the right containers. Whoa, hey, don't mess with the recyclables. That grass clippings. A brand new truck that runs over the grass clippings. And then you ask her about it. And then you see the tread mark on the grass bag. And you're like, what? You know, it wasn't that she was driving backwards and ran over him. Oh, did you just go back to the grass clippings? Yeah. Oh, all right. She was going forward and ran over him. I'm like, not even reversing. No, dude, she straight blasted it and ran it right over. And I'm like, how did you get a tire tread on the flipping bag? Did she flip you off while she was doing it? No, she didn't even want to tell me about it. That'd be awesome. She flipped you off and threw an empty at you. Well, she throws stuff all the time. It just wasn't over. Well, you have cameras. Then you went back and watched the footage. No, because it happened. Dude, she went to go pick up dinner, right? Wait, Father's Day. What did she get? What do you think she got? She got some tacos and burritos.
    62:16
    Yeah. Clearly your fault. Yeah. It was actually my fault. Good job, Jamie. What was it? Who had the... How about Carrie? The call-in show at night with... I'll text it to you probably tomorrow because my phone's almost dead. In a while, really? No, no, no. It was... Oh, Jesus.
    62:36
    Dr. Ruth? No, no. They kind of had the Colin show for everyone with domestic issues. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry, Chuck. I never had to watch that. I'm not sure if I'm familiar with that one either.
    62:52
    Dr. Drew. All right. I thought this was going to be a Dr. Drew thing. Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla on Love Line. Remember that? Oh, wow. That's old. Was that MTV? It's like so. Yeah.
    63:08
    We can't give any advice, I don't think. Yes, she actually did say that I did this to her because she had to go get my dinner.
    63:15
    Where was she going for your dinner? Tacos, man. Burritos. Burritos? Where? Shout out to El Caricio. Okay, now it's going to be packed. Oh, yeah. Now I can't go there anymore. Hey, all good things. Oh, no, dude. Craig Yanker's pinball. You know what? We didn't actually talk about Wall of Shame today, but there was a twister. Yeah, well, when you ask a ridiculous amount for a pinball machine, like our first vote for the Wall of Shame, our inductee was a Gilligan's Island that had been slightly restored. That somebody asked $10,800, the bargain price.
    63:55
    All right. Yeah, so that was kind of a wall. That was a kilo. Oh, and it's embedded right underneath the shaker motor.
    64:05
    This game didn't come with a shaker. It still doesn't. Must haul to New York and back. Plus transport to Miami. From Miami. Yeah, to Chicago. Rick and Morty would be awesome. I'm a huge Rick and Morty fan.
    64:20
    Honestly, there was another one last week, but I forgot. And then this one, which we didn't talk about on the podcast, there was a Twister pinball machine that they were asking the bargain price of $7,000 on eBay.
    64:35
    Yeah, but eBay, there's a lot of those. There was a two-year-old out-of-box Twister two weeks ago on Pinside for $3,500. Oh, wow. Yeah. I almost thought about buying it. I would have bought it.
    64:49
    I was waiting for you guys to go to it. It was ridiculous. I'm like, am I stupid? I would have bought that. I was stupid about it. Yeah, that one, that's not a bad deal at all. So, yeah. Stupid kids. No, Gilligan didn't sell yet. Wrecking my freaking thing. I just sold a kidney, so I'm ready for my next. We'll do.
    65:08
    Zach said we need to add the, it comes with a kilo of cocaine in it, to the quote bag. I didn't say cocaine.
    65:18
    I was paraphrasing. It's a kilo. It's a unit of measurement. We've said guns, bombs, and cocaine all in the same five minutes. You know what?
    65:28
    All right, yeah, now we're done. Sorry, Ted. It's over. See, I told you, Ken. This ain't gonna happen. Yeah, Gilgamesh for $2,400, I think. This is back to the Olsen twins comment. Oh, please don't comment on Olsen twins.
    65:45
    Did I miss that one? Oh, you know, I think I saw the 18Ks. What? 18Ks? What? I'm like a bloody twister, in all honesty. I saw that. Did it come with a mail-order bride?
    65:55
    Oh, yeah, the prototype. Yeah, forgot about that one. What? Bet that never sold. No, you know what I was thinking of the cocaine comics? I was watching... Oh, my gosh. Phil, we need some, like, keywords here. I was watching Starsky and Hutch and the movie where they're at the disco and Ben Stiller goes nuts. He's chilling. Nipples are moving cocaine. It's time for him to go.
    66:22
    Wait, male nipples? You've got to clarify the shizzle. I like your attire. Nice, a nice out. For the record, Chuck, you're our favorite streaming guest so far.
    66:39
    It's still got dark. Don't game the drugs. A little dark. There's no off limits. Thanks, Lord Helmet. Thank you for that. You've been one of the best podcasters. Let's come up with a cure for the rest. Yeah, take care, Lord Helmet. It's over. I think the Flintstones is a cool game.
    66:55
    Hey, Zombie Yeti, are you watching? He was predicting horrible things for me, I think. He was giving me the best wishes, but I think secretly he was like, this is a bad idea. He was predicting horrible things that was on our end, not yours. Yeah, yeah, he thought you would be just fine. I have another long ball over here. Is it me? Yeah. Player one, all right. I'm the guy with a million points. All right, so I have to finish my thing. So I was watching Starsky and Hutch, the disco scene, where Ben Stiller's coked out of his mind, and then the next morning he's like, you know, he feels like crap, and what's his name? As you would be.
    67:38
    His partner in crime was like, oh, no, this is 100% cocaine. And he's like, really? I thought so. Stacy thought so. And the other chick thought so. and he's just looking at them like, you know, stupid like they just did, you know. And I was literally just watching that last week.
    67:56
    Yes, yes. There was an R-rated translate? Yeah, that was a little risque on that translate. Yeah, I think it's still a little frontal. Yeah, it was nipples, I believe.
    68:09
    We were cracking up. We were at, we're going to come down here and there's nipple talk. Nipple talk? We're giving out nipple talk every single time. We're giving what the audience wants. Oh, Dennis wants to know if he heard the end of the grass clipping. So anyways. I'll tell you tomorrow, Dennis, with the death story. It's one of those, like, long story short, the dog died. You're like, what? It wouldn't be a stream without reference to death.
    68:32
    And appreciation of the deceased. Nipples. This is how it goes. Nipples. Nipples is the theme tonight. Yeah, I'm sorry. So how many bits away are we from Chuck's nipples? Did we get a tally on there? It's the Tourette's. I think we're at 600 more bits to go. But yeah, we can get some animated nipples Male nipples You don't want to get too risky It might be good for us What's the matter, man? What did he do? I took a sip off your beer You know what's great, though? The face that you just made Was the face I never saw you make in my entire life It was the look of disappointment and disgust I thought he was having a stroke. He drinks through his armpits.
    69:21
    He could not be more disappointed. And right now he's thinking about scoping breast teeth. No, the best look I have on my face is when someone walks up and you know what? I have nothing but disdain for that person. And you just see my face and you just laugh. Bill, I've never seen that face. The face of you sweating. You know what? I made that face when I would, back in the day, I'd be out at a bar, and I'd grab, like, my own beer, and I'd drink it, and I'd have my own, at the time I smoked, my own cigarette butt in there. Oh, yeah. And I'd be drinking my own cigarette butt, and that's so disappointing. That was the exact face that you just made. Cigarette butt face. I'm taking a swig of somebody else's chew. Oh, jeez. Oh, you're up, by the way, Chuck. I almost barfed. You just made me throw up a little bit in my mouth. The stick of butt, Chuck.
    70:05
    Four in the morning. No, there is no butt, Chuck. Jason's just saying, my roommate drank my chew in college. Unsubscribe. What do you mean? Was your roommate a peep? It's so bad. He peeped, he says. Thank you, Dave, for the 100 bits. Promise Lane 84 is unsubscribe with the talks of drinking cigarette butts, guns, and Coke Kilo. You know what? That's my goal is to bring everything down to the lowest common denominator. The third cent chuck in to take down the fucking open market. Absolutely. He's like, listen, I need you to go in there. I need you to establish some trust. They needed to be charming and they were in the beginning. They needed to threaten to show your nipples.
    70:42
    And then I did. Josh, Josh, Josh. Because we've all seen them. There will be an email tomorrow. Okay, everybody who tuned in last night. It's a third email. Everything Chuck discussed. You should probably not mention nipples or guns or explosives. Cocaine or narcotics. Or hanging yourself. When George Gomez requests your company tomorrow morning, though, Make sure you tell him that Ken and Bill said hello. Just do that for us. Do me a favor and just say you were on Deadflip.
    71:15
    Just make it easier for everybody involved. He can't get in trouble over there. Oh, good times. It's like the super-generic list of things you can't talk about just keeps growing. Right, right. Well, you're adding on to that list a little bit, Chuck. We've got to add auto-asphyxiation. We got to add. What else do we got to add?
    71:38
    Oh, my goodness. I'm going to have to go to a commercial here in a second. It's getting a little crazy. Terry Hardy, thanks for the 100 bits, buddy. 100 bits? I appreciate it, man. We are going to take Chuck on a nice vacation after this.
    71:52
    Human landscapes. By vacation, you mean Elgin for a burrito, right? I'm undercover for American Pinball.
    72:01
    Is that what it is? You're a tough one. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. T-Lo Prices wants to know, what can you tell us about Elvira or any Stern updates? Oh, you guys, I see what's happening here with the train. That's right. They're on, they're part of this. Yeah. I can't tell you anything. You cannot confirm or deny any of those things.
    72:23
    Dave says he's packing for his next big trip. Hey, Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead. 100 bits, 100 bits, 100 bits. That's 300 bits coming in. Thank you so much, buddy. That's awesome, man. How southwest? This is good times. I don't know. Where are you from? Southwest is the location.
    72:42
    Does Chuck work with the animations team, or is it just him? So he runs the animation team. I run the animation team. We have five full-time employees and countless external people that I've hooked up and have known through the industry for years. Yeah. That I've worked on many, many, many AAA titles. It sounded like Bleach Academy. Many, many, many, many, many titles. Mahoney. But, yeah, it's kind of funny because when people find out you work for Pinball, they're like, I love Pinball. Yeah. I would love to help out on Pinball. Yeah. One of the guys actually that, believe it or not, helped out on Aerosmith, his name is Vince Prost, P-R-O-C-E. You can Google him. He was one of the artists on Water, the Grinding Nemo movie that just came out. Finding Nemo? No, the whatever. Finding Dory? Taste of Water? No.
    73:41
    The lady that falls in love with the water mermaid. Anyways, he's worked on a bunch of Hollywood movies. The lady that fell in love with Aquaman? Momoa. Something of Water. Yeah. Aquaman. Hold on. These guys know. Shape of Water.
    74:00
    Oh, the Shape of Water. So if you Google the guy, he actually helped out. He did the cell animation stuff for Aerosmith. Okay. He worked on the movie Shape of Water. He's worked on numerous movies with del Toro. He's like a big deal. He was one of the art directors on It and It 2. Okay. Oh, yeah. And he did the cell animation stuff for Aerosmith. Wow. Because he's a traditional cell animator. Very cool. It's very hard. Another 100 bits. Sorry, Chuck, didn't mean that. Whatever bits come in, it's fine. I'm not talking to you anymore. No. Sorry.
    74:35
    There was a question, and it went up through chat, but the question was, can you tell us anything about Cassandra Peterson? Do you have any interaction with her at any point? I don't.
    74:45
    I look forward to it because the guys have nothing but awesome things to say about her She like apparently just the most down Yeah I heard the same it is it that use with the guys I saw an interview with her and the guy that does Peter Herman Paul Rumans
    75:06
    Oh, nice! Oh, that is some art. Good job. Diddly's family doodly. Is that Roger Sharp? What is that? That's Peterson. Peterson? No. Peterson? Was that from that? Yeah, that's... Dr. Wiley? No. That's not Cassandra Peterson. That's from Simpsons. That's not Simpsons. Okay. That's pretty cool, man. Anyway, so Cassandra... Family doodly. So she embraces... She's like, just do some really cool stuff. And she's great. I hear she's a big Best Buy shopper. Oh, God, no. Thanks. Sorry to say. She's the CEO. Oh, good times. Good times. Elvira has, yeah. Elvira shows her assets, as she should. I mean, she's an empowered woman, and we'll leave it at that. Am I player four? Nice ball, Bill.
    76:03
    Wow. How many times have I said that to you? Bill, nice. Nice balls, Bill. No, I said ball. Oh, ball. He already sold one earlier. For $25K or whatever. $75K. $75? Oh, man, that's the burrito money right there. Oh.
    76:22
    All right, got to get caught up here. Gary, thank you for the 100, bitch. Oh, no, we lost six viewers. Thanks, Bill. Yeah, Bill comes in. I'll go without him. They were sticking around for his ball there. His grass clipping story just faded off into nothing, and they just.
    76:41
    Wow, my fighting is pathetic. Hey. Yeah, if you want the grass clipping story, that'll be a special and lit bonus coverage kind of deal there. Yeah.
    76:55
    I think that's it, guys. Right. Good job, Mark. We've got a little after hours now. Yeah, for Black Knight's Road to Rage.
    77:03
    What the curtain's real. Steve, y'all sent me a lot when I played. That's all I could think of when I played the game. I'm like, you know, when we were working on the game, I heard Steve yelling. And now I'm playing the game, I'm hearing Steve yelling. I'm getting a little PTSD, I think. It's a little, I can't hear. You're hearing from out in the play.
    77:25
    We have to dial back the Steve yelling, I think. What? That's great. You heard something new tonight, though. Which thing? One of the first call-outs. Oh, yeah. I hadn't heard that yet. Yeah, there's a couple of them. Yeah. They record a ton. And they put in as much as they can, and they try to balance it. So there might be a couple more maybe coming in here. Sometimes, I mean, well, actually a lot of times, the audio is the largest part of the whole SD card. It takes up 80%, 70% of the whole thing. All the artwork we generate in the videos and stuff, nothing compared to the audio. Because they'll do 500 takes.
    78:05
    Tiny. Yeah, and it's all stored really high quality. so that the WAV files are just crazy high, high def. Ooh, straight-up WAV files, huh? Oh, I don't know if they're WAVs. I don't know.
    78:17
    What do the kids say today? MP3s with their P24s and their uncompressed? Well, I mean, the WAV files are basically uncompressed. It's 502s. Yeah, WAV's uncompressed.
    78:25
    No, I don't know if it's got to be compressed because there's no way. All right, thanks, Jason. Ignore what I said.
    78:33
    Is Jason out like Trout or what? All right, Steve, I'm going to take my spot. Is that cool? Yeah, Steve, I'm setting you up. A little shuffle around here. Damn it. I'm going to condense the mic here just so that you're just a little bit this way. I'm going to give you the headphones. Steve, you're going to be here. The headphones? Yeah. Oh, no, they're over there. All by myself.
    78:57
    There's a pinball machine. I'm telling you. Do we need the quarter inch jack or are you doing eighth inch? It is that. That's it. Okay. Whatever she says. It sounds technical. You guys slow down. You're confusing me with your technical. The kiki gauntlet. Oh, good enough.
    79:18
    Ow. You're so nice. All right. So I'm the only one that just wears the headphones the whole time? Is this? No, no. We're not the third after hour. Nerd. Well, we're doing a new call-in segment. Segment of this. You know, I just feel this is going really wrong real quick. Yeah, this is where it gets bad for you, Chuck. This is where bits really come in handy for Neville. No, this is where anybody that knows you that wants to give you a hard time gets not to call you. I'm picturing it. It's like, so I want to talk to Steve Bannon. Can I talk to Steve Bannon? Shut up. Oh, goodness. All right. So, all right. So, SW, all right. So, read the top bit giver just now.
    80:03
    What is it? Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead. Okay, Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead, thank you very much for the bits. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. PinQuest Pinball, thank you very much for the bits, 500 bits an hour ago, or a minute ago. Actually, we've got some exciting news to introduce with PinQuest that's going to be coming up in the next couple weeks. For those of you that aren't aware, do your research on PinQuest, because you're going to see some implementation of PinQuest into the streams.
    80:31
    So, yeah. Have you ever seen our sponsor, Fanta? right there it's like the starbucks cup and game of thrones we paid a lot they got paid a lot for this haters gonna hate on the fanta that's all i can say last week it was last week it was a starbucks in all honesty yeah i drink the uh vanillas man i'm kind of a kind of a princess that way what i mean my caffeine fix all right well i don't have my wedding but i don't have my Gilligan's Island with a kilo inside of it. You know, we've got to get our fix somehow, man.
    81:10
    It's a good thing you don't go to pinball shows, because we'd be in some trouble. I'd go to the ones that are, like, next to my house.
    81:18
    So, like, the neighbor. Yeah. So, the debacle that is about to take place, oh my gosh, after we just kind of figured out the screen, we're going to try to overcomplicate everything. But before we do that, I want to go ahead and give a little thanks to Flippin' Out Pinball.
    82:02
    you All right. We should be live. Can everybody hear us now in a little bit of chat action here?
    83:47
    This is the whitest group of pasty people ever. You want to try to move over, Steve? You're like half cut off there. You're like half cut. You want to go the other way, buddy. The other right. All right, so before we make any calls here, hold on a second, because now what I have to do is, again, overcomplicate everything. I need to log into Google.
    84:14
    And what we're going to do here, I think, assuming this all works correctly. You sure like to tempt fate. I know, man. This is amazing. Absolutely moon tan, Kurt. Sausage. is we, hey, you know what? After the bits that we had tonight, maybe we can do Skype calls. I don't know. But for right now, it's going to be Google Action.
    84:39
    And, what we're going to do is, I'm going to ask Zach, Manny from Flippin' on Pinball, Zach, if you're still watching, I apologize.
    84:51
    Can you call into the show real quick? Let's see if we can get your audio on the air. This was tested earlier and it worked.
    84:57
    That phone number, that is the 630-283-2888. That is the special when lit hotline for After Hours. Oh. Oh, holy crap. And let's see what we can do here. Oh, we got a call. Let's see. I hope it's a spam call. Thank you for calling. Flippin' Out Pinball. Streaming hotline. This is Ken. How can I help you? This is Radio Shack. It's Ted. Hey.
    85:23
    What's going on, man? How are you? Oh, snap. Now, is this audio coming through on everybody else's end? That's the other thing that I'm not quite certain of. It should be going through the mixer, but I'm noticing chat's just frozen. Can everyone hear Ted from Radio Shack?
    85:45
    No. No, it's not Dr. Phil. Yeah, okay. No, it's not Dr. Phil. All right, Ted, you can continue to berate us.
    85:53
    He's still there? That's a lie. Nobody at Rare Shack was named Ted. Yeah, we can get a little more volume. Why don't you tell us where you're calling from?
    86:03
    I'm calling from Southern Texas. Sounds about right. Not Southern Indiana? Longhorns, baby. Hey.
    86:12
    Hookah horns. Good times. So do you have a question for Chuck Ernst from Sterking Ball? Up the irons, up the irons. Yeah, I got a question for Chuck. Oh, no. All right, go ahead.
    86:23
    Sorry, I can't do that anymore. You're putting out. You're having me fooled, man. I didn't know what was going on. How are you, buddy? What up, Zach? I can't do it. This is Zach. Hey, Chuck. Thanks for coming by and hanging out with the fellows over there. We love your work over at Serum Pinball. Thanks. Keep up the excellent work, man. Absolutely. So I want to thank you, buddy, for having the patience. I can only imagine what you were going through with the first 25, 30 minutes of the stream today, and I think we haven't ironed out, so my apologies. Well, no, to be honest with you, Ken, stuff like that, that awkwardness, and that I don't know what the hell I'm doing actually makes me giggle and I enjoy every minute seeing you squirm. Well, that's good, man. You probably had a good time. It caused me to have to self-medicate a little bit with some Miller Lite. But it was a good time. I've got a couple questions for Mr. Ernst. Yeah, please go ahead. And then we're going to take some more calls tonight. But, Zach, thanks for calling in on your own channel. I appreciate it. Thank you. Well, you know, the best caller is me. The people love you, Zach.
    87:25
    Start with the best, right? End with Creasel. That's what I'm thinking. And Jobber says that you work with Greg Bone, so he's used to somebody not knowing what they're doing. Oh! Oh, slam. Wow. Big ball slam. I'm Greg Bone West, I guess. I don't know what I'm doing over here in Illinois. But go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you off, Zach.
    87:45
    All right, the first question I have for Chuckie is, sorry, Chuck. It's okay. My dad was Chuck. I'm Chuckie, so that's good. Oh, there you go. Okay. So I don't know if you mentioned this in chat yet or on the stream because it was messing up the first 45 minutes. Thanks, Ken. Sorry about that, guys. Let's start that question over then.
    88:03
    Chuck, before pinball, what other industries have you worked in? So real quick, quick recap. I was a programmer for a couple of years earlier, between 87 and 91, 92. and I dabbled in 3D and then video game industry, you know, I was a programmer in the video game industry porting Super Famicom games or Famicom games to the PC.
    88:32
    Poorly, I might add. But I didn't know what I was doing, so that was, you know, thanks for the paycheck.
    88:38
    And then I was doing that and paying for my school, which was art school. I wanted to be an artist, which was silly because artists starve to death. That's where the term starving artist comes from. And then I realized at some point that I had like a technical skill that kind of bridged the gap between the programming and artwork. And when the PlayStation 1 came out, there was a need for that. And I ended up training guys and educating people on how to generate the content. So I made video games for 25 years. Wow. PlayStation, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, Xbox, just all over the place, iPhone.
    89:23
    And then so I worked on Mortal Kombat for Midway and NetherRealm Studios for a total of 17 years. And I worked on Mortal Kombat 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, about 10. and then Mortal Kombat versus DC, and I worked on a bunch of the DC fighting games and stuff, basically just doing a lot of blood and guts and simulations. And my specialty was a lot of, like, technical art skills.
    89:52
    And you did all the Leisure Suit Larry games, I heard, right? Yeah. Was that what I heard earlier on the podcast? But, yeah, no, it was a lot of video game background. And then when Pinball added the screen, And it turned into a thing where it was like, well, that skill set translated over to pinball. And I've always loved pinball.
    90:17
    I mean, there was a time where I didn't play any pinball because I didn't see it anywhere. And it wasn't like it was at the bars I was at.
    90:24
    And, you know, and George Gomez, who used to work at Midway, and he's a legend, you know. you know, all the games, the Tron games and everything else from way back when. Yeah, our homie Gomi. We love it. Homie Gomi. So he kept calling me up and going like, hey, listen, we're doing this thing. I need to know what kind of people I need to get because they were basically coming in the 21st century. And I said, you know what, I love pinball and I would love to work at Stern and, you know, see what I can bring to the company. So he was like, oh, great. And then I started in 2015 at Stern. Well, don't ruin all the surprises because all this will be on special inlet pinball podcast. Oh, sorry, sorry. That's airing tomorrow. And then.
    91:14
    Cliff notes would be good there, Chuck. I was trying to work a gunshot thing into it. Don't take away all of our frigging metrics. Well, long story short, then the guy got shot. Go on, Chuck. Go on. And then he got shot and stuff. So anyways, yeah, so that's how I ended up here. And I have to say, you know, I always joke with the guys that have not worked at other places before. I'm like, you will never, ever have it as good and enjoy your job as much as you is here. You know, like it's one of those things where, like, later on if they leave and they go work somewhere else, they'll go like, damn it, those were the, you know, the best days of my life. Yeah. You know, there's nothing cooler. And that's great is the kids, too, are also kind of catching on. They're like, pinball, it's real. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. So it's a very cool job. I enjoy it a lot. Very much appreciated. Just a couple more quick questions here.
    92:07
    In my profession, I'm a big team-oriented, team approach kind of guy. You seem like the same way. What is something as the director, what is something that you really remind your team or you really stress to your team when working on the title?
    92:22
    That's a good question. It is a team-based thing. And we kind of operate as if we're like an outsourcer or like an outsourced, like a marketing company, like client-based kind of thing. The designer and the programmer are kind of the clients. So our job is to service them, but also not to get crazy with it because we have real corporate constraints, like cost and number of people. And it's not just like, you know, the whole like pick three, it's like cost, quality, and, you know, and time. You get to pick two kind of thing. So my job is kind of to talk to the designers and the programmers and to kind of like go, pick two. And they always want three. But it's, of course, you know, it's that kind of thing. But it's, you know, they're definitely, it's definitely, my approach was also, it was always customer-based, you know, like no matter what I've ever done. And internally, it's the same. My job is to try to figure out how to get their vision on the screen without, you know, killing everybody involved. And so far, we've been pulling it off. So, and they've been happy with it.
    93:40
    Okay. Last question for you. Now leave you, Michael, alone. I appreciate the time. It's just a nipple question. No nipples.
    93:49
    You've worked on a lot of projects since 2015. Would you rather work on projects that include IP and assets a la like a Guardians of the Galaxy, or do you like those without assets like a Black Knight or even to some extent Deadpool where you're having the whole team animate storyboards and everything new? And we covered some of those pros and cons earlier. Am I allowed to talk about those? Yeah, go for it. Hey, this is Zach's channel. It does whatever you want. You're not under any of this. No, it's fine. It's a constraint. Right. No, Zach's the boss. So there's pluses and minuses to each of those things. One of the big things is everybody always wants to work on an original license because they feel like they have the freedom to do anything. But you still have the constraints of a company making a product in a short period of time. Yeah. So a lot of times the licensure kind of just forces those constraints on you. So from the lazy side of me tells me licensure because, you know, they tell me you can't just we just can't make anything. You know, at some point, Nicolas Cage is going to go, you know, I just don't want my likeness on that character doing that thing. So they're going to scream it. But, yeah, right. Right. So so so in the case of Black Knight, it was kind of a loosey goosey license. I mean, it's technically still a license, but the licensure was like, cool, just make a Black Knight game. And so that was, I mean, there was some freedom in that, but there's also a lot of rope you can hang yourself with with a license that just lets you do whatever you want. So I'm not a, you know, I'm not a fan of the just let the kids run loose in the yard kind of a thing. I like constraints. I like financial constraints. I like. A lot of people are like, oh, financial constraints are killing me. I'm like, I like constraints. And I always use the example of, do you remember the movie The Crow? Oh, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. So the reason why that movie is one of my favorite movies of all time is because. One of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah. It's because of the constraints. I'm giving you a hug before you leave, man. With our shirts on.
    95:56
    It's because the guy died during filming. Yeah. And so they. Do you remember how he died? Oh, yeah. It was a false blank. Right. So because of the constraints of, listen, here's the ingredients. You have to make a cake out of this because the guy died. We can't film any more cake. Right. I don't know. That's a bad analogy, but whatever.
    96:16
    They created an art piece out of that that is, to this day, like my daughter's, one of my daughter's favorite movies. Like the artsy-partsy people are like, this is a brilliant movie because those guys had the constraints. When you give somebody like Avatar or something, you're like, here, here's a billion dollars. Make a movie. You're like, oh, it turns out just like somebody had a billion dollars and just had unlimited funds. So I love constraints. I love the – I like technical constraints too. I like the idea of like with our system that we have, we have some capability in there, and then you come up with a way to kind of trick the system in doing something you want it to do, even though they can't add any more features to it or whatever. So I always find that the interesting part of what we do.
    97:11
    Constraints are where creativity comes from. I like it. You know what the quote of the spring is, though, right? The what? The quote of the spring is it can't rain all the time. A little Brandon Lee the Crow. I just posted it on Facebook because it won't stop raining. It won't stop raining out here.
    97:32
    Hey, Zach, man, I hope everything is up to your expectations at this point. I think we're running on all cylinders, and I'm happy that you called in, man, because we're going to kick off every After Hours with you if that's cool with you. Absolutely. Chuck, you've been fantastic. Thanks again. I can't thank you enough immensely just for coming on, giving the people the time. And Ken, Beattie, Bill, Brito, Bill, you guys are slaying it. This is the Timbalt team. Thanks, man. Take that out. Good times. I appreciate the time, guys. I will happily sit back and watch you guys talk about nipples for the next half hour. You may see a nipple or two. I don't know whose it's going to be. I'm so sorry. It's a good time. If Chuck brings anything to media, it's nipples. So that's good that he's here. That was my next T-shirt. Have a good one, guys. Hey, thanks, Zach. Thanks for calling. Thanks, Zach. Have a good night, brother. That frees up the Flippin' Out special lit after-hours hotline. So if somebody else wants to call in and has a question for Chuck, you can dial us at 630-283-2888. How's your drink there, man? You doing good? Bad.
    98:34
    What the? There we go. We've got another caller. We'd be interested in them. Thank you for calling after-hours on the Flippin' Out streaming network. Who am I speaking with? Hey there, this here is Tater with Best Buy. Best Buy Geek Squad. Why does it have a southern accent? Oh, snap. Is this Tater? Yeah, Tater, like potato. You'll blow me that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What up, Tater? Yeah, Tater. Like Tater. Tater, man. What can we do you for?
    99:07
    Look, I got an order here. I got an order here for Mr. Chuck Ernst. He ordered some $20 three-foot gold-plated HDMI cables, and I need to know a time when I can come and install them for him. I need you to know, though, that it's a five-hour window. Is this Gary Farris? Five-hour window. I can deliver any time between 3 p.m. and 8 p.m., mountain time. Nothing's better than the Geek Squad installation of HDMI cables that are gold-plated. It's got to be a monster. Yeah. Gold-plated. Gold-plated monster. Those guys sound familiar. They're monster cables. They're always gold-plated. Oh, yeah. I do have a question for Mr. Ernst, if you don't mind. Yeah, please. Please go ahead. Being almost as good of a programmer as I am, a master of information technology, I was a bit curious about working with the spike system. Is that like a proprietary language? Is it similar to any existing program? How hard would it be for someone even at my genius level to get in and work on that sort of system if I were to be hired by Stern and leave my great job at Best Buy. At Best Buy. Pretty requisite for Stern programming is at Best Buy. It's pretty much C++. Like, you could buy the manual at, oh, geez.
    100:24
    At Barnes & Noble if they still, Amazon. Barnes & Noble. What is this, 1994? Well, everybody's talking about Radio Shack and Best Buy and Blockbuster. C++. So you're working at C++. A dummy's guide to C++. Okay, so let's see plus plus. Yeah, it's a poor story. And the people I work with, it's not hard.
    100:48
    I'm kidding. Jesus. You have motivated me and all of the Geek Squad with that statement. So if we ever feel like swarming it, we would be more than happy to join you.
    101:03
    We're going to get that scheduled. I'm going to go ahead and get off you the line now. You all take care now. Hey, thanks for the call, Best Buy. I appreciate it. See you later, Geek Squad. He sounds like a friend of mine named Dennis.
    101:12
    Yeah, it sounds like somebody that I know that's friends of Elvin Jones. So it was nice to have him call in. Is he one of the chair monks? Yeah, your punch code in tomorrow is not going to work.
    101:22
    It's like, I'm trying to log in. Check back in tomorrow. Security code. How cute is it that he thinks we are that high tech? Right, right. Well, the time card punch clock over there still says Stegon. It does. I do. I'd be cool.
    101:36
    I didn't mean that. You'd have to re-key the whole building. And the window. You'd have to check out of the building. So the after hours line, 630-283-2888.
    101:49
    So I assume, are you having, when you rank this night. That's probably not what I had in mind. I was going to say.
    101:57
    When I reached out to you, honestly, I was like, oh, crap, I'm going to have to play Black Knight. So I went to Tim and I went, Tim, I need some help with Black Knight. You've been playing all day. And Tim goes, hold on. I printed a thing I found on the Internet on how to play it.
    102:13
    Tim, go to the damn thing. No, he goes, it's totally accurate, but I just never had time to put it together. I'm like, wait. I'm like, so they put this together? How did they put this together? He goes, they play it. I'm like, God, it's amazing. So what do you take away from that? Because I'm not sure the skills were demonstrated this evening. No, no, none at all. because I don't like to read. We said this game is set up a little bit differently, right, than what you're used to playing? No, if you look at the level bubble on this, it's just smushed at the top. It's a little steeper. Oh, not even a little. Like ridiculous. How reliable is that level bubble?
    102:51
    I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. I always play it at home. It's at like 6.9 is when I queued it in. And I think you're supposed to play Black Knight around 6'7 to 6'9, I thought. I think Steve. 6'9 to 7". Yeah. He said something on Facebook. Right. Well, Steve said this. He said if the pitch is too high, you think you're setting it up to be difficult, but you're actually making it easier because it's easier to trap up, and then you don't have as much problems with side drains. Well, you're missing your side shots, too. Right, exactly. So you're actually. I have to say it's easier. This one's easier to play? At our work, it's set up exactly how it should be. Okay. And it's, like, impossible. This is actually more fun. Yeah, you blew this one up tonight, Chuck. Yeah, with the three mil? I was, like, recording. I think I hit 11. Oh, my gosh. That's the max I did on this one. At work, I think I hit, like, I don't think I've gone past 40. And then Keith is, like, two billion. I'm, like, shut up. Oh, yeah, two billion. You go on lunch break and like, do you guys ever like walk into the Stern Arcade? Because when you walk in the Stern, right, you've got the factory, but then there's the Stern Arcade, which has a majority of the more current machines that are on display for people to play. Like, are you ever in there on your lunch playing? He's basically not.
    104:11
    You know, it's one of my favorite things to see in the Stern Arcade is Lyman. and Keith and a couple of the other guys that were AAA guys. And they'll start while all the machines are all lined up. And by the time they're done, one machine is at a 45-degree angle because they just beat the living crap out of it. And it takes like an hour. You'll get like a Mike Vinacore and a Keith and a Lyman and a Sharp. Yep. And they'll just beat the crap out of this machine. and then you'll come back an hour later and they're still playing. That's horrible.
    104:55
    Actually, that would be the best podcast ever, just watching those guys just beat a crap out of the machine and then yell at each other.
    105:03
    I don't know if that's a good podcast. I'm going to be honest with you, Chuck. That's like ultra-competitive pinball with yelling. I don't know how that is. It is interesting.
    105:16
    It's kind of funny because they're all very competitive. where I'll just roll over like a dead fish or something and just go, I give up. You know, where they were like, no, I'm going to win. So do you grab like Stephen Martin from the art department and play him? I mean, because, I mean, he's probably more like a more of a casual guy working under Greg. You know what the worst is? When you go up against like Mark Wayness' kid. Oh. His kid is stellar. Yeah. And he's 17, 18 years old, and he's just like, I think I can take him. And it just mops the floor with you. You're like, God, I'm stuck. No, you know what it is? It's the young kids. It's like it's the hand-eye coordination is there. They have it down. And the reaction is there. Like, I don't have it anymore. Like, my reaction went out after Madden football left Sega Genesis. Mine went out after 12 beers. Well, that's the other thing. Whenever I'm playing pinball, I'm having beers, right? So that just makes it even worse. This is the sweet spot there. Yeah, well, the sweet spot. Like, usually I've surpassed the sweet spot. No, you're right. You have the kids these days. It's quick, right? They have that hand-eye. Yeah. My favorite is when we did one of the earlier podcasts or one of the earlier streams of Black Knight.
    106:25
    God, I feel really bad because I run into Mark's kid all the time. I keep forgetting his name. Every time I don't remember somebody's name, I just think Nick. His name's Nick. Kids are all named Nick. Right. They can't remember everybody's name. When you ring the doorbell, you tell my wife you were here to see Nick. She's like, who the hell's Nick? Right. Yeah, come over there. So he gets in there. And the funny thing was the stream was great because people were like, this game must be super easy because this kid just slammed it. You know, like, stupid game. Like, Black Knight is not an easy game. And he made it, and he got, like, hundreds of millions of points on it. He's, like, 400 million points on it or whatever. And it was funny to see that. They're like, another easy game from Stern, whatever. I'm like, okay, just play it. Good luck. Because that kid is triple A. Like, he's not even. That's awesome. He hasn't leveled up to his Pokemon, you know, whatever. Are you playing any Pokemon? Do you have that on your phone? Like, what apps do you have on your phone? What are you listening to music-wise? Like, what's on your playlist? I am old school.
    107:27
    Okay, first off, I listen to Elvis probably 90% of the time. Okay. It's the Elvis machine. Yeah, I'm an Elvis fan. I'm an Elvis fanatic. I got married by an Elvis impersonator. And then... Was it in Vegas? Yeah, it was in Vegas. Okay. Nice. How's that working out for you? Everything still good? Oh, yeah. All right. That's good. Good. But then the other 10% is like mid-80s punk. Okay. That's my whole thing. You're looking at my point. You're like, Elvis? Sad, super sad, super sad. Blondie? Okay. That's sad, sad, sad. You know, but it's actually I was looking at my audio list today, and I was just like, God, this is such garbage. Oh, that's, go Cal, listen to that.
    108:13
    Elvis. I haven't heard this one before. No. Or Tom Jones. Okay, Tom Jones, Elvis. Tom Jones? Yeah. It's not unusual. Yeah.
    108:24
    So can you sing, like, karaoke? Are you a singer? I'm poor at it, but yes, I've done it. So, like, what's your favorite karaoke song? Because I'm going to ask you to sing, like, one lyric from it here.
    108:35
    Hey, listen, if we're not going to see nipples, Chuck, you're going to have to sing something. Like, this is the Chuck Factor. Come on. Somebody call in here. I don't want to see no nipples. I'll go home. I'm looking out on pinball screen. We need our guests to do something. So, another, yeah, exactly. What's up, Pussycat? So, no, when I was in high school, I was in a band called Jester. Yeah. And we did covers of Black Sabbath, Kiss, and, jeez, just ridiculously stupid Aussie stuff. So it was. It was Jester. Oh, Jester. Have you seen Jester? And I think it was the banner because I had a generator. Yes. Nice. Yeah, it was like, hey, do you have a generator? Can you sing? All right, you're in. And that was it. So, you know, so John Borg is a big, I think, karaoke guy. Right, right, right. And he likes to go, because I've seen several times on Facebook, and the reason I'm bringing this up is because Zach from Flippin' Out is bringing it up. He likes to sing Silverchair tomorrow. Have you seen or heard John Borg sing Silverchair tomorrow at karaoke? I haven't seen that one. I've seen something else. What have you seen? I don't know if it was Silverchair. I don't know what it was. It's not good when you can't identify the song. It was interesting. Yeah, but did he do it on a BMX bike? No, he didn't. But he's so stone cold face during the whole thing. He's ready to kick everybody's ass after he drops the mic on karaoke. But I do like the fact that he's singing some karaoke.
    110:11
    Good times. So yeah, please, do yourselves a favor. Because, I mean, John Borg's our buddy. He's a friend of ours. He's been here a couple times. But check out his karaoke. And if you're a fan of 90s rock alternative, especially the band Silverchair, Tomorrow is multiple renditions of Tomorrow by John Borg. which is awesome you gotta tell them, you gotta watch it and that's your MP3 list it's good times and if John Borg, if you're listening 630-283-2888 we'll get you this thing tomorrow live on the air on the Pimlis TV you gotta ask about his more back to the grass club that's going to be bonus content that's going to be microtransactions 99 cents for that story as we get caught up in chat. Oh, my God, we lost another viewer. Jesus Christ, what do we got to do here? Lord of the Rings Brett says, 50 million Elvis fans cannot be wrong. Jobber says, Chuck, is your wife's name Lisa Marie by any chance? No, it's Amy. It is not. It was high on the list of our children's names, but we decided to go with something else. Dave says, Bored Karaoke was on Facebook today. Let me see if I can pull up Bored Karaoke. Wow. He's like in his house streaming it? I love John Borg's karaoke. So let me see if I can clip this in. I've never seen this on Facebook. On the Facebook. One of my favorite memories, just recent, going to John Borg's office. He's got the quarter pound candy bars and like jars of peanut butter. And I'm like, it looks like, you got your peanut butter in my chocolate and you got my, looks like one of those commercials. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm trying to gain weight. Oh, seriously? I'm like, holy shit. I wish I needed to gain weight. So he's eating like... That's all I would eat would be peanut butter and candy bars. Yeah, what's the opposite of that? I'd eat that in my office. Right, right. I'm not eating those. Wafers and air. All right, so we're logging in on... Oh, no. Oh, it's a filbert chair. Oh, no.
    112:17
    All right all right So here we are So let Oh God It not unusual Is it going to come through No it not coming through So... I don't know. Hit the play button. Oh, Jesus. You brought some other talk into this? John Moore karaoke, ladies and gentlemen.
    112:51
    Is this a reaction video? Hold that video up. There's no video. Okay, so that was not tomorrow.
    113:24
    Was that John Varg? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, that is actually. I didn't see the video. We'll continue. It might be the real band. I think it's just the video. No, hold on. We'll go back.
    113:48
    All right. So I love John Borg, and I love pinball machines, and I love the fact that he rips out some karaoke. So for those of you that are looking to follow somebody karaoke-wise. Yeah, that was actually really good. Rorden, what up, brother? I got to love it.
    114:10
    I don't know if John Borg's being showcased in the stream. No, John. We're channeling him. It's like a Ouija board. Hey, is that Rorden? Rorden! From Shitsville, Australia. Right. He says, good day, fellas. Finally made it, and I'm dialed in from Shitsville, Australia, on the magnificent 3G network. 3G. We got 3G. Stop, start, stop, start, spin the buffer wheel. That's our buddy, Rorden. He's coming in for Expo. I'm introducing you. You don't know Rorden from Australia. He's like one of our favorite people on pinball. The Rorden from Australia? Rorden from Australia. Oh, yeah. See, he knows. Not like the Rorden.
    114:54
    And there's Dr. John. No, not Rorden from Germany. Also from Australia. Dr. John, are you coming to Expo? And if you aren't, can we give away some of these bits to get you over here? Like, we got about $16. Are we having a bit giveaway? Oh. Suicide. Great. People kill themselves because of Borgie. Thanks. No. Jesus. No, we're up one viewer, so people like us and Borgie. Like, legitimately, I'm not making fun of Borg. No, no, you can't make fun of Borg. You're a legend. No, because John Borg is, he's the man. I do want to go ahead and... Is that him jumping? Oh, yeah, he jumps the bikes, dude. Yeah, now nobody can see this on YouTube. That's not him. We're perusing... No, that can't be, because that guy saw his legs. No, and John Borg's asking how it's possible. Like, oh, gosh. But he jumped a bike off the dock at Stern.
    115:45
    Yeah, I remember that, actually. That's awesome. And he almost spilled. Like, he hit hard on... Tanya Kleiss was in the receiving dock when he left off the top there. See, you know, here's the deal. He went a little front heavy. Tanya likes to hang around and watch people hurt themselves. Who doesn't like to do that, though? The best part. That's why myself and Tanya get along probably so well. We like to see people entertain us at their expense. She's just like, oh, this is going to be good. I have to catch this. Right. Let me get my camera out. I recently bought a midlife price. We have a call here. We do have a call. I remember you have reached. I can. Well, you can't even figure this shit out. It doesn't even let me answer it. That's suspicious. Well, hit the button and see if it... Oh, God. Is this just going to do this now? There we go. Click on that thing. Whatever that thing is.
    116:42
    Yeah. I think we missed the call. Well, here. Hit it and see if it'll let you call out. I don't want to call out. Call back. That'll be awesome. Should we call back? Yeah. Hey, what? What?
    116:54
    No, 948. That was a little long distance. Go back to the insurance. That's what that sounds like. Make a call. Hi, we're helping businesses in your area. 847.
    117:07
    Hi, this is Best Buy. So we did miss a call here. Should we call back? Yeah, that's 847. That's local. We're safe.
    117:18
    Right. Well, I don't want them to charge our bill. I'm going to end up calling the wrong person here. Oh, this would be great. Oh, you're good. You just called here? 847-530.
    117:32
    I'm not going to say the rest because that would be not nice. Let's see if this works. This is totally going to go wrong. This is the best. I love this. We have to start calling Stern employees like this. That'd be pretty good. Water out of the tap is very hot to drink. Very hot to drink. What's up, Dave Fahlgren? How are you, buddy? Hey, local pinball enthusiast Dave Fahlgren's on the line. What's up, Dave? Just got done packing up my bags from Minnesota. Me and Sheen are buying the last action hero. You've got to learn how to say Minnesota properly. Oh, Chuck is calling you out there, dude. Minnesota. I'm sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. Hey, man, how's your night going? How's everything going in beautiful Plainfield, Illinois?
    118:22
    It's not raining. Yeah, can't rain all the time. About time. Nice way to bring it on, Kenny. Yeah, thank you. I used to live in Plainfield. Yeah, I like it. Oh, Chuck is a Plainfield native. Hey, 59 over there in Pondview. Oh, snap. Oh, yeah. I'm right there. I'm right down the road from 59. Right across from the Red Robin. Oh, yeah.
    118:46
    That's actually north of me. Oh, you're southern Plainfield. I can't talk to you. Yeah, you know. So there's a whole north side, south side Plainfield thing going on. I thought I was north Plainfield, but I guess I'm just a little south. It was hard to drive. Dave, while I have you on the line, interestingly enough, because we have our Australian contingent that's chimed in, right? So we've got Dr. John who does our stuff for Special One Lenten. He's irreplaceable. And then we've got Rorden Osborne that just chimed in. And you know Rorden, right? And Rorton has one of my lighters. I know Rorton. I met him at the show. And then Rorton. Is it a coincidence that we were singing Silverchair? Is that not an Australian band? It is an Australian band. Is it? Silverchair? It all comes full circle. I'm pretty sure. I think Silverchair is from Australia of everything. Dave knows everything. Movies, TV shows. I will say this.
    119:39
    Dave's got his DNA on every Facebook post on pinball. Oh, that's gross. There's one guy that pops up in my feed all the time. The backseat of his car. Dave Fulgren commented on this. Dave Fulgren. Like, Dave, literally, like you are. I don't have any DNA in the backseat of my car because I can't fit back.
    119:56
    The Miata? No, you're in Australia. So, Chrono861 says Silver Chair is Australian. Yeah, they were like 17 or something when that song came out back in the 90s. Right. Well, now they're like 52 probably. I didn't know if they sang anything other than Kookaburra. I've never heard of Cougar Bear. Cougar Bear sits in the old gum tree. Come on. I don't know. It's just really. No, it's not. Let it work. Get it. I'm good. They're high to drink. That's great. He loves those guys. Yeah, good times. If you ever need something to talk to, if you ever walk up to Borg at a show, I did this in Texas. You grab his ass? No. You just go, dude, silver chair, and he will talk to you about it. You talk about silver chair at BMX, and then I always say, man, I love Tales from the Crypt.
    120:41
    That's your segue into Tales from the Crypt. I'm going to hop on Borg's pegs one day. You know what you should do, Dave? You have a Tales from the Crypt, don't you? I do, and I love it. I do, I do, I love it. Get a pin sound, and I want you to pin sound it to all Silverchair music. And then I want you to bring it to Expo, and I want you to have John Borg play it.
    121:00
    That would be awesome. I think my Tales from the Crypt play a little funny. Can you just jump on this? Here are some headphones. I want them to jump over on a bike. The John Borg mix. And again, I love Borg. It would be even better if I had John Borg singing Silver Chair.
    121:15
    Only during Wizard Mode. Because that's your special. If I didn't have 14 other projects I had to work on, I might just be able to do that. And three children and a job and stuff. Wait, wait, wait. What are your other projects?
    121:28
    What's that? What are your other projects besides children and stuff? Right now, I've got Black Knight 2000. I've got a high speed. I've got a, oh, jeez, I hate going over this. I'm going to get depressed. No, no, no, no. I don't want you to get depressed. I've got a. I don't want your wife to find out. Jurassic Park. What's that? It's all my wife's guns and cocaine over here today, Dave. Just relax. And bombs. Calm down. Just throw it back in there. Yeah.
    122:00
    But, yeah, actually, I was calling. Did you guys see somebody put up on Facebook that Steve Ritchie introduction of No Fear? When he rode in on the motocross bike? I saw the post. I didn't click on the video, but I heard it was, like, unbelievably entertaining.
    122:17
    It's extremely 90s. And then after that, I don't know who the main guy was, but all of a sudden Susan B. Anthony comes out. And she's, like, wearing this lady, this model is dressed as Susan B. Anthony. And, like, halfway through it, she pulls off this, like, her colonial garb and is wearing, like, this, like, black. Please send me a bikini. I was just like, oh, my, it's a very interesting study in how things used to be. She has silver chair CDs pasties on. It's like, what else?
    122:50
    Might need to pull that up. It's like a two-hour video. Oh, never mind. Every third presentation, there's, yeah, and then there was one, they had Cruisin' USA with the two, and then all of a sudden they had two twins come out. It was very interesting. So, Chrono861 says, look up all the pinball promo videos on YouTube, and it's pretty hilarious, Chrono says. The one for Demolition Man. Oh, they were so good, though, in the 90s.
    123:17
    And then, like, cheesy, awesomely good. Yeah. Did you watch the one for Demolition Man? Oh, yeah, because they had Steve run out on the motocross bike, like, revved it up, takes his helmet off, pulls the thing off, and then, like, just puts his helmet back on and leaves. and then they had Susan B. Anthony and then after Susan B. Anthony they had the twins, the Cruisin' USA twins and then they'd show Theater of Magic. What game was he revealing? Or was he just showing up at a pinball show? Steve. No, it was like the pinball show when they used to reveal all the games. No fair, you said? That was a reveal for that game?
    123:55
    Yeah. Steve comes out on his motocross bike all of a sudden out of nowhere where this motorbike comes crawling up the middle of the theater. It's like a theater. It's like a, you know, there's all these guys. It's a theater of magic, Dave. It's a theater of magic. What year was this? That's like 90. Late 90s. Late 90s, right? It was like 2016.
    124:15
    Nobody went to Expo that year. And shit went down. I said Expo. Back up. I don't understand the Susan B. Anthony thing. I don't get that. Oh, who knows. How would you even identify Susan B. Anthony in like a. . . They got somebody. It was 90s pinball promos. Thanks for the call, Dave. I have no idea, man. I'm fascinated. Now I'm going to have to research this. Well, you know what? Susan B. Anthony had to be something. Was there like a... Well, I know they released the coin back in the 80s. Right, right. And they were like, it's a quarter that you could put in and it operates like a quarter, but it costs a dollar.
    124:52
    Let's pick the next call here. Hi, thanks for joining us on Flippin' Out Pinball. After hours, my. Who am I speaking to, please?
    125:00
    Dr. John. Hey, Dr. John. Dr. John, how are you doing? Is it me, Dr. John? I need you to do like a retinal scan.
    125:07
    Got to make sure it's you. I'm glad you didn't say rectum. Oh, yeah. No, not a rectum. Damn near killed him. Hey, how are you, buddy? It's awesome to talk to you. How are you doing?
    125:15
    I'm good, mate. Just watching the stream at work, but I thought I'd jump in and a quick hello in person. Yeah, absolutely. So being from Australia and one of my favorite correspondents on Special One Lit, by the way, Like, are you a silver chair guy? Have you ever listened to a silver chair? Do you know who we're talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, they won a radio contest when they were 15 years old, and that's when they wrote that song with the awful lyrics, the water out of the tats, very hard to drink. But, yeah, those were the kids back then. They had probably three or four good albums and then broke up. Of course, Daniel John's got severe arthritis, had to stop playing music for a while, and married Natalie Umbruglia, who had torn as a hit. I think it was a hit there as well.
    125:59
    Yeah, but they're still around. He's still touring. Nice. You know everything about him. Yeah, history buff over here. That's huge. What were the other two bands in Australia?
    126:12
    What were the other two bands? Are you asking, like, what were some of the bigger bands coming out of Australia? The other two big bands in Australia.
    126:19
    All right. Well, name the band. We had Jack Danger over here a while ago. Oh, God. I know some of these people were Australian. Jack Danger doesn't count as a band coming out of Australia, Dr. John.
    126:33
    Inexcess. You may have heard of Inexcess. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I have an Inexcess story. Men at work. Oh, yeah, there's men at work. Like I was saying in chat, they got sued pretty much a lot of their money because Chuck was thinking Kookaburra sits on the old gun for his shit. and he did a little Kookaburra sits on the old gum tree during the song on his flute, Greg did and the owners owned the rights to that song so they sued Men at Work and got millions of dollars for it Oh no way, so bad Now is that true? Is Snow Patrol also out of Australia? Because that's another group, like an alternative Nope, they're not Wow, okay We've got I love another air supply Big Head Tommy and the Koalas?
    127:24
    Big Head Tommy and the Koalas? I don't know. What? That's making him stand up. Big Head Tommy and the Koalas. And the rabid Koalas?
    127:37
    Why are you rabid? I don't know. It's Australia. Hey, Dr. John, while I have you on the line, didn't you take part in a game show or something that was out of Australia recently and it kind of pertained to pinball? Could you tell us a little bit about that? Because I find this story fascinating. And I didn't put two and two together until recently. So do you have 60 seconds to kind of go into that or no? Yeah, sure. Okay. It's a quiz show called Hard Quiz in Australia. It's a comedian who likes to take the piss out of the contestants and denigrate them as much as possible. But you're allowed to choose. Sounds like our podcast. Sounds like Steve Ritchie. Oh, snap. No.
    128:17
    He's not listening. Finball, and there's a wide range of topics people go on with, but we had a good time, and the other opponents can steal points off you if they know your specialty topic, and then there's a lot of general knowledge as well, and went on for a bit of fun and won that, and the ABC contacted me because it was well known I was going on a record about three months before it was aired, and it was the highest rating TV show of the month on that network. Ah, he's bringing in the ratings. We're in Dr. John, just like Special Win Lit. Our ratings have never been higher since Dr. John's been coming aboard, man. I'm not serious. Dude, that was fun. That is fun. And for myself and Bill, man, we appreciate the fact that you are in there covering Spooky on a week-to-week basis. It's just fun. And are you going to be in the States at any point here in the next year? Yeah, yeah. Bringing Emily over to Pinburg in August.
    129:14
    And then we're going to New York first, then Pittsburgh, and then we're going to come to Chicago for four days. When are you going to be in Chicago?
    129:23
    After Pinburg. So I think Pinburg finishes on Sunday, August the 4th. Okay. And we'll be, yeah, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th in Chicago. Can we try, if your schedule permits, can we try to connect for like a dinner or some drinks? I'd love to meet you. I'd love to meet your daughter. and it would just be fun to sit down and talk some pinball. And even if we're not playing pinball, I always like to have a handshake and put a face with a name and all that good stuff. Definitely, definitely. Let me know. I appreciate you calling in, man. Awesome, man. We'll try to have some games. Well, you keep up the good work, enjoying the stream and the after hours. Even the funny robot noises at the start. The early hours are much better, though. What time is it over there?
    130:11
    What time is it? It's 1.20 p.m. on Tuesday. All right. It's 10.20 p.m. on Friday over here. No, I'm kidding. Wait, what are we on, Monday? We're on Monday. All right. We're on Monday. That's cool. Great, mate. All right. Keep up the good work, and we'll definitely catch up in America in August. Keep up the good work yourself, Dr. John. Looking forward to seeing you as we lose Dr. John on the Flippin' Up Pinball Hotline. We encourage anybody that wants to call in, 630-283-2888. And as I notice now, we had a mass exodus of Bill Webb and Chuck Ernst. Now, I can only imagine. There's some nipples upstairs. Oh, there are probably not nipples upstairs. But let's get caught up in chat here. We're going into, you know, Dennis Creasle saying the Bee Gees, Midnight Oil from Fulgren, and Lord of the Ring Breath. We've got another call coming in. Never heard of. From the 903 area code.
    131:08
    Let's see what we got. Hey, caller. Thanks for joining the Flippin' Out Pinball hotline. After hours, who am I speaking with?
    131:18
    I'm listening. What the hell, Ken? Hey, what's going on? How are you? You totally dodged my call earlier now. My feelings are hurt. Oh, everybody. Kerry Hardy, welcome to the program. That was the one you hung up on. Yeah. You know what? I was sitting here watching a stream. He's like, I've got a call coming in. We'll just skip over that one. I'm like, what? Yeah. I was watching. There was no way to answer that. There was no way. There was no button. Kerry, whenever you call, it just gives me an option to hang up. I just thought, yeah, Max.
    131:48
    Don't like the Southern love down here in Texas. They're like, no, we don't want any of that. There's some real Texas down there. It's great having you on, brother. For those of you that haven't talked, Kerry Hardy on YouTube. He's got a YouTube channel where he's breaking down pins and redoing pins. He just teamed up recently with Straight Down the Middle where he's offering content there with Zach and Greg. So, Kerry, welcome to the show, and thanks for calling in. Chuck Ernst, we've got Kerry Hardy on the line and Bill Webb. Kerry's been involved with Pinball YouTube channel. So he does a lot of restorations and refurbs and mod additions. And he films all this kind of stuff up. He edits it up. And he just teamed up a little streak down the middle. So he's got content. I've actually got my head inside an old EM machine right now. Sorry. Sorry about that, man. That's why there's no echo. That's why your audio is not good.
    132:37
    So let me get out of here. I had a lot that I called when I was there because Chuck and Bill went off somewhere to go make out. I don't know what they did. There was no weed. There was a little team in Tokyo going out with the nipples upstairs, I think.
    132:53
    See the little Mr. Bill shirt right there? I knew it. I've got to get those flippy marks out of my shirt now. Oh, my goodness. What brings you to the program, Kerry? What's going on? Just dropping in to say hello? I know that we're getting pretty low on rare prize theme about Midnight Oil and stuff like that, but I had a question, and I know that, Chuck, you can't get specific, obviously, but due to the recent events with Black Knight, obviously it's a sequel to Predecessors, is it possible that Stern will be doing more sequels in the future?
    133:27
    Or is it out of the question? We are – if you buy them, we will make them. No, no, it's like WWE2 is coming to a distributor near you. You know, it's funny. When we were first working on it, people would call me up and they'd go, I've got a Black Knight, and I've got a Black Knight 2000. Please tell me you're making, you know, like, please tell me we're making another Black Knight. Because they want all three. And I've had the same comments about the Elvira. You know, people like to collect a selection. You know, they'd like to have all of them, you know, kind of a thing. and it's a built in customer base a lot of those guys will buy the next one because they want to have four, they want to have all of them and if they're missing one it drives them insane so if enough people buy it they will definitely make another Black Knight for sure I don't think any Another Black Knight? Like a fourth one? I think he's just talking about sequels in general I'm talking about sequels in general so you know you've got the new Elvira coming out, that's a given. That's been announced pretty much. I mean, you've got the mattress of the I'm sorry, the mistress. The mattress of the mistress. Hey now!
    134:40
    I love you, Carrie Hart. Generally, if it's not a licensed-based thing, it's a little easier. Like, if it's a Universal Monsters or one of those kind of things, they tend to, it's more complicated than just making a sequel because you have to actually go through the whole process. But if it's an original title, which is why you see these guys, you know, you see Chicago Pinball doing the Mars attacks or attacks from Mars or whatever. You butchered that whole thing. Yeah, well, like that Chicago Pinball place. I got you. I know what you're doing over there. It's called a disinformation act.
    135:18
    But, you know, if it's not a real license from a real studio, it's open. Kerry, let me ask you this. If you were to be able to see one sequel on a pinball machine be made by Stern, what sequel would you like to see? What are you rooting for?
    135:39
    Well, I'm obviously a Steve Ritchie fan, and I know Bill's on board with this suggestion as well, but I'm going to lead towards the Getaway 3, or Getaway 2, or whatever, High Speed 3, essentially. So we could get another really cool high-speed game. I think that would be awesome-tacular. Steve would be all about it. I think you would, too. You know, I hope the success from Black Knight allows Stern to give him a little creative license on continuing with that. Because between the two, in all honesty, I would have probably felt more connected with a high-speed three versus a Black Knight. I never really had a vested interest in the Black Knight. That being said, the game is fun, and I enjoy it. But I hope there is an opportunity that lends itself to seeing a little high-speed three. I think that'd be fun. It'd be a great game. Yeah, I just recently played the Black Knight just a few days ago for the first time, and he kicked my ass. Yeah, well. I mean, some of the things, you think you're good at pinball, then you play that game, and you're like, well, evidently I suck.
    136:38
    Hey, you know, evidently if you put the game to 6.9 degrees, it's easy to play according to Chuck. Oh, okay. At this point, no. One million Chuck over here. If they took high speed and did like Illinois. One million Chuck. Right now, it's like you just get caught in tollways the whole time. Yeah, you'd have to. Woo, woo, woo. A single level. And it wouldn't be a flow game. It would be a stop and go game. Right, right. Hey. No. Hey. Speed trap, man. I'll be here all night. Hey, Kerry, thanks for calling in, brother. I appreciate it, man. Kerry, good luck, man. We'll talk to you, brother. Good talking with you guys. You too. Get a speed pass. Good having Kerry Hardy on the speed pass. Speed pass. He has the speed pass. I'd like to spend $20 on a speed pass. The mod for that game would be a red light camera. Right. Kick ass. And a GPS tracker. It just like flashes, takes your picture. All right, we're going to go back in another call. All right, last one though. Hello. And they keep calling the flipping out hotline. I'm listening. Hello.
    137:40
    Hello. How the hell is it going? I heard I have a thing in there. What? Can you hear me, Chuckie? Yeah, I can hear you. This is me, Elvis.
    137:59
    It's like Elvis' brother. He's calling from Jimmy Hoffa's house. Elvis' sister. Take a remorse. No. Hey, Chuckie. I heard you've been listening to my tunes.
    138:13
    All right. I got a couple tunes for you. Ready? Oh, is this Borg? One of the boys. Here we go.
    138:28
    A little less conversation. A little more silver chair. It's Borg. You like that? I'll get rude to you tomorrow.
    138:40
    How about this one, Chucky? Oh, no. It's now or nipples Oh crap This is my legacy The same Zach time, the same Zach channel Alright, here we go Alright, one more Here we go Since my hot dead flip left me I found a new place to dwell Down on the lonely flipping Now screaming that choppy audio hell Oh!
    139:15
    Oh, yeah. Hey, thanks for calling in, Elvis. You answered our stream slam. I'm the cocaine leader. I'll see you later. Oh, hey, thanks. I thought we were going to get some suspicious flips or something. Something like getting rip-roared by Elvis out of southern Indiana. No, it's just, I don't think it was Elvis. It was something. It was something else. I don't know what it was. It was like Elvie. or LV Elvin. Not sure what was going on there. So we're at the 1029 mark, so we're going to take one more call. Let's go. And then we'll probably, we'll let Chuck get to Wisconsin. Get the hell out of Illinois. This is not going to end well. This is really bad. I think this is... Hey, and thank you for calling the Flippin' Out Pinball After Hours Hotline. This is Ken, Bill, Steve, and Chuck. We're listening.
    140:07
    What's going on, guys? How are you doing tonight? Good. How are you doing tonight? Thanks for calling in. You have a question for Josh? I'm doing dandy.
    140:14
    Hey, this is Josh with the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. Hello, Josh. How are you, buddy? What's up, Josh? Don't be so down on yourself, Josh. Oh, jeez. The Loser Kid name is a call to a band. He's not calling to a band. Oh, okay. All right. That makes sense. Listen to episode nine. We explained it all there. Right. I did listen to that. But, yeah, please. Thanks for calling in, man. What you got going on? Oh, just arms deep inside of a Jurassic Park pinball machine at the moment. Oh, nice. Is it working?
    140:46
    Well, probably not if he's got his arms deep into it. You don't do that to a working machine. It's like, oh, this machine works. I'm going to go get his pumpkin. I don't hear him swearing, though. Right.
    140:59
    But, hey, I was calling because I don't know if Chuck ever said this or not, but what is his favorite pinball machine right now? I said it earlier, and that's why Elvis just called it in.
    141:13
    My favorite pinball machine is Elvis by Steve Ritchie, Steve Ritchie Productions. All right. A lot of people give me some crap for that because a lot of the guys that love deep rules and they're super pinball fans don't like it. But I like it just because everybody can play a kind of game and compete. So that's my current favorite pinball machine. Josh, while you're on the line, what's your favorite Stern pinball machine right now, Josh? Right now?
    141:49
    I would have to say probably Stern Star Trek. That one's fantastic. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, it is a good game. Did you have any work on Star Trek, Chuck? No, no, but that's the one I, when I first started at Stern, that's the one I learned about pinball. Okay. And everybody was telling me, like, dude, do not make that many modes. Nobody can play that many modes. Like, I just got, because I can only finish, like, maybe one and a half fields of modes. Yeah. And there's, like, 18 or something like that or whatever. But it was, and we were like, nobody can beat that game, except for Keith Elwin. I think any impossible task ends with except for Keith Elwin that's just how it is so a lot of these guys are like we're going to design a pinball machine that can kill Keith Elwin and I'm like no which means no one will get past ball one well Josh thanks for calling in and everybody that's listening check out Loser Kid Pinball Podcast on your favorite podcast streaming app appreciate it Josh wait one minute dude One minute. What? One minute? Since he already answered my favorite, what's your least favorite pinball machine then? It's also Elvis. I don't know if it qualifies as a pinball machine, but what is that, Orbit?
    143:08
    Orbit. Yeah. Orbiter. That is a... Orbiter one. What the hell were they thinking when they made that thing? I don't know. Well, they had a kilo in their pinball machine of different kinds of things. That was a transporter. When I first discovered the pinball machine, I'm like, this is awesome. Look at this thing. And then I played it. I'm like, why?
    143:28
    It's honestly the worst thing ever. Fiberglass was cheaper than wood. Yeah. God, it was so painful to play. Crazy times. Yeah, Order 1. That was it. Order 1. No, it's like you can't get worse than that game. It looked great, though. And I would love to own one. For the art. Yeah, the art. Just because it's an art piece, but it's just everybody plays it once. and they go, hmm, no. I want to take a pass. Right. Yeah. I think we got some thank yous to take care of here. For sure.
    144:01
    You know what? We got to acknowledge this one. Orbiter One looks like a meth lab's bathtub. Thank you, Rory. That's great. That was all-encompassing right there. That's exactly it. Penn Stadium says really great stream, guys. Thanks, Scott. Hey, Scott. Hey, guys. Scott, thank you for the support and the bits. And, guys, everybody, thank you for the bits, the follows. I mean, just the general support. The same guys that come in here on a weekly basis and join in the chat. It's fun. I mean, and this streaming channel is meant for those, you know, that are pinball enthusiasts that want to meet on a week-to-week basis. And then having these games streamed by the employees that make these things possible is only more of a tremendous asset for pinball. And to know that these are documented and archived makes it actually detrimental to Chuck's employment probably. But I'll be back tomorrow if I'm unemployed. Right, right, exactly. He might be joining the three-man team. He'll be learning what bits are real quick. Hey, guys, I've got a little broadcast tomorrow too.
    145:02
    Come on. I can say this. If you get a chance, again, special in late pinball podcast, we're going to upload our interview with Chuck tomorrow. Really fun guest to have. Knowledgeable guy. Just a guy that you want to have into your home and see his nipples and play some pinball. So that was a good time. I'm going to wear my nipples on the outside of my suit next time. No, don't do that. You need Band-Aids to cover those up. But I do want to thank Zach and Nicole from Flip It On Pinball for allowing us to stream Black Knight Sword of Rage. I want to thank Steve for coming in and joining in on our pinball adventures of Ken and Bill from Special Unlit. Love it. And I want to thank Chuck Ernst from Stern Pinball, computer graphics art director, who not only came in and helped us with some questions, but really kind of carried some entertainment throughout the stream tonight. From the Geek Squad. So that was absolutely fun. I want to thank the callers that called in and made the – I'm glad that that kind of went off without a hitch. Yeah. I want to thank everybody for their patience for the first 30 minutes. Honestly, I expected a bababooey, bababooey, bababooey. Yeah. Bababooey. It was kind of crazy. Bababooey. It was kind of crazy. But you know what? Hey, we're learning here. We're evolving. We're doing the best that we can, and we do appreciate it. And before we let you go.
    146:22
    For Steve Beattie, Chuck Ernst, and Bill Webb, I am Ken Cromwell. I am Bill Webb. Everybody have a good morning, good afternoon, good evening. And don't forget to take some time out of your day and play some pinball. So long, everybody.
    146:34
    you