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058: This or That - Steph chooses!

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·59m 17s·analyzed·Jul 29, 2026
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TL;DR

Hosts test Pinball Ranker tool and debate game preferences across eras.

Summary

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast hosts Stephanie and Mike test a new game-ranking tool called Pinball Ranker (pinballranker.com) that lets users rank pinball machines by choosing between two random games rather than filling out detailed rating surveys. They play through dozens of matchups, discussing games they've played and haven't, debating design philosophy (flow vs. gimmicks), and sharing opinions on classic and modern titles. The episode also includes casual banter about HQ life, a local community member's woodworking project, and tangential tech complaints.

Key Claims

  • Pinball Ranker was created a couple months ago as an alternative to Pinside's rating system, which has too many required questions

    high confidence · Stephanie explaining the tool's origin and purpose to Mike

  • The Pinball 2000 series (Revenge from Mars and Star Wars) had swappable playfields that could be removed and replaced, making them modular like Multimorphic before Multimorphic existed

    medium confidence · Mike and Stephanie discussing Pinball 2000 technology; Stephanie initially unfamiliar, Mike explaining the swappable playfield feature

  • Paul Faris created the backglass art for Centaur, Lost World, and Night Rider, and allegedly drew himself and his wife on the backglasses of these games

    medium confidence · Stephanie and Mike researching artist credits during gameplay discussion, noting the recurring couple on artwork

  • Game of Thrones has a layout very similar to Black Knight

    medium confidence · Stephanie comparing Game of Thrones and X-Men 2012 during matchup discussion

  • Dr. Greg achieved a 1.2 billion point game on Walking Dead Remastered with an 11x bonus multiplier and held bonus

    high confidence · Mike and Stephanie observing a live gameplay session on Walking Dead Remastered happening downstairs at HQ

  • Venom (2023 Stern) is an underrated game with superior gameplay to Ultraman despite Ultraman having a cooler theme

    medium confidence · Mike and Stephanie comparing Venom vs. Ultraman during Pinball Ranker matchup

  • X-Men 2012 has a layout virtually identical to Rush by Stern

    medium confidence · Mike noting the similarity between X-Men and Rush during game discussion

  • Most mid-to-late 1990s pinball games prioritize toys and mechanics over shooting flow and playability

    medium confidence · Mike's opinion comparing games like Champion Pub and Cirqus Voltaire to earlier designs; framed as personal preference

Notable Quotes

  • “Which one do you like better? Okay. If you have them.”

    Mike @ ~10:00 — Explaining the core mechanic of Pinball Ranker—gut-based preference without needing to have played both games

  • “I feel like it should match era per era... it was a Harry Potter versus like an old solid state EM. And like, you can't really pick between those two games. That's totally different.”

    Stephanie @ ~8:30 — Initial design critique of Pinball Ranker—cross-era matchups make comparison difficult

  • “It's a big F you to crapple in Google. Oh my God. Google's not going to show anybody this YouTube video now.”

    Mike @ ~15:00 — Tangential tech rant about Apple/Google product lifecycles; comedic meta-commentary about algorithm suppression

  • “8-Ball fucking rules... I love that eight ball. It is so fun. I don't like a wide body.”

    Stephanie @ ~45:00 — Strong personal preference for narrow-body classic machines; expressed awareness opinion may be unpopular

  • “I don't need that stuff... I'd go play it because it's cool and I don't get to see it. I played it like five times and I don't need to play one ever again.”

    Mike @ ~70:00 — Opinion on Indiana Jones the Pinball Adventure—appreciates novelty but doesn't enjoy repeated play due to toy-heavy design

  • “It doesn't add to flow it doesn't add to shooting good there just a bunch of shit in the game and you see it once and it like I sick of it... Firepower 2 all day”

    Mike @ ~95:00 — Design philosophy critique of 1990s Bally games; advocates for flow-based gameplay over gimmick-heavy design

  • “If you were getting it for here, like to put it in the row, do we need to buy every Paul Faris, every game that Paul Faris did the back glass to? ... That would be pretty awesome.”

    Stephanie @ ~105:00 — Collecting philosophy—considering artist/thematic consistency as acquisition criteria for venue/collection

Entities

Punk Rock PinballorganizationStephaniepersonMikepersonMarshallpersonDr. GregpersonStevepersonPinball RankerproductPinsideproduct

Signals

  • ?

    product_strategy: Emergence of Pinball Ranker as alternative to Pinside—addresses community fatigue with detailed rating surveys; gut-based preference system designed to lower friction for casual ranking participation

    high · Stephanie and Mike explicitly discuss Pinside's excessive survey questions as 'not fun' and low on engagement; Pinball Ranker creator built tool in response to this feedback; hosts engaged enough to test it on-air

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Emerging design philosophy divide: Mike strongly advocates for flow/shooting-focused gameplay (Firepower 2, 8-Ball) over toy-heavy 1990s games (Champion Pub, Circus Voltaire, Indiana Jones); sees toys as distracting rather than enhancing

    high · Multiple statements: 'doesn't add to flow...just a bunch of shit,' 'more about the gimmicks than how it plays,' 'another one of those 90s games.' Consistent choices in matchups favoring simpler classics

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Walking Dead Remastered capable of exceptional bonus plays—Dr. Greg's 11x multiplier with held bonus generated 475M bonus on final ball, resulting in 1.2B total score; hosts express surprise at scale

    high · Live commentary during gameplay: '475 million' bonus, '1.2 billion points,' hosts never seen bonus like this on WD Remastered before, motivates them to test game post-episode

  • ?

    collector_signal: Punk Rock Pinball considering curator-driven collecting based on artist/theme consistency (Paul Faris backglass art across Centaur, Lost World, Knight Rider); thematic coherence as acquisition criterion

    medium · Stephanie's question: 'do we need to buy every Paul Faris game that he did the back glass to?' followed by 'that would be pretty awesome'

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Hello. Hi. Welcome to the Punk Rock Pinball podcast. This is episode 58. I'm Stephanie. I'm Mike. And we're the hosts of the show and we're trying something new here. It's probably not going to work. Well, we'll see. Well, I mean, we're doing something new here for people watching on YouTube. We've got a or not watching on YouTube. We've got a little desk in front of us. Yeah. My little rolling check in cart that we use here at HQ. That's new. Yeah. And it's a new thing. Marshall is back. He is looking really, really cute over and just out of view of the the camera right now, He's now eating his, I don't know, calming treat. He also had really stinky farts on the way here. But it's two for two stinky farts. Funny story that happened this afternoon. So Marshall and I were here on the second floor of HQ and there's a second room back here. And the fellow who used to have a recording studio here still has some of his stuff stored in there. And one of the things he has stored is an old taxidermied coyote. And Marshall and I went in the other room looking for something and Marshall discovered it sitting up on a shelf and was very curious and started creeping up to it and like going to sniff. And I was like, oh, God, he's going to attack this thing. And of course, the taxidermied coyote did not move an inch. And as soon as I grabbed Marshall's harness, he went berserk, just losing his shit over this stuffed coyote. It took me about 30 seconds to get him out of the room, but he was pissed. He was mad.
2:03
Yeah, I thought there was like, I was downstairs, I thought, is there like a raccoon up here or something?
2:10
You would have thought it. What's he doing? Don't do anymore. Well, we're looking at a thing. I'm getting ahead of ourselves. Yeah, so before we get into that, any news? Well, I wanted to give a big shout out and a thank you to our member Steve. He was here yesterday. I was here doing some drum practicing. We had some folks playing here and Steve was outside all day for like six or seven hours building a bench, an awesome bench for our like porch thing over there. It's really nice. It's a really cool bench. He spent a lot of time cutting it and sanding it. I think he did multiple paths of sanding with different grit. Yeah, and then stained it. Stained it and kind of took the rough edges. Everything's curved and it's nice to sit back on. He did like a, it was like a pro job, I feel like. Super professional, nice wooden bench. Handcrafted by Steve. Yeah, very, very cool. Awesome. Yeah, that just, we needed a little place to sit out there. Yeah. Not today though, because it is so humid. Yeah, and then we're setting up for the podcast here, and then Dr. Greg is right down here playing Walking Dead, which is right below us.

Twilight Zone is one of Mike's least favorite pinball machines to play in the world

high confidence · Mike expressing this as a personal opinion during Labyrinth vs. Twilight Zone matchup

  • Someone is remaking Cirqus Voltaire or Theater of Magic

    low confidence · Stephanie uncertain speculation during Cirqus Voltaire vs. Firepower 2 discussion; she says 'I think so' and 'I don't know'

    • “The whole like lower playfield is a gimmick, but it's not something that's just upping your business all the time.”

    Stephanie @ ~115:00 — Nuanced take on toy-heavy machines—acknowledges gimmicks but distinguishes between integrated and superfluous mechanics

  • “Champion Pub is very much fun, but I feel like it gets old. It's another one of those 90's games to me that is more about the gimmicks than it is about how it actually plays.”

    Mike @ ~118:00 — Repeated critique of 1990s game design philosophy—preference for shooting/flow mechanics over toy features

  • “Charlie’s Angels sucks balls. It is so bad. It's the worst, Gottlieb System 1. And like what a waste of the theme. Amazing theme.”

    Mike @ ~125:00 — Dismissal of a licensed game despite strong theme—implies licensing doesn't guarantee quality gameplay

    • Pinball 2000
    product
    Walking Dead Remasteredgame
    Evil Deadgame
    Venomgame
    Dunegame
    Ultraman: Kaiju Rumblegame
    Game of Thronesgame
    X-Mengame
    Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventuregame
    Firepower IIgame
    Cirqus Voltairegame
    Centaurgame
    Paul Farisperson
    Punk Rock Pinball Podcastvenue
    Close Encounters of the Third Kindgame
    Labyrinthgame
    Twilight Zonegame

    historical_signal: Rediscovery/clarification of Pinball 2000 modular playfield technology (swappable playfields between Star Wars and Revenge from Mars); represents proto-Multimorphic innovation from mid-1990s

    medium · Mike explains playfield swap capability; Stephanie initially unaware; both acknowledge it as innovative attempt to save industry during downturn; unclear whether this tech was widely known by modern community

  • ?

    community_signal: Punk Rock Pinball HQ functioning as community hub—volunteers contributing labor (Steve's bench project), multiple players using venue for casual play (Dr. Greg on Walking Dead), trading opportunities with local collectors

    high · Steve spent 6-7 hours building bench; punkrockpinball.com lists games for sale/trade; hosts mention 'within a couple hours' radius traders; 'almost every machine...if you look us up on the pinball maps'

  • ?

    product_concern: Pinball Ranker's cross-era matchup problem—modern games vs. EM/solid state creates incomparable choices (e.g., Harry Potter vs. 1980s EM); suggests need for era-based filtering or separate category tiers

    high · Stephanie: 'it should match era per era...you can't really pick between those two games.' Hosts skip several cross-era matchups (Viper 1981 vs. Rocky 1993, etc.)

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Venom (2023 Stern) gaining reputation as underrated—hosts and guests recognizing superior gameplay despite less appealing theme than alternatives (Ultraman, X-Men); possible secondary market perception shift

    medium · Mike explicitly calls Venom 'underrated' and 'one of the more...' (trails off); states it has 'vastly superior' gameplay; survives multiple Ranker matchups against newer competitors

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: X-Men (2012 Stern, John Borg) and Rush (Stern) share virtually identical playfield layout; Game of Thrones layout similar to Black Knight; possible modular design reuse across releases

    medium · Mike: 'It's virtually the same layout as the Rush Pinball Machine by Stern'; Stephanie: Game of Thrones 'layout's very similar to like a Black Knight kind of'

  • $

    market_signal: Active local trading community around Punk Rock Pinball HQ—'almost every machine in here' available for trades; suggests healthy secondary market activity in Midwest region

    medium · Hosts state 'almost any machine in here would be open to a trade offer'; encourage trades from 'within a couple hours' of venue; Close Encounters listed for sale/trade on website

  • ?

    design_innovation: Pinball 2000 (mid-1990s Bally) employed swappable playfield technology allowing single cabinet to host multiple games; represents significant pre-Multimorphic innovation in modular design

    medium · Mike explains: 'they were trying to be real innovative...you could have that cabinet and put the other ones in...swappable because the playfield's smaller.' Hosts acknowledge it was revolutionary attempt that 'didn't quite do what they'd hoped'

  • ?

    content_signal: Punk Rock Pinball experimenting with new on-air format—physical desk setup, live gameplay demonstrations (Dr. Greg's Walking Dead session), testing new tools (Pinball Ranker); attempting to enhance video/stream experience

    medium · Opening: 'we're trying something new here...We've got a little desk in front of us...That's new.' Live commentary on concurrent gameplay downstairs during recording; real-time testing of Pinball Ranker tool

    • 3:35
    And he's on ball three, or his extra ball, so it's ball four, and he's got 277 million points, and then his bonus comes up. And it's like he had a big bonus multiplier. 11. 11x. And then the bonus was held. He had the hold bonus. So the bonus was like 400 something million. 475. 475 million. So then turns out his final score after it's all calculated is 1.2 billion points. Just right here. Just right now. Yeah, and I've not ever seen a bonus like that on The Walking Dead remastered, and now I feel like I need to go down there and try to do that. I know. What the hell? We're going to play a little Walking Dead after this. He went crazy.
    4:27
    He did go crazy, but he was just, you know, quietly jamming on it. Quietly jamming. And then for our episode today, we're going to try this pinball ranker thing, but I don't know if I like it. Well, it's just a bit of random. Let me tell you a little bit about it before you shit all over it. Well, I'm not shitting on it, but I don't know. We'll see. Tell me about it. So this fellow created it a couple months ago, so it's still pretty new. And here are some of the key features, he says, of the Pinball Ranker. One, his goal was to create an alternative to a ranking system based on ratings and reviews And instead, focusing on following your gut and picking games based on which you enjoy more. Okay. Okay? So some of the features are rankings are based on picking between two games selected at random. Okay. Games cover all eras. You can even rank EMs. As you rank games, your personal top games list is created in the background. And you can re-rank games in your top games list anytime. And finally, you can easily share your top games list with others. It's pinballranker.com. So he just, I think he's been making a lot of improvements and changes to it based on people's feedback. But he just was kind of like us, like a few episodes back, we were just talking about how there should be like another ranking system instead of Pinside, Which is so intense and doesn't make you want to rank anything. It kind of sucks the fun out of it, at least for me. All the questions you have to answer. To put a rating in on Pinside, you have to... There's a whole big long list of things. It's not fun. Like low on fun. I guess because I was perusing through this pinball rink or skipping through some ones. The only thing I don't like initially, although we'll use it here on the episode and we'll see, is that it would have like a super modern game versus like a super old. And I feel like it should match era per era. Okay. Well, I mean, aren't they in categories? It said solid state EM, but then the choices that I skipped through was it was a Harry Potter versus like an old solid state EM. Oh, that's weird. And like, you can't really pick between those two games. That's totally different. Well, let's play a little bit. All right. Let's play it. So we have it pulled up. I'm going to skip since you've been going through these. Or you could click haven't played. I guess we have not played either one. Here's one. Well, Viper, it's Viper versus... Vyper from Stern Electronics in 1981 versus our Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends from 93, Data East. So again, two games I don't feel like should go head to head against each other. Well, and I've never played Viper, have you? No, but it's a solid state. Well, I'm gonna...it doesn't matter, like, we're just, which one do you like better? Okay. If you have them. So, the next, I have not played Swords of Fury. Me neither. So you can Mark Haven't played. Mark and Mark haven't played. We should start doing that. Okay, Strikes and Spares versus No Fear. We've played both of these. I'm picking No Fear. This isn't... Okay. Oops. Oops. I can't go back. I accidentally picked Back to the Future over Jaws. Oh my god. You can't go back? No. Gonna have to re-rank this. Yeah, I think you can go back and re-rank. Yeah, I don't think I can go back. We're also using a laptop that I didn't bring the new laptop. We're using a really janky laptop. I think this site actually looks better than what it does on this screen share because this is a really old map. What are you supposed to do with old electronics like this? I feel like we should get rid of this computer. Yes, we're using a Mac laptop that cannot be updated. No. It cannot be updated to the latest Apple iOS.
    8:49
    Therefore, you cannot update the Chrome. And it seems like the people of the world should be able to sue Apple in a class action suit because it's bullshit. This computer is not that old. It's old, but it's not that old. And it costs a lot of money. And so they make their own product essentially useless for the people.
    9:16
    Yeah, we should trade it in or something. But who's it good for? I don't know. I mean, I guess you can trade it in probably for pennies on the dollar versus what it's worth. But the big tech companies really can suck it. Apple, Google, you all suck.
    9:32
    You heard it here first. They're just siphoning all the money out of the people of the world for more billions and billions and I hate them all. Okay. Yeah. That was an aside from Mark Pindball. That was a public service announcement from Mike on the technology of the world. I'm sure if you're listening or watching you agree, you spend $1,500 on a phone which in a year and a half is barely usable. You know? Yeah. It sucks. It does suck. Yeah. Let's just get rid of it all. It's a big F you to crapple in Google. Oh my God. Google's not going to show anybody this YouTube video now. No, this YouTube video is going to get squashed by the algorithm because we're trashing them. Yeah. I don't care. No one's going to see it. I don't care. I feel how I feel. Tens of people are going to miss out on this. Yes. Well, like a hundred-ish, hundreds, a few hundred people are going to miss out because Apple and Google aren't going to show it to you because I'm trashing their brands. Okay, let's look at this pinball rinker maybe a little bit different, okay? Okay. So we're going to click through. I think this is going to show us that there are a lot of pinball machines that we have not played. There are a lot, but we have to describe it for the people just listening on audio. Yeah, so the pinball rinker will show two games and it says, which game do you like more? For instance, right now, El Dorado City of Gold or Stern's Jurassic Park from 2019, which is great. But before you do that, I think the way we should play this is like a game. Like I think we can click that you can click if you haven't played the game and maybe it won't serve it to you again. Well, if we click haven't played it, we'll put a new game against Jurassic Park. Okay. That's what's going to happen. All right, cool. So we'll just click haven't played until we can get to that we have played. Yeah. Under each game, it has the Backglass Art, it has the title, and then you can choose whether or not you've played it. We have not played El Dorado City of Gold. There are hundreds of pinball machines we haven't played. Yeah. And we've played a lot of them. We should go play more. Here's another one. Electro-Namo. From Stern Electronics from 1978. It looks cool. Okay. Evil Dead, Spooky Pinball 2004 versus Stern Jurassic Park 2019. Which do I like more? I'm going to say Evil Dead. I would take Jurassic Park, but this is Stephanie's account.
    12:04
    Okay. Oh, the next one that has popped up. It's a good matchup. Ultra, Ultraman, the Kaiju Rumble from Spooky Pinball 2021 versus... Venom. 2023 Stern. I mean, for me, Venom. It's no contest. I want to love Ultraman because like for me the theme of Ultraman is way more appealing than like the theme of Godzilla. Like I think Ultraman is like 10 times cooler than Godzilla. Or even more appealing than the theme of Venom. Oh totally. But I feel like I don't know. I think the spooky Ultraman probably came out right around the same time as Godzilla. 2021? What year was Godzilla? I don't know. But it's a way cooler theme. And it's a way cooler theme compared to Venom. But the game of Venom is vastly superior to the game Ultraman. Yeah, Venom is like one of the more... it's an underrated game. Godzilla came in 2021 as well. Oh. So we're taking Venom. We're taking Venom. All right. Memory Lane from 1978 versus Venom. I don't know Memory Lane. No. Okay. X-Men 2012. Okay. That's a tougher one. Versus Venom 2023. And so... Is Venom going to stay until something beats it? I think so. Okay. Which is interesting. But we had this, the X-Men 2012. We had that for a while. We did on that game. For quite a while. It's a John Borg. It's a great game. It's very similar to Rush. It's virtually the same layout as the Rush Pinball Machine by Stern. Which is also a fun one to play, terrible music. Mm-hmm. I'm going to say, personally, I like playing X-Men more than Venom. I like Venom better, but this is your account, Stephanie's account, Stephanie's Choice. Oh, now it's both changed. Ooh! Oh. Well, I've not played... So now we're looking at Escape from the Lost World. We have Lost World. I didn't know there was an Escape from the Lost World. Or Excape from the Lost World. Did I say that? No. Oh. Escape from the Lost World, it's like the, I think the follow up to the Lost World, which we have here, versus Monday Night Football. We've not played either of these. No, but it makes me want to find Escape from the Lost World. Yeah. 1988 Valley.
    14:37
    And the Monday Night Football was the Day to East, 1989. Okay. We played both of these We have played both of these I read this one you read that one Okay The first one is Predator from Pinball Brothers 2025 Just came out last year We played this at Pinball on Perry in Attica Indiana We did. And the next is Mary Shelley's Frankenstein Sega 1995. We played that.
    15:06
    We did play that. It was kind of banged up. So not a great example of it. I know which I like better of these. You're going to say Predator? Yeah. Me too. A lot better. That dog is trying to get his way into the coyote right now. He's like scratching at that door. Alright, so I'm picking Predator. Oh! Okay, we own one of these. We own one of these. Alright, so, and this other one is very fun. So, Big Buck Hunter Pro, Stern 2010. John Borg. Great game. Super fun. Yeah. Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Gottlieb 1978. We have one of those. It's for sale. It is for sale. On our website, punkrockpinball.com. Go there. You could buy our Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Which do you choose? You could trade too. We take trades. If you want to trade, if you're in the... within a couple hours of us, you should come visit. And if you want to trade machines, almost every machine in this facility, if you look us up on the pinball maps, We would trade about any machine in here. Yeah, there's a few that maybe not. Ripley's, no. Yeah, and they're not all our games. They're not all our games. But a lot of people have said, yeah, I'd be open to offers. Yeah. So, that's cool. Almost anyone that has a game here would be open to a trade offer. So, yeah, check that out. But Big Buck Hunter Pro versus Close Encounters, let's say you. And the question is, which game do you like more? Mm-hmm. I mean... It's just trusting your gut, which do you like to play more? I kind of want to say Big Buck Hunter Pro. I agree. It's more fun. I mean, I do love Close Encounters. All right. And I haven't played NBA. This is NASCAR versus NBA. NASCAR I love. Yeah. The Stern NASCAR 2005. Fun. It's a lawler. NBA. NBA, I don't know who made that one, but we don't know it. Okay. All right. So we've got NASCAR Stern 2025 versus... Revenge from Mars, Bally 1999. NASCAR all day long. NASCAR.
    17:23
    All day long. I don't like that Revenge from Mars with like that weird... No, the Pinball 2000 or whatever they called that. Mm-mm. There was a Star Wars and Revenge from Mars. Because it was supposed to be revolutionary and maybe save pinball. It is not fun. Because you could kind of, it was almost like a multimorphic before multimorphic where you can take the playfield out. The idea was you could have that cabinet and put the other ones in. Oh, really? It's way more of a process. I didn't realize that. But they're like swappable because the playfield's smaller on those Pinball 2000s. You can take it out and put the other one. It's kind of plug and play. I had no idea. Yeah. And it was supposed to kind of revolutionize the industry and hopefully get Pinball back. Pinball was dying at that time. It didn't work. I thought it was like, let's just put a TV screen on it. Yeah. I think they were trying to be real innovative and save Pinball with Pinball 2000 and it didn't quite do what they'd hoped. Well, you know what? You never know unless you give it a shot. Yeah, they tried. They tried. And they made three games, I believe. Revenge from Mars. Star Wars. I think there's maybe just the two, but maybe there was a third. Oh, maybe it is just the two. Marshall's up my business. I just want to see. Pinball 2000. Machines. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I played one up at the Garkade in suburban Milwaukee. They had those two. Maybe it is just two. I think that might have been. If there's a third, let us know in the comments below. I only know of the two. Okay, so this is 8-Ball, Bally, 1977 with the Fonz. Versus the Jetsons by Spooky 2017. We've not played the Jetsons. I haven't. I haven't played the Jetsons either. I do love 8-Ball, so let's see what this gives us in its place. Ice Fever, Gottlieb 1985, haven't played it. Twilight Zone. I'm going 8-Ball. This may be a very unpopular opinion, but 8-Ball fucking rules. Valley's 8-Ball versus Valley's Twilight Zone. I would also pick 8-Ball. I mean, I think people are going to get mad about that maybe, but I love that eight ball. It is so fun. I don't like a wide body. I know. We've talked about it. Yeah. Not a fan. No. Even though I did pick Evil Dead earlier, but that's all I got. All right. Jokers with a Z. Have you played that? I don't think so. It's a Williams game from 1988. I'm going to re-roll. All right. Okay. So, we've got James Bond 007. Stern 2022. Great game. You know we love him. Versus Dirty Harry Williams 1995. I don't know if I've played that. I think I've played that. Does Pinball Capital have that? I don't think I've played it. Does he say go ahead make my day? I don't know. I think they had something different. Pick haven't played because I'm not sure if I played Dirty Harry. I mean, I, he better say go ahead and make my day.
    20:44
    Not sure. No, Blackjack, not played it. Speakeasy have not played it. The Games by Gottlieb 1984. That's like an Olympics thing. Never even seen that. Police Force. I've played that. I haven't played Police Force. Oh, they had it at the Galloping Ghost.
    21:01
    Maybe I've played it. Anyways, Bond is better than that. I'm choosing Bond. Yes. It would have been something really special would have had to have popped up on the right hand side to be Bond. Okay, this I've never played. Vacation America? Chicago Coin 2003, never even heard of it. It looks like it's supposed to be like kind of off the movie Vacation, but not. All right, let's see. Give us something else here, Pen Ranker. Oh, World Poker Tour. Great game. Steve Ritchie, Motor Dome, Ballet 1986, World Poker Tour versus Motor Dome. Motor Dome's pretty fun. I have a choice. These are all your choices. I hate the artwork on World Poker Tour. It is so gross. Yeah. It's so gross. Uh huh. It makes me uncomfortable almost. Even playing the game in the play field, it just makes me uncomfortable. Because the art is so bad. Uh huh. Yeah. But the game is fun. But it takes a lot for me to go over and hit the start button because the art is so bad. Yeah. I'm picking Motor Dome. I would pick World Poker Tour. I think World Poker Tour is super fun. It is super fun. More fun than Motor Dome. You like the boobs. No, I'm not picking more Poketur for the boobs. I prefer the drawn ones on pool sharks. I love a good card pinball game, don't get me wrong. There's something about the artwork that makes me uncomfortable. This is a 2006 game and the art looks like it's from 1996, kind of.
    22:50
    Yeah. It looks very 90s. Motor Dome looks cooler. It's fun. Sounds cooler. World Poker Tour is more fun to play, but it's your account so you can pick. I'm picking Motor Dome.
    23:06
    Ooh. Oh boy. All right. So now we've got Metallica 2013. Yep. Dune, Barrels of Fun 2025. I don't think this is close. No way, not even close. No. Dune all day long. Yeah. It's so good. Now, if you had Metallica remastered, closer contest, Dune's still better. I thought it was remastered at first. That's why I was like, ooh. Yeah. But yeah, Dune is a great game. And I need to spend some more time on it. Yeah, Dune's phenomenal. Really, really good. It's great.
    23:48
    Independency, I've never played that. I've not played that either versus Flash Gordon. I've played Flash Gordon. I've not played it. Can we swap them up? Phoenix, 1978, I have not played. A lot of games we haven't played. I know. Black Hole, I think I've played this but I don't remember it. So I don't have much of a choice or an opinion on it. I'm not going to be a reunion on it. All right, we got a Godzilla. Black Hole 1981 versus Godzilla 2021. I mean, I have to go Godzilla. Yeah. Next matchup is Indiana Jones, the Pinball Adventure, the night that the Williams one, not the Stern one. We've played both of these. The Williams one is the real tricked out one. Yep. Versus... 24. By Stern. Which is also great. 24 is great. Yeah, who made that one? Who designed that one? Do you have an idea? It might be Lawler. I don't know, but it is... I don't even have a guess. Steve Ritchie. Oh, Steve Ritchie. I think you can say what you prefer better. Mine's gonna make people angry. You're gonna say 24? Yeah. It's a great game. I like playing 24 better than I like Indiana Jones the Pinball Adventure. I'm sorry. I mean, I'm picking Indiana Jones the Pinball Adventure. It's just, it's an experience. There's a lot of stuff in there. There's a lot of stuff. And it's really fun. And it makes me want to hit start again. So does 24. I really enjoy that one, too. It's a hard choice. But I'm going in IJ. Seth's going IJ. I'm going 24 by Stern 2009. I think it's more fun to play to me. Yeah. I don't care for the games with that much shit in them like Indiana Jones where it's just all nothing but gimmicks. I mean, Ripley's is nothing but gimmicks. No, Ripley's doesn't really have really any gimmicks. There's no like toys on Ripley's. There's the shrunken head. Well, it's got the shrunken head, just the magnet that you bash. Yeah. And like some ramps. But this IJ's got all kinds of crazy shit. Yeah, it's fun. And I don't need that stuff. Okay. I'm not saying when it's there I want to go. I'll go play it because it's cool and I don't get to see it. I played it once. I enjoy it. I played it like five times and I don't need to play one ever again. Okay, I'll remember that. Okay. Never ask me for quarters to play Indiana Jones. And if it's the only pinball machine that it plays, it's still pinball. Yeah. So I would need to play it again if there was nothing else around. Okay, then I'll give you quarters. Okay. All right. Touchdown from Gottlieb. Never played it from 1984. Nope. Artwork looks cool. Mars, God of War. I feel like I've seen it, but I don't know it. Cool back, last. Very cool. Last Action Hero, Data East, 1993. I don't know if I played this. I think I've played it once, but not enough. Click haven't played it. We can't have an opinion on that. Okay. All right. Labyrinth versus Twilight Zone. I want to love Labyrinth. I like so much, so much, because I love the movie. Man, does that topper look awesome? Mm-hmm. Great topper. But I don't like this game. I like it better than Twilight Zone. I'm picking Twilight Zone. I would pick Labyrinth for the record. Okay. I mean... Twilight Zone is one of my least favorite pinball machines to play in the world. Labyrinth is just not there for me. Maybe I don't know how to play it. Maybe I don't know what I'm doing. It's hard. I just... Not an easy game. And it just is like, it doesn't make me happy. Twilight Zone gives me some joy. I don't get much joy out of Twilight Zone. We haven't played either of these. I haven't played either of these next two. Dominoes by Spooky and Hot Tip by Williams. Hot Tip. Give me your hot... Diner's fun. Now we have Diner versus The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle. Well, for me, I have clearly played Rocky and Bullwinkle way more. And so I'm going to pick, that's the one I like more because I know it better. I would pick that one too. I'd pick Rocky and Bullwinkle over Diner. I mean, Diner I've played a handful of times. And I enjoyed it. Ooh, nice matchup. I guess the people, and if we don't have the screen recording on, which may, because we're recording the screen, it may or may not work. I don't know what we're doing. So you might see it on the video. You might not see it. So it might be funny that every time we flip it, we go, ooh. That might be annoying to you. But sometimes when the matchup pops up, it's hard not to say, ooh. And this was an ooh. Ooh. So this one is Firepower 2 from 1983 versus... Circus Voltaire, Ballet 1997. Do you want me to say what I'm going to do first? I think you know. I think we might do the same choice and people will be mad about it. Because people love the other one so much? Yep. And it's fun, but it's not like...are they remaking Circus Voltaire? Yeah. I think so. Right? I don't know. Am I right? Or is it like they're doing Theater of Magic? I think somebody's making Circus Voltaire, though now I don't know. In any case... Firepower 2. Again Circus Voltaire a game this is a big thing with the 90 you put all this shit in a game that doesn make it play any better It doesn add to flow it doesn add to shooting good there just a bunch of shit in the game and you see it once and it like I sick of it These 90s games most of them Firepower 2 all day Okay, that's what I picked. Okay, Sentar versus Skateball. That's a very tough matchup. It is a tough matchup. Both Bally, 1981 versus 1980. Skateball's pretty fun. Yeah. And Sentar, we were just talking about this on League Night, or was it on Friday? I don't know. Were you there when we were talking about how much we love this game? No. I think it was me and Chad and Greg and Luann maybe. It's so good. Both these games have amazing artwork. Yeah. That's not the same guy on art that did like Lost World and Knight Rider is it? Because it's a couple and he always draws them. I don't know that could be a fun fact but I feel like... You can keep talking I'm gonna look that up. I feel like it could be. We do have our Lost World right next to Knight Rider because it is the same artist and it's him and his wife on both back glass, which is pretty hilarious. And she's got some good knockers.
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    Well, at least as he draws them. Like this lady, I don't feel like it looks like her and it doesn't look like him. No, I just want to know. It's Paul Ferris did the art for Centaur. What about Skateball? And that has that almost looks like them. Yeah, I think that could be him on Skateball.
    31:28
    Lost World Pinball. I gotta look up Lost World right quick. The artist, Paul Ferris, it's him. Did he also do Skateball? So Centaur is the same couple that's on Knight Rider is the same couple that's on Lost World. And possibly Skateball, because that almost looks like them.
    31:50
    So it is the same guy that did all of them. And is he as muscular as he really is in these pictures that he paints of himself? I hope that he isn't, that he's just a really small, small-framed guy who, like, this is just how he draws himself. So Skateball is different.
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    Oh, it is not him? No, it almost looks like them. Maybe this person is inspired by Paul Ferris and maybe it's his interpretation of Paul Ferris. But Centaur, Lost World, Knight Rider, same guy and it's allegedly the couple that you see on the back glass always is his interpretation of them. Yeah. So that's wonderful and fun. Way to go. I'm picking Centaur. Man, I played skateboard a couple times at Chicago Water and Fire and they had a gorgeous version of this game. Beautiful. And I loved it. And I wish I could pick them both. But maybe because of the art I would go with Sentar because if you were getting it for here, like to put it in the row, do we need to buy every Paul Ferris, every game that Paul Ferris did the back glass to? I mean, it'd be kind of awesome.
    33:08
    That would be pretty awesome. I hope he's like a really nice guy. I suppose he's probably pretty old now. Probably.
    33:18
    All right. Game of Thrones. Great game. I don't think I've played Barakoa. No, it looks familiar, but I've not played it enough to rank versus Game of Thrones.
    33:31
    Game of Thrones is a Steve Ritchie. Let's re-roll for the Barracoa. The X-Men 2012. Versus Game of Thrones 2015, a couple years later. For me, it's Game of Thrones. I haven't played as much as I've played X-Men 2012, but I feel like the Game of Thrones, it's pretty deep. It's got a cool rule set to it. The layout's very similar to like a Black Knight kind of. I would go Game of Thrones, I'd agree on that. Okay.
    34:14
    Good matchup here. Creature from the Black Lagoon, Bally 1992 versus... The Champion Pub, Bally 1998. Is that what that says? Okay. Hmm. Um, they both have like gimmicks. They both have gimmicks. One less so than the other. Really? I feel like a whole like lower playfield is a gimmick. A lower playfield is a gimmick, but it's not something that's just upping your business all the time. I do love Champion Pub. It's fun. I feel like I've gotten my fill of it. Yeah. I don't know which I like more, but if both of these were right down there right now, I would play Creature. I'm thinking it's a no contest that Creature is vastly superior to Champion Pub. Who designed that one? Good question. I don't think it's close between those games. Because Creature, you have to do a ton to get to that lower playfield. So that's like your whole, you have to do all these things to get down there. Like that's like kind of a whole mission of the game.
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    Whereas like Champion Pub, that thing is up there up the middle. And I know you're, it's your Trudeau creature. Oh. We got a light down. We're going to need to plug that in.
    35:48
    All right. You can pick it. So we're picking creature. I didn't realize that. Champion Pub is very much fun, but I feel like it gets old. It's another one of those 90's games to me that is more about the gimmicks than it is about how it actually plays. It was a big thing like those middle to late 90's like more about the toys and the mechs versus how well does the game shoot. Champion Pub is a clunker for shooting it. The next one I don't think we've played either of these enough. Oh, alright. That's not, it's Simpsons Day to East, I've never played that. And the Rolling Stones, Charlie's Angels we've played. Yeah, it sucks. Versus Viper, Night Drive, and we've not played. Star Race have not played it. Cyclone. I'm picking Cyclone. Easy, easy. Charlie's Angels sucks balls. It is so bad. It's the worst, Gottlieb System 1. And like what a waste of the theme.
    36:55
    Amazing theme. Somebody should redo a Charlie's Angels pinball. It wouldn't probably sell. No. Because nobody knows it anymore. But great theme. Terrible game. Worst Scott Leap System 1 versus Cyclone, which is a wonderful game designed by Barry O. Released by Williams in 1988. Fantastic game. Yeah, with Ronnie and Nancy in the front of the Cyclone roller coaster telling you don't do drugs. Cyclone is great. It is so good. Yeah. So, this makes me feel like there are so many games that we have not played, which I know we know. Yeah. And we're going on a little road trip next week. Yeah.
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    And we should try to find some places where we can play some games we've never played before. Well, I think we might swing by on the way home, right? Pastimes Arcade. Yeah, we got to figure that out. What do we got to figure out? I mean, it's like six hours from Philly. Yep. So we drive there. Okay.
    37:57
    Not much figuring out. We wake up in Philly, we drive to Pastimes Arcade. Okay. Right? Yeah, I guess we do flip for a little bit. Yeah. They're not open on Mondays, are they? No, we're going to go on the Sunday. Yeah, I know. I know. But I mean, I was just thinking like we don't have to be home till Tuesday night. Right.
    38:19
    But I think they're closed on Mondays. I think they are. But we'll have Sunday. We're going to go there on Sunday at some point, even if it's for an hour. But past time, well, Sunday we're going to go there and we're going to play in a tournament. Oh, we are? Yes. What time is this at? It's in the afternoon. Oh, okay. We were going to drive a little bit Saturday night. We've already had this conversation. I just didn't know plans were solidified. I thought it was still up in the air. We said it so it will be done. Okay. We said it in the car a month ago. I know. Yeah. I just didn't know it was like locked in. I thought we locked it in. With who? Us. We locked in. That's what we were going to do. Yeah, no, but when you said we're going to play in a tournament, I didn't know there was a tournament. Well, I think there is. Okay, that's what I'm saying. There may be a tournament that day, but either way, we're going there. Yeah, I know we're going there. For several hours. The tournament thing was what I was unsure about. May or may not play in a tournament. Okay. Cyclone, winner all day over at Charlie's Angels. Not close. So we're going to go there and that's going to be really fun. Mm-hmm. And, but I think we also are going to have some time where we're going to have to really look at the Pinball map app and find some other places. So if anybody is like an E, lives somewhere between Bloomington, Illinois and Philadelphia. Yeah, because we'll have that. We're gonna leave... On Thursday. I thought we were leaving on Wednesday. Oh. I play on Friday. I guess we could leave on Thursday. I'm a... This part we haven't decided. This is happening next week. Which day we're gonna leave. Not even next week, like this Wednesday, Thursday. This coming week. Today's Sunday. It's happening in a few days. I guess we have not officially locked in what day we're gonna leave. I can do whatever you want. I think I've told my mom that Marshall is coming over Wednesday. They'll leave Wednesday. Because we could leave Wednesday and pick a destination, I guess. Do you think there's any tournaments in Indy on Wednesday night? That's a good question. We're going to have to look it up. Because, yeah, because if we leave Wednesday, we could get to Indy. We probably want to try to get to Columbus, Ohio. Do you think there's going to be a tournament in Columbus? Are there any Wednesday night tournaments in Columbus, Ohio? There are no punk rock pinball ones, I know that. That'd be fun. We haven't played a tournament in any other state, actually, have we? I don't think so. So, yeah, we'll look at this. If there's a tournament Wednesday evening in Columbus, Ohio, if you're watching and you If you know of one, let us know. Let us know in the comments below. Otherwise, we'll check. Oh, we're going here? Yeah. We're going here? Well, I mean, I just figured we would do that, a little bit of that. Okay, sure. How far are we? We're at 41 minutes. I think we can just do a couple more. We wanted to talk to you about Anxious and Angry. Yeah, we did. We wanted to talk about the online superstore. Online punk rock superstore, anxiousandangry.com. Where you can donate your old clothes to help save cats. You can get the debut LP from Mermaid Island right now. You can also get the new LP and merch from The Arrivals. Fantastic LP. Cool artwork. You can get Off With Their Heads, Hospitals, 20th Anniversary EP. You can also get the new Toys That Kill LP and Merch! Amazing. We're just reading the pop-ups that come on their site. You can do the Minnesota Aid and all products. It's a benefit. I can't read. You can get Dillinger for this. She is genius, sir. The Minnesota Aid one is cool though. It's got that shirt I've worn before. Yeah, with the loon. Yeah. There's also a Blitz restock that's happening so you can get there. I'm not sure what that is. Me either, but the artwork looks cool. You know what else you can get? Kyle Kinane. Blowout sale. Yeah. Fan of Kyle Kinane. He's a fan of... Guess what else you can get? What? Sincere Engineers and Elb and Probable Claws. 25% off something. And we've hit it all. You can donate your clothes to help cats. You know what else you can get there? Why are we not in the pop-ups? Ryan should put us in the pop-ups. So we're not in the sliders on his website homepage, Ryan. What the fuck, Ryan? Come on. You can get Punk Rock Pinball merch at anxiousandangry.com. That's where you get it. Yeah, and what do we have up there?
    43:06
    We've got a bunch of stuff. You can just type Punk Rock Pinball in the search. It'll get you there. Okay. Or if you just Google Punk Rock Pinball merch, that'll get you there, too. All right. Oh, we've got all kinds of t-shirts. I want one of these, if you scroll up, these green ones. Like an army green? Yeah, we have like an army green one with the black. If you subscribe to the email list, you get 10% off. Army green with the black logo, I want one of those. Or there's this like natural color.
    43:42
    That's nice too. Yeah, the green and the black, that's a good combo. I want that. You can get all of your Punk Rock Pinball t-shirt ideas. We've got designs. Tank tops. Hmm. Hats, pins. Some hoodies. What's that? Well, you just typed in pinball and hit search, so it's bringing up other stuff. I don't know why it's showing Smoking Popes. You can get Smoking Popes merch in there. But yeah, visit anxiousandangry.com. You can type in pinball in their search bar, it'll bring up most of our stuff. Yeah. Or you could go to Google and say punk rock pinball merch, it'll take you there. But they have vinyl and cool stuff from a lot of bands like Midwestern punk bands Dillinger 4 off with their heads Dopamine Smoking Popes Naked Raygun Naked Raygun, Pegboy, Sincere Engineer, the Bull Weevils, and more. And more. Mermaid Island. Toys That Kill. All of them. All kinds of stuff. So check out Anxious and Angry, if you would. Tell them- We'll go back to our pinball rancor. All right, we'll do three more of these. We'll do three more. So our left side one right now is NBA Fast Break. Great, fun. We've not really played Blackwater 100. Never heard of it.
    45:04
    It looks cool. The back glass looks cool. So next week when we're gone, are we going to record this on the road? I think we should try, even if it's kind of shitty. Oh, that's a great question.
    45:18
    I'm picking on this. Well, this is why you wanted to do a two-part episode. Yeah. Because I'm like, we'll be fine next week. Well, we don't put it out until Wednesday.
    45:30
    That's true. So we'll be home. Okay. We can record it from home. Okay. This is a very tough matchup right here. Is it? It is not to me. Not really, but I like both of these games. All right, NBA Fast Break versus?
    45:44
    Star Wars Fall of the Empire. Now, the NBA Fast Break is really interesting. It's interesting. Every time this comes up, I love that we got to experience those two games. That game, being able to play head to head with two NBA fast breaks connected. Yeah, in Cleveland. Somewhere over by Mahal's. I can't remember the name of the place, I'm sorry. On Detroit Street. It was so cool. I love the game. I love NBA fast break. It's so fun, but for me this is not a contest. No. Like, follow the Empire rules every day. Follow the Empire rules. It's like a top tenner ever, I think. I love it. Oh, God. Oh, we've played these. Well, have you played? Yeah, I played both of these. Okay. Silver Ball Mania? Silver Ball Mania. It's right down there somewhere. We have it. I can see it from right here. Versus Barry O's Barbecue Challenge. I, this is unpopular. Okay. I kind of like Berrio's Barbecue Challenge. It's ridiculous. I think it's not bad. I think it's not a bad game. It just like, you know, has that stupid American Pinball back glass thing. I hate the way they look. The back box? Yeah, the back box. Yeah, like, why couldn't they have just made the back box like normal like the other ones? It would have made me like more of their games because I hate that shape. It ruins like a row of games when you have this one that's all wonky. They look stupid. They do look stupid. I think they look stupid. I'm actually going to go Berrio. You know I've wanted one of these. I would love to get a Berrios BBQ challenge. Aside from that, every American pinball that I've played, the flip or fade is insane. I know. And I know all games, it happens to all games. And the Dirty Pool guy at Pinball has a whole episode about it where they studied it. Oh, really? And they put thermometer things measuring how hot the coils get and how hot they need to get in order to suffer from fade and how long it takes for them to cool down. And it happens to every game. But my goodness, American Pinball, something with their power supplies or flipper mechs, it's like after two multi-balls, the damn thing will barely flip. I hope they remedy this on newer games they make. I hope so too. It's a whole new day at American Pinball. That said, I wouldn't mind having a Barrios BBQ challenge in here. I mean, maybe not for competition, but just for casual play. Yeah. Just like, you know, just learning the ways of the barbecue with Berrio. If you wanted something for, if you're like a location and it's like tournaments and leagues, mostly Silver Ball Mania all day over Berrio's barbecue.
    48:44
    Great tournament game. It's a fun game. Yeah. That little horseshoe thing. It's super fun and like really sexy artwork. Yeah. It wasn't done by that one guy. No, I mean, that is like the guy, like he is like doing something to the coin door for sure with his wiener. Uh-huh. But we're taking Barrio's Barbecue Challenge. All right. Last one. I have not played either of these Defender. There's one we played Rush versus... I don't think I've played that. No. Next. I don't recall playing this. Not enough to know. Here we go. Rush. Rush versus... American Pinball's Hot Wheels. Rush. All day long. I hate the band. It makes me rage. I don't even know why I say this because I feel like one day I'm gonna come in here for a tournament and someone's gonna have an all Rush playlist going and I'm gonna walk out. Maybe our friend Chad Udell will make one of those. No, don't Chad. Don't do that. But even soundtrack and audio package aside, Rush is a far superior game to Hot Wheels. I'm gonna say though, Hot Wheels I think is a lot of fun. It's fine. I think it's a lot of fun. But Rush, the layout of Rush is awesome. It's the same layout as the 2012 Stern X-Men. Which I love. More or less. And I think it's like one of Borg's best layouts. It's got an upper flipper. He doesn't do that all the time. Not a lot of Borgs that have third flippers on them. So it's kind of a dynamic layout. It's a great layout. I would love to see them bring that layout back as a re-theme of something else. I mean, this one's not that old. No, 2022. But like Spooky did it with Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Looney Tunes, right? Same layout, two themes. I feel like a lot of the music pins, they could do that. Maybe they go after a smaller license, not a big, like, not Pokemon, you know, not Jaws, not like a mega license. But maybe for your music pins, because like Foo Fighters is a great layout, great dynamic, fun shooting game. Not everyone likes Foo Fighters. I'm fine with them enough to play it. You've learned to be. Maybe Metallica, you know, maybe you don't love Metallica. So maybe your music pins also get more of like, sort of like a A- or B-tier license and that's where you could do something like a Twin Peaks or Karate Kid or Cobra Kai where you don't want to go all in like this is one of your three or four cornerstone games a year. When you do a music pin, you do two. You do like a Cobra Kai in Rush because if you could get that Rush layout, but it was themed as a Cobra Kai, then we would have one. Yeah, we would. And we'd be drinking Coors Banquet as we played. Yeah. Just a thought. That's kind of a really fun idea, like to just, yeah, do a smaller, more quirky kind of theme. Yeah, because like your layout is done, right? Yeah. And you could basically keep this code almost exactly the same, but just rename the modes. Yeah.
    52:31
    Think about it. Think about it, Stern. Think about it. I'm sure MXV will have a reason why not in the comments. Somebody will tell me why not, but I still think it would be... I think it was cool that Spooky did Looney Tunes and Texas Chainsaw Massacre as the same layout.
    52:49
    Yeah, it's pretty cool. Because there's something for everyone. Yeah. Something for everyone. And the music machines I feel like are a perfect opportunity because the music pin is always going to exclude almost anyone that doesn't like that band. And even the biggest bands in the world have people that don't like them. Okay. So here is what I'm going to challenge. Okay. For our upcoming road trip, I think we should keep a log. Keeping a log. Let's keep a log of games that we've never played before and then let's come back and talk about like maybe our top five favorite new pins and they're not maybe brand new but just new to us pins that we've never played before that we discover on this trip. Most of them will be old pins new to us, yeah. Yeah. Because we've played most of the moderns. It's easier to find most of them. We haven't played Sonic. Have not played Sonic, sorry. We've been trying. Yeah, the back store guys close on Sundays. Yeah. So we haven't been able to go over there. Yeah. We could have done it yesterday, but I didn't even think about it. So this thing, this ranker, then like spits out your rankings and it's basically all the games I think that we chose, but we didn't choose Diner. We chose it over something. We didn't choose Diner Lost Sits Contest. So did Labyrinth. Okay. So did Fast Break. So then you can reorganize, looks like, your rankings after that. But I suppose if you play this long enough, because it does spit you games that you've chosen as a winner against other games, but you spent like 10 hours. I'm going to. I probably will. Okay. Well, then why don't you... Saying like yes, no, yes, no.
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    Don't know. Because it takes two seconds. So that'll be part of your homework for this week is as we're in the car when I'm driving, you can go and do your pinball ranking. Yeah, and then you can do yours when I'm driving and then we'll come back and review. What I'm hoping is it starts to put as you get through a lot, then I want it to put because it's showing like Game of Thrones is number one, big buck hunter. You're never going to undo that Jaws. Your rankings are screwed because you picked something over Jaws. But I would like it to then pop up like Big Buck Hunter versus Cyclone. What do you choose there? Yeah, it probably will. Maybe eventually it will as we keep using it. So we're going to keep using this. We'll see. And also, on the next episode, we can look at our plays from the HQ top played Stearns. Yeah.
    55:38
    I think there's going to be some surprises in there. You think? Yeah. All right. I haven't looked since. I think there's going to be some surprises.
    55:48
    I haven't looked for, I don't know, a few days, so I don't know. Yeah, let's not. Okay. And like Thursday night, we won't even be here. Is Thursday still July? It is. I think Friday is the last day of July. Okay. So cool. Thursday, we won't even be here and see what people are playing. Monday, we'll be here tomorrow. But I'm excited to see this list of our top played Sterns of the month that will come up next week. Yeah. Also, Kevin told us that we need to prepare more. That's not going to happen. We tried. It's just not how we do it on this show. We don't do a big prep. We decide something and then kind of wing it. And I can probably stop this recording. I'm recording this screen. Uh oh, where did it go? Did we leave the meeting? I don't think we're going to have the screen recording for this. I think we left the meeting. Well, you know, it's alright. We've got the main camera recording. Right. We're not going to have the screen recording, I don't think, for anybody. We'll see. We were in a Google Meet and then it just went away. It's because this... Enjoy longer group calls. Oh, it was timed. Okay. I didn't know you had to like do something special for that, Google. Next time, we'll have a real computer that works if we need to record the screen and I'll do it on a Zoom. Okay. Where we have a pro Zoom account and it will go as long as we want it to go. Okay, I love that. Has anybody else used this pin tracker? Pinball Ranker? Pinball Raker? PinnballRanker.com. And if you have, in the comments below, give us your top three games. Yeah, or is there a way to share your stuff? You can share. You can export this thing somehow. But I'm not going to click anymore on this outdated computer that Apple has decided, even though we spent a couple thousand dollars on this computer, that doesn't matter because it was too long ago. I mean, it was like 15 years ago. It's not that old. At least 10. It's not that old. Yeah, it is at least 10 years old. Let me see.
    58:06
    We got it when we still lived in Westmont. I bought this Mac. I thought I told you when you go and bought this Mac when they built it. 2015.
    58:19
    Oh. 11 years old. I said 10. You first said 15. Well. It's not 15. So you're telling me, you know what happens if I bought a pinball machine 11 years ago? They still work. I can still play them. Things will break, but they're fixable. Oh my God. It's true. I don't know. I'm just venting against the big tech. That's all. Well, let's go. We got to put this on the big tech platform. We do have the big tech platform of YouTube and a big tech platform of Apple Podcasts and a big tech platform of Spotify. Yeah, which they're going to throttle our accounts. Because we've bashed them all. I don't care.
    59:04
    What are you going to do? Nothing. 59 minutes. Perfect. Holy shit. All right. Have a great week, everybody. Yeah. Toodaloo. Bye.