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The Pinball Show Ep 51: Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·46m 48s·analyzed·Mar 8, 2021
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TL;DR

Stern Winter Curse theory, collection sales, and upcoming game speculation on The Pinball Show.

Summary

Zach Minney hosts The Pinball Show episode 51, discussing his Chicago trip to Stern and Jersey Jack, delivering industry awards, and covering industry updates including code releases for Willy Wonka, Guns N' Roses, Avengers, and investigations into a possible "Stern Winter Curse" for Q4 releases. He shares personal collection moves (selling Elvira's House of Horrors LE for $15k and Whirlwind for $16k) and speculates on upcoming Stern releases (Godzilla, James Bond, or Back to the Future predicted for March announcement).

Key Claims

  • Willy Wonka Code Update 1.34 added Wi-Fi/hardwired networking, Scorebit integration, player menu, and Bluetooth headphone support

    high confidence · Ken Rudberg Jersey Jack update segment

  • Guns N' Roses collector's edition will include a drumstick signed by Duff McKagan

    high confidence · Ken Rudberg Jersey Jack update, citing Eric Menier Facebook post

  • Avengers Infinity Quest code has reached version 1.0 with major polishing updates including Captain Marvel binary hurry-up

    high confidence · Craig Bobby and Brian Cosner Stern updates

  • Stern Winter Curse pattern: Q4 releases (November-February) historically underperform compared to other seasons

    medium confidence · Analysis by host Zach and reference to Loser Kid Pinball podcast discussion; pattern traced back to 2007

  • Elvira's House of Horrors LE with mods sold for $15,000; Whirlwind museum-quality restoration sold for $16,000

    high confidence · Host personal transaction disclosure

  • Rumors for next Stern Cornerstone release (March announcement predicted): Godzilla (Keith Elwin), James Bond, or Back to the Future

    low confidence · Craig Bobby speculation based on social media teases and online rumors

  • American Pinball programmer Joe Schober is actively coding for next API game; title modified from original concept

    medium confidence · Kaz American Pinball update and host discussion mentioning rumblings about title modification

  • Toy Story pinball machine from Jersey Jack rumored, potentially releasing in 2021

    low confidence · Host speculation: 'If the rumor of a Toy Story pinball machine from JJP is true...I think we're all going to be flipping around on it in 2021'

Notable Quotes

  • “You try to say no to $15,000. Not today.”

    Zach Minney @ ~1:17:00 — Justifying the sale of Elvira's House of Horrors LE despite emotional attachment; reflects secondary market pricing pressures

  • “This may have set the new world record of purchase price for a Whirlwind. And I don't even think he got a bad deal.”

    Zach Minney @ ~1:18:00 — Record vintage machine pricing; indicates strong collector market for restored classics

  • “I can guarantee you that I could design a pinball machine at least three times better than Pony Factory. Hashtag fact.”

    Zach Minney @ ~1:08:00 — Strong critical take on Pinball Adventures' inaugural title; reflects community skepticism about new manufacturers

  • “Do we hear back to the future? We hear, you know, I don't know. But yeah, if I had to guess, I'd say I'm actually going to go Borg and Dwight tag team here at the end of March.”

    Craig Bobby (Pinball Show contributor) @ ~52:00 — Speculation on next Stern Cornerstone designer pairing; suggests John Borg and Dwight Sullivan potential collaboration

  • “Avengers isn't the newest game released from Stern Pinball. That's Led Zeppelin. But they're still celebrating this title by having an upcoming Marvel Avengers Infinity Quest Stern Heads Up Pinball Invitational.”

    Brian Cosner @ ~46:00 — Noting Stern's continued support for Avengers despite Led Zeppelin being newer release; indicates investment in established titles

  • “If you're driving, don't be an idiot. But he's adding ramp locations to the left of the dreaded scoop on TNA and to the right of the drop targets, the Denise lock on TNA.”

    Zach Minney @ ~1:01:00 — Discussing TNA homebrewing/modification project; reflects community engagement with game customization

  • “Cassidy is a mere 14 years old. Holy bejesus.”

    Zach Minney @ ~1:06:00 — Highlighting young competitive talent winning Ladies Flip Wisconsin tournament

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyAmerican PinballcompanyPinball AdventurescompanyZach MinneypersonKeith ElwinpersonJohn Borgperson

Signals

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    community_signal: Ladies Flip Wisconsin tournament held at District 82; 14-year-old Cassidy Milonowski won; streaming via Fox Cities Pinball Twitch channel as part of Pinball Network

    high · Host coverage of tournament results and streaming partnership acknowledgment

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Host provides detailed criticism of TNA ramp modification proposal, suggesting alternative design approach (drop ramp flap during super spinners, vertical right ramp) reflecting deeper engagement with game mechanics and playfield ergonomics

    medium · Extended discussion proposing horseshoe loop alternatives; suggests super spinner safe shot progression similar to Ghostbusters looping mechanics

  • ?

    event_signal: Avengers Infinity Quest Stern Heads Up Pinball Invitational scheduled March 12, 6pm Central; will stream on Marvel Twitch, Stern Facebook, and YouTube; hosted by Jack Danger, Tim Sexton, Emoto Arcade

    high · Craig Bobby official announcement with specific date, time, platform, and host details

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Pinball Adventures' Pony Factory uses Don Knotts soundalike voice acting; potential IP rights concerns raised regarding use of Knotts imagery and likeness in promotional materials

    medium · Host: 'I just hope they have the rights to use mr knots likeness and brand because one of the videos used to advertise this whole damn thing um it shows pictures videos sounds from don knots ever like everywhere'

  • $

    market_signal: Vintage machine pricing reaching record levels; Whirlwind restoration achieving $16k price point described as potentially setting new world record

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:11
The Pinball Network is online. Launching, The Pinball Show. This week on The Pinball Show, we discuss my recent trip to Chi-Town, updates to the Kentucky Gun Show, New code for AIQGNRWW. More Elvira toppers. The Stern Winter Curse.
0:35
Upcoming game release predictions. TNA is getting some ramps. Ladies flipping out in Wisconsin. Honey promo. Super strong takes. Mixing up the collection as I chase those dollars. Seagulls? Coral? Pinball market trends? Deals of the WTF? Goats? And Adam Levine? All of this and more on The Pinball Show, starting now. pinball is a game of skill for some it's a passion and a lifestyle it's time for the pinball show it's pinball with personality so I walk along the longest green green.
1:19
Here I go again on my own. Episode 51. Welcome back to the Pinball Show. I'm your host Zach Minion. I'm flying solo today, as you can hear from the song by White Snake. We do have some exciting co-hosts coming up very soon, but today I drive alone. Speaking of driving, this last week I took a trip up to Chicago, or Chicago, to visit with many of my friends. Stopped by Stern Pinball to deliver the Pinball Industry Award crystals. They were very appreciative. Got to see my buddy Roper up there. Shout out. Also went over to Jersey Jack Pinball just a street over. Always fun seeing the gang over at JJP. A little Keith Johnson action. A little Ken Cromwell action. even got to hang out with the owners of JJP, Leonard and Brett. So that was a lot of fun. Some of the stories that Leonard told were a lot of fun, and I look forward to hanging out with those guys again soon. But they were loving their crystals, and they were talking about building or setting up a nice display for all of the awards that they've received, including the crystals. And boy, do they light up well. Also wanted to provide an update to last week's show, as I had anticipated. I received plenty of messages and emails, all warm and fuzzy, about my discussion of the Kentucky Gun Show. Pew pew! And to reiterate, I have nothing against a gun, but when you're waving them around in an irresponsible manner, I take a little issue and fear to that. But it was nice to receive several invites about going out to the gun range and having a showdown of my own. Speaking of guns, my poor wife, I spoke with you guys last week about being at the Kentucky Gun Show and being terrified and my wife not knowing what in the hell was going on. She is at Louisville again this weekend for a cheer competition. Yay, cheer, let me tell you. But she, ironically, she messaged me last night saying, oh, the Kentucky Gun Show is one thing, but now we're downtown and there is a protest occurring right next to the cheer competition. She said that there were individuals out on the streets and there was some conflict between two groups of people and she said not that much fun. She said that she'd seen, which is so terrifying, a couple people with assault rifles just on the street protesting.
Dwight Sullivanperson
Brian Eddyperson
Eric Menierperson
Joe Schoberperson
Rachel (Ladies Flip Wisconsin organizer)person
Cassidy Milonowskiperson
Logan Pinball (Pinside user)person
Scott Deniseperson
Tom Graffperson
Joel Engelberthperson
Travis Mearyperson
Emoto Arcadeperson

high · Host: 'This may have set the new world record of purchase price for a Whirlwind. And I don't even think he got a bad deal.'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Speculation on Stern designer pairings: John Borg and Dwight Sullivan predicted to collaborate on spring Cornerstone; Brian Eddy with Tom Capera on summer release

    low · Craig Bobby speculation based on production timeline observations; no official confirmation

  • ?

    product_strategy: American Pinball's next game after Hot Wheels title modified from original concept; late spring/early summer release predicted, extended timeline from nearly one year since announcement

    medium · Kaz: 'Joe Schober...is hard at work on code for the next game...the title was modified a bit'; Host: 'Almost a year from Hot Wheels release...thinking late spring, early summer'

  • ?

    product_concern: Pinball Adventures' inaugural Pony Factory criticized as lower quality than other new releases; promotional videos described as worse than the actual game; minimal YouTube engagement (79-164 views) raises viability concerns

    high · Host: 'The promo videos look worse than the game and that is a big task god bless them man...79 views and 164 views...I could get more views filming Greg Bone eating cereal'

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    rumor_hype: Multiple competing rumors for next Stern Cornerstone release: Godzilla (Keith Elwin designer), James Bond, or Back to the Future; speculated March announcement with June-July shipping

    low · Craig Bobby: 'The most persistent rumors online are looking for a Keith Elwin Godzilla, while others are saying James Bond, and yet still others are saying hello to Michael J. Fox and Back to the Future'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community recognition of secondary market strength driving collection sales; host frames significant revenue ($15k, $16k) as undeniable despite emotional attachment to machines

    high · Host selling Elvira LE for $15k and Whirlwind for $16k; states 'You try to say no to $15,000. Not today.'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Jersey Jack implementing Scorebit integration across catalog (Willy Wonka 1.34 update); enables cloud-based leaderboards, machine tracking via app, and real-time data collection

    high · Ken Rudberg: 'Scorebit integration was also added...collects and sends real-time data and scores to the cloud, allowing for things like online leaderboards and machine tracking through an app'

    • 3:48
    Protests are fine, great, but there was some yelling at the poor people. The poor cheer girls from the protest.
    3:57
    Oh. So they were directed by police not to walk in that general vicinity. And yay, Kentucky. What fun. We're going to be talking about a lot of stuff this week. Not a news-heavy week, but there's some fun tidbits in there. And speaking of weapons, we here at the Pinball Show have a crew of Top Guns ourselves in the TPS Correspondent. Let's kick it over to them. It's time for TPN Industry News.
    4:27
    Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. Well, it looks like it's new code time for Willy Wonka and Guns N' Roses. Jersey Jack recently released Willy Wonka Code Update 1.34. It contains lots of adjustments to the game code for things like random awards, lamp and strobe effects, and it also added Wi-Fi and hardwired networking capabilities. You'll need a Wi-Fi dongle or hardwire to support that. Scorebit integration was also added. If you're not familiar, Scorebit collects and sends real-time data and scores to the cloud, allowing for things like online leaderboards and machine tracking through an app. Another nice feature is the addition of a player menu. You just hold in the right flipper during a tracked mode, and it allows you to connect Bluetooth headphones when a dongle is attached, and the update also includes the usual bug fixes. Guns N' Roses version 1.16 is a much smaller update with just some minor bug fixes and enhancements. Jersey Jack recently posted on its Facebook page a picture of Eric Menier holding up a note. It explains that a soon-to-be-delivered collector's edition of the Guns N' Roses machine will contain an extra surprise. The drumstick included as part of the ramp in the game Will be signed by the band member from my hometown of Seattle Duff McKagan Good luck to everyone who is anxiously waiting for their collector's edition to arrive For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg Matt Morrison here with your Chicago Gaming Company update for the week No news directly from the company But if you haven't checked out my interview with Tom Capera It's chock full of Cactus Canyon goodness and other things Also be on the lookout for an exclusive art piece never before seen from the Cactus Canyon days from Adam Ryan, who did all the Dot Matrix work. And be on the lookout for another interview in the not-so-distant future. Alright, that should do it this week. Back to you guys.
    6:26
    Hello and welcome to the Pinball Show's Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. Marvel and Stern Pinball assemble for the Avengers Infinity Quest Stern Heads Up Pinball Invitational. This action-packed competition will take place solely on the new Avengers Infinity Quest pinball machines as players race against the clock and each other in objective-based challenges with the ultimate winner bringing home a brand new Avengers Infinity Quest pinball machine. Wow! This adrenaline-inducing event will be streamed live across Marvel's official Twitch channel, Stern Pinball's Facebook page, and YouTube channel on Friday, March the 12th at 6pm Central. Jack Danger, Tim Sexton, and well-known personality Emoto Arcade will host, commentate, and interact with eight lucky players as they battle their way through a single elimination bracket until there's only one left standing as the ultimate Stern heads-up pinball invitational champion. That is a mouthful. Good news for Guardians of the Galaxy fans this week as the popular Groot Shooter knob is now back in stock at Stern. And a day I've been waiting for since September of 2020, Avengers Code hit 1.0 with a major code update this week, putting many final polishing pieces to this already incredible game. And lastly, after what seems like an eternity since the Led Zeppelin release, something tells me big news is coming from Stern in the month of March with their next Cornerstone title. The most persistent rumors online are looking for a Keith Elwin Godzilla, while others are saying James Bond, and yet still others are saying hello to Michael J. Fox and Back to the Future. But we shall wait and see. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side.
    8:24
    Hey, this is Kaz with an American Pinball update. I reached out to programmer Joe Schober for an update on software. He is hard at work on code for the next game. They've been very busy, especially with all the new hiring at American Pinball. I also asked him about Alien Pinball. He said he is not working on anything for the Pinball Brothers remake, but he's glad the title is being made again so that more people can enjoy the game. You can also check out American Pinball's Facebook page. They've got some new shared videos from the Electric Bat Arcade and the Hurry Up Challenge as they both streamed Hot Wheels. I'll also try to get on with Craig Bobby on the midweek show. this upcoming week for some more American pinball information. So check that out. I hope everybody has a great week. Hope you have fun playing pinball. For the Pinball Show, this is Brian Cosner.
    9:13
    Always great hearing from our sexy Mavericks over there. Let's talk some Stern Pinball. Now, Stern Pinball just released the Avengers version 1.0 code. Hot damn, we're at complete game. And in this code update, we did receive a Captain Marvel binary hurry-up. I haven't been able to play this code yet, but people are saying that that is a fun little moment. As well as an update on adding a disc RPM display effect to measure or show the speed of the spins of that Doctor Strange disc. Very nicely done. Overall, a big update. Tons of polish in this new code update. So if you have the Avengers Infinity Quest, go ahead and update that now. You can figure it out. I still struggle. And sure, Avengers isn't the newest game released from Stern Pinball. That's Led Zeppelin. But they're still celebrating this title by having an upcoming Marvel Avengers Infinity Quest Stern Heads Up Pinball Invitational. What is the acronym for that?
    10:13
    Maxwup? Mockshup? Mockshuppie? Mark your calendars March 12th at 6 p.m. Central Standard Time. Very likely in the similar format as we've seen last year from the Stern Heads Up Pinball Invitational. This year we've got eight contenders. Let's see if I can do this some justice.
    10:43
    Introducing your starting lineup for the Stir Pinball Heads Up Invitational. Your starting forward, Young Bum, Zach Park.
    11:09
    The starting guards for the Stern Heads Up Pinball Invitational, all three hot nudgers, Anna Neal, Rebecca Hensdale, and Jane Beard. Sorry, Jane.
    11:27
    The tried and true, your starting center, Jason Wardwick! Your starting center falls to the wall Landing Bagwell Next your other starting guard third very own Nick Wayna
    11:52
    And the coach of the Stern Heads Up Pinball Invitational, the belle of the ball herself, Rachel Carlin! Not too shabby.
    12:08
    That's what I want to see and hear on some of these competitions going forward. Best of luck to all the competitors, and I'll be watching. It's going to be difficult to top that, but I can with some toppers. You see what I did there? There were some additional Elvira House of Horse toppers that left Stern's factory this last week and should be in your homes very, very soon. We at Flippin' Out Pinball, I do not believe, have any more available.
    12:35
    Sold, sold, sold. I can't get enough of anything. I don't know if you guys listened to the Loser Kid Pinball podcast, their most recent episode. They dabbled upon something this last week, and they discussed it on their podcast, something that they're calling the Stern Winter Curse. host josh rupe has noticed that there is a pattern emerging possibly potentially at stern pinball that their winter releases sometimes are not the biggest sellers or or do not receive the biggest buzz is there any truth to that they went through them but we'll go through them as well in detail here let's look at i'm considering these like a q4 release that is i don't know anywhere from november to february the cold parts of america the most recent release in december 2020 was led zeppelin and from my standpoint that has been selling pretty well but then again not as well as avengers or turtles maybe maybe some truth there december 2019 a year before stranger things again that initially sold really well but they're not making any more this year so maybe maybe that says sales weren't the greatest they are trending up though just wait and see hashtag fact then the year prior to that january 2019 we received the monsters again out of the gate sold pretty well code kind of held it back a bit for a lot of hobbyists and players no longer selling that I know. I think they have another run of premiums at some point. Then we go on the way back a year prior to that. 2018 November, December you get Primus. Okay, that was going to be small. November 2018 also the Beatles. Hmm, I don't know if I'd consider that a flop. Great game. But sales? They held on to a lot of Beatles for a while. Sold out now. January 2017 Aerosmith. Okay. Pretty game. October 2017, Guardians of the Galaxy. Code was a little flat upon release of that. Layout, very similar to other board games. January 2015, WWE. Oh shit, they might be on to something. December 2013, Mustang. End of November 2012, Avengers. February 2011, Rolling Stones. February 2009, 24. Jack Bauer. Oh shit, they're geniuses. February 2007, Family Guy. Is this the start? A lot of people love Family Guy. Shout out to Ray Day. I'm going to say that still falls in this pattern. Sorry for all of you FG lovers. October 2007, Wheel of Dysfunction. Wheel of Fortune. February 2006, World Poker Tour. Now that's considered a good game, I think. so maybe it started in 2007 that's 13 years huh now do i think there is something to this winter curse from a stern standpoint no to me some of these titles are good if not great stranger things led zeppelin the beatles guardians and aerosmith question mark but there does certainly seem to be a pattern though um i won't neglect that but i don't maybe it's just the stern winter coding curse that was the winter sound effect followed by the tapping of keys indicating coding because those titles that i just listed they were released on some pretty early code that i don't know certainly had people waiting for those games to mature into the machines that we love today or isn't it possible that this pattern is just a collective psychological principle that is people just getting hit with holiday purchases especially after a q4 holiday push from other manufacturers they were trying to get their machines out as well probably november december to hit on those holiday sales maybe it's a fatigue effect or maybe it's just nothing quite possible that it's just two utah podcasters being cooped up way too long over the winter but as we are heading into the spring the pinball world is gearing up for the next stern release and from the faux social media teases, this upcoming title has been a damn mystery to all. Are we going to see another Elwynn already? Maybe my buddy Dwight is on deck for code with Borg again. Or could it be the redemption of Brian Eddy? My guess is that we get an announcement at the end of March and shipping prose at the 1st of April. Merely a guess. I have no clue what the theme is, though. Zero clue. We keep hearing Godzilla. We hear a little James Bond. Do we hear back to the future? We hear, you know, I don't know. But yeah, if I had to guess, I'd say I'm actually going to go Borg and Dwight tag team here at the end of March. Because I mean, think about it. They had Turtles ready to go at the same time last year. But because of the pandemic, they pushed it back, releasing that game with 1.0 code. Thus, Dwight has been working, I bet, a lot on the newest game, which makes him ready or close enough. Dwight's never fully. He's like liming. He keeps going. Except for Munsters, Dwight. Everybody wants a Munsters code update. Here's the kicker, guys. If they're not going to produce Munsters anymore, why in the hell would they spend their time and resources on an update? To make the Munsters owners happy, you ask? I get it. Okay. Yeah, so I'm guessing Borg and Dwight. I have zero facts to back that up or even any insight. Then I think we get followed up in the summer with a Brian Eddy. Huh? I think that because you got Brian Eddy and then Tom Cobra was on the Pinball Show interviews last week and he talked about seeing some of his mechanical engineering in the summer. So I think him partnering up with the Brian Eddy would be something I'm super excited about. And I hope that is true. Mere speculation and guessing, but that would be cool. I think we're going to get that in June, July. Then nothing says a fall release like an Elwynn title blasting into the Q4 holiday sales season. Who's got what? I don't know. When will we see him? No clue. Jersey Jack Pinball making some headlines this week with some code updates. Wonka version 1.134 adding some general polish as well as Wi-Fi connection capabilities. Need that dongle though for that. And we got some score bit integration and Bluetooth support. Very cool. One of my favorite Jersey Jack games, if not my favorite. GNR got a code update version 1.16 adding more polish and a new power cord multiplier. As if the risk and reward wasn't big enough on that game, you're going to get more of it. Enjoy. I was chatting with Eric Menyer last week, and I just wanted to bring this up because like a kid in a candy shop, that man is just loving the way his third game is shooting. Hmm. But we've got some time to see and play that. If the rumor of a Toy Story pinball machine from JJP is true, when are we going to see it? And I love money too much to gamble it away, But if I were a betting man, I think we're all going to be flipping around on it in 2021. Wow. Let's jump over to American Pinball. I do want to update everyone. We were pondering last week, Dennis and I, about Joe Schober. Where in the hell is Joe Schober at? Joe Schober did reach out. He is still alive and well and coding at API. Fucking botched that one, Zach. And we are hoping to have Joe Schober on a TPS show very soon to see what he is working on. But we also are hoping to see some more show or code on the upcoming API game. When are we going to see that? We're almost a year from Hot Wheels release and announcement. I'm going to give them a little extra time. So I'm thinking late spring, early summer, maybe midsummer, due to some of the rumblings that the title was modified a bit. I think that's already been discussed, right? If not, there's your nugget. Spooky Pinball, nothing really news-wise, but did you see the guy that's adding ramps to his TNA? Scott Denise collects the tears of pinball players, but he's shedding his own tears hearing this news. Logan Pinball on Pinside is adding ramps to his TNA. Good idea? Bad idea? So close your eyes and picture the layout of TNA. If you're driving, don't be an idiot. But he's adding ramp locations to the left of the dreaded scoop on TNA and to the right of the drop targets, the Denise lock on TNA. So two ramps there. Now, what he is doing right now is manufacturing just a horseshoe loop, which in my little homebrew doodles designing, I like the idea of a ramp that is ultimately a horseshoe where an entrance can also be the exit. And it's a loop of sorts. Now, for this, I'm not wild about that idea. I don't know what it adds, really. The entrances that he has chosen, they're the standup targets of the destroy reactor kind of thing. so you've got two stand up targets there that's what he's using so he's going to have to integrate those switches somewhere upon the ramp, that's simple enough but if it were me adding ramps to TNA I would have altered the so follow me here I think this is a good idea and Logan Pinball, if you're listening here's what I would have done just because everybody loves to be told what to do I would have taken that left control gate top got your big loop there left control gate, hear me out I would have this also serve as a drop ramp flap. I think there's a lot of drop ramp flaps, like Deadpool Premium. Back in the shooter lane, they got that drop ramp flap. I would add one there that is activated during super spinners. So super spinners comes on, and that left orbit now turns into a left orbit to right ramp kind of thing. So you run that ramp safely back to the right flipper. Then you can have a repeatable super spinner setup, a la looping supers on Ghostbusters. I think that would be a ton of fun cranking the freak out of that left spinner during super spinners is so fun But imagine being able to safely repeat it repeat it boom boom boom then for the right ramp just to make it easy You could go super vertical Right up to the back board and then have a stand-up target there Top of the ramp so that would fix your switch issue right there You can put the destroy switch right at the top of that ramp boom then it could drop down to the feet of that existing wire form that you created for that left ramp. Picture this like you know how the control gate is on Spider Venom Shot It goes up hits that stand target and then comes back down the ramp Picture that for Transformers I think that it would be a nice shot to destroy a reactor then Really vertical ramp and kind of like a Rick and Morty. Got to get it up there. I think this is a fun project. If he keeps it as a horseshoe, eh, not as interesting. But I kind of like the idea of going back and homebrewing or modifying single-level games to add a ramp or two. It's kind of cool. I'll be following along that thread on Pennside to see how this all comes out. I don't think Scott likes the idea, though. Denise is one of the chillest, coolest guys ever. But if you want to see his eye twinge a little bit, mention putting Penn Stadiums on your TNA.
    24:05
    You love that, don't you, Denise? Damn, we had a great tournament this last week. For those of you in competitive pinball, Ladies Flip Wisconsin occurred at District 82 this last week. Special thanks and shout out to Tom Graff at Fox Cities Pinball for hosting the streaming event. And to Rachel Lilj of coordinating all of it. Fox Cities Pinball, go follow, subscribe, like, twitch.tv slash Fox Cities Pinball. They are part of TPN, so it is wonderful seeing these tournaments happening on a Pinball Network channel. Nice job, team. Taking home the gold of Ladies Flip Wisconsin was Cassidy Milonowski. And did you know this? Cassidy is a mere 14 years old. Holy bejesus. Nicely done, kiddo. Followed by Tara Hingham, taking home the silver, and Chicago's hot nudge Jane Ver... Oh, no, not again, Jane. Verwis. Verwis. Verius.
    25:03
    Shit. Taking home the third place trophy. Congratulations to all of the participants and to the crew that made it all happen. Nicely done. This next story is more of a reaction piece. I'm going to call it, What the Fuck is Pinball Adventures Doing? For those of you not aware, Pinball Adventures is a company that is starting up manufacturing of pinball machines with their inaugural title, Pony Factory. They've released some YouTube videos, as of the last week or so, showcasing the engineering and rules of their upcoming game, Pony Factory. oh okay um so one of the videos i watched they're really going all in on a don knots sound alike so they're going to be providing your call outs i don't know what the factory worker's name is i've already forgotten but don knots recognizable voice about as relevant as the punny factory pinball machine i just hope they have the rights to use mr knots likeness and brand because one of the videos used to advertise this whole damn thing um it shows pictures videos sounds from don knots ever like everywhere the videos you all the the promo videos look worse than the game and that is a big task god bless them man the last couple videos that they've produced have reached a Staggering. 79 views and 164 views. I could get more views filming Greg Bone eating cereal. Hopefully those views will go up just by me mentioning this so that you guys can go see the advancements over there at the Pinball Adventures Factory? I was thinking about this. My wife says I blow money. I spend too much money. I'm a giver. But this company makes me look as frugal as Greg Bone. eating cereal. You know Greg Bone eats that cheap ass cereal. That knockoff shit too. He ain't eating unlucky charms. More like fortunate trinkets.
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    Frosted flakes. Nope. Nope. Greg Bone's eating coated fakes. Raisin bran? Nope. He's more of a prune bland. I could do this all day. Captain Crunch? One of my favorites. With crunch berries nope not for bony more like commander munch honey nut cheerios no no he's eating oat circles that smell like cat piss that one doesn't come off the tongue as well double meaning there now look pinball avengers may argue that making pinballs harder i could see them saying i'd like to see you do better well guys this this is a bit of a strong take here but i can guarantee you that I could design a pinball machine at least three times better than Pony Factory. Hashtag fact. The sequel. Especially if I can just willy-nilly use some intellectual properties without retaining or gaining the rights to them. You heard it. Put it on the board. My personal pinball collection has been shooken up this last week. Let's call this segment Moving Out, Moving In. Believe it or not, listener, Elvira's House of Horrors LE is now gone from my collection. I know. I'd love that game too, but just like my Jurassic Park LE, just like a couple other games that I've had, and then I'd say I'd never get rid of, but like Chris Tucker, Money Talks. Was that a 90s film reference? Yeah, Elvira's House of Horrors Left. There was a guy in town with a big-ass U-Haul truck just picking up all of our Midwest-slash-Southern pinball machines. Nice guy out of Florida. Picked a lot of stuff up from me and my buddy, So he took Elvira's house of horrors and must be trending up because you guys want to know what he paid for this thing? You would have sold it too. So stock, uh, Ellie's go for 12 K now. Nuts. The market is nuts. Mine had a color matched coin door. The topper, that's a thousand bucks. Penn stadiums, mods. It was loaded.
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    $15,000. You try to say no to $15,000. Not today. And this is the one that I shed a tear on. The game that I thought I'd die with. It's very personal to me. And it was the nicest version of that title in the entire world. Guaranteed. Pains me to say this, listener, but Whirlwind has left the collection. My Whirlwind. Museum quality. Everything was new. Custom recessed hardware. Radcows. routed in intercab to facilitate Penn Stadium's new ramps, new plastics, new playfield, new mirrored bag glass, topper. It's gone. This may have set the new world record of purchase price for a Whirlwind. And I don't even think he got a bad deal. Fully restored. What do you guys think the nicest version of a Whirlwind could bring? Full chrome, including Coindor. That's 2K and chrome alone Can't believe I sold it Ladies and gentlemen $16,000 You hate the goat but you love him here Because it's appropriate $16,000 for a whirlwind It's damn near the price of two New Guns N' Roses LEs When they first came out Now I think it's crazy but If you had the money and you wanted the nicest Of something, why not Why not That was a kick in the nuts though A kick in the groin Would you have sold it? Email us at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com My Led Zeppelin LE Has also left my collection But this one's still safe It went to Studio B To stream this month on the Flippin' Out Pinball streaming channel Twitch.tv slash Flippin' Out Pinball So BD and the gang are going to be streaming A lot of the Led Zeppelin LE It's going to be a beautiful thing And speaking of Led Zeppelin, happy birthday to Joel Engelberth. I delivered him a brand new Led Zeppelin Pro. Dropped it off on his birthday. Don't worry, I gave him a birthday spanking. He's a bad boy. Now, Joel didn't buy that game. Sure as hell wasn't a birthday gift. I like the guy, but I don't like him that much. Now, I thought it'd be fun to announce right here that the Flippin' Out Pinball Streaming Family is getting a little bit bigger. Joel Engelberth is going to be streaming for Flippin' Out Pinball. I think every other week at this point. No worries. To his followers, he's still going to be streaming on just another pinball stream, but he's adding to his schedule and making room for a little Flippin' Out action. Thanks, Joel. So follow Flippin' Out Pinball on social media and Facebook and all of that to be updated with his stream times. So with all of these machines leaving, what in the hell is coming in? Well, my buddy Travis Meary, a pinball podcast, Marveloco, he is bringing me today his Iron Maiden LE.
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    So up the iron, bitches. Maiden is coming home, going into my stern lineup. Hopefully it makes me a little bit more badass. That'll leave me with one stern hole. Stern hole. I'm thinking either Led Zeppelin will come back from Beanie Man's house or the new Stern LE will go in its place because the other ones aren't leaving. Turtles, you're not touching it. Star Wars comic premium? Mm-mm, ain't going nowhere. Stranger Things LE? I'll fight you. And Jurassic Park premium? It's not budging. I almost have the perfect modern Stern LCD lineup. What am I missing? Email us at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com. It's times like these I always ask myself, what would Din Din do? he would probably say you're a fucking tool and no one cares zach touche din din touche ladies and gentlemen the market is on fire as you all know so not only is this the most popular pinball podcast segment in all of history but right now it's the most appropriate too it's a little thing we at the pinball show like to call now here's i need you all's help here i want everybody listening. There's like a bajillion of you guys. Actually, numbers are really high right now. So a couple thousand of you, I want you guys to say it loud, to say it proud with me. Let's do a countdown for a pinball market trends call out collectively. If we do this all at the same time, this industry will climax. Are you ready? Hold on, Gary Stern. In three, two, one, we're going to say pinball market trends. We're going to scream it wherever you're at. Record it. Send it to the pinballnetwork at gmail.com in 3, 2, 1. Pinball Market Trends! There's that music. How did that feel, everybody? Damn, that felt good. I want to hear you all's pinball market trends. I'll make a deal. If you guys can send me 25 pinball market trends call-outs, I'll compile them together, and I will try to talk Nicole into letting me play them during our next fornication session.
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    Oh, why has she not divorced me yet? Training up this week is Stern's Star Wars comic versions. I hate Brenda, and a bad guy hit me in the shin, and I peed all over my pants. Want to know why? Because I don't know if they're going to make them again. People are hitting me up like crackheads for this comic version.
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    Rockin', rockin' and rollin'. That's right. Down to the beach I'm strutting. Watch out for them seagulls, y'all. Man such a beautiful artwork by Randy Martinez Some people are asking for these comic versions used more than the new Did that make sense That was a bruise
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    $1,000 more than new unboxed prices on a used comic book version of Star Wars. Where y'all been? Also trending out this week is J.J.P.'s Pirates of the Caribbean C.E.R. edition. There's one up inside right now. Your guy was asking $30,000. That price makes my whirlwind price look like a honey factory. $30,000 in this pending sale? There is a flood of POTCs on the market right now. And look, you better sell those son of a bitches now because when, I mean if, they do another run, those prices are dropping as fast as panties to the floor at an Adam Levine concert. Here's to the ones that we got. That's right. Is that just my paintings that drop at an Adam Levine concert?
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    We're generous this week, so training up is Fox City's Pinball Streaming Channel with Tom Graff and Rachel Lilj. Is the G a J or a G? Tom and Rachel nicely, nicely done in the crew over at Fox City's Pinball District 82. Well-deserved market trains there. But we can't be all puppy dogs and rainbows at our assholes here on the pinball market trends. Turning down this week is Stern Pinball's Star Trek Pro Premium. LE, well not LE so much. Pros and premiums. Star Trek Pros can be had in nice condition, mid-fours now. Premiums, low sixes. It's not going up with the rest of the gang. LEs are still holding up for seven, so not much of a downturn there. But the pros and premiums, coming down. as is Judge Dredd. A lot on the marketplace right now. People are trying to get rid of their wide-body Judge Dredds. Such a cool game. Such a mediocre code nowadays. Didn't age well, that code. You can find a Judge Dredd in the upper twos or lower threes, and that's a nice one. Holding steady this week is The Walking Dead.
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    Coral. It's about time, too. The Walking Dead is one of the greatest pinball machines ever made. hashtag return of the fact i want a walking dead back a pro that's the best version i know you miss the walker bombs but it just it shoots so well now we seem comparatively speaking with all of the other similarly aged sterns dmds or even lcds like the walking dead was always down i don't know if they just made a lot i don't know what it is pros were always cheap premiums are always cheap. LEs, always cheap. Now, it has been able to hold steady a bit. You see even the trickling up a bit. Do things trickle up? So you're not going to find much of a steal on a really nice Walking Dead as you would six months ago. That's why we're holding it steady. Oh, does anybody out there love those Walking Dead memes as much as I do? I freaking love those things. Like, you get the visual. Again, close your eyes if you're flying a plane. Don't be stupid. Right after Rick Grimes' wife dies, spoiler alert sorry but right after she dies pregnant oh you get the shot of carl grimes the kid with a sheriff's hat on looking down sobbing and then you get to the right of him rick grimes just sobbing inconsolably and there's memes of back and forth communication you got to check them out they never get old they're so 2018 but they never get old which is why i'm going to reenact one right now for you.
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    Coral! I once swallowed two pieces of string and an hour later they came out of my ass tied together. Please, Dad. I shit you not.
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    Shit you not, Coral! That's great. Shit you not, Coral. Let's give you a couple deals of the week! Bye, bye, bye! Deals of the week this week on Pinside here. Ooh, I like this one. This listing comes off of Pinside by Jandrian95 outside of Independence, Kentucky. A friend of mine. He's selling a Guns N' Roses Standard Edition. Game works, plays perfectly. Does have some of the... I love this. I love the sense of humor here. Some of those, quote, JJP patented chips around the upper post in the Pops area.
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    Nicely done. But, if you're like me, you barely see the damn thing. Sure, it's an issue, but that light show, forget about it. Looking for a trade, probably would sell it, but $67.50, that was a prior pricing. So trying to find one now is going to be difficult. We've sold out of them, all the standards at Flippin' Out Pinball. A lot of dealers around the country have already sold out of all of the standards, not making any more. That's it, done. So $67.50 just feels like a steal nowadays for the prices that some of these pins, much less the JJPs, are going for. So bye-bye-bye. Bye-bye-bye! hey coral you know how many tickles it takes to tackle an octopus dad please stop 10 tickles coral and it wouldn't be a market trends without your deals of the what the have they called yet What the hell is this? Deals at the WTF this week is a Batman Forever on Pennside. Maybe a nice fella. Maybe a shithead. I don't know. Not sure I've ever met him. But they go by Radio Moz out of Newburgh, New York. Selling a Batman Forever on Pennside. Awesome game. Ready to go to a Mew home. Has no issues. All new rubbers. An LED kit. Bye bye bye question mark? Nope. Take a look at it. A little closer. Looks like a decent one. nothing fancy nothing special i see the lining around the insert modes so players condition up re-import got three coin slots so uh 41 50 sell sell sell no no no no no no no no i'm hoping he typoed that son of a bitch and just kind of slipped slipped that finger from the three to the four made it 41 50 oboe it better be or best offer and if you're saying it's ready to go to a new home, get out that socket, and unbolt the bitch to the floor. Because it ain't leaving for $41.50. You want an ore best offer? $2,800. Sell, sell, sell! Do not buy, buy, buy that for more than $32. Speaking of Batman, we'll make this a WTF Batman edition. Check out this steel. Outside of Toronto, Canada.
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    Canadians are supposed to be nice. This is mean. Filled by the name of Fibian79 on Pennside, selling trying to sell. A Batman the Dark Knight by Stern Pinball. And the Translight is signed by Gary Stern himself! Exclamation point. And it comes with the tournament play board on top! And by board, it means a piece of fucking cardboard! And that's fine. Okay. Zach, why are you ripping on this guy? He's got the topper play. What's wrong with that? Well, did you know that he has extra stickers and parts on the coin box? Keys? And an extremely limited edition, as if limited edition wasn't enough as if super limited edition wasn't enough ladies and gentlemen this is an extremely limited edition framed drawing of batman characters drawn by robbie reeves it's only two in existence now does he show said picture no he doesn't and there is a small one inch chip out of the old block of the left side art head but in the pictures is the right side head but it came out of the box that way. Oh, man. Where is your distributor at? He bought it new in the box, home use only. This is Canadian dollars, but $10,650. Sell, sell, sell. Fuck me. No. He's been hanging out with Ori too long.
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    That was your pinball market trends. Beat you guys to it. Let's grab some Mylar and wrap it up here. Thanks for hanging out for episode 51 of the Pinball Show. You can reach us at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com. We'd love some correspondence there. Still looking for our Deep Root correspondent. Auditions are being held, taking place. If you have some interest, email us. You can follow us on Twitch, follow us on Facebook, Twitters, Instagrams, the Pinsides, everywhere else. And if you want to get your video fixed, go over to YouTube, type in straight down the middle and watch some cool cool pinball and arcade stuff over there as well as flipping out speaking of flipping out our machine showcase of the week for flipping out pinball is the stern avengers pro in stock a lot of you guys don't like the headache of that uh captain marvel ramp pros ready to go also turtles pros turtles premium stranger things pros led zeppelin pros hot wheels if you want to get on the interested list of upcoming games go ahead and email us or you can text me at 812-457-9711 i will say the mmr toppers medieval madness remake toppers and displays are getting low those accessories were out of the rgb kits now but we do have some mods to add a little dazzle to your games like the avengers side art and armor in stock turtles armor in stock jurassic park armor got two more in stock hurry up stranger things side are in stock banners banners who's got the banners i do at flipping out pinball including the gnr banner if you guys want a gnr banner we are selling those bye bye bye there alien pre-orders deadpool and jp premium spots are filling up very quick iron maiden spots i don't even know if i've got any spots left for their july runs of the pro and premium golden t 2021s are going to be arriving in a couple weeks as well as ice home games they have that smaller sit down j jurassic park arcade shooter perfect candle to the cake of your home game room and if you're want in the next stern le jjp ce if you're all those things we're getting an interested list and we're almost full almost full so if you oftentimes get games from flipping out let us know as well as newcomers we'd love to have you tpn last week what happened we hadn't off the record that debuted pinball plus podcast a lot of buzz around that uh that initial episodes just another pinball podcast joel had a list of must-have mods it's a must listen and is there a Doctor in the House. The Pinball Show Midweek Edition featured Craig Shake and Bake Bobby chatting with TPN's very own Dr. Joan Coulson. That was a fun lesson. What's coming up this week? At this point, the Puppet Pals are missing. I hope nothing happened to them. And Silver Ball Chronicles. We got a new one coming from Cron Ron Hallett himself and David Dennis. Double Dizzy. I wonder what they're covering. Hmm. Tune in to find out. All right, guys. That was a blast. I can't wait for next week's show with the Creasel himself. We'll see what he's been up to. Nothing, Zach. Leave me the hell alone. For Zach Minney, I'm Zach Minney. Always practice safe pinball. And try better pinball adventures up. So long, everybody. Cheers to the ones that we got. Cheers to the wish that we're here. But you're not. Girls like you. We're girls like me. So now I have to. I need a girl like you. Meep. I love you Adam