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The Pinball Show Ep 83: Dennis‘ #1 Fan Makes Zach‘s Jupiter Ascend

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 12m·analyzed·Dec 7, 2021
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TL;DR

Stern Venom rumors, Secret Santa Godzilla, Spooky hires programmer, Halloween impressions.

Summary

Dennis Nordman and Zach Manning discuss Stern's rumored Venom game (Brian Eddy/Zombie Yeti), new code updates across manufacturers, a Secret Santa Godzilla Pro gift on Pinside, Spooky Pinball's new programmer DJ, and Zach's first impressions of Halloween at Pinsonati. The episode covers industry news, personable banter, and community sentiment around recent releases.

Key Claims

  • Brian Eddy and Zombie Yeti are rumored to be working on a Venom game for Stern's 2022 lineup

    medium confidence · Craig Bobby's Stern news segment citing rumors from Canada's Pinball Podcast, Pinside, and others; Zach notes this is comic-book style Venom

  • Rush is rumored to be Stern's final 2021 release

    medium confidence · Craig Bobby segment: 'rumor has it that Rush appears to be the final release of 2021 for Stern'

  • Stern is shifting to 12-month limited production runs for older/less popular titles like Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, and Guardians of the Galaxy

    medium confidence · Craig Bobby: 'the sheer number of new Spike 2 production titles that Stern now has available may require them to move to a 12-month limited run schedule for some of their less popular titles'

  • Jersey Jack posted a mysterious wax seal image suggesting Pirates of the Caribbean rerun or v1.0 code release

    low confidence · Ken Rudberg segment; post was followed by user comment matching a Pirates certificate, but Ken expresses skepticism

  • American Pinball reports Legends of Valhalla and Hot Wheels are rolling off production; Houdini and Oktoberfest returning to production in 2022

    high confidence · Official statement from Steve Bowden via Kaz segment

  • Spooky Pinball hired DJ as a new programmer, transitioning from electrical engineer work

    high confidence · Zach met DJ in person at Pinsonati; DJ was formerly an electrical engineer now programming for Spooky

  • Zach enjoyed Halloween's playfield shooting and call-outs but notes the clear air ball thing over middle drops looks cheap and flimsy

    high confidence · Zach played one game of Halloween at midnight after general public left; firsthand opinion

  • Halloween sold out; units now available on secondary market

    high confidence · Zach notes 'they all sold out' and machines are now available secondhand 'at the market'

Notable Quotes

  • “rumors suggest that a Brian Eddy normal cornerstone game... a comic book style of Marvel's Venom”

    Zach Manning @ ~25:00 — First public articulation of the Venom rumor for Stern 2022 lineup

  • “I just think it's a little surprising to run with Venom. But not terribly surprising... I could see why there would be demand”

    Zach Manning @ ~26:00 — Zach cautiously validates the Venom rumor despite initial skepticism

  • “yeah if any game screams we need zombie yeti artwork i kind of think this is it this is his wheelhouse”

    Dennis Nordman @ ~28:00 — Validates Zombie Yeti's comic book art style alignment with Venom as a theme

  • “I thought it was very admirable for some individual to gift a brand new pinball machine to a fellow pinhead and a total stranger and remain anonymous... it brought tears to my eyes”

    Zach Manning @ ~42:00 — Emotional validation of the Secret Santa program's positive community impact

  • “I only put one game on it, but I got to say so far... I enjoyed shooting it. And I liked the light show and I liked the call outs... they're kind of hokey... so far so good”

    Zach Manning @ ~65:00 — First impressions of Halloween are positive, though cautious pending code maturity

  • “I would love that to be like a thicker Lexian. That would look nicer because that thing was looking cheap flopping around”

    Zach Manning @ ~66:00 — Specific product quality feedback on Halloween's air ball assembly

  • “I'd be investing in Chicago Gaming Company if they were public. Because they've got a lot of good stuff going on”

    Zach Manning @ ~73:00 — Strong bullish sentiment on Chicago Gaming's business trajectory

  • “Cactus Canyon SC Plus was the most popular game thus far, just looking at line and cues”

    Zach Manning @ ~78:00 — Indicator of strong secondary market interest in Cactus Canyon remakes at Pinsonati

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyBrian EddypersonZombie YetipersonSpooky PinballcompanySpooky LukepersonBugpersonDJpersonChicago Gaming Company

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Zach expresses strong bullish sentiment on Chicago Gaming Company trajectory; indicates confidence in upcoming products and business health

    medium · Zach: 'I'd be investing in Chicago Gaming Company if they were public. Because they've got a lot of good stuff going on'; teases off-air tidbits

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Secret Santa Godzilla Pro gift demonstrates positive community generosity but also attracts online criticism about inequality

    high · Zach emotionally validates the program; notes Facebook criticism about 'rich people giving to rich people'; argues community positivity should override cynicism

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Cactus Canyon SE Plus showing strongest play traffic at Pinsonati; suggests remake variants driving location appeal over newer original titles

    high · Zach: 'Cactus Canyon SC Plus was the most popular game thus far, just looking at line and cues'

  • ?

    leak_detection: Jersey Jack wax seal image post on Facebook sparks speculation about Pirates of the Caribbean rerun or v1.0 code; unconfirmed meaning

    low · Ken Rudberg notes mysterious image posted without caption; user matched image to Pirates certificate; Ken remains skeptical of meaning

  • $

    market_signal: Halloween sold out; secondary market activity indicates strong demand despite production constraints

    high · Zach: 'they all sold out' and 'they're at the market now'; implies strong collector/secondary market activity

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:11
The Pinball Network is online. Launching, The Pinball Show. Episode 83 is go for launch this week as Dennis and I discuss Din Din's Christmas list. Stern rumored titles. A secret Santa dropping a bomb on Pennside. Hanging out with the Spooky Team and some new members. My first impressions of Halloween. Legends of Valhalla, Celts, and Heist. A Jersey Jack wax tease. Pinball market trends. Ceiling fans. And Jupiter ascending. Happy holidays, everyone.
0:52
Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle. It's time for the pinball show. It's pinball with personality. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the pinball show episode 80 to 83. I believe we are your hosts Zach many and Dennis Creasel from the eclectic gamers podcast. Dennis, I miss you. I'm at a pinball show, and you're not here. You're out in the field doing the Lord's work. Field reporter here, Zach Manning with T-Pain. Now, I'm at Cincinnati, Pinsonati in Cincinnati. That's that one Chuck Wirt always talks about. That's right. Chuck Wirt is one of the runners of this. He puts on a good show, I've got to say, and it's getting pretty big. He's going to have to look into maybe going somewhere else or getting another room. It's getting packed here. Maybe he can take over the Expo branding and become the new Expo. Oh, boy. I don't know. Do you think people would come to Cincinnati? Is that too ambitious? I don't know. Cincinnati is kind of a smaller place. I don't know. But it's fun. It's a good show. We had a lot of people show up. Spooky Pinball is here. Chicago Gaming Company is here. So we have manufacturers showing up. Wow.
2:26
Is Punny Factory there? Punny Factory. You know what's funny? I was asked by two people already, Hey, Zach, when are you going to sign that Punny Factory agreement? Why isn't one of those here? Do you think they're still... Are they on course still? Or have they given up? I honestly have not looked into them at all.
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market_signal: Stern shifting to 12-month production runs for older/less popular titles; supply chain and portfolio saturation driving limited availability strategy

medium · Craig Bobby: 'the sheer number of new Spike 2 production titles that Stern now has available may require them to move to a 12-month limited run schedule'; warns buyers to get on distributor lists

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Spooky Pinball hired DJ as programmer; transitioning from electrical engineer role; additional hire pending

    high · Zach met DJ at Pinsonati; directly confirmed he is 'transitioning over to programming'; Zach mentions another employee hire coming soon

  • ?

    product_concern: Halloween's clear air ball assembly over middle drops appears flimsy and cheap; Zach recommends thicker Lexan material

    high · Zach firsthand observation after midnight play session: 'that thing was looking cheap flopping around... I would love that to be like a thicker Lexian'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Stern Venom (comic-book style) rumored as Q1 2022 release with Brian Eddy design and Zombie Yeti art

    medium · Craig Bobby cites Canada's Pinball Podcast, Pinside, and others; Zach validates via EGP content; attributed to rumor mill rather than official sources

  • ?

    technology_signal: Stern's new code updates (Aerosmith, Black Knight Sword of Rage) primarily address bug fixes and Insider Connected compatibility; minimal gameplay enhancements

    high · Craig Bobby: updates 'mostly related to Insider Connected achievement and code updates... minor polish and bug fixes'

    • 2:46
    I'm not going to say ever. The last thing I saw from them was when they had that weird... Do you remember the really weird trailer with the wizard?
    2:53
    Yes. I think they took that trailer down. I don't know why. It was so funny. I missed the wizard trailer. If you guys took it down and you're listening, put the trailer back up. Just turn off the comments if you're sad. YouTube took away the dislikes, so you don't show those anymore. So you can put it back up. You didn't even have to spoof that video.
    3:13
    No! There's nothing I could do. It was beyond my power. Speaking of power, Santa Claus has a lot of powers. Dennis, have you ever met him?
    3:22
    You know, once in Detroit. that's who he said he was i hope he enjoys that car that used to be mine you're not gonna top that that was uh i needed that this morning i don't know why it's so funny okay uh was he a little dirty what was look look the motor city has its own sense of smell taste and style detroit okay i gotta stop well the reason i asked dennis is because i don't know about you i've been i've been a good boy this year i've not been naughty been a really good boy and uh i wanted to see what are you asking for for christmas is there anything on your on your laundry list of items i know you're hashtag high maintenance uh anything you're asking for in particular oh i mean it's not like one one certain item above all else that i'm i'm asking for i guess of one of the gifts that rules the law yeah yeah it's no it's just some some tool stuff i've asked for i think i i think i threw on the list of a new ceiling fan okay with a light because mine's starting the one i use in my room here where i work from it's starting to like go that's the sound of it like trying to start the fire oh well yeah and so i was like i was like and so i asked my dad i said hey do you is it hard to change out a ceiling fan with the lights because i've got a dimmer switch but it doesn't actually do it and the chain doesn't power the light anymore and it's going And he goes – and he's a retired electrical engineer, so I figured I'd ask him. I'm hinting at helping me do it because I don't want to electrocute myself. And he's like, yeah, actually, it's not hard at all. The only hard part is getting up to the ceiling. And I was like, oh, I already have the step ladder to do that. So then I put it on the list. Are you going to install it? Yeah, that would be the plan, yeah. Ooh, can you video it?
    5:31
    Why would I do that? I'm just thinking about you high up on a ladder. I don't have fans with Dennis. Electrical device. It just may be a good thing to record. That's all. Oh, no. I mean, I would have him help do like he'd do the wiring. So I don't so I don't have to learn how to. It's very tiresome to learn how not to electrocute. You know, I've electrocuted myself on enough pinball machines. I don't think we want to watch me do it when I'm on a ladder. Well, all I'm saying is if you want to make my Christmas special a video, that's all I need. It's a little too Christmas vacation-y for me. Exactly. That's what I'm looking for. That didn't age well either, that movie. Yeah.
    6:12
    Ho, ho, ho. It's time for TPN Industry News. Hello and welcome to the pinball show's Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. Speculation, rumor, and more speculation seem to be the main themes right now over at Stern As year-end approaches and the actual news starts to wind down There seems to be no shortage of ideas on what may lie ahead for Stern in 2022 And while rumor has it that Rush appears to be the final release of 2021 for Stern The rumor mill, courtesy of Canada's Pinball Podcast, Pinside, and others seem to be pointing strongly towards a Brian Eddy and Zombie Yeti Venom title for Stern's first release of 2022, my spidey senses are telling me that staying home for the holidays may not be a bad idea this year again, as things may not always appear as they seem when you're talking about Marvel and the hundreds of characters and licenses they control. And just when you think those coders at Stern were resting on their turkey-filled tummies, Stern Pinball has posted new Aerosmith code V1.09 and Black Knight's sort of rage code V1.11 this past week. Mostly related to Insider Connected achievement and code updates, however, all of these new updates that we are seeing these days also contain some minor polish and bug fixes, as the Insider Connected platform is breathing new code life into all of Stern's Spike 2 platform releases. And speaking of updates, could new code updates be coming for Stern's recently released Mandalorian? It appears Dwight Sullivan has been quite active lately in the Tilt forum threads these days, as he's been engaging the community there with regard to Mandalorian's shortcomings code-wise related to that center ramp strategy that you can hammer all day long to move through that game. And on the production side at Stern, while new titles like Godzilla are moving nicely through Stern's production lines, older titles may be in for a serious slowdown, regardless of supply chain issues. Yes, the sheer number of new Spike 2 production titles that Stern now has available may require them to move to a 12-month limited run schedule for some of their less popular titles, like Led Zeppelin, Iron Maiden, and Guardians of the Galaxy. So if you're sitting on the fence wondering when the best time to buy that new in-box title is that it's over 18 months old, don't delay. Get your name on a distributor waiting list now because those runs will be limited in the future and could be over a year or more until they are made. Well, that's all for this week. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side.
    9:15
    Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. Something mysteriously popped up on Jersey Jack's Facebook feed this past Friday that has people intrigued. It's a photo, with no caption, of a Jersey Jack pinball logo on a red wax seal, like old-timey people used to seal envelopes with. It looks to be on some sort of parchment that includes some scrollwork lines off to the left. Some immediately suggested that this could mean a long-awaited Pirates of the Caribbean rerun. The post was followed up with an interesting comment from a Facebook user showing her Pirates of the Caribbean certificate that came with her game. It's almost a perfect match with the image Jersey Jack posted. Could the pinball dreams of many Jersey Jack pinball fans be coming true? I'm a bit skeptical at this point, and as some other users pointed out, it could just mean that Jersey Jack's Pirates is finally reaching 1.0 version code. But either way, let's hope that Jersey Jack reveals its meaning soon. If you're looking for an interesting interview with Jersey Jack's namesake, Jack Guarneri, he recently appeared on the Jimmy Deal's Celebrity Spotlight Show on Hamilton Radio. It's a non-pinball media interview, so the questions and direction are a bit different than what we're used to in the pinball media. He talks about getting into the pinball industry and a bit of the history of Jersey Jack pinball. It's available online. Just search for Jimmy Deal, spelled D-E-I-L-E, and it's a good listen. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg.
    10:53
    I'm Morrison here with your Chicago Gaming Company news update for the week. Small update this week, Ryan White was at Pintastic a few weeks ago with a similar seminar as Expo. However, he did state that currently the Lyman Sheets-Josh Sharp code combo is a Cactus Canyon exclusive. But if people like their work, future collaboration wouldn't be out of the picture. And if you want a mirrored back glass for your CCR, contact your dealer. They in turn will contact Planetary Pinball Supply. The cost, $250 plus shipping. For the back glass, I imagine this is going to be a logistical nightmare for dealers. But Planetary expects the back glass to be ready in February. Number matching is also available if you have the other three remakes with matching numbers. So contact your dealer if you haven't already. But that's going to do it for this week. I'm Matt Morrison. Back to you guys.
    11:41
    Hey, this is Kaz with a quick update on American Pinball. I reached out to Steve Bowden, and he provided me this update. He said, we are pleased to report that Legends of Valhalla and Hot Wheels continue to roll off the line. We are fulfilling orders as quickly and efficiently as possible. Houdini and Oktoberfest will be back in production in 2022. And thank you to all the customers. Now, American Pinball has been doing a lot of shows recently, so everyone's been able to play the new games, get their orders in, and they're now receiving their new games. I hope everybody's enjoying those games. I hope you have a great week, and have fun playing pinball. For the Pinball Show, this is Brian Kosner.
    12:20
    Is it just me, Dennis, or do we always start off with Stern Pinball News? We do. That's usually because Craig Bobby's bringing the heat. He has been bringing the heat. Oh, look at you. Is that a compliment? Hey, Craig has been on his A-game lately. He's been extra Craig-y. Well, you know, after, what, seven trips into the wilderness in 2021. Yeah, he's more maple leaf than...
    12:47
    What other leaves do they have up there? He's found himself. I think it's just the maple leaf up there. They don't have any other trees. Furs? Furs of some type. Evergreen things, right? Right. Conifers.
    13:00
    Stern Pinball's in the news. You know, Dennis, that there have been a lot of rumors kind of circling around right now about the game following the rumored Rush game. Ooh. Mm-hmm. I love rumors. Yeah, I've heard. And you had some good ones there on EGP. You guys got to go check that out. Rumor Corner. Can you believe someone asked me to do rheumatoid arthritis or something? Rumor, rheumatoid arthritis. I can't remember what all.
    13:29
    That was old Chris Chandler, our former correspondent. Okay, the traitor. Yeah, well, now I guess his thing to cover went away. Are you not rumortained was pretty good. Yeah, that was his too. He actually, in his email, called it rumor reigned, but I turned it into something a little better. Well, and that's why you're the host there. But they're rumored, and not that I teased at the head of the last show playing a poison song, but the rumors out there circling around are a comic book style of Marvel's Venom. What do you think? This is actually the first I'm hearing about this. Oh, okay, okay. Interesting. So would this be a new game? this isn't going to be like a reskin of an existing Marvel property, is it? Well, we don't know anything, but the rumors suggest that a Brian Eddy normal cornerstone game.
    14:22
    Okay. I didn't know the Venom movies were doing that great. I haven't seen either of them. I've seen part of one, and it's good, but it's not like standout crazy, here's another Marvel Universe limb of the tree or anything, but they were pretty good. I just think that the comic book version of Venom, if that is the case, that's where I want to see a comic book rendition of a comic book license rather than Avengers. Avengers, I want that film. But when it comes to Venom, I'm thinking of – who did the – like Todd McFarlane? He did a lot of Venom stuff. Yeah, I think you're right. That's who I associate with it. I don't know if that's bias from just remembering that he did Spawn or what. But yeah, that's what I'm – when I'm thinking of Venom, first thing I think of is comic book. When I think of Avengers, the first thing I think of is the movies. Well, and the comic would make the most sense, even from a stylistic choice perspective, because as the movies, they're actually controlled by Sony.
    15:19
    Oh, okay. That's why it's not tied into the same universe. They have an exception going on with Spider-Man. They made a special deal for Spider-Man to be able to be in both worlds, basically. But when it comes to the certain properties that Sony bought and got licensed to back when Marvel wasn't doing well, they've held on to those. And so that's why Venom is coming out from Sony Pictures and isn't a part of the MCU. So, again, with Stern having arrangements with Marvel, and they've not really done anything with Sony since the old Spider-Man movie. Well, that is true. It would make sense to me that they'd be like, let's just do comic. Let's work with Marvel. Remember how pleased George Gomez was talking about how easy it was to work with Marvel on the comic edition of Deadpool? Good point. So, again, that kind of gives him a lot of creative license. So, yeah, given all that, I just think it's a little surprising to run with Venom.
    16:17
    But not terribly surprising. It wasn't something that was on the top of my head because I didn't think that there was demand. But I could see why there would be. yeah if any game screams we need zombie yeti artwork i kind of think this is it this is his wheelhouse yeah i mean basically everyone says he just draws like marvel comics anyway yeah many have said that many have said that but uh i i'd like to see his rendition of a of a venom i don't know maybe they pull in another artist but the rumblings right now or a zombie yeti potentially with brian eddie on a venom okay all right i like it i i don't think it's a fail i know it's interesting comic stuff seems to to be doing really well lately there's a lot of nostalgia for venom there is a venom is there's a big following for the the the villainy of is that a word villainy of venom yeah the villainy of i wonder i wonder if they'll ask me to voice Venom. I was going to say, I don't know if, I know it's different universes, but Nordman may have a thing or two to say about Venom trying to attack the people. They're not allowed to do a crossover.
    17:31
    You've gone into the wrong universe, Venom. You got, where are your ramps? I demand ramps. I did Blackwater 100.
    17:43
    You know there's got to be a ramp with a long tongue. It's just going to happen. That would be fun. Listener, we're still hearing that we're going to see that cornerstone at the end of this month, the rumored rush. Yeah, where's my promised rush pin? I don know Why aren they rushing it along I don know I full of humor It cracking me up that we hearing about the rumored title after the rumored title Yeah, now that's odd. What happened to the James Bond rumors? I was hearing James Bond. It may still be floating around. Maybe they just reskinned it to Venom.
    18:22
    A couple of inappropriate things popped into my mind. The laziest archon ever. So you're like seeing the scene where Sean Connery's got the laser about to cut him in half from Goldfinger. But it's just a Venom tongue.
    18:37
    He's like, hey, why are you trying to steal the gold from four docs? I'm Venom. I don't have a Venom voice. Sorry. You better throw in a pushy.
    18:49
    We're having way too much fun already. And nothing breaks up fun like discussing new code updates by Stern Pinball. Oh, my gosh. No one cares. I know. It's Black Knight Sword of Rage. Especially about these two games, Aerosmith and Black Knight. No.
    19:04
    Mostly just some bug fixes, cleanup, and for the most part, that insider-connected availability. So that's all that is. We were talking about Santa Claus at the opening of the show, but Santa Claus struck early on Pennside. You had me and you went back and forth because you had some opinions about the secret Santa program on Penn side, which I think is just an altruistic, lovely program that is all about bringing positivity to what sometimes is a toxic little community that we have. So that is going on right now. And one lucky person received a brand new pinball machine, Dennis. But not only just a brand new pinball machine, but a brand new, most sought after, probably best selling pinball machine in the last, I don't know how long. And that is? Number 40 of Elvira, 40th edition. No, no, not that one. No, I'm still holding on to that one. Yeah, Godzilla Pro. can you imagine just fedex freight pulling up to your house and there being a brand new pinball machine delivered to you also with a stern fatigue player mat uh by flipping out pinball and flipping out pinball shirt and a godzilla banner but that's besides the point a brand new game dennis wow no not at least not with a banner i couldn't imagine it well i read the banners the cherry on top my friend how do you feel about this program i love putting you on the spot on this It's absolutely incredible. What generosity. Oh, okay. I see what you're doing there. I was looking at Pinside. That was mostly positive. Some Facebook. So I want to congratulate. I think it's Petey. Oh, what is this Pinside name? Petey something. Pinside Petey? He's the winner? Congratulations, Petey. No.
    20:55
    You assholes. Suck it, losers. That's about the best Petey I have. Where is Petey at? Little prick.
    21:04
    Who knows? He's probably on lockdown. I've got the COVID, fuckers. So he got a brand new pro machine. I saw on Facebook, here's what ruffled me.
    21:18
    All this nice stuff is going on. So much niceness. This person who gave this was anonymous, remained anonymous throughout. He reached out to me a couple months ago. What a secret Santa. Yeah, but you know how these things go. No, actually, I've never participated. Well, I'm talking about just anonymity. Oh, Nicole's coming in. Hey, Nicole.
    21:45
    Yeah. She can't hear you, but... Did she bring milkshakes? Are you recording in your car? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, I knew that the checkout, we had to be out of the room while we were recording, so... Yeah, they're going to throw you out or bill you for another day. You don't want that. Nicole, are you going to the booth for a minute? Okay.
    22:07
    I thought it was very admirable for some individual to gift a brand new pinball machine to a fellow pinhead and a total stranger and remain anonymous. He reached out to me a couple months ago, Dennis, and asked about it. Not to be hokey, but it brought tears to my eyes because I know there's people out there that are that generous. and sure there's other ways to be generous as well but it was just very heartwarming to know that at the end of the day our community although we're like family so we fight and bicker a lot we can come together and do something special like this so it was an honor for nicole and i flipping out to to participate in this and it couldn't have went to a better person he not to say your collection sucks but he was very uh he this is this is a cool collection or a cool piece to add to his collection that's all but i then i go on facebook and people were shit talk i'm like how how do you get something like this and be so positive everybody everybody's winning here and then somebody on facebook is like oh yeah rich people giving to rich people this is great what a wonderful thing this is and i'm like damn it we can't have anything nice but i i see the argument but people don't know maybe this guy is like the the most generous person maybe he's at the soup kitchen every day who knows who knows chill out people be happy it's the holidays did you think any more about my uh request for a holiday based soundtrack that i sing sing along no i put no more thought into it what's your favorite christmas song i actually don't like christmas music no jesus christ of course you don't white christmas that's it's okay if it moves us on from this discussion it's great man your favorite is elvis's blue christmas i'll have a blue christmas without you Jesus is all about Christmas. You're right, Dennis. Yeah. Lord and Savior. I'm sure that would be the Secret Santa would be very approved by the baby Jesus. I don't know how we transition from baby Jesus or Jesus' sacrifice on a cross to sausage fingers, but I'm going to try to make it happen. I wonder if Jesus had sausage fingers. I think he was a, I think he had digits were thick. Maybe. This is like not going anywhere near that one. The transition here for Sausage Fingers is about Spooky Pinball's Halloween. Ooh. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. They dropped new code for Halloween and Ultraman. Oh, my gosh. More code. No.
    25:05
    Leave Brittany and the code alone. Leave Michael alone. Yeah, the Benton team up there running out new code, and they said for the holiday season, we're going to see 1.05 coming soon with additional expert modes. No, no, no, no. The Spooky team is down here at Pinson. I've been hanging out with Bug and Luke, and now a new team member, which is DJ. DJ was an electrical engineer that was working with them, and he's now transitioning over to programming for Spooky Pinball. and his little dog too he has a dog it's pretty big actually i saw a photo compared to other goldens he's kind of a runt i think yeah i don't think you know anything about golden retrievers are big dogs yeah i don't think his is a runt it's pretty small like why are you putting down his dog not not i don't mean it that way oh god that's all we need oh god oh this whole show is people love when i insert that they love when i insert that uh that clip there uh no me and jupiter we we connected he's a lovely baby and he likes to eat leaves he was outside i was like jupiter you want to leave the dog the dog's This runt dog is named for the largest planet in the solar system. Yeah, or with that shitty film that came out, Jupiter Falling. What was that? There is no way DJ named that dog for that movie. There is no way. You are right. That film is garbage, and there is no way he did it. Well, it's better than what, Xanthora? What was that? What is the goofiest thing you ever named a pet after, Zach? I've had a Cliff. That was a pretty goofy name. What was the name? Was Cliff named after what? Tyrone. Cliff, just a solid name for a man. No, I was fishing for just like, oh, yeah, we named him after this goofy thing. Maybe you never did. We just go for just weird, like my current dog's names are Millie and Hank. Hank is just a solid dog name, I think. Okay, because I was like when I was probably a little bit before I graduated high school, we had a dog and we named him Norton after the antivirus. Why?
    27:32
    We had no other. I don't know why we did it. We just, that's what we did to that dog. Because he was a pain and he always popped up when you didn't want him to come around. I'm in the bathroom washing myself. No, he was an outdoor dog. He was an outdoor dog. Do people really still have outdoor dogs? I always think it's the weirdest thing.
    27:51
    Sort of. I mean, yeah, he had a dog house. so it wasn't like he didn't have shelter. He didn't want to be inside. He didn't want to be in bathrooms. Now, he would come in the house, if I remember, to try and find food, but that was about it. Can you blame him? I think it's kind of weird. A listener out there, if you have an outdoor dog, is it like for hunting? I don't know. It's just like give him a breezeway in your house or at least a garage. We gave him a knife. I don't know what else you want.
    28:21
    So out there hunting. Best of luck, Norton. Hopefully he doesn't learn that human is the most dangerous game to hunt with his little survival knife in his mouth. He was like a shepherd-chow mix or something weird. I thought your family was just a bunch of assholes and you gave them a 30-day trial period out there.
    28:42
    He was kind of an aggressive dog. Oh, no, because he was left outside. No, he liked being out there. He just didn't want any other dogs out there with him. All right, so anyway, so Spooky, they've got this dog, and the dog's programming for them now. The dog is programming. Jupiter has ascended.
    29:00
    You lose Bowen, and you pick up Jupiter. That's all. What was Jupiter ascending? That was with Hunky Guy, Magic Mike, wasn't it? Isn't that what it was? He had weird elf ears.
    29:12
    I'm trying to think about this movie. Anyway, so they added a programmer, and I did meet DJ. DJ is freaking awesome. He's a cool dude, laid back just like the rest of the team. Had fun with Spooky Luke. Talked to him about rubbing himself down with deer urine. He had not yet. And then, yeah, Bug is always just a chill, cool, relaxed kid. So they've got a lot of ideas for moving forward. And they have a lot of leadership. I will say this. A lot of leadership between Luke and Bug. That's all I'm saying. A lot of leadership there. Charlie was not here. they do have family down here in cincinnati though they're also teasing adding another employee here very soon so you guys are going to hear that probably on social media etc so another employee is getting ready to add to the spooky team now this week i did play halloween dennis oh yeah so have you not played it before i still haven't i had not i had not played it and i thought you had played it like it with up in the jj's room or something yeah i didn't i ended up not playing it up there now i i did order a halloween when they first came out and the guys were nice enough to bring mine down they brought mine down butter cab and all uh and i was going to set it up in the booth but then i ran out of space so i wanted to wait until i got home because you know how shows are you can't hear anything and i wanted to wait but last night at around midnight once they kicked the general public out me and a couple buddies i had a chance to play Halloween. I only put one game on it, but I got to say so far, but you can't see the code or anything, but so far shooting it, I enjoyed shooting it. And I liked the light show and I liked the call outs. The call outs actually were my favorite so far because they're kind of hokey. Maybe it's just me kind of hokey, but, uh, I so far so good, but we'll see where this code goes. The only thing that I want a modder to do, Dennis, there's this clear air ball thing over the middle drops. It's like, I think, Ghostbusters. Yeah, I've seen some photos. Yeah, so that flops around in the wind. I would love that to be like a thicker Lexian. That would look nicer because that thing was looking cheap flopping around. But it was so far fun to shoot. And the upgates, maybe it's just because I know about them so much, 0% bother me. zero they didn't bother me in the least i knew that was coming it was flashing i was like what's everybody bitching about here i could see for new people but new people aren't going to be buying halloween really i don't think spooky's there yet well no one's going to be buying halloween because they all sold out oh wait no i guess you can go second hand and buy them buy them in for a discount uh yeah they're at the market they're on the market now so we'll see uh i'll i'll report back once we get it home and everything. But I went with the Buttercap. I know you would approve of that. Well, that's not a surprise. Well, I've never went Buttercap. Never went Buttercap. Yeah, but you've only owned like one other Spooky, right? Oh, I've owned every Spooky I've owned at some point. Oh, I ordered new where you could control. Yeah, that was just Rick and Morty. Yeah, that's true. That is true. So, so far, listener, hang tight because I'm good so far, But it's one game. This thing could be just a complete shit show. I don't know. You've been diamond handing it. It's GameStop, whatever that place is. Dogecoin, baby. Wall Street Bets. Spooky Street Bets. I'd be investing in Chicago Gaming Company if they were public. Because they've got a lot of good stuff going on. A lot of good stuff coming up. I can't wait to tell you off air some of the tidbits.
    32:59
    It's good stuff. I don't know. I'm still waiting to hear about Cactus Canyon SE plus Epsilon. They showed off the first one at Pinsonati. How about it? It's like an LE except not. I can tell you that Pinsonati had, I think every game. We had a couple Aliens here, Legends of Valhalla, a couple of those here. Fathom remake?
    33:21
    No. Then how about NAMM? All the kinds of Godzillas, two Halloweens, two Ultras, all the games here. And I will say Cactus Canyon SC Plus was the most popular game thus far, just looking at line and cues and stuff, the most popular game at the show this weekend. Did you possibly consider that the reason why the long line existed was that that is a long player of a game? That's the correct answer. I just, I wasn't going to advertise that.
    33:55
    It's so long, it's easy. Cactus King is easy. It's training wheels. And there was only one compared to like two Halloween. Oh, no. Once you throw in the numbers, once you throw in the numbers, the story sounds different. It's popular. Let's rewind that. Let's play that back in an instant replay.
    34:16
    Okay. It was a popular game. It held up really well. We did not have to pull the glass. I don't think we pulled the glass once on that thing. Did you have to pull the glass on Godzilla? Let me think. We have a premium in and out. out no see did not that's the new standard glass free practically did not so that's a good sign uh we talked to ryan white from chicago gaming company he still is claiming that they're a couple weeks behind on the se rolling those out as they wanted to but they're kind of on the line and and starting the process so over the next couple weeks we should see se start to roll out then we're rolling into le's at the beginning of the year then se plus is after but they've they've got a new game on the horizon as well that i don't they're going to be making a lot of games in 2022 thank god well well you know they've never been able to announce a game and put one out within a year of a prior one so we'll see we will see brian cosner our american pinball correspondent reached out to Steve Bowden, who's now kind of in charge of marketing sales over at American Pinball, our buddy Steve Bowden, and he said that they are pleased to report that Legends of Valhalla and Hot Wheels continue to roll off the line, almost as if it's like a past tense thing. They continue to roll off. Where's mine? I haven't seen any of them. Yeah, how long have you been waiting for Hot Wheels, Zach? Yeah, well, Hot Wheels I've seen, but not Love. No Love. No Love for flipping out. There is no Love lost. Now they're fulfilling orders as efficiently and quickly as possible. And Houdini and Oktoberfest are going to be back on the production line in 2022 They wanted to thank their customers for the continued interest and for the business Okay I played Love You didn play that at Expo It was like two inches away from your booth. Didn't play it there. Did not play it there. I'm going to be as gentle as I can. Love had issues at the show here. Didn't have a flipping out booth. This could be a B-. Had another dealer's booth, but that hood was up more than it was down, it felt like. That was a report that some of us noted from Expo. It seemed like LOVs were turning into Hot Wheels constantly. Yeah, they were morphing. Yeah, so I played it. It played fine when I played it. And maybe it's the one that they're just passing around prototype stuff, so that is to be expected. Well, not to be expected, but one can expect there to be issues potentially. It's not a deal breaker kind of situation. It was fine. It looked cool. It played fine.
    37:04
    It's Legends of a Hall. I don't know. It's okay. Were the prototypes the ones, the lobs with the triple spinning discs?
    37:13
    I think you're getting your Vikings and Pirates mixed up. I can't keep this stuff straight anymore. There's so much news from all these companies. Yes, I'm glad I got my hands on it. It's nothing. I need more time on it. It's nothing to write home about yet. Why? You only needed one game on Halloween to know that you like it. No. Well, you know why, honestly? No. Because theme matters, and theme sucks me in. That's why. That's why I'll never get rid of Rick and Morty. But Valhalla is calling you home. Valhalla wasn't doing much for me. Oh. No. I like that they had magnets. That counts for something. The drop target's weird. I'm like, okay, I don't know what that is. But, eh.
    37:53
    Moving on to Multimorphic. Did you hear that they announced, Jerry? Jerry! Announced new flipper mechs? Yeah. A new enhanced flipper package? I hear that there's like an instruction kit, because it's, I've heard that there are templates and stuff, and it's supposed, from what I've read, it's supposed to be pretty easy to do, but it does involve some drilling. Whoa. Uh-oh. Drilling. I need to go back and check. I didn't follow it closely, because I don't have one, so I was like, well, it doesn't affect me. I guess all the new games are coming with the new mechs, so. Okay. All right. uh i what was it on our discord we were kind of talking about it and somebody said well were the new mechs at expo on those games and the person was like yes and no they were still kind of prototyping those but they were kind of in there i didn't hear anybody saying oh the mechs are great in this i don't know what everybody talks about so i don't know i don't know what the new flipper flipper mechs are but hey when they get a complaint over at multimorphic they try to accommodate by upgrading and stuff. So kudos to them for that. I still need to get my hands on one with the new Flipper mechs. I did play Heist. First time I played Heist. You finally got to play it. Their best game. Is it their best game? I think it is. Okay.
    39:05
    You do not, apparently. You are a Cosmic Cart fan. I do like the mechanisms in Cosmic Cart Racing. Well, all the mechs are cool, and all of the... That's never been an issue. The magnets on the back panel is just really cool. Here's my thing. I cannot and will not get behind Multimorphic moving forward Unless by default He switches those damn additional Flippers to the same button I won't do it But you can go in and do that I don't give a shit If you're running a company Dennis That you think that's a good idea Go in the menu I shouldn't have to This ain't McDonald's Just go in and do it Just go in the menu That is unacceptable to me. I'm sorry. I do not get that. They've got the triple buttons. They want to use them. That's what I tell myself as to why they made that decision. And the inlanes. Don't get cute here. It's the weirdest. I'm sorry. I'm bashing. It's the weirdest feeling because I'm a primary finger flipper. So it doesn't make sense to my hand positioning to put my index on that additional auxiliary button. Then I guess you'll have to just stretch. No, no, no. My wallet's not stretching because I'm not getting one. No. And I played this on this particular one. This was my old one. This was my old one that I originally had back in the day. It's trying to come home. Well, I'm glad to see that it's still out there running good. Well, running.
    40:36
    I had trouble making the ramps. So I had to quit after Bowl 2. But I see what they're going for. Why are you treating this like an outside dog? I'm treating this like Norton. Poor Norton. And it always pops up when I don't want it to. Something about that system, I'm just, I can't get into it. Can't do it. Well, maybe when the licensed title is revealed, you will finally come around. I can't pass that feel, I guess. Such cool engineering. I'm still not there. I'm there with Jersey Jack Pinball. Did you see them teasing? Jersey Jack Pinball? No, I haven't seen anything from them this week. But I've not been following the pinball social media very well this last week. Man, fair enough. King Cromwell teasing something over in the media department there. He had just a simple picture on Jersey Jack's Facebook and socials of a red wax seal of the JJP logo, the old stampy seal like Sherlock Holmes, on parchment paper, and that's it. Huh. I'm trying to remember when in Toy Story did they play with wax signet ring emblems. but I've only seen the first toy story so I don't know yeah I've only seen that one I only saw the good one Zach and you know what that right there is going to get a lot of people writing into the pinball network at gmail.com because the ignorance of saying just the good one as the first one the second one was an equal triumph and the third one was equally as good as well but one and two are classic cinema and you can't separate They can't all three be equally good. Even the Godfather dropped the ball by number three. Okay, but one and two are, there was no dropping of any balls by number three. And number four, bitch slapped everybody and said, hey, you guys thought we were done, but we're still just as good. And number five is alive. No. Callback. I have no idea what this red wax seal logo parchment thing. Maybe they're going old timey. It's Pirates of the Caribbean. That's what it is. but is it new code update pirates of the caribbean or is it another vault re-release still that's what people want hey and the market right now i mean it would be a smart move for jjp to go ahead and be like hey you know what these things are going over 20k there is no reason why we shouldn't give this the gnr ce treatment price wise and do it well yeah they're They're like, screw you, Elvira. Poor Elvira. You said you still have your 40th. I'm holding on to her. Why? Well, you know, we might find that out in pinball market trends. But I think, how many units do you think they could sell pirates if they brought back another run of L.A.'s? Well, obviously, pricing will depend a little bit, but I'll say at least 1,000. Okay, that's a large number.
    43:27
    The game is almost more myth now than reality to some people. Because people see that price, they just think it's some sort of super legendary game, and I think that there would be a lot of demand, especially if it's significantly under the second-hand pricing. There's some that, especially if people are like, holy cow, they're doing it again. This is going to be the last widebody from JJP, all that. There's all sorts of myth and story we can weave into this tale. Pirate lore. Yar. Do you think that they sell 1,000 units at $15,000?
    44:01
    If they could produce them soon, yes. Yeah, that's a winning picture. I think once the shipping stuff, like we've talked about before, I still think once the supply chain things stabilize, that this current pricing stuff is not going to hold the way it is. Not at the demand. Right now, there's still too many people that are buying for their homes, but that's not going to keep up. We've got a lot of people still waiting for GNR, but their production has really picked up. Like, it is going kind of unsaid, listener, because, like, GNRs, they're catching up those back orders pretty, pretty good. We're expecting another shipment that won't close out our back orders, but it'll get pretty close. There's no more day one orders for us, not even close. We're end of last year, beginning of this year on back orders, so that's progress. And Willy Wonka's, that last little run that they were going to do, I believe we, and we ordered a lot. we're receiving our final allotment of that order. So if they can keep up this type of production, maybe they do squeeze in something. I don't, I really don't, unless they want to keep that line, I don't know. Well, surely, Zach, surely the next game is ready.
    45:17
    Yes, I would, yes. So they can always just move on to their next. I mean, remember what Jack was always saying, they want two games out a year. That doesn't mean going back and doing Pirates. That meant two new games. I know. But Jack says a lot of things. Let's be real. Yeah, I know. But sometimes, you know, Ampin was the same way. That's what I call American pinball. I just call them Ampin. They're like the Amway of pinball. Oh, yeah. I always picture the airline. What was that? Pan Am. Okay. Yeah, so I don't know what this means, but this Red Seal means. No bullshit, I don't know what this means. A lot of times I know what's going on in these manufacturers. I don't know what this one is. I think they could sell a thousand units I don't even know if they'd want to make a thousand maybe 500 at 15 make it a Black Pearl edition so you don't call Nelly because if you call Nelly people are going to be like I thought you released for 11,000 we'll have to talk to JJP I talked to Damien Haggis a lot over the last two weeks and he was kind enough he wanted to support the states over here in the show he was like let me air freight you a Haggis Keltz pinball machine Highland edition for the Cincinnati show. And boy, did he get it over here quick. It's fast. Yeah, I was the only one there because as we learned from the Highlander, there can be only one. That's way too nerdy for me to know that reference movie. Oh, no. Write to thepenballnetwork at gmail.com and tell Zach that he should know what the Highlander is. Is it like Arnold Schwarzenegger or something? Oh, my God. Is it the Xena Warrior Prince? Oh, gosh.
    46:50
    Man, they're all weird looking. I was sad. Haggis sent over of kelts and this is a different pinball machine there was a lot of things that surprised me on this game in a good way but some in a bad way i guess but a lot in a good way as i've said before dennis and listener kelts theme wise does jack shit for me i don't care about that theme it's actually kind of a turnoff theme i do like the art better on kelts than i do uh legends of valhalla up for what it's worth and the call outs the sound all pretty good it's a brutal little game i didn't know we were getting a fast brutal game in kelts i just i haven't played it enough to know the rules or anything but the nice little details i i'm most excited about the details that i see damien and the team putting in this kelts because that means fathom is going to have these same types of details if not better i did get the gerbil trim have you seen that trim with a it's green purple bluey chameleony yeah but but i haven't seen it in person so it is it is the nicest powder coat i've seen from a manufacturer indefinitely i mean it's it's that nice they have an enclosed subwoofer built into the back of the cabinet that was a huge surprise their head is odd shaped i'm not oh no it won't fit in the lineup yeah i'm not super wild about the head shape but what i do like is on the back of the head Dennis they have laser etched and it's a thick cabinet head so laser etched haggis logo and insignia back there and it's just a really nice piece because you see light shining through on it there's a lot of really cool pieces here a lot of cleanup that they still need to modify a little bit use of some of the posts they're using and such this held up I thought usually when you get these games like I got cosmic carnival one of the first ones came out that was a full-time job at the show keeping that thing going uh and we couldn't even keep it going even some some of the large manufacturers have these games come out to these shows and we have to babysit them but haggis wasn't bad at all we had one issue pop up a couple ball traps that i'm going to report back to damien but the only issue that popped up was the flipper bats that they were using i don't know if they were cheap i don't know what was going on they It looked like a Bally Williams. A lot of Bally Williams parts in those things. But the flipper bat, it broke. Like a little chunk around that the band goes around? No, it was where the bushing goes to the rod. It was like a hairline fracture. So it was slipping a little bit, and you could feel it when you flipped. Still worked, but you could feel it. So we swapped out all three flippers last night after a couple hundred plays. Swapped those out, and it shoots even better now. But damn things have been holding up. been holding up well we'll see you should have been in on one but nope you were too good on one now this is my game so we'll see i'm gonna do a video on it i gotta show off some of these features they're cool but not as cool as everyone's favorite pinball podcasting segment do you think this thing's gonna win an emmy is it gonna win an emmy are they doing emmys anymore I don't really keep track of a lot of these awards. I think the Emmys is kind of looking at us. They like what they're hearing. No. Fuck pinball award shows. We're looking at the Emmys, the big time.
    50:18
    It's time, ladies and gentlemen, for the podcast segment that you've all been waiting for with your main host with the most, Zach Minney and his sidekick, Nordman.
    50:27
    Sidekick? For the Pinball Market Show. Oh, my gosh. as much as your as I refer to them off week episodes are so phoned in now oh god oh no they're great I was amazed last week you didn't just drop the correspondence that's the last one it's a correspondent episode you've done that twice this year so many nugs in that I'm going to hide them I'm like jigsaw baby I'm going to start sprinkling them in everywhere you gotta listen, listen closely because everything will be revealed if your brain works You're doing too many of them. You're like the 20-piece nug pack from Mickey D's. That's right. That's exactly right. Just me and Jupiter, baby, sitting there eating it with Magic Mike. I wonder if he would steal your nugs and eat them all in front of you. He'd be like, no, don't, and then he would just eat them anyway. I would scrape honey off of his chest for my nuggets. I would. Magic Mike, not the dog. That'd be here. Oh, no, I was imagining that we were still talking about Jupiter. Oh, poor Jupiter. No, the matted hair and golden retriever's shed. So, no. Ladies and gentlemen, it's Pinball Market Trends.
    51:35
    Trending up this week, believe it or not, is Stern Pinballs the Beatles. I don't believe it. It won't be long, yeah. It won't be long. And it's trending up because this thing is now picking up steam in a very well-respected niche area of our pinball community. And that is the competitive players, Dennis. They do like it. That's true. The competitive players are now pulling the trigger on the Beatles. Not just playing them in competitions, not just having them in banks, they're purchasing them. It's storing them in warehouses across the land. Our friend and TPN member from the Triple Drain Pinball Podcast, Travis Murie. We heard him. He pre-ordered one. He's got one coming. As well as his co-host, Tom Graff. Both high competitive pinball players. I thought they were done buying pinball machines. That shows you the power of the trendability of Beatles.
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    It broke through. Thanks for that layup there. It broke through. Oh, and I don't know. Maybe the number one pinball player in all of the world, Raymond Davidson, just bought a Beatles. How much evidence do you need? Is he still number one? Numbers don't lie, Dennis. I only report the IFPA facts. Okay. I haven't checked. I only go to the IFPA site to check the calendar to know when my local events are. There was someone else. Someone else just bought a Beatles, too. Who am I forgetting? You! Greg Bone! We're not competitive players. There was more than just those three, though. Nope. Those are the only three people in the entire world that have bought a Beatles. There was another highly competitive player that just purchased a Beatles as well. I'm forgetting them. Also turning up this week, it's not just the Beatles. It's something else really expensive, and it's Elvirus' 40th anniversary. I told you, listener, we'd be talking about it. Dennis loves it. Oh, he's rolling his eyes, ladies. Look. Aw, Dennis. That's a double roll. I didn't think it was possible without getting ahead of it. No, this is fine. This is fine. This one is in a very unique situation versus any other model. I would say that it is a data point. It is a data point. Sure, it's a data point, but... Upon the trending line. What's to argue? There's a lot to argue there. Believe me, I know. But the number one, this was Elvira's serial number one. pinball machine for Elvira's 40th anniversary was auctioned off this last weekend. It sold at the record price listener That is a new threshold of the value of this pin sure the number one from Elvira is gonna is gonna bring bring you a premium right I get that I get I don know why but I some people work that way sure but after considering the additional fees and the shipping and everything $32,000 I think I think these things you're gonna start see them regardless of the number you're going to start seeing them over that 25 000 threshold as i've told you before as months and months go by without new elvira house of horror premiums being produced people will be scratching their necks a little bit stronger these things are going to go they're going to keep rising up just like batman sle and la did but you see the price of those things lately nope so i'm thinking to myself you know number 40 turning up nope also training up this week i have to turn this up because it stopped me in my tracks and that is listening to the music license discussion that was on the last triple dream pinball podcast did you get a chance to check that out yet no i'm still stuck in silver ball chronicles so i'm not doing what a wonderful episode as well but uh they were discussing what many podcasters discuss in post all to sleep what would be good themes right oh it's the laziest thing in podcasting or in streaming i said it i'll make enemies but when i hear a streamer a podcaster start talking about dream themes or what would be good and what it's lazy podcasting and streaming but these guys did so in a way Dennis, you're going to love this, that they brought up actual new discussion on new groups that we haven't heard before and why it would work, why it wouldn't work. And Travis Murie, all-star Travis Murie, even pulled up data to support his claim. It was phenomenal. It is exactly what podcasting excellence is. So wonderful, wonderful shout-out to the Triple Dream Pinball Podcast. Those guys are really, really doing a spectacular job over there. So you're training up. Are you pushing this because you want this new episode to eclipse the episode I was on, which is their most popular episode, more popular than the one you were on?
    56:18
    I was wishing you wouldn't bring that up, but yes, you're very correct. My argument is that as a show, they were still growing, so we're seeing some exponential growth there. That kind of explains the growth that we've seen in your episode, but numbers don't lie. You are correct. you have the most popular Triple Dream appearance and episode in its existence. So I bowed out to you on that one. We'll wait. We'll see if I make a return. You got me now, Creasel, even though Elwin can't catch me on Loser Kid. Wow. He's deluded himself because he's been on like eight times. Look, you can be the GOAT of pinball playing. You can be the GOAT of pinball designing. But when it comes to the voice and cameo appearances on pinball podcasts, Keithy, you can't be the GOAT on everything, buddy. But there's a space in the back of the truck here for you.
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    Like Keith L. when trending down this week. Oh, ouch. Keith knows I love him. Trending down this week is Pinball Brothers Alien. Shit. Oh, specifically the Pinball Brothers one. Damn it. I have some coming in. Three to four weeks. I've got some standards coming in. Yeah, I think I have a couple available. Why am I trending this down? I'm trying to sell shit. No. I only report the facts. And the facts are that worse than Legends of Valhalla here at Cincinnati, there were two aliens, one of them brand new out of the box, and both of them off for the most of the time.
    57:48
    My alien hisses at that outcome. Oh, how sad is it that a game can have such wonderful immersion, such wonderful code, lighting. This game has so much going for it, but they can't get them to work. I read online some reports that sounded like there were still issues, even with all the purported improvements that they made over the highway design, but I never saw enough to know if that was one-off things or if there was any sort of consistent pattern to the complaint. Damn it, dude. I think they said the first 10 games of the one brand new went out of the box, and it was broke. Wow.
    58:24
    Well, you know these games often take a little bit of tweaking when you get them out of the box the first time. I'm super honest with customers, and if people have inquired about Alien, is this wrong for me to do as a business owner? I tell them, if you're a first-time pinball buyer and or if you're a pinball buyer that likes low-maintenance kind of stuff and doesn't really want to have to tinker with things, this is not the pin for you. That's fair, right? Yeah, I'd say that probably they probably appreciate it because then they can consider a different game that's not their sort of thing and they know, oh, yeah, well, in the future. And I just don't want them to be surprised and calling me all the time saying, I spent this much on the – I don't – Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's also – that's smart for a couple of reasons. No, I think that's the right approach to take. You did that with Cosmic Carnival. You were – but in that case, I think it was more like I can't sell this. Yeah, I chose not to sell it at all. But yeah, this thing, I want to love this thing. I do – I love the game. But man, they got to get some stuff figured out. I'm terrified to get some. But I'm also excited because I will open one for myself, and I'll clue you guys in on the journey that I'm taking with it. Did you go with, like, Acid Cab or anything for their version of Butter? That's actually a really good idea. No, I did. I did buy the apron mod, though, with the acid burns in it. Mm-hmm. Did buy that. And I'll probably buy an LV version later on. We do have those coming in as well. I just don't know when. but alien is a man it's it's going to make many of you so happy but many of you pissed off at the same time buyer beware but it is trending down if you look at the secondary market even the primary market they haven't price increased lately but on the secondary market dennis they're not really going up either like the like some of the big lebowski's of the world the l virus of the world the godzilla's of the world right now godzilla premium in the box is selling for uh over 1500 $500 MSRP. That's not the case here with ailing rent. It's just not. And that's why it's trending down. Okay. Well, it makes sense. All right, Dennis. People want the goods. So let's jump into this week's deal of the week. Buy, buy, buy! All right, listener. You guys can check it out right now on Pinside by Pinsider Pin Banty 79 out of Cumming, Georgia.
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    That was bad. I'm sorry. They're selling a Godzilla limited edition that we know is selling pretty regularly for $15,000. They're downsizing their collection. They want to stay married. Their spouse is more of an ape lover. And this Godzilla LE's got to go. It's only got about 65 plays on it. Price is firm as it should be because they're only asking $12,950. Only I get it. But for the market right now, this is a deal. If any of you missed out on an LE of Godzilla, I'd say this one likely will be gone by the time you hear this. If not, bye-bye-bye! Bye-bye-bye! But sadly, I cannot say the same for the next item. In this week's Deal of the- WTF right over on pin side. Again, nice person I like. I like, uh, Lateralus. L-A-T-E-R-A-L-U-S. I am the Lateralus. Sell, sell, sell. Outside of St. Louis, Missouri, has a Deadpool topper for sale. He's selling the original Stern topper for $999. That in and of itself is a WTF because Flippin' Out Pinball has them in stock right now for $699.99. I don't know. Save you $300. Email us at zach at flip, the letter N, outpinball.com. Save you a few. But no, I want to redirect you towards the additional Deadpool topper that they have for sale. It says this is not an official Stern topper. I do have one for sale, though, however. Nobody's going to buy that. Now, this one is small. It's acrylic. It sits on top of the pin. That's what a topper is. You can use Velcro, but the Velcro on this one's even worn out. They're going to include it anyway, though. Who doesn't want worn-ass Velcro that doesn't work? But they're going to recommend you buying a small square or two of the Velcro just in case you... Oh, stop. Okay, so what's the deal here? Well, it's a bootleg topper. Is this where we're at, people? There is one topper. You cannot take a picture of the official Deadpool topper, run it through a scanner, and print it behind acrylic. No. $40. I don't give a shit if it's $40. Again, people, lateralists, send me a video of you destroying this monstrosity piece of shit, fake bootleg topper and I will send you $100. Bye, bye, bye! That's $60 more than what you're asking for this piece of garbage shit. Shame to any of you that puts this bogus-ass topper on your Deadpool. My homie Gomi deserves better. Coincidentally enough, we know that the original Deadpool topper, the thumb, goes up and down on a motorized thing. They've got this photoshopped piece of shit at the thumbs-up position. I object and think the picture they should have taken was of the thumb way, way down. Sell, sell, sell. Don't buy it. The guy that buys this buys the fake Rolex. If you can't afford a Rolex, then get out of the kitchen. Isn't it the saying? Or do you take the Rolex off before you make the chili? I don't know. Don't be the Folex wearer. Wear a Timex with pride. And there you have it. I've steered you clear here in this week's Pinball Market Trends. All right, Dennis, let's wrap it up. I've got to get back in here and sell some games. Yeah, sell, sell, sell. Sell, sell, sell. I've got my own Godzilla Ellie here. I've got a $15,000 price tag on it, and I've had some sniffers. And my, what is it, a bobber when you fish? My bobber's been bobbing. Bobber bobbing, yeah. But I haven't reeled in a big one yet.
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    Well, they're out there. Do you think it sells today? It might. I'm going to guess no, but it might. I also have a Batman 66 premium for sale that I listed. A little high, but hey, running the market, I get it at $10,250.
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    A little high. Loaded down with mods. A little too high for me, but... A little high. Beatles didn't get picked up yet either.
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    Zach, you're a liar. But that's trending up. You're a liar. It's just Cincinnati doesn't get it. They don't get the Beatles. Yeah, they don't buy pins. Just play them. This isn't Liverpool. Chuck, why don't you redo your show? Make it good. I was hearing great things about that tournament they were running. I was hearing that. I have to go back and re-vote it. I have not read up on that yet. SDT and Pinball on Twitch. Dennis, where can people catch you between now and next time? They can always email me, eclecticgamerspodcast.gmail.com or over at facebook.com slash eclecticgamerspodcast if they want to just shoot a messenger message.
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    I just keep picturing the Magic Mike riding a Clifford-sized golden retriever, eating chicken nuggets with honey dripping down his freshly waxed chest. Is there something wrong with me? Yes. What is his name? I just think of him as Magic Mike.
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    No one cares. I don't know why it's in my head. It's like intrusive thoughts. I don't know what's going on. You can catch me at thepinballnetworkatgmail.com alongside David Dennis or George Fisher, Dennis Creasel, any messages all there, and we will get them to who they're going to. You can also see me on Straight Down the Middle, a video series on YouTube, or email me there at sdtmpinball at gmail.com. Pinball Machine Showcase of the Week for Flippin' Out Pinball, our sponsor of the show. Oktoberfest.
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    No. Good luck with that. Oh, we're building more in 2022, and I think everyone goes, why? is the pre-order spot for cactus canyon we sold a couple more this week get in the queue now as a reminder ellies are gone se's we are not requiring a deposit on se's unlike many dealers if you want an se let's get you in line you don't spend a dollar until your game's ready to move se pluses they do have a deposit per chicago gaming they're charging us deposits so we got to charge you one but get in line for one of the other because these games are solid they're a lot of fun and I just can't wait to see what Lyman and Josh have up their sleeves for the enhanced code. I don't know when it's coming but I'm interested in it. I'm really interested in it. You can also catch us at FlippinOutPinball.com or email me at Zach, Z-A-C-H-F, flip the letter in OutPinball.com if you're interested in any used games that I've been talking about you can come by the shop and pick them up. So email us for used games we can ship them. Kind of a pain in the butt to ship used games but we can figure it out if we need to. New games, get on the interested list on a lot of these things we still do have a beetle spot coming in december here a lot of games getting pushed at the end of this quarter by stern pinball so let's get you on those interested lists and if you need an update as to if you ordered a machine when it would come feel free that's my job and i'm happy to do it i've got the best job in the world so email me and i'll let you know when we can get you one of those games and stern pinball if you're listening out there figure out a way to add a run of godzilla premium sometime next year i'm telling you please i have 40 people come up to me and show hey if i ordered a godzilla premium when would i get it you should see i was like measuring the dilation of their pupils when i said into 22 if not beginning of 2023 really didn't it just come in yep it just came in we've got our blades we've got armor we've got toppers i still have i think stranger things toppers still got dead pool topper we've got this that and everything for you and we appreciate the continued support i know i got sappy last time but i'm going to do it again because it's the holiday season when we come to shows like this uh thanks for your patience if you've been trying to email or call us because it takes damn near everything um to run a to run a large booth at some of these shows but we do it out of love and we do it of course and not silly we do it to sell pinball machines but it is a lot of work but we love doing it and when given the opportunity to bring our a game to some of these shows we want to be that person to be able to provide you guys with that experience so thanks for everybody that came out of pinsonati thank you so much for the support to chuck wharton team here just hanging out and coming up to us and saying how much you love dennis or how much you support what we're trying to do that keeps us going and it'll keep us going regardless of any silly trophies or official recognition recognition from you guys at a show or through an email no bullshit that that is gold to dennis and i well i'm not going to speak for dennis but that's gold for me yeah no i i appreciate getting getting feedback on the show but don't come up don't come up and hug me don't touch me has anybody ever come up to you and say they love me i get a lot of I love Venice.
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    I mean, I don't know if they use the word love, but there are some people that came up at Expo and said they really liked, like, oh, Zax, he's so nice, so honest. Can you guys hear what he's saying? He works so hard. This is a new one for me. I did have, I had more people than not, usually a lot of people agree with you on our arguments or discussion points. the most over-weighted discussion point we had was, for me personally, was our discussion over the distribution model and the sales model for 2022. I had more responses than I usually get that reach out and said, I'm sorry, I completely disagree with Dennis' angle here. That was a shocker. I thought you had the winning angle for myself, but that was a little shocker. We got a lot of support out there, Dennis. I can't be right 100% of the time. 98% of the time, it's not Too bad. For Dennis Creasel, I'm Zach Minney. And folks, if you ever are out there and you see something getting first, you see number one, and you're like, wow, that's great, just be confident that even if you're 40th, you can pull that off too.
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    And always practice safe pinball and act like you guys didn't drool a little bit thinking about honey dripping down the chest of Channing Tatum. Get out of here. Oh, you looked him up. Yeah, I did. I'm going to tell you. Have a great week, everybody. the poor budget of jupiter ascending was 176 to 200 million and the box office was 183 million i saw it in theater it was terrible oh was it so upset yeah even had eddie redmanian i have not seen this movie it's just it's just it's like it's sloppy it's like it there's just not a lot of context to it it's not like the worst thing ever uh it's just it's not stick with the matrix Wachowskis. Just stick with the first one. It's kind of like them toy stories. Just do the first one. No.
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    Ho, ho, ho. Shoot your eye out, kid. Oh, you knew that one. I'm so proud of you. I knew that one. Yeah, I knew that one. Okay. All right. Raw dog in the audio. Yeah, raw dog in it. Best doggone dog in the world.
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