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D&D preteaser hype/predictions

Don's Pinball Podcast (patreon feed)·podcast_episode·25m 37s·analyzed·Dec 27, 2024
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TL;DR

D&D Stern teaser speculation with designer analysis and design philosophy discussion.

Summary

Don and Ryan Barry (Phantom Tip Pinball) record a Patreon special on December 27th speculating about an imminent Stern Dungeons & Dragons pinball machine teaser (expected within 12-18 hours). They discuss designer pedigree (Brian Eddy, Dwight Sullivan), design preferences (lower playfields, dungeon theming, leveling systems), and the importance of thematic execution. The episode is framed around travel in Australia and includes tangential discussion of custom code mods (Avengers movie code) and community experiences.

Key Claims

  • Dungeons & Dragons teaser from Stern/Sam Stern expected on December 27th (Chicago time 6pm Dec 26th), within 12-18 hours of recording

    medium confidence · Don states rumors of teaser timing; notes nothing confirmed until it happens, acknowledges timing is still speculative

  • Brian Eddy designing Dungeons & Dragons with Dwight Sullivan on code

    medium confidence · Don reports this information as heard from sources ('I heard people apparently have seen it'); no official confirmation mentioned

  • Venom (Premium Edition) is fun but was not a 'wow game' and pricing strategy unclear; base Venom around $7,000

    high confidence · Don's direct opinion based on experience; pricing tier mentioned specifically

  • Someone recently traded Venom James Cameron's Avatar (Limited Edition) for Louis Toy Story Collector's Edition at roughly equal value

    medium confidence · Don reports conversation with unnamed collector; used as evidence of secondary market volatility

  • D&D game unlikely to be movie-based; more likely based on books/lore; movie would be limiting

    low confidence · Don's speculation and design philosophy opinion

  • A leveling/progression system with character unlocks is essential to D&D pinball; without it would be a 'failure'

    low confidence · Don's opinion on design requirements for the IP

  • Jaws retains strong secondary market value; Venom has experienced significant depreciation

    high confidence · Don contrasts collector risk between recent Stern releases implicitly

  • Avengers pinball with fan-created movie code is significantly more fun than stock version

    medium confidence · Don enthusiastically endorses Pinside movie code mod after experiencing it at Enzo's collection

Notable Quotes

  • “Even if this was the plan yesterday, you can still change your mind last minute.”

    Don @ early — Caveat on reliability of rumored teaser timing; reflects industry pattern of last-minute changes

  • “If you don't do a leveling up system in a Dungeons & Dragons game. Fail. Failure. You've failed.”

    Don @ mid — Strong design philosophy statement; reflects community expectation for D&D thematic execution

  • “I want something that would seem like it would be at home next to Black Knight. You know, sure. Yeah castles skeletons, you know, and that kind of stuff.”

    Don @ mid — References iconic dark knight theme as design precedent for desired D&D aesthetic

  • “So good pedigree. Good mix up there. Bit of a slip up with Venom, critically, even though I think the Premium Edition is still fun.”

    Don @ early — Tempered assessment of Brian Eddy's recent output; acknowledges Venom as commercial/critical underperformer

  • “If you grab a Jaws, you're like, yeah, dude, I'm good.”

    Don @ early — Contrast with Venom depreciation; Jaws positioned as safe secondary market investment

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyBrian EddypersonDwight SullivanpersonDonpersonRyan BarrypersonDungeons & DragonsgameVenomgameGame of Thrones

Signals

  • ?

    machine_intel: Dungeons & Dragons Stern teaser rumored for December 27-28, 2024 (12-18 hours from recording on Dec 27 at 4am AU time); no official confirmation

    medium · Don: 'as of this recording it's the 27th of December which is when we were rumored to get this teaser from Sam Stern for Dungeons & Dragons'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Brian Eddy confirmed/rumored as D&D designer with Dwight Sullivan on code; sources cite people who have 'apparently seen it'

    medium · Don: 'I heard people apparently have seen it and it is Dungeons & Dragons... Brian Eddy, Dwight Sullivan on code'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Venom positioned as critical and commercial underperformance despite Premium Edition being playable; cited as design/pricing misstep

    high · Don: 'Bit of a slip up with Venom, critically... it wasn't like a wow game, right? And I still don't understand the pricing'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Venom experiencing severe secondary market depreciation; James Cameron's Avatar Limited Edition trading at similar value to Toy Story Collector's Edition

    high · Don: 'we were talking to someone yesterday who just swapped their Venom James Cameron's Avatar (Limited Edition) for a Louis Toy Story Collector's Edition'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Community expectation that D&D must include meaningful leveling/progression system with character unlocks; failure to include would be thematic failure

    medium · Don: 'If you don't do a leveling up system in a Dungeons & Dragons game. Fail. Failure. You've failed.'

Transcript

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0:00
I'm ready mate. We should hit the intro music for this patreon special episode. Yeah, why not? All right, just put away the ASMR right the BettyRindows. We don't need those. All right, let's hit it
0:16
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0:30
that I'm currently vibing with dude. It's a final day in Perth man. Yeah. I gotta head over to Brisbane here with Ryan Barry, Phantom Tip Pinball, shout out. And we're gonna record a little bit of uh some impressions that we think we're gonna see over the next 48 hours here at some point. Now as of this recording it's the 27th of December which is when we were rumored to get this teaser from Stern for Dungeons and Dragons right? Nothing's confirmed until it happens. Even if This was the plan yesterday, you can still change your mind last minute. But even though it's the 27th here, it's still the 26th back in Chicago, it's 6pm there, so we got a good 12-18 hours until we finally see what is actually coming from the Sterniverse, but that will not preclude us from speculation. That's our game. So, okay, so what have we heard? I've had people apparently have seen it and it is Dungeons and Dragons and that's what's coming for what that's worth. Brian Eddy, Dwight Sullivanoncode, Eddy, as you know, Venom, Stranger Things, but also Medieval Madness and Attack from Mars. Yeah, yeah. So good pedigree. Good mix up there. Bit of a slip up with Venom, critically, even though I think the premium is still pretty fun. But like it wasn't like a wow game, right? And I still don't understand Paul Island the 8r7 And then venom is like $7,000 for the top end one, right? Yeah, we were talking to someone yesterday who just swapped their Venom LE for a Toy Story Collector's Edition. Alright, probably at equal footing there, yeah. So, like, the new in box pricing is such a gamble, you know, because if you go on one that just drops, like, you buy a wick, and it's like, fuck, dude. But, you know, if you got a Jawzeli, you're like, yeah, dude, I'm good. So, I don't know, I don't understand why they don't have dynamic pricing. I don't think it's gonna come in. 34육 Ken 3468 3562 3565 Crapman,
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  • ?

    design_innovation: Preference for passive lower playfield zones (ball locks, dungeons) over dexterity-heavy maze elements; full-size ball physics consistency valued

    low · Discussion of not wanting to 'navigate a maze' in lower playfield; Metallica cited as good example with coffin feature

  • ?

    content_signal: This Week in Pinball expected to provide major coverage on Tuesday (implied Jan 2, 2025); Phantom Tip Pinball planning content drops

    medium · Don: 'This Week in Pinball, Johnny Pinball. All we're gonna get level up one two twenty twenty five'

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    product_concern: Host questions Stern's pricing strategy and lack of dynamic pricing model; new machine launches positioned as financial gamble for consumers

    low · Don: 'I don't know, I don't understand why they don't have dynamic pricing... the new machine box pricing is such a gamble'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Fan-created movie code for Avengers significantly enhances gameplay; Pinside movie code mod cited as missing piece that transforms experience

    high · Don: 'Forget what you're doing if you've got an Avengers go find that Pinside movie code and put it in there... just putting movie scenes in there... that was a missing piece'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: D&D expected to draw from broader books/lore rather than specific movie; movie licensing considered limiting for franchise depth

    low · Don: 'if it is Dungeons & Dragons, it's not going to be based on a movie... the movie would probably be limiting. I hope that it's not the movie because the world of Dungeons & Dragons is so vast'

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    market_signal: Jaws contrasted favorably with Venom for secondary market retention; positioned as safer collector investment

    high · Don: 'If you grab a Jaws, you're like, yeah, dude, I'm good' (vs Venom depreciation)

  • ?

    community_signal: Community events like Enzo La Pagna's collection viewing and Pinjara (skate park pinball) highlight grassroots pinball culture and custom code adoption

    low · Discussion of visiting Enzo's collection and experiencing custom Avengers code; Pinjara women's event mentioned

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    14:39
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    17:27
    The I mean, I'm I'm I guarantee that the the CGC guys were probably just as shocked disappointed when they got those back Yeah, now I don't think they like saw that and approved it No, I think they sent these scalps off and they kept being told like okay six weeks six weeks six weeks Then finally they're here. Thank God. We can start telling people we're ready to go to production. Yeah open the box. The fuck is this? Can you imagine like oh no or no?
    17:57
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    23:13
    The best thing is like you can just go to the park that they have it set up and it's not like you have to pay fees or anything like that. Get out of here with that. Yeah. Like some places try to do that and it's like, I'm not going to go there. Yeah, just don't go there. Yeah.
    23:26
    And then we hit up the skate park, which was awesome. My muscles are still aching. Yeah, me too. But we hit it hard, man. That was awesome. Pinjara. Pinjara, yeah. Pinjara women.
    23:35
    The Pinjara girls. And the fact that just all around the world, you can go to a community skate park and there'll be a bunch of spray painted dicks. Altuister shines prestavloiro, I'm going to transfer from the blue dick to the red dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever gone backwards from red to blue though? No. Yeah, that's backside, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're goofy, I'm regular. So that's like easier for me to do the blue to black. Sure. Oh, Freudian slip. The dick hopping. Yeah, dude, like super awesome time. Getting ready to fly back to Brisbane for a couple of more days by the beach before we fly back to the US and I got to go back to work. It's like four in the morning at home the other night. We're just out having dinner. N Laneye Naigle, Syvents alias18AS2, ミー Daniposh, Alana Dambomueva Al Tuve, Brandon Machine Yayakina, Sam Bourani온, All right. Yeah. So hopefully, Patreon listeners, in just a couple days, maybe before I leave the sun-drenched country here, we'll have that teaser and maybe I can drop another episode. If not, it'll be when I get home. But holy crap, I don't know what the adjustment's going to be like going back the other way. Yeah. But it was fun. Come out to Australia, dude. Australia's awesome.
    25:11
    Yeah. And then this Airbnb has been completely fantastic, man. All right. And check out PhantomTale because I'm sure he'll be dropping some new content in the This week in pinball, John Papadiuk, Black Water, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, Twippies Awards, transliteregon