Drew, we were talking about you earlier. It's the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. The dude is like 40 grand in pins on order. Like, what happened? What happened to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast? They got too rich. He's selling too many houses now. It's like he's got a Venom on order, which isn't even announced. He's got a Godzilla and now a Guns N' Roses. So you had to change the name to like, maybe like Middle Class Man's Pinball Podcast or Upper Middle Class Pinball Podcast. Like, whichever what it is, bro. But you ain't no poor man no more. Last time I checked, poor people ain't ordering $10,000, you know, Guns N' Roses LE machines. Clearly, this guy's, you know, he's been misleading us the whole time. If you want to know what poor looks like, I can go walk down the street and show you what poor looks like, okay? No, it's Upper Middle Class Pinball Podcast now, Drew. You got to change the name to Upper Middle Class Pinball Podcast. Upper Middle Class UMCPP. UMCPP has a ring to it, bro. upper middle class pinball podcast is in the hizow oh snap thank you so much for the stars brother for drew see he's not poor he's not poor man he's throwing stars i mean jesus drew is just like this in our faces like i i feel like i feel like drew is just like that's not even his house it's like the carriage house he's got like a bigger house behind that house you know i i just I think we're all being hoodwinked. I think one day, you know what he's doing? He's just trying to test to see who will love me when I'm broke, when they've realized that I'm really not. Like, that's the poor man's pinball podcast. And this whole tribe, the tribe members, Drew, you know you need to make Canada a tribe member. Let me tell you something. It's worth it, Chico, to let me into the tribe, all right? I come there, promise that I'll make the tribe just too sweet. it's like sparks sparks i mean i would roll in to the tribe like conor mcgregor poor man's pinball podcast sponsored by with 1 000 stars flipping out i'm all for letting people know that you're sponsored by flipping out if only i had a way to find the number for flipping out thank god drew gave it to us you know it's like oh just hit up zach and nicole and here's their website www.flipnot.com. Now let's get the show started. right welcome to the poor man's pinball podcast episode 118 the one with the tribe member he is a repeat guest he's been on here what was that a couple months ago maybe uh we have the infamous jonathan hall how you doing today jonathan what's up drew hey what's going on man i'm happy to be back glad i could wrangle you in for another one um i was talking to john before the show and uh you know i was telling him he was he was pretty well received last time so glad he could come back and uh you know we can we can argue about some some stuff today and go back and forth with some some pinball pinball junk that happened this week and uh i'm ready for it how about you man yeah man let's do it i'm ready all right all right so in poor man's fashion what you drinking today buddy i am drinking a redemption weeded bourbon that a friend brought me on easter for my birthday my birthday was in august so i don't know why i got this birthday present a couple of weeks ago uh so yeah i'm drinking drinking a little bourbon you and ian always do the same thing when i ask you guys what you're drinking there's always like 10 words before what you're actually drinking. It's like superimposed wheat-infused barley bourbon wine. And with me, people are like, what are you drinking? And I'm like, booze and soda. He asked me if I liked a weeded bourbon, and I was like, yes, if it's brown. Wait, is it really past tense? Weeded? Weeded. Yes, weeded. Weeded? Yeah, wheat and malted barley. so I guess it's made with wheat as well. I don't know. It tastes like bourbon. It's actually really smooth, so redemption. No, I'm sure it's – I love whiskey. I love bourbon. But, yeah, for me, it's like you got whiskey? Sure. What is it? I don't give a shit. Yeah, it all tastes the same coming straight out of the bottle. Yep, absolutely. But today I'm not drinking whiskey or bourbon. I'm actually drinking Malibu and Coke. Nice. So, you know, just something a little different. I'm really, really hoping for summer soon. like i know you live at you live in nashville area right noxville yeah noxville okay yeah okay see see i remember yeah sometimes i did a little fact checking um so just so you guys know what's going on here in wisconsin and especially who's coming to mgc like it was literally 33 degrees today so the last couple of days i took the dogs for a walk i'm wearing like my poor man's skull cap and gloves and i'm like this is ridiculous it is almost may and i gotta worry about putting on a hat before i go outside because it's so freaking cold do you guys have like we have like micro winters here so every couple of every couple of weeks in the spring it like warms up and you feel like it's spring and then it gets freezing cold for a few days and it does that over and over and over again uh for four times i i don't feel bad for you you you have you have great Carl Weathers most of the year i could take it but this winter and the snow wasn't so bad but this cold has just drug on for six months now so i'm i'm ready for for some patio drinking some cigars um fortunately it is supposed to warm up a little bit this weekend so um we're looking forward to that and now john hall's getting a picture of my cat's butthole just came across the the camera here what's inside the cat's butthole i don't know um anyway i think i saw that on rush yeah no that's the poor man's butthole um so before i get too far into this we're just gonna you know we're gonna be we're gonna be a little organized today so you know we're going what's on tap right i should get some music for that what's on tap um so what we got on tap today we got um we got pinball prices everyone's sick of talking about them but you know i shouldn't say that everyone's not sick of talking about them everyone is talking about them a lot of people are sick of hearing about it i would assume but uh we're gonna talk about pinball prices we're gonna talk about market trends not trademark zach sorry it's not market trends just just market trends just kind of what's going on in the market um uh john hall and i are gonna go back and forth we had a little discussion on facebook earlier this week and uh we're gonna we're gonna do a little back and forth about what we think is going to happen what what's going on in the market you know what what we what the future holds so i think that'll be kind of fun um you know not don't want to make anyone feel bad but just you know just just some fun stuff uh we're going to talk a little bit about mgc um unfortunately our buddy here john hall will not be there he's crying right now i'm looking right at him and the tears are starting to fall down his face because uh we're gonna have a great time it's the ride city that's for sure that's gonna be great well we have so many great people coming and uh i'm actually picking up billy yj tomorrow from the airports oh man yeah yeah so billy and i are gonna spend the day together we're probably gonna do some day drinking it'll be a good time um i'm picking up tim lee and his wife on friday you know people are driving up friday driving up saturday from like the illinois area so we're we're we're poised and ready to go i'm not gonna bum too many people out but i'm gonna talk about a little bit because it is happening it is pinball and uh it's exciting so we can we can keep rubbing it in john hall's face all day today that's fine i deserve it i deserve it yeah next time you'll come uh what else we we have um pinball community and what this is there's going to be some uh there's some great announcements from some great people in pinball i just wanted to recognize them some great things just happened actually one of them literally happened right before we went on air today so we just added that in my awesome hand scribbled notes here um so i'm excited to talk about that we're going to talk about tribe multiball um not because it's the tribe um not because it's the poor man's pinball network but um because we want to rag on tim and ian um ian was on the show uh this week with rachel and tim and uh i want to talk about it because i think it was great uh and then what'd you learn today we're bringing that back because uh you know who doesn't want to know i do i do learn a lot from you drew like how to do a sloppy podcast um what what happens to be in my cat's butthole um what else um stuff about dildos i mean you just name it it just keeps going emu wars emu wars i mean you know everything um so so there you go that's what we got you think that's a good show i think that's incredible let's do it okay all right man well Let's start off with the market trends. See, I could never be Zach. My voice would already be done if I was trying to do that. Market trends. I worry about Zach's voice. Oh, wait, I'm not supposed to talk about Zach on this episode. I was told last time. Ah, you shilled away. I shilled. I loved it. Actually, he's sending me a shirt, Associate Shill, next week. He messaged me almost immediately after the last show, and he's just like, you've got to have John Hall on every single week. Ah, that's awesome. And I was like, was he great? He goes, no, but he talked about flipping out all the time. I know. Wait until you see the check he wrote me. Oh, no, wait. I just wrote him a check. Never mind. Yeah, I was going to say, I think no amount of checks that Zach could write us could pay us back what we've given to him. I put two of his kids through college. I don't know about you, but I'm working on a third right now. At least. Give us the rundown here, John. What do you think is going on in the market? How do you see the market today? Well, I've got – Go ahead. I've got some personal – poor man's pinball personal pinball news profile. PPPPN, go on. So I did – Mandalorian came to the collection a few weeks ago, premium, and that was an awesome, like, just purchase. I'm so surprised at how much I love that game. I was kind of just hoping to have something to play this summer before I kind of turned my collection, and it's been amazing. I'm really loving it more than I thought I would. I don't want to be a jerk by saying that, but I just feel like it's come under a lot of criticism. I'd only played the pro, got the premium in here, and we're loving it. My son loves it, the neighbors. Oh, I got that from Zach and Nicole at FlippinOutPinball.com. Yeah, the kids love it, and it's easy enough for me to play too, so win-win. no nobody's giving me shit about it i guess i guess i just didn't um i guess i just didn't realize that having played it on location having only played the pro and only maybe put 20 games on it i guess i just didn't realize how um great the theme was how great the theme integration was um it's my first um it's an eddie game so it's like my first eddie game um even though it's not really a fan layout still got that Brian Eddy feel to it and I just I'm like I'm you know it may be a departure for his typical game but I mean I think I told you the last time like I'm not a great pinball player I'm still learning how to play I don't you asked me how far I'd gotten on turtles and like I didn't even know because I just know that I'm trying to keep the ball alive like as long as I can but actually like there's something about the way the missions are laid out or the way the play field's laid out like i can kind of see the progression of the game um i can kind of see where the shots are i don't know it's i don't know if it's it's just speaks to me because it's just different but i can tell you that i struggle way more on avengers and turtles and i'm wondering if it's because they're pros like the premium just is a little slower because it has more stop and go i don't know typically it does you know except for you know maybe Godzilla, maybe, you know, there's a couple exceptions, but yeah, I would, I would say that most premiums slow down a little bit. Yeah. So I don't know. It's, it's so far it's, uh, just I'm really enjoying it. I would say if, if you thought maybe that Mandalorian was not like your kind of game because of things you've heard, you know, it's not like tournament players really don't seem to like that game. And I don't know, it just seems like it gets a lot of criticism, but, um, well, it, you know, you look at these games and it kind of ties into what we're talking about right because like you know if you look at a turtles on the market it's always a little cheaper if you look at mandalorian like you you can still get a mandalorian new in box now you know same thing with avengers pro for that matter though you know avengers pro are are in stock at a lot of places so um you know some games are just like that and they're just not as well received for one reason or another and you know yeah what it is and so that's that's kind of why i wanted to talk about that is because now all of a sudden we've got you know i've got three games that are all recent runs that are all in stock turtles avengers and mandalorian and so i've got i've got three games that i really like but that we could say i guess aren't in high demand because they're the most produced right now um but i think all three of those games are going to be held in like higher regard when the production run stops for a little while i think i think you're right i think most of them have i mean you know uh deadpool everyone was lukewarm on when it came out um you know shit even iron maiden right you know iron maiden took a while to get some steam yeah um so you know that's that's just kind of the nature of the beat uh monsters you know the monsters it's still less than a lot of other games but you know you can't just find them for for some basement bargain basement price unless you're tim lee unless you're tim lee yeah tim lee does amazing stuff with games. I don't know where he finds his games. I don't know how he does it, but that man is the richest pinball POS ever. I don't know. We'll talk more about Tim Lee later. We love you, Tim Lee. All right. So let's get into it though. Yeah. No, no, it's a good, it's a good segue. So, so, okay. Now back to the question, you know, what, where do you think this market is? So you kind of said that's where it is. Where, where is it going? What, what do you think the next 12 to 18 months holds for this market i i'm gonna stick with what everybody's saying like there's the bottom's not gonna fall out the bubble's not gonna burst i like what i know you were telling me and maybe it was wishful thinking no correct me if i'm wrong go ahead sorry what did you tell me i don't think the bubble's gonna burst on new titles i think that bubble is gonna burst on 20 year old titles being sold for new in box prices unless they're extremely rare i don't i don't know man i mean some of these games are hitting five six thousand and i i mean you tell me if you had seven grand in your pocket or six grand in your pocket would you would you buy a classic bally williams that you had to work on or would you buy a new stern you know well i for me or you that might be a different thing or we might even have the same opinion on that and i think we do but obviously somebody's buying them right yeah they are they So let me run down this list here, and you kind of tell me if you think this is – we'll say fair. I'm doing my air quotes. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. So what I did was, like I said, I have 12 or 15 actual ads from Pinside this week. And now this is what people are asking for. It doesn't mean they're selling, but I found ads that maybe haven't been up a while. If they've been up a while, maybe they are overpriced. People are asking stupid money. But then I also put what the price was roughly, say, 12 to 18 months ago. Wow. What are you doing, Drew? You're making a show out of this. Yeah, I'm loving it, man. Like I said, I'm trying to improve every week, even though it's still sloppy and fun. There we go. Flash Gordon, right? Flash Gordon's a classic. They made a lot of them. There's a lot of them out there. It's always kind of been held in high regard. This gentleman's asking $5,600 Oboe for one right now. Okay. Do you think that's a fair price for a Flash Gordon? No. Okay. I would agree. And I want a Flash Gordon. And a couple of – by the way, this segment is brought to you by pinballprices.com. Go to pinballprices.com. Check out all your pinball prices. Thank you, Doc Finlay, for all of your work at pinballprices.com. Buy Doc Finlay a beer today. So it has a restored play field, which is – that's a – That's a plus. That's a $1,500 value, let's say, right? Yeah. The playfields are available. They're about $800 or $900. You're including labor. Yeah, then you got maybe $1,000, $1,500. So maybe it adds even $2,000 to it potentially. I don't want to ever do a play field swap. I had fun with it, but we'll get into that. But anyways, 12, 18 months ago, these things were selling for anywhere between $2,000 and $2,800 for a nice one even. So we've essentially doubled in a short period of time. So we'll move on so we don't take too long with these. But Champion Pub. now now zach had the big debate is this a novelty game or not we could argue that all day it's a cool game with cool max everyone agrees to that right whether you love have you ever played champion pub no not in real life i played one on my v-pin of course that's it is it is a fun game um i do agree it is a little gimmicky but um no it's it is pinball and it was coded by uh none other than Dwight Sullivan. It's neat. Gentleman on there is selling one for $7,500. It's a pretty rare title, though, isn't it? It is more on the rare side, and I would say a year or two ago they were probably selling for about $445. So there again, we haven't quite doubled, but we're close, right? Yeah. So does that make it sound like the prices are going anywhere anytime soon. I'm not trying to stick a knife in your wound here, John Hall. But these are real numbers, right? Yeah, I don't think the bubble is going to burst. Do I think that used prices are going to go down yeah i mean i do they but but down down how much i mean well it it like it like we talk about or you know i talked to tim lee about it a lot but i know we talk about it too it's like to me having buying a new inbox title and selling it for 500 or a thousand dollars less a year later is like not the end of the world and it is absurd to me that you can put $1,000 to $2,000 or 2,000 plays on a brand-new new-in-box title and sell it at full MSRP or more. Yeah, I mean, that has to change. No, I agree. That part cannot stay the same forever. And I guess to your point, though, okay, let's pretend, once again, air quotes, it goes down, right? Yeah. Well, I would argue that any of these games we're about to mention here, if they go down $500 or $800, they're still priced too high. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'm thinking about new in-box games. Yeah, you're right. You're right. 20-year-old titles or whatever. Yeah, if Champion Pub goes down to $6,500. You're still paying too much. You're still paying too much for it, right? Well, would you think that people buying this are buying more for the nostalgia? Do you really buy Champion Pub because it's a better game than Mandalorian? no no you you buy it you know at this point i mean technology is advanced my thing with sorcerer right i i love the art the game the game's fun but you know it's repetitive and it's easy and you know whatever have you i had fun restoring it i'm probably gonna hang on to it for a while but you know shit i have four thousand dollars in that thing yeah you know it's it's not it's not worth near four thousand dollars but guess what i could sell a four thousand dollars so in theory it is worth that you know i guess you know however you want to put it but but just you know going down a few more here indiana jones has always been a coveted title right this guy is asking fifteen thousand dollars you know and it's not like high-end restore it's a nice machine yeah i was gonna ask if it was no no no this is not a high-end pin and once again if you go back to even 18 months ago it was probably 7500 bucks yeah didn't somebody sell like a the best indiana jones you ever saw like last year for that same amount or i mean there's a lot of money i think it was yeah it was like yeah 14 grand maybe yeah that was a high-end pin restore right um you know which is worth the money because he's literally putting on new parts for everything yep um but no i it's crazy here here we go munster's premium fourteen thousand dollars yep sorry guys it was actually 13 795 you're getting you're getting a 200 discount there i mean does it come with a topper uh i think it comes with uh alvira sitting on top of it naked i don't know i mean for for 14 000 i you know there's no pin in the world that i think's worth that much yeah but you know that that market's not well we could say that market's not for us but this is just a regular their game shit they stopped making this game only like a year ago yeah and maybe two now but whatever um t2 um i'm sorry t2 it's tz twilight zone this this would have been really crazy 25 yeah well we're not far off 12 795 dollars okay so so twilight zone right same thing a year or two ago you could pick one up for seven grand you know i saw a few for like 6 500 you know but now we're we're we're double that yeah and this list keeps going on and on i'm not you know what we're not going to get through this list because i'm almost disgusted just looking at this thing um but i i want a couple more i want to point out though lord of the rings okay lord of the rings has probably bought and sold and changed more hands than almost any pin ever i think i think I might be close there. And the reason I can say that is because everyone wanted one at some point, right? They probably made quite a few of them. So they've been in and out. And it's a long-playing game. Sometimes people don't want to keep it in their collection forever, right? Whatever. No game's a long playing game for me, Drew. Yeah, yeah. Well, me neither. I just, you know, the masses say it's a game they can play a long time. I don't get it. They say that about Simpsons, too, and I suck at Simpsons. Whatever. But they are now selling a standard run of the mill lord of the rings for ten thousand dollars and here we go again where when i first got into this hobby you know they were like five grand and i'm like that's silly i'm not gonna pay five thousand dollars for a pinball machine and and even even two years ago they were sixty five hundred dollars you know and i said yeah i don't really want to pay that for it and here we are. You know, at one point, I can't remember if we talked about this last time, but at one point, like, I think I saw George Gomez say that, like, 50% of pinball machines were purchased by the collector, like the homeowner, and 50% went to location. I wonder when... When was that? This was... A couple of years ago? Yeah, it was, like, post-LCD, like, post-Star Wars. It was probably... So four or five years ago. Yeah, you know. I just wonder, like, When they were making Lord of the Rings, it was when I got into pinball, so probably two, three years ago, honestly. But when they were making Lord of the Rings, I wonder if that was the case or if the majority of them were routed anyway before. Well, sure. Because in 2003, I don't think they were selling a lot to the homes. Yeah, I don't think so either. They were still putting them on location. I'm sure there were homeowners. Essentially, you're paying that much for a routed game, which to me is a huge difference. It is, but there again, that all comes down to what's your skill set in fixing games because you can take a well-worn, routed game if the play field is in good shape and make it almost brand new. Right? Yes. You've got to put some time. Time and money. Yep. But in that case, more so time. I mean, if you're changing out coils and stuff, it's not that wild. but my uh my day to east jurassic park you could tell it had 14 000 plays on it or you know i don't even know um and i have no idea how much time and money it would take to make it play like a brand new game but i wasn't interested i mean i like i like fixing games i like fixing things but i don't know there's a point no i'd rather i'd rather play it well i'm throwing this out the window because yeah, there's just these prices. But what I think, unfortunately, I think that it's not going to change that much in the next, say, 12 months. And here's why. Because we're still going to have supply issues, which we've been running into. It hasn't gotten any better. The backlog keeps getting further behind. Really, once again, until new people stop entering the hobby and i'm not i'm not saying i want them to or they should but i'm saying that that's a big part of what's going on here that um you know pinball is expanding pinball is getting more popular and um you know with the entry of all these new people who a lot of them seem to have quite a bit of money or at least some money you know they're going to keep buying up games and they're going to fall in love with the old stuff and they're going to start buying it you know the same way we did but the only difference is now they're just more expensive right yeah and how many people do you talk to that they're like oh i didn't know pinball machines were still made and that's that's a potential new buyer and it's it's it's crazy to think that these manufacturers are pumping out all these games even i mean even now even with the parts delays there's still a lot of games coming out of stern especially so it's like how i mean how have they not caught up with the demand it's crazy the demand has to continue to rise otherwise eventually they got to catch up sure well yeah they will and i mean they they made a big stride this year when they said we're not going to announce another cornerstone until august you know so they you know they could have potentially get five maybe at least a few thousand more out the door right before they announce that next title in august yeah well we're both waiting on a venom so we'll see what yeah yeah no it's it is venom it is coming um So yeah, I just don't see any relief anytime soon. And like I said, even if there is quote-unquote relief, they might go down a little bit. But you might see that where we talked about initially. If you buy a new in-box pin, you play it, maybe you lose a few hundred dollars. But that's still a pretty good value. Yeah, and I'm okay with that. I don't expect the bubble to completely burst. I don't expect the market to get so saturated that all of a sudden there's so many games out there that everybody just drops their prices $5,000. I guess if that's the definition of bubble burst, then yeah, you're right. That's not what's going to happen. But I don't think that – just like EMs. I mean EMs have gone up in value, but you can still get an EM for $1,000 or less. And at some point, the older titles are going to – that's going to happen to them. And that's very well. uh possible but i mean you know new in box um forget the new in box for a second every used game you know and i'm talking about you know from the 80s from the 90s you know early 2000s whatever you're talking about if you look and i've said this before and you know it's it's sort of like the housing market if you look at it over a long period of time prices have continued to go up they never really went down. Yeah. Right? You know, and, you know, someone, I know some people that have been in this hobby since, you know, 2008. I knew some people that have been in this hobby since like the 80s. Yeah. You mean the lucky ones if they kept their games? Yeah, the lucky ones. Well, exactly. But everyone tells me the same thing. You know, everyone bought a Addams Family for, you know, first it was $800 in the 90s, right? Then it was, you know, $1,200 in the early 2000s. Then it was $1,500 in 2009, right? So the games have increased in value every single year. The only difference here is it's increased much faster than in the past. Yeah. Can you imagine being the person that was like, okay, a pinball machine is $3,000 and saves for like five years. And then they're like, okay, I got my $3,000. Oh, I'm sorry to tell you that pinball machines now cost. Yeah. And then you save the extra two and then it's like, oh, sorry, they're $9,000 now. My bad. That's actually a really good – that's what happens. Yeah. You're right because I'll just use the classic example of Funhaus. I got in this hobby in 2015 and a nice Funhaus was like $3,500 to $3,800. And I'm like, eh, I don't want to pay that for what it is. Yeah. And now fast forward to 2022, we're up to $8,000. We're up to $9,000. We're up to $10,000 for that same game that I could have got for $3,500. Yeah, last year I was beating up a guy over, I don't know, $2,400 for a T2. And it's like that was dumb. I don't know. It's hard. I think people love this hobby so much, and I think it's hard to think that somebody doesn't have access to it. And that's kind of what we were talking about before we went into the show. Was that, you know, it's like there's always there's always that on location play. There's always that opportunity to play pinball. You just got to you got to find it. And there's there's other people out there that you can play with, you know. So I don't know. There's just it's a deep conversation. But I think I hope I hope that the 20 year old machines at least get more affordable. So people that want to enter into the hobby don't like aren't excluded from it. Like not everybody's a new inbox buyer. I wasn't. I wouldn't have been a year ago if I hadn't have bought a couple of used machines and sold it. And I think it sucks that other people don't have that opportunity now because the market's so high. I agree. But, you know, it's a little like the housing market, right, like I alluded to earlier. And I'm biased. You know, I'm a realtor. But same kind of thing. I mean, you know, if you have a certain job and you make this amount of money, right, you have the means to buy something, right? Unfortunately, that something might become a little less desirable, like you said, as the years go on. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. So right now, like I said, maybe you can't afford a new inbox. But, you know, if you can still scrape together three or four grand, you can still get a fun pinball machine. You're right. You're right. And I will maintain that until the day I die. Well, I shouldn't say until the day I die because maybe next year you can't get any pinball machine for $4,000. But I digress. If you have three or four grand today, you can buy something and have fun with it. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. And that's actually not that bad compared to some hobbies that you get into. Sure, sure. I mean people look at it like it's an expensive hobby, but it doesn't have to be. I mean, it is, but it's, I don't know. No, you're absolutely right. And I'm going to steal some, I've been saying this, so I'm glad he did it. Craig Bobby is one of the TPN correspondents, okay? And John and I were talking about this before the show. I'm going to steal a couple of these tidbits. I'm actually going to put in the recorded version. Sorry, Zach, I'm stealing all your content. Sorry, Craig Bobby. But when I was listening to him this morning when I was walking the dogs, And he was saying a lot of the same things I was. He kind of went on this rant in his correspondence piece about pinball prices, kind of what we're talking about, and how people keep saying, oh, I can't afford a machine and the prices need to come down. And he was just kind of like, sorry, it's not going to happen. You know, and then he gave very poignant reasons as to why. And much like I've been, you know, I've said this in almost every single episode. If you don't stop buying, the machines will not get any cheaper. And yes, I will fully admit I'm raising both my hands now. I am part of the problem. I buy stupid expensive machines I can't afford. I love them, but the manufacturers see that and they hear me say this. And, you know, I'm sorry, I'm not driving the market, but collectively we are, right? So listen to it. Like I said, I'm going to put a couple of the snippets here in the show. I'm going to insert them here. So you can go. Allow me to get on top of my little pinball soapbox for some pinball pontificating to the masses, if I may, about a certain topic that I see popping up almost daily now on Facebook, Pinside, and other social media threads. And that is the subject of price. Look how expensive pinball is Can you believe how much pinball costs? I can't believe Stern charges so much for these machines So many problems for so much money Back in my day, I could buy a used machine for $1500 all day long Blah, blah, blah Price, price, price And for good reason New and used machines are selling like hotcakes Both new and used Many of which are selling at all-time highs Sell, sell, sell Sell, sell, sell But if you think pinball prices are going down anytime soon. Friends, I got some very bad news. They simply are not. But why? Surely with higher interest rates, a sizzling economy that is slowly being cooled, damn boy, and improved supply chain, surely that will also result in a cooling off of our red hot pinball market as manufacturers lower prices and buyers and collectors the world over rush to the exit doors to sell off their precious pinball machines or simply stop buying, to which I say, eh, probably not. While slowly improving, our supply chain is still, well, pretty spotty. Anyone seen a Stern Topper lately or talked to a pinball distributor? And we already have an absolutely massive backlog of pinball orders when you combine all available finished inventory from the current roster of pinball manufacturers. Then you add a rapidly growing affluent pinball customer base that is only too happy to blow through those rising interest rates like rick james on a coked out 80s after party i'm rick james bitch buying practically every new machine that is coming onto the market to date cocaine is a hell of a drug so no not even the promise of multiple interest rate hikes are going to be able to cool this raging pinball buying frenzy that has taken hold of the hobby and while some rarer are sought after titles like pirates of the caribbean batman 66 or a virus house of horrors Prices may fluctuate slightly here and there on the secondary market. Don't look for any price breaks on the new and boxed side, as demand for new games, both from homeowners and operators, continues to go through the roof, as the pinball and home entertainment market continue to grow by double digits. Yes, pinball really hits that sweet spot, doesn't it? It's hip, it's retro, it features some of the world's most beloved themes, it's fun for the whole damn family, and the unfortunate magic bullet to guarantee high prices, They are extremely labor-intensive to make, and there are very few manufacturers in the world, I count one, hello Stern Pinball, that are actually making more than one title a year, which means it's still a waiting game to get your hands on those new popular titles. There is no pin bubble that's been formed or that's about to burst, as many speculate. This is simply a good old supply and demand issue for an extremely expensive, relatively rare, and capital-intensive device to manufacture that is designed as a commercial device to take small amounts of money from you on location and return for a few minutes of fun. So don't expect to see Stern or any other manufacturers start lowering their pricing as the supply chain issues start to smooth out, because while the world stayed home and factories closed or slowed down, consumers took to the Internet and did what consumers do best. If I want to watch porn, I can watch porn. They continued to buy things. And to help governments did what they do best print more money to ensure the party kept going with most G7 nations printing and handing out money like a Zach Manning Dennis Creasel and Greg Bone Secret Santa gift exchange Yes, the demand on titles of previous releases like Godzilla, Rush, The Mandalorian, and Deadpool are estimated to be 6,000 to 8,000 units deep at Stern, with total back orders valued somewhere between $30 and $50 million. That kind of order valuation would make even the president of Williams back in the good old days of dot matrix pinball sit up and guzzle that half bottle of Jack Daniels in the bottom drawer of his desk. That means even Stern, with the best pinball manufacturing production in the world these days, could literally make those titles for up to an estimated two years before they could even possibly catch up. You pair that with even more new Stern releases that are still coming in the months and years ahead, and the wait times for older, previously released titles will not be getting shorter. I predict previously released titles will generally take a minimum now of six months or longer to receive. Now you may say, that's okay, Ricky Bobby. I don't need to buy a new in-box pinball machine. That's for the insanely rich, or let's face it, just the plain insane. I'll scour the used pinball market like Elon Musk on a Twitter stock run and find myself a pinball market trend steal of the week. Bye, bye, bye. Bye, bye, bye! Well, bad news there as well, as the hot new-in-box sales market we were just talking about is also driving the bus on the used side, too. Unless people with collections want to actually downsize what they own, and not many do, they can't find fresh new titles to replace the holes in their collection that selling one from their precious lineup will create. And no one wants a hole in their home arcade they can't fill, do they? No, no, no, no. Or my personal favorite, let's have a buyer's moratorium. We'll rise up and just stop buying. We'll show those greedy manufacturers how dare they produce something for the masses and try to profit from our mad addictions. Yes, go ahead and stop buying your LE, premium, or pro models, and watch the literally thousands of businesses or people behind you only too happy to pay the price, and climb over your walking dead wallet. So you see what's happening here, everyone? The horse is so far out of the barn on pricing for both new and used titles that it's like daydreaming about real estate prices in New York City back in the 1970s. Those days are over, people, and it's time to move on. Now, I know I'm simplifying things for the sake of this argument, but I think it's time to face some facts. Our little pinball hobby has finally grown up and come of age. And isn't that what we all wanted? Isn't that what we've been trying to tell the world for the last 40 years? The golden age of pinball is actually now! But those high prices? Well, those are sadly here to stay. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side. Wait and see. And see. There you go. That was a good Craig Bobby. But what does that mean? I am not suggesting anyone invest, quote unquote, in a pinball machine, okay? But what I am saying is if you think you're going to own it for a while, go ahead and take the plunge. You're not going to lose money, right? So if you're in a position where you can afford to outlay that cash, it's not an investment, but it could be a – I'm using all these air quotes today. savings account right because we all know you can sell a machine pretty easily especially if it's an a title or a b title would you agree with that yeah i agree with that i yeah i was sorry i was i was you had me deep in thought like uh okay i oh my god what happened i know we we've derailed the we've derailed the show uh where's where's the emu emu wars yeah you know i i just i mean I do. I think about how much money I've got in my three machines. It is just like my house. My wife and I have plans to build a new house maybe later this year, next year, hopefully. Well, no. If we want to do that, our house has to be worth what it is now before we sell it and build a new one. I don't know. It's the same way with pinball machines. It's like, I mean, yes, they're expensive. And if if they were worth a lot less, then, yeah, that would hurt. And, you know, people that, you know, I don't know if it doesn't hurt, then that's fine. But you invest in your hobby and sometimes it doesn't pay off. Sometimes you wreck that new motorcycle or, you know, I don't know. This stuff happens. But I agree with you. You have to be ready for either, like, you may turn out okay in that investment and things may not work out. So, I don't know. Again, historically, you're probably going to be fine. Yeah. You know, it's the same thing with stocks and houses. Like, if you hold them long enough, you should be okay. The problem is people buy them and then they want something new. So, then they say, you know, that kind of thing. And I'm guilty of that, too. So, once again, part of the problem. But do you have anything else to add about these pinball prices and this fucking what? Please, someone buy my two Stern Pros for at least $7,500 a piece. I have a stupid amount of money in mods, toppers. I bought all my toppers from flipping out pinball. And, yeah. Insert show music here. No, that was great. That was great. Well, with the toppers, there's another one. We can go on a whole other discussion about that. We're not going to, but yeah, toppers, shit. You'll double your money on a topper. Yeah, not on Turtles. I'm still waiting on that one. I got a Star Wars coming in August, and I've got to sell my other games. I've got mods sitting here waiting, but I keep looking at that R2-D2 topper, and I'm like, oh, God. It's not – hell no. Oh, what, the Star Wars? Oh, no, I'm not buying the Star Wars topper. That's it. Nope. Oh, you don't – I thought you said you had it. No, I keep looking at it. Sorry. Okay, got it. No, yeah, I'm not looking at it in real life. I was offered one with my machine for like $1,500. It's the same thing. Oh, you serious? I should have bought it. Oh, yeah. I thought about it. and then I think he ended up selling it for like $1,800, and now it's worth $3,000. $3,000. Yeah, I should have bought it. So anyways, moving on here. Bruno has one for $3,000. We don't talk about him. Sorry, that's a kid joke. Moving on. What do we have here? I got my notes here. Okay, oh, MGC. It's coming in two days. John Hall will not be at MGC. So you can, uh, everyone message John Hall on Friday and Saturday. Tell him how much fun you're having at MGC. Send them, send them pictures, tag them in every picture. Say, uh, John Hall, this is what you're missing. Here we are having a great time, but, um, I'm not gonna spend too much time on it. Cause I know not everyone's going, not everyone cares. However, um, there's a couple of things I wanted to just touch on. Um, the tribe turnout, there is going to be, you know, we talked about it a little bit last episode. I'm not going to go through everyone that's going to be there, but there's quite a few, so I'm excited about that. But once again, I want to give a special shout-out to Rachel. Rachel Risto is running the tourney for MGC. I don't think it has an official name, so we're just calling it the MGC Tournament because I believe it's the only one. But she is running it. It's the biggest tournament she's ever run. We're super proud of her. I am donating my Sorcerer to be in that tournament. Oh, nice. So I hope it doesn't start on fire. I hope it's, I don't know. I played it the other day and yesterday, I think. Like a Deep Root Raza demo? Yeah. You know, I turned it on because I hadn't played it in a few days. Like I turned it on every other day or something, but I was like, and I played a couple games and it worked. Everything worked. So that was positive. It didn't start on fire. It didn't start smoking. It was a little easy because I think I got to jack up the back legs a little bit. Tim Lee, don't make a joke right now. The glass was on, by the way. So anyways, Rachel, super proud of you and what you're doing there. And I'm excited to see you, hopefully, on Friday when you get here. But yeah, we're going to go out on the town. Ian's going to be there. So that's super exciting. Yeah, look, John Hall's getting really, yeah, John Hall's just like, what the fuck? Now I'm missing out on everything. He just made this look. Missing Billy. I'm missing Ian. I'm missing Rachel. i'm missing uh mistress and i'm missing scoots and yeah yeah man that sucks he's listing off everyone there's more there's uh martin coin coin maker martin's gonna be oh man i still got my coin that's awesome yep uh we've already had two or three uh drunk casualties of the coins uh believe it or not i wasn't one of them uh let's see i think joe hood lost his i think Ari lost his. He lost it. I thought you were going to say, like, people laid him down so often that somebody got hammered. No, no, no, no. And then Dr. John. No, they just got too drunk and they lost him. We all had him, and it was great. So anyways, yeah, so we got that. No, it's just going to be a great time, and I'm really excited. But that will segue into the pinball community. there were two pretty big announcements today about what are we gonna call this poor man's people in pinball hey wait can i ask you can i ask you one mgc question did you see did you see that they were unboxing two like 40 year old arcade machines yes i forgot about that yes uh dan lucen and some people at mgc they put a mystery post up on facebook yeah i think 1973 they said right yeah something like that yeah they're still new in box yeah they have these these arcade games that are like sitting on a pallet in a box all wrapped up and they're gonna unbox them i don't even think they know what they are which is that's what i was gonna ask if if i had no idea i i saw the post uh it's it's gonna be great um several years ago there was a miss pac-man that was unboxed you know they opened it up it had one play on the counter that's crazy It was a factory test. Yeah, from 1981. So that one was like 40 years old. I think it was like maybe in the mid-2000s, but still very cool. And, yeah, I'm excited to see that. It's kind of neat. Yeah, I know it's a pinball podcast, but that's a really cool arcade history right there. No, no, that's arcades, drinking. That's awesome. That's super cool. We can talk about it all. But people in pinball, two really cool announcements. Greg Bone flipping out pinball just announced earlier today that Greg Bone will now be like their director of tech he's basically going to be handling warranty claims and if you have technical questions and help with some just general emails and different things so you know he's obviously been a big part of Zach and Nicole's life and straight down the middle and he's been doing all these great things with pinball so really excited for him Congratulations, Greg Bone. Special shout-out to another fellow realtor. Just so happy for you and the success. And Zach and Nicole, that's awesome that you're growing and you need more people. If you need someone to answer calls and drink booze, I'm here, man. I thought you were going to say me. Well, John Hall and I can do it together. We'll get on Zoom. We'll drink booze and we'll talk to your customers. What do you think? I think that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a great plan. I'm sure Zach and Nicole are like, man, we're not sponsoring that shit anymore. We just lost a sponsor. This is all because I had a scratch on my Mandalorian LCD cover. Oh, man. Yeah. So Zach had to hire somebody to handle my complaints. Yeah. Talk to Greg. Talk to Greg. Shoes you away now. Just call Mr. Bone. That's great. Tech Bone. bone tech oh does that is that made is that made by the company that brought you dick weights yes yes bone tech dick weights oh my god we gotta trademark that bone tech dick weights all right that is that is now in the interwebs forever yeah i'm gonna register the domain trademark um so yeah super cool and then I was we were literally about to hit the record button and Eric tribe member Eric and Ian and I we have a text thread that we do almost daily and one of them just sent a screenshot of American Pinball just announced that they have hired Randy McQuaid so for you guys living under a rock Randy McQuaid is the designer of the Sonic Spinball pinball machine. So that is super cool news because I can't imagine they're going to hire him and not make that game. Right? Yeah. How could that? They did it with Legends of Valhalla, right? That was Riot Pinball. They didn't work there. They brought him on, you know, hopefully he. David Fick said it. It was a TPF. He said we're looking for homebrew-type games. Yeah, sure. I mean, everybody was probably screaming, like, this is the game. Right, this is the game. Here it is. So very cool. Randy McQuaid, never met you, but congratulations. The game's awesome. I'm a huge Sonic fan. I've been following this for a couple of years now. Yeah, same. Yeah, I love what you're doing. So it's one of those games, no one's ever talked ill of it, right? Everyone's like, make this freaking game. This is awesome. I wish you guys all the best. I hope American Pinball can pull this off and get the licensing and take care of that. Yeah, I agree. I've been watching him on Facebook for a couple of years, put this thing together. It's incredible that just watching – I mean he'll just be streaming on Facebook Live and talking about how he put it together. and it was an awesome experience to be a part of, so I hope it pays off for him. For sure. If you asked a non-pinball person what video game or even just what would make a great pinball game, I think a lot of people would come up with Sonic, right? I mean, it's one of those things that's made for pinball. Yeah, I mean, the second movie, we haven't seen it yet. My son loves the first movie, but it just is now the highest-grossing video game movie of all time. Really? Yeah. It's a timely announcement because, yeah, it is the highest-grossing video game movie of all time. Well, yeah. Talk about getting lightning in a bottle, right? It's time. No, that's awesome. Now, not to be critical, but how quickly can they put it out? no that that is well the good news is it's obviously designed right you know what i'd be shooting for is sonic 3 because if if this is if this movie is so highly gross yeah make another one two or three two or three years you could be ready to go yeah well they say that the average cycle is is like 12 months for a lot of these companies yeah so that means they're they could probably do this in three to six months i would think because oh i designed oh i think the game would be ready to go i'm just saying do you want to you know for the launch and everything well i know popular yeah yeah there's enough pinball fever that you know you you put that thing out tomorrow it's gonna sell you know 5 000 units right yeah we we circle back to lord of the rings did did they sell more lord of the rings because the movie was out or you know yeah no exactly i mean yeah it's it's a great game it's a great license right so it's it's gonna sell and and Let's be honest. It's not the movie. It's the video game. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Go get them right. Just don't pull a stern and start doing your own animation. Take video game clips and do it right. He already put all that shit in there. I know. He already did all the work. I know. That's what I'm saying. He has a great game. Polish it up. Make it great. Manufacture it. Get it out the door. I hope they already had the license before the announcement. I hope it was set up. Well, they didn't announce they're making it. I know. I know. Yeah. No, I know. I'm sure it's been in the works in the background for a while. Who knows? Yeah. But, you know, we're just two drunk guys talking pinball. What the hell do we know? I'm not drunk yet. I got three more fingers of whiskey. Catch up. Catch up, buddy. All right. So, try multiball. Why don't you kick this off? You listen to try multiball, right? Yeah, I do. Tim Lee and I've been arguing a lot this week We've been fighting a lot Do tell Yeah, no, he wants to put a stormtrooper shooter rod on his Mandalorian And I just think that's wrong on so many levels Don't do it Thank you Not only did he do that, but he changed his back glass out for the pro back glass Which doesn't even have a stormtrooper on it So I'm like, bro, now you're just playing with fire, not flamethrower, multiball, or whatever. Anyway, so yeah, so he is on my shit list for the whole Mandalorian thing. It's kind of fun that we have the same game now because we're good friends, and so we're challenging each other on some things. But anyway, so yeah, listen to the episode. They were kind of mean to you, Drew. I mean you know you got three of your best friends in the world Tim Rachel Ian and what do they do They just run you down man Let me set the scene for the listeners here okay Because this is what happened. So about a week or 10 days ago, Rachel told me, hey, we're having Ian on. I'm like, oh, that's great. So if you don't know, Tribe Multiball mainly focuses on the tribe members. It's Rachel and Tim, Rachel Risto, Tim Lee, and they've been doing a kick-ass job, and they've done like 20 episodes, and they've had amazing people on. They just talk pinball and life, and it's just a great show. Sometimes they drink, and I think Tim Lee's always drinking on it, and Rachel drinks sometimes, and it's just this great mix of people. Anyway, so they get Ian on, and the day they're recording, Tim Lee and I are messaging, and Tim Lee's like, oh, we're recording soon. And I'm like, oh, cool, you know, whatever. So then he's like, do you have anything you want to ask Ian? So I just said, hey, let's, you know, right before that one dropped, Ian put out a four-minute episode on the Poor Man's Pinball Network. I had no idea about it. I don't care. He can obviously do whatever he wants. But I had no idea he was doing it. And, you know, he was kind of teasing that he's coming back, right? Yep. So I'm like, oh, that's great. You know, I listened to it. And I, by the way, guys, I seriously found out about it when everyone else did. I got the little alert on my phone and I'm like, what the fuck is this? That's awesome. And yeah, sure enough, it's Ian rambling on for four minutes. Talking about mini beers. Yeah, yeah. Just doing his Ian thing. I don't think he mentioned pinball once, actually, to be honest. But anyways, so he put out this episode. That's great. and then I'm doing my thing and then Tim Lee says hey is there anything else you want to ask Ian I'm recording with him now I said oh you're with him right now he's like yeah so I'm like cool I'm like ask him why he decided to buy a super expensive car so Tim Lee goes hey Ian this just in you know we just got a message from Drew tell us about this stupid car you bought Because Ian just went out and bought this beautiful, I think it's a 2017, I might get this wrong, Dodge Challenger TA Scat Pack. It's beautiful. Yeah. 350 horsepower, you know, this ridiculous car. And I don't think Tim called it a stupid car, by the way. Yeah, exactly. Tim Lee's too nice. So anyways, you know, and they were already kind of talking shit about me. But then Ian gets butthurt a little bit, you know, sometimes. So he's like, ah, fuck that guy. So then they just start lacing into me about Led Zeppelin, especially. And I want to clear the air about this. So if you haven't heard it, you know, basically they said, oh, Drew, Drew loves, you know, I love Drew, but he loves everything. And he never criticizes anything, especially pinball machines, blah, blah, blah. And I'm listening to this shit. And all of them are saying, yeah, he said Led Zeppelin is the greatest game of all time. And this is super cool. And even Rachel, even Rachel. Yeah. No, Rachel, I'm pointing at you. I'm calling you out, girl, because, yeah, all three of them, like, if it's true, I'm one of those people. If it's true, I'll just say, you know what? You're right. That's me. That's who I am. You know, no shame in my game. But, you know, they said all this stuff about Led Zeppelin, how much I was, like, stroking my dick about it and how much I loved it. None of that's true. I did say, and it's, guys, this is on the interwebs. This is recorded. I played it with Jeremy Schmitz at a local bar. They had the premium version. I thought the mech was pretty cool, the spinner. It is kind of a cool mech. But, you know, I said the same thing. I was like, this game, I would never own it in my home. And I'm not a huge Led Zeppelin fan. I said the same thing. I'm not a huge Led Zeppelin fan, but I'm a Zeppelin fan. I'm a classic rock fan. But the game is okay. The pro is barren. There's nothing in it. It shoots like a Steve Ritchie. You know, it's flowy, so it's got that going for it, but that's about it. So I don't know where all this came about, all this Led Zeppelin. Like, Led Zeppelin, if I could choose 10 modern Stern games, it wouldn't even be on that list. I'm talking from, like, 2010 to today, that would not be in my top 10. And they've only made, like, what, like 25, 30 games, right, between 2010 and today? Yeah. yeah i'm talking 12 yeah let's let's call it 30 i was on i was on stern's website digging down the the lcd the lcd list like i was thinking of all the modern sterns i could buy even if they're discontinued how many of them are there and i i'm sorry i didn't count but um it wasn't as many as you would think like from sure from the post dmd era like it wasn't error era um yeah so well so So, yeah. Yeah. So shame on all you guys. You guys are liars. You guys don't check your facts. We always check facts here on the Poor Man's Pinball Network. But great show, guys. It really was. It was great. I really enjoyed it. It was awesome to hear Ian back on the mic too, man. I was just about to say. It was awesome. Yeah. That made my day because, you know, I have never not said this, so this I'm very sincere about. You know, I don't do as well without Ian. everyone knows it you guys have all been very supportive and i'm very appreciative of that and i am trying to get better doing solo shows is incredibly difficult um i'm i'm gonna win 10 twippies but i'm not there yet um so i will say you know and i've been very vocal about that um but yes ian you know we're yin and yang right we we balance each other out we we both have our crazy things that we do or don't do. And, um, no, I, I miss, I miss doing that with Ian and I hope we can get back to that. So that's awesome. Yeah. So there you go. Well, speaking of a tease, he said he might be getting, or he is getting a promotion to work and it may free up a little time and, you know, I don't want to make, yeah, I don't want to make promises for him, but man, that would, that would be awesome. Nope. And if not, John, you're going to make a suitable replacement. Uh, no, no, no. But, but next episode, I don't have a cool enough car for that. Well, yeah, you're going to need a better car, but you're going to need to wear a kilt and slam two bottles of whiskey and take two gummies and – I'm doing okay tonight on the whiskey, so I'm getting there. And it's a weekday too. And wear your pair of edible underwear. And the dick weights brought to you. And the Bone Tech dick weights. Brought to you by Bone Tech, yeah. I love it. So is Ian back? I don't know. You know, we'll drop this episode. We'll see what he has to say. We'll talk to him this weekend with our debauchery at MGC, and we will see what is happening. So hope it happens. Hope it happens. But, yeah, listen. Oh, yeah. Put the drunk pressure on him. Like, put the bone tech on him. Tell him. Well, for you guys who are coming to MGC, Ian and Eric, this thread I always talk about, they were literally just texting, where are we going with the tribe meetup? by the way anyone's invited so we'll um when we find out we'll put it on facebook on our fan page right now we're leaning towards blackbird um blackbird's a local bar it's not very big but we could we could cram you know 25 or 30 of our closest pinball friends in there so um and they have they usually have six or seven games um and they they rotate them pretty frequently you know they have games like lord of the rings and alvira and um funhouse and uh medieval madness so they They've got a pretty good blend there, and they change them up every few months. I've got a question for you. Yeah. So I went to this place in Nashville. Glenn's going to kill me when I say this because I was there for like 15 minutes, but he's going to kill me if I didn't call him. But anyway, I was there for a work gig, and they had a whole lot of pros for $1 a play, and then they had a ton of LEs for $2 a play. so would you pay would you prefer to pay a dollar play for anything that's a pro or older and dmd or would you pay two dollars to play an le knowing that there's not many premiums on the floor at all so yeah it it really depends on the game right because like you know there's certain premiums that I wouldn't pay $2 for? They had a Monsters Ellie. Yep. I had never played anything but a Monsters Pro. Okay. See, that's the thing, playing that game, right? Because you want to experience it. Yeah. I think that's your answer. Yeah, just curious. No, no, I'm the same way because I'm one of those guys. For a while, I was purposely trying to play every game in, say, the top 200 on Pinside. Yeah. You know, and I think I've, I'd have to look back. I mean, I was keeping track for a while and I like to have that, you know, that app where you keep score, Pindigo. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, I think I've probably played 100 and, call it 150 out of 200 maybe. Oh, wow. Yeah, I got a pretty good list under my belt. And that's only because, well, A, Milwaukee has a pretty good scene. um you know we have dave Jeff Brenner here who owns 70 games by himself and i played most of those um i've been to seattle to play pinball um i'm actually going next month to oh this is a little poor man's pinball news for me uh my wife you guys know is a huge pearl jam fan my wife also hates vegas you should know that pearl jam is playing in vegas she said let's go to vegas I said who the hell are you I said you hate Vegas and she goes Pearl Jam is playing I'm like oh okay I get it so she bought tickets she booked plane tickets so at the end of May we're just going for the weekend we're flying in on Friday flying back on Sunday but anyways I'm going to go to the Pinball Hall of Fame on Saturday nice so yeah we're flying in Friday afternoon the concert's Friday night so we're going to have fun at the Pearl Jam concert and then all day Saturday I'm just going to camp out at the Pinball Hall of Fame you know play 200 games there play all the games the rare games that you know you can never find anywhere else and uh should be a good time nice my uh my wife and i went to vegas one time for a conference we were there for four days and when we checked in it was like a you know like friday to a monday or thursday to a monday whatever like and the lady that she goes oh you're here for a nice long stay uh that'll be good and i was like four like four nights in vegas and we got there at night like but that's the way vegas is just oh yeah yeah 24 hours in and out you're good yep yep no exactly well you know i said by the time the pearl jam concert's over you go to bed and then you wake up you're there saturday and then sunday you wake up and go down the plane yeah you're out so yep nope that is that is and when i used to gamble a lot more like i'd go there yeah three days is a long time in vegas when you're losing money if you're like billy yj you just sell all your dolls and you can afford to gamble for a yeah billy yj sold all of his his wife calls him like my wife the baby dolls the funko pops so he sold every one and people are like did you keep any you like he goes no he goes the addiction's too real so he he unloaded everything which which i get i've actually contemplated doing that with my comics for the same reason it's like you know i'm not using them i'm not really enjoying them you know i like them just fine but they're just sitting in a closet you know maybe it's time so we'll see maybe you guys you guys will have fun and fun in vegas take her take her to a nice dinner show her no we will no she like i said she's just she's not into gambling we we went a couple times i used to get these free trips with uh dominoes years ago we'd go every other year for this big worldwide conference and um yeah she came to me a couple times she goes i don't like vegas yeah you know it just wasn't wasn't her scene and uh she liked downtown vegas like old vegas yeah um she does like that stuff but you know she's just not into it and but pearl jam she will go anywhere nice she will she will buy a pearl jam pinball machine you know i i would have to assume at some point they'll make it you know they're just they're just too big of a band but we'll see so i hope it's good because it's coming home so I hope it's not like Led Zeppelin. The Pearl Jam Ellie. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that'll be my first Ellie. Eddie Vedder sings like he has a mouth full of rocks, so your box full of rocks should repair that machine just fine. Poor man's rocks in Eddie Vedder's mouth. Yeah, yeah. What a visual that is. Drew's rocks in Eddie Vedder's mouth. Yep. Now I'm just making myself chuckle. Well, this is great, man. This is fun. You help carry the show, man. I love that. Without you, I'm just some idiot blabbering about pinball. With you, we're two idiots blathering about pinball. Thank you so much. Yeah, I appreciate that accolade. No, no, seriously. John Hall, he's a tribe member. He is amazing. Send us your feedback, guys. PoorMansPinball at gmail.com. text me 414-828-3739 or um text canada 1-800 canada i don't know what his number is um so yeah what else anything else you want to add oh what'd you learn today oh man i learned that we can gang up on uh ian uh tim and rachel and yeah and we can fight back um i'm not sure that I supported you enough in that matter, but. No, no, you did good. Damn, y'all leave my Drew alone now? I love it. And Tim, stop arguing with me all the time. You know I'm right. Do you know that that dude tried to buy an Ultraman and a Halloween? Yes. And have them side by side? Yes. And then Ian tried to defend him on that. I'm like, dude, no. No. No. No. Tim Lee, I do stupid things with pinball. You can't do that. Can't buy the same game. Can't buy the same game. No, you're right. It's the same. Well, it's not the same game. No, it's the same game. I mean, you know, it's like the Shrek family guy thing. Could you imagine having a Shrek and a family guy? I can't imagine having a Shrek or a family guy. See? See? I don't love every game, guys. That was a cut on both of those games. Oh, no. Yeah. Look what you awoke in me, you guys. Tim Lee sucks at pinball. Ian sucks at podcasting. Rachel Risto, you're still okay. We still love you. Yeah, you're the best. Yeah, she's the best. You truly are. But what I learned today, I learned that we're going to trademark dick weights by Bone Tech. So I hope that catches on. I'm actually going to hashtag that on the Poor Man's Pinball fan page. Sorry, Greg Bone. You are now... Bone Tech. Oh, my gosh. I don't know why. Registered trademark. Yes. It just makes me laugh. Don't worry, Greg Bone. We'll give you your royalties. It's well-deserved. Thank you for joining us. This is episode 118. Anything else, John Hall? Nope. I'm good. Love you guys. Love you, too. That was good, man. 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