SDTM Episode 82: Spider-Man Vault Pinball Machine Review

Straight Down the Middle·video·48m 44s·analyzed·Dec 15, 2018

Analysis

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TL;DR

Spider-Man Vault praised for art/shots/toys but severely hampered by poor callouts and sparse music.

Summary

Greg Bone and Zach Sharp review the Spider-Man Vault Edition pinball machine from Stern, praising its art (A/A+ rating), layout and shots (A-/B+ rating), and toy innovations (A rating), but heavily criticizing its callouts and music (C/C- rating), which they describe as campy, sparse, and poorly performed by a single voice actor attempting to cover multiple characters. The review reveals significant quality control issues with ghosting inserts on earlier production runs and magnet problems on Doc Ock, though later Vault units have been improved with upgraded components. Despite strong mechanical and visual execution, the subpar audio presentation significantly diminishes the overall enjoyability and has reportedly caused some collectors to sell their machines.

Key Claims

Spider-Man Vault features callouts performed by a single voice actor trying to cover multiple characters, resulting in campy, poorly differentiated character voices
high confidence · Greg: 'These callouts sound like they are done by one voice actor trying to cover the scene. It's just way too happy... Green Goblin goes to town... that's what it kills it.'
Earlier production runs of Spider-Man Vault have significant ghosting insert problems, with later runs showing improvement
high confidence · Zach: 'originals do have a lot of ghosting inserts... the later runs, like mine, is basically brand-new. And there's yeah, there's nothing on it at all.'
Doc Ock magnet on Spider-Man Vault was upgraded from original to use protector design like Walking Dead, addressing consistency issues
high confidence · Zach: 'the Vault upgraded to the magnets like on The Walking Dead... a lot more consistent. A lot more protectors on ramps and metal.'
The Sandman ball-kicking mechanism shoots the ball extremely hard into the pop bumpers, creating a jarring impact similar to a 'slam ramp'
high confidence · Greg: 'it just like throws the ball down there... like the slam ramp... When I'm like, oh my playfield... it's like hard... coil buck. BAM, straight into it's like hard.'
Spider-Man Vault's combo-heavy rule design makes the game feel better to play than typical Steve Ritchie designs despite having more stopping points
medium confidence · Greg: 'when you start comboing this game, it feels phenomenal... when you have all those lit shots lit and you start comboing, you hit all those shots out with just on-the-fly combos. Then it feels good because you're not stopping.'

Notable Quotes

“These callouts sound like they are done by one voice actor trying to cover the scene. It's just way too happy.”
Greg Bone@ 25:52 — Core criticism explaining C/C- music/callouts rating; identifies major design flaw affecting overall enjoyability
“I sold it just because of the way it sounds... the callouts. This pin stain in your collection... solely because of the callouts.”
Zach Sharp (quoting friend 'Chris'/'Kamé')@ 27:01 — Evidence that poor audio design has driven collector divestment despite game's other strengths
“It's like that house enacting be that bad idea... The callouts are the callouts to me are those stupid Hallmark movies than my wife watches during Christmas.”
Greg Bone@ 30:10 — Harsh comparison illustrating perceived tone-deafness of callout direction; connects audio design to broader directorial choices
“It's loaded. Fantastic. Compared to some of the Stern stuff. It is. It's super loaded. And it feels but built, the Vault feels very well-built.”
Zach Sharp@ 23:55 — Acknowledges Spider-Man Vault's mechanical quality and toy density despite audio criticisms
“When you have all those lit shots lit and you start comboing, you hit all those shots out with just on-the-fly combos. Then it feels good because you're not stopping.”
Greg Bone@ 20:55 — Explains why combo flow feels better than typical Steve Ritchie games despite more stopping points mechanistically
“You're gonna get a lot of playfield wear because someone look at that... the Vault upgraded to the magnets like on The Walking Dead.”

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyGreg BonepersonZach SharppersonSteve RitchiepersonSpider-Man Vault EditiongameThe Walking Deadgame Star Trekgame Metallicagame

Signals

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sentiment_shift: At least one collector ('Chris') sold Spider-Man Vault machine entirely due to callout quality; indicates broader player dissatisfaction with audio design
medium · Zach: 'Chris said that was the single, the single reason he got rid of that pin was the callouts... sold it just because of the way it sounds'
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design_philosophy: Callout and music design fundamentally misaligned with Spider-Man theme; single voice actor attempting multiple characters creates campy, annoying effect that diminishes game enjoyability
high · Greg: 'These callouts sound like they are done by one voice actor trying to cover the scene. It's just way too happy... The callouts are the callouts to me are those stupid Hallmark movies'
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design_philosophy: Spider-Man Vault's combo system design (multiple lit shots requiring sequential hits) creates better flow and 'on-the-fly' gameplay than typical Steve Ritchie machines despite having more mechanical stopping points
medium · Greg: 'when you start comboing this game, it feels phenomenal... when you have all those lit shots lit and you start comboing, you hit all those shots out with just on-the-fly combos. Then it feels good because you're not stopping.'
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product_strategy: Sandman feature upgraded from plastic ball-kicking component to metal construction in Vault version, though impact force remains problematic
high · Zach: 'a regular Spider-Man, it's a piece of plastic. This one is a metal... it does hit hard. You kind of cringy. But it's neat because you don't see it.'
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product_concern: Doc Ock magnet mechanism originally had durability/consistency issues resolved in Vault version through upgraded design with protective components

Topics

Spider-Man Vault Edition machine review and ratingsprimaryCallouts and music quality criticismprimaryPlayfield layout, shots, and flow analysisprimaryArt package and cabinet aestheticsprimaryQuality control issues and manufacturing improvements between production runsprimaryToy mechanisms and mechanical innovationsecondarySteve Ritchie design philosophy and comparison to other designerssecondaryComparison to other Stern and Marvel pinball releasessecondary

Sentiment

mixed(0.45)— Strong praise for art, layout, and mechanical execution (A/A+/A ratings), but severely dampened by extremely negative assessment of callouts and music (C/C- ratings). The audio design is described as so poor it drove at least one collector to sell their machine and significantly impacted reviewers' overall enjoyment despite acknowledging excellence in other areas. Zach's ownership of machine and willingness to buy despite knowing callout issue suggests appreciation for physical qualities overcomes audio problems for some, but Greg's position that callouts make game 'boring' and unenjoyable represents significant concern.

Transcript

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what what's this a K Simmons nope that character's name oh I have no clue the boss yeah that's who I'd be spider-man Peter crazy you would be goblet Hobgoblin it's green goblin goblin goblin Green Goblin like the Hobgoblin too but okay so here we go like this look at him just your daddy's step flashing back there belonging people that's humming - we're reviewing spider-man but not any spider-man that's the Shocker oh it's not but we are we're reviewing this spider-man vault the dish [Music] okay work back on track sorry in front we are prohibited all the spider-man yeah the vault edition okay one of my favorite pins yep ruining it for people I was just hoping we'd never review this why you'll see yeah there's some problems with this spider-man bowl I don't know spider-man who sold it to you is ected to make up for the price right I'm great price that's a good price like I said I've almost great quality I bought almost all my pins except for other people why you buy from me go ahead tell him what do you buy for me cuz your clothes tell him the truth [ __ ] hello I trust you Oh trusted yeah things better than drowning two or three hours to look at a pen that's a piece of [ __ ] that somebody says is home use only looks fantastic nothing wrong with it and half the damn cabinets plankin and there's everything else you buying crabs so my good price on this bowl I agree very low plays it was and that's why I won with them and I immediately regretted it we'll find out why at first we're gonna go to the overview in the gameplay of spider-man bolt by Greg bone here cuz I sure as hell don't want to do it here we are with stern spider-man vault edition start over here to the left with our Green Goblin modes it's a series of five stand up targets hit those stand up targets to complete green with envy fire fighting Spidey falls from MJ then directly to the right of that is your orbit with spinner responsible for your extra bowl and ball lock then orbit comes all the way around like a traditional orbit or it is stopped by a pop-up post which will divert the ball into a scoop behind Sandman which then returns via this buck that goes into the pop bumpers pretty hard hit to directly to the right of that is another stand up target which is responsible for your light ball lock then to the right of that is your third flipper shot oh you killed me with that one I hit a bumper or a freaking button that third flipper shot then goes up to venom hits that rubber piece falls back into the ball gate rolls over to the left wire form and returns to your left flipper your venom shots are goo on you symbiote stalker and victim strikes twice directly to the right of that is your left ramp the left rent can also be used to help complete your your modes comes up does 180 degree been fairly tight right behind venom into the wire form and returns to your left flipper drinkler to the right of that is your Sandman shot stay up the middle very much like a tack from Mars hit their three Bank stand up that Bank drops down you know how I've access to the inside of Sandman you've got two targets on the left and the right there hit those or the center Sandman will rise up they can now have access to the scoop behind him shoot it into the scoop and again it will return through the buck into the pop bumpers completing your Sandman mode your Sandman modes are as follows out of the slammer time is money and concrete ending to the right of that is your right wrap another 180 degree bend not as quite as tight as your left wrap around to the wire form and back to your right flipper then you have your three rollovers which spelled Webb in the back pop bumpers then your doc Ock's shot this one of my favorite shots of the game your Doc Ock modes are responsible for multiple multi balls you'll hit it in the scoop underneath Doc Ock once you hit that so many times Doc Ock will lower then you will use that blue pad is like a bash toy you hit it falls into the magnet magnet grabs the ball and it starts your multiball for your Doc Ock modes you Doc Ock modes or as follow lend me a hand ox Oscorp outing kind of a tongue twister and in battle on the bridge once you hit that scoot Doc Ock has another one was just like Sandman a little half a half loop bump there that shoots out but this time it returns it to a wire form instead of your pop bumpers to the right of that is your right orbit again responsible for another ball lock goes around don't hit hard enough your hand up in your roll overs or if you're in ball lock you're gonna hit that that post diverter again and divert in behind the Sandman for your ball lock down here to our third flipper raise that third flipper up you got your spidey sense shot behind it comes down rolls into your right in Lane then besides all of your your villain shots you have some other modes you have tell MJ jack-o-lantern Daily Bugle the amazing spider-man and electro along with those you have battle royale here battle royale is like a a mini wizard mode if you complete two of your green Goblin's two of your Venom's two of your Sandman's two of your doc Ock's you will start battle royale for big points it's another multi-bulb mode your other modes tell MJ a jack-o-lantern that is started by hitting your white spidey shot so any of the white Spidey shots second before there can be 5 that are lit depending on of what your skill shot consists of once you hit all those white shots your white shots will all start blinking again if you directly hit one of the orbits you will automatically start that mode if not then you just hit say let's say the left ramp then you will have to still hit one of the orbits after that to be able to start that mode and that's how you start your regular modes once you've completed all your villains and you've completed all your modes you go into the wizard mode of super hero and that my friends is spider-man rolling right back into it mr. bone it's a neat long game it is I like the overview did a nice layout you did a good job thank you for anything like the lighting that you did via Comet in Bowl yeah super subtle like I've made a video on face on youtube or on Facebook yeah but man like one of the problems that I had with this pin when I got it are the flashers the flashers are pointing at you and stern has an 8 SMD flasher pointed directly at your face not up not any one side of that web directly at your face there's the two in the back and then there's one on the worst one was the dock dock one is in your face so I end up taking some of the bendable flashers and there's still I don't for SMD uh helps more now I think it's like a six or eight maybe on there are you pointing but I pointed it down so now it disperses off the play field truly was ten times better looking because you still retain that brightness but it's not pointing at your face and it scatters across the plastics in a play field so it gives an effect very much more similar to the regular spider-man yeah I'm on there but yeah I liked it and the spotlights to on the characters weren't very bright so I hope those to be able to just showcase those characters because that is one thing the vault has gone well we'll talk about when we get in this other stuff my pinball yeah it's freaking a look so let's start with art now the vault took an upgrade on the in the art department in my opinion yes figures of the traditional mid 2000 Stern version so this is loosely based off of ultimate spider-man which came out in the early 2000s maybe 2000 2000 2001 maybe or so book series yeah a comic book series they sort of retooled Spider Man gave him more of a coming-of-age okay a thing art was different like I said you know it incorporated more a more modern Spider Man now it was retelling a Photoshop no no no and it was a retelling of the story fantastic art me and if you've never read the ultimate display so much so that you're in a plus on the art yeah it's beautiful the cabin the side of the cabinet the head is gorgeous the playfields it's pretty nice I mean it I think it's pretty and held true Danny I spider-man the black and their red one down at the bottom yes oh yeah yeah I'm in an a - not the a materials feel great yeah it's beautiful not one of my favorite or packages I think the back glass is kind of where it throws me a bit it looks like a page out of a comic book than presenting a pinball machine I agree you know as beautiful as it is something just kind of throw me off it's nice a little bit yeah so with that being said a - it's a gorgeous pen but actually happenin is one of the most beautiful you'll ever see like we're talking enhancements art wise they have the die-cut webslinger yes and the just fantastic looking for things that sold me on and in I told Zack and I think he disagreed with me but I thought that the colors I thought the vibrancy of Iron Maiden's cabinet I love that side on that that pro charm is Lee it's a good look but I've got it next to an Iron Maiden I actually think this spider-man camo is more beautiful than Iron Maiden so he is gorgeous person it's hard to compare the two because one thing we really enjoy one thing we weirdo yeah but I still like I can separate it I can't I can't I just it's just it's freaking beautiful it's gorgeous but yeah I mean very very nice okay so you're in a plus I'm in an a - there's nothing wrong with the art on spider-man no let's talk about the shots and layout now we know this is a Steve Ritchie yes a lot of people's favorites Steve Ritchie yes true it was my friend have a Steve Ritchie because it is a third flipper which you did on Star Trek but the ball stops more than it does a typical Steve Ritchie it does it really does you got drop gates that stops behind you had a magnet and Doc Ock that stops behind ya you have the side ramp and Venom that it really kind of stops before it trickles into yeah it does almost stop but it's like a is such a brief just to line up the show not the I know the readers - with Steve Ritchie oh but it is it be my argument this is okay this is the thing that I think about it is I I agree with those I agree with those areas more stop than any other Ritchie game probably but the flow is there's tremendous I mean when you combo when we get into to to the code I'll explain this a little more about it but when you start comboing this game it feels phenomenal and it does that not in Star Trek that uh yeah actually yes and I will tell you why I'll tell you I'll tell you why when we get to the code II know why that it feels better and and I think that you're gonna be hard-pressed to not agree but I won't agree I think it's phenomenal the thing that gets me though is like Star Trek it's not the smoothest in ramp system do you agree like they're almost there out Gomez II but they're almost like yeah they they just up and back yeah it kind of hit a little hard it's not at this narrow - it's not a superswim there yeah yeah it's not a super smooth reach that looks loaded it's filled oh yeah oh yeah smooth but it shoots so phenomenal like I said does it yeah what's your favorite and least favorite thing shots on this game and I'll tell you mine uh favorite shot probably venom shot oh this is a feel-good [ __ ] it's a very feel good shot you get a nice little light show with it stuff yeah but it feels good it's neat the way that that that return is I think you know straight but the way it drops down and goes I think it's phenomenal least favorite shocks the least favorite shot like under the flipper kind of thing you know what uh I'll tell you this this is the weirdest thing least favorite shot is maybe the orbits oh and they're smooth but the reason I don't like the orbits is they're actually kind of tough to hit they are tough let's do it yeah and so that's probably my least favorite shot it even a game honestly my favorite shot is the the diverter shot around the back like we're sure to though yeah and it goes a little spot back there yeah yeah it goes behind well yeah the lock your ball bag it goes into the sand man behind Sandman yeah I really like that yeah least favorite is when it oh and this kills it for me on shots and layups you're at an A so perfect report card so far from you a plus one day I'm gonna be plus I hate hate hate I think that ramps are gonna clunky yes what I'm saying clunky clunky because they're plastic but they're kind of go messy they're just not smooth no smooth as I like but I hate the shot that comes out of saying man into the drops or into the pops it just like throws the ball down there and makes yeah yeah it's like the slam ramp on no-good Gophers when I'm like oh my play field yeah that is a coil buck BAM straight into it's like hard oh really which is something that they upgraded on this one because a regular Spider Man it's a piece of plastic this one is a metal doesn't flip but I think it's neat no it doesn't feel good cuz it does hit hard you kind of cringy but it's it's neat because you don't see it and they do that out of Doc Ock - but Doc Ock goes into a wire wire form thank God so yeah so it's not bad but I don't like as much I'm gonna bend plus it's good shooting game it is true that's also rules and code okay rules and code oh my do you add look at you what do you have B - I'm gonna be - that's freakin lame that's freakin lame let me tell you I think it's perfect for for cards do you know what got me with this okay I don't cuz I'm gonna be - it makes no sense to me so you have your your your villains that you're shooting you shoot a hundred no yeah you do you do so it's sort of chopped no you shoot him like three times and so it's kind of choppy sort of like you're you're what you tell like what you do with miss Lyman F. Sheats Jr. yes we made it progressively because each of them have three phases there's three modes per character and each of those then you gotta up it more and more on Metallica you know the the tough thing about venom is that you get your venom shot that's the left ramp and you've got your third flipper shut that's get them well then on your your last venom it's you can only complete it by shooting off of the third flipper up belief okay I'm not one person on that but I'm like would a ninety percent certainty so that adds a little bit of toughness but that's not why that I like it because I do enjoy that it doesn't bother me if I mean listen me yes it does get a little better so if that was the only thing that I had to do yes I would I would think it was kind of [ __ ] but you've also got your sub modes with amazing spider-man tell MJ all this so the way that you access those this is why this is why I think the combos feel so freakin amazing in this pin is because all your shots are like well actually some of them will go out depending on I guess what we're all over almost like your skill shot okay you'll lemonade like I don't know certainly one or two of your flashing white shots and it's random which one I might not be random either don't listen to me on that but so now you've got to shoot all those white shots once you shoot all the white spider-man shots and all the white spider-man shots will start flashing and then you hit one of those yeah then you've got to hit the Orbitz so that's how you're hitting like mine's metal lost world you have four or five shots in the game then all in flash you just hit one other shot then you've got to hit the Orbitz to start that mode that is it can be difficult as hell can you stack you can stack stuff to illness you can stack yes you can you can go you have your during those modes everything you can get into your villains and I think the same thing with multi balls but you can't start you can't start it well mode and step during a multiball yeah that's pretty traditional yeah but that's why some doubt about the combos though because when you have all those white shots lit and you combo you not all those shots out with just on-the-fly combos then it feels good because you're not stopping okay I gotta hit that white shot not gonna hit that white shot it feels so good what's that sub mode electrolysis man lecture oh and it's all pops so that's the thing to happen the stray hairs on people's every it's special we gotta get a hundred switch hits on electric left lmj and we'll get in this tell him Jake it's okay but there's problems with what the modes are different they're all unique you take you take even your villains like like you know with with hop with a green goblin you're shooting the the stand-ups on the side with that second Green Goblin low what are you doing that's what I'm saying if it wasn't hurt all those other modes within the outside of the building love it a lot of to do there is a lot to do it's a meet code you know you know be - this is boring no no it listen listen so then you go to almost a mini wizard when you have completed the the number two round of all your villains then you go into battle royale which is a multiball in all your villains are working at that point you've probably played 45 minutes each you're still not having fun it is long ball times but it is fun to play long like that play hobbit or Lord of the Rings satisfying no cuz this has some speed to it it's not the stopping build with those games like this what are the reason just nice yeah yeah no code is loot Cody this was it one moment you see it's this is Steve Ritchie into wall enliven yeah I'm telling you it's good it is good I don't doubt that it's good but to be - for me just because it's boring as hell it's so boring how are you man boring it is all right toys and innovation boys are freaking cool okay now you asked why I know you are yes why I give a name - oh there's toys in there oh nice there's a lift way or a lift gate I like that there's magnets yeah there's odd bucks that do weird not like dog [ __ ] especially with with because I think I'm an odd [ __ ] yourself this and me in the Sandman well [ __ ] you too the the same man things will off but I do like the Doc Ock because it reminds me of like when his tentacles are something really weird like him rising up on them that the ball shiny motor yeah so I yes Sandman goes up and down he goes up - and stuff because actually like that what's that that drop bank in the front drops down then Sandman has to be able to go up to allow you to go into the back okay so you're actually you're bashing the targets the targets go down you're bashing there's three targets back there for Sandman you're bashing in those then Sandman comes up and going to a whole threat in the back yeah so I like all of this murders it's full of men oh it's full of all has a mix mix you continue your perfect report card on spider-man bolt by ranking it an a yes this thing's loaded fantastic it's loaded compared to some of the Stern stuff it is it's super loaded and it feels but built the vault feels very well-built does feel really vigor okay they did have some problems if you're going out there a little tip if you're gonna buy a second-hand spider-man vault mmm you want to watch out or even maybe the originals I think the vault mostly no other originals due to a lot of ghosting inserts on that yes now if that's a big issue some people it's not a big of an issue yeah if that's a big issue um if you're wanting to get the price down a little bit and they didn't list ghosts it inserts and that's not a big issue use that as an opportunity to get that price lower but I think the later runs like mine is basically brand-new and there's yeah there's nothing on it at all that's a good tip for people oh very much so much on the originals look out for the magnet on Doc Ock yes very much like Metallica with that single magnet without the protector you're gonna get a lot of play field weird because someone look at that yes because the vault it upgraded to the magnets like on the walking day like in front of welders tool of the max yes yeah a lot more consistent a lot more protectors on ramps metal which is what a vault should be it's been it's really what a bolt it truly was a vault up great important upgrading dodds upgrading I almost said call-ups let's get to that Greg music and callouts is here are we gonna continue you're straight a report card here injury yeah go ahead cuz you know oh boy I thought I was bad okay I'm a little lower than you but what are you at I admit a see ouch man maybe should have been a c-minus that's where I'm at a c-minus this thing better be lucky then give it a D and I'm gonna tell you they suck like we've talked before about like JK Simmons or whatever his call-outs in the first one I hope that's his name we somehow practiced and will correct ourselves if those costs were fantastic they were great these call-outs sound like they are done by one voice actor trying to cover the scene it's just way too happy it's like Green Goblin goes to town like literally that's what it's like with Grizz no like green or your battle let me think venom venom bit of [ __ ] here stung right yeah yes yes like that's what kills it is a lighting is there yeah well I didn't get you answer yes hello venom and it's so even they tries to do the Steve reject very better but he does play better play it's like you literally that pisses me off so bad in there is really bad is in there sparse in the music is sparse like there's one my can't more what you go into that actually has like like some metal are not some metal but just some rocks got some guitar I got your guitar going and actually that's decent but it's it's kind of muted and it's kind of underlining in the pots are still just so lame on every one of our good friends Chris he goes by came and he said that was the single the single reason he got rid of that pin was the call out is this pin stain in your collection tell the people know and oh no and it's solely because of the call out oh that sounds so ridiculous yes and I yes and that's what I was so I'm silly it is when we've heard that before it like oh I sold it just because of the way it sound we thought yeah yeah I can look past that yes you couldn't look no no it's like you know like okay I've talked about the walking dead like it's kind of the reason it left was because the art I just it was whatever I love the game but or whatever and there's been some other games like that with art but never like not the strong I've owned Johnny I I can get over that I like it x-men I can get over x-men people hate x-men cause I'm telling you this pin is you combine those pillars or multiply it's awful because it literally because it doesn't amp you up there's nothing exciting about maybe that's why I think it spends boring it is like the Cox is what kills it because no it's a lot of reason no no it's to call its you know what it's this is what it's taken to is playing the pin with no sound on the sound off and that's what this is most rather fix this though I think so I think so and that's what some people said is like if you check for alternate roms and everything else not not a it's not wrong it's tainted me I can't yeah it's killed me so much but if I had somebody yeah owned it long either no no when I was stoked about it dude I was so yeah you're always adding content he's like you know what I got a pin for you and I was like oh I did give you a disclaimer I said look here's the thing that most people hate yes there's a big issue I called [ __ ] you did and I and it's solely because again let's do you hit a shot yes yeah yes that's what it is [Music] they differentiate I think that's awesome yeah but this sounds do not as much as what the white did Star Wars with his lighting sound effects music even great nothing electro electro is cool because like you said like like a razor blue but that's cool on all that when you're hitting all those switches this kind of stuff reminds me of why I don't like Deadpool call outs it's very kin to that it does no I will agree with it this is worse I never said worse mothers that's what didn't pull me in with Deadpool either yeah it's just it's too it's it's campy but in an annoying it's like it's an yeah not good King it's like you know when somebody in like a movie or something makes fun of like that that chick is you know what the call-outs are the call-outs to me are those stupid hallmark movies than my wife my wife watches during Christmas no that's what these whole that's what these call-outs are that I just want to be like oh my god I want to murder these people like me that bad it's like that house enacting be that bad idea like I don't I don't know director say you're in fell does the director say you know what be the most annoying son of a [ __ ] and you can watch and actually yeah you know what honestly there is times because oh there's my there's things that I have hated I couldn't be seen in or be seen doing on camera because that's what the director said to do and you have to go with it even though that could you not be like no cuz if you're not big you don't have any creative input you can try you can give me a different taking you do something different but it's ultimately to the director and there's been some jump this reminds yeah I did an eyeglass commercial one time for some sunglasses first of all ray beans no listen this is even all this is even more awful so first of all beans this this whole thing and these people will never see this commercial or they'll never well I don't want people to Google it so it's a but to say wardrobe was horrendous then they put me in ok so I'm like I just I figured ok they'll put me in some like clear lenses like some eyeglasses or something or like you said like maybe some Ray Bans driven up you know what they put me in the g-money twos this is literally in their high-dollar sunglasses I'm talking about you know they look horrible on yes because they were like the like remember the old school Oakley's like the Rapala oh yeah yeah like they were like I look like the Lamar Burton from from Star Trek is what I look like you got a big head - yeah and I'm like son of a [ __ ] so then another spot in the commercial this girl I'm with with my uh who has perceivably my girlfriend or my wife picking out sunglasses yeah and you know I'm pretty subtle about it and the writers like he may look like you like what she's picking out and you know I'm just kinda yeah and he's like no really show it so he was like and I was so embarrassed and hated that so bad because the director like that's what he made me hate was be so over the top and go still pain yeah that's still paid so that was nice but now do you want to show nobody my commercial that's the corn that we're dealing with him these it is it is it is very much that so you've ruined your perfect scoring system let's get back into theme theme spider-man not only spider-man but not the film yeah the comic book series of spider-man yeah a plus a plus okay so we're still perfect perfect we're backed into it - let's see I'm in an a solid a it's highest score throughout these categories the theme is awesome everybody loves spider-man everybody loves that beautiful comic book artwork yeah so I'm gonna hey I'm cool there's not many other superheroes that I think are better than than spider-man he's fun I Batman is youthful he's fun yeah for Marvel he's my favorite Marvel let's roll in to enjoy ability so you're getting rid of this within a month yeah you couldn't have enjoyed it that much or did the call-outs really kill it that much for you because everything else is a oh yeah is this a plus to no I met a B+ on on my angel you actually you're to be modest and so yours I say is great as all of the shots are as great as all that is the call-outs definitely killed this bin for me obviously how enjoy a big degree it bled into enjoyability yes enjoyability of the regular spider-man would would be a little higher but still if that hits screaming it's like fingers on a chalkboard but again it's it's like a broken lazy susan door during the middle of filming their daughter so terrible bring that up again right - but yeah so on top of the closets call that's where that are the number one killer of this pin but also it's it's a pin that just can't last terribly long unless you have a large collection because there's a lot of time to play yeah the long ball times will they'll drain you and it's sort of I think someone who who's very good at pinball is gonna get very tired of this unless they take out a tournament mode take out the outlanes take out the ya know center post in this Dean yes I've got this yeah that's the center post but that's a lot I think because of a singing man maybe coming out of there in case you got a cheap Street that don't get a lot of sand man with that Center shot but you know it's easy but it's not easy because again you know you run through those villains like nothing that's not hard getting a battle Royales in a heart but again the so many shots to start a mode mm-hmm that can be difficult see yes when you add into that so then it becomes so easy to achieve so much but then so difficult to achieve in the superhero yeah their nose remote no yeah and you know what I've been close I've been one mode off but that's still not super close you know cuz it's still a lot to go that verges Neverland I agree to no it's probably not so it just kind of gets old because of the long ball times and that repetitiveness of it so you know where I'm at no I'm not at a B I'm a little lower now see how matter effing D a D and enjoy ability for this game is no this game is not fun this game is boring this game is long ball times just game you're chopping wood this game is hokey and not in a good way no this game enjoyability is a D I don't want to own it and when I did own it it just sat there until I get sell it you know what it's just not fun I have met no one who dislikes this game and I meet people who sell it and miss it I think everybody's nestled when they like this game I think for the most part people buy because they're like it's spider-man Steve rejoice Lyman F. Sheats Jr. this is supposed to be good just not it still shoots good it's unique shots if this goes to show you that a sum of all parts doesn't always equal no and we thought we have talked about that in our reviews a lot that's why you can't always look at that final grade because there's so much that makes that something like sir certain things that ruin it or it might not have the enjoyability enjoy abilities look great all the themes awesome yeah it's just like watching paint dry playing this pin this moment's we talked about Dwight Sullivan oh I think he gets no love for the moments that he codes oh I agree with that Lyman is this God there's no moments what moment is in spider mice like I said like okay yeah there's not a particular show there why would that even be coated well I think that well I don't know I have no idea on that but I'll tell you the moment that MIT met again that makes it for it all Marco specialties same-day shipping accessible website exceptional customer service and with over 50,000 different pinball parts in stock Marco specialties is a must for every pinball enthusiast and operator reach your pinball machine right by visiting Marco speck calm now Chrome it brass at black nickel a kingly chromic powder-coated the possibilities are endless at pinball play to calm your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of LED products with the best quality LEDs and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at comet involve calm the doc ock shot is nice but again the thing that still gets me is the comboing to start those modes it's it's it's that's alignment because it knocks it out so quick yeah but so what is like good do you like to enjoy shots to get that mode doing this more than three it's more than three shots I like Lyman yes I do I like it no I do and I don't but my discussion point is Lyman is is known as the number one coder but he continued to do the same things to start modes that I think we hear a lot of feedback that people don't like like Metallica why am i hitting a damn snake 40 times and everything Lyman does Batman you hit the Riddler three times yeah but this I agree I agree with that but the mo different yes that's why I'm saying these do you you got to hit all the watches you got to hit almost every shot in the game every submodes yes to hit every shot no other modes are not necessarily exciting your venom mode going shooting bit him through depth I didn't get the second 10 amount go but but you said about about my there's nothing that feels good in this game that see your name and on the same you're traveling you want good the thing that feels good is shooting those combos to knock out being able to start a mode that that doesn't get old that's a cool feature it does it just feels good hitting them back to back look I'm saying I'm talking about just arguing about Lyman him being the number one coder I don't think enough people bring up the fact that okay so he goes pretty intricate and complex but there's some basic stuff that Lyman does that I just don't like I don't like it yeah unfinished code being a lot of it but the second being the chopping wood nobody chops wood more than Lyman F. Sheats Jr. there I said it people don't say that enough no I mean I could true that like it's completely true he didn't do that much of Batman thank God but I'm just worried the next thing he works on he's gonna refer back to a lot of lime and stuff yeah that's why I think other coders don't get enough praise yes I like the white stuff a lot like I like I do a little dog Ghostbusters but I actually Ghostbusters some my favorite code just played it my parents the other night you know what I thought a lot of fun I mean you know I had like a few months ago I maybe six months ago and laid it I was like a still I'm sick of this game and then I played it again yeah I'm just kidding like I played it again I was at a local bowling alley they trade it out they only got one pin there a bunch other like crude the new crews and they got all that [ __ ] but they put a Ghostbusters in there and it was a [ __ ] when it was all Harper but I loved it again I figured how missed the modes are missed the shot unless you get the shots down in that particular machine you know where the falls and stuff and it's more controllable yeah the design shooting in those shots for the ecto-1 is still some of my favorite in the back and forth and shooting that type so I don't know I'm Jerry I'm not so hot on Lyman F. Sheats Jr. as a lot of people are I mean look it's my favorite game that he's done is Walking Dead and that's a masterpiece netis that beats most every thing so it's not like I don't like Lyman if Dunn's just saying I would like to see less choppy chop that's all yeah thank you behind pros and cons of this game cons call outs really know moments there are no moments in this game is boring it's long ball time so those are my columns they're sort of constant it is decent I think that's kind of a pro I think you get a lot of game for the used market price yeah I was gonna say new this is a premium $7000 but I think on the used market I think it's a very loaded game obviously start doing more vaults like this I do too letís dis dis call to the vault and then everything else following it's like no those are just remakes yes are there no balls yeah those are special in the you know because they should never start you could still send all like Disney pull something from the vault it's just and we made a mistake there yeah but they shouldn't have done they shows are like these things will sell anyway yeah but I think I give you two done stuff a little special Star Trek I think you'd have sold a few more star tracks and different stuff but but this is the problem when you get in those newer stores I started you listen though listen when I get into those newer Stern's me you have to be careful with vaults because then you start infringing into the the Ellie's you know because like what you gonna do on that that star track vault you want to put laser-cut armor on it - then you're creeping in on those Ellie's not that I think this turn really gives two shits about the collector but as a collector and I had an Ellie I've really wouldn't want that yeah you wouldn't want the LCD and aggression in there and stuff like are the extended display of the dots yeah maybe take something like that I do think something needs to be changed because I ended up their sales do something this last Star Trek thing was just did you know anybody the bought one of the remakes no no or though the Volt's no I think there was parts on the shelf and they wanted to you get it out there by Star Trek that's my best advice for spider-man volt or regular dissing just buy a Star Trek it's a better game I would argue that code is not as good as this code believe yeah this codes better high-grade Star Trek I agree but shots are better the the moments are better normalizable moments are a lot better on Star Trek than this um read Kobayashi Maru the three wizard modes that are stacked yes so that would be my pros and cons cumulative scores you end up all of those A's and you still end up at the old Greg bone B+ again 3.53 I like a lot of games yeah different I think it's very fair I can't believe my score ended up being - it's the lowest of low would be minus 2.8 Sevenfold well below most of the pins that I have written to me you just don't view I enjoy this game very much always have been like that for some reason it's just never clicked and I don't anticipate it clicking anytime soon so give us some feedback what did you think about a review on spider-man vault Edition as well as other reviews what do you want us to review next it's getting close to Christmas it is right around the corner yeah what are you gonna do for Christmas anything special dress up as Santa eat and drink each eggnog do you like eggnog I do like no that just makes him mad eggnog I like it she's got a really good I'm not much of an egg you know one last note on that though is like I've got a big enough collection out of that in fact if it wasn't for those call-outs I would have kept that pin a lot longer my collection is big enough it's no need to keep spider-man it's plenty out there for the prices to held a lot better no I like it Stern made a good product with it though they didn't make good product well they made a rule solid stars I've seen honestly yeah it's just more of a preference thing where do these people need to check us out on Facebook check us out on YouTube obviously if twitting is open right now I don't think it will be but if it is closed but it'd be closed vote for us right now please do all the time at mcdu all helped it sound like a call out on the dynamic duo everybody let's sing Kumbaya and play our guitar around the campfire I'm spider-man you see Goblin come on spider man call our church camp is that what you're saying they're beyond church camp there are oh my god they're like that even church camp is a little tongue-in-cheek attack yeah that can be funny this is just horrible like you know we're done we're done twigs vote for us we want to repeat on the twigs for a best pinball YouTube show so definitely data and vote for this guy on this weekend pinball oh yes use the fantastic I listen to podcasts in the shower that's one of them right yeah no you listen yeah only in the shower actually you know what like I am cuz keep going I just go ahead I'm a beat-up poor man and no weird live going I have to do all of our housework okay you're kind of a stay-at-home dad a lot yeah yeah I am yeah I enjoy actually I like it a lot but I put on what I clean too cuz your podcast is long sometimes the other person knows to zhalong um so sometimes the shower just don't cut it I can do backlog doing the shower and of long yeah too long yeah but you know what I want to have I catch up more in the winter though cuz I like a good long hot shower so I thought you're gonna say a good long hot Zac no mmm that's what most people like vote for me Twitty podcast we have our own podcast right we would pull this we pull the audio from this it becomes a pike if you're listening thank you go to iTunes and go ahead and wreck us on iTunes Wells twit podcast to real check out this week in pinball comm for all of the greatest news and thank him for the twit send us donation YouTube subscribe to us on YouTube buy t-shirt go to Facebook for us a little bit everything right check me out randomly on twitch check out old check work on twit next week we're into some special yeah I hope you guys have fun and tough for you those of you that made it out sold Penson and II hope you guys have fun out there absolutely yeah stuffs coming to TPF yeah now we're looking forward to a little locals our next show I know but TP F's big - 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