Welcome to the pinball os wide podcast this is episode 16 and in this episode we have language warning usual thank yous month in review pinball price watch segment just the tip segment I were in the industry news which will cover a few pinball releases as well as some Pokemon and spooky info a bit of a discussion about our favorite era of pinball any emails or in this case PMs and an admin red as always I'm Jared joined by Matt welcome Matty oh good morning Jared it's a little bit um a bit early for that isn't it it is a bit early we've had to start early because I've got a busy day ahead uh a bit of running around with my eldest to just some medical appointments yep yep that's right so you're gonna kick me out soon I've got to kick you out earlier than normal so I apologize for that also thank you to all the current listeners and subscribers And any new listeners today? Yes, we got an extra like five or something followers, five, six followers, which is awesome. I'm really happy with that. So as always, keep following and liking and subscribing and commenting and a little bit of a language warning anyway, as always, for any young listeners tune out because we're going to be trying, we're going to try our best to be better today. We are. We're trying to make it more PG, but sometimes they're us swearing, which is usually around the what the fuck. Well, there you go. There's the one F-bomb. I'm going to mark these down there. Anyway, Jarrod, how are you doing, buddy? Doing well? Yeah, good. Not too bad. How's your month been? Yeah, I feel like it's been a really, really busy month for me, especially with pinball stuff. Yep. But I don't feel like I've done a lot, if that makes sense. You've never been a busy man, haven't you? Yeah, so start of the month, I think it was the start of this month, I ended up doing a podcast page on Facebook. So we were talking about it last month, I think with George from memory. And I guess I've just really evolved into that and trying to get some content up there and some discussion and that sort of stuff rather than having a bit of a stagnated page when it's just, oh, we're doing the podcast, everybody listen, I just want to get some information out there as well. I think I've got a couple that I didn't want to cross post in the group. But you still need to put it in the Pinball's Wide Boss Wadden Cell group. I think it still needs to be out there for people to see and then if you know when people subscribe to the other page and they'll see it from there though. Yeah I think... But at least there's only one spot though. Yeah but see originally I decided not to do that because Facebook removed the discussion tab. Yeah I saw that. And it was really hard to make any type of discussion so that's where I think for me it became a black and white nut. I'm just going to do it on the podcast page and I will give an occasional bump in our Buy Swap Sell page to members to come over and join it. Now, I was chatting to Nathan the other day and thankfully we've managed to restore the discussion page. So that's really good. You won't see it on mobile, guys. So if you're looking on your mobile device, it won't be there, but it's on desktop. So if you want to post discussions, just go to the desktop or a PC and you will see it there, Recordingropol O'Neal, Roger young Maltese, All that brings discussion back to that because I obviously did it all on the desktop and hence why I can see it now on the desktop. So yeah, if you want to post a discussion to the page, you can do that. You've just got to basically go now to PC. Unfortunately. That makes no sense. How do all these like notice boards still have discussions going? Because they're not buy, swap, sell pages. That's why, because we've set up a specific buy, swap and sell page. Facebook have been changing all buy, swap, sell pages that are specific in that genre to remove discussion. It is a pain in the ass, but as I put up, haha, fuck you, Facebook, I brought it back. So that's why I think for me, I was happy to keep posting in the podcast page because there's the discussion there. So certainly if you are a listener and you're not yet on the page, please find us, join the page. I mean, it's pretty simple, Pinball Aus Wide Podcast. So please find us and like and subscribe to that page. And as I said, you'll just see some content of just stuff that's going on and rubbish that we do as well. So I did that. Obviously, I started a YouTube channel as well. Yes, I get to see ugly face a little bit more. I'm sorry, your pretty head a little bit more often now. It's not a great head for YouTube, but look, that was a bit of a into the fire type moment. I don't know why I did it, to be honest, Matty. I've got no idea. Sometimes I regret it. Other times I'm like, this is kind of fun. That first video was certainly lit a fire under the page. Look, I think, and those that listen to this podcast will know I've always been an open I'm a very honest kind of person when it comes to the hobby. I've not really held back any punches, I think. Nope, definitely not. That's where a lot of people go, Jared! Well, and that's more because not that I'm trying to seek any type of drama or anything like that, but it's just me speaking my mind and wanting to get a point out there, I guess. I try not to take sides. Sometimes it is hard because the people involved in certain discussions can be real numbnuts when it comes to what's happening. So sometimes a bias might come out, but I don't do it deliberately. But yeah, so I did. I started a Facebook page, Facebook, excuse me. So I started a YouTube channel, threw down, I've thrown down three videos. Most recently was the Yukon Yeti one as well that we'll discuss a little bit later. Yeah, that was a really good video actually. Yeah, thanks, man. Thank you. And yeah, I've got other topics, you know, I'm just still learning. As I said, it's certainly been a bit of a baptism of fire because it's not just as simple as sitting in front of a camera and delivering a video. You know, there's structure behind it. You've got to get algorithms and understand how to get your channel out there We're not just two mates sitting opposite each other having a chat on a podcast. It's a lot more than that. So it's been interesting and fun at the same time. I do want to give Enzo a bit of a shout out as well because I had to reach out to him. I couldn't get my FPS right on my webcams. I was having some big issues with trying to get it at 25 and he just helped me because The webcam wouldn't bring it to 25. It was only at 30 and we needed it at 25. So I just PM'd Enzo and he was awesome. He helped really well. So thank you, mate. I appreciate that. Hopefully you'll listen. You're worrying with beer at the expo, mate? I said that. I did say that. Or 10. Otherwise, what else? I sold my Game of Thrones finally. Look, I did say to Rowan I wasn't I wasn't really a big motivated seller because like most people sometimes selling a machine is a pain in the ass in regards to having to move equipment out of the way, make space for a delivery guy to come and pick it up and shift it and do your pack it up and whatever you want to do. So some small things were like, oh God, but then I just wasn't playing it and I'd had enough and I wanted a bit of a change. So that's out, which is good. Left on Sunday, Tazpin. We booked. So just got Flotsam and a Comm set in stone for that pretty early. Yep, excited. Very much so. So looking forward to seeing Justin and the boys there, which will be nice, especially Juzz and Frank. So yes, that was sort of my month in a bit of a nutshell. Yep. Oh, we've also got the upcoming, we're going to go to nil soon. We are going to go to nil, yeah, correct. So myself, you and Rowan, which will be a good little boys trip away as well. So we're making a bit of an annual event out of that obviously so we're trying to keep that annually. Also we've got the expo, well we're organised for the expo, I've got my room booked. Expo, Melbourne Expo, yeah that's miles away but yeah. Yeah but still I've booked that, that's all sorted out and also online Maiden tickets. Yes. So you know it's pretty good. Yeah I'm looking forward to Maiden actually. Again same as Metallica, I think this will be the last time I'll probably go and see them. I mean they're 70 something years old now. But being that it's made and Megadeth coming out, as I said, for some reason I've never seen Megadeth, so yeah, I'm like Suicidal Tendencies at Metallica, I'm warning you, I'm gonna leave you for dead because I don't want to miss them. Nah, we'll just get there early mate. We'll get there nice and early. Just get there early and don't stand in the fucking merch queue. I probably won't this time around, to be honest. Go upstairs, top floor. Yeah, top floor. I'll have a look and see what merch they're bringing out. Originally I wasn't going to get the Metallica merch to be honest. I mean I didn't get any blink merch when I went to them. I got the posters but I didn't get a t-shirt or anything because they didn't appeal but yeah I'll have a look see what merch they've got. What about you Matty? What's your month been like mate? My month has been a decking good time. A decking good time. So as I mentioned on the last podcast I started pulling apart my deck. So in the backyard it's a pretty expansive deck. So all up it's about just over 500 meters in length of linear boards. Yep, 500 linear meters. Linear meters, yeah. Does anyone know what that is to square meters? No. I don't know linear meters. I'm not a bloody chippy. It's a long bloody way. It's a long way. A lot of board. So each board's 5.4 meters long. And I've got 97 boards. Well there you go. So it's quite a fair, quite a bit. So as I said at the start of it in the last podcast, I started pulling out my deck. I knew it was a bit rotted underneath like there's some joists and some bearers and some plant, you know, some of the old treader pine wood was a bit average. So I thought I'd go through carefully, unscrewed every single bloody screw and if I knew what I knew now that I had to replace every joist, every bearer, I would have just gone through there with the chainsaw and just fucking just hacked it out. And gone in with a sledgehammer and just knocked it all out within a day. Instead of taking three and a half days, actually unscrewing the whole bloody thing. So in saying that, anyway, so it's cost me about 15 grand to do. I'm doing it myself with my brother. So definitely saving a hell of a lot on labor. Well, even with bunnings, it cost me, it came to $11, 400 for the eco deck that I'm doing and the 95-45s that I need and also the bar top that I'm doing. And anyway, my power pass got that down to about $8, 100. So that is a huge saving. So, you know, that was at the trade price, so that was absolutely amazing. And then anyway, so I just, um, so I got all the wood, sorry, I should say, I ordered a three-meter skip. So, filled that skip up pretty air quick, and then I need to order a five-meter skip. So I've done, so I've also got rid of that as well. So I've done eight meters in skip waste so far, Which that's cost me 900 bucks which is pretty cheap. Yep. So really happy with that. Um yeah so we got the wood delivered I think it was on the 6th of March and um and uh we've been tarring all the wood so using a special tar which goes on any wood that if it goes in the ground or can get moisture so every piece of wood has been tarred and just that was a four-day process having to have them do all that wood obviously flipping it over letting it dry such and such then start building all the bearers and then putting down the joists then on top of that I've gone and put down And the, um, what's it called? It's called G-Tape, which is a, um, a tape that also goes across the top of the joists and the bearers, if you want, which I've done both. Yep. So it stops any moisture from being a sit on there, even though it's got a tar, it's just over engineering and being super careful, making sure it's never going to rot again. And that's also why I went the Eco Deck, so I don't have to do anything with it. Yeah. Yeah, all I have to do... I did the same at my place. All I have to do is wash it down. Yeah. That's all. There's not, not too much with that. Yep. So apart from doing all the decking and stuff, I'm sorry, I'm currently at 260, I've laid down 260 meters, linear meters, and as I said it's 500 meters, so there's about 240 left to go. Yeah, but that includes steps obviously. And that includes the steps as well, correct, so, but because I still actually have to tear up my spa area, which is another pathway to my other sliding pool. Yep. So that there is probably, because the steps are about 13 boards I think it is. Okay. So the rest is whatever the heck that is. So it's been a good experience and yeah a lot of learning curve and you know a bit of a process. Yep. Because I've never used this um echo deck. As well this month, me and the family went to the Tyab Airshow which was fantastic. The kids got to see the aeroplanes and doing all the stunts. The what? The Tyab Airshow. Tyab? Oh Tyab. Sorry Tyab. Tyab Airshow. I thought you said Ty Airshow or something. No, Tyab Airshow. What is that? It was fantastic yeah but unfortunately that day it was stinking hot and humid as all hell and it was just it was disgusting. The kids had enough after about three hours, but really enjoyed watching all the stunt planes and everything. Anyone crash? No, there was no crashes. Nobody stole a plane and fucked off? Well, they should have, shouldn't they? You haven't seen that little clip where a drunk guy, I think it was set up, I'm not sure, with this dude in an air show, runs out with a beer swig that staggers around, runs behind a little twin prop airplane and then takes off. I'm not too sure, honestly. It's so funny. But anyway, as well this month as well, no next month, I've also booked tickets to go to the Monster Trucks at the Rod Laverina. Yep, nice. And also off to see Cosentino the magician later this year too, so I've been busy booking things. Sounds it. And what else, I think that's about it. Have you got a games room update for us? No, I thought, well yes, so all the site plans with the council, just gotta wait for them to do what they're gonna do. Yep. That's it. But didn't you say that there were some issues with the size of it? Oh, that's why I've got to do the site plan. And they asked for some information about what you're using it for and all that sort of stuff. I informed them what I'm using the shed for. So have you heard back from them with regards to it? So when did you put that paperwork into them? Three weeks ago. Oh God, okay. Three weeks... well, pretty much after I spoke to you. Yeah, well that was last podcast. Oh, four weeks ago then. Yeah. It was like literally that day or that hour. Okay, so a bit of a hold up through council at the moment by the sound of it. Yeah, well they've just said, um, the company just said that we'll get back to you as soon as we have any update, you know. Yeah. Any further information for you. Yeah, okay. Hopefully they chase it down a bit and get this shit moving. Well, I'm sure they would because they want their cash. Mmm. So, but so far... Unless they've got jobs on with a go and... Yeah, but it's still cash flow coming in so... No. Because so what am I... without having anything done, it's already cost me $1, 300 plus $2, 600. It's almost four grand. Yeah, for doing nothing. Yep. Well, I'm not having anything happen yet, so. I presume you budgeted for over budget. No, no, this is also actually a part of the, um, my quote anyway. Oh, is it? Yeah, it's all part of it too. Perfect. So that was already in there, so. Yeah, good, good. And I think that's about it for my month. Okay. Unfortunately, I haven't caught up again yet for a pinball sesh, but yeah. This month I haven't done much pinball, honestly. I did ask and you blew me off. Oh I know what I said towards the end of the month but I thought my deck would have been done by now Yeah I just been buggered Oh good But the um but yeah my month in pinball has been very next to none So just coming inside like 8 o 9 o every night and just chilling out No problem. Alright, well I guess we'll move into our usual pinball prize watch. And what have you seen this month, mate? I've seen a little bit, but I still feel we're sort of repeating ourselves a little bit on the podcast, so apologies, but I feel like the pricing has still... I thought it shifted down a little bit. Just a little bit. Yeah, maybe a little. I noticed with some of the 90s DMDs, they sort of came down, like No Good Gophers was We're still looking at sevens plus, you know, seven and a half, eight grand, I'm pretty sure. Okay. And then even tails of the crypt, six grand, you know, even though it's not worth that. Yeah, yeah, correct. But it is shifted down because remember that there was one not long ago for about eight grand as well. Yeah. And even Judge Dredd at five, five, you know, so, and that looked in pretty good condition. Yep. Even a Xenon, uh, three, three and a half, fifty. Okay. So that's pretty good. We don't see that, do we? That's getting better for that sort of older SS style machines without a doubt. But even with the Stern premiums, there was the Avengers at 11 grand. So they're still sort of sitting at about 11 grand at premiums. Well, yeah, so there was one at 11.5 and there was one at 10.5 in Perth. Yes, that's exactly right. That's what I was about to say. And also the Mando premium at 10.750. Yep. So it's shifting down just a bit because only a few months ago we were saying premiums were about 11.5. Yeah, correct. There's your $500, $700 difference. Yeah, so for listeners, obviously, out there, I sold my Game of Thrones premium for smack on $11.5. Mm-hmm. So that's, without saying corny, a real world sort of price for people out there. Yeah, correct. But, you know, like you said, the premiums, I mean, there was a Maiden, Iron Maiden premium at $12.5. Oh, I didn't see that. I saw the $14 grand one. I saw one. Um, there was, there's a Ghostbusters premium at $13.750. We haven't seen that prize for a long time. Not for a long time with only 215 plays. I also saw a couple of LEs that were out there as well. So there was a Munsters LE at 15.5 which is probably about right. Yep, I'd agree. Turtles LE which is the Stern at 12.5 which again is probably about right. Maybe a little high possibly but for an LE it's pretty good. There was an Elvira Premium at $12.99 as well, which we haven't seen in a long, long time. I didn't see that at all. Yeah, Elvira, House of Horrors Premium at $12.99. That must have sold. It was still there. I'd have to triple check, to be honest. Yeah, okay. And then I noticed one on Gumtree, there was a Willy Wonka LE. It started at $17.50, sorry, $17.500 and dropped very quickly to $14 for a Willy Wonka. Yeah, okay. So that seems pretty good as well. The only other one I want to make note of I guess is there was a John Wick LE at $15, 950. Now originally I noted that that was around about a $19, 000 starting price and to be honest I reached out to the seller. Oh did you? Yeah, nice. Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to see if there was any movement and they said no, they're firm. But if you listen to this and want to sell it, hit me up because I'd be relatively keen on the LE. At what price you reckon? I'd probably rather not say... Well, because I don't want to be considered a low baller, I would like it around 14.5, I think. Look, if I need a mover, mate, you never know. And with all due respect to the seller who may or may not be a listener on this podcast, I noticed on one of the forums he's had that advertised since August last year. So you're almost up to 12 months holding onto a machine and not being able to sell it. And I'll be honest, I'm a buyer. If we can reach a mark, then I'm happy to chat. But look, as I said, reached out to them, they said firm on price, I just gave a thumbs up and moved on. There's no point going any further. Which is weird because my opinion has always been to discuss pricing with buyers. You know, even with my Game of Thrones, they asked for a discount on it and I said, look, I'm sorry, I literally just dropped at $500. So I wasn't offended by, you know, what was going on. And, you know, I remember, I think we've discussed previously, I've had my Johnny Mnemonic. Oh, geez. And I can't, mate, I don't understand how that was such a hard sell. Yeah, I know. Yeah, look, agreed. But the weird thing was, you know, I was getting offers at four and a half E-mail here at b ülvestory.com.au. Yeah. Well, everybody's coming. Yeah, correct. Yeah. So that was it. But yeah, as I said, so that's, that's the John Wick LE. Well, we, you know, I actually saw, sorry, what we actually seen, the first Star Wars Fall of the Empire LE for sale. Yeah. So 19, what was it? 1909. So that's the first one we've seen. Yeah. And I've also noticed that the Dungeon Dragons like, like 14 grand now. Yeah. So they've come down. Yeah. Because otherwise, Yeah, but otherwise they were asking like 16 plus. Hmm. No, what I was going to say is I wish I liked those machines to be interested. Obviously, now that I've got some cash behind me after my Game of Thrones, I don't know where I'm going. And actually, I mean, based off that, guys, you know, if you're listening, feel free to let me know what you think I should look at. I've narrowed it down to a Stranger Things, a John Wick and a Jaws. So they're the three machines that I'm thinking about buying. Let me know if you think there's others that I've missed out on, because I was also thinking of getting another Attack from Mars, because I just think it's one of the best games ever. And there was one other, which has escaped me now. Deadpool. Thank you Matty, Deadpool, because I just love the fucking game so much. You're not, there's another f-bomb apologies listeners. Yes, and I've told Jarrod not to buy Deadpool because he just destroys the machine every time and he's mastered the machine already. But I guess... I feel like you're just going to keep mastering every time, you're not going to have that challenge. Yeah, I 100% agree with you. I guess the other side to that as well is though that I enjoy it so much to have a machine that I enjoy is something that I'm trying to achieve as well. I'm not sure if you've ever played a pinball with a machine, but yeah, you are right. That's the same with AFM as well. Just, you know, you've mastered that machine. Yeah. You previously owned one as well. It's so fun to play, man. I know. It's such a fun game. You can come to my house and play it. Yeah, I'm trying. You're trying? Are you sure you're trying? I think you're trying very hard. The other thing I wanted to ask too is that I noticed someone was looking for Pirates of the Caribbean CE from Jersey Jack. Where do you think that sits price-wise? I'm very interested to hear your thoughts and then I'll tell you because I had a very big belly laugh at what their response was. Well with people... Well I know there was one in Euro... no that was at LA for what 38, 000 in Europe I think. No don't worry about outside of Australia. Oh yeah, in Australia. I just want to know about Australian prices so that we keep it sort of... It's a hard one. Um, what's it worth and what will people pay? That's probably what I'm going to say. Okay. People will probably pay 50 for it, I think. But what's it worth? Yeah, man, 20 grand maybe, around that. Yeah. If that makes sense, you know, like. Yeah. Well, okay, if you owned one, well, I mean, you've got an LE. LE, yeah, correct. So, how much would you sell your LE for? Well, I know previous ones have been selling for 38. In Australia? In Australia. You, $38, 000 for an LE? Yes. Right, okay. So, Are you telling me you'd sell your LE for 20 grand? No. Then it's not worth 20 grand. No. You... No, but I just never say, you know what I'm like, I'm never gonna sell a machine. No, that's not the discussion we're having. The discussion we're having is a price discussion. So you said just before that you would, you think it's worth 20 grand. To buy, for me to buy? Yes, that's what I think. That's... No. I know, but that's how I'm saying it. And that, yeah, but then you put it into perspective saying that you wouldn't sell your LE for 20 grand. No. So using that type of discussion, then you've got to decide where you think it would be based off. 38 because that's what the bowl wants to pay for it. 38 for LA. So where would you then put the CE? Probably at 50. See I just think that's stupid money. I think it's stupid too. That's ridiculous. 100%. And the person was actually put, I would spend up to 50 grand on the CE and I just laughed my head off. I'm like, you got... And that's what I mean, that's what people pay for. Yeah, it's not that good of a machine. Not for 50 grand, no. I mean, no machine's worth that. I mean, I'd rather have two Harry Potter CEs. 100%. Yeah, correct. High grade. And still have cash in your pocket almost. Definitely. But yeah, that's, as I said, that's just ridiculous. But I'm only going from what I've seen over the market. No, I know, but that's what I'm asking you. I'm not asking you, and that's why I said to you, you can't say 20 grand when you wouldn't sell the LE for 20. I think it's a good thing that you're not going to buy a pinball for $20, 000. You're going to buy a pinball for $20, 000. Yeah. So you've got to put it in relative as to what the marketplace dictates. But if I couldn't buy one for $20, 000, I wouldn't get it for $20, 000. I'd never buy one. Yeah. That's just what I mean. Yeah. I just think... As for someone who really wants one, then they're the pricing. Yeah. $38, 000 for a LE and probably $50, 000 for a CE. Yeah, madness. Yep. Correct. Madness. Did you have a Best Buy? I didn't have a Best Buy this month. I did have a Best Buy. A Stern Stars for $2, 500. I think it was pretty sure it was fully working yeah just wasn't best shape obviously it's a machine but yeah pretty good price fun was even the dolled in for 9.8 that's pretty good bang for buck yep a modern-ish machine yeah under 10 grand yep yeah yeah the Stars won at two and a half that's a hard game to master yeah without a doubt but yeah that's that's probably a good buy Dodd in on it what'd you say no no nice no night so yeah you could probably knock I'll be honest with you, I think there's no point in trying to come down. Yeah, they just keep coming down. They keep falling and falling in. But that was my best buy for a newer machine. Yep. Yeah, no problems. Agree with that. I think it's a good bang for buck, honestly. It is. It is a tough machine to master as well, actually. Yeah. Agreed. What the Fuck is our next one? Our world famous What the Fuck? I've got two machines and both of them are from the same seller. Actually, technically it's three So we had a Munsters Premium Black and White Edition at $19, 500 show up on the page, which I just thought, considering the LEs were selling for $14-ish from memory. And what did I say even previously? Yeah, we had a Munsters LE, sorry I'm just going to grab my notes, at $15, 500. Yep. So this guy's trying to sell a black and white premium for $19, 500. Oh no, I did see that, yes, I did see that. $19, like what the fuck, dude? Yep. But not only that, this same seller had a Beetlejuice collector's edition and a James Bond LE extravaganza I remember this mate, yes. For a total of $50, 000. But yeah, I mean, he was advertising the Beetlejuice, so... You've got to pay the 50 grand, then you're still going to buy the machine, wasn't it? Was it? No, look, I didn't quite take the right amount of screenshots by the look of this, but... Because it was a bond for X amount, and then you pay this much for the Beetlejuice, but then you've still got to get the machine. He was basically trying to put mustard on top, which was really weird, and I didn't get this. So the Beetlejuice, the MSRP was $18.5. The topper was $28. So the total made $21, 299 and he'd paid $4, 150. So the balance to be paid to the Australian distributor was $17, 149. Now I presume you still would have to pay a deposit and unless he was giving up the deposit. That's the way I read it is he's giving up the deposit and you're paying 7149 but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's going to cost you the total of 21299 basically which is 18500 plus the topper of 2799. Okay, so 21, 299. I mean, if you just minus that off $50, 000, that leaves $28, 700 for a James Bond deli. What the actual fuck? So the original cost of the game, and he was kind enough to set this out in the sales, the original cost of the game was $20, 500. He got a playfield protector for $1, 000, a wire form kick up, a stern topper and a shooter I get the skin out of it. I get the skin out I get the skin out but it meeting the needs. It aids the overall today as you to close the smoke pit. I get the skin out I get it and if I try to keep it safe today starting the night or the night after then you've got that being that coffin that you've got to keep going on the back of the back of the back of the lui please making sure that the lights light the car light the critical part is the ch Ondo which sets up this by how it's apply to the play So, to you, I say, what the fuck. So, I guess we can move on from that, possibly, to... A little bit of a just the tip to tip. Just the tip, Matty. You got a tip for me this month? I do. I'm debating which one I wanna do, though, so... Do them all. Do them all! Unless you wanna leave some for next month. And that's what exactly I'm thinking about doing, honestly. If you love a machine which is a bit beat up and you wanna get it restored, Make sure you're going to keep this machine. Yeah. Because you don't want to go over capitalizing on a machine and then going, oh, it cost me 20 grand to get it restored and I'm going to put up for 20, 22 grand and you're not going to get that money back. Yeah. Especially if it's not an old SS style machine. Yeah, that's exactly right. So yeah, just think about if you're going to go restoration. Yep. Just if you want it, you love it, you got to keep it. Yep. I'm not going to talk about selling it to make a flip because that happened during COVID but not anymore. Yeah, agreed. Not at all. Especially not with fuel prices as well. What about you, mate? You got a tip? My tip was very simple. It was just be polite when making a listing. And I mean that in regards to I hate reading, you know, if the ad's up, it's still here, I won't respond to is this available, prices firm, no negotiation, you know, like just That sort of stuff where it comes across being too direct. I just think, you know, have an out of body experience, reread it and see if you would read it how someone else would possibly, that's all. So yeah, just beep a lot on your listings. That was my tip. Yep, that's fair enough. We'll move on to rumours and industry news. We've got a bit to cover in this one actually, don't we, with this sort of stuff. There's been a bit happening because of TPF. But you're going to have a bit more to say than me because like I said, I've been out I a bit of the I been too busy doing decking and not really following the pinball scene as much so you can have a bit more insight than me I appreciate you doing some research I did do some research but we already discussed it before So I'm just not as up to date as you are with it. Look, some of it I have, others didn't interest me, so I skipped over it to be honest. The first one was Yukon Yeti from Turner Pinball that came out as a new release game. What are your thoughts on that one? Yeah, look, I've only seen the trailer for it, and also the stuff that you posted up, so it looks nice, it looks well done. I like the lock shot. It's obviously... what do you call it? It's like the big brother of Whitewater, isn't it? Do you say that? Like, it's a different sort of layout. I would. Whitewater 2.0, basically. I'd prefer Whitewater 2. Yeah. Well, it's the same designer with Dennis Norton. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I think it looks fun. I'd like to play one. I'm pretty sure I saw animations on the screen. Yeah, it looks alright. The artwork doesn't look too bad. And I think they've just kind of improved on what Whitewater was. But although I... Does the Yeti move though? Or is he stagnant? I don't know. He looks stagnant. Yeah, because like if you remember Whitewater... Yeah, he did move around. He watched where the ball went. That's right. So... But yeah, the shots were fun. I don't know if it's an improvement on Whitewater. I think nothing, well not nothing, but I think to improve on whitewater is a bit tough. You know, you've had, and that's mainly because it's what, 35 years in the making, so to speak, not in the making, 35 years since it's making, so it's already stood the test of time, people love it, it's probably classified as an A grade machine where it should be maybe B, B+. It used to be a B grade machine and everyone wanted it as well, didn't they? Yeah, correct. What are your thoughts on it anyway? I think as an improvement it's tough. I really like the look of it in general. The layout's very similar as well. You are missing that whirlpool that it drops down into. It does, but again, you wouldn't expect them to do like for like. It's got that waterfall ramp on the left-hand side again, so that's real fun. I did read a couple of little tongue-in-cheeks in the hope that the ball still smashes into the glass on the way down. Yeah, on the way down. The slap, yeah, the ball slap. So that'll be interesting to see if that happens. I do like the lock shot and I like that you, it's like a throwback to, you know, Aerosmith and those sort of games, Mustang as well, where you can take a three-ball multiball or you can go for a four or five-ball multiball. Yes. So you have that risk-reward behind it to increase the multiball. It did look like, and I noticed on the actual Turner gameplay, that when it released those balls, four out of the five went straight down the middle. Literally, mate. He went, and obviously a ball save, I heard him say, I think that they're giving a longer ball save for the five ball, just to reward, you know, going through that. But Jesus, like if that just goes straight through, I'd just be like, what the hell's going on? That would have to be a ball save for sure. Yeah, but overall, like you, I quite liked, I mean, I did a YouTube video on it, so if you haven't and don't know that, guys, I've started up a YouTube channel, as I said at the top, so go have a bit of a look. But yeah, I quite like it. It looks like a tight shot, that lock shot, but looks rewarding once you stack them and kind of cool. Yeah, well, I like the upper right flipper as well, which allows you to come back up, you know, so if you miss the shot, you can come back up, keep repeating. Yep. But getting back to the, um, the lockball stacker, as I was saying to you before about the, um, I don't know if any of you guys know, but some of the cheap Chinese toys out there, it's, it's penguins on a staircase, which then they move up each staircase one at a time, one at a time, they get to the top, then they come down this little roller coaster thing because you've got wheels on the feet. Yep. It goes sliding and weeeeeeeeee and then get back to the steps. So like a marble run but with penguins? Well, that's right. It actually is pretty much in the step up, step up, step up. So as soon as I saw the I thought, yep, penguins. Penguins, yeah. That's a tribute to it, I think. A tribute, a little shout out, without a doubt. Yeah, look, I think overall, it definitely looks fun. I do like the artwork. I like that it's sort of a cartoony style. Looks like it's drawn quite well. I don't remember much of the animations, but I'm sure that'll be okayish, maybe. I think it'll be good. A lot of people aren't sure about the underside of it, though, I think it's a good thing because they don't have your typical mech style look about them when it comes to pop bumpers and all of that sort of stuff. And it's that one big board as well, isn't it? Correct, yeah, yeah. So people are a bit unsure about that. And also, I think as well, the playfield is a composite style playfield that Haggis tried. Yeah, okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, so I just actually I put up a post in again in the podcast page just seeing what people were interested in you know because obviously we had a bit to talk about with you know we've got this obviously there's Three Musketeers and the CV remake and I just you know put it out there see what people are interested in I got some good replies which was nice so you know Scott Whittington said he bought an Alice instead of the CV just because Mark Patterson, Whitewater Apologist, UConn, Some of them are really great, he does need to sit down when I see the landed price though, which we'll chat about in a minute because it's ridiculous. Chris Warren not interested in any of them. He doesn't mind the look of Yukon, but is waiting for JJP's Sonic. And when I saw that I'm like, oh, do I just hold off on buying something I wonder, yet? I just wish JJP weren't so expensive. Steven Haskell was the same, Yukon looks fun, but the same price as Spooky, you know, which This is Beetlejuice, so he's finding that hard to justify. I think you've got a better bang for Buckland's. Beetlejuice without a doubt. Yeah, Rowan's looking forward to the CV remake. Michael Keough, interested to see how the 100th anniversary of Houdini sells as well. So we'll chat about that later, Michael, but we are the same as well. Gavin Francis just liked the CV and it was John Cosson who said, poor old Musketeers, blocked from appearing due to US customs. And I think that Turner uses the same playfield construction that Haggis did. Plays well though for now. So I think John was over there because his daughter Emily, I think was playing in the championships that were over there. She actually won that, the women's championship. So a bit of a shout out to Emily there. Well done girl. That's awesome. So yeah, so I think based on that, people are maybe up in the air a little bit about Turner. And as you said, for the prize. I mean, what is it? I can't. I'm not too sure. I thought you talked that down before. So I think from memory, it's going to be around $17, 000 for it. And once you add some extras into it, you're hitting $20, 000. Yeah. You can't. Too much, I think. You can't. Especially for a small boutique company. Correct. As I said on my YouTube vid, I would have thought anywhere between $13, 000 to $14, 000 and throwing extras in with it. Like, why you're not giving people a shaker motor And the, you know, the good high quality non-reflective glasses beyond me. And at least a topper even as well. Are they, aren't they only doing a run of 500, I think? Yep. And that's the issue, because we've got to try and make some money out of it, I think. Mate, how much money are they, seriously? This is where they need to make more machines, but whether or not they're going to sell them, that's the next problem, isn't it? Regardless of... And then lower the price. Yeah, I get that, but I mean, they're not paying for a license. Yeah, that's right. So where's their money going? Have they paid $2 million to Dennis Nordman or something and run out of cash? Like it doesn't make sense that you have a non-licensed pinball machine at that sort of pricing. You know, they've obviously just gone, oh, well, that's what everyone's paying, so that'll be fine. That's exactly right. That's what they're doing. So I guess we'll wait and see because from memory, Merlin's Arcade hasn't sold out, so that's still available for sale. And the one before that... Ninja Assassin or something? That sold out obviously but I don't know how many they did of that but you know they've gone from selling out Ninja Assassin, not selling out Merlin's and now Yukon Yeti so I'll be interested to see how that goes but as I said for Australian dollars which is where we are it's it's too much I'm not spending 17 grand on that sort of machine no there ain't no way. The others that came out was the the Houdini LE. I don't think it's um they needed to make a I didn't think They sold all their well last time, did they? Well, they're doing it because it's the 100 year anniversary of Houdini. So I don't know if they're limiting it to 100 or not. I can't remember. But they've done new artwork. So Franchi, Christopher Franchi's done the artwork. The artwork looks better than the old one, but still doesn't change a machine. It's interesting too, because I saw on Reddit, and Reddit can be pretty volatile because the people on there are just volatile. But I did see on Reddit that people were like, oh, it's AI slop. So... Yeah, is it? Okay. Well, that's what they... As I said, it can be a bit of a volatile place if you're not sure of Reddit. The members are really weird. But yeah, it's interesting the feedback he's got there. But look, I thought it looked okay, but there was just no need for it. There's no need for it, 100%. It's not justified, I don't think. No. I don't think there's a calling for it. Honestly, I think they're going to be sitting there for another 10 years because the distributor All of these are around here. He's still got them in stock. There's just no call to go back to that. Definitely not in Australia at least. And then, you know, the other one is the Three Musketeers by Hexapinball. What a piece of shit that looks like. Guys, fucking stop with your 3D printing bullshit. It looks cheap. Fuck. I don't even care about the pricing. You guys have got no idea, I don't think. I know that's pretty harsh because I have no idea on how to make a pinball machine, but I can tell you what I don't like and that's... Everything would look like if you had air balls, it's going to snap. It just looks so bad. Yeah, Diluc would do it. So bad. Even the artwork, I wasn't going to get on really. Yeah, so bad. And then American Pinball remaking CV. Now, I got a bit of a slap from Michael Keogh, so thank you Michael. Like, mate, I thought you'd follow the news. I'm like, fuck, I didn't know about this. I didn't know you didn't know. Well, I guess the other side of it is that I, while I like rumors in pinball, I think when I'm posting and talking, I want to keep it about what's actually happening, because otherwise we could probably spend a whole day talking about rumors, let's be honest. You know, this is coming out and this logo. Well, the rumors as well that they're going to be doing the Totem and Theory of Magic and that's what it seems like. Yep, but let's talk about CV for the moment. We're there because it's the reimagined, isn't it? Yes, it's correct. Reimagined. So I think we were right in talking about doing the more modern bellies because people were talking about, oh, you know, we want, you know, the 70s, 80s SS machines. We don't need new strikes and spears. No, but did we, we spoke about that it was going to be the more modern bellies, didn't we? Yeah. So, but I'm not too sure how they're doing this because they haven't really released the information because they're saying they've got the classic version or the re-imaged version. Right. So I'm wondering, are they going to be remaking an exact copy of that machine? Yep. Being American pinball, you know how ugly their cabinets are. Yeah, shocking. You know, are they going to stick with the generic, you know, Bally Williams cabinet or are they going to do their silly cutouts, you know? Will it fold down into a clown and walk around your house instead of a battle tank? Yes. And is the screen going to be underneath still the playfield like it is on the original? Or is it going to have that silly little screw which is set off to the side? Yeah. Or is it going to be a big LCD? Oh, and that's what I mean. And since they're doing a classic version, you'd think they'd be doing something like what Haggis did, like just have the turn machine on and switch between game modes. That's what I would hope they'd do. Yeah. Okay. and not have um like one which is just the direct copy yep and then another machine which is a whole new different machine yep is a re reimagined to me that feels like it's going to be a new machine like it's something new yeah so someone else's take on the machine so it's interesting too that you know in in today's market that a lot of people is well i say a lot of people people don't understand how expensive We're going to talk about the mechs these days. Now if you look at the mechs on CV, you've got a pop-up balloon with two standard pop bumpers. You've obviously got a head as well, so you know, the ringmaster's head that comes up through the middle of the playfield. You've got magnets, you've got your little joker, what are they called, the holes. Yeah, they're little kickers. Yeah, so you got the little joker lock balls as well. Like there's a lot. You got that floating ball on that wire form that encases it like a top. You got a multiball lock up there. Like there's a lot in that. There is. Sure, there's no drop targets or anything like that, but there's a lot in that. I mean the price is probably going to be through the roof. I'd be guessing over 20. It'd have to be. There's still plenty on the market. If you want one, you can get one. Yep. Well, there's one sitting at $17, 500 at the moment. That's right. I just wonder whether or not that'll bring the price of the OGs up. Whether or not that'll have an effect on the marketplace. Or is it going to flood the market and make the price come down? Yeah. Or is it going to flood the market? Yeah. So, it'll be interesting to see. Especially if it's going to be entirely... because to me, like I said, reimagined, it means a whole brand new different machine, but just the Same name pretty much. But with the same, you know, same theme as well. Oh sorry, as well the backbox has the mechanism in it as well. The ball that kind of... Yeah, it hits the switch and comes down. Interesting. Interesting times. Definitely, definitely. But obviously if it was CGC, CGC making it, it would be just a direct copy. Yeah. With like what they did with Cactus Canyon with the version 2, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, and AFM and MM like they just did a remake of it. Yep. But yeah. Yeah, reimagining. But without the updated code, you know? Yeah. Yep. So then there's also the, um, supposedly, CGC's next machine after they finish off, uh, Medieval Madness, the Merlin edition, wasn't it? Right. The Merlin edition, whatever it was. They've, um, they're gonna start doing another run of Attack From Mars. Mm. Why? I don't know. Another run? I don't know. It's like, isn't there enough out there already? You would have thought so. So, so it's a bit crazy. Maybe they saw my post and thought Jared wants another attack from Mark, we'll make him another one. And that's exactly right. I have influence. They heard Jared. I have influence. None. Pokemon as well, you saw some stuff about Pokemon. Oh yeah, just a saw up the um, a modder has created the card dispenser. Yeah. So which sits in front of your coin slot door and it's, Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how it works. It looks like it just plugs in and there's obviously a setting in there that when you, pretty sure it's when you get either a high score, get enter your initials in, or if you get a replay, it'll eject a card out to you. Yeah, well he said, he said it would dispense a card when a certain achievement. Yeah, that's what I mean, yeah. So you can set that achievement by the sounds of it. It wouldn't be anything in the settings. Well, it must be through his software. Yeah, that's what I mean. But look that looks pretty cool Look especially it be novelty in your home It doesn but on the site I think it be pretty cool On site I can see Yeah yeah yeah Yeah you know for people who go yeah I got a high score and here your card Yeah, yeah. But yeah. I mean, it's just a mod that's, yeah, pretty, I mean, Stumbler is the guy that's done that. And yeah, I had to look it up because when you said there was a Pokemon card dispenser, I'm like, what the hell are we talking about here? You gotta keep up with the news, mate. I know I said to you that I was a little bit of attitude with it. What's going on? Yeah, but yeah, so it did, it looked okay and I think he said he just sort of invented it as a way of sort of, you know, his kids getting into it as a prize and doing something good out of it. So yeah, I don't mind that. And there was a topper as well that you said, but even though you sent me a look, I had, yeah, there was nothing there to chat about. They just reckon there's going to be, I don't know what the fish's name is, but a Pokemon fish which will sit on the top and flap its tail like a, or wriggle around or whatever it does, like the fish tail's top a bit. Yeah. Why can't they do something different? Why can't they have a Pokemon ball up there that opens up or something and Pikachu comes out or something? Yeah. You know, have a Charizard come out. We'll have three different characters in there, they can, one come out at a time. Well I saw on muster is obviously as you know because of my 3d printing I think there was a guy that had printed a 3d topper that was quite large like it must have been what's 65 how wide no so it's a 700 wide box so it must have been yeah maybe six to 600 odd wide and it just had you know the main pokemon ball which is the red white yeah ball in the middle and then had some characters off�ACE RECOVERY miesSochen he I did see that. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not quite, I'm just going to have a quick look. It's called Jack in the Box. It's currently pending as a trademark, but the thing for it is downloadable computer software for interfacing with pinball and arcade game machines, downloadable mobile applications, computer game software, computer game software for use on mobile phones. They used to have bloody pin score back in the day, remember? They did, yeah. Yeah, yeah they did so it's um... So they can all be just a software update on computer, at least you won't have to go buy an Insider Connect or whatever you want to call it, a jack-in-the-box connect on put on your machine. Yeah. You should just be able to download the app and log into the machine. Yep. And I'm sure they'll have a QR code on the machine when you're on location. Yeah. Yeah that's all there. Just put just a printed out one or a magnetic um, apron card, sure they could do that. Yep, yep. So they had a bit of interest there as well. And then also Spooky, they showed off a... did you have a watch of it? I couldn't find it again. I had a bit of a search and all I found was the older speech stuff that they'd done where they talk to the machine and it turns on. Because you're talking about the Spooky speech, aren't you? Yeah, well that's exactly what they did. I didn't think there was a video of that before, was there? Yeah. I thought they only just showed it off the other day. No, I think we covered in one of our... Did we? Yeah, one of our earlier... I thought you... No, no, I know, but we never saw it actually happen. Yeah, I think he was in the background talking and it turned on. So we'll move on and have a bit of a chat about a favorite. You wanted to chat about your favorite era of pinball. No, our favorite era. It's going to be yours and mine and yours. So I was going to ask you the hard question. Okay. What is your favorite era of pinball? It could be anything. You're obviously 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, noughties, teens. I don't know what we're in now. So I suppose for me, I started in pinball in 2007-ish. That's when I sort of started getting into pinball. So I was very much locked into pinball from that onwards. But that didn't necessarily make me think of that era and that's what I loved. I just went back to think about what is my favourite now after almost 20 years in pinball. Tim Kitzrow, Yeah, almost 20 years of pinball. What is my favorite era? So I actually went on to Pinside and as you know they've got a top 100, but you can make a custom top 100. So I decided to do that and I did it based off my 90s era because I feel like that is This is my current era of pinball that I really, really like. Now the top 100, if I start from the bottom, the very bottom one was South Park. Number 100, South Park. Just as a fuck you, Matt. But when you... So this actually changes to the noughties 2000s machines, mate? You're stuffed. No, no. That's made 1999. Good try. So the top 10, I mean this is a pretty sick top 10 man. You've got Medieval Badness, Tales of the Arabian Nights, Scared Stiff, Star Trek Next Generation, and Theatre of Magic was in there as well. Now, I mean, right under that you've got CV at 11, which I would argue should probably be above Star Trek Next Gen, even above Scared Stiff. Yep. But as you just sort of skip through them, you know, you've got Getaway High Speed 2, which is an awesome machine, Bram Stoker's Dracula, which a lot of people like, Cactus Canyon, believe it or not, at number 20, Congo Fishtails. And is this the order you put them in? No, no, no, this is based off Pinside's top 100. Oh, sorry. So I thought you made a top 100. I did. Oh yeah, but from the 90s. I made a top 100 of the 90s and what they do is they extrapolate the information of their top 100 and it actually goes to about 400 and then they put it in order of ratings that the Pinside have put it in. So I thought you manually chose them yourself. No, no, not at all. Because otherwise I'm very confused with your selection there. No, not at all, not at all. I'm just running through the machines that are now in that top 100 and hence why I feel like the 90s is the best era for me. So yeah, so Cactus Canyon lands at 20. Hugely popular and I know at the time there weren't many around whereas it's a bit different now. But you know, Congo, Fishtails, Indy 500, there's Champion Pub in there as well. You know, Big Bang Bar, Johnny Mnemonic, Radical Made It, admittedly, you know, starting to get into the 50s now, to be fair, Safe Cracker, so a very, very unique style game. Something I might get one day and I should have bought that one. Yep, you know, Lethal Weapon 3, so again, very, very popular in that regards, and then, yeah, as I said, at the very, very bottom, right underneath Hook, South Park. So, for me looking at that, that was a no-brainer because I actually did a list of my era of 2007 just to visually and mentally compare what I've seen comparable to the 90s. Would you believe I saw Jaws in there twice? Twice. I saw Godzilla in there twice. I saw Medieval Madness three times. And that's all in the top 20. Yeah. Because you've got a remakes and all this sort of shit. Okay. So you're saying in 2007, what? So I created a list, a top 100 list from 2000 to now. Oh, okay. Sorry, 2007 to now. Okay. Because you can do that. So that's, as I said at this top, that's my, that's where I started in pinball. So I was like, okay. So I wanted to compare what I'd seen in pinball comparable to what I thought was the best era of the 90s. So to repeat myself, Jaws is in there twice, Godzilla is in there twice, Medieval Madness is in there three times, Attack from Mars was in there like a few times as well. But those three machines alone are in the top 20. So out of the top 20, seven are from three different titles. Like I just thought, are we just in an era of manufacturers repeating themselves? They are void of any type of good high quality titles. So they're just like, let's pump Elvira House of Horrors was in there like three or four times, you know, because she's had a blood red machine and a anniversary machine and a special this and a special that. Back from Mars with us the same. So I just felt like for me, when you look at those 90s machines, the mechs that were involved, the gameplay, the IPs, and just that overall nostalgic feeling, which is maybe what I'm missing from the last 20 years. So maybe in 20 years time, it might be a bit different. But I just felt like the 90s for me was the era of machine. I couldn't say that much better than that. I don't think, almost, but it's very hard. You couldn't say it much better. Oh, no, no, but I'm just going to say, I'm just going to talk about my era. Sorry, I didn't mean to come across like that. I was about to say, but my choice, it is the 90s as well, 100%. So there's no real but then because we agree. Oh, no, no, but I just want to give my reasons. Yeah, I know, but there's no but. I agree, it's 90s for me as well. Yep. But... Yep. It's fucking... Oh, shouldn't say that. Too late. It is very hard because Metallica is my favorite machine. Yep. I do enjoy a lot of the new machines, especially with the Spike 2 system, and Jersey Jack coming into the scene as well. We've got these big movie assets, we've got these beautiful animations there. Yep. We've got a lot of assets in there. And I feel like Jersey Jack pulled us into the LCD era as well. Yes. They made everyone get better. Oh, they did. Yeah, 100%. But unfortunately, the mechs in all the new machines are lacking. They're pretty average compared to the 90s. And also how they withstand as well. Some of these mechs, I've got machines that are 30 plus years old and they're still going strong. Haven't had to fix them, but had to fix new things on brand new machines out of the box. We are sort of losing assets with Stern with things, I believe. Yeah, yeah, 100%. And we're just getting less for our money. Yeah. So it's 100% 90s for me. I grew up in that era. That's, as I've said at the start, you know, especially every time I went to time zone, I was on a pinball machine. If there was ever a pinball machine I could play, I'd play it. But we still have a good time at the moment. We still have, yeah, it's fun. Yeah, I agree with you that certainly, you know, your JJPs and that are pushing the boundaries a little bit. I must admit when I looked at my custom top 100 list that I did from 2007 to 2026, obviously what stood out was Woz and you know, Pirates and Hobbit to me as defining moments of pinball where I remember Wizard of Oz and everyone shit all over that big LCD screen, you know, they just put a TV in the back, what do you need that for? But everyone's kind of following in that space now. So, well it took Stern, I think it was about four years to catch three years because Wizard of Oz was 2014. Yep. And then Stern went on to spike two in 2016. So, not far off. Yeah. And I guess they were, they were smart in not doing a knee jerk. They wanted to do it right and to their credit, they certainly have. But yeah, I just, I couldn't go past everything that we had in the nineties in regards to what's, what's happened now. As I said, that, that repeat that what's going on now with these And so I got so many repeatable models you know, and vault as well, that started coming in. Yes. It's just like That's exactly, I know. It's dumb. It just left a sour taste in my mouth, comparable to reading through that list. I was like And yeah, and you had full IP back in the day. You had everything. Nothing was skimped on. And actually you know what I was meant to say as well? You only had one machine. You didn't have a pissing contest about having a collector's machine or you know, you just purely got one machine and that's it. Everyone's got the sam e machine. Yeah. It's a much better community, better vibe instead of going, oh, I've got a collector's edition. Yeah. You know? Yep. And spending a hell of a lot of money for no reason. Yeah. When, you know, you could get the premium for the exact same thing, lower price, but we could just go for a good old Bally Williams or 90s machine and you've just got the full kit and caboodle there. Yeah. So, but next thing, the worst era was early noughties. From pretty much 2000, probably about 2007, around that era. Machines were just... no crap. Yeah, like the X-Men and... No, no, I'm also mean like, example, the Playboy. Yeah. The 2000s Playboy. It's pretty crap. Yeah, even Austin Powers, good layout but just a slow machine. You know, I was gonna, I actually thought South Park was in there but it's 99 but we'll still push it over 2000. You know, I just felt the early thousands, they lost connection. Even with bloody, um, Buck Hunter. Yep. You know, I've got the machine. I still enjoy it, but it's not a highly rated machine in my books. I'd just like the community to finally hear that Matt called South Park a piece of shit. No, I didn't really. You did. A lot. I'm going to have that on repeat. You're going to edit that? Yeah, edit it repeatedly so it repeats in the podcast over and over again. Yeah, that was interesting, mate. I appreciate that discussion. It was a good one to have. We have, if anyone's got their thoughts, again, email us or PM us, whatever you want to do. The email's pinballozwide@hotmail.com. So feel free to throw something down or comment. And the reason why you think it's the best year. Yeah, yeah. And we can chat about it as a follow up if needs be next month and just see where others, if they have a differing of opinion. So that kind of brings us towards the end. We've just got emails, which we didn't get any emails. Admin rant moving on. I don't think there's really much, is there? I don't have it. Everyone's been well behaved. Except for the couple of PMs that I've been getting. Everyone has been well behaved. So I guess this is a wrap then, isn't it? This is a wrap. Yes. So thank you for everyone for having a listen and I hope you enjoyed this podcast. Like and subscribe as always. Matty, I'll catch you next month, no doubt. Catch mate. Enjoy. Matt's just taken a phone call. That's interesting. We'll just wait for Matt, shall we? So certainly if you are a listener and you're not yet on the page, please find us, join the page. I mean it's pretty simple, PinballOzWide Podcast, I think it's called. I know, have a chuckle, why don't you, you fucking cunt. That's a C.