This man is totally insane. Thank you! I was going to say, for an original You will sell tens of units, I guarantee it. Jingle all the way is like a panned movie that was a huge commercial flop It rules though really expensive actors to license I assume but it does rule Gremlins I think is like an actual good commercial pick That would actually sell. I could see someone doing it. That would go hot on Pinside. Like, Pinside guys would be like, yeah, this is cool shit. Exactly. Nightmare Before Christmas, I think. We're coming right after the, this is recording right after the release of Beetlejuice. And so, you can see that one being a big hit, too. It doesn't really, it's not really Christmas-y. it's not really halloweeny but it's a really it counts as holiday between yeah and it would also work year round no that would go nuts gremlins or nightmare before christmas would be the two that i could actually see happening if we're ever going to get like a overt holiday game anyway that gets us back to the list we've made it to uh second place here so with this one anyone local to wedgehead probably knew this game would be coming but we gotta go second place the classic gotlieb sing-along or melody as it's known in add a ball form this is a game that usually finds its way to the floor of wedge during the christmas season holiday season the copy you get to play there is actually a game i believe that's the copy that belonged to wedge co-owner road sees family when he was a kid right yeah that's the game he had in his house when he was a kid which is i can't imagine roads as a kid you just have that guy fucking just like i just feel like he would have an unlimited amount of energy as a child but yeah it is kind of the original wedgehead wedgehead which i think is always kind of uh fun and it's kind of like a fun tradition seeing it pop up there hopefully we get it yeah and it'll be here soon so it'll be on the floor i didn't want to post it in the episodes i didn't know how it was doing and stuff but i do think it's just a fun tradition to see it we'll kind of get into we'll touch on that a little bit more in a bit but the game itself it's made in 1967 it's an ed krinsky design art by art art stenholm that is this is a this is a single player game about caroling which is a hot theme people have been asking for caroling type games because i work for the post office so you know i'm not stable i think it's kind of ironic that it's a caroling game and it's single player that's just funny to me about that uh it's a great two inch flipper game very addicting rule set very nice art package with an interesting perspective on the play field i always am impressed with that play field yeah it's beautiful and it's a nice cool wintry cabinet colors i love the light blues and stuff on the cabinet yeah it's good shit that it's just a fun game that it is a it's it's a fun game it is very overtly holiday themed in a way that you wouldn't see anyone do today it's like who's gonna be you know you can't sell an operator a like a caroling no game and it's funny because it's like it's warm and fuzzy like so syrupy sweet like norman rockwell well it's exactly what i was trying to think thomas kincaid type of like this is like the nostalgic chris like you guys it is christmas caroline it's just the nostalgic holiday game uh before we get to number one we should run through some other wintry games or honorable mentions that was the word i was trying to think of earlier oh yeah like an honorable mention that's a you know a tough one for me apparently but i want to talk about some games that didn't make it to the list uh winter games aren't necessarily holiday games but there are a lot of winter sport games out there one of the more recent ones relatively speaking is wipeout a system three game from gottlieb premiere it's about snowboarding alan loves this game i do wipeout's fun as hell like is it do you consider it a holiday game the north pole them are fighting words partner put them up i mean it's a winter game it's a winter game see that's where my distinct i was like yeah it doesn't feel like holiday i don't maybe that's just my bias because i didn't like i i grew up kind of snowboarded a little bit as a kid and stuff but it doesn't feel like a holiday thing snowboarding's not like a family thing doesn't feel like cozy that's why i'm like taxi even though it's only 20 santa feels like a winter game to me it feels cozy about it but i'm also white belt's more like based on the life and adventures of gary stern it's just more about getting out there and ripping the crud like just being a gnarly old dude on the mountain it's true another another noteworthy winter sport game would be hotdogging. Dude, hotdogging's a good one. The big old bally wide body game about skiing, not hotdogs. Apparently, hotdogging was common enough slang at the time of release to be used for a game title. It's very confusing. But if you're thinking about hotdogs now and want a game about hotdogs, you can go play Funhaus instead. So Funhaus, hotdog game, hotdogging, skiing game. I've actually, I don't know if I've ever played this thing. It's like one of the ballies that's eluded me. Does your dad never say, did he not ever refer to you as a hot dog or acting like a hot dog? No. Okay, so my dad definitely did when I was a kid, but I think it was- Like is it like when you're like showboating? Yeah, and I think it was really something that his dad would say. That makes sense. Like I think it was something from like- It's like trickled down. Like he barely said it. Was hot dogging like- Like quit being a hot dog. I'm gonna deck your halls, bub. okay i yeah like yeah i mean it makes sense was it associated with skiing at all like would they if they had had like like showboating obviously doesn't sound cool but like is it the same just call them game showboating or we're like guys were like oh that guy you like saw someone the slopes you know hitting a sick fucking uh mogul run or whatever they were doing on skis in the 1980s you're like that guy's really hot dogging i'm sure it was just like wearing really flashy gear yeah brand new stuff and like just being annoying like it's just like being a fucking hot dog it makes sense that makes sense there's also just a ton once you get past those are the only two solid states i could think of which is interesting because you don't have to go very far back and there are a ton of like snow adjacent ems are there any that you can think of off your top your head that are like favorites or noteworthy from ems yeah from ems that are wintry themed they don't have to be necessarily sport or whatever related well you have one right here it's my favorite well i put that on there so you won't forget it's why it's my favorite wedge head it's called north star it has a cartoonish depiction of inuit people check that in the notes yeah but it's cute and it's an incredible game yeah it's the best that game is just unbelievably good another two inch flipper game like genuinely like one of the best wedge heads if you guys have one and you want to get rid of it so that I can cherish it forever, reach out. If you're feeling the giving spirit. Yeah, give me. What do I want for Christmas? I want a Gottlieb North Star. Dude, realistic. It's not even an expensive game. For less than $1,000, you can make me happy for the rest of my life. Remarkable. I think I've had it on my pin side wish list since we went to past times a couple years ago. It's like you never see it pop up. It's just like unobtainium, which is a bummer because it's a cool game. And it's also, it's one of those games that you look at and it doesn't have like a particularly, like you don't see that play field and you're like, I need to play this. At least I didn't. And then we started playing it and you're like, this is incredibly addictive. And it's just so lively because you have all the pops and stuff. It's just a really, that's a very, very fun. That's what I love about playing the two inch flipper games. And I don't expect all of our listeners to necessarily just like jump right in and get it or enjoy these games. What I really like about them as I've grown to experience them is that unlike a modern game where like a modern game gets released and we look at the overhead view and we can sort of be like, I kind of get what's going on here. Yeah. You see like a game and you're like, I kind of get how this is going to feel to shoot. You do not get that feeling when you're looking at like an old wedge head like this or something like they reveal the beauty. like as you continue you get to know that you get to see the shots don't get me wrong but like it it's hard to tell what's magic and what just sucks until you're playing it ems are a hard one for me to be like like i've had so many games where i'm like this is the raddest looking em all time the rules seem like cool and stuff and then you go play and it just falls flat yeah and then you have other ones that completely blow you away and they look like nothing look like nothing yeah and you're just like man it is interesting which are good i think there's a lot to be learned from ems i mean obviously like pinball design influence wise but just like i think in all if you if you have an appreciation for like design in any any aspect of design i think you could learn a lot from from the ems and like what there is there and how they reveal themselves and the little differences between a good and a bad game razor's edge exactly it's like a very thin line uh some other noteworthy ones i was just going to call out gottlieb crisscross it's a wood rail with good Roy Parker art featuring a fucking idiot on the back glass, embarrassing himself in front of a bunch of girls. It's like the funniest one I saw. I was like, oh my God. Like they just kind of have like these cute Roy Parker girls sitting there in their ski gear. And then there some dude who just ate shit in front of them And I was like that funny That why it crisscross because the skis are right like that yeah it like a yard sale or something snow derby is another gotley but we got one of those you do yeah oh that cool or we might have snow queen yeah we might have the four player snow derby yeah i can't remember i was just kind of putting a handful of ones i liked the art on it's got great art featuring our snowmobile race on the back very cool i like the games that just kind of have like i always like like there's that any of them that have like a little like mini pit bikes on them shit like that is always just funny to me i'm like oh yeah this is good like 60s stuff like baby boomers just had the coolest toys when they were growing up chicago quine made holiday in 1948 it's not don't don't fall for it again this is confusing it's not winter like holiday themed in the way we think necessarily it's just like holiday in like the european use of like we're going on holiday so it does feature some ski scenes but it also features like summer like at the beach scenes and i don't like that i'm like pick a lane dude like commit to the holiday i don't like the i don't like using the word holiday to mean uh just vacation well we got no beeswax candles but these scented regular wax candles will do just fine girl those stink sticks are for single women who take baths if your kinds of candles ain't 100 beeswax you bring shame on yo people that upsets me so i just wanted to call that out don't get fooled by uh the by the chicago coin holiday it's not on the list and then non-american companies also worth noting uh really seem to get in on this it was kind of like the same way that it's like i don't know of another like everybody doing like card game themes a lot of ems like a lot of other people like other countries put out games with like snow sport themes sega made seporo which is one of it's considered one of the best Sega EMs from back in the 70s. It's based on the Winter Olympics held in Sapporo. Zakaria made Ski Jump. There's a lot of oddballs. If you go to IPDB and you search by snow theme, there's like... You can search by snow theme? Snow is a tagged theme. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's kind of how I was sourced and stuff here. There's a lot more games than you would expect probably, but almost all of them are EMs and a good number of them weren't made in America, which is interesting. Like 50% of the snow themes are like exports or whatever we would call them. Well, imports to us. Imports to us. Yeah.