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System 11 Era Part 2: Deep dive into 1989–1990 Williams/Bally releases with design, sales, and gameplay analysis.
Black Knight 2000 sold 5,700 units, a relatively low number for a sequel to the original Black Knight.
high confidence · Alan discussing Black Knight 2000 sales figures.
Transporter to Rescue sold only 860 units, making it the lowest-selling game in this segment of System 11.
high confidence · Hosts discussing Transporter to Rescue production numbers.
Police Force was originally developed as a licensed Batman game based on the Tim Burton film, but Williams walked away from the licensing deal because they couldn't use the likenesses of Michael Keaton or Jack Nicholson.
high confidence · Alan citing Roger Sharpe account on previous episodes; detailed explanation of retheme process.
Dennis Norman, the designer of Elvira and the Party Monsters, was injured in a motorcycle accident while riding dirt bikes with the Ritchie brothers and was hospitalized during the game's finalization.
high confidence · Hosts discussing Dennis Nordman accident and how Steve Ritchie, Mark Ritchie, and Jim Patla stepped in to help finalize the design.
Radical! was made with only 1,300 units produced and sells for approximately $6,000–$10,000 on the secondary market.
medium confidence · Hosts discussing rarity and collector pricing; some uncertainty expressed about exact secondary market values.
Rollergames was originally being developed as American Gladiators but switched to the Rollergames license.
high confidence · Alan noting Roger Sharpe previous disclosure that American Gladiators was the intended license.
Bad Cats features 11 stray cats that Python Angelo observed near his apartment close to the Williams building, each with names and backstories he documented on a card.
high confidence · Hosts recounting Python Anghelo personal inspiration for the game's cat characters.
Whirlwind is ranked #64 overall and is considered the #1 ranked System 11 game by some ranking systems, with 7,300 units sold.
“The song exceeds the game. I feel like there are fans of Bad Religion because it's just like, it's the guitar and then the oohs and aahs that you'd get through all the early Bad Religion albums.”
Ty Palmer @ Early discussion of Black Knight 2000 — Reflects the quality of audio production on System 11 games and the often-superior soundtrack vs. gameplay experience.
“It's the danger of Bally merging with Williams—you introduced all those soft Bally boys to the edgy world of Williams.”
Ty Palmer @ Discussing Elvira and the Party Monsters context — Humorous comment about cultural clash between Bally and Williams design philosophies during merger integration.
“They were outsold by Police Force and we thought we had a better game like as that design team.”
Greg Freres (cited from earlier episode) @ Hosts referencing prior interview with art director — Highlights tension between commercial success and perceived design quality; Elvira design team felt their game was superior.
“The meow, meow, meow, meow in the seafood. How often do you sing that to your own cat?”
Alan @ Discussing Bad Cats sound design — Demonstrates the earworm quality of Bad Cats' iconic meow call-outs and cultural staying power.
“Neon should be used as a weapon, dude. And it's used as a weapon.”
Ty Palmer @ Analyzing Game Show's art palette — Commentary on bold, unconventional color theory in 1990s pinball art design.
“Steve Ritchie doesn't really miss.”
Alex the Waterboy @ After discussing Roller Games — Recognition of Steve Ritchie's consistency as a designer across multiple eras and platforms.
“It's one of two games that are in Tony Hawk's personal office.”
Alan @ Discussing Radical! collector status and significance — Validates Radical!'s cultural impact and prestige within skateboarding community; owned by Tony Hawk himself.
historical_signal: Discussion of System 11 era as a golden age of bold, thematic pinball design; hosts express nostalgia for creative freedom and unusual themes no longer seen in modern manufacturing.
high · Alan: 'This is why I love this era so much. It's like, we don't get this anymore.' Repeated references to weird, unhinged art and gameplay that would not be approved in contemporary era.
design_innovation: Center ramp shot becomes ubiquitous design element across early 1990 releases (Police Force, Mousin' Around, Game Show, Radical!); identified as both a signature feature and gameplay balancing issue.
high · Multiple games discussed feature center ramps. Alan notes: 'It's the add test for me like if I can keep hitting that over and over again.' Hosts identify broken single-shot loops as design flaw requiring compensation.
product_concern: Bally carrot flippers noted for reliability issues and spongy feel compared to Williams hardware; plastic ramp guards crack frequently on Mousin' Around.
high · Alan: 'Don't get dissuaded by those ugly fucking Bally carrot flippers.' Discussion of missing ramp guards on Mousin' Around causing unsafe ball returns.
market_signal: Significant sales variation across System 11 titles: best performers (Whirlwind 7,300 units) vastly outsold rarest titles (Transporter 860 units); suggests collector appeal and licensing impact on commercial viability.
high · Production numbers: Whirlwind 7,300, Police Force 4,700, Mousin' Around 3,000, Transporter 860; hosts note licensing failures (Police Force retheme from Batman, Roller Games from American Gladiators).
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high confidence · Alan providing pinside ranking and production numbers for Whirlwind.
“I love this era so much. It's like, we don't get this anymore.”
Alan @ Transition to Doctor Dude discussion — Expresses nostalgia for the creative freedom and thematic diversity of early 1990s pinball design vs. modern era.
“This is why I love this era so much. It's like, we don't get Radical. We don't get Dr. Du[de].”
Alan @ End of Radical! discussion, transitioning to Doctor Dude — Reinforces wistfulness about design boldness and thematic weirdness in 1990 vs. contemporary pinball landscape.
“Don't get dissuaded by those ugly fucking Bally carrot flippers. The game's very good.”
Alan @ Discussing Transporter to Rescue — Acknowledges Bally hardware aesthetic limitations while advocating for the quality of the underlying game design.
collector_signal: Radical! highly coveted due to rarity (1,300 units) and skateboarding theme nostalgia; commands premium prices ($6k–$10k) on secondary market; owned by Tony Hawk as cultural artifact.
medium · Alan: 'Some collector wanted to spend stupid money on it. Like 10 grand?' Ty: 'I think they're like six-ish.' Reference to Tony Hawk ownership as validation of prestige.
design_philosophy: Early 1990s System 11 era characterized by unconventional and provocative themes (Bad Cats, Pool Sharks' mixed-medium anthropomorphs, Radical! skateboard youth culture, Elvira horror parody).
high · Extensive discussion of art packages and themes; hosts praise 'weirdness' and unconventional design choices; Pool Sharks analyzed for awkward mixing of realistic women with cartoon sharks; Radical! celebrated as slice of California skate culture.
personnel_signal: Dennis Norman's motorcycle accident during Elvira finalization required intervention by Steve Ritchie, Mark Ritchie, and Jim Patla; game design completed by team despite designer incapacity.
high · Detailed account from hosts: 'Dennis had a pretty serious accident...he had to spend some time in the hospital when this game was getting finalized. Jim Patla...stepped in.'
licensing_signal: Police Force was originally Batman game but Williams abandoned licensing due to inability to secure Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson likenesses; Roller Games intended as American Gladiators before license fell through.
high · Alan citing Roger Sharp's prior episode disclosure; notes on both games confirming theme pivots due to licensing constraints or deadline pressure.
gameplay_signal: Hosts reference tournament play affecting game balance perception; Black Knight 2000 modified by removing metal return rails in competitive play to increase difficulty and reduce safe feeding patterns.
high · Ty: 'I've actually seen a mod...they took out metal return rail...so like if you drain out of the upper playfield...it won't feed it directly back to flipper.' Competitive modification suggests design balance issue.
community_signal: Hosts reference specific arcade venues (Wedgehead, Next Level, Rhodes) and their game rosters; curator decisions drive availability and player exposure to different titles.
high · Multiple references to playing games 'at Next Level' or 'at Wedgehead'; Alan: 'We're gonna have this one back on the floor' (Whirlwind); discussion of Rhodes having owned Radical! at one point.
product_strategy: Elvira confirmed as first of licensed trilogy; service-industry game family (Diner, Truck Stop implied; Bartender mentioned as produced) suggests deliberate thematic product families.
high · Alan: 'This is the first of the trilogy, right?' on Elvira; discussion of service industry games (Diner, Truck Stop, potential Bartender) as related product line.