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Straight Down the Middle ranks top 10 most overrated pinball machines, led by Quicksilver and The The Addams Family.
Kingpin (Capcom) originals still sell for $15,000-$20,000 despite lacking sufficient gameplay depth for the price
high confidence · Greg discussing #10 entry; claims originals command high secondary market prices
Raymond Davidson (ranked #1 competitive player) loves Family Guy, which Zach considers overrated
high confidence · Zach explicitly names Raymond Davidson as #1 player who disagrees with his Family Guy criticism
The The Addams Family is one that owners eventually stop playing after experiencing the mansion tour once
high confidence · Both hosts describe consistent pattern: owners say they like it but don't want to replay it; theme wears thin after initial experience
Quicksilver is described as having an ugly all-green playfield and poor cabinet design that doesn't justify its high secondary market price
high confidence · Zach's #1 pick; explicitly calls it 'expensive turd,' criticizes green playfield and side cabinet design
White Water lacks wizard mode and deep rules despite high pricing and community praise
high confidence · Greg's #7 entry with disclaimer that he later reconsidered his position; cites missing wizard mode as weakness
Big Bang Bar is purely driven by rarity rather than gameplay quality and is being remade by an unnamed company
medium confidence · Zach's #3 entry; mentions remake talks but refuses to name the manufacturer out of respect for the people involved
Elvira and the Party Monsters secondary market prices range from $1,700-$2,300+ despite weak System 11 rules
high confidence · Greg lists specific price points ($1,700, $2,000, $2,300) for used machines; criticizes weak rules
Batman 66 has no strong signature shot that makes it distinctive, despite being praised for George Gomez rotisserie design
high confidence · Zach asks anyone who toutes the game to name their favorite shot and gets non-answers; notes rotisserie is complex but doesn't translate to fun
“it's an expensive piece of turd if you got it in your collection”
Zach@ 11:20 — Zach's blunt summary of Quicksilver as #1 most overrated; headline-grade criticism of competitive favorite
“they might be classics they might be the greatest but come on you guys put them on this pedestal we're about to knock them off”
Greg@ 1:26 — Sets tone for list: challenging community consensus on machines based on rarity/status rather than play value
“the only reason anybody should ever own party monsters is if you have the other two games and just want to completely try effectively”
Zach@ 8:43 — Dismisses Elvira and the Party Monsters as purely collector's set piece with no standalone value
“once you get through the tour of the mansion you don't need to tour it anymore”
Greg@ 13:41 — Key criticism of Addams Family: novelty wears off quickly, doesn't have lasting replay value
“i'll never understand quicksilver... buy seven meteors”
Zach@ 14:36 — Explicit price-to-value critique; suggests alternative classic machines offer better value
“send hate mail right in the comments section below”
Greg@ 5:17 — Greg's self-aware comment after including White Water on overrated list despite having praised it previously; acknowledges controversy
sentiment_shift: Despite praising iconic designers like George Gomez and Pat Lawler, hosts argue their machines are overrated by the community; suggests design pedigree no longer guarantees modern play value or justifies secondary market prices
high · Multiple critiques of Pat Lawler games (Family Guy, Safe Cracker) and George Gomez (Batman 66) with explicit acknowledgment of their talent but rejection of the games' worth
market_signal: Consistent pattern: machines command high secondary market prices ($1,700-$20,000+) not justified by gameplay depth, rules complexity, or replay value according to hosts
high · Kingpin ($15-20K), Elvira PM ($1.7-2.3K+), Quicksilver (expensive but price not specified), Spirit (hefty price tag mentioned), all criticized despite pricing
collector_signal: Rarity drives collector desire independent of actual gameplay quality; machines like Big Bang Bar valued primarily for scarcity rather than fun factor
high · Zach explicitly states Big Bang Bar is 'purely driven by the rarity,' and notes fluorescent plastic and rarity as reasons for value despite poor gameplay
gameplay_signal: Theme-heavy machines (Addams Family, Family Guy) have high one-time appeal but diminishing replay value; players exhaust core novelty (mansion tour, level progression) quickly
high · Consistent testimony: Addams Family owners say they like it but don't want to replay; playfield novelty wears thin after initial experience; compared to rewatching a film once
community_signal: Competitive players' game preferences (Quicksilver, Batman 66) diverge significantly from casual/collector enthusiasm; hosts predict anger from tournament community over Quicksilver ranking
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“everyone that i've ever talked to that owns an adams family says yeah really liked it but... if you're a pinball person it's like twilight zone you gotta own it at least once”
Zach@ 13:13 — Captures the cultural status vs. actual replay value disconnect for Addams Family
“i don't want to spend that much money and lug it to the basement and then pull it out in three weeks because i'm done”
Zach@ 13:49 — Describes the actual collector experience that contradicts the enthusiast community's passionate praise
high · Zach states Quicksilver ranking 'is gonna make all the competitive players very angry'; notes tournament players defend complex layouts that casual players find boring
design_philosophy: Hosts distinguish between visual/thematic appeal and actual playfield mechanics; criticize machines where theme/aesthetics (Batman 66 rotisserie, Big Bang Bar fluorescence) overshadow weak shot design or rule depth
high · Batman 66: George Gomez rotisserie is complex but 'doesn't translate to fun'; Big Bang Bar: 'neat looking' but poor gameplay; Family Guy/Shrek: same playfield layout philosophy criticized
product_strategy: Big Bang Bar is being remade by an unspecified manufacturer; hosts find remake inexplicable given the game's poor gameplay despite rarity; suggests potential strategic miscalculation in IP remaster selections
medium · Zach mentions remake talks but refuses to name manufacturer 'because I love the people there'; explicitly questions why it would be remade when gameplay doesn't support it
industry_signal: Pat Lawler appears on multiple overrated list entries (Family Guy, Safe Cracker, possibly Shrek); suggests potential shift in community perception of his design philosophy or era
medium · Greg apologizes to Pat Lawler multiple times; Zach expresses strong dislike for his layout approaches; multiple entries attributed to his designs
gameplay_signal: Machines with complex rules (Quicksilver, Batman 66) don't guarantee enjoyment if core shots are boring or repetitive; rules depth alone insufficient to justify collector value
high · Zach re Quicksilver: 'I don't even care about the rules the rules are fine'; Batman 66: complex rotisserie doesn't overcome boring shots; Elvira PM: stacking mechanics insufficient for price
content_signal: Hosts explicitly anticipate backlash and invite disagreement in comments; suggest underrated machines video as counterpoint; position list as deliberately provocative for engagement
high · Greg invites hate mail; Zach says list 'might ruffle some feathers'; both reference companion underrated list; ask for feedback in comments suggesting engagement strategy
market_signal: Implicit critique that machines valued by home collectors (Addams Family, Quicksilver, Spirit) differ from what actually retains play value or holds interest in regular use
medium · Pattern of owners not replaying Addams Family despite owning; high prices unjustified for actual use; contrast between 'want to own' and 'don't want to play'
sentiment_shift: Greg and Zach disagreed on several entries (White Water, Batman 66); Greg later expressed doubt about his own positions, showing list reflects debate and compromise rather than consensus
high · White Water: Greg's #7 pick with disclaimer 'I do not agree with this... I was smoking crack'; Greg later reconsidered after reflection; both acknowledged Batman 66 as example of their sole disagreement