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SDTM ranks pinball's most overrated machines, targeting classics like Quicksilver and Addams Family.
Quicksilver is an all-green, ugly pinball machine that is massively overpriced and not worth the cost despite tournament popularity
high confidence · Zach Sharp directly critiques Quicksilver as #1 most overrated; calls it 'expensive turd,' criticizes its green playfield and center bank placement
The Addams Family has very short replay value—players love it when playing but never want to return to it after one cycle
high confidence · Greg and Zach both note that owners say 'yeah really liked it' but won't replay; Zach compares it to rewatching the film—enjoyable once but not worth repeated engagement
Elvira's House of Horrors is overpriced at $2,300-$4,000 when it has System 11 rules depth and can be replaced by Scared Stiff at half the price
high confidence · Greg states pricing at $2,300-$4,000 range; both hosts agree rules are weak and game gets boring despite decent shooting
Big Bang Bar is driven purely by rarity hype, not actual gameplay quality; Pinball Magic is a cooler game with better mechanics
high confidence · Zach: 'I think it's one of those things that's just purely driven by the rarity'; Greg: 'Pinball Magic is cooler... those mechs and what they do with them are fun'
Family Guy and Shrek pinball machines by Pat Lawlor have bad layouts and insufficient gameplay variety despite high pricing
high confidence · Zach criticizes both as having the same level playfield format; compares unfavorably to Data East's Lethal Weapon; notes friend who drove far to buy Family Guy was disappointed
Safe Cracker is overrated due to time-based mechanics, small playfield layout, and collector nostalgia rather than actual gameplay merit
high confidence · Zach: 'I hate the format it's like a time based thing I hate the layout how it's smaller it doesn't feel good'; calls it a bubble gum-like experience
Batman '66 is boring and overvalued; the crane mechanic, while complex, doesn't justify the game's high price and hype
high confidence · Zach explicitly calls the game 'boring'; cites inability to identify favorite shots as evidence of shallow gameplay; acknowledges rotisserie is complex but gameplay disappoints
“if you're a pinball person it's like Twilight Zone you gotta own it at least once yes and when you're playing that one game that is fun in The Addams Family nothing comes close to it no but when that game is over and you see the wagon and once that's over yeah you don't want to play it again”
Greg Bone@ 13:21 — Core argument for why Addams Family is overrated: exceptionally fun in one specific mode, but lacks replay value after experiencing it once
“buy seven Meteors”
Zach Sharp@ 15:02 — Stark value comparison suggesting seven cheaper, better games could replace one Quicksilver
“I hate it uh even some of my friends who including Raymond Davidson Raymond Davidson is the number one pinball player in the entire earth the world he loves this game raydaypinball you're just wrong man”
Zach Sharp@ 2:18 — Directly contradicts elite competitive player Raymond Davidson's taste, establishing willingness to challenge even top authority in pinball community
“it's all green and it's Quicksilver oh puke an all green playfield I can't do it I I don't I'll never understand Quicksilver I'll never understand Stargazer”
Zach Sharp@ 14:33 — Visceral negative reaction to Quicksilver's aesthetic; compares it to Stargazer as similarly unappetizing despite different rarity/price
“if there's a list of overrated pinball machines this should fall into oh god yeah and I wanted to I want to own this game it's a fun game but again you know how we go back and we talked about before about how you know how I know that this pin is very underrated is because people keep it in their collection people tout this game”
Greg Bone @ mid-section — Reveals internal contradiction: Addams Family's enduring desirability among owners undermines overrated claim, suggesting hosts may be conflating 'overpriced' with 'overrated'
business_signal: Hosts suggest remake potential for Quicksilver (rumored Stern project) could waste a good theme on poor game design, indicating skepticism about IP-driven pinball development strategy
medium · Zach: 'I know which one that one was gonna be was a Quicksilver rethink and I was like don't ruin a good theme'; suggests previous rumors of Stern remaking Quicksilver
community_signal: Hosts intentionally provocative framing ('put some noses some feathers', 'break some hearts', 'make people very angry') suggests they expect community backlash and are leaning into engagement-driving controversy
high · Opening: 'this one might uh put some noses some feathers it might ruffle some feathers'; repeated warnings about making competitive players angry; explicit solicitation of comments
community_signal: Hosts soliciting direct community feedback and debate in comments, positioning 'overrated' list as conversation starter rather than definitive criticism
high · Closing: 'are we nutty are we right are we on to something... give us your thoughts yeah in the comment section below'; explicitly inviting disagreement
competitive_signal: Tournament-favorite machines (Quicksilver, Batman '66) valued by competitive community but dismissed as boring/ugly by casual/collector audience, indicating meta-gameplay divide
high · Zach notes 'this is gonna make all the competitive players very angry'; Quicksilver is tournament staple; hosts willing to challenge elite player (Raymond Davidson) taste
design_philosophy: Quicksilver's all-green playfield aesthetic criticized as fundamentally ugly and detracting from tournament playability, suggesting visual design can undermine even competitive-tier rule depth
mixed(-0.35)— Hosts are playfully critical and provocative throughout, but express genuine affection for pinball culture and machines. Negative sentiment targets pricing, overvaluation, and hype cycles rather than the games themselves. Zach's tone is more harsh/dismissive; Greg provides balance and occasional disagreement with his own rankings. Ends on note of community engagement and lighthearted debate solicitation.
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Waterworks rules aren't as deep as claimed and lack a wizard mode, making it overpriced relative to alternatives
medium confidence · Greg initially included on overrated list citing price point and rules depth; later expresses disagreement with own take but maintains pricing concern
“I don't want to spend that much man and I don't want to lug it to the basement and then pull it out in three weeks because I'm done”
Zach Sharp@ 13:49 — Pragmatic ownership concern linking high pricing to low practical value for personal collections
“it's one of the ugliest pinball machines that I've ever seen it's all green and it's Quicksilver oh puke”
Zach Sharp@ 14:24 — Establishes aesthetic criticism as primary driver of '#1 most overrated' ranking
“I think it's one of those things that's just purely driven by the rarity I think Pinball Magic is cooler”
Zach Sharp@ 10:59 — Distinguishes between rarity-driven hype and actual gameplay merit in overrated designation
“when they own it and they have it they love it The Addams Family is the opposite everyone that I've ever talked to it owns an Addams Family says yeah really liked it but well everybody if you're a pinball person left early”
Greg Bone@ 13:06 — Key distinction: owners of good games keep playing; Addams Family owners don't, suggesting gameplay exhaustion
“Safe Cracker no I hate the format it's like a time based thing I hate the layout how it's smaller it doesn't feel good I feel like I'm shooting for a bubblegum piece of bubblegum”
Zach Sharp@ 3:56 — Specific mechanical criticism of Safe Cracker's cramped design as primary overrated factor
high · Zach's repeated 'oh puke', 'expensive turd', 'ugliest pinball machines I've ever seen'; aesthetic complaint is primary overrated driver, not rules
design_philosophy: Pat Lawlor's designs disproportionately represented on overrated list (4 games: Safe Cracker, Waterworks, Family Guy, Shrek) despite his legendary status, suggesting potential shift in community reassessment of his design principles
medium · Hosts repeatedly apologize to Lawlor while criticizing his games; may reflect broader questioning of 'stop and go' design philosophy vs. modern alternatives
market_signal: Growing content trend of 'overrated' critiques in pinball media, challenging consensus and celebrating contrarian takes as edgy/authentic
medium · Hosts explicitly reference creating complementary 'most underrated' list for future engagement; positioning as ongoing series format for content
market_signal: Big Bang Bar remake discussion suggests ongoing collector interest in rare/expensive games despite poor gameplay reputation, indicating rarity-driven market persists despite content creator criticism
medium · Hosts note Pedretti Gaming remake of Big Bang Bar happening despite it being 'purely driven by rarity'; acknowledges demand exists regardless of gameplay merit
market_signal: Secondary market pricing for classic machines (Quicksilver $15k+, Addams Family premium tier) perceived as unjustifiable by hosts relative to gameplay experience and alternatives
high · Repeated emphasis on pricing: Kingpin $15-20k, Elvira's $2.3-4k, Big Bang Bar rarity premium; Zach's 'expensive turd' language suggests market disconnect
community_signal: Hosts disagreed internally on Waterworks ranking; Greg later recanted his own 'overrated' argument, suggesting list compilation involved debate and potential compromise picks
high · Greg explicitly states disclaimer on Waterworks: 'I do not agree with this... I don't know what mood I was in when I was arguing against this'; frames as 'I was smoking crack' decision
community_signal: Zach Sharp's willingness to contradict Raymond Davidson (described as '#1 pinball player in the world') on Family Guy taste indicates potential confidence shift in his public persona or deliberate content strategy
medium · Direct callout: 'even some of my friends who including Raymond Davidson... raydaypinball you're just wrong man'; not hedged or respectful
sentiment_shift: Community perception of classic machines like Addams Family and Quicksilver may be shifting from universal praise to price-to-value skepticism among content creators and competitive players
high · Hosts argue these machines command premium prices despite limited replay value or aesthetic appeal; challenge Raymond Davidson's taste directly; position themselves against majority opinion