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SDTM reviews TMNT pinball: stellar art, brutal but rewarding layout, depth rewards dedication.
John Borg designed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
high confidence · Greg confirms Zach's statement that 'John Borg' designed the game early in the discussion
Dwight Sullivan did the primary code on TMNT
high confidence · Zach states 'Dwight Sullivan. Our boy, Dwight Sullivan' when asked who primarily did the code
Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) did the artwork
high confidence · Greg and Zach discuss Zombie Yeti artwork extensively and repeatedly confirm this
Marc Silk did the voice over for multiple characters including five roles
high confidence · Zach states 'Marc Silk did the voice over. A lot. He did like five characters' and confirms Silk is a world-renowned voice actor who worked on Star Wars and Bob the Builder
The game sold a lot of units and came out with significant hype
medium confidence · Zach notes 'They sold a lot of these machines, Greg. This was a really hot title' and references initial leak hype around the 'Borg, Sullivan, Zada, Yeti trifecta'
Sales tapered off when Avengers came out
medium confidence · Greg states 'Then it started tapering off a hair whenever Avengers came out'
The game is considered brutally difficult to shoot by community consensus
high confidence · Greg: 'People said that this game is really difficult to shoot. Yes.' This reflects widespread community sentiment
The layer/training shot behind the left upper flipper has a design flaw affecting accessibility
high confidence · Both hosts extensively discuss difficulty hitting this shot consistently, with Greg noting competitive player Travis Moseman reported only 30% hit rate on forehand and 50% on backhand
TMNT artwork may be superior to or equal to Ghostbusters as an art package
medium confidence · Greg states 'I think that the color and the renderings and what he did with these characters may beat Ghostbusters' in terms of ensemble composition
“John Borg. That's why I got rid of my Guardians.”
Zach@ 1:43 — References the community critique of John Borg's challenging shot design, particularly the brutal left out lane, and establishes Borg's design philosophy
“He's one of our favorites. Dwight's like Michelangelo and Don Telo mixed.”
Greg@ 4:42 — Characterizes Dwight Sullivan's design philosophy as blending action-hero mentality with technical depth
“I think that the color and the renderings and what he did with these characters may beat Ghostbusters.”
Greg@ 15:14 — Elevates TMNT artwork to the level of or above one of the most celebrated pinball art packages, representing highest praise
“Opening a book versus listening to a book. There's some subtle genius in all of his coding.”
Zach@ 5:33 — Defends Dwight Sullivan's complex rule design against community perception of difficulty, argues depth is misunderstood
“Dead bounces are the key to this game. And people will complain about the long stand-up targets. To me, that is the key to ball control.”
Greg@ 27:09 — Reveals advanced gameplay mechanic central to mastering TMNT; reframes perceived design flaw (stand-up targets) as intentional control mechanism
“I knew you would like the damn thing. I know you so well.”
Zach@ 25:43 — Explains why Zach coordinated with Greg's wife to purchase TMNT despite Greg's initial rejection; demonstrates confidence in game's quality and pairing with player type
gameplay_signal: TMNT exhibits high initial difficulty that reveals hidden depth and flow with player study. Ball control mechanics (dead bounces, stand-up targets as airbags) are non-obvious but essential to mastery. Game rewards dedicated learning over casual play.
high · Greg's transformation from rejection to love after 15-20 games of practice; detailed explanation of dead bounce mechanics and stand-up target role in ball control; comparison to opening vs listening to a book
gameplay_signal: Certain shots have controversial accessibility issues. Layer/training shot behind left flipper has notably low hit rate even for competitive players (~30% forehand, ~50% backhand per Travis Murray). Center ramp spinner shot also difficult. These are design discussion points rather than deal-breakers.
high · Extended discussion of layer shot difficulty; competitive player data cited; hosts give B+ rating partly due to this shot; debate over whether it's flaw vs design intent
design_innovation: TMNT's stand-up targets function as deliberate ball control mechanisms (airbags) to manage sling chaos in a brutally fast playfield. This is a subtle design choice that unlocks gameplay mastery and represents sophisticated playfield design philosophy.
high · Hosts' detailed analysis of stand-up targets as control layers; explanation that targets prevent sling chaos and enable recovery; framing as integral to lower playfield control dashboard
gameplay_signal: Dwight Sullivan's code for TMNT is complex and requires player investment to appreciate. Community has preconceived notions about difficulty that sometimes prevent deeper engagement. Code rewards study similar to reading vs listening analogy.
high · Hosts' defense of Dwight's coding approach; 'opening a book vs listening to a book' metaphor; observation that TMNT stays in collections longer than others due to code depth
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Stand-up targets on the playfield function as ball control mechanisms similar to airbags
medium confidence · Zach explains detailed ball control strategy: 'those stand-up targets are there, they're like bumper pads there. They are airbags' for managing sling chaos
“Code starts clicking, exactly.”
Zach@ 26:38 — Greg's realization moment that TMNT's rule complexity opens up with play time, validating Zach's earlier assertion about game depth
“Those make sense. That's the key to ball control because the slings are so brutal and so fast.”
Greg@ 27:16 — Demonstrates Greg's shift from frustration to appreciation once he understood the design intent behind TMNT's stand-up target placement
“It's not like... I thought Guardians... Here was my problem with Guardians. Guardians of the Galaxy (Pro), the shots... And maybe it was just me, because this pin speaks to me. Guardians was almost... Some of the shots were too tight.”
Greg@ 21:17 — Directly compares TMNT favorably to Guardians (another Borg game), suggesting TMNT achieves better balance between challenge and playability
“Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) is the king of pinball art and I think it's going to be that way as long as he stays in the industry.”
Zach@ 11:09 — Establishes Zombie Yeti's dominant market position in pinball artwork, with recognition that no current artist matches his level
sentiment_shift: Greg initially disliked TMNT and refused to purchase despite opportunity. After receiving as gift and playing 15-20 games, sentiment reversed dramatically to strong appreciation. Personal story demonstrates game's learning curve and reward structure.
high · Narrative arc of Greg's conversion from 'I can't buy it, dude. This game sucks' to A-rated shot layout after extended play; specific mention of ~20 games triggering gameplay clicks
product_concern: Layer/training shot has design accessibility issue affecting both casual and competitive players. Even high-skill competitive players (Travis Murray) have difficulty with consistent forehand execution. Hosts debate whether this is intentional design or flaw.
high · Greg: 'I think it way faulty'; Travis Murray hit rate data (~30%); Extended debate over whether design is intentional or flawed; Greg rates B+ partly due to this issue
market_signal: TMNT experienced strong initial sales following launch hype (Borg/Sullivan/Yeti trifecta), but momentum tapered when Avengers released. Suggests market competition and FOMO-driven initial demand patterns.
medium · Zach: 'They sold a lot of these machines, Greg. This was a really hot title... Then it started tapering off a hair whenever Avengers came out'
design_philosophy: John Borg's TMNT design represents departure from his typical accessibility-focused two-flipper layouts. Machine features three flippers, fast shot speeds, and brutality similar to Walking Dead rather than his typical Guardians/Metallica style. Hosts view this as positive evolution.
high · Hosts note Borg typically does two-flipper accessible designs but TMNT is three-flipper; comparison to Tron and Guardians; observation that speed and brutality are atypical for Borg
design_innovation: Jeremy Packer/Zombie Yeti synthesized successful art composition techniques from Ghostbusters (top-down ensemble view), Deadpool (villain focus in center), and Avengers (character compilation) into unified TMNT piece. Represents sophisticated hybrid approach.
high · Hosts' detailed analysis: 'He meshes it with what worked so well for Deadpool... He did it again on Avengers like that too... this is a nice hybrid in between the best of both worlds'
community_signal: John Borg maintains mixed reputation in community. While respected, many associate him with brutally difficult shot designs that frustrate casual players (particularly left out lanes). TMNT maintains these challenges but hosts suggest better execution than Guardians.
high · Multiple references to 'Get Borg'd' joke; discussion of Guardians' overly tight shots; hosts defending TMNT's difficulty as more balanced than Borg's typical output
personnel_signal: Marc Silk brought into pinball as voice talent through community connection (King Cromwell). Represents trend of pinball industry recruiting established entertainment talent rather than using internal resources. World-renowned voice actor (Star Wars, Bob the Builder) adds production value.
high · Hosts note Silk's Star Wars and Bob the Builder credits; praise his world-renowned status; explicit credit to King Cromwell for bringing him into pinball community
product_strategy: TMNT available in Pro, Premium, and Limited Edition versions with different back glass layouts. Hosts debate LE back glass as slightly crowded compared to Pro/Premium versions, suggesting tier-based design variation impacts overall product perception.
medium · Hosts discuss LE back glass being 'a bit crowded' vs Pro/Premium versions with mirroring; Greg mentions 'the LE is my least favorite back glass' but acknowledges overall art quality