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Episode 88 – Cluster VUK, The Guests Take Over

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Apr 26, 2018
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TL;DR

NYCPC hype episode: sold-out tournament, Iron Maiden distribution, Papa/Project Pinball partnerships, and mystery major announcements.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 88 features a packed "Clusterfuck" episode with multiple guests discussing the upcoming New York City Pinball Championships (NYCPC), Iron Maiden's game design and distribution, and tournament announcements. Key highlights include NYCPC partnerships with Papa (streaming) and Project Pinball (charity), sold-out capacity with 70 players on waitlist, Iron Maiden availability at NYC locations, and teased major announcements pending contract finalization. Ray Davidson (ranked #1 in the world) joins mid-episode to discuss game mechanics and tournament logistics.

Key Claims

  • New York City Pinball Championships has sold out with 140 players and 70 more on the waitlist

    high confidence · Tim Sexton discussing NYCPC capacity on the podcast

  • Papa is bringing their streaming rig to provide state-of-the-art broadcast coverage of NYCPC

    high confidence · Tim Sexton announcing partnership details

  • Project Pinball has placed 32 machines in 28 children's hospitals across 16 states

    high confidence · Press release read on air by Ron Hallett

  • Iron Maiden is available at multiple NYC venues: Sunshine, Jack Bar, Pioneers, Creek on the Cave, and Rock Fantasy

    high confidence · Ron noting Iron Maiden distribution in NYC; confirmed by playtest discussions

  • 30 Iron Maiden machines were sold at Midwest Gaming Classic (MGC) show

    high confidence · Tim Sexton describing MGC setup with 30 Iron Maidens and 20 additional games in Stern booth

  • Iron Maiden has more than five modes, with every song in the game having an associated mode

    high confidence · Tim Sexton citing Keith Elwin's Facebook post confirming the design; Ray Davidson discussing 12 total songs/modes

  • Iron Maiden Limited Edition machines are sold out

    high confidence · Tim discussing LE feature matrix after they sold out

  • Bally Old Chicago pinball machine is from 1975, not 1979

    high confidence · Bruce and Tim correcting the press release date during read-aloud

  • A major, unprecedented announcement for NYCPC is forthcoming, pending contract finalization

    medium confidence · Levy Naiman teasing announcement: 'we're working on a major boom, something almost unprecedented in pinball tournaments in this day and age'

  • Stars (Stern classic) will be used in the NYCPC tournament

Notable Quotes

  • “we've got some cool stuff that I even beyond my stern job, I can't even talk about the cool stuff we have coming out for the New York City Pinball Championship”

    Tim Sexton @ early segment — Signals NDA constraints on tournament announcements; establishes teasing dynamic for hidden surprises

  • “we're working on a major boom, something almost unprecedented in pinball tournaments in this day and age. But unfortunately, I can't really say until the ink is dry on the contract.”

    Levy Naiman @ mid-episode — Major teaser for unannounced partnership/feature; creates anticipation for next week's reveal

  • “The secret of the game is every single song that's in the game has a mode associated with it.”

    Tim Sexton @ Iron Maiden discussion — Design philosophy reveal about Iron Maiden's mode architecture; compares to Metallica approach

  • “it's like a 90's Williams game would have been if they were still around and making games”

    Ray Davidson @ Iron Maiden gameplay discussion — High-profile player comparison; suggests Iron Maiden evokes classic Williams design philosophy

  • “You have to hit Xs. Once you hit all the Xs, it will light like the 2X, but it will light solid, meaning it's not active yet. You can activate it yourself. The activation is the in lane.”

    Tim Sexton @ Iron Maiden mechanics detail — Technical gameplay explanation; illustrates mode multiplier stacking mechanic unique to Iron Maiden

  • “There's so much going on that I'm just like... I'm at awe just trying to figure it out as I go, and the shots are so fun that it doesn't matter that I don't know what's happening yet.”

    Ray Davidson @ Iron Maiden assessment — Top player endorsement of game fun factor despite complexity; validates design accessibility

  • “I think somehow Levy is going to get credit for making the value of stars go up like 60%. It's already happened.”

    Ray Davidson @ Stars discussion — Humor about secondary market impact of Stars being in tournament; implies scarcity/collector demand

Entities

Tim SextonpersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonRay DavidsonpersonLevy NaimanpersonKeith ElwinpersonRick NagelpersonGreg

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: NYCPC sold out at 140 players with 70-person waitlist; organizers considering doubling tournament size due to demand exceeding expectations

    high · Tim Sexton: '70 players on the wait list...we should have doubled the size of this tournament'

  • ?

    community_signal: Multiple high-profile partnerships converging on single NYC event: Papa broadcasting, Project Pinball charity, Iron Maiden as main feature game, additional unannounced 'unprecedented' partnership pending

    high · Series of announcement read-outs and Levy's teaser about major unrevealed partnership

  • ?

    product_launch: Iron Maiden shipped 30 units to MGC show; distributed to minimum 5+ NYC venues; LE version completely sold out; Pro version in demand/backorder

    high · Tim: '30 machines...all sold at the show'; Ron: LE 'sold out'; Bruce considering Pro purchase

  • ?

    venue_signal: Iron Maiden placement across NYC venues (Sunshine, Jack Bar, Pioneers, Creek on the Cave, Rock Fantasy) indicates strong arcade interest and location operator demand

    high · Ron: 'Iron Maiden at Sunshine, Iron Maiden at Jack Bar, Iron Maiden at Pioneers...Surely there's another couple coming to Brooklyn'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Iron Maiden's ruleset and playfield design compared favorably to hypothetical 1990s Williams game; represents a distinct design philosophy diverging from recent Stern standards

    high · Ray: 'it's like a 90s Williams game would have been if they were still around'; Tim: mentions 'Keith really hit this one out of the park'

Transcript

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0:00
So, uh, he has, like, that, uh, that whipped lash thing, and, like, uh, it really hurts. Yeah, and, um, I'm having bad dreams, and I poop a lot. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Chill Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. It's the Clusterfuck Hour. Because, man, we have a lot of people on here. We're going to have the most ever. We're most ever. This is episode 88.
0:46
Godzilla versus Hedorah. Again? No, that's Ghidorah. This is Hedorah. So it's a he compared to a... It's a monster that was... It came out of smog and pollution. So it's kind of like one of those deals, you know. Wait till you hear about Mothra and Bothra.
1:07
Who's that? Wow, that sounded familiar. Could it be? It could be. I think it is. It's Tommy Soxton. Tommy Soxton rocks. Oh, hello. How's it going?
1:22
But we were told today that since we didn't get picked for the bloodbath, that Tim cannot be on. So, boom, right back in the face of the old bloodbath committee. Suck it. I think Bruce is trying to say that they don't have Tim on anymore. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, suck it. Tim is here, and he's going to be telling us about the next five Stern gifts. No, he's not. No, he's not? Not at all. He's going to be telling us. Oh, and we have another person on, too. Yes, we do. Not all. His replacement, Tommy Soxton's replacement. Whoa, hey, what's the big idea? You got 1.0. You got 2.0. I think together we're Darth Ball 3.0. Nice. Come on, Gray. What's your gimmick? Remember, you've got to say your line.

high confidence · Levy Naiman explicitly confirming Stars inclusion after teasing

  • “Proceeds from all spectator tickets sold on May 20th to watch the main division finals on Championship Sunday... will benefit Project Pinball”

    Ron Hallett (reading press release) @ mid-episode — Charity integration specifics; Sunday finals structure with spectator access

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    Iron Maidengame
    Project Pinballorganization
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    Midwest Gaming Classic (MGC)event
    Sunshine (venue)venue
    Jack Bar (venue)venue
    Pioneers (venue)venue
    Creek on the Cave (venue)venue
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    Dialed Ingame
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    Bally Old Chicagogame
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  • ?

    design_innovation: Iron Maiden features unique song-to-mode mapping where every song in the game has an associated mode, with 12 total songs/modes discoverable through play

    high · Tim: 'every single song that's in the game has a mode associated with it'; Ray details 6 main modes plus 6 additional songs = 12 total

  • ?

    competitive_signal: NYCPC featuring approximately 36 games with Stars and Iron Maiden confirmed; Blackwater 100 considered but likely excluded; focus on accessible but competitive titles

    high · Levy: 'you have like 36 games in the main'; confirms Stars and Iron Maiden; discusses Blackwater 100 exclusion

  • $

    market_signal: Stars (classic Stern EM) secondary market value inflated ~1000% ($50 to $500+) due to NYCPC inclusion; Ray attributes this to Levy/tournament publicity

    medium · Ray: 'I used to pick those up for $50...these days you can't touch the stars for less than like $500...it's really crimping my style'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Rick Nagel identified as lead programmer on Iron Maiden; Tim emphasizes credit to Rick for core software implementation alongside Keith Elwin's ruleset

    high · Tim: 'he's the one who deserves credit...it is Keith's rule set, too. Keith really hit this one out of the park'

  • ?

    announcement: Levy Naiman hinted at major, 'almost unprecedented' NYCPC partnership/announcement pending contract finalization; details to be revealed within one week

    medium · Levy: 'we're working on a major boom, something almost unprecedented...but I can't really say until the ink is dry on the contract...you'll be talking about it next week'

  • ?

    operational_signal: NYCPC organizers running funtorian testing all month at participating venues (Pioneers) with open practice offered to NY players to prepare for tournament

    high · Levy: 'we're doing funtorian testing all month...anybody here in New York can contact me and come over and mooch off my games and get some free practice'

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Iron Maiden distribution to West Coast (Seattle) significantly delayed compared to Midwest/East Coast; West Coast received first California unit recently, attributed to manufacturing/shipping logistics

    medium · Ray: 'I'm on the West Coast. There's nothing. I think California finally got one of theirs'; Tim: 'Chicago's a lot closer to New York than it is to Seattle...The games have to leave from the exact same place'

    • 2:14
    Actually, I'm kind of slacking. I'm not drunk yet, but don't let me slack. I'll get there. But you can do your line. It's your gimmick. Bigger, better, faster, drunker. There you go. Yes. All right. As I sip some wine. Nice. So welcome, everyone. Welcome back, Timmy. It's so good to hear your voice, Timmy. I kind of miss it already. We miss you, Tim. All I get is a text version of Timmy now. He's usually yelling at me for not knowing the Iron Maiden rules yet.
    2:42
    Greg's insisting that there's a strat. He's just got to find it. But no, it's a well-balanced, well-crafted rule set by Keith Owen. There are many strats. Many strats. Yes. Not just one. It's a lot of fun. So what do we want to talk about? Do we want to talk about the NYCPC? We want to talk about Maiden? What do we want to talk about? First, I want to talk about, Tim was busting my balls, actually, the day of the release, and so was Keith saying, I should get an Iron Maiden.
    3:13
    You should. And we were right. And we were right, because guess what? It's almost in the works. I'm probably going to get a pro. Yeah, baby. Hey, Bruce, the last time I was on, which was probably about three weeks ago, I said, is your Iron Maiden coming or what? And you said no, and I was kind of heartbroken for you. Yeah, I know. The problem is just, you know, little cash things, but I think we're going to do it. We have a deal going on, so. Did you start stripping again? I did. I was pimping myself out to everyone. I thought it was porn. You told me it was porn. Well, pimping gets you more money, so I pimped myself out for the 75 bucks for the past three weeks. Ooh. Wow. Did that come with the reshramp?
    3:55
    20 bucks for 20 bucks. But let's talk about the New York City Pinball Championship, which is coming up in a little over four weeks. Right? Four? Yes. Timmy, tell us all about it. Oh, man, we've got some cool stuff that I even beyond my stern job, I can't even talk about the cool stuff we have coming out for the New York City Pinball Championship. But just in the past few weeks, our premier state-of-the-art pinball tournament held in New York City, the greatest city in the world, way better than Albany, New York, by the way. Oh.
    4:34
    But had a bunch of press releases. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Where did that come from? What was the deal?
    4:41
    I mean, you did actually, you busted everyone's walls about the greatest city in the world, New York City. Yes, but I never ever said Albany was the greatest or was better. It was implied. It wasn't implied. But the well-renowned, greatest city in the world, the New York City, of course, is having the New York City Football Championship sold out. 70 players on the wait list. Can you believe that? Man, we should have doubled the size of this tournament. But we have some news on that coming soon. Ooh. Coming soon. When your wait list has more people on it than some circuit events, it's impressive. It is impressive. But in the past few weeks, we've announced partnerships with Papa. They're bringing their streaming rig all the way up here to bring a state-of-the-art pinball broadcast to New York City's pinball championships. And Project Pinball is now involved, and they're going to be doing various things to raise money for the charity. Project Pinball, by the way, is a charity that places pinball machines in children's hospitals around the country.
    5:47
    Fair enough. All the money raised in the New York City Pinball Championship will stay in New York to benefit local children's hospitals to get the pinball machines so the kids can play them. And we have even more booms prepared.
    6:01
    T-shirts were just printed. They're looking really nice. Yes. Trophies are unlike anything you've seen yet at a pinball tournament.
    6:11
    Prizes. Oh, we got a bunch of them. And more. So much more. So much more that I can't tell you what they are. Yeah. He's got a nondisclosure for never being there. I don't know. Well, all the stern stuff he can't talk about. Nondisclosure shit. Yeah, all this. Are you a pin-sider, Timmy? I have an account, I think. I don't usually get posts on it. It's like, there's all this cool shit, and I'm not going to tell you any of it.
    6:40
    Ta-da. And then be stressed by the anxiety of all the morons riddling that place. Maybe we need to get the other guy that's running this NeverBeat thing and just kick this guy right out and get the real answers.
    6:52
    Yeah, I mean, I hate to point out a Bruce-ism. Well, there's probably two of them, but it's not four weeks away. It's three weeks away. Is it three? Yeah, and then also somehow... I've got to ask my boss for time off. Both of you are so likable in so many different ways, but somehow Bruce confused Levy for Timmy because I clearly said Levy was going to join us. But now we've got both of you, we should tag Le'Veon. Let's get Le'Veon. It's like a Le'Veon diamond.
    7:20
    Let's, here is the press release. I might as well plug the press release that just came out. I can't talk like the guy in your commercial did, though. I don't have that kind of voice, but.
    7:31
    Never Be Productions is proud to announce a partnership with Project Pinball, a nonprofit charity organization that places pinball machines in children's hospitals and Ronald McDonald Houses to introduce therapeutic benefits to kids. Project Pinball currently has played 32 pinball machines in 28 children's hospitals across 16 states. To kickstart the partnership, proceeds from all spectator tickets sold on May 20th to watch the main division finals on Championship Sunday, I like that, when the New York City pinball champion is crowned, will benefit Project Pinball, purchasing a ticket grants entry to watch the finals at the fabulous, fabulous ninth-floor penthouse ballroom of the Skyline Hotel. Seating and a large projector viewing screen will be provided so spectators can stay on top of the action. There will be live commentary and updates, all designed to create an engrossing spectator experience that will engage seasoned pinball fans and those playing their first live championship pinball experience alike. The full bar will be available so spectators can grab a beer, wine, or liquor drink. Project Pinball will provide door prizes, and there are plans to bring a vintage, refurbished 1979 Bally Old Chicago pinball machine to wrap off. Tickets for Project Pinball's popular ongoing new-in-box stern pinball machine raffles will be available on-site. Freeze. Freeze. Yes? Old Chicago is 1979. No, it's not.
    9:01
    It's 1975, Bruce. It's an EM. Let's continue. Project Pinball is an organization we all believe in. and we are thrilled to use the awesome power of the New York City Pinball Championships to help benefit this charity. It's going to be an incredibly exciting day of watching some of the world's best players battle out to be crowned the New York City Pinball Champion. And all funds from ticket sales will go towards placing pinball machines into New York area children's medical facilities, said Levy Naiman of NBH. Sorry, Never Beef Productions. For more information about Project Pinball, visit projectpinball.org. Wait, so, Ron, you said NBH and Greg said NBF? I was confused by both. I don't know. NBP. Everbee Productions.
    9:46
    Everbee Productions. That's your favorite name of any urban organizing body, Ron. That is true. What's a spectator tickets? What's that about, Timmy?
    9:55
    Well, I mean, we're in New York City. We're putting on a spectacular event. We're doing some state-of-the-art broadcasting. We're having a projector show the live broadcast. We have the Papa streaming rig there. And we're going to create a really impressive event. And it was also, you know, with the limited space, we had kind of our opportunity to bring Project Pinball on because we wanted to have them involved. And that's what we came up with is the Sunday event where they'll be able to have a little more space while not everyone's qualifying and focusing on their cut line and stuff. And, yeah, it should be good overall to bring the charity into the event, use the power we have and the excitement we've built for our great tournament to help benefit them. Yeah, and you know what? Keep pushing the fact that people do want to watch the end of the game. I mean, the finals are exciting, and we saw it in Texas. We saw it at the Stern Circuit in Chicago. There's people that want to hang around and watch the finals. Right, and we're pushing it to the limit with what we have here. I mean, most first-year events don't hit 140 players, so we have to, you know, do what we can. But I know my parents, I told them, hey, come up on Sunday, see what competitive pinball is really about. Our MC, Levy Damon, will be hosting the event. We'll have our rotating commentary teams. We'll have a lot more planned with productions. It'll be a level up from any sort of pinball event you've seen so far. I guarantee it. Wow. Did you see the guarantee that fell through recently? By the gold standard?
    11:30
    No, I didn't. Who? He guaranteed that we were going to see some elite pictures today. Didn't happen. That didn't happen. We are going to be coming out. I can't wait to see them. Swing and a boost. Wait, wait, wait. It gets better. Remember how last week we said he was selling his machine for $12,000 on eBay? Uh-huh. He raised his price to $13,000. He must have played it. Hey, you must have seen all the pictures before anyone else.
    11:59
    You must have, must have, must have. We have degraded already. Just terrible. Speaking of degrading, I'm trying to get Levy on here right now. Who's got his Skype?
    12:12
    Does he have Skype? He does. He's currently away. Spell it as it reads. He's logging in, though, I believe.
    12:19
    You guys like Iron Maiden? I enjoy it. Right back. I enjoy it very much so far. Yeah. I like the idea of practicing my staging.
    12:32
    It certainly gave me a lot of opportunities in multiball so far where I was like, shit, I want to hit that orbit, I better stage. I want to be able to not break this trap and hit that upper flipper combo. And just so much going on. It's got good flow. It doesn't have the flow of a normal stern. And so much to learn. I still want to absorb a lot of it. It has four flippers and two spinners. How do you like those light shows, man? Oh, man. I'm just... The light shows are incredible. And the greatest shaker coat ever, I must say. Thank you very much. I didn't get to play with the shaker motor yet. Is there, like, some nice... Neither have I.
    13:12
    Well, all limited editions have shaker motor now. Yes, they do. Well, since this episode is sort of New York City themed, I really want to say I'm super impressed that we've got Iron Maiden at Sunshine, Iron Maiden at Jack Bar, Iron Maiden at Pioneers. Iron Maiden at Creek on the Cave. Iron Maiden now at Rock Fantasy, the world-famous Rock Fantasy. Surely there's another couple coming to Brooklyn sooner than later. The LE is on its way to Sunshine eventually. So, Tim, what extra features are on the Iron Maiden LE now that they're all sold out anyway? Let me bring up the feature matrix. Oh!
    13:46
    Complete fail! Fail. Can we take out the backstage pass in the middle of a competition with a ball strap? Oh, man.
    13:57
    Basically, it has all the features that were in Archer that you haven't seen yet. Keith did have to autograph all the plaques. Oh, okay. Yeah. We have autographs. He's got that. It's going to have a couple up-down ramps going on. I don't know if Keith wants to sign some, but I definitely want Tommy Soxon to sign some of my translates to give away.
    14:22
    I did have to sign something at MGC. That was a first. Someone asked me to sign it because I worked on the design team. So how was the MJC seminar? I noticed you were there. We're talking about the Midwest Gaming Classic, of course. They had the whole Iron Maiden team there, including Timmer. They kind of had you, though, just handing out prizes, I noticed. Yeah, because I was on the team for the least amount of time Five, bitch We're five, bitch Well, I'm not on the team anymore But my first project when I got there Because Keith wanted me to be on the game To help out with some stuff And get acclimated to what I had to do Was to do some of the pinball-centric stuff Like, hey, is this a good light show to put here? Does it make sense to put Shaker Moto here? Where do these sound call-outs go? So I put that stuff in Well, I personally give you most of the credit. Thank you. Dude, please don't. Please give credit to Rick Nagel. I'm kidding. The lead programmer. I don't see his name get mentioned anywhere, but he's been working on this game the entire project with the software. So he's the one who deserves credit, but it is Keith's rule set, too.
    15:35
    Oh, yeah. Keith really hit this one out of the park. So, Slam Silk guys, you must be really popular, because my phone's getting blown up with these guests that went on. I got a certain number one in the world that's looking to join the conversation. Nice. Well, get them on. Somebody press the button. I don't have the authority. I'll press the button. He's also trying to figure it out.
    15:57
    There's going to be so many whoppers on this podcast. Oh, my God. Yeah, my recorder will break. There's just too many people.
    16:06
    Whopperelly time, baby. Whopperelly time. I've got more features for you from the Feature Matrix Excellent, alright Hello There's Ray Hey Ray Hi Ray Just to let you know what's going on This is the Clusterfuck episode So right now we have me, Bruce, Greg, and Tim Sexton are all on Alright You know, I saw Adam Lovecock is online too We could get him in here Oh jeez, oh my god No, I want to talk I want to get a chance to talk to him Burn.
    16:39
    Tim was just going to tell us the feature matrix of Iron Maiden. Yeah, I was just going to read the feature matrix. No, I was going to talk about MGC in the seminar, actually. Okay. Yeah, so we had a seminar. It was pretty packed. MGC in general was cool as a show. It had expanded this year to the Milwaukee Convention Center. So I hadn't seen it before. but you had the absolutely massive Marco booth that I was working at and helping set up the games for where you had 30 Iron Maidens plus another 20 games. I have a question, sir. Yes. Were all 30 machines sold at the show, or were they brought back? I'm just wondering about that part of it. Oh, they were all sold. Okay, cool. That's cool. And they all had plaques that said who they were sold to. Oh, that's very cool. You would play someone's game and say, this game belongs to this person, and, you know, he's putting it here or he or she's putting it here at the show so that they can get the game as soon as the show is done. And it helped people get pros a little bit sooner if they put them at the show. Yeah. Yeah, they're awesome. I never heard about that one, but the show looks really cool. So, Ray, have you played Iron Maiden yet?
    17:50
    I'm on the West Coast. There's nothing. I think California finally got one of theirs. Yeah, the trucks move slower out west.
    17:59
    Come on, Tim, work on that. Get him his Iron Maiden now. Well, Chicago's a lot closer to New York than it is to Seattle, I have to say. The games have to leave from the exact same place. I've got a feeling that even though Ray's going to get to play it with less time, all of a sudden his score is going to be much better than ours.
    18:19
    It will be. I got to play it. What did you think, Ron? I played it at the world-famous Rock Fantasy. Wow, that's got to be the place to play it. That's the place to play it. I mean, the guy who owns the place is in the game, literally. His initials are in the high score table. Really? I couldn't find him or Levy on there, but I know they're in there somewhere. I was digging. Tim could tell us what champion. They're under the different – there's different champions, like, you know, spinner or meltdown champion. I love that one. It's going to be like Dragon Fist, like a spinner cow. but there's like all these different champions. I'm sure Tim could tell us which ones they are. You are champion. I know Keeler is question mark master.
    19:03
    I'm undead champion and then I forget which one Levy is but he's on that same page. A skill shot champion.
    19:11
    You have to play the game to find out what that question mark does. Oh yeah, Rayday, don't mind Tim. He's not willing to help anyone learn anything about this game. Is the question mark at the top of the power features, like pyramid thing? Yeah, I think that's where it is. Okay. I think I know what it is then because I think I got to it. Yeah. Yeah, you did get to it your first game, I think. Yeah. Okay, so that was that. Yeah. They've managed to make a rule set that I was actually interested to learn.
    19:44
    It's incredible. This is a banner day. Is it the next dialed in? I would say it's similar in that how can I say this and I've heard someone else say this it's like a 90's Williams game would have been if they were still around and making games that's what it feels like to me anyway it feels like something that Williams would have made I totally agree with that it feels like it doesn't compare to the feel of a normal stern in the way that it's just like the combos and the flows I mean it only has 5 modes I know. But they're all interesting and different. That's not true. What do you mean it's not true? It's more than five. There's hidden modes. Okay.
    20:28
    What I like... Whoa, is that a leak? Is that a leak? Ooh. No, you would have... Greg would have known this. Greg would have known that there were more modes if he had listened to the streams that we did on the Deadflip channel. Yeah, that sounds good, right? The streams that air at, like, 3 p.m. my time when I'm at work. Right. But first of all, there's six modes on the bottom. There's two minutes to midnight, so there's already one more there.
    20:52
    Actually, the secret of the game is every single song that's in the game has a mode associated with it. Oh, like Metallica almost did. They left out one on Metallica. Not the song one, but they left out a song. Yeah, that's the secret. Mmm. I like it. You're not going to get in trouble for this, are you, Tim? I don't think so. Well, Keith Elwin said it on his Facebook. Oh, okay. So you're fine. Yeah. So it must be fine. Sorry, the one. The one. Thank you. Thank you very much. But I think if you look at what's in the game, right, you have the six modes that have the inserts. You have Trooper Multiball. You have Mummy Multiball. You have the Number of the Beast Wizard Mode. Okay, that's nine songs. You have Cyborg. That's got another song. And then you've got two more songs to make 12.
    21:41
    Okay. So you only hear the song you pick during out-of-mode music? Main play, you hear it. You can change from ball to ball, which is awesome. Or operators can disable that in the menu if they want to.
    21:56
    So Ray, you just spoke highly of Dialed In, and you just got one, right? So did you love the game that much before you got your hands on one, or now that you own it and you've crushed it a bit? I just played it a couple of times in tournaments, and I fell in love with it right away. Yeah. So obviously when you win a free Iron Maiden, which I'm sure you'll do in the next six months, you'll be able to figure it out. They won't give any of those away. Are you kidding? I'll be getting a WWE.
    22:21
    Hey, you got the Ghostbusters as Eric Stone got stuck with the WWE. What I like about Iron Maiden is, and forgive me if I'm wrong, I haven't actually seen one, but it doesn't have the usual, like, you shoot a mode start scoop and then select your mode sort of thing, right, that they've done for the past three games? Yeah, you don't select your mode after you hit the shot to start it You lock it in once the mode start is ready so you can change the mode by shooting the spinner on the bottom left prior to it being ready, which is the fifth white shot on the first time, and then once it's locked in you can't change it so if you know that you've got one more shot to hit then if it's not a mode you want, you change the mode if it is a mode you want, you light the next shot Oh, interesting, okay So when I played it at Rock Fantasy, I did have a couple really big games to start off. So I thought I would really like it and was not disappointed. I really like the multiplier, the multipliers, the way they work. Don't you have to hit like a bunch of targets? You have to hit, yeah, you hit Xs. Once you hit all the Xs, it will light like the 2X, but it will light solid, meaning it's not active yet. You can activate it yourself. The activation is the in lane. There's a roving shield. There's a light on the in lane, which you can move back and forth. Oh, so like Walking Dead style? Not quite, because it's the play field multiplier, not just the shot multiplier. Oh. So you get to choose when to activate your play field multiplier. Yep, and you can stack it, meaning if you hit all the X's again and you haven't collected the first one yet, instead of 2x, it's now 3x. I definitely want to give props to Keith for... I feel like I'm a rules guy normally, and there's so much going on that I'm just like... I'm at awe just trying to figure it out as I go, and the shots are so fun that it doesn't matter that I don't know what's happening yet. The funny thing is, I had the opposite feeling. Like, I actually understood what was going on, and I almost never understand what's going on in these games. Probably Greg's been cracking me up. Greg loves to find these, like, deep stacks of Star Wars in Game of Thrones. Then he's telling me, Tim, what's the strat in Iron Maiden? What's the strat? I'm like, you play it and have fun and discover it for yourself. I mean, the strategy is to put more quarters in and keep playing it and have fun. Are you saying the first... I know, pinball is only about losing the game. The way to play the game for score have aligned once again for the first time in a while. It's up for you to decide, but... Okay, guys, to make this the genuine clusterfuck, I'm about to tag in Levy and I'm going to go grab another drink to fulfill my... Wow. Dude, he's coming in. I'm not leaving, but... Oh, boy. I think I know how to add people. Wait one second. Oh, God. He'll drop off, probably.
    25:13
    Oh, he'll just get a feedback loop. That's what'll happen. All right. He might be here. Trust me, we've had a lot of never-beef meetings with Levy, and he never gets it right. Oh, here he is. Never-beef. Are all you guys going to the New York championships?
    25:27
    Yeah, we're all going. Two of us are... I mean, Tim and Levy are running it, and the rest of us are players. Is this thing working? It's working, Levy. Hello. Oh, I did it.
    25:39
    All right. I did it first try. Welcome to the Slam Phil podcast. Clusterfuck edition. Yes. Wow. What else we got? Okay, so I take it we can cuss on this show. Let's go. Yes. Well, this is... Fuck yeah. Yeah. So we have Bruce and Ron. We have Greg. We have Timmy. And we have Raymond Davidson is also on. Whoa. Gang's all here. Yeah. So what could I possibly add to this discussion? Well, we were talking about the booms of Project Pinball joining and Papa joining NYC PC. I said we've got more booms in the future. One boom today I didn't point out. Al T. Hack announced that Iron Man will be used at NYC PC. That's a boom.
    26:23
    Now, Timmy wouldn't tell us a couple things. Maybe we go to the big head cheese, the head beef guy, and ask him. The head beef guy. I couldn't possibly take credit for being the head beef guy. There's so much beef to go around in this city.
    26:38
    But I will say we're working on a major boom, something almost unprecedented in pinball tournaments in this day and age. But unfortunately, I can't really say until the ink is dry on the contract. But it's going to be very exciting, and you'll be talking about it next week. Ooh. Yeah, what do you think of that? Pretty tasty.
    27:03
    I'm still trying to figure out where I'm staying for that tournament. I have a hotel room booked, but I would appreciate a roommate. We'll see what happens. Nobody wants a room with the number one player in the world? I can't believe that. It might rub off. Actually, I had two people reach out to me, but both of them said suspiciously that they'll find out this weekend if their plans will go through, and if not, they will be able to room with me. It turns out those two people are planning to room with each other, so if that doesn't work, then both of them will have to come to me, and then one of them, it seems like something's not going to work there. It sounded like you got cock-blocked, actually.
    27:46
    Man, anything goes on this show. This is fucking great. Man, you know what? If I ever start listening to Pinball Podcast, this is going to be the first one. Wow, I'm honored And, you know, Kanan has been begging me to come on his show But those are the guys I wanted to step up and do what can happen with So here I am with really nothing to say except a vague teaser for a major fucking boom Did you say that Iron Maiden was going to be at New York City Champs? I would say that in any normal scheme of things, any normal pinball tournament that on its own would warrant a press release, but we've got so much crazy shit going on these days that barely warrants a mention but yes, we are going to have Iron Maiden it's the one at Pioneers right now, if you want to go get some early practice on it if you want to get early practice on the rest of the games New York people, or a chunk of the games we're doing funtorian testing all month to get these games right and get them down pat. So we're doing that on Saturday. Anybody here in New York can contact me and come over and mooch off my games and get some free practice. You're going to love it. So do we have a game list, partial game list?
    29:06
    Well, I'm going to tease Iron Maiden. We might have an Iron Maiden there. I don't know if you heard.
    29:13
    I don't know if you saw with Al's barrage of Twitters this morning. Al's kind of become an unofficial member of Neverbeef using any number of games that may or may not be in the tournament I've kept a count on it so far you have like 36 games in the main it's awesome and I recently found out we're going to have Blackwater 100 in the tournament even though I don't think we're going to let that within 20 city blocks of the NYCPC apparently that is in the mix we're going to stay away from weird mid-80s ballads unless somebody can step up with a black belt I think we're going to stay away from those games but you know the people come first we give them what they want I hope there's a stars there that would be very disappointing if there was no stars at night I'm going to fucking lay it on you we're bringing the stars baby fuck yeah whether or not it's Bane Bank what bank will it be in I don't believe there was no press release for that. That's a fail.
    30:18
    That's a scoop. We got a scoop. We got our first scoop. I think somehow Levy is going to get credit for making the value of stars go up like 60%. It's already happened. You know, I used to pick those up for $50 like a bag of change just randomly. But these days, you know, you can't touch the stars for less than like $500. It's really, really, really crimping my style as far as collecting all the stars in the New York area. Speaking of sweet old sterns, congrats to Ray on his first solid stay with Meteor. I saw that pic. That's pretty sweet. I saw that, too. Congratulations.
    30:51
    Yeah, that game's really fun. There's, like, actual strategy for trying to get your extra ball and, like, lining up the numbers but not over-lining them up because then if you get them to seven, you're screwed. And, like, yeah, it's pretty cool.
    31:06
    You know, I've never really put any time in on that one. That's a spinner boom game, right? Yeah, get to spell Meteor without one letter. Get to Max Value Spinner, Rip Spinner, Tap Pass or Shats or something, Rip Spinner. Yep. That's your way, most of them. I'm going to let you in on a little piece of pinball trivia. I believe that movie is based on the terrible Sean Connery late 70s disaster movie of the same year. Why, yes it is. Why are you making fun of my movie? It does say Meteor TM on the side, so. Yep. Bruce, I'm just going to go ahead and throw this out. That is the worst Sean Connery I've ever heard in my life. Go fuck yourself, you bastard. Come back with a Shatner or something. Shatner?
    31:47
    All right, so Levy isn't acquainted with this. He hasn't heard Ron's Hank Hill before. It is based on the movie in that there's, in the movie, it takes three missiles to blow up the meteor, hence the three banks. Ah. Yes. That must be a lot of suspense, the first two plow into the meteor, and then the third, you know, really has our fingers crossed. If I remember, the deal was, like, Russia and USA had to work together to, like, blow it up. So it was, like, something like that. Some say that movie provided a gateway to Glassnose in the late 80s. Yes. Does that make Meteor the first licensed theme pin? Oh, hell no, my friend. No, no. You're forgetting all the valleys in the late 70s. And also, Sinbad, believe it or not, is some kind of a license, because Gottlieb was owned by Columbia Pictures at that time, who I believe were churning out terrible Sinbad movies. Yes. That is correct. Wait, you mean that game's not based on the comedian Sinbad?
    32:43
    Ouch. Boo! Was that the guy that stole people's jokes and then still ended up being a B-list comedian? That was George Lopez, I think. Sinbad didn't steal a single joke in his life. Sinbad signed Carlos Mencia as the famous... Yeah, Carlos Mencia is who you're making up. That's who I was thinking of. Yeah, he stole it from George Lopez, so... Sorry, George. And he was called out by Joe Rogan in a UFC bout that'll go down in history. That's not true, but he was caught up on Joe Rogan. Yes, he was. Now, Raymond Davidson, the number one player in the world, is this the first time you've been to New York? Yes.
    33:17
    Wow. Are you staying at the Skyline? Yeah, I mean, I have a book, so I plan on staying there. It was surprisingly, like, the cheapest option, which boggled my mind. You hear that?
    33:34
    White castles, baby. We got to get them hooked on white castles. Ray, when are you flying in? I like White Castle. There's one in Vegas I go to anytime I'm down there. When are you flying in, buddy? It's like people want it. Man, this is a great show. I love it. I'll be flying in 8 p.m. Friday, so I'll get a couple hours of qualifying in Friday and then hit the banks Saturday morning, 10 a.m. You know, it's too bad you're not coming in on Thursday. You could help us move 25 games.
    34:00
    I was going to say you could win the pre-tournament at Modern. Greg, would you like to plug the free tournament, which we have given you free reign to run as you see fit? Okay, so at Modern Pinball in New York City, Thursday, the day before New York City Pinball Championships, we will be starting a 64, that's right, you heard it first, 64-player knockout, probably around 7.30 p.m.
    34:27
    We might be there sort of late, but what better way to prepare for the biggest weekend of the year, pinball championship in New York City than to play until 2 a.m. The City That Never Sleeps. This thing's going to be out until 2 a.m. on Thursday? Are you giving away any satellite spots like pinball style? Actually, that's a cool idea. What do you guys think? Live question.
    34:49
    What's the satellite spot? That's a future press release from NBP. Yeah, we've only got to melt this stuff. We've only got about three weeks left and I'm planning on releasing three press releases a day.
    35:04
    So, you know, I'm not really at liberty to discuss these. What is this satellite spot? You mean just like giving Ray Day a spot because he's Ray Day? No, I mean, I think that. Let him play somewhere else. Don't let me impose or influence you. The concept would be that someone that is not registered for the tournament, the highest finisher that isn't registered, would get this magical access, bringing the excitement level to another level beyond whoppers and money. You know what else would give them magical access? personally handing me $50.
    35:37
    I'm willing to do that on stream if you want the excitement. So, I don't know, it's just an option. People can think about it. Just so everybody knows, this is not, like, as such a charity tournament, although we do have a sponsorship with Project Pinball we're very proud of. But, you know, it's just a pinball tournament, and we're going to run it as we see fit. Yeah, and also I'm going to veto the thing where you can give Levy $50 and get in the tournament. We are booked full, and we have a wait list, and we have to follow protocol. Checks and balances, ladies and gentlemen. That's how you run a pinball court. So I have an important question. Wait, wait. Us in modern New York City guys have to ask you guys from out of town. So Bruce, Ron, and Ray, you'll be gracing us with your friendly presence. What are you looking forward to eating for dinner? I mean, honestly, where are we going? We're going to have to all go out.
    36:27
    Applebee's Times Square. Yes. Yeah. No. or Olive Garden. You know, they do the most business of any Olive Garden. The one right in Times Square, we could do that. There's a lot of options. They have really good pretzels. I want an umbrella. I want to sit outside and eat a pretzel and a dirty water dog and a buttered roll. They don't make anywhere else good buttered rolls except for New York City. So, you know, I have to admit I have listened to your podcast, at least the seven minutes of it where you guys were trashing New York City about five months ago when we announced this thing. Of course. That was not me. That was Ron. Yes. Ron took issue with the fact that I claim New York City is a greater city than Albany. Again, that's not what I said. And I know it's open to interpretation. Yeah, yeah, obviously it is. Wait, isn't Albany technically the capital of New York? That means nothing. What's the capital of Seattle?
    37:23
    Washington, D.C. is the capital of Seattle. Everybody knows that. Olympia is the capital of Washington. Olympia?
    37:34
    But I'm glad to hear you guys are warming up to the idea of coming to New York for this thing. Are you going to be staying the night, or are you going to cheap out and commute to Rochester?
    37:42
    I actually have my sister-in-law. Well, first, I might stay with Ron. If not, if it doesn't work out that way, I'm going to stay with my sister-in-law in Oakland, New Jersey. So I'm going to take the train in. Okay. All right. You know, that's part of the experience. That's something millions of New Yorkers do every day. I love the train. Brain system is the best. Personally, I don't see why we're not having some kind of huge hostile-style slumber party of sorts. It's going to be pretty hostile. Yeah.
    38:08
    Speaking of hostile, someone just messaged me. Jeff Teal is congrats on number 1,000 on his group page. Pinball. Sorry, we've not had any podcasts on this since we're not invited to the podcast yet. No, no, no, nobody.
    38:24
    Also, Jeff isn't welcome in the clusterfuck. No, we like Jeff, but we have not been invited for the thing yet. So this is a boycott against Mr. Chuck. I'm sure it's an oversight, Bruce. No, no, no. He's just doing it on purpose, Lee. So what are you talking about, Bruce, being that you said the thing, you know, the thing. The international, what's it called? The podcaster bloodbath. Yeah, the podcaster bloodbath invitational, which we have not been invited to. Even though if you go by Chuck's numbers that he posted today, our numbers are higher than Buffalo's. But we still lost. What kind of numbers did you guys get? We got some good numbers on certain things, except for he was totally wrong on them. Let me go right to it right now. He's not talking about viewership numbers. He's talking about grading Buffalo and Rochester. Yeah. Because Albany didn't really count because we really don't have anything here. Yeah. The Trash Talker Selection Committee made a – hold on. I'm going to go right now. And what you're hearing in the background is Bruce is right next to the pinball area. Yes, I am. Is this live on the Silver Ball Saloon? Yes, it is. Silver Ball Saloon.
    39:31
    Wow, look at their booty. That place looks pretty sick, Aspers. I'd love to show you. Yeah, no, Levy, I don't know if you're ever going to make it over there. Obviously, Ray probably won't. Tim looks pretty far away now, too. But I can say with all certainty, not just kissing Bruce's ass because he's so damn handsome. The place is really outstanding. Thank you. The games play as good as you expect Bruce's games to play, and the lineup is sweet. He served me a whole bunch of alcohol when I was there, so I was submitted. Is Rochester far from Buffalo? An hour. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I think the way I would end up at a Civil War saloon would probably be if I went to Buffalo for the Buffalo Pinball Open. You are always welcome, sir. The money isn't great, but the tournament is at Buffalo. You'd enjoy it. It's a pretty sweet tournament. and they're doing the Yacht Club this year. I've got to say, I'm really impressed. I love the Yacht Club. Did DJ tell you that the Yacht Club is down the block from where we're staying at his house? Yeah, it just gets better and better. Yeah, literally, I can roll out of bed to the tournament next year. Wow, that's pretty sweet. Yeah, because that 20-minute drive was killing us before.
    40:40
    Yikes. And maybe we'll stop at Ron's on the way up there. Paul's no longer being here. You know, we really discouraged him from taking this job at that pinball manufacturer because we miss him. You know, we miss his presence, his car, and his availability. So I don't know how I'm getting to Buffalo this year, but if I'm driving, I'm definitely going to make a stop. Then Jetus will drive us. In the minivan. Yeah. All right. Speaking of vans, before New York City Pinball Championship, we have another big event. the famous Allentown show only one weekend away. Yes. Most of us will be there. All these people on, it's blowing our format up here. I have this whole format that has gone in the shitter at this point.
    41:33
    Is there a format? What's the format? So Greg hosts the podcast typically and then he walks through the next few tournaments and then Rod and Bruce chime in too. That's how every episode goes. Like for example, We have, like, Path of Play. We're going to mention that. So there's the Path of Play day, which is this Saturday. This Saturday, yep. Wait, there's an agenda? There's always an agenda. Yeah, there's basically an agenda with some points, and then it just goes wherever it goes. Well, I guess you don't get to be the number one podcast in pinball by just, like, shooting the shit, right? No, no. No, no, no, no. You have to be backstabbing and make fun of every pinball company out there in the world. That's how you get to be the trippy winner. Wow. The gold standard. So you guys really don't like Chiolas, huh?
    42:26
    Actually, Jeff wants in on this clusterfuck if anyone's... Well, he's in on it. I don't know if you guys noticed, there was a press release fairly recently. He's going to be on site at the New York City Pinball Championships lending his pro talents for interviews, snippet of life segments, perhaps sidewalk interviews, really anything we can use him for. So we're really glad to have Jeff Teolis on hand to lend an air of professionalism to our event. Hear, hear for Jeff Teolis. Yay. Woo-hoo. Yay. Although his professionalism is canceled out by his Canadian.
    43:00
    He actually made me remove the fact that he was Canadian from the press release. I actually put that on there. I called him Canadian broadcast personality. He just said, take out Canadian. His only note on the press release, and usually there's a lot of them, his only note was, take out Canadian, nobody cares.
    43:20
    You know, after having recently been on Jeff Parsons' show, the Pinball Players podcast, which we were not yet. Which we were not yet. I still haven't even been asked. I kind of want to go on that. I bet you Raymond's about to get a call shortly after this. I guarantee you will, and we'll be still sticking our thumbs up our ass going, where the fuck is our answer? I've found myself keeping thought for days on end afterwards. Who has the sexier, more like professional radio pinball voice? Jeff Teolis or Jeff Parsons? It's Bruce Nightingale. Quippy winner. Who? What? Is Jeff the pinball player podcast guy? Pinball players. Jeff Parson. He's the podcast. The pinball players podcast. He's got a great voice, and it's not infected with a disease strain of Canadian accent, I think. You're giving him the edge. And, yes, I know I said I don't listen to any podcasts, but I did hear through the great Vine that he did a little thing when we announced the New York City Pinball Championship. So I did listen to it. He was incredibly impressed with our trailer. so he won a friend for life in the Never Beef team And he seems to have a good thing going So if I ever start regularly listening to podcasts he number two on the list behind the slam tail cast He says Papa, though. Papa. Yeah. What about Papa? That does irk me. He said that? Papa. It's a Canadian thing. Papa. But you know what? I think they're both number one in my heart, but, I mean, at the same time, they're different, right? Like, this podcast, we're here talking bullshit and going through the stuff. Jeff's like an interview. Yeah, we definitely ain't no interview. Jeff loves interviewing me when I'm drunk, by the way. It's great. So all the time. Okay. Have we talked about any pinball news or anything? We're trying to get to that right now here. So we've got Path of Play. That's going to be Path of Play Day Saturday. I will hope to be – I think I'll be streaming Friday. So I will be streaming with my Path of Play T-shirt, and I'll have the link where you can donate to Path of Play Day. Woo-hoo. What is Path to Play? Path to Play, it's helping children with autism, with their social skills, because they're much more comfortable in play situations, whether it be pinball, board games, arcade games, that kind of thing.
    45:43
    Fostering an environment of communication, et cetera. All right, I like it. Yep. I'm in. What do you want, like $20? So we support, well, you can donate. Do we have a website, Bruce, at all on that? Sure, if you just Google Path of Play, you will find it. Yeah, you'll find it, Path of Play.
    46:03
    Let's try to get Jeff on. I tried, but it didn't work. Maybe Skype doesn't work across, like, international boundaries. Well, he just called me. Hold on, hold on. I'm going to try to join him in. I think that was the problem because he called me. Why don't you just call me on my phone, and I'll hold the phone up to the mic. Yeah, it doesn't say he's on right now. If he can get where it says he's on, I can add him to the group call.
    46:30
    So while we're dealing with this shit, I want to ask Ray a question. That tournament that you just won, the Portland Pinball, which is, I'm not sure if it's a circuit anymore, but it's certainly a big event. How did that work exactly? Is it like nonstop head-to-head over and over again, just a huge bracket of head-to-head? Yeah, it's pretty ludicrous. It's just a 128-person double E-limb bracket, random seating. So how many matches does that add up to you winning? Each match is a two out of three on the same game.
    46:58
    Ah, I like that. What did you go, 6-0, 7-0? How many wins did it take? I don't know. What's the log base two of 128? Oh, God. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 matches, I think. That seems a little high.
    47:16
    Maybe not. Oh, they're not heartbreakers. Allentown is a circuit this year? Yes, it is. Wow. I thought you knew that when we were hyping it up to one another. I was as excited as I was. It's kind of the start of the season. I mean, without Papa this year, it's been a huge whopper hole in all of our lives. The whopper hole worked to my advantage. Yeah, that helps me. It certainly did. But I feel like it benefited a few and cost many.
    47:47
    Although, really, I mean, everybody kind of didn't get those whoppers this year. So really the only beneficiary was Ray. So congratulations, Ray.
    47:55
    Benefit on our misery. Oh, by the way, Ray, congratulations on being the new number one player in the world. Yeah, it's a big deal. Thank you. Which we just mentioned now, 20 minutes into the broadcast. Yes. And I have to ask, you don't mind if I pimp that out in a future press release, do you? I'm going to talk about all the luminaries we have, the legends of pinball.
    48:17
    Because, you know, my girlfriend Nancy, she pointed out that I need to kind of stir up some of this, like, personality stuff in the final press release that goes out to the press here to try to get people really interested in it. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. You can hype it up. But, you know, don't hype it up too hard because, you know, when I lose to Keith Elwin on Sunday, I don't want to be too embarrassed.
    48:37
    Don't worry about that. I mean, you know. We're the ones who are going to be embarrassed. So are we giving up on Jeff? This isn't going to happen? Hold on, Brian. Hold on. Every single time I try to add Teolis to the chat, it, like, falls through. Like, it's almost got, like, a maximum number of people. It's not. It doesn't have a maximum.
    48:56
    Trust me. I know my Skype. Yeah, I do, too. Yeah, now that I think about it, people play, like, World of Warcraft religiously with each other on this shit, right? Hundreds of people. Play World of Work on Skype?
    49:08
    Yeah. Huh? Whoa. I see a plus two. Yes, I have somebody else on now. Is this the coalition against Canada? Oh, my God. What?
    49:20
    Oh, man. The format is done. It's over. Clusterfuck is now complete. I'm not going to have fun editing this. Oh, yeah. I'm not even going to try to edit this at this point. Anything you say will be recorded. Okay, Ryan. So right now we have Levy Neyman on, Greg, Tommy Soxton, Ron Hallett, myself, and Raymond Davidson. That's a fucking boom, baby. Tommy Soxton. Tommy Soxton is on. Ultra Jackpot fame. Yeah, Ryan goes through and listens to every call-out in the game and then closes the file and goes, oh, I'm happy.
    50:04
    How long did that take, Ryan, to explore the nooks and crannies of that code? Well, there's an auto, if you open up the mobile browser, there's an auto-play next feature, so I just kind of put my headphones on while I'm working, and when I hear something interesting, I listen back to it again and crack a bit of a boner and move on. jeez don't you want to be surprised by these call outs by actually playing the game we're in Australia here so I have to wait two months until I play the games so there has to be something to time me over but I just wanted to join in to say g'day and this will be our fourth podcast in the week just to drain everyone and so they hate me so I'll leave you guys to continue talking how long is it over there it's September Deadpool is amazing Wait, Ryan, we can't take sympathy on the lack of Iron Maiden in Australia because didn't you tell me that you got like 30-something LEs going that way? Possibly 50? I don't know. What's the deal? Australia got like 10% of the LEs. Yeah, we only have 25 million people in Australia, but we take 10% of CERN's stock, I believe, for the LE allocation. so we're hungry. We're hungry for pinball machines and I guess we have more money than sense. We don't have the locations like Sunshine Lodge and Pioneers and all these places in New York that just have like every new machine that you don't have to go and buy to play. We have to buy machines if you want to play them. We appreciate the Australian market here at Stirred Pinball.
    51:43
    We appreciate all of our markets. thanks for your continued support of our company that's great to hear that was the company line if I ever heard one bye Ryan I'm going to leave you to it hold on for two seconds we need Jeff on here too we're trying to get Jeff on right now we're trying to break records Ryan you're part of a world record the most pinball players on a podcast of all time you gotta add Marty because he's going to get upset if I'm on another podcast he's not on Hold on. Go message him real fast. Okay.
    52:19
    It's 12 o'clock lunchtime for him. Is there a pinball player? Oh, it's 12 o'clock in the afternoon right there.
    52:27
    Yeah, I tried to tell these guys I'd be on their podcast, and they're like, well, we have to do it at like 6 in the morning in our time. I was like, shit, why don't I just stay up until 5 a.m.? There you go. You guys up?
    52:38
    All right, Mario will be on in two minutes. Cool, excellent. Jesus. I hate you all. You're killing me. It's a Tuesday today, too, so you don't even have as much time as you usually do. Yes, yes. Raven knows the deal.
    52:55
    I don't know what laughing my ass off. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to be editing. Anything you say is being recorded. I'll just say that. This podcast business, you guys make any money off of this? Ryan's actually super rich from what I gathered in a short time in New York basically all you need to do is kill Pink Stadium Lights and he just starts sending checks so no no no you buy the Iron Maiden LE and you now try to sell it for originally $12,000 now you bring it up to $13,000 that's how you make money and podcasting. Oh, come on. I've never made a few bucks on a pinball machine. Bruce Knight.
    53:43
    No, never. I made $200 on my Buck Rogers, and I'm proud of it. Yeah, you did really well. Oh, no. We have someone else joined. Hello, this is Pinball Profile Headquarters. Holy shit. Wow.
    54:01
    Wait. How many people are in this chat right now? Is it eight? I think it's seven. I think it's seven or eight. Marty's on the way. I just changed formats. It has too many little circles in it now, so they all moved around. Bounce around. They bounce around and they – It's really good stuff when half the people aren't recorded somehow. I have this siren that goes off whenever somebody mentions pinball profile or gives me a compliment. I've got to change it all the time. It's burning out. But anyway, how are you doing, guys? Not too bad. All right. I'm better now with that silky smooth voice of yours. Oh, my. Really? He really classes the joint up, doesn't he? He does. That's something fake classy. In real life, he's a dirty dog. What the hell is that on there? Who is that? What? I don't know who it is. It sounds like... It's true. Is that Ryan C? Ryan C. Oh, God. We got three countries on this thing. Yeah, clusterfuck checklist. We got Ron. We got Bruce. My stuff. Ryan sounds like he's got like ten Tim Tams in his mouth every time he talks.
    55:09
    Do we know anybody from Europe we could get on here? Junus, maybe? The hulking fin? Who? You guys don't know Junus? Oh, he's coming to the NYCP. PC. Yeah, I mean, you guys are probably one of the first. You were one of the first American tournaments that I see people flying out of country to in a while.
    55:27
    There's really no other way to say it. You know, in our first year, we are the second biggest pinball tournament on the planet. So, you know, I want to thank everybody out there for helping make that happen. Wait, how did that statistic, where are you reading that? Well, I'm going by a number of metrics.
    55:44
    Metrics, right? Isn't that the word, Jimmy? That's the word, yeah. Yeah, I'm going by a number of metrics. Just in sheer humans, you know, we're going to have like 150 or so. That's a lot. And, you know, I don't remember the last time that legends of the game, such as Raymond Davidson, Keith Elwin, Bruce Nightingale, Lyman Sheets.
    56:05
    Owen Cairns. But, you know, he may be suppressed on the IFPA website, but he's number one in your hearts, and he's going to be here. We've got all the suppressed All-Stars. I think Kevin Burrell is coming. Unsuppressed. Unsuppressed now. Unsuppressed. Man, he didn't even make it to the All-Star break.
    56:27
    But I just, you know, I think there's really, you know, no doubting our metrics. But, you know, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I think it's good that the more big tournaments with quality players, the better. You claim to be the second biggest tournament, but Josh isn't even coming. Who? Oh, he wouldn't like our tournament. I'm considering leaving Ball Save on one or two of the games.
    56:51
    His wife won't let him go. Oh. That's just an excuse. I bet she wants him out of the house. I bet you that's just an excuse, and he knows, you know, I'm going to be embarrassed. I won't win it again. And, you know, so he blames his wife. I think that's terrible. Yeah. Now, Jeff Jules, I've got to ask you, why did you make me remove Canadian press release? Why did I make you remove what? Canadian press release. Because I'm international, baby. I mean, the funny thing is, this is bizarre, and I know Bruce and Ron know this too, that Yoho Ryan from Australia knows this. When you do stats for a podcast, the number one amount of listeners that all three of us have, whether it's Ryan, whether it's Ron and Bruce, Americans. Number one by far. Number two, I probably for Slam Tilt, definitely for Australia, and definitely for me on Pinball Profile, Australia. Canadians are third. So why put Canadians in there? because you guys are cool fake neighbors to the north I gotta tell Bruce and Ron something really quickly I know and I'm fine with you guys not mentioning other podcasts for this trash talker you guys should be in that I just want you to know I'm not going in it so feel free to no I can't it's too busy I've got my kids for one I'm gonna be doing this stuff and I want to focus on intergalactic I think it's fun it's great but the other reason too is I'm probably the best player out of all you chumps so I would just fall out of bed so I mean it's just a waste of my time and besides I got a bullet I got a machine gun for a mouth the best player is definitely Marty who's just arrived hello welcome to clusterfuck Marty as they say in America it takes 8 to tango we have 8 people on Now we have Ron Hallett, myself, Levy Naiman, Greg Pavarelli, Jeff Teolis, Tommy Soxton,
    58:54
    Ryan Slee, yourself, and the number one himself, the new number one, Raymond Davidson. And it sounds like a bunch of kids that are in prison. What the hell is going on in the background there? Who's got the kids in the background? Oh, that's cool. He's at the bar. I'm at the bar.
    59:11
    Wait, you have children at your bar? Yeah, they can be here until 10, so they just left about 15 minutes ago. We actually had a couple people here. As long as you have a fake ID. Who cares? You got it. So if I want to avoid children, I should go there after 10 o'clock? Yes. All right. Got it. But you don't ignore kids, do you? I don't ignore them because they're so fucking obnoxious.
    59:38
    I have no problem with kids, but, you know, kids in a bar, come on. I don't know if you have a title for this, Slam Tilt, but with all these guys, you've got to call it Linked Sausage. This is a lot of dude. I was going to call it the biggest cluster or, I don't know, NYC PC cluster. Call it a cluster vuck, like cluster VUK. Oh, nice. Oh, that's very good. I'm writing that down. That's what gets you to number one. That's my number one, folks. So we're talking bars. Ryan, what did you learn in your short time in America about New York City-based bars?
    60:20
    That everyone that plays pinball in New York don't have as many commitments as everyone in Australia. Everyone in Australia has to ask permission from their wives and their kids, you know, can I go out tonight?
    60:34
    The kind of the bars thing there is a lot younger or people just kind of not tied down with family as much. and I guess that's the last straw. Mark, can you translate that, please? I was actually referring more specifically to, I was super happy you came to my league, especially since you're so famous now, my league's on your IFPA page, free advertising. But we got drinks afterwards with a couple of the guys, and you turned to me and you're like, wait, do I tip? And I'm like, yeah, you got to tip. That's how they make their money here. And then shortly afterwards, the bartender tried to steal your credit card, it seemed like. they know I gave her my credit card and ten seconds later she said oh here's your receipt and I'm like well how about my credit card and she just kind of looked at me like I don't know I'm like I just gave it to you ten seconds ago and it took about five minutes to find but yeah that was funny and Greg you know you got a lot of nicknames Greg Waparelli Poparelli Drunk Charlie I can't believe how much you drink and still play him all day long. So, Martin, can you translate everything that Ryan's saying, please? I can barely understand it myself.
    61:53
    The only other thing I was going to say, one of the advantages and things that you're lucky for, if you ever come to Australia, is we don't have to tip at all. And the downside of that is we generally get fairly poor service. Well, because you steal it. That's why you don't tip. Pretty much. Yeah. I do have family in Australia. I've been meaning to come. When do they get out?
    62:19
    Watch your mouth, Rick. At least I don't look like Ryan Seacrest. Hi, this is Tom Selleck. This is Pinball Podcast. Tom Selleck has never been... Danny Bonaduce, the girl from Wendy's, I'm all for those. I get that. Tom Selleck, it's never happened. No, John Goodman is definitely you. Of course, if our listeners are on Facebook, they have no idea what you're talking about. Well, we all do. I don't think our listeners have any idea what anyone is talking about. That's a good point. I think the format's kind of out the window. Well, Martin, you're going to Pinnberg, right? That is indeed correct. I'm looking forward to it. Are you participating in the podcast or bloodbath? Well, apparently I am. You got invited. I did, I guess. Yeah, all the cool people got invited. The Sharps are on your team, aren't they? Wasn't that the whole state? No. Come on. I knew they weren't really playing. I'm just kidding. That was really just a shit-stir at JTL. Why did they play for seconds?
    63:27
    Yeah, well, that's right. Oh, man. So, the Doppelgangers, Josh Sharp was Matthew Perry, Zach Sharp was Jason Schwartzman, And then their dad somehow ended up being Geraldo Rivera. So a Spanish guy. Geraldo Rivera.
    63:45
    Inside Al Capone's tomb. Yeah, there's nothing inside Al Capone's tomb. Yes, Bruce. Are you going to be calling Josh Sharp Matthew Perry from now on? I've got a lot of names for him. Matthew Perry is the one.
    64:01
    So what's yours, Bruce? You look like the guy from Mythbusters. Actually, Stephanie did a great thing. And she said, the attitude is Janie, but I have the other guy's internal fun-ness. I forget the other guy. Adam. Internal. Beauty is on the inside, right, Bruce? It is. So, Bruce, you got called out at a podcast.
    64:23
    Yeah, I just heard some buzzing around my head, and I just swatted it away. You're going to respond to it at all? I will. Well, you know, this is more fun than some other podcast trying to jab insignificant jabs at me, because we are the better podcast. We got the three best podcasts in pinball all in one podcast. And Never Beef is along for the ride. Exactly. Wait, why don't we have a Never Beef podcast? Well, that is a good question, Ray. There is definitely a dangerous dearth of pinball podcasts. the entire genre is threatening to disappear. The issue is that Crazy Levy would never be able to pull himself off Pinside trolling everyone continuously to record a podcast. Isn't there already a great one out of New York City anyway?
    65:16
    That's what I can hear. Oh, yes. I've heard to listen to the NYC Pin Pod. Yeah, Pin Pod's great. There you go. There it is. Wait, Ryan, what did you say about Levy on Pinside, that he's like the most entertaining person that even though it's annoying, you can't unsubscribe? Yeah, it's like, it's continuous trolling, but it's the funny trolling, so every other person you just block, but it's you can tell he's just taking the piss out of everyone who takes the hobby too seriously. Hey, I'm just trying to kill time at work like everybody else, you know?
    65:49
    So, you know, what are you going to do? That's what I listen to all your podcasts, guys, at work. for those who don't remember RGP Levy pretty much did the same thing there yes he did now those were the days I really miss RGP nobody well I still want it nobody was getting banned I tried it's just not happening anymore there's like three dudes over there was anyone cool enough to be on RGP2 Electric Kilo I'm cool enough to get another drink be right back so So before Tilt Forms was a thing, there was this place called RGP2, which was for competitive, like very, you know, competitive-focused tournament pinball talk to weed out the noise of, you know, all the other pinball stuff going on at RGP. And it kind of evolved into Tilt Forms, and then RGP2 just kind of vanished. But it was like the secret kind of society where you had to know about it to, like, get invited to it. And it was kind of cool. I didn't ever know about it. Guys, can you give me a tip? Five posts a day. Can you give me a tip then? Yeah. What is the best way to utilize Pinside as a source of information?
    67:08
    Why would you do that? Just look at the for sale post. That's it. Right. Yeah, but that's not for sale. That is probably not for sale. Then Pinside is totally useless. I would say it's not a great source of information as such.
    67:27
    If you want to know what they're going to be talking about on this podcast, it's probably a good place to check in on once a week. Ryan C. lives on it.
    67:38
    I have a tip for how you enjoy Pinside. Find the people who are consistently wrong about everything and then believe the opposite of what they say. Right.
    67:50
    that's going to be the tagline of my podcast, which, by the way, I'm starting right now. It's going to be running concurrently to our discussion. So I'm trying not to split the audience, but I'm Googling podcast right now. I wonder how many people that love you on the internet would be tuning in on Pinside. Probably way too many. I don't understand why people listen to these fucking shows. But here I am. I'm on it. There you go. Living the dream. So do you want to go back to Mrs. Pin, Ron, or do you want to just ignore that? Who? Well, Mrs. Pin.
    68:31
    Did you ever find her on your podcast finder? My podcast finder only finds podcasts with more than 10 subscribers. Oh. So I didn't find her. Let me go subscribe. One second.
    68:44
    This is a success. We should actually get a female into the cult. See, the thing is, we mentioned the podcast last week and the week before, so, you know, to check this out, and then she talks shit about us. I know. I mean, come on. What did she say? I missed that. Oh, she said that I was making fun of her because I said that they're bringing in all this low talent for the bloodbath, and she first tried to get the head-to-head guys involved and said, hey, you know, they're making fun of you, which, of course I am. You know that. Right, Marty? Yeah, for sure. We like it. See? We love it. That's the good thing about it.
    69:27
    It's hard to make fun of Mrs. Pinn because at one time listening to her, you think like you're listening to, like, a school teacher, like Mrs. Rogers, not Mr. Rogers, you know. Like, won't you be my neighbor? And then all of a sudden she turns into Tourette's Woman and every other word have her mouth it's motherfucker that's the charm it is the charm but it's like you don't want to make fun of her because she's like hi i'm gonna make cookies and look my kids are here and and we're gonna do all this stuff and and then she goes linda blair on you exactly god damn i'm gonna kick your asses i'm gonna fucking take down everyone in the man like holy fuck of the rule The power of Christ compels you. Holy fuck. So I'm like, I don't know if I want to go there, but of course I will. You know that.
    70:18
    She's just out of her league. She's out of her league. Have you been invited to the Tres Trophy yet? No, not of course not. We are, because we have a New York compared to New England bias. Right. They're just jealous of us. They are jealous. Fair. But I just realized, with Levy in the mix in this conversation, is he now eligible for all the podcasts as a ringer? He is. No, you're just slam tilt. Only us right now. They'd have to jump on everyone else if he wanted to be on. But we could, you know. Levy's been on mine. Oh, yes, I read he had been. So has Raymond. So has Martin. So has Ryan. So has Greg. So has Tim. So what you're saying, so what Jeff is admitting on air is that he's the podcast whore of everybody. Good thing I'm not in it. I mean, that's kind of what a show is, right? As many people as possible. That's why they're only 15 minutes.
    71:11
    I'm trying to figure out why I keep seeing more people almost joining the podcast here. Oh, I thought I saw that. Who's Carl? I think someone's trying to join multiple people. I've seen Carl D'Angelo, Scott Denise. Get him on. Yeah. Tim, text Keith. Get it. I got an add people button here. Hold on a second.
    71:36
    I mean, what's the point? There'll be so many people talking. What's even going on at this point? We'll get rid of Ryan. Ron, let's go back to that agenda. Is there a way to do the face-off? I don't know if there can be. No, we're not doing the freaking face-off. What is it, eight people judging? The whole fucking way. Just run your fucking class. Oh, God. We're doing 2016 Stern versus the rest. Oh.
    72:00
    that Doug Polk is on right now. Jersey Jack would be more funny. I know, I tried to get Doug. I can maybe try. Let's see if we can add him. Stop! Stop it! I just had the unique luxury of serving as a juror, doing my civic duty, and I can tell you getting eight people to agree on anything is pretty much fucking impossible. Greg, there's nothing unique about that. We literally all do it as citizens of the United States. No, I actually served as a juror on a trial. Have you done that, Levi? Why? Because everyone else said stupider shit than me. It is hilarious to me that Greg is the guy, he's the only guy I know who's ever actually been selected to serve in a criminal case jury. No way, man. If they selected you going, and you say all the most racist things, like you have all this hate on there, like, eat it. We don't want this guy.
    72:49
    Or you just, you'll say, no, just say, like, everyone is innocent in the eyes of the Lord. Oh, just say that. Boom. You're done. That's pretty good, Ron. I like that. Yeah, that's much better than the racist route.
    73:03
    I'm jumping out, guys. Thanks for the cool learning. Ryan! Bye, Ryan! Good day, mate. Bye. See ya. So we still have one Australian with us. He's hanging with us. Hey, Martin. Yes, how are they? It's a good one. Are you working right now? Well, if you want to go back to the format, there's a pharaoh at Papa. We mentioned last week. I think I said there wasn't one. I was corrected, there is one. I've never seen that. Yeah. A Williams Farrow? Williams Farrow. I feel like it was always turned off whenever I saw it. I don't know if I ever got to play it. Does that game any good? I've never had the pleasure of playing one. Eh. Eh, no good. I was actually talking to Ryan during the week about this, in that a lot of those multi-level playfield games of that time, besides Black Knight, well, even Black Knight gets a bit of a bad rap, but they do sort of get a lot of criticism. Why is that? I kind of enjoyed them at the time.
    73:58
    Maybe it's because there's nothing in the middle of the play field except an upper play field. It always seems like there's really nothing much going on down there. Well, if Steve Ritchie... Are you talking about Australia? If Steve Ritchie is going... Nice, well done. So if Steve Ritchie is going to, as the rumours are, going to do Black Knight 3000... Oh, that sounds like bullshit to me. Is he really doing that? That's what we've been hearing, and it would have to be multi-level. Timmy, is that true? Is he doing that? No, we do not estimate that. No, he doesn't. Oh, seriously. It's my first time in the podcast. He's a great guy.
    74:37
    He drives really fast. Would that even be an unlicensed game? That's a license. You've got to pay somebody for that. Why would they do that?
    74:48
    He wears black shirts every single day. Funniest thing. You know, Tim, I've known Tim about 15 years longer than you have, so I don't want to hear this. Yeah, but he still gets your name wrong, so.
    75:04
    Is his name Levi? He does. He's convinced that's my name. He corrected me at lunch. He's like, it's Levi.
    75:12
    Yeah, Levy, why don't you add an extra V to your name so that it's more obvious? Well, I figured, I don't know. You know, it doesn't really bother me when people mispronounce my name. As long as they kind of acknowledge my existence, I'm usually pretty happy. And isn't that what podcasts are all about? Yes. Oh, for sure. They're all about the attention. All right. I can't imagine he'd be churning out another Black Knight game after all these years. But, you know, I've been wrong before. I never thought they'd make an Aerosmith game in 2017 or whatever. Every time I speculate on these podcasts. They're probably wrong on us. I'm always wrong when I speculate on these podcasts. But I could see 3000 being a hit. okay Tim ignore this you're not listening Tim did you see Andy Rose's post about talking about it would be great if they had newer music like Beyonce no chance I don't think it would work I tried to say like why I understand his point in saying that appealing to a newer crowd could be good for certain locations very specific locations I don't think that younger crowd even plays pinball even if they did I like R&B. I like hip-hop. I like all that stuff. It wouldn't work on a pinball. Don't you think virtually any license would have been better than, say, WWE or Mustang or even Guardians of the Galaxy? I mean, no.
    76:35
    WWE? WWE was a replacement team. It was supposed to be Hunger Games. Really? Yeah. Only Tim knows for sure. No, Trudeau told me that too. It fell through. So that was a last second replacement. So then talk about, you know, original or licensed themes, right? So, Daldin, probably a good example. What I'm curious to know is whether that is a really good earner on site because, you know, the general public wouldn't know the theme and, you know, everyone talks about, you know, the reason why they get the themes is because it just gets casual people in. So does it earn or not? I've heard no. At Sunshine, it's doing terrible and the game time is long and that's why it's probably not doing so great. But I've heard from a couple different people that every Stern destroys Dialed In in terms of money. And I don't think it compares. I mean, I'll say this. I'm not a JJP fan, but I love Dialed In. The game is great. The flow is great. The rules are fun. It's just it's an addictive game, but people don't walk up to it that don't know pinball and say, let me play this because it doesn't draw them in. I'll tell you why a new theme won't work because, let's say, you know, Beyonce's been around for a long time with Dustin Schaal, but if you did Cardi B, someone who's super hot right now, she won't be hot in a few years. Kanye West has gone up, gone down. It won't work because the fans aren't loyal to it. I know that from the music business. It's whoever's new, whatever's next. Name somebody that's come on the last two, three years that have had the longevity of 10 years. You know what I mean? Like, it just doesn't happen. That's how much music turns over, you know? So what would be a non-rock Licensed theme Like music group theme Brooks and Dunn Oh god no A boot scootin boogie Oh I have an idea Garth Brooks If it's not EDM based What about I don't know Yeah Mr. Spink No and we just did a freaking very specific remember when I said I wasn't going to edit that's what I did it just seems like they could give it a shot you know you put something out like WWE they're going to be giving those away at pinball tournaments to the end of time like Eric Stone's kid in like 30 years is going to win himself a WWE reality what would have been the harm of making that like a Rihanna or an Eminem or something that like old people like us have no idea about. I mean, they did Shrek with Family Guy, right? Sure. True. And I didn't really like Shrek's last album, but the kids were into it. Well, so that's what I was saying about Mustang. So particularly in Australia, Mustang is not a huge brand. It used to be import only. I heard they got paid to do that. Right. But for me, I actually really enjoy playing that game. that being rethemed would be a much better game. So you mean retheme it now and re-release it? Well, yeah, or even if they'd done it at the time because I heard it didn't do that well. Well, yeah, and again that could have been any number of things aimed at a younger audience.
    79:51
    I mean, car games? Has any car game ever done well besides the high speed games? It could have been cars. Like Pixar cars.
    79:59
    I don't think Corvette did that hot. Stock car. Good game. That is a terrible game. That is one of the worst games ever made. I know it is. It really is. That is a bad game. I once mentioned I needed a part for a stock car or the other one, road race, same game. I once called Steve Young from Pinball Resource on the phone and asked him for, I think it was, I needed one of those AX, one of those little stepper, you know, really. Anyway, as soon as I mentioned it, he just started yelling at me about how horrible that game was. And now I can't help do the same thing when somebody else does it. So, Steve Young yelled at someone? I don't believe that. No, stop.
    80:36
    All right, so I remember when I was thinking Daft Punk would work as a pinball machine. Skrillex would work as a pinball machine. Didn't they already do that? Isn't that Tron? Yeah. Yeah, but no, but that's not specifically it. That was one of the spelling points. People love the music and the soundtrack, and I can't.
    80:51
    Isn't there a Daft Punk multiball, too, or something like that? Yelly. Yeah. Not a multiball. It's like Daft Punk mode for the extra ball on the side ramp. So that's what it's going to be. If it's going to be an EDM or anything, they've got to actually have, you know, a very recognizable visual style as well, and a dark punk would fit into that. Although, are they done? I mean, you know, pop music, some of you don't hear from them for a couple of years. Is the show over? Or are they just kind of hibernating in their helmets? Yeah, probably. Their album won record of the year in 2013 at the Grammys. Just saying. Back on mute. Tommy Soss didn't come back that was a long time ago well for Levy we could have the rush pinball I'm sure he'd love that but you know what it would probably sell I think it was the episode that Keith was on and you guys talked about a Beavis and Butthead re-theme and I really would love that but like in 1995 that would have been good hey Bruce you're a Beavis and Butthead buff do you know what happened to the like reboot that had like 4 episodes like I was so excited it was like Yeah, one year. They didn't win. And then it just vanished. Yeah, we did one record, one season, and then MTV canceled it again because they sucked.
    82:07
    I never saw it. Was it any good? It was excellent. It was good. There was no difference to the original run. Literally no difference. None. Every episode of Beavis and Bloodhead I've ever seen was great. Yeah, it was a pretty damn good show. But I don't know. I think that you're talking about that thread that Andre Prozo, who's an operator, he opened it up. You know, a lot of people don't know that he was a B-boy back in the day. There are pictures of Andre Prozo in, like, red tracksuits. Yeah, take a look at that one picture of him. He looks like Dirk Diggler, pulling from the neck up. Time out, guys. Oh, man. I was about to say, Jeff, do you know more information? No. Ron? Yes? I need the phone number, please. The phone number for who? Is it frozen?
    82:56
    Skype. Are we having someone else calling in? Yes, we are. What's the number? You could just look at the email I sent you last week. I don't have it on me. Give me the number real fast. Wait a minute. I can't say this on air. Everyone will be calling in. Okay. You're going to edit it. That's what you're doing.
    83:13
    Hold on. I'm trying to find the damn thing. Hold on. Let me look myself. Let me go back and look. How about the music? I got it. He's got it. They're retired. They're white, which helps. And they're kind of old. But they were still making... He's obsessed with the white thing. Obsessed.
    83:32
    Look, I'm not the one who's trying to keep the line moving, Tim Balls. It's going great. I'm actually surprised they never did a Michael Jackson game. Billy's jeans, can't pull them off. Did you just use multi-ball? Oh, man. This is why this podcast is great. This is why we've just lost, I don't know how many listeners at this point. I think Smooth Criminal or whatever in the background would be actually pretty cool. It would be. That would be great. How about a hockey one? Everybody hates hockey down here.
    84:05
    It's a shit game. Whoa, come on. It's playoff hockey. I'd say that it's just not really popular over here. Well, we're not going to be doing kangaroo hops. We're not going to be boomerang. Kangaroo full bags. Slap on your face.
    84:18
    Oh, my God. You know, it's not a terrible idea. Stern should crank out some cheapies like NFL, Stern, you know. Those games sold, even though they're out there. Oh, no. Martin wants the Wiggles.
    84:30
    Oh. The Wiggles itself with a roof. Okay, so what's everyone's game? What's a theme that you would love to buy? Let's go down the list. Okay, let me just do this priest so we can just skip. I'd go for a priest. You know, or maybe a good, the bad, and the ugly. Ooh.
    84:51
    I've been saying Black Sabbath for a while. I'm a huge Black Sabbath fan, and it just would work so well with pinball. I'd be into that. Martin?
    85:00
    Well, look, the obvious for me is Harry Potter. I think that would be a great thing. But looking sort of outside that, as far as, you know, like a cartoon thing, like Wick and Morty would be great. Adventure Time, I reckon, would be great visual there. But, you know, Harry Potter for sure. So now we need to know, what's your house, Marty? What's in my house? Well, I've got a... Are you a Hufflepuff? A Ravenclaw? A Gryffindor? Whatever it is. I'm a Hufflepuff. Okay. Yeah. Raymond? What did they just say? Weird Al. Weird Al? Yeah. I like that. All right, yeah. A lot of big Weird Al fans out there. I am. One of the best live shows I ever saw, believe it or not. Yes. Incredibly. Well, mine is easy. You know what mine is. Beavis and Butthead, of course. Of course. and mine would be Mel Brooks movies. Oh, that's nice. Is Tommy Soxon allowed to say what his is? Yeah, I think I would do probably.
    86:01
    That would be my favorite for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Music for me would be Led Zeppelin and if it would be just any kind of theme. Actually, I said this to Bowen, we were at a round table at the circuit final, and I said, I think what would be great, and it has so many different opportunities, do one based on Saturday Night Live, with all the different characters and things. You could have a lot of fun. The videos would be great, too. I agree. Yeah, that's funny. You don't really see comedy pins. I can't really think of any. Am I missing South Park? Evil Madness. Yeah.
    86:42
    Alright, that's cool. So, Levy, would you like to plug one of your pinball machines you like to sell? Well, before you do that, I've added someone to the call. I don't know who.
    86:52
    We're just checking random numbers now. Who are you? What the fuck is going on? Hi, Steph. Hi. Can you smell the testosterone? It's no more sausage party. The sausage party has come to a crashing end. Yeah. Everybody, suck in your guts. Clean up your language.
    87:10
    Oh, come on. Roll boy's here. Oh, I'm here. So, Steph, we have Levy. Greg, Jeff Teolis, Martin from Australia, Tommy Soxton, and Raymond Davidson. And the ghost of Ryan Seaton. Fucking Christ. And we had Ryan Seaton for this. Is Carl on here? No. I'm trying to get Carl on here. I'll get him. Oh, my God. Someone message Josh. Oh, there you go. All right. I will. Go ahead. Okay, hold on. This is a hotline. so uh what orgy did i interrupt here there we go oh my it's the only guy pay no attention to that bowl in the middle oh wow oh we've been talking about everything hey steph you you came in right at dream theme discussion. What's it going to be from Steph?
    88:10
    A dream theme? For pinball. Or if you just want to tell us the themes of your recent dreams, that's, you know, we're here now.
    88:19
    Linkin Park, Blink-182, and then Total Weed, Tales of Symphonia. I don't know what that last thing was, but the first two very sound like rock bands from the last 15 or 20 years. Would that be correct? Yeah, New Metal and Pop Punk because I am trash. All right. Well, there's something, you know. Music from after the Clinton administration would definitely be a revolutionary theme. Blink started during the Clinton administration, and I think so did Blink and Park. No, Hybrid Theory was, what, 01?
    88:54
    Yeah, but they all had their moments during Bush. That when they really came to Bush 2 Yeah Bush 2 As usual Kimmy right Thank you Steph By the way the reason I not going to say what my dream thing would be because I would rather do it than say it. So, no, if you actually say it, that everyone's going to speculate and then it's going to be great because they're all going to be talking about it for years on end. Just the golden girl thing. If there was anything you could absolutely like would not want to do, what would that be?
    89:28
    He can't say that in an absolute lyrics game. Is that a question for all of us? I think it should be. Levy, go. You know, I don't think a game about Kaiser Wilhelm II would do too well. I'm going to pull that one out. Are you sure? I'm a first-time guy, huh? All right, I'll start. Just from the ones I've heard, I can't imagine anybody would ever want to play a Bible-themed pinball machine. Oh, God, no. So I'm going to throw that one out there.
    89:58
    Zach would. No. Don't make me three-way him in here. Oh, my. Yeah, but Zach hates Spider-Man, so... Wow, it's harder to think of the games you don't want? You would think that'd be easier. Yeah, that's true. I think that's a good set-up. For me, it would be a second Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, shit, that's already happened. Oh, burn.
    90:22
    Jersey Jack gets no love lately. Is that a third or fourth Elvira game ever coming out, or was that just a dream I had? It's coming.
    90:34
    This is something people want. It's coming for you. I'm sure that and many other terrible stuff. Welcome to the podcast, though. Is that one of her lines this time?
    90:46
    All right, so what's on the agenda? I'm into this idea that the podcast has an agenda. Oh, now we're into that. Now we're into that. Is there anything we didn't cover at this point? Oh, we got a lot still. No, stop, stop. Well, we definitely covered the New York City Pinball Championships. Yes, we did. Not as much as we should have, really, but, you know, there's still time. Don't forget the pre-event at Modern Pinball the day before. Yeah. Is there any hotel rooms still available? We have sold out our block. That does not mean their hotel rooms are not available. You can still call them and ask them for the rate. Okay. That's weird. I just bought mine, like, yesterday. Did it just sell out? You got the last room! Good job, Raymond Davidson. I was told it had sold out. That's good. Hopefully we can keep them going, get more people so it makes the tournament better. You know, it really is the best place to stay. I mean, everybody likes staying at the hotel or the tournament. It's a great location. The place is nice enough. I have a question. Is there press passes?
    91:43
    Yes, there will be press passes. Hey, I'm in the fucking press. Me too. Right. New York City media. New York City media will be getting press passes. You know, movers and shakers, people covering this thing. We already have a big New York local station. They're going to do that with the camera crew. Cool. It's a big couple weeks for us on the East Coast. We got Allentown. We got Iron Maiden launches. We got New York City pinball championships. It's just like back-to-back-to-back pinball. Okay, there's the subject. Who's going to Allentown here? Marty, you going to Allentown? I'm not. Oh. You should be, Martin. Come on up. You can stay at my house. I have a special place in my heart. I've always loved that. Now that I'm playing tournaments, it's cool to play in a tournament there. But it's a great show. You know, it's always fun to hang out in the flea market and all the people walking around. And it's, I don't know, it's got its own real. The food is great at that market. If you wait it out to the last minute and you're really diligent with your money, all of a sudden at the last second, all these guys that can't bring games home because their wife will kill them are just like, oh, my EM is now $300 off. Yeah, the young man is right. There are a lot of good deals there on Saturday afternoon. I mean, you know, don't hold out for the 80 titles, but if you're looking to pick up an EM for $400 or $500, you can usually do it.
    93:05
    So would you like to plug your game you're trying to sell, Levy? I'm not really trying to sell anything now because with the NYC PC coming up, also the fact that I just moved a Bon Voyage and Grand Prix for $4,500 means that I don't have to sell anything for another month or two. Holy crap. What do you have about that? That Grand Prix, they're going into a hotel downtown. I've been selling a lot of games. I've been friends with Levy for like eight years. I've never heard him say I'm not trying to sell a game. Well, I mean, I'm going to bring a couple of the NYC PC games to out in town to give them a little practice, and I will have outrageously high prices on them. I don't expect they'll sell, but you never know. you never know if somebody's really looking for a Dr. Dude or a Transformers LE there we go, more exclusive for the slam tilt is that the Rock Fantasy Transformers LE? no, he wouldn't sell we were dancing around for years and we were never able to consummate that but I am happy to say that I will be with Stephen Keeler of the world famous Rock Fantasy at the Bethel Woods Performing Arts Center on September 2nd, front row center for Deep Purple and Judas Priest. There's another scoop for you. Am I not in on that? $150. I'll PayPal you right now. $300, Greg. Hell, God. Wait, Deep Purple and Judas Priest are playing? Yeah, they sure are. So where? You're going to have to make a second trip. Oh, no. It's Bethel Woods Performing Arts Center in Woodstock, New York. Steve Keeler, the world famous rock fantasy, will be there along with me. That's going to be fucking awesome. Keeler, you may know him as the question mark master champion in the default high score table at Iron Maiden. I've not seen the default high score table. Is that not in the game yet? It's the default high score table. So if anyone gets that mode, they're going to replace him.
    94:59
    I think Ron took it down. Yeah. Wow. Ron, since you got said, we're getting. Timmy, what you're saying is that Levy and Keeler are usually the best. well that's the whole point about default high score Greg yeah we want people to get high scores it doesn't make it any less cool to be on it you know that is pretty sweet and maybe one day Greg will find himself on a Stern default high score list yeah I don't think so maybe he'll find himself on a high score list I think the only list he'll be on is on America's Most Wanted I know this sounds cruel, but I've got to say... I'm all on my way. I've got to say, Greg is untrollable. It just slides right off his back. Really? I absolutely like him so much. Dang. You know what it is? I couldn't find myself on any of those high scores in Seattle because the games are set way too easy compared to... Yeah, you got bored. Yeah. Have you been mollycoddled players out there? No, no. I just have a memory of this really awesome place. It's an ice cream shop in Seattle that I was playing with Kevin and Ray when I was there. And I just watched Ray shaking the ball while it was in the Creature from the Black Lagoon toilet, getting his Creature letters, like shaking the machine back and forth, and just thinking, yeah, I tried to do that at Sunshine, buddy. Well, the good news about Sunshine, you hit that spinner once, it goes around like ten times. It's amazing. I don't know how he did that, frankly. It's pretty impressive, that Creature you got over there at Sunshine.
    96:33
    I will give props to Seattle, though. I was only there for two days. I think I'm going to do Seattle this year. I've been talking to North A a little bit. I was only there for two days, and every place I walked into had, like, eight games or more. They were all playing really well. They're all set on free play. Well, not always. It's like 50 cents, same thing. Yeah, right. How have they managed to keep the price of a game down to 50 cents there in the Northwest? Because the people that operate them, I guess they, I don't know, supplement their income somehow.
    97:03
    That ain't happening here. So, Bruce, you going to Allentown? Yes, I am, sir. Saturday. Are you bringing anything to sell? No. Are you going to buy anything? I have a meteor back glass I just picked up. Okay. Not sexy, but functional. That's good. I was going to pick up a blackjack, but I had to back out of it. You know, I was going to buy something, but a last action hero just fell in my lap, so I've got to go grab that. I've never played it before. I don't know if it's any good. Where's that? You know, sometimes you just can't say no. It's in Rochester. Okay. You know, most of the good deals are not inside. You guys need to get yourselves a website. You know, set up a company to sell pinball machines. People start just calling you. Crazy levy, baby. Crazy levy. So, Steph, are you going to Allentown?
    97:56
    Yeah. Are you going to buy anything, Steph? You've got to get a collection going now, right? I have a collection, but I don't have space for the collection. Welcome to the hobby.
    98:09
    Steph, I'm going to say this. I'm more than willing to babysit a game for you. What a guy. Oh, just go here.
    98:17
    You know what? I've been texting so many people trying to get them to come on. You have no idea. Steve Bowden has committed. Ray and I are going to be at an event. We're not going to be at Allentown, but we're going to be in Edmonton, Alberta. Is that correct, Craven? At Yagpin, it's a huge, huge tournament in Edmonton. So listen for that coming up the same weekend as Al-Town. Surprisingly close to Seattle. It was like only a two-hour flight for like $300. Mine's like four hours.
    98:46
    Wow. Yeah, it's closer to us. Hey, Raymond Davidson, the number one pinball player in the world. You've helped put on a big tournament before, right, over in Seattle? Yeah. Would you have any advice for the NYCPC as we begin our path to startup?
    99:05
    I mean, just listen to feedback, I guess, but don't, like, listen too hardly. Like, you have to know that. Well, most people have terrible ideas, right?
    99:16
    I'll say this. That's one thing I've learned on Pennside. The best thing you did was cap it. That was a smart move. Yeah, that kind of hurt. but, you know, it's our first year, and we want to, you know, next year we're probably going to be twice as big, you know, just a hunch. I would err towards making the games less bastardized than more, because I think a mistake people make all the time is bastardizing games too much. You know, if I were to say that, I would agree with you. Yeah, that's Josh and Papa. Everyone wants to be like them, so the games are all brutal to play. But, you know, as somebody who's not going to be playing in the tournament, And I understand the allure of keeping the lines moving and keeping the money coming in. Are you not playing in it? I'm going to play Prumming Classics, but I think I've got to leave myself free on Sunday for various duties that are going to accompany Championship Sunday. By the way, Greg was there. Certainly, Raymond was there. I was there. T-Sex was there as well. Levy, funniest I have ever heard in my life at the circuit finals. You were on fire, dude. Thanks, I appreciate that. I didn't think that was my best work, but, you know, we'll see if we can top it at the NYC PC. And also, you're going to be in the booth. You're going to have your own little booth doing interviews and stuff. Are you excited about that, Jeff? Oh, I thought I was like a boy in the bubble. You're just keeping me away from people.
    100:40
    No, we're going to immerse you. We've decided you're the man, so we're really looking forward to that. Well, as long as there's a pinball machine for when I'm playing in the finals, sure, no problem. Perfect. We'll have that, yes. I could see me and Teal's going well over in the broadcast booth for at least a little bit. No, we're going to put a list together with the Papa guys of possible commentary booth teams. And, you know, we need a big pool because you never know who's going to make it into the final four.
    101:12
    So we're really looking forward to going next level. Did Trento sign up? No, he didn't. You know, he told me he doesn't like a pop of format. Oh, finally. And I'm like, he doesn't comment.
    101:26
    Because it allows people who aren't, it allows people to not play well and still advance. That, incidentally, is the reason I love the pop of format.
    101:35
    But I guess for Trent, it just does not cut it. He's tired of losing stuff. What do you mean? What format would he like? He likes head-to-head. He likes the best of five or best of seven. He can just pound a single opponent into submission. that's obviously not time efficient though in his never ending lust for whoppers that has no end in sight a cool insatiable thirst for the blood of pinball players he uses the joy out of them he prefers to do that face to face rather than carry some scrubs the next round or lose to a scrub because of the pop format but I think next year he'll have no choice but to come when this event is such a major fucking boom. Thank you. So what do we think of the upcoming Allentown tournament, which they've changed the format of? How did they change the format? All right, so they took away classics. Both days are now designated to the major, to the main. But they kept it limited entry, which for me, I don't really know why they wouldn't want to just play. How limited? I think it's 24 entries total for your best eight games. All right. I got to say, you know, their previous, you had like eight entries, and the games were all crap. So whatever they do, it can't be anything but an improvement. I think 24 entries, you know, you can't qualify at 24 entries at Allentown. I mean, you know, what am I going to say? I mean, you had your best shot. 24 entries is a lot. It's going to be harder this year, dude. It's going to be harder. I don't think so. I think it'll be a lot harder.
    103:13
    It'll be easier because you'll have 24 entries. But the thing is going to be there's a lot more people with two days, so it's going to be harder.
    103:21
    I am not going to be number one seed for a second time. That's for damn sure. Who wants to be number one seed? Just, you know, qualify and live to flip another day.
    103:31
    I think with 24 entries, the cream will rise to the top. I'm sure we'd all love to see Unlimited. It makes no sense to me why you don't let people do that because, you know, the more money the better, right? But lines have always been a problem at Allentown, and games working properly has always been a problem at Allentown. So perhaps, you know, limiting a 24 is good business. I guess we'll find out. The good thing about the limited entry is we get to walk around, shop around for good pinball deals, possibly drink, and enjoy the awesome food market across the street where they've got some of the best beef jerky and some really good stuff. Yeah, it's a fun show. I will say a huge prop to Colin McAlpine. And Colin did a good job at Texas, and I got a new appreciation for limited entry, both as a player and as someone that just likes to have fun at these things. And I was able to compete in both tournaments, give all my time, and actually walk around, play the free play games, see the stuff, and talk to people. So that's actually different because we're not used to that. Most of the events we go to are pump and dump. And that's kind of a strain on the competitive aspect of pinball. of pinball is like I don't want to be in line and playing for three days straight even though I love competing I actually kind of enjoyed having a mixture of the two so if the lines are anything like I really feel like 24 entries I mean last year I didn't get all my entries in one o'clock and that was apparently too late you know in seven or six hours to put in a full slate of eight entries so I really wouldn't worry too much about the limit of 24 I think that's going to probably shake out Bruce why do you think it's going to be harder to qualify? Before you say that, hold on a second. I have to cut out. I want to thank you guys, and Stephanie, good to talk to you again. Thank you for having me on. I do have to bolt, but it's been a lot of fun, and I appreciate everyone. And don't forget, Path of Play Day this Saturday, too. Yes, we heard about it. Hey, guys, thanks very much for having me on. And Ron and Bruce, love Slam Tilt, love Slam Tilt. This has been your Pinball Pro Class. See you, Jeff. And thanks for leaving us with a genuine Canadian out.
    105:39
    That was perfect. So Bruce, tell me again why this is going to be harder for me to qualify this year. Well, it depends on how many people are in the pool to qualify. Is it going to be 16, 24 first? I'm sure it'll be 24, right? It's still going to be harder because you have two full days. If you get somebody that's hot in the beginning and then the problem is going to be we've seen this at Allentown every year, the log jam on Saturday. if you need one or two games. It's going to be hard to get on those games, so then you have to try a different game. It's just a real long game. Are they doing more games this year? I don't know. Less broken games. I've got to tell. There is more games in the main division. I don't know how many more, but I remember Corey Hulse, who's done a great job locally running events, and he's taken over with Nathaniel Gibson. No, not Nathaniel Gibson. Sorry, Jay Robinson. I think they added more games to the main, and the focus is going to be on the circuit. But I do think now that there's a second day with more entries, the lines won't be as bad because a one-day tournament compared to a two-day tournament, it should be a little bit less stressful on the line. Yeah, a lot of people are going to shoot their loads on Friday. Exactly. And you're not going to get – I don't think you're going to get – Is that kind of an in-ball dictionary term there? Shoot your loads. I plan on shooting most of my load on Friday and then leaving just a little left to squeeze out on Saturday. But I don't want to be in a position again where I'm eating entries, you know, and watching hopelessly as my chances to qualify disappear like a fart in the wind at the burrito joint over across the street in the farmer's market.
    107:25
    Does it change anything that there's a side tournament on Friday? There's a match play tournament on Friday. I don't know exactly how that's going to work. Yeah. At the same time. Top of the states. Interesting. Martin. Yes.
    107:40
    I wanted to make sure you're still involved. Hey, Martin. Well, Martin's going to win the tournament, and he's not even going to be there. That's how good Martin is. That's right. I've got to ask, who is Martin? Who is Martin? He's from Australia. He is from the Head to Head podcast. Oh, okay. I wasn't sure if it was the This Week in Pinball fella. I don't listen to podcasts. Even the ones I'm on. So, Martin, when you come out to Pinnberg, where do you want to eat? Because one meal is on me.
    108:12
    Well, is this the place where there's this secret sandwich shop that everyone keeps talking about? That is the place where the secret sandwich shop is, yes. So I've got to try that. You know, I love Tex-Mex food, and particularly in America, I find it's the best. So that, you would have me at that. Okay, the sub shop war. How about, do you like German food? Yes. Because we have the Hofbrauhaus. Yeah, sounds great. Who doesn't love sausage? Oh, my.
    108:49
    Cool. I am going to take you out to dinner one night, definitely. And so, how am I going to enjoy Pinnberg this year?
    108:57
    I know I'm going to. But how? What am I going to do? You're going to love your house balls on the Ems, trust me. Yeah. And you're going to be hanging out with the cool kids like us, so you're in. It's your mind. Is this your first Pinnberg? It is my first Pinnberg. I went to Puffer last year, and I've done two Indisks. Well, you're going to love it. Everybody loves Pinnberg. Yeah, everyone says it's the best. I think that InDisc is probably amongst the competitive American players widely considered the hardest circuit other than the majors in a lot of ways. So if you survive that and you saw what it was like, you're ready for it all. Yeah, I mean, I like the fact that no matter what, you still end up in some sort of division. So there is, you know, a fair amount of play. I don't want to sort of get out there and get knocked out in the first round. Right. Now they added an E division, but it has no prizes. Wait, really? Yeah, the E division exists only to get trophies. Trophies are good. Anti-sandbagging into D, I guess. Am I eligible? Yeah, as a B division top four player, you're locked into A despite your top 50 ranking. Yeah, so you still have division restrictions, yeah? Well, that's interesting. I'm out of the top 50. I'm in the top 50. Oh, so Raymond and Levy are the only A-restricted players in the podcast right now. You know, why is the challenging tournament pin fest that I always seem to grab some Whoppers and DK will kick in?
    110:28
    Oh, that's right. You won't be coming to Allentown this year, will you? I got three pin fests on my card. It's crazy. Jeff Teolis and I will be desperately scrapping our way into A to not deal with the shame of being stuck in B again. So, Tim, are you allowed to play in Pinnberg? Are you able to get any time off? I'm going to ask George. Okay.
    110:50
    There's this pinball tournament in my heart. Hey, Steph, did you not say that Gomez looks like Antonio Banderas recently? That wasn't me. That was Mrs. Pin. Mrs. Pin did a lot of pinball doppelgangers, and that might have been what you're talking about. Well, Steph, you're doing a podcast, right? Are you getting ready to launch this thing? Do you have something to plug? I'm procrastinating on editing it right now, yes. Oh, so it's recorded. It's in the can. Do you want me to edit it for you? Because Zero has been in the can for like three days.
    111:22
    No, I'll get it myself. I just have to actually motivate myself to do it. It's going to rock. I'm looking forward to it. And not get random calls at 10 p.m. Good size pinball podcast. Yeah, looking forward to it. Oh, thank you. She was probably editing the podcast when you called her, Bruce. Probably. I was actually finishing up an episode of Head to Heck because I'm ridiculously behind on my pinball podcast. Oh, come on. Oh, there's a new blog. Already procrastinating.
    111:53
    How can that happen? There's only about seven minutes of podcast every week to listen to. The world is dangerously starved for pinball podcasts. But I feel like everybody here is doing their part. I'm going to check them all out I've been wanting to do a commute podcast where on my drive to work I do something but I can't think of a good podcast name so it hasn't happened yet The Northwest Bone Collector The Bone Collector Podcast Yeah Nah, it's too obvious The World Under Glass The Pinball Podcast The Bottle of Tile Pinball Podcast Playing Iron Maiden today, I did hear that line, and I thought that was really cute. Good job, Tim. I don't know who put that in there, but... Wait, I didn't imagine that? No, Eddie or one of the other guys. When you start a game, the beast sometimes says, Welcome to my world, under glass. The first game I played, it said that, and I thought I was hallucinating. Oh, my God, Timmy. I think I got douche-killed. I mean if you really really want to go there you could always start Ketsuro's pinball podcast oh I didn't put that one in though by the way that was already in there my first show how about that light show though that light show rocks I'm really warming up to that game it's fun I played it a lot today number one on pin side it's number one on pin side classic medieval madness and attack from bars Just wait until Pirates comes out. Oh.
    113:36
    I have a question for Timmy, an actual question. I don't know if he can answer this. Has Brian Eddy actually started there yet?
    113:43
    Well, he was announced as we hired him. Does he have the best hair at CERN? Keith just got a haircut. He's looking pretty fresh right now. Oh.
    113:57
    But is Brian in his office? Is he there yet? I don't know what I'm supposed to say there, so I'm going to say nothing. Okay, good boy.
    114:06
    I will say that Attack from Mars has always been my favorite game, and there's nothing but good to come.
    114:13
    Controversial opinion, but, you know, I back it. That's a great game. Controversial indeed. It really is a good game, you know. They should make more like that. As a matter of fact, I love on Pinside how excited everybody was about more Attack from Mars or Return to Medieval Madness, as if this guy's taken 25 years off and this is what he's coming back to do. Yeah. But, you know... There already was a sequel to Attack from Mars. That's the funniest part, yeah. They want Revenge from Mars, too. What is everybody's opinion on this? I love the remake because it means there's more Attack from Mars that I get to play, and even though it plays differently, I still enjoy it very much. But I don't know how I feel about that large DMD screen. Like, I don't want that giant screen. Isn't that only on the LEs? Yeah, I mean, like, it's cool. The middle and the LEs. It's cool, but I prefer the standard size. It's overwhelming. Well, once you get used to having a small one, Greg, you really can't imagine having a bigger one. Oh.
    115:16
    Classy. I can't handle it. All the delayed flipper, the flipper speed being delayed really doesn't bother me. I don't know. I just wish they'd stop remaking games I own already.
    115:31
    Right. Doesn't help the resale value. Yeah, no, so, Levy, do you feel like the value of your very... I feel like I bought it. I feel like I bought that when the news was already out, so it didn't really matter that much. And I don't really care about that stuff so much. The remake's pretty cool. I mean, you know, it seems a little different, but maybe that's just because it's brand new. I don't know. That's just been gone over a million times, and, you know, there's nothing wrong with having more choices out there for people to buy. Martin, what's the breakdown in Australia in terms of the old versions of those amazing games compared to the remakes? Do you see a lot of the remakes clouding out the originals?
    116:12
    You know, probably these days you do. The strange thing about the Australian market is we don't really have a lot on site, so you don't really see that much out there anyway. and a lot of these classic games like Attack from Mars, you just don't even see up for sale that often and when you do, they're just in crazy prices, you know, $13,000, $14,000 Australian. Like 10,000 American, was it? Yeah, probably about 10 or 11 even but even older machines, older machines are worse. They very rarely come out and, you know, a banger of an EM would go for $3,000 these days. Yeah, that's what I like to hear. For something you guys would pay $500 for.
    117:01
    Well, I guess that's not so good for you guys, but at least the EMs are getting a little respect. Well, they are, but you just don't see them, right? Well, that's a great question. What's everybody's favorite EM? Central. Oh, no, sorry.
    117:15
    I thought you were going solid state. Grand Prix. Grand Prix? I don't know about that one. Mine's Mars Trek. Wait, I wanted to argue with him about Grand Prix for a little bit. Mars Trek. Everyone gets the same score in Mars Trek. Yeah. Mars Trek's a stupid fucking game. It's one of these games where it's just like, it's got a flipper up there for no reason, and it's like you're just kind of trying to get your bonus going. And it's got one of those weird rule sets that you saw in ballet games a lot where, like, every now and then the extra ball just lights up, and then you hit something else and it goes away. I don't know.
    117:50
    Argosy. That's a great thing. Now you're talking. We might have one of those at the New York City Pinball Championships.
    117:58
    I'm sitting about six feet away from one right now. It's the first game I ever bought. Great game. And it might be at the tournament. That's a great game. Because I live two blocks away from the hotel, and I might just have to drag it over there. That's a tournament game with some history to it. Yeah. I've got to fish all the porn and drugs out of it before I haul it over there, though.
    118:19
    So let's see. Used to be a killer game. Yes, wrong. 2001. Good game. Yeah, I prefer the out-of-ball variant. Better art and playing for more balls is more fun at home, I think.
    118:35
    Jeff? Jeff's gone. Jeff. That's right. Jeff likes Canada dry. She's never played an EM, apparently What? No, 300 Oh, that's a good game We might have one of those at the New York City Pinball Championships, it's in the mix We're getting all kinds of extra info here, this is excellent I have to say the game that I grew up on, which is Spirit of 76, their pioneer That 60,000 point boom, there's really nothing else like it in EM pinball The quad max bonus, yeah Super Jet. That's a pretty good game. I like that game. I just haven't played it in a long time. It's kind of not in my mind, but that's a fun game. I like Pioneer better. I like the artwork. It's got a big rocket on it. Yeah. Did Tim answer?
    119:27
    King of Diamonds. Final answer. Oh, shit. I think Tim just has this on mute as he's coding, I think, right now. There's changes made to the next certain game that we don't know about as we speak. Changes made Oh You mean talking about code? Yeah There's code That goes into the case You're coding as we speak That's not true I'm looking at Aztec pinball Because I'm probably going to say that answer So There it is Aztec Hot tip Hot tip's pretty good too Oh yeah Hot tip EM version Yep But it's a little dumber than Aztec Yeah It's Little Chief That's a good game Little Chief is good Big Brave is really good Big Brave yeah I like that one Big Brave that's a rock fantasy the world famous rock fantasy classic it's gone no as long as I've been a tournament director at rock fantasy that's been my tiebreaker game now I'm lost there's no way he sold it he pulled it off and put it inside pinbot or something like that to try to make more space for Iron Maiden god I hope I have no idea what the fuck he did with it I hope it's not in the bathroom with that twin win that's been there for 10 years Do you know that someday he's going to sell that game to somebody? They're going to have no idea it's been sitting in the rock. Oh, yeah, I've just had it in storage. It's been sitting in the bathroom for, like, ten years. Would you want a game that had been sitting in the rock fantasy bathroom for ten years?
    120:58
    Like, literally two feet away from the toilet? No, it's not two feet from the toilet. I mean, I... Or, like, three of hand dryers, like, pumping out fecal matter. matters, though. I mean, that thing's just got to be coated with a nice layer of splashback. Rock Fantasy doesn't have hand dryers. Yeah, even worse. People light their hands off on that twin wing. Oh, no.
    121:25
    Someone's going to buy it. That's a terrible game, too, twin wing. You should really just blow it out instead of forcing us to crap next to it.
    121:33
    I don't want to. He's like kind of a hoarder, this guy. I would not crap in that bathroom. The door doesn't lock. that makes me just remember that I usually post a guard to be honest with you I just recruit somebody like Ryan Estes come over and guard the door like crap next to that twin win I usually use the vacuum as a makeshift rock oh yeah that's right Sasha told me that one who told you that one? Sasha a long time rock fantasy employee so we're literally talking about the Rock Fantasy bathroom at this point. We sure are. Yeah.
    122:12
    Well, the legendary thing about the Rock Fantasy bathroom is no matter how many years they've been open, they've probably celebrated like 20-something years at this point, there's still not a lock on the door. I need to stop at Home Depot on my way there to the next tournament. He doesn't want a lock on the door. Those punk kids are going to be stealing his vintage wrestling posters out of that bathroom, so he can't allow it. Damn kids are masturbating in my bathroom.
    122:37
    I mean, as the big brave and twin winds of the world have left, and mostly new, I mean, he buys every fucking new Stern game. He is a Stern boy. Yeah. I hope you guys are like, I hope the Stern guys are doing something nice for the world of famous rock fantasy. They did. They put a name in it.
    122:59
    That's true. We made his favorite freaking band in the world into a sleep on machine. And then they put a name in the same game. Don't tell anybody this. This is between us. This is on the Internet, by the way. But when I was at the Judas Priest show with him in New Jersey last month, in a moment of heavy metal ecstasy, Stephen Keillor turned to me and he slurred, you're right, I got to admit it, priest is better than maiden. And that was the greatest moment of my life.
    123:33
    Wow. What about Sabbath? He's been to every Sabbath show with us. Priest was number one in heavy metal. Now and forever. You got another thing coming. Yeah, that's right. Very good.
    123:48
    Port Martin's like, what's going on? What the fuck did I get myself into? Who is Judas Priest? What are you talking about? I know both those bands. Boom! So who's better, Judas Priest or Iron Maid? Look, I'm not going to say who's better because I think that's very subjective, but I listen to Iron Maiden a lot more than I listen to Judas Priest, but I was into both of them. That's fine. You know, everyone's entitled to their opinion. That's right. I've been listening to nothing but Iron Maiden for the past three months. As a guy who doesn't really like music, Tim, what's it like being force-fed these bands as you work on these games? Like, do you get an appreciation for them? Do they just kind of become back-and-on noise for the work? or do you actively detest it? The greatest thing about working on an Iron Maiden game is that their songs are average about 12 minutes long, so they're always different when you're listening. You're not getting Lick It Up syndrome. You're getting Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner.
    124:55
    Yeah, it's a good song because there's a lot of parts of it. I know. You're involved three of that game by the time the bass kicks in.
    125:04
    All one and two is just bells calling, and then, like, finally, you know, you get to the chorus, and then multiball starts, and the troopers coming at you. Do you like how the rhyme of the Ancient Mariner mode is the nod to the SOG lyrics, where you're the captain, Captain Eddie, shooting down the albatross to wear around your neck?
    125:23
    Yeah. More storm rages. Very good theme integration. It was all based on the lyrics. Marty's getting all this now because he's getting an LE.
    125:33
    Marty, what's up? This is true. I want to play the premium. Do we know much about it? Apparently, in about 24 hours, we should know more. No, we were supposed to know today. Somebody told us today. Who told us what was going to happen today? The gold standard missed the mark. What a surprise. I thought he said it was going to be tomorrow. No, he said today. It's tomorrow in Australia. I'm very keen people have been asking me what would be really disappointing I don't really care particularly the side art we've all been told obviously Tom Sox and you can't say anything but everyone's saying it's going to be the Spitfire playing with Eddie inside it but I don't care about the cabinet art that doesn't really bother me as long as the playfield art looks great I'm happy Do Elliot's have different playfield art?
    126:28
    Well We were told Yes and no When we asked Zach when he was on his head And I quote TBD To be determined To be discussed To be disclosed I heard there's going to be a sarcophagus on it Well there is a sarcophagus We know there's a different ramp I added Steve Bounds. I see his face on the call, but I don't know if he can hear us. I can hear you. Hey, Steve Bounds. Here we go. How's it going? I was just waiting to, you know, insert myself in the conversation. Yeah, insert yourself right in there, baby. All right. Welcome to the job. There's so many more Whoppers in this podcast right now. I'm looking at him. I'm seeing Banjo-Kazooie. I'm seeing what's going on. This is it. We have. What happened? We have. Steve Bounds. We have Levy. We have Greg Pavarelli. We have Tim Sexton. We have Steph, the pinball princess. We have Marty from Head to Head Podcast. All on. Raymond Davidson. And Raymond Davidson, the number one player in the world. Congratulations, by the way. And the ghost of Ryan T. and Jeff Teolis. Yeah, they were on before. We were on previously. We're breaking records.
    127:50
    And we're all talking about how great Iron Maiden is. What do you think, Steve? Yeah, well, I haven't only seen it on video. It looks fantastic. I don't care much at all about Iron Maiden's music, but I do now. I mean, for whatever that's worth.
    128:06
    Well, Steve, you can come to Pioneers and check it out. You can go to Sunshine Launch and maybe even... Or you can come to the New York City Pinball Championships. I could do that, too.
    128:18
    You're coming to that thing, right, Steve? Yeah, I'm on. Nice. I'm actually going to go out here on a limb and say I think Steve Bowden is going to be in the final four of the New York City Pinball Championships. As long as they don't screw it up. You think they did a tournament on the East Coast?
    128:32
    Yeah, exactly. He's going down to Virginia and stealing some Whoppers there and bringing those back, you know. I have a habit of that. Carpet bagging. Yeah.
    128:46
    It's still worth the save. They still count. So, you know, popping a 40 bomb down there is the same. So it works out. I recently got asked by Jeff Parsons how I styled my play style, and I said by losing to Steve Bowden, I tried to copy him unsuccessfully. Nice. That's my ability.
    129:07
    Yeah, Steve, I feel like a lot more people, you're going to have a lot more company, a lot of Yankee company to that tournament next time around. I don't even know what a treasure trove of southern fried whoppers it is. It's right there. I mean, I wonder what happened. I mean, I figured there would be a lot of people there, but 76, 77, of which 70 were raided. So, you know. Jesus. Where was the tournament? Which part of the world? Southern Virginia? No, this was northern. This was the Maryland area. This was. Unbelievable. Wasn't that during nationals? I think so. But, yeah, but that tournament just inhaled all the pinholics crews. Like, the pinholics scene down there is really coming up. So. It is. You know, each of those scenes down there is taking the Pentholics crew and just adding it to it. So you're seeing like 60, 70, 60, you know, and then enough beer to satisfy everybody somehow and food. So you got them all drunk is what you're saying. What? Yeah. I didn't. You stole their whoppers. They did it to themselves. And then, you know, and then the people who weren't as, the people who didn't have as much beer were in the finals. And then we all sold it on Paragon. It was me barely surviving against Austin Mackett. You know, he came in second. And, yeah, that was it. Was that at Kevin's place? No, no, it wasn't. It was my first time there. It was my first time there, and he had like 20 games that were working there. And the lineup was like EMs all the way up to modern. Nice. How many beers did you have, Steve? them? Three beers. Three strategically placed beers. Nice.
    130:50
    So, yeah. Enough to get rid of any tension, but not too much to miss shots. Will you be drinking at the New York City Pinball Championship? We're going to have a bar up there on Saturday and Sunday. If it's available, yeah. Why not?
    131:07
    It'll be my birthday, so I have to do it. Oh! 18th. Friday. Everyone's going to be buying Steve drinks.
    131:18
    Does that mean I have to, like, stay at the hotel now? I'm trying to save that money. Steve, no, if you make it to the end of the pre-tournament, it'll be your birthday that night. Right, yeah, that's true. At Modern, it's probably going to last until all the way to Friday morning, like 1 a.m., because we're sick like that. We're not trying to talk about that. Okay. We're trying to focus on the whoppers, not the time dedication. Well, time dedication is what gets the whoppers flowing. You know, sometimes you've got to get those finals in with four games in order to get it to work. Yeah, so, Raymond, it's not the same for us in Seattle. To get more than 30 people at a tournament, we really have to bust our butt. You guys just get, like, every week. They get that osmosis. See, that's just like me at eight on the break, Greg, you know. Why don't we have more? You in New York, you get that osmosis. The secret is you've got to start events at, like, 9 p.m. so that traffic is gone and people can get places. There is no traffic at the break. Okay. So, Ray, you live in the hub of pinball in the sense, like, New York City and Chicago and California and everywhere else compares. But in Seattle, it just seemed like everywhere I went, there was people playing pinball. Bars had pinball machines. People were there playing. Like, how do you guys do it? It's just like literally everywhere I went, there's people playing. Every tournament you guys run, Chris Trim's running like six tournaments a week.
    132:46
    I think he attended, him and John Robinson, I think both were tied for averaging one tournament every other day or maybe one every three days. It was like 262 tournaments in a year or something. Yeah, I don't know how. I don't know, man. It just exploded over here. People just started, opened up more and more barcades and, yeah. it's a nice chatting with you guys I gotta split I might actually listen to this podcast and we support Neverbeast for those this has been episode 88 Crazy Levees Podcast hope you enjoyed it I gotta say first I went over Keeler on Judas Priest and then I went over Slamtail to New York York City I so excited I won Slam Tilt I won it It great Not everything a competition lovey Boo!
    133:43
    Good night. I've also got to go, guys. Now that I'm on this podcast, does this also mean that each one of you can be considered my ringer? Yes. I'm open to bidding. I'm honestly willing to take the highest bidder in terms of money, booze, specifically bourbon, whoppers, other types of favors. I'm an easy sell. I'm guessing as unethical as the committee is, they will consider everyone here guests on your show, even though it's not your show. What if we're all playing in Intergalactic? Yeah, I'm probably going to be busy with Intergalactic just because the weather. Well, it starts at like 9 a.m. on Sunday. Yeah, I go. Saturday night. Saturday 9 a.m. Is it Saturday? It's Saturday. I assume people like, you know, Ray and Steve Bowden and Tim and Levy will be busy, overly worn out from all the... I've been slowly, just barely making the final 40. Like, this last year I qualified by one point. It's been getting worse and worse, so I'm a little worried. well have less fighters with me the night before like you did last year yeah that might be a good idea well look out for me guys if you do bow out early come and check me up I'm being a ringer the team is going to win alright bye guys bye let's say that intergalactic is going to be a problem because I mean just think about the whoppers it offers we're all getting about 5 whoppers just talking about it right now I think it's better They're actually in trouble, aren't they? Because they don't bring more than 10% to the finals or something? Well, yeah, there's a special rule for the circuit.
    135:35
    Only for Pinberg, you can't have an event at the same location count towards the circuit because Intergalactic would be like fifth or fourth on the list for the most value, but you can't have it. No, no, I just mean for getting points at all. Doesn't it not follow the rules of only letting 10% qualify? Well, they had, well, they bring forward 40, and it was, like, under 400 last time, right? Yeah, so it's fine. That's fine. It was close to 400, yeah. So you figure if they clock over. Yeah, if it goes over 400, then they'll have to bring it up to probably. They'll have to max it. To the 44 or something. Yeah.
    136:11
    They'll just take it to 44 or something like that. Yep. It's a knockout, so they can just add people.
    136:17
    It really is. Don't work that out. It's cool to have that side tournament aspect to Pinberg, though, because, like, when you're done competing, it's like so hard to walk up to a game and play well when there's all these lines and then you just walk up in the game. The scores are super good. It's just like, it was like the highest level circuit event style qualifying. You can't expect to qualify at Intergalactic unless you crush it. So, Steve, you're playing at Allentown Ice Hill. Yep, certainly. I'm waiting for this different format that I'm seeing on there. So I was like, okay, that's 24 entries and not eight. Will we fit that in? I don't know. That's what I'm wondering. I don't know. I've always been a fan of the, quote, limited entries where the amount that they give you is actually almost impossible to use in the time given. Because it has the illusion of being limited when secretly being unlimited.
    137:12
    Well, last time it was eight. And even in the eight, you had to be there when it opened or else you wouldn't finish. Yep. I know I got there when it opened, and if you were there an hour late, you were done, because by the time it was the afternoon, it was 12 and 13 deep on Sutherspa, which was kicking butt as it's supposed to, but if they all were 12 and 13 deep. I don't think I've ever had to see a tournament with 13 people in line for something. Go to Texas Classics, and that'll handle that real fast. I didn't even try Classics, because I figured maybe I'll try Classics, but I figured, nope, next year I'm going to come in on Thursday night. so that I can maybe have a chance to do Classics. Steve, I literally got a massage while I waited for my turn in the Classics. I'm just that bad. I didn't even start. I was like, I don't get it. All the Classics was getting pretty bad there. There was, like, lines of, like, eight or nine. Right. Wow. Over 16 games, too. That's sick. Yeah, Stars was always the busiest line, but also the fastest moving, which we heard was going to be at NYCPC, an exclusive by Levin Amon. Stars will be in New York City Pinball Championships to some degree. Well, you need games like Starz to grind through the line. You know, you need that. You need the line grinder. Like Starz, like Future Starz. The one game in open bank that always is open. Like at Papa, they had a CSI that was always you could step right up if you wanted to spin the wheel. You're right. It's CSI.
    138:37
    Terrible. So now that Tim can't play, I mean, it's pretty much a guaranteed victory for you, right, Steve? No. That's great. No.
    138:46
    I'm just trying to get Tim to say something. Is he on? Is he still on? Has he muted us? He's the ghost of Tim.
    138:55
    The ghost of the pharaoh of the sarcophagus of the whatever. The sarcophagus of the pro and the premium. It's in the feature basic, so I can say that. Well, I will say all those extra features will be available on the LE at Sunshine Laundromat about one month or so from today. Yeah, but you won't be able to nudge it when you play it, though. Oh, boom. Boom.
    139:18
    Are you saying the tilts are very sensitive there? I'm just saying every time I go there, I get a reminder of where I am. Like I'll tilt when I make a normal move, and I'll say, oh, right, I forgot. I'm at Sunshine Laundromat. And then I know I can, now I know what I need to do, and then I'll do better. I implore Ray Day, if you have time, I know you're showing up late to the New York City Pinball Championships, so you might not have the time, but if you find yourself at Sunshine Launcher, Matt, I expect you to put up some GC scores, but you will find a new respect for, like, wow, why are the games set like this? You will find, no, you won't find a new respect. You'll be like, this is not how it's all supposed to be, and you'll storm out. That's what will happen. I don't think I respect a simple move of making a tilt-bop as tight as it will possibly go without hitting the outside of the ring. I wouldn't mind it if you could get re-played. they've just merged that too. The thing about Sunshine is, like, some of the games are playable, and some of the games are really unmovable, so, like, once you know what is what, then you have that advantage of, like, oh, I can't even make an edge, I'm just going to let it go down the middle, I'm not going to tilt. Then the other games, you can, and then it comes down to when and where you're going to make your moves, but at the same time, I'm not going to complain about all those A-list titles.
    140:35
    Yeah, I'll probably stop by. Is it close to downtown? No, I mean, it's like a cab ride. It's a cab ride, but I'll Uber you over there. We're not going to take business away from the New York City Pinball Championship. That's where you're going to want to be that weekend, especially with the upcoming announcements we have. I want to be fighting for my double buy or whatever. I don't know. You need to go to Katz's Deli, though. You have to go to Katz's Deli. Right. Food's fine.
    141:01
    Okay. Are we winding down? I'm getting tired. Not me. I just joined. No, I know. 24 hours of flammable. Let's do this. We're ready to go. Oh, God. I feel like we're just, like, in a room and we just put the mic down and everyone's just talking. Yeah, this is like one of those YouTube live streams I keep hearing about. You know, you just have all the heads right on the bottom. You know, maybe I should just take over and start episode, you know, whatever. C? A? Maybe I should just, you know, tag it. Tag it so it wasn't one of my episodes or something. You didn't hear that. We had a couple questions that you missed out on before you joined in. So, what's your favorite EM? Grand Prix. Alright, someone else gave that answer. Alright. What's your theme that you would love to see made on a pinball machine that isn't a rock band? Pressure lock, but it can't be done, apparently. You know, no whammies. What machine would you say is a bad theme that you would hate to see? A bad theme I would hate to see? That's pretty tough. I mean, because if the gameplay is well enough that I'm doing pretty much anything. Gameplay changes everything, so I don't know. We're talking theme. Just theme. What would you hate to say?
    142:10
    Hard to think of a bad theme because that wouldn't care. E.T. the video game, the pin. Oh. See? To find all the buried copies in the landfill. But they dug those up, didn't they? They did. It was real.
    142:31
    Touching on Andy Piros' question about games that could be themed on a more modern spectrum of music, what would be your band that would be not classic rock, that would be music-based? Could you think of one that would be pinball success?
    142:51
    Oh, something that would, well, if you're thinking of like the genre of Total Nugget Annihilation, something like that, I mean, you know, just get the whole Daft Punk catalog of Anna Maniguchi, you know, if anybody knows them. I love the chip tunes to that. I got another bad game. I have no words in it.
    143:11
    Billy Mitchell's Donkey Kong chip. Oh, my God. He went live at MGC saying that he was clear of all charges. He can prove it. He's clear of charges. And he played Iron Maiden. I saw him play it. He did? He didn't take a picture. Really? Okay. I had a little convo with him. He knows our games. You had a convo with him? Wow. Yeah, really. Wow, I think Tim's on the hipster conversations now. I said, hey, do you enjoy our games? He's like, yeah, I like it. I've been trying to convince my dad to get one for his shop, try to rotate between the last two games. What did you do, Star Wars or Guardians before this? I said, Guardians, then Star Wars. He's like, yeah, I was trying to get him to get all those games, but he just got Star Wars. See? Billy knows his stuff. There you go. Wow. He knows that's a cheat system. Yeah, yeah.
    144:07
    Emulate this. Oh. He got his scores on virtual pin name or whatever. Is that what it would be? That's a great article. Billy Mitchell achieved new high score on Pinball Machine and it's like a screenshot of a V pin name or something. Right.
    144:28
    With a thumbs up. Yeah. Thumbs up right in front of a VP cabs machine It's like wait That's not legit sir That's a hot sauce Back to the agenda What kind of repairs have you guys made this week We need a There's an agenda Wow Greg is the host Repairs I put a new magnet board in Metallica Oh I did that the other week Pretty easy It's easy, but it sucks buying it because mine was in the new numbers, so Stern wouldn't give me one. And Tim couldn't help you? I didn't ask him. I don't ask friends that kind of favor.
    145:11
    What kind of favor do you ask friends? Oh, my. For coming on the podcast. See? What else did I do for repairs?
    145:23
    I've broken three targets on Sea Witch. Oh, come on. Well, my flippers are too strong. Ask Ron. They are way too strong. But they're factory original flippers. Someone did something. Someone did something to the transformer, the power. Something's different there because they are way, way too strong. So I've broken three of the targets on the middle drop bank, replaced three of my spares.
    145:50
    What else did I repair here this week? Are your upper flippers, Do they have the resistors on them? They have resistors on them. Hmm. Do they work? Are the resistors actually resisting? Yeah, they do. Okay. Quicksilver had to fix the left flipper, and now I have to cut out the right flipper on the Quicksilver because it's bent. My shaft is bent on my right flipper.
    146:17
    Oh, my. What? My shaft is bent. I can't get it out of the flipper. What? How does this jam get like that? No, it's bent. I cannot get it out. Oh, my.
    146:33
    Okay. What else did I fix this week? I have to work on Spider-Man. The coil power for the eject out of the trough is too strong, and it hits the side wood rail and bounces back in.
    146:49
    That was supposed to be tonight's fix, but I got too busy at the bar. This you can hear. As you can hear. Silver Ball Saloon is thriving. Congratulations. It's doing good. Always use more. Don't forget, we're always here for your optimal employment. I love how it's reasonably close to me to visit. I mean, reasonably close is relative in my case because I'm crazy. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm not as crazy as you, but I'm up there. I agree. I'm going to announce something right now. Exclusive. You're going to hear exclusive. I've got to get the date up, make sure I have it right. I am putting in an IFPA tomorrow, June 30th. Boom.
    147:33
    12 hours of Rochester pinball. Yes. Nice. All right. Cool. Half a sanctum. And I have not thought of a name yet, but it might be stomping to the 12 hours, or 12 hours of stomping. But I still have not made a name up, but it's going to be June 30th. That is a definite. I'm locking that date in right now as we speak. Good. When did you say your tournament was, Bruce? June 30th. You realize that's Pintastic? Is it? Yep. Yes. I will be a Pintastic, so. Change the date. I'll be a Pintastic. Change the date. July 7th? You're just coming? Okay. I don't know if that's. There's nothing I have for July 7th. Okay. I'm going to look right now. I know the weekend before that is Pin Mania. Yes, I know. I didn't want to contest with that. It's not like you've ever gone to Pintastic or been in the finals of the tournament or anything, Bruce. Oh, boom. I have been in the finals. That's the joke. I'm closer to finals. I know. Wait, you brought Lyman to a best of three or something like that? Best of five. Five. And he beat you on the sick game of Creature where he got the super jackpot, but you played really well, right? Yep. He beat me. That's all I can, you know. And that's the kind of pinball excellence we can expect at the New York City Pinball Championship. It is. And that's the excellence we can expect at the New York City Pinball Championship. That's it today. And then there was the part where you were losing the levy. Like, what was it? I was losing the levy. Three to nothing? Yep. And I came back on Levy. You're losing Tim to it three hours.
    149:18
    I actually am going to sign off, but before I go, I've got one secret to reveal. Oh, man. Stern exclusive. The next thing covered from Stern Pinball is... Damn it. Golden Girls. Ellie.
    149:37
    It's going to sell out in 20 minutes. It's even faster than Iron Maiden. and Australia is going to get 50 thanks Tim for joining us here Tommy Soxton he's saying in chat right now crap internet died the internet died that's how he set the chat mess I wonder how he got the internet back so fast Ryan C you guys are still going question mark trying to set records I'm trying to bring up the rear, you know, like a relay. You know, you just pass them. This is like a podcast relay. Let's pass them a tie. Ron, random question. Did you ever figure out on Cheetah if your right drop target added bonus X?
    150:25
    I try not to mention it again because I don't like to say it when I'm wrong, but yes, it does. Whoa.
    150:32
    That means we're second, right? That's the second completion. These players just never forget anything. Yes, the second completion on. It adds to the bumps.
    150:42
    Yep. But I got the correct rounds in it now, so we're all happy. No more infinite collects. Boo. Oh.
    150:51
    Either the 7th or the 14th. I'm looking at it. There's nothing around there. All right. That's for stomping into 12 hours or whatever. 12 hours of stomp. I'll have to ask the boss to make sure it's okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, make sure Kathy knows. Yes, of course. I ain't stupid. Steve's like, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you got to check it now, you know. Oh, God, do I already get it. Checkpoints have to be made. Yeah, that was something that Ryan said earlier. He was like, you know what? I was envious of the New York City players because they didn't have to check in with their wives. I get it. Yeah, that is very cool. I do have to check in with my wife. She's just angrier by the time I check in because I'm drunk and playing table tennis. I realize you guys all have machines in your house. I don't have any machines anymore. I sold the Buck Rogers. Thank God. Smart man. I'm going to buy a game in Allentown. Levy's going to ship it back with me, hopefully. You better get there quick because you're going to have already been done before you get there. No, Steve, I actually have an opposite angle. We said this earlier in the podcast before you were on. My angle is you wait to the end, and then people that are desperate because their wife isn't okay with them bringing the game back knock off $200, $200 off their EM. All of a sudden, I have that game that I wanted at the price that I could afford. You can end up with the Buck Rogers again. No. I promise you not. That's funny. There's no more Buck Rogers in my future. I would love, I want a Spinner game. Meteor. Meteor, you know what? I got eliminated from the circuit final on Meteor, but after that I played it at a tournament just the other day, and I really love that game. There's so much stuff going on. You're one year too late, man. They had, like, what, four, five of them? Six of them. Like last year? Six, yeah. At where? At Allentown. They were everywhere. Oh, that's right. I remember hearing about that. On your pod? And they're cheap, generally, because they made so many of them. Okay, are you ready, guys? Ready? Are you ready? Oh, my God. Is this going to be the biggest one ever? Would I, or would I not buy that? Oh, my God. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, wait. Wait, wait, wait. I have so many tabs open, it's ridiculous. Jesus.
    153:10
    I always got a couple for you. Last week's was good. What's happening? Wait a minute. I'm on my cell phone. I don't know if I can do this. You can do it. We'll tell you what it is if you can't. Yeah. Ticket number. Ready?
    153:25
    613-016-8630. 5-2-9-0. Say it again. Sorry. 163. Oh, 163. That's not what you said the first time. You said 613 before.
    153:46
    163. Bruce-ism. That should be in the dictionary, Steve. You know that, don't you now? The Bruce-ism? Yes. Bruce-ism, yeah. But it's so widespread, you have to nail it down. You can't save anybody. Don't even try. You can't save anybody, so don't even try. Yeah, just have a list of them. Yeah, not even define it. Just say Bruce-isms and just have a list of them, like Yogi Berra's. Just have the list. That's the best explanation ever. Yeah, it would be a living document. It's like the Bruce-isms. It's like the Yogi Berra of pinball, and just list them all. That's what he is. Wow, this game looks like it is, like, I don't know. The picture is not really of good quality. All right, glass on, so points off. It is a scorpion. My first instinct is I would buy this, but maybe I need to look a little deeper.
    154:41
    Why would you say that? It's a scorpion? Well, the back glass is kind of a little hosed. It's not bad. Yeah. But the play field is very nice, but it's not booting. Oh, I didn't read.
    154:58
    It says never used it. Yeah. Everything is original. Very nice. Sold as is. But it's $300. Where does it say it doesn't boot? Well, you can tell by the lights lighting up, but no displays or no nothing. Oh, very, very astute of you. Very nice. Thank you very much.
    155:16
    So for $300, it's in Maryland. Would you or would you not buy this? $300? I'd buy a Scorpion. $300, you know.
    155:29
    I'd pay $300 for anything. It's a decent risk. It is. I'd buy this for $300. How much are the new boards now? We put a Rotten Dog in there or something. The Rotten Dog will work in this, and that's about $300. So you get a Scorpion for $750.
    155:45
    Okay. I mean, you could get lucky, too. I got my Meteor that I took home, and you had to kind of knock the head because the connectors were loose. and so maybe, you know, maybe it's just a loose connection.
    155:59
    Good. Anything's possible, but that's $300. So we'd buy that. We'd buy that. Would Ryan C buy it?
    156:07
    Ryan C'd buy anything. I'm telling the truth because, Bruce, I sent you, like, the Aussie version during the week. Have you done that yet? Oh, my God. Ryan C is back on the... Wait, have we been on for so long that it's another day in Australia already? Yes. It's another day later. How much money has begun from this podcast already, Ryan C., in the day that's passed in our time?
    156:33
    I make $50 from every time I mention Pinstadium Lions. So Pinstadium, Pinstadium, Pinstadium Lions. Nice.
    156:42
    So now we're on our next game. We're looking at a $300 Scorpion, and we would buy that. Yes. So we're on eBay right now, Ryan. So the next number is 263-609-919-576.
    157:02
    Oh. All right, Future Spa. Show me something here. Future Spa. Oh. That looks great. Barely anything on it. Future Spa has more ways to drain than there is to save the ball, and that's why I hate that game. There's more ways to drain it than shots to hit. Is that what you're trying to say?
    157:25
    This looks awesome. It looks nice. Really? Look at the back. Wow. It's got like a little flame next to it, too. What is happening? Am I being fooled by these pictures here? What is happening here? I'm just looking for... You're looking for the flaw, I guess. Yeah. There is none in this one. Ooh. 100% positive feedback from the seller. The back of the backlash seems shown. Buy it now. Where is this at? Maybe I'll just snap this off right now. Live on the internet, Raymond Davidson's buying a future spa. Connecticut. Exclusive. Meridian, Connecticut.
    158:02
    Okay, Ryan just sent us a link that I still can't figure out how to see in chat. Damn it. Oh, what? Was it porn? No. Well, maybe it is. I don't know. Oh, I can see the Ryan C. link. Oh, okay. Did you know there's a game called Bad Girls? You got it. Bad Girls Aussie Edition. Oh, yes, I saw this. The description says Bad Cats Pinball Machine by Gottlieb Project Pinball. Yeah, that's a good one, isn't it? What? What does that mean? What? Project Pinball? They're selling games?
    158:40
    And this is in Australian dollars as well, so it's 1,100 US dollars. Yeah. Wow. What is this game? It's like a reverse 8-Ball Deluxe. It is a reverse 8-Ball Deluxe. That's exactly what it is. It's multi-ball. I love 8-Ball Deluxe, so I'm all into the reverse 8-Ball Deluxe. This is a good game. 8-Ball Deluxe is probably one of my favorite solid states. Ryan, question for you. It says mostly, and it's spelled M-O-S-T-L-E-Y. Is that like an Australian spelling?
    159:10
    Yeah. A hundred percent. We make up our own names, you know. favorite and color, we spell differently as well. Alright, that's fine. I was just curious. Welcome to Australia. You buy vowels, apparently. Ryan, how does it feel to be the only guest that's ever entered a podcast, left a podcast, and re-entered a podcast in the history of... Who's that person who was just talking? Is that Crystal? That's Steph.
    159:38
    We've added more since you were last. Oh, we've added more. Oh, yeah, you haven't been here in a while. So we have Great Pavarelli, we have Raymond Davidson still we have Steph and we have Mr. Bowden I was waiting for Jeff Chiel to drop off the guy was a fucking asshole he's honestly unbearable I don't even know how we tolerated him for the time that he's here he pretends to be a bully to Josh and me and then he just continues to bully us both offline he's just the worst Canadian out there oh that's why he wanted But that's why he wanted to get the Canadian bit dropped off the Neverbeef announcement, because people are ashamed that he's Canadian. He's just not nice at all. Oh, man. And be sure to listen to me on Pinball Profile. You can find me at Google, Stitcher, or whatever. Google, yeah, Google. The best part about this is that, like, three hours into the shit show, I don't even think that he's going to even hear it. I think most people have already left the podcast at this point. Well, it's the beginning and the end. They'd be scanning through it. So if you don't want this to be heard, you're going to have to push some more.
    160:51
    Hey, Steve, as far as I'm concerned, as long as I've been a regular guest on the Slamtail podcast, I've said whatever I wanted. Okay. That is true. So, Bad Girls Project Machine. So would we buy this? No. No?
    161:08
    You could pick up a working one for like $900 in Allentown. Okay. But Ryan C. can't go to Allentown. I know. You need to go to Allentown, mate. The guy selling it is just, he gets container pins. So he goes to Europe and all these, you know, weird countries there, and he just gets whatever he can get, fixes whatever he can fix. And then if you're selling it as a project, it means it's pretty much beyond repair. Okay.
    161:35
    So are you ready for the next one, guys? Yeah. And gals. And gals, sorry. 292 527 603 248 So, we never said about the future spot. Would you buy that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'd buy that. What's the price on the future spot? $12.95. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah, I'd buy that. Why don't you buy it now, Greg? And just freaking pop it out. And then, because it's got barely any fade. You want a game that's good. Bruce, we've already said this like four times on the spot. I guess I mean this when I say this. I'm banking on getting lucky. And you know about getting lucky. Oh, my. No, no. You always go for the sure thing. No, no. At Allentown, I'm counting on. Go for the sure thing. I'm counting on a game that I don't even like, that I don't even want. This game, it looks like a pile of dirt. There might be a game underneath it. Which one? The one we're looking at right now? Yeah. Flash with the terrible play field. Yes. That's a terrible place to go if they didn't even bother to photograph.
    162:44
    You got it. There's like one greeny-ass photograph and that's it. Yep. There's a second slightly closer one which makes it look even worse. Yeah, yeah. I was referring to the second one. Oh. The first one. Oh, wow. What about it? I like how they took the glass off to take the... Oh, they didn't. Sorry. It's not that bad. What? It's such a clear, detailed picture too, right?
    163:09
    Yeah. Why does he hash cells so much? I was listening to Steve Ritchie's old podcast that he did like 10 years ago, and it was the first machine that he designed when he went to Williams. And Williams kind of rang him and convinced him to come over from Atari. And how many units did it sell? Like 20,000 units or something? Yeah, almost 20,000. Yep. That's just ridiculous. Like Adam's family. This is a Steve Ritchie story. This is Steve Ritchie for you. He comes to Williams. This is the first game he does. You know, he had two games at Atari. Atari, what, Airborne Avenger, and Superman, which wasn't out yet. So he designs this game, and he has Steve Kordek, if anyone knows who that is. He was a legendary pinball designer. He's like the founder of the standard flipper lab. Yeah. So he's at Williams, and he had him come over to look at it because he valued his opinion. Like, I hope Steve likes, I hope Kordek likes my machine. And he looked at it, and it's like, no, I really don't like it. So what does Steve Ritchie do? They screw him. I think it's perfect. I'm not changing anything. And then you have Flash.
    164:16
    And that's very Steve Ritchie right there. I can see him doing it. Screw him. I think it plays great.
    164:22
    And there you have Flash. A little of my pinball history lesson. But I don't know if I'd buy this. The cabinet doesn't look that good either. No, it's not. But there's 19,000 of these.
    164:35
    I'm out. No. Get her out. I might buy it just because it's so cheap, but I'd have to play it. If it doesn't play, like if it doesn't boot or play, then I'm totally out.
    164:47
    Yeah. I'm going to err on the side of no. No. Okay. One more then, guys. One more. Oh, it's broken. We're going to finish on a positive no. It's broken. It says the technician told me over the phone that it can be repaired, but I never seem to get around to working on it. Okay. One more. Last one.
    165:04
    292-356. 6-3-3-1-4-8. Toto Carter. That's not a pinball. It's designed by Eugene Jarvis, who did Firepower and F-14 Tomcat. So it's close. I'm loving the back door, guys. You're loving the back door, guys? That's special.
    165:37
    Oh, wow, that's a cool... What is that? It's like a piece of wood that is thrown there like, hey, let's get this to work real fast. And $800 at, sorry, the arcade market. The arcade market's booming lately. It is? It's all inside. Wow, that's cool. It has little wheels at the bottom of it. Or is that a dog? No, that's the Atari. Atari did that. Cool. Atari Midway, you know, did that. They helped you because they were tanks. This thing weighs like 375 pounds. It's like it's just in a random game store. I'm just looking at the backgrounds here. Yeah, it's funny, actually. It looks like a GameStop. It's got little candy cabs in the background. They have a lot of candy cabs. Yeah. It's Castle Video, Steve. Yeah, right. It looks like Castle Video. Yeah, it does. There's the window. Wait a minute. This is Castle Video. We miss Castle Video, all of us. Yeah. Well, wait a minute. It's called Video Game X. Where is it? It's in California. California, yeah. But I thought you'd like that on the end. So would you or would you not buy this? No.
    166:42
    No. So we found one that we would buy. We found out one we would buy would be the Future Spa. And that is a buy now or best offer. And don't forget, that is located in Connecticut. Only three hours from New York City. Drivable distance. There you go. There it is. Pick up your game. Get your Future Spa. I don't want a Future Spa. You don't want a Future Spa. Sorry. Not sorry. Hey, Ron, it's only two hours from you. No, I don't want a future spy either. I am in the market for a jackpot, however.
    167:18
    Oh, man. Well, on that note, I know I have to go to work tomorrow. Wait, wait, wait. Before we go, before we go, wait, wait, wait. I know you've probably talked about this, but hey Steph where's the episode it's in audacity not being edited because I'm in my laundry room recording so I don't bother my entire family dang it we need the episode I know we're all waiting on it where's the show come on I can do a Friday night binge edit session we need the show come on I need you to come out with your episode because I have things to say, and that's all I'll say. Ooh. All right. But I need you to come out with your episode. Okay. Ron, have me see which audio so I can get it out. No pressure. No pressure, but we need to sort. I'm just trying to calculate how I can edit it when the rest of my week is pinball, pinball, blank night, pinball. Oh, okay. Well, you know, priorities, of course. Oh, yeah. Exactly. There you go. Never mind. I fully understand. Welcome to the addiction that's never going to go away. I fully understand now. That's okay. Ron, I'm just going to casually start editing my podcast at the Catskill Classic.
    168:48
    There you go. So what time is it for Ryan C? He's the only left Australian. It's 2 p.m. I'm jumping on the train in 10 minutes to head to the MCG. And there will be 95,000 people there. 95,000 people in the same stadium. Oh, wow. It's pretty much, besides the grand finals, the biggest football event of the year. It's a public holiday, Anzac Day, and my team is lucky enough to play in it every year. Is this Australian Rules Football? Yeah. Oh, I love Australian Rules Football. It's the best, mate. It's the best. The meat pies. It's none of them, mate. It's our own foot. The goal judges don't wear the white suit things anymore. No, they do not. That pisses me off. Yeah, yeah. Why did they start doing that? Everyone called them white maggots, so now they can't call them white maggots anymore. White maggots. Wow. Okay. Ow. It's bad. It's not the sport that you bring your kids to. It's like these people are savages there. I'll take some video, guys. No. Oh, God. Excellent.
    169:54
    All right. I'm going to head off. Good night. Peace. Goodbye, Ryan. Bye. And Greg has moved 20 feet away from his mic at some point. I hope I'm coming in clear because I'm trying to gain so my gain is nice there's no feedback there's no noise I can just basically use this setting in the future another podcast very good thank you on this orgy of a clusterfuck podcast Ryan got the props for being the second goodbye orgy of a clusterfuck being the new episode title this is like thunder though No. This is like the reverse Thunderdome. How many people have been on this podcast this way? I've lost count. I'm calling this Clusterbuck the Guests Take Over. Right, right. So that's perfect. Or reverse Thunderdome. Oh, Ron. Yes? Did you read the mail ball back by any chance? No, we did not get to that. Let's get back to it. No. It will take too long. The one email we got, we have an email that beat yours. Well, she knows that. I know. Why do you think I kept mine short? Yeah. Oh, my God. I told him to do it. I didn't realize he would make it that long. Oh, my God. We will get to that next week. We will get to that. We're going to keep it a complete mystery. There was nothing there that was totally time-sensitive, which is good. Hi, Zach. Hi, Steve Bowden. Right. Hey.
    171:21
    So I have another week to write 1,600 words to match him. Cool. Yes. All right. Ah, see. So the next episode will be the all-mail bag. All mailbag. I love mailbag. The mailbag takes over. Hey, if you want a different style podcast, this is it. You just have to be the pinball throwdown. The pinball throwdown. Everybody just comes in and leaves. Everyone just comes in. Yeah, everybody just comes in and leaves, whatever. There's no agenda. Nobody knows what anybody's talking about. Right. We just want to say what's on our mind. If only we were all drunk. That sounds like a great idea. Wouldn't you all say? Yes, of course it is. I wonder. Okay. Three hours and 15 minutes. Never can you convince me of the gold standard, though. No, but I wouldn't be aiming for that. No, never. What do you think? We're going for an all-time record. I think we are. We are. We're already close. I hope so. We're still competitive. We're still competitive by, like, five or six people. I mean, time. We're on three hours.
    172:19
    We're on three hours. We're on, like, this flippin' podcast territory. We're, like, three hours. This is very much this flippin' podcast territory. I am tired. Oh, and before I forget, Bruceisms is capital B-R-U-C-E-I-S-M-S, yes? Yes, yes. So can we collect them into a book that says the annals, A-N-N-A-L-S, of Bruceisms and then cross out one of the ends so that it's the annals of Bruceisms? Oh, yeah. Oh, this will be a living document. Yeah, it's like the list of pinball excuses that I have on my site that rarely gets used, but it's there. So every time I find another excuse, I just add it and don't say anything. So it's up to like 100 or whatever. Nice. That reminds me, I still haven't added my proposal for a neologism to the New Pindle Dictionary, have I? Sorry. Please do that, because that's the one I'm looking at. I know I'm lurking on my own topic on Tilt Forums, but that's kind of where I'm kind of trying, passing that off as the catch-all for all the places to discuss the new words and things. so that I'm not the... I was going to write into head-to-head for it because that was where I got the idea. I'll be back in two minutes. I may have to give it to you directly. We should just hang up so when Bruce comes back, there's no one here.
    173:40
    No, let's not abandon Bruce. Rayday, you're still on the call. Where are the catchy phrases that no one's heard of in the Seattle scene? Like, is there a pinball dictionary add-in for Seattle that we don't know about? uh Kaylee came up with the drangle like when the ball comes at an angle and somehow goes down the middle and you're not quite sure like how it's like oh yeah it had the perfect drangle the perfect oh yeah like the perfect parabola that you see yeah no that's rainbow the parabola I got that one yeah drangle I got yeah it's like it's a straight down the middle drain but it's not like straight down the middle it's like at an angle and you're not quite sure how it drained, but it kind of... You closed it. You guys never have a second and it was gone. Oh, okay. See, the one I'm sorry is when it goes down the out lane and it just arcs for like what seems like 47 years. But yet you watch it. Slow death. Yeah, you watch it and you just watch it go with your mouth open and it just takes 11 hours and it still drains and it's gone and you figure, why didn't I do anything? But it's gone. It's like double chamber all the way. Yes, it is. What does it mean? It means your turn is over. That's what it means. It means game over. I'm waiting for Ron to go to bed, and then he'll wake up in five or six hours. Are you still recording? No.
    175:06
    Why would we end now? Let's do this again in two weeks. Because I have a job. Two weeks. What's in two weeks? Two weeks. Oh. Oh, episode 88, Godzilla vs. Hedorah. If you remember that far ago. Wait, this is episode 88? Episode 88. As in like two infinity symbols sent sideways? That's convenient. For the longest episode ever. Everything, actually. 88 miles an hour, and that's it. That's appropriate. But we didn't have 88 guests. Yeah, there you go. I don't like it. The crazy 88. Wait a minute. Isn't that from... Yeah. Yeah, it is. But thanks to all the guests that are still on. Thank you. Raymond is still on. This is amazing. Thank you to Steph. Steve, you were on the least amount of time. Sorry. Hey. Greg. Greg was on the most amount because he was the first to join. Right. Good job, Greg. Yeah. What's up, man? Legendary. Good job. And I have all of you on my contact list, though. we'll see you all next week no sponsors, no we gotta get out of here no no again truly thank you to everyone who was on, it's been insane I'm probably not going to split this is not going to be edited and it probably will have no summary, it'll just say just listen to the lunacy that craziness that is this episode, I'm not even going to try to put show notes in for this so Ron, just this is the Twippy Award winning episode oh, definitely, this is it this is the ultimate this is it, we've done it so, goodbye everyone Riptide Podcast is coming up soon look for it fun with bonus thank you Greg, thank you Waparelli say goodbye Bruce goodbye the Ukraine
    177:16
    Can you fool me? Can you fly? Oh my, my, oh my, my You can fool me if you try Oh my, my, oh my, my Guaranteed to keep you alive Oh my
    177:46
    Oh my.