Journalist Tool

Kineticist

  • HDashboard
  • IItems
  • ↓Ingest
  • SSources
  • KBeats
  • BBriefs
  • RIntel
  • QSearch
  • NName Review
  • +Health

v0.1.0

← Back to items

episode 18. 4 weeks until spring

The Spinner Is Lit Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 40m·analyzed·Feb 17, 2019
View original
Export .md

Analysis

claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 · $0.036

TL;DR

Budget pinball restoration tips and American Pinball game rumors.

Summary

The Spinner Is Lit Podcast episode 18 features a roundtable discussion on budget-friendly pinball machine restoration and repair techniques, with hosts Spencer Clingan, Marianne Rusty, Brian Kast, Dan, and Kendra sharing practical tips for improving game condition without expensive parts replacement. The episode includes brief speculation about American Pinball's upcoming titles (Robin Hood, Sherlock Holmes, Valkyries, Poker Run) based on recent copyright filings, and anecdotes about restoration projects including a Demolition Man machine ('Project Wesley Snipes') that will be restored cheaply over the next 90 days before Golden State Pinball Festival.

Key Claims

  • American Pinball has copyrights on four titles: Robin Hood Men in Tights, Valkyries, Sherlock Holmes, and Poker Run

    medium confidence · Spencer and Brian discuss rumored upcoming American Pinball games; Brian states 'They got the copyright... on four titles' but acknowledges uncertainty about licensing vs. copyright

  • Young Sherlock Holmes is a licensed property and early 80s-style artwork would suit a Valkyries pinball machine

    medium confidence · Spencer references Young Sherlock Holmes as a licensed film; discussion of Frank Franzetta-style artwork for Valkyries is speculative preference

  • Harbor Freight tumbler media should use crushed walnut shell from pet stores ($30 for 30 lbs) instead of Harbor Freight media

    high confidence · Brian and Dan provide specific sourcing guidance: 'Go to the pet store... crushed walnut... $30 for like 30 pounds'

  • Evaporust is expensive ($30/gallon) but reusable and effective for rust removal if monitored closely (check every couple hours, max 1 day soak)

    high confidence · Eric Neff (Cheddar) credited as 'high priest of the cult of evaporust'; Brian emphasizes caution: 'if you overdo it, it will etch it and ruin your leg'

  • Plastic sets cost $180-$200; LED strip lighting can be sourced for $15 for 30 feet from Amazon (5-volt strips) vs. $13 for 20-inch commercial strips

    high confidence · Specific pricing cited by multiple speakers; Dan reports sourcing 5V LED strips at negligible voltage difference (5V vs 6.3V) for pinball use

  • Cliffys (protective scoop devices) require a properly beveled and repaired scoop before installation to avoid bending

    high confidence · Brian describes personal experience: 'I beveled it like the original one was. And within short order around the bevel, the Cliffy got bent into the bevel. So I had to re-repair'

  • Project Cheap Demoman (Demolition Man restoration) aims to be field-ready by Golden State Pinball Festival in 90 days using minimal-cost repairs

    high confidence · Spencer outlines explicit plan: 'Project Demoman on the cheap... 90 days... until Golden State comes out'

Notable Quotes

  • “Tumble your leg bolts... run that thing through the tumbler for a couple days, and it comes out looking better than a new leg bolt.”

    Brian Kast @ early in restoration segment — Key technique for low-cost hardware restoration using Harbor Freight tumblers and crushed walnut pet media

  • “Don't replace what you can repair. You know, cleaners aren't expensive and you don't need to spend a lot of money.”

    Dan @ restoration philosophy segment — Core principle of budget restoration approach discussed throughout episode

  • “He has upped my game in shopping machines five-fold since I've started shopping games with him.”

    Spencer Clingan @ crediting Brian Kast — Recognition of Brian's mentorship on cost-effective restoration techniques

  • “The first thing to fixing a game cheap is to know Brian.”

    Spencer Clingan @ closing restoration section — Community acknowledgment of Brian Kast's expertise in low-cost machine rehabilitation

  • “Because there's a rumor that somebody was talking to Weird Al... Al was like, I'd love to have a pinball machine made after me.”

    Spencer Clingan @ news segment transition — Unverified rumor about potential Weird Al pinball machine; treated as speculation/misinformation by hosts

  • “They got the copyright... on four titles... Robin Hood Men in Tights, Valkyries, Sherlock Holmes, and Poker Run.”

    Brian @ American Pinball discussion — Reporting on American Pinball's IP strategy; conflates copyright with licensing, uncertainty flagged by hosts

  • “I think that's the winner of this bunch... Valkyrie... early 80s ballets... Frank Franzetta looking stuff.”

    Spencer Clingan @ American Pinball titles discussion — Aesthetic preference for Valkyries as most appealing of the four rumored titles

  • “LEDs are cost effective now. They last basically forever... they look great on an older game that might look a little bit shabby otherwise.”

Entities

Spencer ClinganpersonMarianne RustypersonBrian KastpersonDanpersonKendrapersonEric NeffpersonHenry NanyopersonCliffypersonAmerican PinballcompanyGolden State Pinball Festivalevent

Signals

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Extensive documentation of low-cost restoration methods including tumbler hardware restoration ($60 Harbor Freight tumbler + $30 crushed walnut media from pet stores), evaporust rust treatment ($30/gallon, reusable), ultrasonic cleaner cleaning, LED retrofitting ($15 for 30 feet of 5V strips vs. $13 for 20-inch commercial strips), and Novus plastic polishing as alternative to $180-200 plastic set replacement

    high · Multiple speakers provide specific pricing, product sourcing locations (Harbor Freight, pet stores, dollar stores, Amazon), and methodology for each restoration technique

  • ?

    product_concern: LED lighting reliability issues noted, particularly with difficult-to-access bulb locations underneath ramps (hour+ jobs to reach); speakers acknowledge LEDs can fail or become loose, requiring troubleshooting and wiggling to restore function

    high · Brian notes LEDs sometimes 'decide they don't want to work' and require physical troubleshooting; discussion of Creature from Black Lagoon pop bumper LED issues requiring ramp removal

  • ?

    design_innovation: Discovery and implementation of cheaper 5-volt LED strips (Amazon $15 for 30 feet) adapted for 6.3V pinball machines, negligible voltage difference allowing broader application in backbox and dark spot lighting; used extensively across multiple machines (Judge Dredd, Jurassic Park, Whirlwind, Whitewater, Tommy, Doctor Who, Guns N' Roses)

    high · Dan reports finding 5V strips at significant cost savings, installed successfully across multiple machines with voltage difference deemed 'negligible enough between five volts and 6.3'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Two-part epoxy method for scoop hole repair documented, with critical caution about bevel design: original beveled scoop repair can cause protective Cliffy devices to bend into the bevel, requiring re-repair with sharp edge instead

Transcript

groq_whisper · $0.302

0:00
You off to see the groundhog? Yes I am. You think it's going to be an early spring? I'm predicting March 21st.
0:30
Welcome to the Spinner's Lit Pinball Podcast. I'm your host, Spencer Clingan. Tonight's episode, episode 18, four weeks until spring. And we're officially legal. That's right. So we're back at the roundtable format again after a nice stormy night episode solo. With me is my lovely wife, Marianne Rusty. Hello. And with this, we'll go around the table. We have a new person with us tonight. We've been trying to get on the show for a while. We'll say hello. Hello. And we have Brian Kast. Hello. And Dan. Yo. And Kendra. Hello. All right. So we'll get right into it, guys. Dan had a great idea a couple of shows ago. That's a lie. I never have good ideas. I am a certifiable idiot. Who keeps buying games. where's the mustang gonna go the car at brian's house anyway genius okay so your idea was uh just talk about easy repairing and shop ideas to take a game and get it really playing good and sparkling on the cheap mill wax mill wax it's waxy that brian cass is a friend but it's good you're up dan are we launching right in i thought this would be more of a round table We don't have any pinball news or anything to discuss? I have a lot of pinball news to discuss. Why don't we start with the news and then move on? No, no, no. Screw you. You're on the spot. Dan is on the spot. Danny on the spot.
2:04
Dan's not used to pressure. Let's start out with something simple. Okay. The entire whole run. Okay. Let's talk. So here's the setup for this, right? I recently picked up a Demolition Man pinball, and I got it for a good price, right? But what I consistently find is that I spend a lot of money getting a game into shape, and then I end up selling it and losing a bunch of money on the shop job. I mean, even though it's super nice, you know, so I don't need to shop every game like I'm going to keep it. So my plan is to take this game and fix it up kind of on the cheap, you know, using stuff that either I have or stuff that like, you know, basic things that we can do that are inexpensive but high impact, right? Like, for example, Brian got me turned on to the wonderful world of tumbling hardware, right? Tumbling hardware, just the nuts, bolts, screws, whatever, makes a giant difference. I mean, when you look around that play field and you don't see all that tarnished old screws and rusty nuts and stuff like that. Leg bolts that look like they've been stripped out, you know, ten times. Well, and even if the leg bolt's perfectly good, you know, it gets that weird, crappy, like, patina on it. Right, you run that thing through the tumbler for a couple days, and it comes out looking better than a new leg bolt. It costs you. The cost of the tumbling machine. The cost of it. Well, I mean, you can't really talk about the cost of the tumbling machine once you've spread it over a bunch of jobs. No, I'm not saying buy it. But there's an initial cost. I'm not saying buy a tumbler to tumble your leg bolts, but. Harbor Freight, ladies and gentlemen. Harbor, what did yours cost you? Oh, crap, I don't know. That's, you know. 30 bucks? Oh, no. More than that, unfortunately. It was like 60. 60 with a coupon. Harbor Freight also has media. They do. No, no, you don't want to use Harbor Freight's media. No, don't use Harbor Freight media. You go to the pet store. Go to the pet store, yeah. You find the big, giant bag of media that's for the bird cages, cages, snakes, whatever. Snake vetting. It's crushed walnut. It's crushed walnut shell, and it's, what, 30 bucks for like 30 pounds. Well, they use the same sort of media for media blasting.

  • Titan rubbers perform better in extreme temperature environments (heat/cold) and last longer than standard rubbers

    high confidence · Speaker reports Titan rubbers on Gilligan's machine 'look brand new' after extended exposure to Sacramento garage temperature swings

    • Kendra or participant @ restoration components discussion — Case for LED conversion on vintage machines for cost and aesthetics

  • “Invest in a buffer. Go to Harbor Freight. Spend the $40, and it'll take your hardware... drastically different.”

    Brian or participant @ closing restoration tips — Final high-impact, low-cost tool recommendation for hardware restoration

  • “Project Wesley Snipes, come on down.”

    Spencer Clingan @ Demolition Man project naming — Playful reference to Wesley Snipes' tax evasion storyline for the Demolition Man restoration project

    • Texas Pinball Festival
    event
    Demolition Mangame
    Black Rosegame
    Judge Dreddgame
    Jurassic Parkgame
    Guns N' Rosesgame
    Whirlwindgame
    Whitewatergame
    Tommygame
    Doctor Whogame
    Gilligan's Islandgame
    Surf Jamgame
    Creature from the Black Lagoongame
    Octoberfestgame

    high · Brian describes personal experience on Guns N' Roses: 'I beveled it like the original one was. And within short order around the bevel, the Cliffy got bent into the bevel. So I had to re-repair'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Project Wesley Snipes (Demolition Man restoration) committed to 90-day completion for Golden State Pinball Festival, with cost tracking and periodic progress updates planned; represents low-cost restoration case study for community

    high · Spencer explicitly states plan to 'run a log' and 'keep a chart' documenting costs and progress over 90 days before Golden State event

  • ?

    product_strategy: Titan rubber material comparison across environmental conditions: performs significantly better in extreme temperature environments (heat/cold) vs. standard rubbers; tested over extended periods in Sacramento garage with temperature swings

    high · Speaker reports Gilligan's Island machine rubbers 'look brand new' after years in temperature-variable garage, contrasted with Whirlwind where minimal-use standard rubbers degraded

  • ?

    machine_intel: American Pinball has secured copyrights (hosts debate licensing vs. copyright) on four public domain/classic book IP titles: Robin Hood (Men in Tights variant), Valkyries, Sherlock Holmes (possibly Young Sherlock Holmes licensed film version), and Poker Run (motorcycle/racing theme)

    medium · Brian states 'They got the copyright... on four titles' but Spencer notes uncertainty; discussion suggests these are open public domain IPs allowing creative freedom vs. licensed properties

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Unverified rumor about Weird Al pinball machine deal with American Pinball, mentioned by Spencer as hearsay from Facebook/Pinside without confirmation; hosts dismiss it as misinformation

    low · Spencer states 'I read it somewhere. I forget where. Like Facebook or something. Or it might have been Pinside' and American Pinball rumors immediately follow, suggesting conflation or misinformation

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Chrome plating/re-chroming for worn handles is primary aesthetic challenge for Demolition Man project, estimated at $200+ through specialty pinball shops but potentially cheaper through local chrome plating shops; handles functionally viable but cosmetically degraded from use wear past plating

    high · Spencer notes 'The biggest challenge is going to be to get the handles re-chromed for an affordable price... legitimately $200' and plans to shop around local chrome shops for better rates

  • ?

    community_signal: Strong emphasis on community knowledge-sharing for restoration; Brian Kast positioned as expert mentor who 'upped game five-fold'; speakers recommend consulting friends, tutorial videos, fellow collectors, and community resources; repair parties with food/social element normalized

    high · Multiple references to asking 'fellow collectors', 'getting tutorials', 'talk to your friends', and description of repair parties with burgers and beer as social/knowledge-sharing events

  • ?

    product_concern: Community divided on incandescent vs. LED lighting preferences; some collectors insist on incandescent for vintage/EM machines for nostalgia and warmth; others pragmatically use LEDs for inaccessible bulb locations (hour+ ramp removal jobs) and long-term reliability

    high · Discussion of incandescent-only preference on EM machines (Surf Jam example), contrasted with practical LED adoption in difficult-to-service locations like Guns N' Roses underneath ramps

    • 4:10
    Rather than sand, they're using wood. It's coarser when you tumble it, but yeah, same idea. It's coarser, but the stuff that pet stores is the same stuff, and it's cheaper.
    4:20
    Go to Harbor Freight. You get your Tumbler, and it's Harbor Freight, so expect it to break, but they're usually pretty good on the warranty, and they'll usually exchange it and no questions asked. Well, they'll exchange it within the warranty period, but the warranty is impossibly cheap. Well, I'm going to throw in a shout-out to our good buddy Cheddar, Eric Neff, and talk about the king of the cult, or he is the high priest of the cult of evaporest. If you don't know what evaporest is, it's a wonderful little product. So you get a gallon or so of the evaporest. You get some PVC tubing at your local hardware store. Put a cap on it, two caps. You dump this stuff in. You dump your legs in it. You can have nasty, rusty legs. You leave them in that stuff for, what, a day or two? You've got to be careful with it because if you overdo it, it will etch it and ruin your leg. You have to be careful with it. And that is important to note. Thank you, Brian. Right. Yeah, it's that kind of thing, right? So check this stuff every couple hours. I'd say probably leave it in for a day, but check it every couple hours. Depends on how rusty it is, yeah. Yeah, or just go to Pinside and look at the Cult of Evaporust. It does good work, and it will last for a long time because Evaporust isn't cheap. That's expensive stuff. You could reuse it over and over again. You could reuse it over and over, but it's still, it's like, what, $30 a gallon, I think? You guys have some sort of sonic cleaner that you guys use. Yeah, the Ultrasonic Cleaner. The Ultrasonic Cleaner is great. It's all the same theory. It's like the idea is that, first of all, what's your first instinct, right? buy new this, buy new that, buy new Star Post, buy all this stuff. Well, that gets expensive. And that can get expensive. Now, there are some things that are totally worth buying new, right? Well, a Star Post is only going to last you so long before it just disintegrates. There you go. As long as it's still in good shape, it can be a Star Post. But you can throw – A hand cleaner and a toothbrush, man. Ultrasonic cleaner. Ultrasonic cleaner, man. It's a miracle. It's a set it and forget it sort of thing. Like, it takes so much less time than you think, and when it comes out, like, the plastic looks, like, new. If it's pitted and damaged, it's not going to do anything. But if it's dirty, it's great.
    6:18
    Looks great. Saves you money. Nice, shiny hardware. Looks great. Saves you money. Novicing the plastics instead of replacing them if they're not broken. Like, oh, my gosh, man. How much is a plastic set these days? Like, $200? Yeah. If you're lucky.
    6:32
    I think, like, $180. It looks shiny and, like, brand new. Yeah, like, we shipped everything with just about $200 for the Black Rose plastic set. Yeah, and for the rare games, or even for the rare games where they don't have plastic sets, you're going to pay out through the nose. Oh, yeah. I think with the extra plastics I got for Gilligan's, and it was a handful of plastics, it was still like $60 for about three plastics. And I didn't have a choice because you couldn't find them. It depends on if you're willing to put in the work rather than just buying something brand new. If you're looking to do something on a budget and willing to put in, if you have more time than money and are willing to put in the work, You know, you can definitely clean up a set of plastics. But with Novus, with bringing up Novus, don't invest in crap. Okay, Novus is not overly expensive, but it ain't cheap either as far as, I mean, you know, because if you're looking at Novus in your random turtle wax, okay. You know, Novus. Well, Novus isn't wax to start with. Novus is a polish. Yeah. So don't lose track of what Novus is. I mean, but, you know, to kind of get on onto the subject of like, you know, how can I clean up my pin on the cheap? The first, you know, the first ingredient, I think everyone's going to agree, is a little manual labor. Right. Absolutely. Don't replace what you can repair.
    7:51
    You know, cleaners aren't expensive and you don't need to spend a lot of money. I mean, our favorite stuff is the, you know, the L.A.'s best cleaner from like the ninety nine cent store. L.A.'s totally awesome. L.A.'s awesome. LA Awesome, Mean Green works great. The cheaper stuff works good. It lasts a long time.
    8:13
    You would go to your dollar store, get the 90% isopropyl alcohol. That stuff is the best degreaser that I've ever used.
    8:22
    Microfiber cloths from Harbor Freight. I would much prefer just a good old cotton cloth. Microfiber cloths suck. Sandpaper, invest in some of that. They also melt if you try to clean your soldering tip on them. Don't ask how I know.
    8:40
    For like the metal ball guides, go buy a $6 flat wheel and attach that to your drill, and it will make it look like new in about a minute. It takes a lot less time than doing it by hand.
    8:51
    I suppose there's probably a laundry list of tools that would be involved in like dribbles and that sort of stuff. Yeah, Harbor Freight. magnet tool. The hardware-framed magnet tool is absolute crap. I'm sorry, Walt. I didn't mean to. I don't know. It's all right.
    9:10
    I'm not really sorry. A Dremel can be used for all kinds of different things. I mean, cutting precisely and polishing and grinding and all kinds of stuff. If you're working on ramps or trying to clean up a little bit of Bondo or wood filler when you're filling in a you know, a scoop hole or something like that. You know, I mean, you can use a drill for all, you know, lots of different jobs, you know, cleaning up a pinball machine, you know, polishing things, you know, cutting stuff up. I use mine all the time. As far as, like, for ramps goes, that got brought up. Flame polishing is a miracle thing. Flame polishing is genius. Flame polishing, you've got to be patient. Practice those shit ramps. And you've got to practice because it's not something you rush. You do it, the second you feel warmth, you stop until it cools down. Go do something else. and it works. You know, if you've got busted holes, go down to your local TAP Plastics, and they have a scrap bin. And nine times out of ten, for the small piece you need that for, they will give it to you for free instead of a buck. That's how I fixed Dan's Judge Dredd. They went down there and needed some scrap plastic. Two screws later, it looks great. I'm assuming it's still holding up. Looks fine to me. I've been perusing the scrap. Well, we did that repair on the first Judge Dredd. For the last 20 years. Yeah. From when it comes to, you know, putting together, you know, car stereo stuff or, you know, pinball machines. You know, there's all – tap plastics is a great place to pick up parts, and that's where you get your Novus unless you're buying it on Amazon. Novus is expensive through tap plastics. You can do it on Amazon. It's a lot of dollars. Or if you're going to find yourself at a local pinball show, that's a great place. Make yourself a parts list. You're going to save a ton of money on shipping. Or just shoplift it somewhere. You can save a lot of money. Now, I've heard Harley dealership carry it. Come on now. I thought you already told me that one. They do because of windshields. Oh, okay. I wonder what the price is like there. From a hard leadership, it's going to be as expensive as it could be. Yeah, it's going to be more than tap plastics. Get it through Amazon or some other place. That stuff's not cheap. But a whole bunch of – I think O'Reilly's has it now. I think I saw some there. Oh, nice. Or something similar. Okay. 99-Cent Store is great for things like Scotch-Brite pads, cleaner, the aforementioned cleaner, iceberg alcohol, Q-tips. All that stuff you can get at 99-Cent Store cheap. Absolutely. Because I burn through all that stuff when I do games. Q-tips are great for inserts, getting that crap out of there Stuff like that I spill alcohol on Q-tips, cleans them up great And you know, talk to your friends Maybe you know somebody who has a buffer you can borrow Or whatever Or you know a guy who can flame polish Or you know a guy who can repair a scoop hole Talk to your friends Most people out there can do that type of stuff And maybe they'll trade you work for a beer Or something like that Hey, make it a party, have like a repair party You know, we've done that and you put some dogs on the grill or burgers or order out pizza and buy sodas and beer. Well, and what's interesting, too, is like with scoop repair, right, which is something that totally had me freaked out. I watched some videos. You know, Brian came over. We used some of the two-part epoxy stuff, put the thing right together, did a little sanding. I mean, it's really not as bad as you think it's going to be. You know, you look to the machine, you're like, oh, man, I'm going to need a play field. and it takes surprisingly a short amount of time and a little care and you can fix what you have and make it work right and make it play well and then put a cliffy on it for protection. We're not on camera, but I appreciate what you did there. So just to that for the cliffy, cliffies, and he will tell you this, if you have a worn scoop pole, you need to repair it before that cliffy goes on. Cover it. Oh, yeah, because you just after you fix it. If you don't repair it before you put that Cliffy on that Cliffy, you're just going to get bent into shape. Right. I had my Guns N' Roses when I first did it. That was my first scoop repair I ever did. I beveled it like the original one was. And within short order around the bevel, the Cliffy got bent into the bevel. So I had to re-repair, and I had to leave that with a sharp edge. It's not factory, but I had to do it so I could use the Cliffy. And I'm going to support Cliffy and his stuff. He makes awesome stuff. I love him. He's a great product. He's a great guy. Speaking of things that are worth it to buy, Cliffy's. You do have to do the repair business. Awesome.
    13:24
    Cliffy's post rubbers are second to none. And they'll take even the nastiest game, but they'll make it look great. Not bad at all. Take a look at the little things that you have to replace, though, like rubbers, right? Buy good rubbers. Don't buy the cheap stuff. Buy some Titans. It's worth it. They play so much better, and they last so much longer. You know, LEDs, you know, a lot of people are like incandescence, incandescence, incandescence. You know what? LEDs are cost effective now. They last basically forever. They save heat and they look great on an older game that might look a little bit shabby otherwise because of the dim light. It makes the positives pop and the negatives are overwhelmed. They also run on lower voltage, so they're less of a strain on some of these older boards. Right. You know, LEDs are a good investment for sure. Just remember, guys, this is all kind of LEDs. That's all personal preference. I know people who still don't. Some people swear by it. They swear by incandescents and, hey, you know what? More power to them. I'm incandescent only, but on EM games only. Because it just, I don't know. And I know that you can get the LEDs that mimic incandescent bulbs, and I might someday try those. but there's something about that incandescent warmth on an EM machine like my beloved Surf Jam but that's where I go into my nostalgia phase and it's 1 o'clock I'm a 10 year old kid again playing at 7-11 at 1 o'clock in the morning in the summer with my old man how do we take your beater game and make it look nice on the cheap LEDs definitely must especially despite your disgusting elitism because there's some there's some areas where there's some bulbs where it's an hour and a half job to get to the damn thing those you put leds in like guns and roses underneath the ramps or a royal rumble uh they had a couple of uh bulbs underneath the ramps and it's like an hour to get that damn ramp off no you're right henry i'm i'm not harry i'm sorry spencer i'm doing henry i'm doing i'm doing my buddy's doctor who and he's very much i want incandescence in there. Shout out to Henry Nanyo. Hey. But I did make some executive decisions in areas where you get to those bulbs, you have to take out not only the ramps but the mini plate fields. And so it's just, nope, I'm putting LEDs back there because you're not going to want to get back there to get to those things. It's impossible. Well, plus then once you replace it with an LED, you don't have to worry about it going out in six months or a year. As long as you've got an LED. Hopefully. I've had LEDs go bad. Yeah. The dark side of LEDs is the fact that they don't go out, but sometimes they're just so goddamn fiddly. Yeah. You got to get in there with your finger and, like, wiggle them. And, you know, the worst thing is if you got – yeah, exactly. Hey, baby.
    16:15
    Just work this time. No, the funny thing about it is, like – wow. Wow. There is an offer made at the table, ladies and gentlemen. That was a conversation stopper. But, yeah, when you have, like, you know, underneath the ramps on, like, a creature from the Black Lagoon, and he got that nice LED pop bumper thing in there and it decides that it doesn't want to work. And you know goddamn well it's fine. You got to pull out three rounds. It's just like, oh. Right. Now, you just deal with it being dead? Yep. No. You fix it. You fix it, goddamn it. Another thing I've been doing for LED strips, I've gotten into those to add lights in certain spots. Okay. And I got tired. And comment makes great stuff, don't get me wrong. Yeah. But I got tired of paying like $13 for a 20-inch strip because I went through Amazon and I dug and I dug and I found them available in five volt strips. And the voltage is negligible enough between five volts and 6.3 where they will work for the games. So I put them in Dan's Judge Dredd. I put them in all my games and it was $15 for like 30 feet. Wow. And it works just as well. You're putting it in the back box, right? I put them in the back box on Judge Dredd, Jurassic Park, Whirlwind, Whitewater, Tommy, and I'm working on ones for Guns and Roses and my Doctor Who. I've also used them in Whirlwind where it was a dark spot, so I added strips in them. And I've got my money out of it. Yeah, and there will definitely be some going on the Demolition Man. So to bring this all around, the idea is that I'm going to run a log. I haven't really done much on this machine yet. We've set it up. We've played it. We've done basic cleaning. No new parts except for a back box latch. We had a shit ton of Taco Bell because that was the only thing available we were working on exactly only talk about in the future so the idea is that we're going to go through we're going to we're going to fix this thing up on the absolute cheapness we're going to keep up we're going to keep a chart and we're going to you know hopefully be able to talk about how inexpensive it was to take this being kind you know it's a player grade game and make it into a nice player it feels nice i mean the cabin is solid nice with a few dings and scratches here and there, but you know what? It's a re-import that has been well used. There's broken plastics. There's nowhere. The biggest challenge is going to be to get the handles re-chromed for an affordable price. That is going to be your biggest hurdle. That is an obstacle because getting that done is legitimately $200. I think it could be done for cheaper. We're going to find. Shop around at local shops. Exactly. Get a pile of parts together that need to be re-chromed or re-plated in some manner. And rather than somebody that specializes in re-chroming pinball parts, just go to your local chrome shop. The goal is legitimately to tackle everything that we can tackle as inexpensively as possible while getting the right result. And admittedly, those handles are purely aesthetic. They function 100% as they are right now, but if anybody knows what these demolition bands look like, you know, the handles get worn out from use. You get, like, big handprints on them. You wear past the plating that's on them down to the aluminum or whatever they're made out of underneath. So, yeah, you wear spots of them. So, Project Demoman on the cheap. Project Cheap Demoman. That's a great tip. We'll come up with a clever name, but we're going to come up with a lot of stuff. Great advice. And, I mean, we mentioned names of stores like Harbor Freight, Dollar Store. You know, all the listeners get the idea, man. A lot of this stuff can be sourced at Amazon really expensively. You know, and you can save a ton of money and get the desired effect. And get online, get tutorials, ask fellow collectors. They're out there. And they're going to do everybody's way. And, hey, let me throw out some props, right? But this goes out to Brian, who said the first thing to, you know, fixing a game cheap is to know Brian. He has upped my game in shopping machines five-fold since I've started shopping games with him. Legitimately, like, when we decided to work on my Judge Dredd, which we spent some money on. Like, it wasn't a cheap shop. I had some goals for it. We did some cool stuff to it. He showed me stuff that he does when he shops a game. that completely changed my game. And among those is number one, have the right tools, right? The flapper wheel. It's an amazing, amazing tool. The ultrasonic cleaner, definitely worth, you know, your 40 bucks or whatever it is. I think the ultrasonic was cheap. The tumbler was a little more expensive, but if you know how to shop at Harbor Freight, you'll save some money. Use, you know, you don't need to use the big expensive stuff. You know, remember it's only pinball, but you can get good results if you use some tools and take some time and don't be in a hurry and cut corners. So, yeah, we're going to talk more about this one. This one will come up periodically, and hopefully by the time that Golden State comes around. 90 days. 90 days until Golden State comes out. 90 days, we'll have that sucker ready to show. You know, Wesley Snipes is on money because of the IRS. Why don't we just call it the Wesley Snipes version? Exactly. There we go. Well, he's figured all that out by now, right? Well, he wants to do another Blade movie, so, you know. Blade 4, I Need Money or whatever it's called. Before I do that. Play for us. I love the Blade movies. Hey, real quick. Play for why is everyone talking about Black Panther? I was here first. Real quick before we leave this topic. Yeah.
    21:57
    And Dan may disagree with this. Invest in a buffer. Go to Harbor Freight. No, no. Buffers are great. Spend the $40, and it'll take your hardware. Even if you don't do much to it, the buffer will make it shiny, and it looks drastically different. No, it's so good. Yeah. You can see pre-buffer and post-buffer. Right. And the shininess makes a difference. Keep off every screw that went on the getaway. We still got to buff out the ramp return on Black Rose before we take it to the show. And I was laughing at him. I was like, it is not worth the trouble. So you heard it here first, folks. Black Rose will be it. That's right. You were giving me crap. I didn't give you crap. I just said you don't have to do that. Black Rose is back. Golden State Pinball Festival 1. You said you are doing that, and you didn't. Moving forward? Moving forward. Moving right along. So Project Wesley Snipes, come on down. And now we're going to get into a topic that Rusty and Kendra want to talk about. Now, I want to tell you, though, before we move this topic again, Rusty and I shopped out Black Rose together. We did it in the weekend together and had a blast doing it. Man, that's quick.
    23:02
    Yeah, we did kind of a – No, no, I'm like at a year on Henry's game. Yeah, well, I'm kind of – That's the other extreme. Get it clean. Get it clean, get everything working, and get that baby playing, man. It was like, you know. Exactly.
    23:15
    I need to airbrush it. I'm sorry. I'm the dollar store shop out guy. Well, and, like, let's remember there's a big difference between a shop out and a restoration. And to be fair, Brian takes a really long time on his shop out. Yeah, I know. You know, new rubbers. He ain't restoring crap. He just takes a long time. We pulled everything. We replaced it. We, you know, pulled everything off. No, it was great. Yeah. I like it. Black Rose. LEDs, fresh rubbers, which I'm going to do it again, but we're going to do Titans this time, new flipper bats, a couple of little things. Well, fresh Titans work great in areas like your game room and my garage because they don't break down because of heat.
    23:57
    My garage is great. I'm in Sacramento, and, yeah, it gets kind of cold here, and it gets hot in the summer, which is death on rubbers. Right. But those Titan ones, I've had them on the Gilligans. The Gilligans have been in that garage pretty much since I bought it, and they look brand new. On the flip side, the game before that I did was a Whirlwind, and that game's had very minimal play, and those rubbers need to be replaced. Yeah. We got the Black Rose. The rubbers haven't been on there for probably at least 25 years. Oh, those would have been a roast. They just turned it down. It was like, oh, look, vampire rubbers, honey.
    24:29
    And all of a sudden, Rusty turned into a vampire. Bah! So we're going to start talking about some of the news going on. If you haven't heard the news.
    24:40
    Oh, wait. Hold on. Here we go. There we go. These floors are dirty as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore. I got to get that when I'm here. That's what I need to add, right? Because there's a rumor that somebody was talking to Weird Al. I read it somewhere. I forget where. Like Facebook or something. Or it might have been Pinside. and then Al was like, I'd love to have a pinball machine made after me. So I like oh that be awesome That be awesome Would you just take monsters and put some Weird Al characters in box American Pinball who made Houdini we were talking about before showtime Is making Weird Al You heard it here first No. God.
    25:18
    All right. Let's spread some fucking room. Email Spencer at thespinnerslit.com. Email.com. That topic is brought to you by lies. Lies. Lies and alcohol. Lies and speech. Okay. So, I don't know. I'm out of the loop. So, what's going on with American Pinball? They're currently getting ready to release Octoberfest That game looks great It does look great, I can't wait to play It's been revised They got the copyright I don't know if it's licensing So they went after copyrights Copyrights on four titles Robin Hood Men in Tights, please Oh god, that would be so good Just sort of the generic Public domain Robin Hood So, Robin Hood Valkyries,
    26:07
    Sherlock Holmes, and Poker Run. I think Sherlock Holmes needs to be like the Mexican gangster version like Sherlock, hey Holmes. Because that'd be really fun. I'm going to throw one out there. With lots of cocaine. There we go. It is a license, it is a license, but if you've all seen back in the late 80s, I think, Young Sherlock Holmes. That movie was great. Fuck it, I love that movie. That movie is awesome. They did a wonderful job of showing what Sherlock Holmes and Watson might have been like as youngsters. Fantastic film. I put it right up there with just underneath the Indiana Jones films and Goonies. What about Young Indiana Jones? Young Indiana Jones. Let's leave the Crystal Skull out of this because I'm trying to watch that again. That was fucking garbage. Young Indiana Jones was better than the Kingdom of Crystal Skull. I keep watching. I made the toilet. Every time Christmas School comes on TV, I'll watch it again going, it's like onion rings. It has to get better. Hey, look, they nicked the fridge. They're onion rings. They have to get better. If you've ever been to Sonic, they put vanilla in the onion ring batter. Ew. Or breading. Here's what's funny, right? It doesn't seem like it would taste very good. No, it doesn't. And you keep eating them because they have to get better. They have to get better. Indiana Jones. It has to get better. It doesn't. So I'm out of the loop on this American Pinball stuff. Tell me about it. So these are just four potential games, right? Four potential games. They've got the copyrights to do the games. So they're basically all open IPs, so they can be very creative because they're working off the original books, like with Robin Hood and with Sherlock Holmes. Poker Run. Does everybody here know what a Poker Run is? Yes, and I think a Poker Run Pinball actually seems like it would be really cool. So is a Poker Run like a train that you run? No. So what a poker run is Three aces and one in the hole Wow How many in the snake? You guys just changed your demographic I would like to apologize To the listening audience And warn you this is not safe for work Yeah not safe for work Your kids are perfectly okay Unless they're our kids I did the rim shots We are all out of pucks to go Hey we should give the rim drops it wasn't me this time so what a poker run is it's a race that you take in some sort of vehicle usually like a motorcycle and there's five stops at each stop you get a poker card or you get a playing card and at the end of the race you want to see who has the best poker style hand and then there's usually some sort of prize Will's dad does quite a few poker runs it sounds like a lot of fun I think that would be a cool theme for a pinball But the one that I think everybody's looking past is Valkyrie. How cool. I mean, and I know I have pictures in my head of, like, these early 80s ballets, you know, with the awesome, you know, super intricate artwork, you know, the Frank Franzetta looking stuff. But for me, it's like I think that's the winner of this bunch. Sherlock Holmes should be cool. Everyone knows Sherlock Holmes. Everyone's got a picture in their head of what Sherlock Holmes should be. Robin Hood, okay. I mean, whatever. You're going to get people that are going to boop-boop the ideas, but just like Wizard of Oz, things like Sherlock Holmes, Robin Hood. Robin Hood is a timeless classic. Timeless classic. Thank you.
    29:36
    Sherlock Holmes. Sherlock Holmes could be. Which is beautiful. Robin Hood, it would be like making a Three Musketeers themed game. I mean, like, that is a fantastic story. How could you possibly go wrong with that? You better trademark that. Watch the Disney version, and you'll see why you can go wrong with it. Wait, is that the one with Kiefer? Because it's all for one. The only, I couldn't stand the movie. But anyways, so with Sherlock Holmes, you can go one of two directions. You can go the new one with Iron Man, Downey Jr. No, no, no. It's not based on license. It's all going to be generic, like the classical interpretation of Sherlock Holmes. See, that could be amazing. Because the old, I read those stories as a kid, and they're great. and you can go super adult with that and cover his, you know, a little bit of cocaine habit. Yeah. But that could be an amazing game. Like that could go along the lines of Houdini and be, for me, an amazing game. And for people like my dad, who's really into Houdini and like Sherlock Holmes and only has a pinball machine because he had one of mine for a while, that'd be a title where people who don't have pinball machines or into those licenses would buy in a heartbeat. But I can already hear everybody bitching because it's not Bandersnoop Cumberbund, you know? I mean, just – Baskin-Web Crapper Barrel has nothing to do with Sherlock Holmes. You know, he's – Well, except for that Sherlock show that he's been starring on for like 10 years. Phenomenally popular. You've probably heard of it. It is popular. And I like the show.
    31:06
    No. Oh. That's Charlie's Angels. No. That was another Sherlock show. Elementary. I remember elementary school. Okay, but I'm actually with Dan on this. I think Valkyries, that is, it's cool, it's original, it can piggyback on the Marvel Universe. To an extent, you can tie into the Thor thing. Well, you know, because they can. But that artwork would be mind-blowing if it got the right artist. You could play Wagner. Sure. Flight of the Valkyries. Yeah. If you can get the right. If you can get the right during multiball. But you have to get the rights to that. No, no, no. That's all public domain. Flight of the Valkyries, the music is not public domain. It absolutely isn't. Because it's like 200 years old. I don't believe it is because Warner Brothers had to get the rights for it to use in vacation. Oh, what about Apocalypse Now?
    31:57
    They had to get the rights for that? They don't have to get the rights for that. I believe they do. Well, neither one of us are copyright lawyers, so it's completely irrelevant. Let's find out what my cousin actually is. Okay, so. Call your cousin. Let's go wrestle for it. Oh, Ryan's going to lose like a champ. It's going to be awesome. Well, if we penis wrestle for it, you're already done for. Oh, maybe. Kendra, you just... I don't know. I bet mine's been getting more use lately.
    32:20
    I think Valkyrie... Look at how hairy my palm is. Okay, well, you got me there. See, I know. Straight face. That was awesome. I think Valkyrie could go really, really well or really, really bad. I think everything could go really bad. I mean, you know, it just depends on which angle they go at with it. You know, if they're going old school Valkyrie, you know, mythology-wise. Yeah. You don't want to get one of the old, like talking about old ballet artists like Dave Christensen. That was the first thing that popped into my mind. And with the, you know, with the, well, how am I trying to word this? Or even like Ferrez or something. You know, we've already killed family with, you know, with the big American or big. Breasts. Kiddies. You can say it's okay. Nico, my cousin. Question, if we go Valkyries, are there going to be any monkeys handling hot dogs or anything? I am going to bring up the monkeys because I heard this on another podcast, and I don't want to change the subject on this, but that the monkey has a meanie. Apparently. Yeah, it's a Houdini thing, right? Houdini believed that monkey testicles were a source of virility. Yes. and so that's why they have the monkey with the band-aid right well everybody at american pinball thought that that was so hilarious that the monkey kind of became an unofficial mascot right but of course the first time they tried to work it into a game everybody freaked the fuck out and they removed it you wouldn't know about this but what they did was they had the monkey and he was reaching up and grabbing a couple girls asses i remember yeah yeah okay and like the whole damn world lost their minds and American Pinball, to their credit, said, you know what? It's not worth fighting about. We're going to change it. Stop keeping the change of the yard. Fuck your feelings. I thank you. I think you should make a special edition. Translator backlash. Well, and you know what? I'm sure somebody will, but at the same time, it's like if a group of gamers is feeling like that's not appropriate, we have two choices, right? You flip him the bird and you say, don't buy our product, which doesn't work when you need to make money, or you say, you know what? It's fine to change it. Art's subjective. You know, let's go ahead and make the right decision in this case. What did we learn, honey? Riding the Valkyries is public domain. They lost their last copyright in 1978. Dear Brian, suck it. Copyright lawyer cousin is a non-existent person. I didn't ask him, but I was still right because Vacation was made before that. No, it wasn't. No, it was not. It was in production in 1977. No, it was not. That's where it started. You're high as a kite. Nope. The first story came from John Hughes and that was released before that. Wasn't it originally a national anthem? Yep. Called Vacation 55. That's right. But the movie was not in production in 1955. They didn't say that. Or 1977. That's when they first started writing it. They might have started writing it. Well, okay. Well, it was right. Production didn't start until, what, about 78? No, Vacation is not that old of a movie. Yeah, it is. So we were talking about which potential Robin Hood theme that they might use. No, they're not going to use any of them. Well, not Harold Flynn because he was a baby rapist and a Nazi.
    35:50
    They had Nazis back then? I think you would be honest with me. Oh, that. I thought you meant like Robin Hood. Oh, the Disney version would be awesome. Oh, a Disney Robin Hood pinball machine? Yeah, because Roger Miller, if I remember, I did the soundtrack for that. Not only narrated the whole movie, he was the rooster, but yeah, he did the soundtrack for it. Yeah, but trying to get copyrights out of Disney. No, no, you can do it. It's just expensive. Yeah, and I don't know that American Pinball has that kind of money yet. Well, that's one of their properties where they essentially ignored it because that movie was considered a failure.
    36:25
    I'm a big Disney fan. I go to the parks fairly regularly. I couldn't tell you the last time I saw a Robin Hood character in the park. Exactly. That might be one of the ones where they're just like, yeah, why not? Give us a couple bucks and we're good to go. That'd be great if they could, if they would.
    36:38
    But it's Disney and last I heard, you know. I think that that would be a better franchise than Robin Hood Minotites.
    36:47
    Okay, Vacation. Riding on the coattails of National Lampoon's Animal House. John Hughes wrote a short story called Vacation 58, which showed up in National Lampoon Magazine.
    37:09
    And that's where they got it. It showed up in September of 79. Sorry, two years off. And then they made it into a movie in 83. And they weren't licensing the music in 79. He wrote the story in 79. That's when it started. Vacation pinball. That would be good, too. They already made it, and it was terrible. But it was, yeah.
    37:30
    No, it was like that. Chicago Gaming. What was it? Chicago Gaming. Oh. The Vacation America. That's not the same thing. No, absolutely not the same thing. But if they made a vacation pinball based off of the 83 movie, it'd be awesome. And add the. They would have to make it. Add all of the movies. That'd be a great movie. She's dead. Just the first one. No. Just the first one. Did you see that? One of the modes in a vacation pinball would have to be get back the porno tape. What about sugar? From European vacation. Oh, yeah. You got to get back the porno tape. What was it? The soft push down. Oh, man.
    38:06
    Give me a word. I can translate it into French. Souple. Secured rights, too. Does that apply to American pinball? I know companies now are jumping ahead trying to get rights because of the whole Godzilla fiasco. Right. And of course there's always the untouchable Holy Grail of Harry Potter that no one's ever going to get. They file trademarks on those four like properties. I think if anybody could get trademarks or rights to Harry Potter it'd be Jersey Jack. No one's going to get it. No one's going to get it because Rowling's a bitch. It will happen. No, she's very protective of her property. And she's right. Have you seen the disgusting apps that they do for Harry Potter? Whatever. First of all, J.K. Rowling's is fake. She's a marketing invention. Second of all, she's in it for the money. Like Betty Crocker, she's not really real. That's my theory. I think that she's just like... But Duncan Hines is real. That's right. So is Mr. Peanut. I've seen him. And Chef Boyardee, he's both real and hardcore. Yeah. Don't fuck with his beefaroni. That ravioli is the business. It is legitimately the worst thing for you. It legitimately is on the top shelf, and I'm glad I can't reach it. so Valkyries is probably I think our number through our contest Valkyries number one yeah number two probably Sherlock Holmes but I mean all of them have merit do not underestimate how cool poker run could be or Robin Hood a mixture of driving which is a great thing for pinballs and cards which is a great thing for pinballs you could do a completely original based on the books Robin Hood have you know the characters that would just you know really bounce out you have you know a pretty May Marion or you can have another one for that matter I don't know As long as she's a vixen. There you go. And she got big hooters. Big hooters. No, no, that's offensive to people with small breasts.
    39:54
    I wouldn't know. I think that Robin Hood is the fourth. It's viable. I think Poker Run is good. I'm excited about Poker Run. They could all be amazing. And I think Oktoberfest proved that. Everyone's like, oh, crap, this game's going to suck. And then they released it. That game looks awesome. Well, they haven't released anything yet. They've shown it. And that game looks awesome. And they're supposed to show it again soon. There you go. So we can see the final version. And I think that, yeah, it looks – I've always kind of been like, though, Oktoberfest is a cool thing, right? Who doesn't like drinking beer? Who doesn't like drinking beer and beer mates? I mean, there's nothing wrong with those two things. As long as there's no monkeys involved, we're cool. All the girls show up.
    40:37
    Smoking. Yeah. Cigarettes. But you don't spank and smoke. Smoke cigarettes. Yeah. Whack. Okay. so I'm going to end on this note that I'm going to throw in. And I actually emailed Charlie at spooky pinball and not got a response because by now he probably thinks I'm crazy and or a stalker. He's right.
    40:55
    Yeah. And I had to just let Charlie know that Spencer was not a crazy stalker. He's just a fan boy. He's just fucking crazy.
    41:05
    I was just really happy, you know, that they came out to the show and they really did have a good time and it was awesome. Anyway, it would, you know, you would have came off a lot better if you would have kept your hands out of your pants.
    41:17
    There's that. At least one of them. Right, and I wasn't drinking excessively. Hey, man, crabs are itchy. I can do whatever I need to do. But my idea, everybody keeps coming up with all these ideas. They're trying to get all these. Okay, I'm going to throw this out. I don't care who hears it, who gets it. Just make it because it's going to be really cool.
    41:33
    For a pinball theme with the current full video display, why not Dragon's Lair? it can't be that expensive an IP to get you've got 90% of the video work already done you can use all that in modes in the game of course your final mode is to slay the dragon and rescue the princess that would be awesome see? what if the princess doesn't need rescuing? you know honestly did you just assume her safety? I don't care she's in another castle Did you see that the next one of those little retrocade machines is Dragon's Lair? I did, yeah.
    42:15
    Dragon's Lair would be awesome because that was, you know, for people who grew up in that era of the arcade with the Bluth game, the game was fucking impossible. It's still hard. Yeah. That would be an incredible pinball machine. You're right. The art's already done. It has a built-in fan base. And it'd be something where, you know. The story's already written. The story's written. And with the exception of some games, most of the screens I've seen on the games of the LCDs, like Deadpool, Iron Maiden, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, haven't been great. Now, I understand that it's still in the infancy of it. It's getting better. It's getting a little better. And that one would be awesome. See? The other title I think would be great, and this is, again, Tyson and Disney again, and they may be willing to do it because they've never done anything with it. They pretty much denied the movie exists, Black Cauldron. That was a dark Disney film and that would make a badass pinball machine. I was hoping he was going for a song of the saddest. Fantasia would be a great theme. We're going to build a pinball machine. A great pinball machine. It's the most beautiful one we've ever seen. And we're going to get the Mexicans to pay for it. There we go.
    43:23
    I got to give you credit, Spencer. That's not a bad idea. I've been kind of holding that back because every time I have a good idea and I talk about it, Can we say $3,500 TX sector? Yeah. You know, the thing is with the Dragon's Lair, that game is always, as you know, whoever has played it, very hard. Yeah. So you can make the pinball machine where you have the timed shots to, you know, to progress through the story. Right. You can have it easy, you know, 30 seconds. Right. Or you can go original style where you have, like, you know, two seconds to make the shot or you're dead. That would be an incredible game. Right. It'd just be a matter of designing the play field. American pinball, there's your next game. I can totally envision that in my head. American Pinball. Yeah. A-Command.
    44:10
    Talladega Nights. The Ballad of Ricky Bobby. Or Charlie and Spooky, you know. How about John Belushi on Coke? That would be a fun one.
    44:21
    Blues Brothers. That would be a hell of a title. They already tried to license Animal House. It fell out. I still want to see Tommy Boy. Orange Whip. Round of orange whips.
    44:33
    I still want to see Tommy White. Hey, what about Jersey Jack pinball? What about Jersey Jack? You don't need to move it along. We're not going to run out of time. This is the internet. We have all the internet that we want. Season up all the internet. We're going to use up all the internet with this. No wonder they can't get a hold of the Mars Pro. Because we've all played it. Pirates of the Caribbean, one of the best games ever made. Yellow. I'm going to give it back 10 grand. I would buy one. We all would. Screw shell support. They're going to... Wow. Nobody heard that. Sorry, Grandma. Okay. They're going to cease production this March.
    45:13
    So get it while the getting's good. Get it while the getting's good. Two weeks. Yeah. Well, it could be the end of March. It could be the end of March. So if you want one, you have the coin. Get one now. Or buy it on the secondary market. It may go up a lot in price. We don't know yet. so they're going to start producing a small run of a different version of Wizard of Oz it's going to be the yellow brick road edition so it's not a different version a different edition I think it's limited to about 250 units is what I've been told that's the hot rumor and that's going to carry him through until Willy Wonka is on the line so is Willy Wonka Gene Wilder What's it going to be based on? Gene Wilder. Does it come with an eight ball inside the cabinet?
    46:04
    It's Gene Wilder, and apparently they have all of the voice and movie rights and everything that they need. Now, that's why Willy Wonka's gone ahead in production as opposed to Toy Story being next because with Toy Story, there was a licensing person that worked at Jersey Jack. y'all know what's in and what's not in Pirates of the Caribbean they're reworking the license for Toy Story because that same problem that person didn't know about with Jersey Jack so they're securing all the visual imagery and voices and everything else for Toy Story right now it will be coming, they're working out the deal but they've got everything for Willy Wonka so you know this thing is going to be that could be incredible it's going to be a grand slam I don't care how I want it now. I don't understand why everybody sucks. And this is going to be Jack's golden ticket.
    47:05
    Brought to you by Single Moth Scotch, ladies and gentlemen. Everybody's excited about this Willy Wonka because it's the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka. Oh, no, don't get me wrong. I love the Gene Wilder Willy Wonka movie. It wasn't something much like Munsters, but I hear people talking about all the time until it came up as a license. and then everyone's sort of like ooh Willy Wonka what a great theme and I'm just like for me this has real nostalgia it's one of the earliest films I remember going to see at the theater without my parents you know I'm an only child but I had lots of cousins and we would all get together and we would meet at my grandma's house on a Saturday and we'd go to the local theater we'd walk to our local movie theater which is just a few blocks down the road and we stopped at the little they still had the little Mom and Pop Grocery still had Penny Candy then.
    47:53
    And still, it's one of the earliest films I remember seeing without my parents with Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I mean, absolutely mesmerized by it. And to this day, it's still a favorite. Just because the scary tunnel traumatized you at an early age. Man, just, that thing's a total, that movie's got everything. It's got to have scary tunnel mode, man. It still holds up well today. It's got to have scary tunnel mode. The new one, I like the new one. It's the best pinball machine ever made about killing children. The new one was much closer to the book than the old one. But the old one was better. The old one, I like them both. I love Gene Wilder, and he nailed that role. He drove a stake through that and said, I'm done. It's because Gene Wilder was a fun movie. It was a help. The rest of it, it's great. It's a fun movie. And it still does hold up today. But when you look at it through today's lens, it's like, okay, that's styrofoam or whatever. It doesn't matter because that's what they had to deal with. And, you know, if it's based on the Willie Walker one, you know, if it's based on that one, they get the old and they can use the clips, they can do a lot of awesome stuff with that. You know, good day, sir, whatever. If they can come up with an everlasting God's supper and look like that and taste it awesome, I would eat it. That's true. And a chocolate river, you know, I just think poop in the Sacramento River. But that game can be really, really, really awesome. And I'm out of the loop on a lot of this stuff. So a lot of this is news to me. Like, I didn't know there was a Toy Story game coming. Now, who knows? You know, if they can get the license from Disney and make it right, because I know they're making another Toy Story 4 because, you know, the third one didn't end right or whatever.
    49:36
    So, and here's the thing. What's the other hot rumor about Willy Wonka, Spencer? It's going to be a standard body. Standard body and designed by? That's where I'm going to go. Get ready to get your nipples all erect. Pat Lawler's doing it.
    49:51
    I know, right? Yeah, they're ready. It's not because it's cold out. Okay. Pat Lawler's doing that. Pat Lawler's back with Toy Story, the rumor is. And then what's the young gentleman who did Pirates? I'm sorry. Brian? Eric. Eric Meunier? Yeah. It's something Gregory Farr. So will Willie Wolfe have a talking head a la Funhouse? Tough to say. Nobody knows. You know what? If they had a Gene Wilder talking head in there that be awesome That be creepy as fuck Creepy as fuck Put it in on the leg In inside the back box Okay so it like peering out at you and talks like anybody can see me what I'm doing with my hands, with the moving mouth. She made her hand go up and down like a movie. I did. I love it. It actually doesn't come on any legs. It comes with four Oompa Loompas. Oompa Loompa legs. That's racist. Oompa legs. You have four Oompa Legs. And they're orange. Hey, man. We're green in the town. So, yeah. So, well, I just. I'm happier to hear that it's going to be this than Toy Story, honestly.
    51:03
    I'm not thrilled at the Toy Story. I mean, they could do it great, but it just. You know. It kind of falls flat for me. I agree with you, Kendra. I saw the first Toy Story. I liked it. Didn't see the second one, so I have no opinion on it. Wait, wait. The third story, Toy Story, was great. You've never seen Toy Story 2? No. It's so good. What's wrong with you? It's like the best one. No, it's not. I have depression. No, it really is. Toy Story 2 is awesome.
    51:28
    The whole beginning part with Buzz Lightyear flying through the... No, pretty cool. I didn't see the inside of Al's toy bar. It's hilarious, man. I've never seen the second one. We are watching Toy Story 2. But the third one's a good standalone film, so I can see why they got the idea to do it. Yeah. But Willy Wonka, like we've already said, is just pure imagination. Yes. Peace. Come with me. You're married. I can't do that.
    51:55
    Pure imagination. There we go. Let's go over that X-17 rating. You know what it is? It's another. It's not nearly as old as Wizard of Oz, but it's another timeless classic. It is. Where parents and grandparents now are sitting down with their kids and grandkids, and they're watching that and they're having fun with it. And the kids will say, oh, I wish there was a bar with a golden ticket we could go to Waka Land. I want an Oompa Loompa. I want it now.
    52:22
    I want it now. I want cake now. I want to make a grape syrup pinball machine. Oh, that would be fun.
    52:31
    What's this pinball machine? There's nothing in it. Pick up a guy, I'll be there. We'll do the whole Steinbeck thing. pinball machine. There's one pop bumper. It really doesn't fucking work.
    52:45
    How come it's dirty? Don't clean the dirt off. It's supposed to be there. We really should not have pulled out the scotch before the show started. We should have brought tequila to the game. We have three kinds of tequila. Wait, are we going to make some of that? Not one. For the record, kids, he's holding up four fingers. So quick question here, guys. I'm looking at this. What's going to be the yellow but growed edition?
    53:13
    What's going to be the big plastic thing they're going to add on to this? I don't know. I bet you money it's going to be yellow armor and a special screen on the display that says yellow but growed edition. He put out his first game. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That thing first hit the streets almost eight years ago. No, no. Don't get me wrong. They can still make money off it. That's great. Oh, yeah. I'm just curious, you know, are they beating a dead horse? Because everyone who has one has one, right? No. Well, I guess you're right. I guess you're right because they're making more. He said he sold, like, what, 4,000? You know what? Which is great for him. Well, no, I think he said it. Did he say that? Okay. I think a lot of people, they keep their, well, Stern does, keeps their numbers. No, no, no. Jack came out and said it. He was like, hey, check it out. So moving on. We sold some fucking games. We've got some spring shows coming up. Yes. Are we up to the spring shows? Wait, are we done with American Pinball? Well, okay. Well, Jack. Okay, so Jack. Production ends in March sometime. So get it while the getting's good. Cross does its good. For Pirates. And I wish they'd run them longer because it's an amazing game. Hey, Jack. Haunted Mansion based on the ride. There you go. Anyways, that's it. And then we get Willy Wonka. Or even just re-themed Pirates for the ride. I literally think that game is going to shake the earth and pinball. And then we have Toy Story back in that. I think it will be good. It will be fun. I like Toy Story as much as the next guy, but, you know, it's not a good thing for me. You know what? They've got to throw in a PG theme every once in a while. Guns N' Roses is a fast stop. Jack only does PG themes. Wait, wait. So it's Guns N' Roses confirmed. Until he does Guns N' Roses.
    54:55
    I don't have 100% confirmation, but the rumor's been out there so long, it's pretty close. Well, given how Axl looks now, it has to be a white one. Well, no, here's the thing.
    55:05
    You know, he actually lost a lot of weight. But the big rumor. He found it again. The big rumor about, yeah, there you go.
    55:11
    He got depressed when they fired him from Guns N' Roses and gave Brian Johnson his job back. Not Guns N' Roses, ACDC.
    55:19
    What was the big rumor? Oh, the big rumor is because Slash came out on social media and said that he is working on designing a pinball machine. Yeah. So, A, not necessarily Guns N' Roses. Just said obviously. Most likely. Just our pinball machine. So everybody's kind of assuming that he's working with Eric. Spring shows this spring. Okay. Let's go ahead and whenever my lovely wife, Rusty, who went off somewhere. Where'd you go, honey? She's probably off having a smigarette. Are you getting ready to smoke? I'm glad.
    55:50
    She's going to smoke. She's going to get some spring shows. I want to smoke, too, because I'm drinking scotch. Well, you can't smoke because you're running the show. So what are the drinks of tonight? We have Miller, High Life, and, of course, Heineken. Just a low-life drink and some high life. Okay. We have two types of single malt scotch. We have Glilivet, and then we have Downmore.
    56:13
    And what else are we drinking tonight? That's it. Rockstar. Rockstar Recovery. Energy and hydration. We have chips and ranch dip made with real Hidden Valley Ranch dressing mix. I'm going to bring some Uncle Dan's next time. Cookies. Hell, yeah. Punch and pie. More people will come if you have punch and pie. Somebody may have taken some motion. I was to understand that there was going to be punch and pie. There's no punch and pie. We're out of here. Okay, so 90 days until the Golden State Pinball Festival. That's three months. And how long ago? Okay, yesterday, because today is so. Yesterday it was 91 days. Yeah, it was 91 days. But today is Saturday. the campground sold out the campground sold out they sold out in under two hours if you're looking for a camping spot and you're thinking about tent camping reach out to almost anybody there we will find a way to squeeze you in ok well that was just a bold statement ok because a lot of people want to camp don't worry our dozens and dozens of listeners all around the world are probably going to hit us up immediately because they're going to come to California to hang out in a tent with you. Everybody wants to hang out and the spinner is lit. Yurt. The spinner is lit. Yurt. We will have an outside couch. The spinner is lit and so is the yurt. And the yurt will be lit too. What about the yolk? The yolk? Yurt.
    57:48
    Brian. This is why nobody likes you. I thought it was for a lot of other reasons. So, anyway, so. Those two. Golden State Baseball Festival, May 17, 2019. That's why people does like them. I'm sorry. At the Lodi Great Festival. Festival, fairgrounds. Lodi, California, which is a weekend if you're in the wine, is Zen Fest, which is also the birthplace of A&W Root Beer and their Stone. A&W location close to the fairgrounds. The original A&W. And if you run out of space to camp, Eric Neff has plenty of space. There you go. Eric has a comfortable couch. E-Neff. And then, oh, we've got to do our – You will be happy to be stuck in low dive again. Again. So this is going to be three days of awesome pinball goodness. The tournament format, I want to talk about that. That has changed this year. It is not a pin golf format. Not a pin golf format. What is the format this year? I have no idea, but I'm a scorekeeper, so I better learn. You have to have five match this year. Yeah. Four match weren't working. You have to have five match in your group. Yeah, that's in the group. But much like golf. It sucks. You can bring beer. And between rounds, you have to engage in mortal combat. With Tiger Woods. All right. Kendra Martick, support lady tonight. Thank you, Kendra. The one person here who knows what's going on. The divisions for the tournament format are Maine, the Maine tournament, our Maine division, Novus, women's and seniors. One, two, or three for Novus. I thought that Maine meant that only people from Maine Registration all entries purchased at tournament Location look for the Laptop being staffed by a helpful Volunteer limited Best game qualifying format Initial buy 10 entries 30 paid entries maximum Entry buys are cash only One entry equals one play on one Machine 12 game qualifying Bank top score on five different Machines count top 24 Players advance to Maine division match play finals top eight get a first round by players ranked 25 to 36 advanced to novice division match play final ifpa 500 plus restricted top four get a first round by top four women and top four seniors will also advance to the respective one round final hey spencer you're in i did i asked the commissioner mr michael no the gov huh he's the gov No, he's the gov. He's the gov. Blazing Saddles. Okay. The affairs of state take precedence of affairs of state. Yeah, no, 55. You have to be 55. I'm not quite old enough. You know, if you lied and he didn't card you, you could probably pull it off. I could probably pull it off. So for all that stuff you just said, can you put that into English for people who don't know what the fuck you just said? I don't know what the fuck you just said.
    60:36
    Ladies and gentlemen, it is all on the website at? at Golden State Pinball Festival, goldenstatepinball.org, or gspf.org. Well done. Thank you. I like that because it was concise. Now, there's a separate kids' tournament, and the sign-ups for that will be at the Pacific Pinball Museum's booth, and their machines will be there. You play three machines. You play two games on each. Best scorers win. No separate finals or anything like that. And that's $5. So take your kids and get them involved in that because that's a fun, not high-pressure, but competitive and fun way. And they have prizes for everybody. So, you know, I mean, you know, the first top three get the coolest prizes, but everybody gets a little something for participating. So, you know. All right. Can I play a game of Identify? Yeah, just what kids need, participation trophies. Yeah, ask the commish. You do have to shave off your beard, though. That's not going to happen. How are we going to know he's gay? I have nightmares about that. Then you're out. So, actually, what else is going on with the Golden State Pinball Festival? So, campgrounds sold out, as we've already mentioned. The campgrounds sold out. They are. Guys, there's still going to be games. So, bring games if you can.
    61:54
    Hopefully I can send one with Dan this year, unless Adam buys it. You are definitely coming. Quit being a liar. No, no, the game, not me. Well, we'll bring other games. We'll bring Whirlwind. Yeah, I'll make sure the outside couch is a sectional so you can sleep on it. Well, there's going to be a dust room. There's also going to be a bisexual.
    62:10
    Michael Huntsman is going to do something really good. Where am I going to sleep? I ain't sleeping in my truck.
    62:18
    On the ground. In the campground area, there were machines last year underneath the pop-ups. Mike Huntsman's Midnight Madness tournament. So he's not like Huntsman. He's doing something different this year. Yeah. So it's going to be even cooler and crazier. I'm not going to say what it is because Mike hates stuff like that, but, yeah, it is definitely insane. Fireball 2, not the game, the member over on Penn's side, whose real name escapes me, but a really good guy. He brought a couple games last year, put them under a pop-up in his campsite and had round-the-clock dollar games and drinking games with the pinballs. One of them was a Star Wars LE, and another one was an old two-inch flipper EM.
    63:05
    And amazingly, somebody stole the two-inch flipper EM and left the Star Wars LE alone. You know what we should do? We should fix one of the bingos. You can play that for a campground starter. Brian, I would be so impressed if you fixed one of the bingos. I would carry it there myself. So the whole point is this show is going to be round-the-clock fun. Get your back fixed. There's going to be food. What time does it start on Friday? It starts at 1 p.m. on Friday.
    63:34
    It starts at 1 p.m. Wait, wait, wait. Yeah, there's times. What are you up to? Yeah, 1 p.m. on Friday.
    63:39
    And it goes 1 to 11 p.m. on Friday. That's going to be a rough day. 10 a.m. to midnight on Saturday. 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Sunday. Three-day pass is $50. Kids have price. They also have veterans discounts. So what you're saying is the party starts 1 p.m. Friday, and ends 5 p.m. Sunday, and it's a nonstop party. It's a nonstop party. Bring your own beard. Bring your liver. If you're hardcore, the party starts on Thursday. Please volunteer at gspf.org. Absolutely. If you're in Northern California, we need you. Somebody's got to schlep games. Yes, many aspects of this show need volunteers. I would, but Ignite's playing, so you have to go to hell. You're giving back to the local community, to kids' charities, and you're also, you know, you get free admission, man. And when you get free admission beyond that, you get all kinds of other little special goodies, you know, perks. Be sure, if you're out and about and you're new, especially if you're new and you've never been to the show or you've been to the show once or twice and you don't know a lot of people in the pinball community. You know, this is only the second annual show, so you can only have been to it once. Well, and or our sister show, Pinnagoga. We're not counting Pinnagoga. We're always counting Pinnagoga. We're a complete break from Pinnagoga. This is a new show. I know, but we're still counting. Nude show, all right. It's still there. This is a nude show. Anyway, so. Hello. Just so you know, even though we get a little bit more adult on this show. Hope it's not cold out. We are not being. It's a great show for kids. You can bring your parents, your grandparents. You can bring the little ones. It's family-oriented, family fun. From 8 to 80. That's from 3 to 80. Hey. We have Steph still. It doesn't sound as good. No great-grandparents allowed. Great-grandparents are awesome if they play football. How about 3 to 300? But come on. If you're new, look for anybody in the volunteer shirts. Like pinball? Look for me. Look for my wife. Look for anybody that's here at the table tonight. Yeah, we look just like this. We look just like this. Just like we do online. Come up and say hello. Find our yurt. We're over. Come over in the mornings. Have coffee with us. The spinner is lit yurt will be the party spot. There'll be a 12-foot bong there. No, there will not.
    65:47
    I'm probably absent again. because it turns out I was the only one who could stomach it. Around the ashram, bring the bone.
    65:54
    But, yeah, come over and have coffee and donuts with Rusty and I and the kids every morning there before the show opens, usually from about 7 to 9 a.m. We'll be sitting there having coffee. So come over, say hi, introduce yourself. If they make coffee in a percolator, it's awesome. Right? No, I actually bring a coffee machine. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I bring a percolator. Awesome. Percolator coffee. Yes, it is. We can make that. We have one. I can bring the espresso machine. So that's the Golden State Pinball Festival. We are three months out to the greatest little show west of the Mississippi. It's going to be great. I can't tell you. Can we have that Colombian-pig-nated coffee? Oh, and Dirty Donny. Dirty Donny is going to be there. He did this year's show, Art. He's going to be signing posters. And you can get games signed and other stuff, swag that he's done. You know, speaking of Dirty Donny, and I was telling these guys earlier tonight is I found pictures from the 2007 Pinnagogo when he first showed up with the helicopters game that he made. I love that game. Yes. He did such an amazing job on that game that I think after that it was the Metallica Earthshaker conversion, which was awesome. And if he's going to be there, bring stuff to get signed because he's amazing. I'll leave it at that without me swearing. There you go. But it's amazing, guys. Come on out. That was the first time for everything.
    67:12
    There is. so before i get to the next uh shows that we're going over i because i last episode i screwed up my notes so uh southern fried game room expo was the one southern fried game room expo atlanta georgia at the marriott whatever else is named look for marriott in atlanta georgia folks the spinners that podcast would love to apologize for spencer to all people who are enthusiasts of the Southern Pride Game Room Expo. However, since we're largely a Northern California based podcast,
    67:48
    tough rocks. There you go. But they've got pinball, arcade games, console gaming, RPG, board games, RPG games. They even have wrestling and music and a film festival. This sounds like an awesome weekend. We've got to get down to Atlanta, man. I'm telling you. Anyway, so that's Southern Pride Game Room Expo, July 12th and 14th in Atlanta, Georgia. Sorry about missing you guys last time. Spencer's buying our tickets apparently We're going to do a cannonball run down there A poker run To promote American Pinball's new game My Mustang can barely get to Fair Oaks You want me to drive to Atlanta? In 48 minutes Across town At the old Colonial Theater Rocky Horror Picture Show Maryland Thursday Special Edition Wait, wait, at the Colonial? Why are we not there? You know what man, I know Kendra's mad Because we keep talking about going wrestling WTF over? I know. Next time. They'll play it again around Easter. Well, it's usually, what, every weekend in Berkeley anyways? Which one is this supposed to start at? 10. Is it 10? Yeah. We've got 15 minutes. Let's blow this Popsicle stand. Well, we're almost done with shows. Hey, don't call Dan Popsicle Sam. Okay.
    68:56
    Or do, I mean. Okay, so next up we have a big show. We have Texas Pinball Festival. Which is awesome. Everything's bigger in Texas. Everything. Even when it's cold.
    69:09
    graciously sponsored by Deep Root, who won't be showing anything because it's cold out. It's cold out. It's cold out, baby.
    69:22
    Okay, it's March 22nd through 24th at the Frisco Convention Center in Frisco, Texas. So it's Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Weekend pass is $70, half price for kids. they've got Bush Patrick is going to be there for the Munsters and Pat Priest is going to be there for the Munsters and she's announced this will be her final public appearance where she's going to go out and sign stuff. She's getting up in years but whether you own a Munsters pinball game or you plan on buying one at the show or whatever. And they're Eddie and Marilyn right? Yes, that's correct. Marilyn Munster and Eddie Munster, yeah. The second Marilyn Yes. But the one who was Marilyn Moore. Yeah, yeah Bob, Bob, Bob, boom Yeah, so anyway, so they're going to be there. There's going to be all kinds of games, all kinds of, you know, designers and industry people. It's going to be a pretty good show. It always is, and there's going to be a lot going on at that. So, you know, check that out. Going back real quick to Golden State Pinball. Go ahead. Golden State Pinball, 90 days, Lodi, California. Be there or be square. Stuck in Lodi again. Just remember, guys, if it's raining, it's the golden shower.
    70:34
    We are also going to be at Grape City Con March 24th. What's Grape City Con? Funny you should ask. For those of you who don't know.
    70:42
    Comic Con in Lodi. Really? And when is that? March 24th at the Lodi Grape Festival Fairgrounds. You should go check that out. 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Lots of comic book and science fiction, fantasy, and horror film goodness. I want to do a Comic Con where actually I've just stand up. He's snapping, but I thought he was flipping the bird. We just did East Bay Con last weekend, and that was a lot of fun. Where was that at? That was in Concord. Okay. In the East Bay. The Radisson. Is Concord considered East Bay now? Yes. Okay. Because the rest of the Bay is so expensive that people who live in Concord want to be able to come to the East Bay. I would consider, like, you know, Livermore, Dublin, Pleasanton, East Bay, but I guess Concord falls into that. Like I said, it's urban sprawl. Yeah, I couldn't afford to live there. No. Okay. Oh, you know who's going to be? Okay, well, up next is the Midwest Gaming Classic. MGC.
    71:32
    MGC. What is it? I don't know. Friday, April 12th, Saturday, April 13th, Sunday, April 14th. Is that bad of a joke? Madison, Wisconsin, and some of the special guests. Wow. They're going to have Ernie Hudson from the Ghostbusters. Temperature above the 30s. And what's that? Temperature above the 30s. Maybe. Yeah. Thanks, Global Warming. So Ernie Hudson, Sonny Spangooli, Eric Fishoff, Wrestling Dude.
    72:03
    And thanks for reading WCW, Eric Bischoff. Yeah! Scott Siner should have given more steroids. Harsh, man. This crowd is harsh. Oh, I love WCW watching Scott Siner just roid out for no reason other than the fact that he was injecting roids into his ass. Greg Ferrer is just going to be there. I just shot roids in the book with my eyeballs!
    72:27
    Oh, yeah. Greg Ferrer is. Yeah, he does good artwork. He is. He is. The art director for Sturt Pinball. I got to talk with him a little bit after the awards ceremony. I think the next day, Saturday, we talked after last year's.
    72:42
    Really just a sweetheart of a guy. Super good guy. He's a great person. I saw him up in Seattle, and it was a super good show. So Midwest Gaming Classic. You know, they do pinball. In Tacoma.
    72:55
    Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show. We'll get to that. We're still kind of on Sturt Pinball. We'll get to that one. Midwest Gaming Classic. No, it's a battle.
    73:03
    They have pinball arcade games. They have cosplay, board games, console games. It's a complete gaming weekend. A lot of fun.
    73:14
    Good stuff, man. Oh, and for the furries, please no skitching. Yeah, the furries were skitching at the Comic-Con last week. Furries are gross. Go away. Like skateboarding behind cop cars? No. You don't have to explain what that is to me. Just look it up. We're not going to talk about that. Yeah, we may not be safe for work, but yeah, that's a little far away. How do you wrap a bombshell like that and then not elaborate? Just watch CSI. Is that two girls, one cup? It's worse. Yeah. Okay, so right after the Golden State Pinball Festival, May 17th through 19th. Lodi, California. Okay. You'll be happy to be stuck in Lodi again. So we have the Pacific Northwest show May 31st or June 2nd And that's at the Tacoma Convention Center In Tacoma, Washington That is an outstanding show That I don't really go to anymore Because I don't live there anymore Exactly I don't have any place to crash Here's the thing It is a great venue It's way bigger than what I was used to Down here The first time I went to the Northwest Pinball they have a ton of pinball a ton of arcade games free parking, free train rides it's all indoors so you're not hot the only downside of it compared to Lodi is that it's in Tacoma, Washington and you can't camp there well you know then again you can't urban camp anywhere these days Expo 5.0. Where's that at? In Banning, California. Beautiful. I can't tell. That was a straight face. That's March 15th through 17th. Well, wouldn't that be before? Golden State Pinball Festival. Well, that'd be before everything. That'd be before everything. I can't backtrack. So I just wrote my notes down. I didn't put them in order, man. You know, it's a free show, man. You get what you pay for, right? Anyway, so.
    75:18
    Yeah, man. So it's – I haven't been yet, and I've been meaning to go. Dad, I'm going to make this year because I have so much else going on.
    75:30
    You got this I got this yeah No but they have like well they have a ton of arcade games too but they have like four or five hundred pinball machines I thought they had seven hundred pinball machines They might have that many. I thought it was over 9,000 myself. Nine. No.
    75:44
    It's over 9,000! Oh, I got the Twinkie tonight on Ghostbusters finally. That's a big Twinkie. I was like, damn, I finally got the Twinkie. Good job. I'm sorry, has he got anything as off-level as that thing is? That thing is hilariously off-level. What, Ghostbusters? Yes. No, Dan, that's just because you only have one shoe in. You're thinking of Devil's Dare. No, no, that's definitely off-level, too. You have Devil's Dare and you haven't leveled it out yet? Shame on you. No, we've moved it a bunch of times, and I've been really lazy lately. Hey, it's okay. I had a couple movements today myself. So anyway, so that's the most recent upcoming shows. and shows come up. If you have a show and we're not talking about it, email me. That's thespinnerslit at gmail.com. All right. And be sure to use lots of profanity. Spencer, I have a show. He pays more attention. I totally show me. There we go. So, up next, we're going to do kind of a, just a discussion, a comparison, battle royale, whatever. Good pinball machine between unbound so good pinball. Why Demoman sucks and Judge Dredd is awesome. Demoman versus Judge Dredd. Demolition Man.
    76:56
    Wow, that was close. That's a great opinion. Dredd. Although I do like Demo Man. You own both. You should like them both. Well, but I owned Dredd first and twice.
    77:08
    Let's start with Blaze. Rusty, you want to start? Brian, go ahead. I just farted on Bud. I want Bud the dog to start.
    77:20
    He's getting his ass scratched. He has other better things to do. The only time I've actually managed to play either one of these is, of course, at Dan's house because he's awesome and he hosts League. Don't make a joke. I am a League host. He's a League host. But it doesn't say so on the website. In a League of his own.
    77:37
    There's no crying at pinball. And I just – You know that's a lie. This is just my personal opinion because I actually find Judge Dredd hard because I can't figure it out. I'm still working on figuring out Judge Dredd. And since I only played it a league, which means I only had my one shot at it, and we've only played it a couple of times, if I don't get a good score, I don't like it. So when it came to Demolition Man, it's a little bit easier.
    78:19
    The layout is very, it's all very obvious on what shots to make, how to make the shots. So, yay. So I'm the only one that likes Demolition Man because, well, I'm not a very good pinball player.
    78:34
    You're a fantastic pinball player, Rusty. Just a minute, Alexander Bullock. We'll give you a free pass. There we go. Kendra?
    78:42
    John Stratton. Why? I think with Judge Dredd there's more to it. There's more, you know, there's more to do.
    78:53
    There's different shots to aim for. There's, you know. It's definitely a more involved game. Yeah. There's more to it. This is actually being spoken by people who have not played enough Demolition Man. I was a complete Demolition Man kind of hater. Oh, okay. That game is actually pretty damn sick. You and I played, what, for about two hours? And we got a blast. There is. Yeah. I've always liked the game. Demolition Man has, it's a Nordman, so it's got a ton of really involved ramps and a lot of flow and a lot of shots. The problem with Demolition Man is it's so damn ugly. It is not a beautiful pinball machine. Dan, that's what I hate about it. It's disgusting looking. It has my favorite skill shot, I think, in all of pinball. That skill shot in that game is amazing. That is a great skill shot. It's a great skill shot. But it is one of the worst-looking games I've ever seen, not just because of the back glass. It just doesn't do anything for me. The ramps. And I like ramps. No, no, no. I like ramps. It's the outlines of the inserts on the play field that's super generic, but it's of that era of Williams Valley pinball machines where they put, like some neon colors around, you know, circled some neon colors around every one of their inserts. It looks kind of generic for their brand of the time. And it's just not very. I listen to a podcast with the art team on it. Cause it wasn't just, it's Watson. Yeah. Watson. But it was a, there was a lady, Linda.
    80:34
    He's such a good person. And it wasn't. Yeah. But anyways, they had a lot of trouble with the rights to the art for the back glass. But it's just like even, you know, best case scenario, like it's very not colorful.
    80:51
    You know. I don't think it's that terrible. It's cold. It feels cold. They're all faded to shit. But even unfaded, it's just like I said, it's very, very. It's not the best artwork they've ever done. Here's what's cool about it, though, right? the handles are epic. Yeah, handles suck. I know a lot of people hate the handles. Thank you, Brian. But, like, when you get those things working, it is so fun to play the game with them. Yeah. The ramps go every which way, and you can combo any shot. You can almost combo endlessly. When it works, and mine still needs a little help, the cryo claw is a super cool toy. Yeah. And it actually puts a lot of strategy into the game. With Dread, it's a little bit more of, like, your qualify, start a mode, qualify, start a mode sort of rule set. I think they're both great games.
    81:42
    Well, for me personally, because I like the comic book and the movies are Well, Dredd is, okay, so Neither of those movies are great. Dredd has nothing to do with the movie. Right. Judge Dredd was based off of your opinion. But I love the Demoman movie. It's one of my and Russ's favorite cheesy sci-fi films. So, um, of the two, I like them both and I like to own both. But if you gave me a choice, I would like to owe Demoman more than I do. Well, you might have a chance coming up soon. Yeah, well, I have to put my house anyway, so I'm just holding it up. Yeah, musical sound is definitely a Judge Dredd advantage.
    82:21
    Dredd has great music. Dredd has awesome sounds. Gameplay is kind of a push. They both play good. Maybe I'll say Demoman's got a little bit better gameplay. Art-wise, Judge Dredd just kills it. You know, two out of three categories go to Dredd, so I'm going to say Dredd. But Demoman has jumped up so much. Demoman can give for about $1,000 less than Judge Dredd. Yes, Demoman is cheap. Well, I'll tell you what, though.
    82:45
    Judge Dredd is worth $1,000 more in gameplay, art, and pretty much everything, in my opinion, than Demolition Man. Isn't it interesting that these two games get paired off more than, like, any other two games? Well, they're one of seven white bodies. Well, but I mean, just, well, not only that, guys, there's only so many games that came out in the same time frame, similar sort of theme, like, they really just paired up a lot. Even the layouts were both low-key, low-key layouts, wide-body, a lot of sweeping long shots. So, that being said, drop off the demo, man, and let me see what I can do with it. No, we're going to shop over the thing. Yeah, let me see what I can do with it. Look, you've got to finish your two shop jobs. I've got room for another one. And then we're going to worry about the demo. Drop me off the part so I can at least do something with them. The ramps. We'll work on them. I'm going to throw in play fill.
    83:42
    All right. And then redo all the cabinet decals and chrome. Well, I can airbrush the cab. Okay. I think it's weird because it's the only cab with a naked Sylvester Stallone on the side.
    83:57
    And that did nothing. See, even when that game came out. He's on there though. I'm right, right? Spencer, what am I doing? It shows the chamber and the free thing and he's in there and he's sort of curled up and he's butt naked. What the crap, Williams? It was there and gone. It was there and gone in two weeks. We unboxed one brand new and it was there. Demoman was gone. It didn't make any money. It made no money.
    84:24
    Judge Dredd made a decent amount of money when the movie was out but once people realized it wasn't the movie, it was gone too.
    84:30
    I figure that would just make people spend more money. Me personally, I judge Dread night and day. I don't know why. The colors are better. You know, the colors are a little bit more, they're brighter. They both have that dystopian future feel to it. Right. Don't get me wrong. Demolition Man feels much more dystopian just because of the colors that we're using and how it looks. Yeah. But Judge Dread had the color going for it. And for me, it was more fun to play because it was a little bit brighter.
    84:57
    Dystopian games have their place. Yeah. But Judge Dread. That's where I think you're high. Demoman flows 10 times better than Judge Dredd. If you can make the shots. Demoman is a flow game. Dredd has ramps, but it doesn't have the kind of flow that you get. It doesn't have the comboable shots. Here's the thing. Yeah, it does. Judge Dredd is one of those machines that once you finally master the machine, and, I mean, I get it. You're not going to walk up to every machine and be able to master it in, you know, a day, a week, a month, whatever. and I have had the privilege of being able to stand in front of a judge for years.
    85:37
    But once you master that machine, there's so much flow. No, I mean, there are combos with shots. You can make that machine flow all night long. But you've got way, way, way more flow potential in Demoman. Yeah, but it's a way worse game. Yes, but it's got more shots and the shots flow together. And that's what it's supposed to do. it has no guitar riffs, though. It does not have any sweet guitar riffs. That's like saying Roadshow is a better game than Funhouse because it has more flow, which it does, but Roadshow sucks. No, no, no. That is absolutely true. Roadshow is not a better game than Funhouse. Also, I mean, like, which one has a better match animation? Judge Dredd. Absolutely. 100%. No, like I said, everything about Judge Dredd is better. Yeah. Except for the flow.
    86:25
    I disagree. Demoman is absolutely the flowiest wide body ever made I'll tell you what I will concede that as long as you're talking about walking up to the two machines never playing them before in your life Demoman might have more flow once you learn the machines Judge Dredd is a far superior machine but based on what you just said right there it's just me personally without ever playing either of them okay number one At that point, either of them, if they had a Demoman and a Judge Dredd, I'm going to Judge Dredd.
    87:00
    I'm going to Judge Dredd because the Demoman... And Wesley Snipes. The Demoman Backglass is perhaps the worst Backglass in the history of pinball, with maybe the exception of the Shadow. I was waiting for you to say Shadow. I don't mind the Shadow Backglass because Baldwins don't piss me off for some reason. I guess I'm stupid because of that. No, I just don't take them seriously. You mean all the Baldwins are dead? but Judge Dredd's back glass I hate it's just awful Dredd's back glass is awesome no excuse me not Judge Dredd Demolition Man's back glass is awful that's the new one it's awful that's terrible it's awful when I get it you know you like that original one that is a Bram Stoker's Dracula I'm like either one of them Judge Dredd or excuse me Demolition Man was done purely it's advertising You don't even approach it as a, hey, we made this game for fun, for people to buy. We made this game strictly for the movie. It's advertising. You have to take it at that. It's like the old Bonnie Python when they did the album called Contractual Obligation. That's what it is. And that backlash is awful. I would say that Judge Dredd has a distinct advantage over Demolition Man because it has a completely separate game. It has Super Game. basically Judge Dredd is two different pinball machines in one machine well so is Safecracker and that game kind of sucks too I love that game but Judge Dredd doesn't suck we're talking about Judge Dredd vs Demolition Man and literally Judge Dredd is two different pinball machines it has two different game modes and I don't know of another machine that has two different game modes like that besides Safecracker which apparently fucking sucks unlike Judge Dredd but you see the thing is Okay, we played both games at League two weeks ago. Yeah. I could not tell you what Demoman looked like. And Dan actually had a great point last week. That's a good point. It's unforgettable. Excuse me. Oh, it's forgettable. It's forgettable. Yeah.
    89:03
    You walk up to it, you play it, you walk away, you're like, what the hell was that game? I don't know. Demoman's memorable thing. Just as a brighter colored game, it stands with you. It draws you visually to it versus Demoman. Demoman's memorable thing is the handles. The only thing that Demoman has over Judge Strickland are the fucking handles. And the handles, I don't even like. And the eyeballs. Everybody else likes them. Obviously, I don't like the handles. The handles are great for bonus only. Everybody forgets the eyeballs. And the eyeballs. Two Hot Wheels. And our team, everybody started playing it. Everybody used the handles. By ball two, everybody was back to flipping. No, no, no, Rush. The thing is, if you use the handles throughout the game, you get a bonus. You get an extra million points for every combo that you shoot using the trigger. Oh, I didn't know that. So there is a points advantage to that. If we were using the cryoclaw, you use the handles to control the cryoclaw. Although you shouldn't have to. So just because Demoman has two cars and an eyeball on the play field doesn't mean it's a better machine. It just means it's a better candidate for a re-theme for a Talladega Knights machine. I didn't even say it was a better machine. In that instance, I might like it.
    90:08
    That just happened. Shake and bake. Shake and bake, babe. Let's not spread our ideas for a Ricky Bobby pinball rethink because we got plans. I'm Ricky Bobby and if you don't play pinball, then fuck you.
    90:26
    I think that we can all agree Judge Dredd is better than Demoman. Everyone knows that Family Friendly sucks. I'll tell you what. This is still family friendly if you're the Manson family. No, no, no. Or the Addams family. They're way better than we are.
    90:48
    Speaking of Addams family, you know what sucks in Addams family? Blindingly bright LEDs. So if you're listening, David Paisan, thank you. Not that it's your game, Dan, so I don't blame you. I didn't put them in there. I said it. If you did, I would have poked out your eyes. Wow. I think I told way about covered. With a dull spoon. And we have about covered Demoman versus Judge Dredd, which that will worry me.
    91:12
    So, guys, we got any thoughts? We're out of topics. I have lots of thoughts. Okay. Shout-outs and thoughts. This podcast is going to be absolutely unlistenable.
    91:24
    But if you get into the flow of it and pretend that you're sitting at the table with us, you're going to have a good time. Spencer, thinking of thoughts. Jesus, you're running me over, Brian. I watched Indiana Jones last night. You're walking home, Brian. Taut is one of the best villains ever. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Taut is one of the best villains ever. We're so close to thoughts, that's why it's so close. Dude, the scene where he pulls out the thing that looks like nunchucks and makes the hanger is amazing. Yeah, that is great. You know, when I saw that, I had different thoughts about what that hanger was used for. He was probably a doctor of some sort. See?
    91:58
    Those are very bad. I agree. What? He's like, oh, my God. you're too young to get that reference kid I'm glad you guys are educated they can't even hear what we're saying Mickey just wants to be a part of the podcast I'm going to give a shout out to Cliffy once again because he's awesome love you Cliffy I need to talk to you soon I got some rum for you Cliff man what a stud got a beer waiting for you buddy no no rum like a man rum we give a shout out to all the wonderful people the volunteers and the organizers of the Golden State Pinball Festival. Hey, when is that going to happen? May 17th or 19th. Where is it? At the Lodi Great Festival Fairgrounds. And that is in? Lodi, California. You don't mind being stuck in Lodi again. And May 16th, Ignite's playing at the Holy Diver for $15 in Sacramento. They haven't played up here in quite a long time. Go see them because they're awesome. There you go. Oh, and I'm going to give a shout-out to this, too. Rockstar Injury Recovery? Yeah. Yeah, if this isn't really pinball related, but March 1st through 3rd at the Balboa Theater in San Francisco, California. Oh, God, yeah. There's a Ray Harryhausen Film Festival. There you go. Oh, my God. Dynamesia celebration. Three days of guest speakers and Ray Harryhausen films. So that's worth checking out, man. And I want to give a shout-out to something as well, but I can't think of anything to give a shout-out to. Shout-out to Capital Corridor Pinball League. Woo!
    93:27
    Yeah. And to a lot of great people who are going to volunteer and make the show great. And some not great people are going to volunteer. I'm one of them.
    93:37
    And also make a really big tournament happen. So make sure when you see volunteers and organizers, shake their hands. Reach out to them. Say thank you. Offer them a bottle of water. Or a granola bar or something because they're on their feet long hours of the day. We accept cash donations. Be a volunteer. Bring your games Bring your warm body We'll take it Also if you want to support If you want to help support the WoW Museum Which is where all of our proceeds go From World of Wonders Science and Technology Teaching kids the wonderful world of math Science and Tech They're going to have on February 23rd From 10am to 3pm A Geekology Festival Gaming Expo comic books, pinball machines, 3D printing, board games, virtual reality demos, and much more. So come out, support the World of Wonder Science Museum. Will do. And buy some Girl Scout cookies. Hello! Absolutely.
    94:42
    We'll wait for Dan to get back before we sign off. Dan's right here. We'll wait for Brian to get back. Dave's not here.
    94:50
    Dave's not here, man. We need to mic up the restroom. That sounds like a horrible idea. So I'll tell the story. We need to hook it up for smell-o-vision. If you go to Northern California, at the end of the very until the 70s and 80s, there was this great TV show on Sacramento and the San Francisco. You can get even further up north into Chico. Tom LaBrie's Night Comfort Theater. That was great. San Diego. Creature Features. The original host was Bob Wilkins, and towards the end of the 70s, he decided to quit doing it at both Channel 2 in Oakland and Channel 40 in Sacramento. He kept doing it at Channel 40 for a few more years, but in Oakland, John Stanley took over. In 1982, I met John Stanley at a science fiction convention in Santa Rosa, and I bought the first edition, because he'd just come out with it, of the Creature Features movie guide, and he signed it for me. and I was at East Bay Con last week, helping promote Golden State Pinball Festival. We had games set up on free play. We're doing the comic book conventions. I'm walking by a booth, and I saw a bunch of Creature Features fans. They're actually doing Creature Features shows again with a new host whose name I forget. It's on K-O-F-Y out of San Jose, California.
    96:12
    You can check your local cable provider, or you can go on the internet and Google it. anyway so I have to see none other than the great John Stanley now much older sitting at the table so I waited my turn I went up and talked to him told him a story about the future future movie guide that he signed for me in 82 which I still have sitting on my bookshelf right now bought the newest version he signed it for me we talked for a little bit so I give a shout out to John Stanley for just each time I met him nearly 40 years apart just being a really genuine and down-to-earth guy, and taking time to talk with the fans that are out there. So, you know, I have so much in my head, man, but it's just like we kind of blazed through this episode. We smoked no weed during this episode. We smoked no weed. I don't smoke weed. During the episode. But anyway, so, but the scotch. We're just going to get the gang together and welcome Will to his first podcast with us. That was fun. Get the Initiation beat down as soon as possible. His first. And last. Welcome back. Returning, you know. When's Cotter coming around? When's what? When's Cotter coming around?
    97:21
    When's Cotter coming around? Welcome back, Cotter. Oh, yeah. God, I made a joke that sold even Spencer didn't get it. Wow. No, it took me a minute. Again, the scotch is kicking in. Oh, yeah. Blame the alcohol. So anybody else got any shout outs, thank yous, reminders?
    97:37
    No. Crickets. I mean, you know, if we're talking about things that were on TV in the 90s, I remember those. Bud's got something. He's grumpy. I haven't scratched his butt enough. Get him, Bud. Golden State's coming up, folks. Come out. Enjoy. There'll be a ton of fun games to play, a ton of fun people. That's right.
    97:56
    UBC Spencer, just bring pepper spray. Yeah, don't forget about Look Online. Check your social networking sites. Check the gspf.org website. It's okay, Bob. Or the Sheep Charlor. You're a good guy. And the Instagram. Ooh, ooh, ooh. And if you're a Girl Scout cookie junkie, hit up Eric Neff. He's got the goods practically uncut straight from wherever those are made. The ship is coming, man. The shipment's coming, yes. My dealer is back. Our dealer emailed us today. Yes, our dealer emailed. Yeah, no, but we're doing the Steve Charlin Spirit Award, the second annual. We'll be presenting that award in memory of our dear friend Steve Charlin, who unfortunately is no longer with us except in spirit. and it's going to be a big, you know, it's going to be a dinner. The tickets will be on sale soon. There's going to be more tickets available. Drinks and dinner, actually. We're moving into a bigger hall, drinks and dinner, this year. A bigger hall? How many people are going to? I think it's 90. Maybe 20 this year will be able to fit. Well, no, last year there was, like, what, 40 people? Yeah. 60. 60 people? So half again as much this year. That's going to be quite a bit bigger. 69? I just remember There was a beer line and a wine line last year. So the wine might go to the point?
    99:14
    No, I just got the wine to have something to drink while I was standing in the beer line. I wanted to tell you that John Stanley story. I talked about this on our episode where I got the, our show tagline that I say at the end of each show, was from the original Bob Wilkins Creature Features. When they go to commercial break, they'd have like a picture of Bob Wilkins and like Frankenstein Monster, Teacher from the Black Lagoon, or a zombie or something like that. And it would have his tagline, watch horror films, keep America strong. So with that, this has been episode 18 of the Spinner's Lit Pinball Podcast. My favorite horror film is Showgirls. I don't know about you guys, but that's a good one. So everybody, stay safe out there. Go out, play pinball on location. play pinball at your home at friends homes support local pinball promote it be a good pin ambassador we'll hopefully see all your smiley faces at the Golden State Pinball Festival play pinball keep America strong eat pinball breathe pinball sleep pinball and be a pin bastard swim pinball and anything else you can possibly do pinball that was fun good episode We need to get really more of you One of those statements was not accurate How about a beer? Pin Bastard? No Pin Bastard That was a good episode I'm sure that