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Episode 167 – Bill Of Potatoes

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 44m·analyzed·May 20, 2021
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt discusses Mandalorian pinball announcement and Stephanie Guida's move to Rochester.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale host Slam Tilt Podcast episode 167 with guest Stephanie Guida, discussing her move to Rochester and the newly announced Star Wars: Mandalorian pinball machine by Stern. The episode covers Mandalorian's three-tier pricing ($9,000 for Pro/Premium/LE), designer Brian Eddy and programmer RJ (who also worked on Star Wars), the premium's rotating helmet playfield, and various mechanical features. They also discuss Joe Balzer joining Home Pin to set up manufacturing in Taiwan, and touch on secondary market pricing issues with LE machines.

Key Claims

  • Joe Balzer is joining Home Pin to set up their production line in Taiwan

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discuss Balzer's manufacturing expertise from Jersey Jack and American Pinball, and his new role at Home Pin requiring travel to Taiwan

  • Mandalorian LE machines sold out almost immediately after announcement, with some under 5 available through Stern Insider program

    high confidence · Bruce and Ron discuss sellout speed and Stern Insider exclusivity, comparing to Spooky's approach

  • Gina Carano was removed from Mandalorian game artwork due to cancellation, with her character replaced

    medium confidence · Ron notes her original artwork placement and discusses removal/replacement rather than complete rework

  • Premium version features rotating helmet playfield that changes difficulty as game progresses

    high confidence · Multiple references to Dwight Sullivan interview describing gravity/difficulty changes during gameplay

  • Mandalorian uses same $9,000 pricing as Led Zeppelin across all tiers

    high confidence · Direct pricing comparison made by Bruce and Ron during discussion

  • Distributors including Betson are marking up LE prices above MSRP to capture secondary market profits

    high confidence · Bruce explains distributor rationale and notes Betson as example; mentions some vendors running auctions

  • Stephanie Guida is moving to Rochester to be near Ron and Zach as part of Rochester Pinball Collective community

    high confidence · Bruce intentionally got her on podcast to announce move; discussed extensively as main personal news segment

Notable Quotes

  • “So Joe Balzer is now going to be at Home Pin. So he's going to set up their production line again now in Taiwan and make all these great games.”

    Ron Hallett @ early — Announces major manufacturing industry move; Balzer's role as production/manufacturing specialist

  • “Well, they want a piece of the pie also. They want to make some money. So their thinking is, well, if I'm selling this for $9,000 and Joe Schmo leaves it in the box that I shipped it to him and sells it for $12,000. Why does he make the money while I do all the work?”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid — Explains distributor justification for LE price markups; reveals market dynamics

  • “I'm moving to Rochester, and he wanted to make sure he was not the last to know, which he is not the last to know.”

    Stephanie Guida @ early — Main personal announcement of episode; explains Bruce's motivation for having her on

  • “I like that the power activated up and down scoop changes the ball path... It's almost like Championship Pub. It's got a swinging bell, like AC/DC.”

    Stephanie Guida @ late — Guest provides game mechanic analysis and historical comparisons

  • “Bill of potatoes. The bill of potatoes? I was actually coughing. I was really saying bill of materials. I like bill of potatoes better. I think we have episode title.”

    Ron Hallett / Bruce Nightingale @ mid — Humorous mishearing becomes episode title; shows casual nature of podcast naming

  • “They just put him [Luke Skywalker] on the artwork for no reason... No, he's not. No, I'm sure he's not.”

    Ron Hallett @ mid — Playful speculation about Mandalorian series crossover content on game

  • “It's the head. Look at the shape of it and hate your life. It's his helmet.”

    Stephanie Guida @ late — Humorous observation about rotating helmet playfield design looking like anatomical shape

  • “I'm not as batshit crazy about it as a lot of people are. I think it's one of those deals where a lot of the Star Wars stuff lately has sucked so bad that anything that is remotely competent is seen as like the greatest thing ever.”

Entities

Stephanie GuidapersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonStar Wars: MandaloriangameStern PinballcompanyBrian EddypersonRJpersonJoe BalzerpersonHome PincompanyRochester Pinball Collective

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Distributor pricing autonomy and secondary market exploitation raising transparency and brand control questions for manufacturers

    medium · Bruce discusses whether Stern will implement MSRP pricing ceiling similar to automotive industry; notes internet visibility making pricing practices transparent

  • ?

    community_signal: Star Wars theme continues to demonstrate strong market demand for pinball; 750 LE units sold out nearly immediately

    high · Ron and Bruce discuss sellout speed and Star Wars' proven sales strength for Stern; 750 LE allocation noted

  • ?

    competitive_signal: New 'Impossible Play' mode introduced in Mandalorian limiting ball hold time on flipper, forcing continuous flipping; predicted to become future Pin Clash format

    medium · Detailed explanation of Impossible Play mechanic; Steph and Ron predict competitive tournament adoption similar to Pin Clash

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Brian Eddy appears to have responded to Stranger Things criticism (too similar to Attack from Mars) by creating distinctly different playfield layout for Mandalorian

    medium · Ron notes Eddy likely said 'okay, you got in my case for Stranger Things being too much like Attack from Mars. I'm going to make something completely different this time'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Gina Carano character removed from Mandalorian game artwork due to actress cancellation; likely replaced rather than complete playfield redesign

    medium · Ron notes timing of artwork development (year prior), discusses likely removal vs replacement strategy, speculates on final character placement

Transcript

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0:00
Excuse me, who's that sitting next to Butthead? Uh, this is my wife. Wanna see her naked? Come on, Butthead. Remember our little talk about sexism? Okay. She's like one of those, you know, made-to-order brides. I think she's foreign.
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Good morning, everyone in TV and radio land. That makes no sense, but okay. This is episode 167. Wow. As I said last time, it's like if we go two hours each episode, So that's like 320 hours over that of content. You've been stuck with me. It's also over four times that in editing.
1:10
That's all that means to me. How do you do it? Not willingly, but yes, I do it. You're a better man than me. I know that. And we're not alone today. What? We have a guest. We do have a guest. Would you like to introduce this guest, Mr. Hallett, with your golden voice, the Ginger Award winner? Oh, the Reach Around Ginger Award winner? Yes. Our guest this week is the pinball princess, Stephanie Guida. Good morning. Hi, Steph. How are you doing? Long time, long here from on the show. We do talk always on regular other ways, but we wanted to get you on. Yeah, I haven't heard you guys or I haven't been with you guys since, what, the Clusterfuck? The cluster buck? That's like three. I mean, what's the last time you were on a non-cluster buck episode? Oh, way before that, so that's what I wanted her on. We had to rectify this. Yes, wrecked them. I hardly knew her. Oh, God. I knew I was going to make a rectifier for a joke, but I didn't know that.
2:14
We diverged. Oh, that's a common thing. Oh, I know. What's been going on, Steph, since the last time you were on? Anything exciting other than a pandemic? Oh, other than the plague. Okay.

Ron Hallett @ late — Critical perspective on Star Wars IP quality and inflated pinball machine reception

organization
Dwight Sullivanperson
Tom Caperaperson
Randy Martinezperson
Jerry Thompsonperson
Carl Weathersperson
Gina Caranoperson
Bill Burrperson
Betsoncompany
Spooky Pinballcompany
This Week in Pinballmedia
  • $

    market_signal: Distributors including major player Betson marking up LE machines above MSRP, with community visibility of pricing differences

    high · Bruce explains distributor profit incentive; names Betson as notable price bumper; mentions Internet transparency of pricing practices

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Team composition for Mandalorian differs from typical Stern approach; RJ (programmer) paired with Brian Eddy (designer) despite different previous working relationships

    medium · Ron notes 'they've been kind of going with the teams lately so this kind is different than their usual team' and 'if you know how crazy a Star Wars fan he is that's actually not a surprise'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Joe Balzer moves from freelance/previous roles to Home Pin as manufacturing setup specialist for Taiwan production facility

    high · Ron and Bruce discuss Balzer's appointment, his manufacturing background at Jersey Jack and American Pinball, and Taiwan relocation requirement

  • $

    market_signal: Mandalorian maintains $9,000 MSRP across all tiers matching Led Zeppelin; LE units sold out nearly immediately with secondary market prices reaching $12,000+

    high · Bruce notes same pricing as Led Zeppelin; discusses distributor markup rationale and secondary market evidence

  • ?

    announcement: Stern Pinball officially announces Star Wars: Mandalorian with full reveal videos showing Pro, Premium, and LE tiers

    high · Multiple references to official reveal trailers, LE/Premium/Pro specific videos, and accessories trailer; Brian Eddy confirmed as designer

  • ?

    product_strategy: Mandalorian Premium tier features exclusive rotating helmet playfield with difficulty scaling; Pro features single flipper upper playfield; LE includes magnet feature on Grogu

    high · Detailed discussion of playfield mechanics, flipper configurations, and scoop features across tiers; reference to Dwight Sullivan interview

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Mandalorian Premium machines will be unavailable for extended period after initial release until 2022 due to production constraints

    medium · Ron states 'by the time this airs premiums will not be available after this until 2022 because the whole sellout'

    • 2:30
    Games you bought? Games you now own? That's true. You have. Did you even have any games the last time you were on here? Yes. I think you had Sea Witch. Yeah, I definitely had Sea Witch by that point. The last time I was on. Did I have Black Rose? No. What? Are you serious? Yep, serious. So you're telling me, oh boy, I don't know what's been longer. the last time that I remembered a clean switch or the last time I was on slam tilt because I have neglected to clean and wax my games for like at least two years now. Oh boy, that's not good. Yeah, I'm bad. I have to rectify for that. That's a lot of work. So yeah, I have a second game now. Valley Black Rose. Recently discovered or realized that it has a prototype ROM in it. Oh, wow. Yeah, the more you know. And it's just the two games right now. Is there plans for more in the future? I mean, never say never. You know how these things go. You know, games just kind of happen. I have the slight handicap of not really being able to move a game by myself. I can barely handle a back box by myself, let alone a full cabinet. So that's kind of been one of the major limiting factors. If she only had friends local around to her, that could actually help her move games. Or a gym membership, and she started power lifting. Exactly. Yeah, right?
    4:12
    Yeah, no, like, when I got Rose, I called on a couple friends to help me, but, like... Well, now she'll have really dedicated friends that will help her. Yeah, I'm probably dedicated friends that'll help me find the games in the first place, then convince me to buy them, and then practically deliver them to my door. Okay. So that they're leveled. What's wrong with that? And then help me when something immediately breaks.
    4:36
    I don't want that at all. No, that's great. So, Bruce, are you trying to lead the conversation somewhere? I'm trying, and it is not working. It is like...
    4:46
    Basically, the reason Bruce poked me to get on here in the first place is, I'm moving to Rochester, and he wanted to make sure he was not the last to know, which he is not the last to know. I want to underline that. Woo-hoo! No, she is moving up here to Rochester to join me and Zach in our adventures. She's going to be enjoying our beautiful weather up here.
    5:11
    Not hot as balls, hopefully. We've never had a 100-degree day weather since I've been up here. Sign me the fuck up. No, but you'll – no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't forget we get negative 30 up here. Yeah, yeah. As long as my heat don't break, I don't care. Exactly. That's the way of looking at it. If my heat breaks, well, then – You're a skeptical because it'll be really cold. I think I've got more free labor at the Rochester Pinball Cooperative now. Yeah, although you might have accidentally gotten a free breaks everything. or... Nah. That's the Rochester Pinball Collective, Bruce. I'm glad I'm here to tell you how to say the name of your own organization correctly. No, actually, it's LLC at the end, so we both said it wrong. Yeah, comma LLC.
    6:02
    Okay. Yes, so if you want to be a bullbuster, I can be one right back. Right there in the comma, or did you guys issue the comma? I don't know if we did or did not. I think it might be... Hang on.
    6:14
    I'm literally Googling it right now. Give me like, yep, you are organized Rochester Pinball Collective, LLSA. Okay. Okay, Bruce.
    6:30
    I've realized when we get the repairs, I realize I have to do a lot of work on certain things, and we will go into that when we get there. But first we have to talk about the most important thing besides Steph moving up to Rochester.
    6:43
    Yes, you're right. Joe Balzer is now going to be at Home Pin. So he's going to set up their production line again now in Taiwan and make all these great games. Yeah, well, you said to me, not on the podcast, that you thought you would be a great choice for setting up a line because he did that at Jersey Jack. Two places. Yeah, and American. Yes. Everyone thinks of him as a designer, but. He is really a manufacturing genius when it comes to, but. You knowledged me. I didn't know this. Yes. So he really did set up two lines. And I think he actually helped with Stern a little bit when they moved from one location to a location. That's where he first got his knowledge from. So he's really been involved with a lot of that stuff. So it was a surprise because now he has to go to Taiwan, which really sucks. But I was hoping that, you know, Steve. Is he actually going to Taiwan? I think so. For a couple times, I think he'll probably have to. I'm assuming because he's going to. I bet he's going to love Zoom. Can you move me? So, yeah, you usually got to be hands-on for manufacturing. And maybe it will help them.
    7:54
    I've always thought that HomePin is not really a pinball manufacturer. They want to be a pinball supply parts guy, person. Company, thing. Yeah. Well, we don't know that because we still have the stuff that's not even available in this country that they sell. Well, they're Thunderbirds. No, I'm talking about the parts. Well, just think of the games. The Thunderbirds, the zombie game. And they have the new one. The car one. Porsche? Yeah, there goes Porsche.
    8:26
    Yeah. You can only say so much of yeah before you go. Okay, we're next subject. Yeah. Next subject. Mandalorian. Yes. Who here has actually watched The Mandalorian? Nope. I have. I love it. Two seasons. Love Bill Burr. He's on the game. I saw it. Wow, I never thought I would see a universe where Bill Burr was on a pinball machine. But there he is. It is. He got on, but someone else didn't. Yeah, she got kicked off. Gina Carano was canceled and officially off of the game, too. It's funny. When I look at the artwork, I'm trying to figure out, like, what Lester character is on the game where it's like, oh, it's weird that this person's on the game, and that would have been where she would have been. Yeah. Because you know she was on the artwork originally. Well, of course. Because, I mean, they started developing the art like a year ago. So she would have been on there. And I doubt they did a total rework, so they probably just, like, removed her and plop, put someone else in the place. Yeah. Maybe it was Bill Burr. No, I would assume he was always supposed to be on there.
    9:34
    Maybe it's one of the random people in masks. So what do we think? Of the game. Have we all seen it? Have we all seen the videos and everything else? Yes. I'm looking at the This Week in Pinball right now. I mean, I saw the trailer drop, but... Yeah, they did the same thing for the last release. They dropped... Well, first they had the teaser, which we mentioned in our last episode. We said by the time our episode airs, it'll probably be announced, and it was. Yep. Amazing report.
    10:04
    And then that was just the teaser trailer with no actual game footage or anything. Then, like a week later, we had the actual reveal where they had, and the same way they did it last time, they had the overall reveal trailer. Then they had specific trailers for the LE Premium and for the Pro. And then they had the accessories trailer, which I don't think they showed a top or anything. So I guess that's coming later. But the interesting thing is it's Brian Eddy, which we all guessed because he's next in line. but the programmer is going to be right which if you know how crazy a Star Wars fan he is that's actually not a surprise but they've been kind of going with the teams lately so this kind of is different than their usual team but what do you think about that Bruce I know how much you love Star Wars dead silence yep you must edit out some of that silence because that's a good five or six seconds. Nope, that's the way it is all the time. Okay. My podcast player might edit out the silence then because, wow. That's exactly how it is. Well, Steph listens to all our podcasts at like 3X.
    11:27
    I listen to you guys at 1X, and I have recently tried to enforce the habit of listening to all pinball podcasts at 1X. Wow. I'm trying to be good. I listen to 1X, you know, when you get old.
    11:40
    I'm looking at the pictures here. I love the artwork. Oh, I love the artwork. The artwork is incredible. Which artwork package do we like the best? We always have, like, what has the best translate? What has the best cabinet? What has the best? I like the premium all the way around. I do like the premium. I like the premium all the way around.
    12:01
    They all look fine. Now, the funny thing is when they released this video, they showed the Pro, and then they showed the Premium. Why didn't they show the LE, Ron? I don't know. Probably because they sold out before anyone even had a chance. Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right. That actually would be kind of stupid to show that. Here's the LE you can't buy. Well, they did. Here's the other funny thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. If you weren't a stern insider, you may want to be in the future. Yes. They released, I guess, maybe five or ten. They said, we have a couple extra LEs. Yeah, I think it was less than five. But they almost took a note from Spooky, from Haggis, where if you're in their insider, the one you actually pay for, insider program, you had the opportunity to get an LE for probably all of half a second. Yes. I think it was gone in five minutes. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about the L. Let's go right for the shit show. Yeah. So the pricing on this is the same as Led Zeppelin. Yes, $9,000. However, the LEs have been selling for more. Why is that, Bruce? What's going on with those distributors? Well, they want a piece of the pie also. They want to make some money.
    13:20
    So their thinking is, well, if I'm selling this for $9,000 and Joe Schmo leaves it in the box that I shipped it to him and sells it for $12,000. Why does he make the money while I do all the work? So let me bump up the price if I can. And some are. Some aren't.
    13:39
    Yeah. And the interesting thing is, with the Internet, everyone's going to know who is the price bumper and who is not the price bumper. Oh, yeah. Betson was. A couple others were. I'm not going to. But Betson is one of the biggest distributors I know for countrywide. They have offices all over the country, so you can bring them up as the easy one to hit. But there are other vendors out there that have posted and saying, hey, I have still LEs in my collection, but they are blah, blah, blah. Like, I think I know one vendor who didn't take any orders under LEs. And then they had another one who did an auction. Yes. That did not go over well. No. And I don't know if that even goes against... Yeah, does Stern have like a max ceiling? I mean, at some point, Stern might be like, hey... Because Ford's done that, and so has Chrysler with some of their cars where, you know, oh, hey, we're selling this super rare car, you know, and it's $20,000 over. And no, you're going to sell this around the list because guess what? We want these cars to be out there.
    14:46
    Maybe they will put that pressure on. I actually don't mind when they make a little bit of money on it because distributors don't make a lot on selling pinball machines. I think everyone thinks they make a killing, but distributors don't make a ton of money. Yeah, everyone thinks everyone makes a killing. Everyone thinks that way more games are sold than are actually sold. It's like everyone in this hobby just has this way overshooting what things actually are. Yeah, so that's the LE fun. But the other ones are the same price, folks.
    15:19
    I mean, and the thing is they sold out, like it was sold out beforehand. I mean, as soon as Mandalorian was rumored, you had, what did you say, like a month ago? I mean, everyone got on waiting lists and boom. I mean, it was sold out instantly.
    15:36
    It was surprising. So when's your LE coming? No. No, no, no. You are one of the biggest Star Wars nuts I know. I haven't even seen Season 2 yet. I saw Episode 1 of Season 2, and I still get to see the other ones. Wow. Let's talk about the game. Steph, you're at your L.E. of course, right?
    15:59
    Yeah, sure. We'll go with that. Okay. Baby Yoda's on there, yes. I'm sorry, Grogu. I guess that's the name, right? Grogu, yeah. Oh, I'm on the game I am. Yes! So, yeah, they have a big Yoda sculpt, which everyone seemed disappointed that it didn't do anything. I don't know what they really expected it to do. I didn't expect it to catch, like, the hand would be the magnet and, like, pull it up and... Pull it up into his tiny hand and somehow not break. Yes. Or be animatronic and just make the bill of materials insane. Yeah. Yeah, no. No. This is not Funhouse. He's not going to, like, talk and you're not going to bash him. Put the ball in his mouth. Oh, God. Just make it with T-Rex. There you go. Yeah. That's it. The ball comes out.
    16:51
    But I'm looking at the upper play field. There is the upper play field. And for the pro, there's one flipper. And for the premium LE, there are two flippers. And the play field rotates. On the premium LE, yes. It goes up and down. Yes. Access, what do we call it? Horizontal access. so it tips vertically. Just think of like Banzai Run. It's at the end, yes. I'm a simple girl. That just makes me giggle because it's like, helmet play field.
    17:24
    My helmet's rolling. So if they did Spaceballs, you'd have to have now the dark helmet play field. Oh, God, yes. That's what we need to have. Wouldn't it have to have something that moves up and then falls down and Tommies it? Because isn't that what happens in Spaceballs? His helmet keeps falling over his eyes. Your helmet is as big as mine. No, your shorts is as big as mine. I know, but I'm saying your helmet is as big as mine. Oh, God. Your helmet is so big. Yeah. No, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again. Don't get me going. Now we're talking about Spaceballs. Like, what's my Spaceballs game? The Spaceballs Mandalorian Grogu is wearing plaid.
    18:03
    Actually, you could do a re-theme on this. Baby Yoda is yogurt. Yes. You'd have the dark helmet mini play field. You change the ship to the Winnebago. Wow, it's right there. We got it. We have made millions of more dollars for CERN. You're welcome.
    18:23
    More money for Kerry. The pro is these crisscrossing habit trails that are actually plastic. Yeah, which is kind of weird. It's been a while since I've seen anything like that. It's bringing back visions of...
    18:36
    Yeah, Bally 68. 803, plastic awesomeness. Yeah, or Williams, Road Kings. Hey, I like Road Kings. I know you do, but still, it just brings back that memory of, like, you know, I can see that game in two years at a location being all cloudy.
    18:54
    Like, ugh. Yeah. I mean, the play field looks, I mean, it almost looks like Brian Eddy was there, like, okay, you got in my case for Stranger Things being too much like Attack from Mars. I'm going to make something completely different this time. Which it is. It looks like it's in your face, though. Yeah, the shit starts, like, about halfway up the play field, the shots start.
    19:15
    Almost a little bit like Black Knight sort of rage, where if you miss something, hang on, because it's going right back at you. Only two pop-upers. Yep. They say it's on the bill of potatoes. The bill of potatoes? The bill of potatoes.
    19:33
    I was actually coughing. I was really saying bill of materials. I like bill of potatoes better. I think we have episode title. Yeah, Bill of Potatoes.
    19:42
    Luke Skywalker's on it, which kind of, that spoiled it for us all. Now I know he's on the show. No, he's not. No, I'm sure he's not. They just put him on the artwork for no reason. Marty from Final Round Podcast is on the game. Yes, yes, he is. He is on there. Marty's on there. It looks just like him. He's right above Bill Burr. Who's Bill Burr?
    20:05
    He's a stand-up comedian. He's in a comedian out of Boston who is on the opening show a ton, and he does F is for Family. Oh, yeah, I forgot he's on that show, yeah. I love that fucking show. Oh, my God. Steph, if you have, like, a full couple weekends after you move and you want the funniest shit from the 70s, like, it's a 70s. It's him growing up in the 70s. No, I thought it was 80s. No, it's 70s. Okay. Well, he's the dad, right? He's the dad. Yeah. Oh, my fucking God. and all the swearing and everything like that. Or, Steph, what you do, just look up Bill Burr Philly rant. Oh, yeah. Just look that up, and you will see the best evisceration of a live crowd you will ever hear.
    20:50
    It goes on for like 15 minutes of just insulting a Philadelphia crowd, which is awesome. And it's Philadelphia, so that makes perfect sense. Well, yeah, that was the thing because it was like a comedy festival, and they were heckling the shit out of all the comedians. So he kind of had enough and, yeah. Just went off. Oh, it was incredible. Yep. So I'm looking at the premium now. Okay. With the helmet play field that pivots.
    21:16
    I really like this in that at first I thought it just had, like, two positions. Like, it's either vertical or, you know, or regular. No, it moves all over the place. Like, and I've heard interviews with Dwight Sullivan where he said, it's going to move and make shots harder, like, as you progress. So it's going to change gravity as you get further into the game. And that is super interesting to me. This is becoming more and more of a penis joke the further we go in. Yes, it keeps on growing and moving and, you know. Getting harder. Yes. And you can flip it around with your balls. You can flip it around with your balls.
    21:55
    You got balls, you got flippers, and you got helmet. Now I can't unsee this as a penis. This has just ruined the video play field for me forever. So the helmet play field is a penis now? Yeah. Oh. It's the head. Look at the shape of it and hate your life. It's his helmet.
    22:15
    And the balls all go down to the bottom always, and you can flip them and slap them around a little bit. Now, not only do I have to keep Bruce in order, I have to keep the guests in order here.
    22:25
    Wow. I love it. So. Is it in your repertoires? Is it coming, Ron, to level zero? Level zero. Stop saying ground zero. It is ground zero. Excuse me. Level zero, yes.
    22:38
    I don't know. I've got to play it. I know. Honestly, by the first look of it, I'm very interested in it. It looks really cool. Well, it makes me scared.
    22:49
    Oh, wait. Okay. White coat. Oh, will you stop? Dwight's awesome. We've got Brian Eddies is the designer. We've got Dwight Sullivan on coat. Tom Capera, the designer of the awesome glove and Johnny Mnemonic. He is the lead mechanical engineer, so I'm confident the toys will be cool. Randy Martinez is the artist. He did the comic book edition, the comic art for Star Wars. Jerry Thompson, so you know the sound is going to be awesome. The part I love is voice work. Carl Weathers, Apollo Creed, man. I know. He's going to be doing the Apollo Creed. I'm psyched. Because the Mandalorian himself would be the last person I'd want to do call-outs just because, I mean, if you listen to the show, I mean, his voice isn't clear because he's talking through the mask, you know. It's like, whatever the hell it sounds like. Carl Weathers is a better choice. It's just like on Spider-Man where you had Jameson, which is much better than if you tried to have Spider- What's his name? Peter Parker do it. Yes. Yeah. So that excites me. So I can see you coming. You're getting a premium. I'm, you know, I like Mandalorian, I'm not as batshit crazy about it as a lot of people are I think it's one of those deals where a lot of the Star Wars stuff lately has sucked so bad that anything that is remotely competent is seen as like the greatest thing ever Yeah, you know, Star Wars, Trimble Machine I totally agree with you No, I'm talking about movies, dork No, I'm talking about everything in Star Wars Yeah, okay Well, think about it, what is the last Dwight Sullivan game I've owned?
    24:25
    I don't know, Bruce. What's the last Dwight Sullivan game you've owned? Star Trek Next Generation. Wait a minute. How about just Star Trek?
    24:35
    Well, he finished it. In the beginning, it wasn't him. That is true. You would have sold it if you knew he was on it. Is that it? No. It's got a good shot, so. But if you told me to leave the designer, you know, that it really turns me off. I don't like his... But it's Brian Eddy. It's your man. It is. I like Brian Eddy and I hope this one is different. I want it to be a shout out and it looks like it's a little bit different than just the cookie cutter that he's always done. That he's always done. You mean those awesome Stranger Things which he made to be kind of like AFM? Mm. The awesome Stranger Things, Bruce? Mm-hmm. I already have an AFM. It's called AFM. I like that. I already have AFM. I missed all the half-pads. Sorry, it's the truth. So, Stephen, you played any Stranger Things? I played it at Jack Bar exactly once before, you know, a couple more times. And it was so memorable. Well, was it a pro or a premium? It was a pro. Oh, then it doesn't matter. And it was right after it was released, I hear. Oh, yeah, no. Yeah.
    25:42
    It's got to be minimum, premium, UV kit, latest code. Otherwise, it's just not worth it. Which Stern still has not listened to us and still... The UV kit's still not available. Well, they're not selling the game anymore at this point. I think they still have pros out there. There's a couple pros from distributors. Why don't you want a pro when you don't have the projector? Thank you. Yeah, you need the projector. Well, what do we think about the differences between pro and premium in this one? Is it a big enough difference that like you got to have the premium For So the differences are the metal Abitrail dual flippers Well, yeah, the entire helmet or penis play field, as you're calling it, it pivots on the premium.
    26:27
    Force III, the play field. Force III instead of Force II. I just got that. I'm going to stop saying premium LE because no one can get an F in LE. So it's really Pro or Premium. You can get it on eBay. Oh, Jesus. Okay, yeah. Yeah, people are already – I've seen people putting them out there or selling their spot. Like, I have a spot now for an LE I'd like to sell or trade. Yeah. I mean, the Pro looks like it'd be pretty good. Oh, it's okay.
    26:57
    Yeah, so I think Premium is definitely the way on this game. But we'll have to see. It's the way. This is the way. It is the way. but uh dead flip is going to have it on i think next week the 21st right yeah 21st i heard somewhere it's going to be a premium so we shall see so by the time this airs premiums will not be available after this until 2022 because the whole sellout so uh by the time i get this episode out uh it It probably will be before the stream. Oh, did you say yes? Yes. Oh. You know what? I'm looking at the limited edition play field, and look at the overhead shot of the play field. See the pricing card where it says Star Wars Mandalorian? You notice how it's almost coming out because it's not in there correctly? Yeah. Like in the bottom right corner. Yeah. My OCD is going off like, how could you do that? It's the LE, you know, the pricing card, you know, has the four things you put, the four corners go into the slot. It's like that because it's not, like, it's on an angle. Oh, why did you have to put that out? See, look at the rule card on the left. It's fine, but that is off. See, you need more OCD people to help you with those pictures because they would have been like, nope, got to fix that and retake the picture. One thing I do love about the Mandalorian LE cabinet, gray legs.
    28:31
    Yeah, it's got to match his armor. And it matches almost like the original Stern colored legs from Stern Electronics. You would stern, man. Does it have something on the side that looks like Star Trek LE? Yeah, but it just looks like cutouts of the thing. But I don't know what it is. Maybe it's like, oh, maybe it's semen. What?
    28:53
    It's like sprinkling. Look, it's quickly. Okay. Did they take that from Quicksilver? Stop. So because this is a Dwight game, it's got co-op, which I love co-op. I think co-ops are being every game. But it's got co-op. But he put something in it called impossible play. See, there is a new feature called impossible play where the game is set to very hard.
    29:18
    No, nothing there. And the ball won't. You told us to stop. What the fuck? And the ball won't strap up on the flipper for very long, only a couple seconds. Then you have to recharge it. You have to slap your flipper. So it basically makes the game super hard, and it makes it so you can't really strap up for any length of time. Okay, I got that. So what do you think about that? I mean, it fits Bruce's play style. Yeah, it fits Bruce's play style. You could be the impossible play king. you can show the impossible as possible I like it I like the idea and from what Dwight said about it it's not like the flippers get weaker or anything it's like you just have a certain amount of time that the flipper will you can hold it up before it will warn you it'll like alarm you like it's about to die you better flip I like that I think that could be cool for like parties you know get-togethers and stuff you could play in a possible play. Bet you that's going to be like the next Pin Clash or the eventual Pin Clash. What, impossible play version? I'd like to see that. Yeah. Impossible play. Nothing that's trapping crap. Yeah, trapping crap sucks. Yeah, all these damn high-level players and all their trapping. I can't comment. I've still never played in Avengers.
    30:43
    Well, that's going to be corrected soon. Yes, it will. Because you're going into the land where every home collector has every freaking LE and shit. So you'll be all set. Ah!
    30:55
    Rod Chester. Anything else on Mandalorian other than I can't wait to play it? I can't wait to play it. I'm very excited about it. I like that the power activated up and down scoop changes the ball path. Oh, yes. Yes. It's got, yes, scoop that actually goes up and down. That looks pretty neat. It's almost like, what's it called, Championship Pub. It's got a The Champion Pub, by the way. No one says that. Don't feel bad. No one says that name right, ever. It's got like a swinging bell, like ACDC. Yep. It's like a target thing. It has a pirate attack multi-ball, which I kind of hope has fencing cows in it. Fencing cows. Well, it's a Dwight game, so it probably will have a video mode somewhere.
    31:39
    Fencing cows. Isn't that great? Fencing cows. Actually, did Turtles have a video mode? I don't think so. No, it had the button mode. Oh. We have a PC eating mode. I think video modes have been issued for action button modes. Wow. And Lloyd Sullivan said that was Borg's idea, the pizza eating. So don't blame him, Bruce. I almost forgot. The premium in front of Yoda. I'm sorry. Grogu. There's a magnet. He has a magnet. The idea is he has the force and he makes the ball go down a lane. and you have 750 LE models well you did you had they're all sold out 750 so they know where their bread's butter with Star Wars man, Star Wars sells and you got an actual good Star Wars product for once I can't say that because they did the original trilogy. They haven't done any prequel or postquel like Star Wars. Yeah, they know better. Wait, were you talking about the quality of the license or the quality of the machine? I was talking more like episode one. Why would you do that? Every time he talks about how good Star Wars is. Star Wars is awesome. It's incredible.
    33:05
    You can clip all you want, dude. as I slaughter your ass on Star Wars again. It was awesome. Moving the multipliers. Action button awesomeness. God, Star Wars. I hate people. It's too stop and go. The game is not stop and go at all. Not stop and go. The entire game is designed to get you to not trap up, to flip. It still sucks.
    33:31
    What do you think, Steph? You could be the tiebreaker here. He always tries to use tiebreakers. Yeah. It still sucks. What do you think? Does it suck? Is it terrible, Steph? No. There you go. I win. Yes.
    33:45
    Thank you, Steph. All right. Yeah, I think that's it. I mean, it's the This Week in Pinball. Hi, Jeff. Has a breakdown of all the different modes and all that stuff. But honestly, I start to, like, space out when I read all that stuff because I know I won't understand any of it. Oh, are you kidding? It looks awesome.
    34:04
    Like. Yeah, it looks awesome. but I will zone out, and I'll need to play it like 200 times before any of that sticks in my brain. I just have to remember not to look at the LCD screen during whatever Ice Spider Multi-Ball is, because spiders stress me out. Oh, so Scared Skip, probably not a game for you.
    34:25
    At least you don't have to flip while looking at the spider. More concerning is the spider in the theater and dialed in. That freaks me out way too much. And there's spider targets. Was that necessary? So, Scared Stiff, what could we change the spider to that would be? What if we made it a big bumblebee or a beetle or something else, some other insect? Bees are fine. How about a Veskar helmet? The penis, you know. Again with the penis.
    34:56
    All right, whatever. Let me check that off. Mandalorian. Can't wait to play it. Yeah, like the hands of fate or something. I don't know. All the hands. I'm trying to think when I would get to play it. I know our distributor has a pro on order by us. Maybe Keeler will get one. That might be it. But I know, guess what, I get to play it soon because one of the people in the co-op is getting an LE. So, Steph, you'll get to play it before Ron. Oh, shit. Yeah, it's going to be great. You're going to love Rochester. You'll get to play everything before Ron. Cool. I get to play AIQ, GNR, all the stuff I haven't gotten to play. Do you guys have a hospital up there?
    35:39
    In Buffalo, there's one. It's only an hour away. It's not that far. Oh, it's great. Holy shit. And you get to play a Big Lebowski also. Another one? Cool. I get to play two Big Lebowskis in my lifetime. Yeah, see? Maybe one will work. This one does work pretty good. The one in Sunshine worked when I played it. There was a side tournament on it. And I'm pretty sure it made it through the whole side tournament. Well, speaking of games working, let's talk about this past Friday, IE Pinball, as Carl did as well, had a – he streamed Alien, the Pinball Brothers version. I guess Ace Goge, which is a – what are they again, like a Korean – It's a Korean barbecue place, which I could go for right now. It's all-you-can-eat goge, which – yes, please. Yes, Ace, all-you-can-eat. Yes, stands for it. so they have pinball games there. And he streams pre-COVID. He streamed from there a lot. They had, like, one of the first Rick and Mortys. Well, they got an alien. Pinball Brothers alien. So I was looking forward to this. This was late Friday. I think everyone was, like, woo-hoo. Oh, yeah. They had, like, over 100 people watching. Yep. And I just wanted to see because I've told the alien story how I've played multiple aliens, something always breaks, or I couldn't see anything or I had not gotten the full awesome alien experience that I keep hearing about. So you're going to see this stream and it's going to be the best alien ever, ready to go. The stream was fine, but it looked like the alien had a lot of the same issues that it's always had. Yes. From what I saw in the two hours I watched it, it reset twice. It had an instance where it just, the person was up and it never put a ball in the shooter lane. They kept putting in ball service. It just wouldn't start. They had to reset it. The coolest feature of the game, the xenomorph lock thing, the way it's supposed to work, there's a xenomorph head, and there's a magnet in front of it. And what's supposed to happen, there's two targets under the xenomorph head. You hit them enough times, and then the magnet's supposed to grab the ball. Xenomorph opens its mouth, and its tongue comes out, which is a magnet, grabs the ball, and brings it into the xenomorph's head. That's what's supposed to happen. I watched two hours. I never saw it work. Never saw it work once. It was the same deal it usually is. You hit the target. The magnet in front of the xenomorph head would not catch the ball, so then the tongue would just come out, and there was nothing for it to do, and it would just go back in. Never saw it work. For some reason, their stand-up targets, instead of just using leaf switches like they've used for, you know, 40, 50 years that seem to work good, they use micro switches like on the stand-ups. So they had one of the stand-ups that just didn't work. It kept saying it was closed at all times when it wasn't. And just miscellaneous mechanical issues. The flippers. Here's the funny thing. So the stream starts, and I'm watching them shoot this thing. It's like the flippers look kind of weak.
    38:49
    And someone in the chat is like, how's the flipper power? And Carl's there. It's somewhat soft is what he used the terminology for. It's like it's good enough to make the shots. It's not just good. It's good enough. It's good. Well, it gets better. So they play for like an hour, and then they're like, we need to increase the flipper power. So let's get into the menu. So they get into the menu, and the way they do the flipper power, it's not like a set number. It's just like the settings are default, and then 10% stronger, 15% stronger, 20%, 25%. Looks like it went up to 25% stronger. and then the same thing for weaker, you know, 10% weaker, 15% weaker. So guess what the flippers were set at just before they did anything? Negative 10. No, no, no. Probably 100%. No, they were set to 15% stronger. So they were already set to stronger when they were soft. So they jacked it up a little bit. So it looks like, again, we have another deal where the flippers are not strong enough Or they could be stronger, I guess. No, I can tell you exactly what the problem is, Ron. I've already fixed it. Oh, you've already fixed it? What's the problem, Bruce? Where was it made? Yeah, where is it made? Isn't it like in Italy? Yeah, that's right. I was going to say, it's made in a jukebox factory in Italy somewhere. And they use 230 volts, 50 hertz. So there's your problem. Yeah, but I would think they'd make the game for American Voltage, Bruce. No, they probably do, but they weren't testing it in American Voltage. Okay. That's what I bet you the problem is. They probably weren't thinking along those lines.
    40:31
    But when it did work, it looked cool. Oh, yeah, it looked great. Definitely the strength of that game are the modes.
    40:37
    All the modes are unique. They all look really cool. They all follow the movies. Yes. They're super interesting. That's definitely... And yours is coming soon for that, right? I can see where our own Zach, it's like one of the games he really wants or whatever. He loves Alien. It's on the order list. He is? Yes, he is. What? Zach is on the order list for Alien? Yes. Really? That's news to me. Oh, boy. Yes, he told me.
    41:05
    I don't know. When it works, it looks like it's cool. But we have one at least coming up for Rochester, the guy that buys all the LEs. He is getting one. Yeah, Alien guy. Alien Guy. That's what we call him. You get to play another one.
    41:21
    You get to play another game. And I get to play Zack's old Avengers that he sold to Alien Guy. Yeah, see? So this is how good this game is. This is how good this area is. Oh, I know.
    41:32
    Wait a minute. Zack sold his Avengers already? Yes, it's gone. Yeah. I was about to kill him, and then he's like, no, I sold it to Alien Guy. I was like, oh, okay. So he had that all of two months? He was trying for the thing, and then he realized that it wasn't fun, Yeah, he got it. He figured he would try it for the pin clash contest. Never even submitted anything because it just wasn't fun doing whatever that was. So then he didn't really like it and sold it. Yeah. Typical Zach. Yes. I didn't even get up there to play it. I played it once at his house only. Yeah, I prefer the premium. The pro definitely has like a barren look to it compared to the premium. It's not like Jurassic Park where you look at the Pro and the Premium, they both look packed. It definitely doesn't look as packed. Yeah. All right. So that was the Alien stream. But, yeah, it just looked like it had a lot of the same buggy-type issues that it always had, which I was hoping that it wouldn't have. Here's your sign that your game sucks.
    42:36
    It doesn't suck. It just has some issues. issues that we've had now for three and a half years because it's the same company.
    42:45
    Yeah. Well, speaking of flippers, that doesn't even make sense. Whatever. We've been talking about helmets and balls. Well, no. What we've been talking about is flipper power. Yes. And I want to put some actual science to this. Dun, dun, dun. Well, you want to co-opt some actual science. Yeah, I want to co-opt some actual science that Zach did. Yes. Because on our last podcast, we were talking about how all these manufacturers are using, like, the Williams flipper parts, yet the flippers don't, they're not, they don't feel like Williams. How the Jersey Jack ones feel weak, specifically, and stuff like that. So Zach decided to put a scope on some of these games and test, just test some of it to see if he could find anything. So what he found was interesting. And I don't know what kind of scope this is. It's a good one. or what it's called. A oscilloscope? Yeah, a oscilloscope. It's a nice digital one that's two range. I think it was going up to 200 megahertz. And everyone's falling asleep right now. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Are you kidding? I'm waking up. Keep going. So basically what he wanted to do is measure the pulse. When you hit the flipper button, how long is the pulse that it sends to the flipper when it fires? with the actual, not holding the flipper, but just when you're actually flipping. When you're actually flipping. There's a command in the code that tells how long to fire the flipper. So the first one, just go right to the classic Williams 90s game. What does it do? The ones that everyone said the flippers are great. And it's 40 milliseconds. So it does like a 40-millisecond pulse to the flipper. So then we move over. Let's try Data East, like do a Data East game.
    44:34
    40 milliseconds. Like, oh, okay, same. So then he went to a stern. Classic stern or a newer stern? It was a newer stern, I think, just like a recent stern, which we all seem to like their flippers if we feel they're pretty snappy. 40 milliseconds, again. Wow.
    44:51
    So then he went to, I believe it had to be dialed in, because that's the only Jersey Jack you guys have. Yes, it is. Guess what the reading was. I know what the reading was. Okay. The reading was 30 milliseconds. Yes. 10 milliseconds less than the other ones.
    45:10
    Why? And I'm sure people get like, well, your testing was faulty or whatever. Well, it wasn't my testing. But at a basic level, I thought that was pretty interesting. Just at the simplest level, it just doesn't pulse it as long. And I think even if you change the power, it's still not going to change the pulse. It's actually just the pulse. The power of the pulse, not the length of the pulse. Yes. I just wanted to put some actual, you know, some science that was done to what we've been saying. But I think that's interesting. I'm waiting for the e-mails. No, you didn't do it right. You did it wrong, or it's different, or you can't go by that. And that's true, and I will send all those e-mails to Zach and let him deal with it. You'll have to have him back on to defend his science. To defend his science, yes. He'll have to make a video when we stream. The golden.
    45:59
    The golden stream. Very good, Bruce. Thank you. That took me a minute. He's still not fully awake, are you saying?
    46:07
    No, I only had half my coffee. Oh, well, that's the sucky thing. I have mine right next to me. I'm done with it. I had half a cup from yesterday. Huh? I got myself a cup to go because I went to Rock Fantasy yesterday. Taylor finally has his ep in the shop. He has a pro there, though, right? Yeah, the premium is... He's got all the premiums and stuff at his house right now. Because he got them all during COVID. Although he did post, I think GNR is going to go there around August times. Okay. I got to say, it was hopping there yesterday. It really warmed my heart to see, like, I mean, Sav and Tally were there because Zeppelin was there. But also there were a lot of casuals. People who asked me, where do you get change? And people who didn't realize that they still had a ball left to play. Like, just people wandering into the shop playing pinball, which both from pinball exposure and support the hell out of rock fantasy because it's awesome perspectives was really good to see. Because everyone's freaking sick of being home.
    47:15
    Yeah, that probably is. Which, I mean, look, go out and play pinball. Go forth if you feel up to it. If you feel safe. Yeah, if you feel safe. Hey, CDC says rock and roll. Yeah, the CDC says that. But New York State doesn't say that. No, no. Your favorite governor. We would not let anybody take mask off.
    47:39
    Put your mask on. Wait, wait. Is he German? I thought he was Italian. No, he's still got some German in him, you know. He's got German in him. He is like Mussolini. He is really Mussolini and German. He is the access. He really is. So he's, what is he, Adolf Cuomolini? Is that what you're going to call him? He's Cuomolini.
    48:11
    We have to prove our own science. Wait a second. You were complaining that, okay, now you got me going on this. He was going to flip the E.C., made two hard rules in the beginning, and he was going to follow them right away. Then when CDC changes the rules and he doesn't like them, we have to now prove that the science is right. Huh? Well, also, the CDC basically said you can take your mask off, but you still wear it for travel. Yeah, travel, going to the hospital. Or in crowded areas. And when you think about, well, New York City is basically just one huge crowded area. Like, you're not going to walk down a street and not be in a crowd there. Yeah, he said you can also use them in nursing homes. Oh, he's a. Oh, my God. He went there. Oh, they're all the time. Bruce was like, he is the biggest Cuomo hater, I think, ever. Oh, he's an idiot. How about his dad? How did you feel about his dad? Oh, you mean the dude that they renamed the Tappan Zee Bridge after? Yeah, that's, yeah. Mooch. Mooch 1 and Mooch 2. And you know they tried to then put the bridge on the license plate as a big ego trap. Of course they did. Why do you think they changed it on the license plate to Excelsior? Instead of the Empire State, because that was his idea to use Excelsior, because it makes it so there's no other governor had this on his plates. He's a mooch. A mooch. Okay. Yes. All right.
    49:39
    Okay, off the corner. New York governors have a history of being jackasses. I mean, let's be real. Pataki wasn't an asshole. I don't even remember him. Yeah, I was just like 10. I know, but he wasn't an a-hole. He actually held. And he's the one that went through 9-11 and did everything he could to make sure all the stuff was good for Ground Zero and everything like that. He actually did more help than Giuliani did, which we won't go into Giuliani because he's a whack job, too.
    50:11
    Yeah, I'm going to plead the I was literally 10. There you go. Let's get off of that thing, Bruce. Ah! Okay. Yeah, check the Cuomo rant off. Yeah, that wasn't even on here, but yes, yes. Why didn't you have that on? You should really have that on the checklist. You know Bruce. You know how easy it is to get him on the checklist. You're not really asking, are you? You are not.
    50:39
    All right, let's go to the ball bag. There we go. Because most of them are actually answers to your question from last week. No. Bruce, why don't you tell them what was your question from last week? Which manufacturer? No, it wasn't which manufacturer. It was just what game had the – yeah, let me try it. What game had the first color DMD? Yes.
    51:05
    Factory. I said factory. From the factory, yeah. Not like what was the game that coloredmd.com made a color DMD for first.
    51:13
    So the answer – well, the first email we got. Was the right answer. It was the right answer. James says, Simpsons Pinball Party is my guest.
    51:25
    And people are going, huh? What do you mean? Huh? What color DMD in it? Yeah, where's the color DMD, butthole? It's in the TV. What TV? Up on the upper play field telling you what to do. Oh, wait a minute. They had that same TV in Monopoly. They had it in High Roller Casino. Monochrome. Oh.
    51:47
    First color one, Simpsons Pinball Party. I think you're right. And so is James. And guess what James gets? A free entry to the Rochester Pinball Collective. And you know why James gets this? Because he's in Australia. He's local. So congratulations, James. Next time I see you, you get a free entry into the RPC. Very nice. But how many people did answer that? There was a lot. Then like three hours later after that one. So three hours late, we have Soren. Hi, Soren. Hi. Siron I must say it right That is the correct pronunciation He guessed the Simpsons pinball party Yep Not surprising that he got that right Let see Scott, our own Scott, he had a comment about Zach's game from last week. He said, clearly the object of Zach's game was to piss you guys off. And it was perfect. I still have to listen to that. I am excited. No. I love when I got him on the magnet save thing.
    52:51
    So a magnet that saves the ball. Oh, just any magnet that saves the ball. Golden eye. Yeah. Alice Cooper. I mean, I guess. No. Wow. Yeah. So you got him on a technicality. Oh, yeah. You got Mr. I-get-you-on-technicalities on a technicality. Yeah. Wow. Dr. John from Australia. He has a name suggestion for Zach's homebrew. He says, surely a name like Tickle My Chips would be acceptable. I cannot see Zach saying, oh, here's my new game, tickle my chips. Why are we tickling chips? I don't get it. It's a thing, like when you're playing your chips on your table, you know, you're playing with the chips, you know.
    53:36
    It's when they roll them around their fingers and stuff. Is that what that is? Or what you're, you know. Yeah, someone will send us a message that we're wrong on that, too. There's a term for fiddling with your chips. Ah. For everything. There's a term for everything. Dr. John also guessed, is it Simpsons Pinball Party? So he got it right. Wow, a lot of people get it right. And you, Zach, didn't. Tony emailed us. He guessed, is it Attack from Mars? No. It's not. That was one of the first colored DMD for colored DMD. Probably. Yeah. David emails us. He says, hi, boys. Hope all is well. The episodes have been really great. Not a whole lot for me to send other than a name for Zach's homebrew. Zach's to open.
    54:22
    Ooh, now that I like. He would never do that because it has his name in it, but yeah, Zach's to open. Yeah. It's a good pun. It is a very good pun. He says, oh, yeah, also I'm getting another stars. Remember we had the episode help Daniel get a stars. Well, he's getting another one. This one is a fresh set of paint on the cabinet and clear on the play field. Excited to pick it up next month. See what you guys do to people? I have six games and two of them are stars.
    54:50
    That sounds like a good problem to have. That's a good problem. You need one for each floor of your house. Yes, and the garage. Each room? What are you talking about? Doesn't everyone have a bathroom star?
    55:01
    Oh, bathroom star. Dave from New Zealand. He says, the first production game with a colored dot matrix was Rob Zombie. Which I thought that's what I said, but you said I was wrong. We're wrong.
    55:15
    But, Dave, you're wrong. We're sorry. It was actually in the manual for Simpsons. It actually does call it as a display-color. But didn't you guys say that Rob Zombie wasn't dot matrix or something? Because I thought I said that. Yeah, he isn't really a dot matrix. It's like a weird hybrid. It's like it's a screen, but it's not a screen. It's a screen, but it's not a screen? It's like an LCD, but a weak, like a really crappy LCD. So it looks kind of like Zombie. It's really terrible. Okay. It could be the full size, yes, but not what I was going for. and it wasn't the real first one. Okay. You got beat up by many years. Mm-hmm. Many, many wonderful years in the academy. So the ball bag has been emptied. Ah. I got to start writing in again. Yes, you do. All right. Well, let's get to our Rochester Pinball Collective segment. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. That's kind of your repair segment at this point. It is repair segment. Big thing is, I realized I need to buy more rectifier boards.
    56:18
    Rector, I hardly knew her. Is that a drinking game? Because that's like the second time. Yes, it is. Everyone drink when you hear rectum. Me too. No.
    56:30
    I don't know. A lot of my GI and a lot of my insert lights are weak. Are your ballys and sterns? Yeah, two were ones I just got in. They were Pinball and Memory Lane. They're very weak. So I want to replace them, and then I want to replace some of the Sea Witch still as an original one. Yeah, don't screw with Sea Witch. That thing plays obscenely fast. Don't touch it in any way. Oh, does it? Yes, it does. Oh, my God, it's the fastest Sea Witch you'll ever... It's Sea Witch on steroids.
    57:06
    It's... Was it that fast at the bar? It's Papa level fast. Let's put it that way. The one we played at Replay FX. Yeah. This thing is like, well, breaks shit fast. Yes, it does break shit. And a couple others. So I'm going to be buying five of them. Now we're in the discussion of do I buy the complete ones or do I buy the put-together ones? What's the difference between a complete and a put-together one? It's like a rector set. You've got to put it all together, all the parts on the board. All the parts come loose and you put them on the board. Put together as in you have to put together, not as in already put together. Okay. You have 45 games at the co-op. I would get the ones that are already assembled if we spend enough time. Yeah, what's the point? Just get the goddamn things assembled. It's one of the cheaper boards you can get. And I'm going to get the Weebly at once. Unless you wanted to have, like, rectifier board assembly lines, which, I mean, I can solder. Here you go, Steph. Here's the soldering iron. We need this done in 10 minutes. Get it done. 10 minutes? Uh-uh. He said assembly line. Yeah, but, like, I was assuming that other people who are much better at soldering than I would come and do that stuff. So you would just solder, like, one thing and then it would go to the next person and then to the next person. Yeah, and preferably I solder the thing that's least likely to screw everything up if I somehow fail. Because I've only ever done board-level soldering with Zach's supervision.
    58:32
    I hate soldering. I hate board soldering. Oh, my God, I love it. I'm too inexperienced to have an opinion. We had a battery blow up on AFM, but no acid damage to the board. You need to upgrade. You need an EPROM upgrade on that one. No.
    58:50
    What do you mean no? No. Do you know why the reason was four years ago? You're running 1.1 instead of 1.1.3. There is a coin op version of 1.1.3. It's 1.1.3b. I know, but four years ago, there was not a version. I think it, no, it existed four years ago. Look at the date it was uploaded to IPDB. I guarantee you it's more than that. That was a whole contentious, contentious, is that even a word thing? Contentious. Contentious, yeah, thank you. Contentious because remember they had the home ROM of Twilight Zone that was free play only. They had the home ROM of AFM that was free play only. And people like hacked them and did coin versions of it, which pissed certain people off. Yes, they did. But they are IPDB. Well, I'll be expecting the burn ROM from you soon, then. Okay. Bring it out next week. It requires a larger EEPROM, but you don't have to do any jumper settings, thank God. There you go. You got your job for the week. No, my other job is I'm bringing all the streaming shit. I know you are. So we got to get the ceiling ready. Yep, the ceiling is this week's my job. I got to find power up there for you, big boy. Yeah. what we're going to do is basically, it's just like a T-bar. It's the same thing I have it on here, but like upside down.
    60:09
    Attached to the ceiling. And actually, the rod that they clamp to... Yes, let me try that again. The rod that they clamp to, it doesn't have to be as thick as the one that...
    60:23
    The diameter doesn't have to be... Okay, let's just listen to Bruce Lass making this hilarious. I didn't know what business Rod was. I'm just trying to think of other terminology. Sorry, Rod, I know I'm making fun, but oh, look. Your dog is moaning on a Sunday. What's another word for Rod I can say? The diameter of – The shaft. No, the thingy. I have a thingy. I have a little boy on the thingy.
    60:49
    Well, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it when we're there. But, yes, I have all the cabling. basically we would just see like a search strip of some kind in the ceiling because there's three things that have to plug in the ceiling is there's one problem with that and there's a problem i have to figure out which lights it has to hook up to because if you don't want the thing to be off if one set of lights are on but you don't want it to be on when another side you know because i have to figure out power when it's flipped on can't you get like just power from somewhere else and use a really long extension cord? That's illegal. You're not allowed to use extension cords in ceilings.
    61:28
    Okay. You have to use cabling. You have to. You're going to need three outlets. Three? Yeah, three. There's three receivers.
    61:38
    I want to be a tight end soon. Oh, I'm in silly mode right now. I can completely derail you. There's someone weed whacking off right up top.
    61:52
    Sorry, Ron. You're welcome. I hate you all. I love you guys, and you know it. I love this.
    62:07
    But Dragonfist, we figured out why we... Well, we don't know... We know what is causing the problem with the sound on Dragonfist. It's Dragonfist. The background sounds are distorted. but they're not from the soundboard. It's coming from the CPU. I put a different CPU in for like a Weebly or a multi-Weebly or a multi-Altek. Clear as a bell. The original NOS one, you know, my original board that's still in there,
    62:37
    all the staticky and crappy, even though the background sounds on Dragon Fist suck. So I just have it turned off right now. Okay. A lot of broken wires you've been finding lately. We flipped over Zach's, what's his wood rail that he has there? Straight shooter or not straight? Yeah, straight shooter. Straight shooter. And we flipped it over and we replaced every light socket on it. So now they all work. That took about an hour.
    63:06
    A lot of repairs. I got to do flippers on memory lane. I have to do a lot of stuff to pinball. That thing's pretty much an abortion.
    63:15
    It's a what? It is. It's an abortion. Oh, you mean the game pinball? Oh, yes, yes. Okay. Why did Stern do that? That's just such a bad name. Do you mean an abomination?
    63:30
    Stern Electronics quotes pinball. There you go. Now I know what you're talking about. All right. Yes. I did a repair.
    63:39
    Johnny Mnemonic. It's funny what the little thing that can cause so many issues. Well, Bruce would remember this. Remember when I did the stream and the drop target just kept trying to, even though it was down, it kept trying to put itself down over and over again when it was already down? Yeah. The issue was the diode had come off of the switch slightly. So sometimes it would touch, sometimes it wouldn't. Yeah. And I think that, honestly, was also causing my issues with the glove occasionally dropping the ball because I think when the diode would jiggle, it would screw up the drop target And the game would get confused and just kill the magnet, and the ball would just drop off the glove. Yeah, why is my magnet on? Oh, we've got to turn this off because something else is going on. Yeah, so I started that back on, and boom, Johnny working great. Johnny on the spot. Yep.
    64:31
    And that's it. Our date now is the 12th of June. We've kicked it back, and not because of us. It's because of the town. We are trying to get our CO, and they are just dragging their feet. Ugh.
    64:46
    Certificate of Occupancy. Yeah. I remember this because I've been catching up on Slant Hilt episodes. I'll be there for the party. So the 12th, huh? Yep, that's the plan. Although the 12th, that weekend, that's when we usually record, so that's going to be an issue. Live from the co-op. Yeah, we'll have to do live from the co-op episode, like on a Saturday or something. Yeah, just bring your snow ball and we'll all talk into it like we did last time. Mm-hmm. Oh, I have repairs, by the way. Cool. Ooh. Well, I have a past repair saga, and I have a current thing that I need you guys help with. Which should I start with? Past first. Okay. The success or the failures.
    65:30
    So this happened, of course, like right before the plague hit, so I couldn't have someone just casually come over and help me. So as a result, it took Black Rose out for like at least six months, because when things break, I'm really slow about getting up the courage to fix them all by myself. Basically, my ball popper, the thing that shoots the ball down the habit trail down the middle, it started not working. And it was like, okay.
    66:06
    And then my ball lockup stopped working. It was like, okay. so I was like wondering did something weird happen? Is there like a daisy chain failure here? You know, instantly panicking, fearing the worst. Zach probably, possibly Ron, guiding me through like trying to diagnose what the hell was going on. Eventually come to figure out the ball popper, the linkage, it's plastic. I think Ron, you had this issue. The exact same issue. Yeah, same thing happened to me where it snapped. so that meant that I would have to replace a plunger a thing with a coil which is like very intimidating to me and the thing you got to remember listeners step is what four four ten and a half I'm five feet on tippy toes so four ten and a half so yes so she has a situation where you have black rose which is not a pivot it's it's just pivoted you can't pull it to the play field out. You can't get at stuff easily. And she has to reach all the way down to the bottom part of the play field with the play field up and try to screw with this thing whilst probably standing on something, I would assume, to get in that bar. I'm pretty sure I was on a step stool. Yeah. So it's extremely, it's difficult anyway. Like it's a pain in the ass when I do it. Yeah. So that was a physical issue, but the ball lockup could not figure out what it was. Eventually I had to undergo the harrowing saga of unpinning all of the connectors on that board the board board and then I started unscrewing the screws that hold the board in during like an OCPC Zoom call because during the early pandemic we were doing that and Ron's watching me because I turned my camera to do this during the call and Ron goes you need to just lift that up right? Yeah you don't have to take the screws completely out I'm taking all the school taxes. That's when he mentions this. So I'm pretty sure one of the screws is still lost in the cabinet somewhere in the back where I can't reach. But I basically had to take the board out, give it to Ron at some point so he could take it up to Zach to diagnose it. Because when in doubt, we asked Zach. Zach was like, it's working fine. Yeah, we put it in his black rose and couldn't get it to fail. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. So then Ron brings it back. I put it in my rows, undergo the even more harrowing task of reconnecting everything.
    68:45
    This is a driver board, right? Yeah. I mean, luckily, Ron had mentioned, you want to write down which connector is which as you go. So I did that, and the board did not blow up, and the ball lockup started working. So it was like, woo-hoo, that's the really scary problem down. And you replaced the ball popper. Yeah, and then I had to replace the freaking ball popper, which I eventually got up the gumption to do it because I wanted to play some freaking Black Rose. It took me two hours. I think I had Zach and Ron, were you? Probably. Yeah, because the issue you had, number one, is just accessibility. Plus, it has that stupid metal pin. Oh, my God. You had to get in. Yeah. It took me hours to do the whole job. An hour of it was yelling that stupid pin. Weird thing, though, the coil was not that hard for me. I thought that putting the coil back together would be scary because I don't usually rebuild flippers and stuff. but that, I guess I've done it just enough times that, like, squeezing the coil stop against it and screwing it in has finally become second nature to me because I did that and was like, oh, wait, huh. Sounds to me like you're ready to disassemble the whole game. I think you're ready to do a play field swap. Yeah, full play field swap. No, no, no. Oh, God.
    70:16
    Yo, no, no. I need someone to spot me because I don't know if I can lift half that. Okay, so that's... What's your new issue? Yeah, what's the new issue? Okay, so I was playing it, and the ball drained, and nothing. Didn't finish the ball? Yeah, like, the out-hold didn't register. I was like, what the hell? It goes through ball search. Eventually, it registers. And this starts happening almost every time. Micro-switch. One of the three micro-switches. I was like... Yeah, I started looking at it, checking the out hole, as you do. Does it sit in the out hole when it drains, or does it fire it into the trough and then sit? I actually, I reached out to a couple of people, a couple of Black Rose owners, and of all people, Raymond Davidson was able to, like, point me in the right direction. And, yeah, so micro switches are the trough switches?
    71:15
    Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely, so the trough switch, it's that micro switch thingy, and then there's, like, a wire with a U that the ball pushes down. So what I've noticed is the U wire, I don't have a better term for it, it's sticking. Like, if I play with it, it'll stick down below such that the ball doesn't trigger it. So my guess is that. New micro switch. What? But why? Because they go bad? What do you mean it sticks, though? Does it, like, when you press it down, does it, yeah, but is it sticking or is it catching on one of the sides because it's not centered?
    71:57
    I don't know. It's probably sticking. Either the switch is sticking and the plastic's worn on the back of the micro switch. It's a lot easier stuff just to replace the micro switch. Well, don't listen to Bruce. You should have him replace it already. I would say, is it in the center of the slot? Is it hitting the slot? But also sometimes if you crank the micro switches too tight to the metal plate where they are mounted, it makes it so the wire form part doesn't freely move. I've had that happen also. Okay. It's 30 years old. Replace the – 30 years old. Okay. If the stuff I just said didn't work, then, yeah, replace the micro switch.
    72:39
    Okay. So, the micro switch tightness might have something to do with the free movement of the U-wire thingy? Again, you can loosen up the screws, just the two screws that hold it, and see if it actually frees up and moves up and down. Because it goes really close to the ball eject kicker, but it looks like there's about a millimeter between them, so that shouldn't affect its free movement. No, because it can't go front and back. All it is is this compressing against the holder of the switch. It's actually the metal plate that the switch screws into. And you can see repairs like this at the Rochester Pinball Collective's Twitch channel, which will be ROCPinball. Eventually. ROCPinball. Eventually. And you can see me and Zach argue. That's the whole reason I wanted to get this streaming gear, honestly. And you can see me in the background eating popcorn and enjoying myself immensely. Oh, we did find one wacky thing on Nineball.
    73:43
    The Nineball pop bumper was not working consistently again. We've had a lot of these turns. So Zach goes, let me see what's going on. And he's playing with it, and he's playing with the switch. And suddenly the pop bumper, you know, you get it so tight that it's hitting and firing the coil, you know. And he's like, oh, I've got to adjust it again. And he goes underneath there, and he's like, why is the coil moving a quarter inch? The screws were actually stripped out of the coil holder on the top side. The bracket. And it was actually moving the whole length.
    74:16
    Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah. Now it's a lot quieter. Mm-hmm. I have a note here. Memory lane slash pinball. That was the rectifiers. I have a note. it's less of a tech thing and more of a tech question.
    74:32
    So, like, two episodes ago, you guys were talking about running a tap through leg bolt holes. Can you explain this to me? Like, I'm five. What the hell does that mean? A tap is a cutting tool that will clean threads that are already made. So, say if you have a bolt that starts to bind up when you're putting a leg bolt in. You know, sometimes they bind up and they don't go in smooth. And what most people in the world do is just grab that bigger wrench or grab that wrench. Yeah, turn it harder. Yeah. Yes. I thought you were supposed to take it out and try it again. No, not even that. What you're supposed to do is take it out and then run a tap through it. What the tap does, it cleans up the threads or possibly recut new threads if the threads are so screwed up. And you work it back and forth until it goes smooth again. Then you've used a bolt, and it should go right through. If you strip it out completely, what you're doing is taking out the threads completely when you're cranking down on these regular leg bolts. Some people do. Then you'll need a new leg plate. Then you'll need a new leg plate because there's no metal to recut the tap threads with because it's been so boogered up and... Boogered up, yes. Yes, and when you take it out, the metal actually comes off. If you notice sometimes when you unthread a leg bolt, sometimes there's threads stuck, metal is stuck inside the threads. That's a bad thing. Yeah, but basically a tap is a tool. It's like you just hold it in your hand and you put it in. And it's not just for older games. I do it with every new stern I get. I did it with the Jersey Jack. Any game I'm getting for the first time, I run a tap through every leg bolt hole. Yes. So you both have one of these thingamabob. Oh, yeah, it's easy. Yeah. What's it, 5-8? 5-8 is red. I'm slightly surprised Zach didn't grab one when we went through our tool collecting expedition. Or maybe he did. It's not uncommon if you only have a couple machines, but it's more common when you have more machines. Yeah, and at this point I could just borrow one of yours. Yeah, it's only $7 or $8 a tap. That's all they are. It should be right next to your magnet, and it should be right next to your switch adjuster. Switch adjuster tool? Yes, exactly. Those are the three things you should definitely have easy access to. I don't think I even have a magnet. Whoops. Yeah, extending magnets are very good for you. Well, they're good for tournaments, too. Yes. Get that ball out of that stuck ball out. You got it. Mm-hmm. All right, that was a long repair segment there. Yes. I could just hear the listeners dropping. Like, literally, you hear them? Yeah, I can hear them falling down, falling asleep. Tech Boobies struggles through Black Rose. You're welcome for the nap. Tech and Tournament Talk are the two just ratings killers in podcast land. Yes, they are. What's next? That's all I got here other than mentioning that I'm on this other podcast called Silver Ball Chronicles. Check it out at the Pinball Network. Our latest episode is out. We talk about George Gomez, his early years, a lot of it in the arcade industry, and his pinball work at Williams. Yes. We have one more segment, Ron. Oh, we do. Our final segment? What is our final segment, Bruce?
    77:51
    Would you or would you not buy that? Or as some other person called it, market trends! It's not really market trends. And plus, I don't even call it that. I think it's called in the show notes, would we buy that or would we, which is never what we say, but I've never changed it. I wonder if anyone even looks at the show notes. No, of course not. I have a couple items on eBay. So what we do, folks, if you're new to the show or it's your first time hearing this segment. If you're new to the show, you're asking, who the hell is Zach? Who the hell are all these people you're talking about? Because you don't explain who any of them are. Then go back to the old shows. Go back to the old shows. Zach being your unofficial third co-host. But before we go into this just Roller Games is sold Yes congratulations to all of Scott Oh hey Our own Scott our friend of the show Scott Beats Stu up pretty good He came over He picked up the Roller Games. Stu McVicker, the 1978 Playboy Launch Party champion who likes to play pinball on my channel, he challenged Scott on those old classic sterns, and he got his ass handed to him. He lost three games to one. And you guys lost to me and Zach. Well, yeah. What? Yeah, you and Zach were playing the same games at the same time that Stu and Scott were playing the same games, because all the same games are at the co-op. Yes. After Stu, like, quit, and I took over. He ran upstairs. He left. He just took off. Yeah, then I played. Did he drive away in his Porsche? Yeah, I think he drove away in his Porsche. Yeah. And then I played Scott and beat him for the most part in most games. Yeah, including Rule the Universe. Yeah, we ended the stream. I ruled the universe with no extra balls. for the first time. That was nice. And you re-elected him. You were surprised when you saw the re-elected. Yeah, he actually says, when you put your initials in, you are re-elected to the Hall of Famer because it knew that I ruled the Units before because of the same initials. That's just a little code thing I thought was like, that's a nice touch right there. It's a nice touch for back in that day. Back in that day. Of course, that's Wyman, right, Bruce? Bow down. Bow down to the God. Yes, of course.
    80:05
    Alright. Would we or would we not buy that? So we go to eBay. I'll give you an item number. You can follow along at home if you're listening, or you can follow along on your phone. I actually have one person that follows along on his phone. He minimizes his podcatcher and listens still and follows along. Doesn't do it while driving, I hope. I hope he does. Wait, what? What?
    80:28
    Dude, you just, oh, dude. Okay, let's get on with it. I'm at eBay. Okay. Ticket number? This is stuff we sometimes find hilarious. Sometimes we would buy it. Sometimes we wouldn't buy it. Sometimes we have bought it. Well, and sometimes if we really want to buy it, we edit it out of the episode so no one else can buy it before we do. Yes, which might be a one or two for Ron on this one. Man, we suck. Okay, go ahead.
    80:58
    284-222-388-749. Fitting for the show. Oh, for fuck's sake. Oh, come on. Williams Coin Machine Lubricant. Pinball, jukebox, slot, MBI, instrument grease. Mm-hmm. It's used old coin, old stock coin, operation lubricant. It's used.
    81:26
    It has a little bit squeezed out of it, but probably 85% full. Oh, it's so expensive. I got it from a friend.
    81:43
    It's more for a collection than for use. Are you sure about that? So if you have a collection of half-used shit, like on a shelf, this is for you. Half-used lube collection? I don't want to go forward with that. I saw this and I was like, oh, my God. It gets better. Look above that, the description. It says, visit the store. Nicky D's Vintage Goodies.
    82:10
    It's only $10. You can buy it now. Wait a minute. $10 shipping is $6. I know. I saw this. I was dying. I've been waiting for this one, especially after this show. You've been waiting for this one, yes. Of course.
    82:28
    It's the Lube Show. Oh, God, no. Okay, Bruce. We do not buy that. No, I would not buy that. Okay. I'd be traumatized by that.
    82:41
    Can I put this on PayPal credit? Here we go. 203-447-167-405. This will be dear to both of your hearts.
    82:58
    Oh, yeah, there was one that... Sinbad. Yes. Rock Fantasy. That's great. The excellent Gottlieb game, which uses the excellent countdown rule set thing with the multipliers, which I love. Pretty worn now, unfortunately. Let's see. This is a very nice working Gottlieb Sinbad pinball machine. The pictures that were taken while the game was being shopped out. Why? Just do final pictures then. Yep. Let's see. Brand new placement CPU, which means it's probably that. I never remember the name. What's the System 1 one? Replacement course. Lizzie's? No, it's going to be the Wumpf. Or it's going to be the Flipper. Oh, Flipper Wumpf. Wumpf or Flipper. There's two different ones, yes. Ooh, that is some wear. The Playfield Tour is good, but has some small wears spots. Wears spelled W-A-R-E-S. Oh, you didn't see the It's All Ready to Go instead of All Ready?
    84:02
    Oh, yeah. There's a lot of wear. Yeah, there's a ton. Yeah. You like the game. I know you both like the game. I like the game. I've seen a lot of really good Zimbads that have much better play fields. Oh, yeah, totally. And this one's 1450. That's the starting bid. Yeah. Ready for the next one, guys. So, yes or no? No. Yeah.
    84:25
    No. Ticket number 393-312-592-944. And you can put these numbers in your search on your eBay, and it'll come to you like that. Oh, whoops. I was just doing the URL. Nope. You can do it right in the search or anything. Put the number in, and it's boom. The more you know. Ding, ding, ding. Pinball machine. Super Orbit. Gotta believe. 1983, Classic System 88, arcade game. Great. Great. I love this. Great. Tony the Tiger. Great.
    85:07
    Alright, let's look at, before I say the price, let's just look at it here. You know what the pictures aren't?
    85:13
    Great. No, the picture's terrible. First of all, the glasses on. Second of all, I just looked at the bonus and yikes. Yeah, I know. That's what I wanted to point out. That was the Yeah, oh, oh. Nobody's not good at, nobody's not good at touch-ups.
    85:30
    Oh, where's the bone? Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, between 50,000 and 20,000 there's some wear and you can just build it right in and touch-ups.
    85:43
    And no, it's also those zeros like are crooked. Yeah. Crooked and splotchy like I'm pretty sure that's old clumpy paint that he just like... I think he had a little shaky hand.
    85:57
    And the starting bid is a weirdo. It's $2,220.90. $0.99. Yeah. And with a buy it now price of $9,221.11. Oh, it's $29. You did dyslexia there.
    86:14
    Okay. I swear to God. $2,921.11. Yes. No. I wouldn't pay that if it was in good shape. Okay, ready for the next one. Come on, Bruce, are we going to have anything actually good or are these just going to be bad? I have a couple of backups if all of his are duds. Not duds. Trust me, I never have duds. I have backups anyway.
    86:39
    373-479-794-270. Zero. Star Wars Battle Pod Arcade Machine by Namco. Okay. Only $24,689. Plus it looks huge. It's huge. Now, you actually enter, if you look at this thing, on the left-hand side of the, you know, when you're looking at the picture on the thing, there's a big monitor in the back. On the left-hand side, you actually enter. You go inside this thing. and the screen is a behind you there's a big projector and it's actually almost like an 85 inch screen you're playing in. Free shipping Yes, free shipping and there's three available at this price if you've never played one of these things it's pretty freaking cool and they have other versions So this would be more for a location or something a huge family fun center as opposed to somebody's house. It's a cool game and you being a Star Wars nut I think you would be really interested in it because it does show some old stuff in it of the first three movies.
    87:49
    Well, it says battle pod. Isn't that from, like, the prequels? No, it is actually battle pod because it's pod shaped. It's, you know, you're inside the thing. Okay. I could see this as, like... Ron's new thing in his basement. Well, I was going to say that would be like someone's house. Like, let me live in this pod in someone's basement. Two more for me. You ready? I'm ready. 1-3-3-7-5-8-1-1-6-6-1-7.
    88:23
    Genie Pinball Machine. 1979 Gottlieb. Arcade free shipping. Fully serviced and plays 100% good condition. See pictures below. All new rubbers installed and new.
    88:39
    Backlashes, I'm flaking. It was serviced by professional pinball technicians. Okay. The shine shows that the inserts look like they have a teensy bit of cup in. I guess that's to be expected, though. Actually, is there a catch, Bruce? This looks really nice. This is a really nice-looking genie. I wonder how much this is. Where's the ball? Like, when's the ball going to drop? Like, yeah, where's this catch? like it's only five thousand dollars what i do like his seller name though five thousand dollars for that amount of wear at the very tippy top his seller name is a pinsider training i think it looks nice uh five thousand dollars is quite insane yeah no for five thousand dollars There's, like, it's worn down to the wood at the very top. At the very top. The rest of the play field is pretty nice. Yeah. No. It would have to be perfect and then some to pay fine. Upper right-hand side has kick-out wear also. Kick-out hole. Yeah. No. Check your holes. One last one.
    89:53
    402-843-867-798. another one yep Ron Sinbad it's another rare collectible even though they made a shit load of these vintage 1978 Gottlieb Sinbad pinball machine and the colors are just IPDB the lights are working yes lights are working currently not playing but turns on only on Long Island New York because Long Island isn't a million miles long or anything it's not called Long Island for a fucking reason or anything Where the fuck on the island is it? They put all these stickers on the front of the machine. I guess kids did. But the play field is very nice that you can see of it. That you can see because the lighting is terrible and it has the glass on. Yeah, but the back glass looks pretty good, too.
    90:46
    On the bottom, you can actually. Oh, my God, this glare, though. And the flippers are, if you look at them, the one shot that shows them. They're not looking too great. Oh, no. Also, nice mismatched rubbers. That's for the... And look at the red rubber. It's coming loose on that. Oh, yeah.
    91:06
    You lose her. All these but goodies. Yes, we bring that. And the drop target's on that right either. Oh, I can't even see the drop target, so... Last shot, the middle shot, they show all three sets of the drop target. Four shots. It is appropriate, though, because the price is $1,420. Yeah, he's on sea stoned. oh it's Woodbury New Jersey but it's pick up as long Woodbury New York oh Woodbury New York okay there you go not New Jersey wrong state no I would not buy that Bruce no I would buy it for $500 $600 yeah sure so you would buy it if we knocked off that one at the beginning yes exactly $420 would be great yeah $420 would be a great deal Okay, I have a couple. Okay, give me two seconds. They may not be as funny, but... What? Okay, go ahead. I tried. Okay.
    92:07
    333-998-011-482. Ugh. Rare, hard-to-find 1977 Wico, big type, or Wico, big top pinball machine. See it working in a video.
    92:28
    It's up over by Buffalo in Akron. It's only $500. It's cheap. Yeah, look at that second picture, though. Look at the Fleur Vision. Yes, it looks like Francesco was famous for these wonderful blurry pictures. Wow, the bottom. The flippers are really misaligned, and it's Fleur Vision.
    92:49
    Are those even the same type of flipper? Yeah, they're. Yeah, they're just a little off. I mean, it actually looks in decent shape. I mean, man, what were they thinking with the cabinet, though? They have, like, weird reset ball lift buttons on the front. It just looks weird. It's from Child World. Child's World, Child's World, let's take a look and see. Child's World, Child's World, everything a toy store should be. Wait. Wait, is that an actual thing? I thought you were going to get some vulgar, really inappropriate thing. No, that was a commercial from Child's World, which was a competitor of Toys R Us. Wow. And that's actually part of the song from the commercial. And they had Timbo machines in the 70s? What the hell? I don't know. Yeah. That's awesome. Child's World. Yeah, so it's like a home model then. That's why it doesn't have a coin door. Yeah, it doesn't have a coin door.
    93:45
    It's interesting. and there's a video and there's pictures. And he's up front about the things that need repair or replacement. I mean, would we buy that? No, but if you have a kid who might want their own home version pinball machine, there you go. So Child World closed in 1992.
    94:06
    Okay, so that's why I don't know what it is. Yeah. I didn't know what it was either. I wonder if that was in your area. We just had Toys R Us's here. No, New Jersey.
    94:18
    They had them down in New Jersey. Yeah. Massachusetts. But, I mean, I never saw one. We had Toys R Us in KB's toy stores. That's all we had here.
    94:29
    Anything else on your list, Steph? I have four whole things. Oh, four. Whoa. We're going all over time. I wanted to bring you on, then.
    94:38
    Okay. Three, three, three. Nine, nine, nine. 754-529. Oh, God. The old Valley Hang Glider. First, look at the pictures. Second, please look at the description.
    94:59
    Place, but will need TLC cleaning and adjustments, needs to be played. This is a local pickup, and you can play it as long as you like on pickup. has some paint-missing scratches, has some wear and tear, W-A-R-E and T-A-R-E. Look at all pictures and make sure you want it, because this is sold as is. You want it, big boy.
    95:28
    It does not come without warranty. No rebounds. Thanks. All right. Let's see the... First, it's a crappy game. Oh, it's a terrible game. I mean, what pictures are, I mean, you can barely see what's going on. There's like one. Oh, my God, there's terrible. You can't see anything. Is this like worst pictures ever? No. No, we've had some where we couldn't even tell anything. My favorite is the back glass that was literally just a glass. Yeah. With some paint barely on it. This back glass is starting that way because the bottom is almost gone. Oh, the bottom is almost gone. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool. $1,550. No, we would not buy that.
    96:12
    No doctor game. We are not buying it. Okay, next. Okay. 1-1-4-7-8-2-8-2-5-6-2-6. I'm convinced there's no good deals out there anymore. Okay, we have a 1980 Bally Space Invaders pinball machine. classic LEDs, super nice example. Yeah, I love those classic LEDs. I love the, so the description is all in caps, like it's shouting. I can't even read this. It's too long. Oh, my God. It's like a blur. Yeah, yeah. No.
    96:54
    Well, that's the classic video game of the same name. I didn't call it a movie. Oh, we lost. Yeah, yeah, it's all. Oh, but Deep Drive Display and our Jupiter Florida showroom for the pinball dudes.
    97:05
    Pinball, it sounds like Hulk got pinball dudes, brother. We're giving you some pinball, man. Pinball dudes, we're the dudettes. But isn't Hulk Hogan already Robert Mueller? So which other wrestler would you use? I don't know wrestlers, so, like, I'm going to need you to. You should learn them. That's what you need. That's Ric Flair, right? Yeah, see, you know wrestlers. Okay, the play does look nice. I know some people that are listening to, like, top row pinball, and, you know, you kind of figure stuff out after a while. It's got clown LED. It's got, like, all purple on one side, all green on the other side. Ah. It does look really nice, though. Yeah, one of the nicer play fields. Yep. Only $3,500. Take a look at the pics just to see how cool the backless affect is with the LED lights installed. Affect, yes. And it's $500 shipping.
    97:59
    $500. And there's a lot of wear on this thing on the play field. $3,500 for a game they made $10,000 of. Unfortunately. This is the highest production wide body that Valley did. I'm sorry. Did that just say that? Okay.
    98:14
    Yeah. It's got the. Yeah. Okay. One more. Woo-hoo. Okay. We got 3-3-3-9-9-8-7-8-5-6-5-8. Hmm. Monterey? Monterey. Well, that's not a school, though, is it? Is that a school? Yeah, Monterey. Monterey, California. Monterey Pinball Machine. There are some Montereys that are 1R and some that are 2. There are multiple Montereys out there. Works great. Excellent condition. No flippers. Made in 1948. It's one of the earliest pinball machines with flippers, it says, though.
    99:01
    Where? I don't see the flippers. They're up there. It's not, they're not in the typical thing. It looks like. Oh, I know. I can't even see because of the fucking glare.
    99:13
    Well, if you look right next to the glare, you can sort of see it. Oh, it's, they're way up at the top. Yeah, and they're, like, really in a weird... Weird, yeah. They are pointing towards each other, towards a saucer. It's got wear, but it has been shopped. All new rubbers. How would the flipping even work? Because that looks like it's flipping down. I don't know how it would work. Like, you're just flipping it into that... Oh, I think it's meant to flip it into that sling to bounce it up into the saucer. Like, that's the only way that would make sense. But Seth did find the best deal of the day.
    99:52
    $550. Yeah. For an old wood rail, if it works, that's been shopped. I don't know if it's fun at all. Oh, every wood rail is fun. Oh, I'm sure every wood rail is fun. Every wood rail is as good as balls of poppin'. We need one of those. We do. Get Zach on that. No, he's been looking. Oh, okay. get you on that because you're good at finding things yeah i do and also if zach needs someone to help him drive across the country it's extremely rare man i mean i only saw it at california extreme they had it and it was the same one they had a couple times i think i've only seen one other one and i go to like every freaking show it is super rare yes i think that was the best deal yeah that was the best deal the best deal was a wood rail from 1948 what does that tell you about eBay? The fucking pricing is just going through the effing roof. The pricing is insane. We thought we caused the problem with Stearns. Now just the idioticity just went across the whole board. So we caused the problem with everything. Yes. So you started the fire, but now you didn't start the fire. It was all in burn. And since my crotch was You're earning. Oh, God.
    101:11
    You're saying we didn't start the fire. Games have always been overpriced. In some ways, yes. Yes. All right.
    101:19
    This has been the E.U.N.O. episode. Although I guess that's every episode. This is Slant Tilt. Yes. This has been episode 167. We are the Slant Tilt Podcast. Thanks for Steph Guida for being on this week's episode. Yeah, thank you guys for having me. I miss you guys. We miss you, too, and we're going to get you on more. We miss hearing you on podcasts. You know, we know the Riftide is no longer. Yeah, it's an indefinite hiatus because the plague just made it too depressing, man. What were we supposed to do, sit there and cry for an hour over a silver bowl? Because that was all that was going to happen. You know that. But you've got to figure it out. We bore through it. We bear through everything, yes. Ron, how do they get in touch with us? They can get in touch with us by emailing us at slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. You can also go to slamtillpodcast.com, see all our wonderful previous episodes, and you can check out the upper right-hand corner. It has the links to many of our other awesome content, including YouTube videos and Twitch. I Twitch generally every Tuesday at 8 p.m. Eastern time. and I was going to do Attack from Mars this week, but since I just ruled the universe, I'm going to have to pick another game. So thanks to everyone out there. Check out Top Row Pinball. Again, he asked us to plug him, so we'll continue plugging Top Row Pinball. Hi, Flyer164. Flyer164, Robert Byers. Hi, Steve Bowden. Hi, Zach. Hi, our own Zach. Thank you, Jeff and Marty, for having us on. Yes, by the time this airs, Actually, I don't know if that will air yet. Usually Wednesday, probably the same day. Okay. Usually they drop Wednesday. Around the time this airs. We're going to be on a final round pinball podcast. I'm looking forward to that. We had a great time. It's the first time I've been on, and I know for the first time for you being on, for the new show. The last time I was on was episode 80 of Head to Head. That tells you how long I was on. And for you, it was even longer. So it was nice to hear from the boys. I miss those guys. poor Jeff's still in lockdown in Canada. Oh, Canada.
    103:37
    We can't get out of here. Plague's killing us. Wow, what a positive way to end. We're good at that. Yeah, we're good at that. But thanks to everybody for listening. We'll see you next time. Hey, Bruce. Yeah. Say goodbye. Goodbye, Frank Guida. Bye, Dad. Oh my, my, oh my, my, can you go away, can you fly? Oh my, my, oh my, my, I don't need to keep you alive.
    104:32
    Oh my.