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The Spinner is Lit - Episode 7: Raiders of the Lost Warehouse

The Spinner Is Lit Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 23m·analyzed·Jun 19, 2017
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TL;DR

Drew Nicholson shares warehouse acquisition stories and collecting tips on The Spinner is Lit podcast.

Summary

Drew Nicholson, host of the 8-Bit Pit YouTube channel and KLOV forum super moderator, discusses his arcade and pinball collecting journey, including a major warehouse acquisition of approximately 28 machines from a Nevada operator. The episode covers his early collecting experiences, networking strategies for finding machines, YouTube content creation challenges, and concludes with a 'Game of the Week' segment on Fish Tales (1992).

Key Claims

  • Drew acquired approximately 28 pinball machines from a warehouse closure deal in Nevada, primarily System 11 and early Data East games from the late 1980s-early 1990s

    high confidence · Drew Nicholson describing his warehouse raid experience during the podcast interview

  • The warehouse contained approximately 300-400 games total across multiple floors

    medium confidence · Drew's estimate while describing the initial warehouse tour: 'There has to be a good three or four hundred games in this place'

  • Drew's 8-Bit Pit YouTube channel has approximately 200+ subscribers after 2-3 years of operation

    high confidence · Drew stating: 'I've only got a little over 200 subscribers, which is not even a drop in the pond compared to other channels' and 'I've had my channel up for close to two years, two or three years now'

  • KLOV requires a PayPal account and $1 donation membership to deter spam and banned users, though referrals can waive the fee

    high confidence · Drew explaining KLOV membership requirements during discussion of the forum

  • Drew traded a home-use Batman Dark Knight Stern for Attack from Mars and a Family Guy for Indiana Jones with the warehouse operator

    high confidence · Drew describing his trading strategy: 'I had a home use only Batman the Dark Knight Stern that he wanted to use on location that I traded straight across for Attack from Mars'

  • The warehouse operator was consolidating due to family issues and needing space, with a secondary warehouse 30 miles outside Reno near Carson City

    high confidence · Drew explaining the operator's situation: 'He's got this second auxiliary warehouse about 30 miles outside of Reno in the capital of Carson City... consolidating the company, family issues, things like that'

  • Drew's first serious repair project was a Super Mario Brothers pinball machine purchased for $700 through a friend's eBay tip

    high confidence · Drew describing: 'the first machine that I bought that actually played and worked... was actually the machine that I wanted the most, which was Super Mario Brothers'

Notable Quotes

  • “There's an entire back room of this. It was crazy. And there are just rows of Twilight Zones and Indiana Joneses and just, and I'm beside myself. I'm like, what did I just get into?”

    Drew Nicholson @ ~20:30 — Describes the shock and excitement of discovering the main warehouse room during his first visit

  • “It's all about who you know and who you network with. Chances are you're never going to find a post on Craigslist saying, hey, go to the big warehouse of pinball machines at 100 bucks each.”

    Drew Nicholson @ ~42:00 — Key insight on accessing major arcade/pinball collections—networking over public listings

  • “The biggest advice that I can give to anyone who does want to try and start up a YouTube channel is just keep plugging away at it... keep content coming at a semi steady pace”

    Drew Nicholson @ ~48:00 — Content creator advice on channel growth and consistency

  • “It's really important to build that rapport with people that have some really good stuff. That's actually how I've been able to get a lot of deals instead of just... calling the guy and trying to lowball him.”

    Drew Nicholson @ ~37:00 — Business/collecting philosophy emphasizing relationship-building over aggressive negotiation

  • “Fish Tales... it's almost a Taxi 2.0, which is probably gonna make some people roll their eyes and some people throw rotten fruit at me.”

    Spencer Klingin @ ~92:00 — Comparison of Fish Tales to classic Taxi, acknowledging potential disagreement from the community

  • “I just, I don't find the time to actually sit down and edit it. And it's like three months later and it's not even relevant anymore.”

    Drew Nicholson @ ~50:00 — Candid admission of content creation challenges and lost footage issues

  • “I got about 20 upright video games... I got about eight Spy Hunters, which I cashed in on. I kept one for myself.”

    Drew Nicholson @ ~29:00 — Details on first warehouse raid acquisitions showing selective keeping and flipping strategy

Entities

Drew NicholsonpersonSpencer KlinginpersonSeth Holderperson8-Bit PitproductKLOVorganizationThe Spinner is LitproductFish TalesgameSuper Mario BrothersgameBride of Pinbotgame

Signals

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    collector_signal: Drew acquired 28 machines from single warehouse closure, requiring significant storage (split between garage and storage unit). Represents major collector buying opportunity and inventory management challenge.

    high · Drew detailing 28-machine acquisition spanning System 11 and early Data East era; storing machines across garage and storage unit with cleanup expected to take 'at least another year'

  • ?

    content_signal: Drew reports 200+ subscribers after 2-3 years on YouTube, acknowledges difficulty maintaining momentum and consistency. Offers candid advice on persistence despite slow growth.

    high · Drew: 'I've only got a little over 200 subscribers... it is difficult to stay motivated especially when you're first starting out... just keep plugging away'

  • ?

    community_signal: KLOV forum implements PayPal verification and $1 donation requirement to prevent spam and banned user returns; Drew notes majority of moderation involves moving misplaced posts and handling for-sale section disputes.

    high · Drew explaining moderation focus: 'The majority of what I do is move stuff that people put in the wrong place... I find it more in the for sale sections'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Nevada-based arcade/pinball operator consolidating operations due to family issues and space constraints; closing secondary warehouse and liquidating machines, preferring relationship-based sales to collectors over commercial flipping.

    high · Drew describing operator motivations: 'consolidating the company, family issues, things like that... he knows that I'm not just in the business to flip everything I'm getting from him... I'm a true collector'

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome to Episode 7 of the Spinners Lit Pinball Podcast. Tonight's episode, Raiders of the Lost Warehouse with our special guest, Drew Nicholson. I'm your host, Spencer Klingin, and my wonderful co-host and engineer, Seth Holder. And Drew, welcome to the show. Yeah, thanks for having me. This is awesome. Awesome, cool. So just a little bit of a quick overview of that. Wait a minute, I'm an engineer now? You're the co-host and engineer because I can never get this right. I want a raise. Where's my shop steward? I need my union rep here. No, look, you have to be the engineer because I can never get this thing right. You have to bail me out every episode. Alright, I derailed you. Okay, cool. So Drew, you have your own YouTube channel, the 8-Bit Pit, which is pinball games, arcade games related, and you're a super moderator on Clog, Arcade Forum. That is correct. And so you collect both pins and bids. Yep, I collect the best of the best, or at least I try to. The best of the best? I'm trying to think of the pins I've seen you bring to the shows over the years. Scorpion, Brunswick Alive, oh you love that game. Alive, that's right, that's the one you brought this year. That's such a piece of cake. The very best of the best. It worked for an hour or two. Yeah, it was great, wasn't it? You know what, I actually did get to play it, it wasn't that terrible. I mean, you know, it was a pinball machine. I'm sorry. That's the best Elvis pinball machine out there, right? It is the best Elvis machine. I think I sold that thing at the end of the show for 50 bucks. Oh wow, somebody got a good deal. I'm not even happier to get rid of it. Well, it probably wasn't your first pin. What was yours? Where did you start off? The first pinball machine that I ever bought was a Gottlieb Monte Carlo. Actually, I got that for 10 bucks. For sale on Apple TV and Apple Music, and the internet below. I was kind of excited to get my first pinball machine. Technically the machine was free, but I tipped them 10 bucks for helping me load it into the truck. We had to walk through three different neighbors' yards to get it back to my truck. I'd stick with free then. That's the story. Yeah, right, yeah. The long and short of it was that machine was well beyond trying to save. The head was crumbling apart. I was really novice to pinball machines. Nowadays I probably could have got it running, but the machine was totally dead to the world and I just didn't want to mess with it. I found a big beehive in it. Not a really fun first venture into pinball. Well, so if you didn't tackle that one, what was your first game that you had to do some serious repairs on? How did you cut your teeth? Oh man, that's a great question. I know that the first machine that I bought that actually played and worked and still needed some work was actually the machine that I wanted the most, which was Super Mario Brothers. And I was actually able to get it through a friend of mine who tipped me off and said, hey, there's one of these machines on eBay right now and they're actually local here, you should go get it. And it was 700 bucks. I'm like, oh, yeah, yes, absolutely. And so that was actually my first machine. That's where I started learning how to do flipper rebuilds and figuring out how the switches work and how the boards work. And at this time, I was probably less than a year into the whole arcade collecting scene. It's a great game. So, everything is still pretty new to me too. Yeah, yeah. But that was the first foray into pinball, at least in like a serious manner. And you still have that game. I do. Don't you? I do. I'm in the middle of completely tearing it down and rebuilding it the right way this time. It's been several years. It's been about 10 years of knowledge that I've gained since buying that machine. So, I'm doing it up right now. Nice. Yep. It's my holy grail. I'm a fan of the machines that I remember playing back when I was a little tiny kid and you know the Yoshi and all that all those sounds really bring back a lot of memories for me. That's cool. That is cool. You got another question Seth? Oh I was just curious who you were who'd you reach out to when you were first learning you know in terms of you know was it online was did you have somebody there in a local hometown that come over because that's a pretty daunting thing. Yeah no it definitely was John Popadiuk, Bob Betorardanian, Senor Graduel, You were the first person to ever tell me they have a spreadsheet of pinball information, but and yes, I'm looking at you, Moff. We can't have an episode without a shout out to our brother Moff. Let's see, I got a Captain Fantastic that was home use only for 100 bucks. Oh, that hurts. That was a pretty good one. I love that machine. Was it EM or solid state? Yeah, it was EM. It was EM. That was my first EM game, actually. Oh, wow. Oh, cool. That was a whole different venture that I wasn't quite ready for.

  • The warehouse acquisition included five Whirlwinds, three Earthshakers, four Data East Simpsons machines, and three Data East Hooks among the 28 games

    high confidence · Drew itemizing his acquisition: 'I end up with about five Whirlwinds, three Earthshakers, four Simpsons Data East machines, three Data East Hooks'

  • Drew started collecting arcade and pinball machines around 2008 under the moniker 'Drewcade' before rebranding to '8-Bit Pit'

    high confidence · Drew explaining his channel history: 'I started collecting about 2008... I first started out as the Drewcade... it just kind of sounded really self-centered... I came up with the 8-bit pit'

  • Fish Tales was designed by Mark Ritchie with artwork by Pat McMahon and released in 1992 with 13,000 units produced

    high confidence · Spencer providing game specs during Game of the Week segment: 'came out in 1992... was built or designed by Mark Ritchie... 13,000 units'

    • Taxi
    game
    Attack from Marsgame
    Indiana Jonesgame
    Mark Ritchieperson
    Pat McMahonperson
    John Popadiukperson
    Bob Betorperson
    Nap's Arcadeperson
    Tim Kitzrowperson
    Moffperson
    Reno, Nevadaevent
    Whirlwindgame
    Earthshakergame
    The Simpsons (Data East)game
    Hookgame
    Pinsideorganization

    marketplace_signal: System 11 and early Data East machines (late 1980s-early 1990s) available at 'relatively cheap' prices; newer WPC machines held for operator's routing business at premium. Indicates segmented pricing by era and machine utility.

    medium · Drew: 'majority of them were basically System 11, early Data East... late 80s early 90s stuff... not A-list titles by any means but still a lot of fun games... relatively cheap'

  • ?

    business_signal: Drew successfully traded two home-use Stern machines (Batman Dark Knight, Family Guy) for commercial-grade machines (Attack from Mars, Indiana Jones) with operator. Operator values trade for route deployment; Drew gains collector value advantage.

    high · Drew: 'I had a home use only Batman the Dark Knight Stern that he wanted to use on location that I traded straight across for Attack from Mars... As far as collector value is concerned, I came out ahead, but as far as income for his business, it worked out for him too'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Drew engaging in multi-year restoration of Super Mario Brothers machine, applying 10 years of accumulated knowledge since original $700 purchase. Indicates collector shift from acquisition to preservation/improvement.

    high · Drew: 'I'm in the middle of completely tearing it down and rebuilding it the right way this time... It's been about 10 years of knowledge that I've gained since buying that machine'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Spencer has added color DMD to Fish Tales, indicating aftermarket display conversion market exists for classic machines. Represents modern customization trend.

    medium · Spencer: 'I happened to throw a color DMD into mine and it's got just a killer color DMD setup on it'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Spencer positions Fish Tales as spiritual successor/upgraded version of Taxi (both Mark Ritchie designs), acknowledging potential community disagreement with comparison.

    medium · Spencer: 'it's almost a Taxi 2.0, which is probably gonna make some people roll their eyes and some people throw rotten fruit at me'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Fish Tales features difficulty variance with easy shots balanced against challenging lock shot requiring precise aim. Spinner and ramps provide varied shot opportunities.

    medium · Spencer: 'There's really easy shots and there's like, the hardest shot for me is always locking the ball... Which is also a great skill shot'

  • ?

    venue_signal: Reno/Nevada region historically rich in arcade and pinball machines due to casino industry, but modern liability concerns cause casinos to destroy rather than liquidate decommissioned equipment.

    medium · Drew discussing casino liability: 'a lot of the casinos bought and owned their own games... there's a lot of liability when it comes to the equipment that they're decommissioning so a lot of the stuff kind of gets destroyed'

    • 6:17
    Still not quite really all that... That takes 20 years to really get good at EMs. Yeah. Gosh, I... Man, yeah, that was a pretty good deal. I would say probably the best deal was probably some of my larger, you know, purchases, And that's where I got some of the really good deals. I did get three new in box, old stock Elvis Gold edition machines for about $4,000 each. I remember that. Yeah, that stirred up a little bit of dust on the Pinside forums. That's actually kind of when I was starting, when I was a little bit new to Pinside and Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. I'm going to be honest, I haven't done my homework. Spencer's giving me a little bit of an overview of what it is, but what exactly is it? How long have you been doing it? I've done my homework. For once. You said to send him emails like all last week, dude, you actually put thought into this. Anyway, go ahead, Drew. But yeah, I started collecting about 2008. That's you know, I first started out as the Drewcade, which was my moniker for my little arcade. And it started sounding really self-centered and I didn't like it. So I did a little bit of poking around with some, you know, some fun with words. I came up with the 8-bit pit and it just kind of stuck and it turned out to be something John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Rayday Pinball Podcast.
    8:54
    What are you guys up to right now? My YouTube channel is kind of a little of everything. I've got full teardown and rebuilds of pinball machines, I've got ride alongs as I go and pick up new games, I've got some repair videos here and there. I've got a little bit of everything really. I don't really have a whole set type of video that I do. 8bpnpid is just pinball and arcade and fun. That's really all it is. Sounds like I need to do some of my homework. I was going to say, if you'd actually done your homework, you'd know this stuff. Yeah, I'm learning a lot about vlogging and making YouTube videos. I look back on some of the ones I did a few years ago and I've definitely learned a lot. My videos have come a long way. Still not quite there yet, but I'm feeling a little bit more comfortable with each video that I spit out. Well, you know, I watched a really great one recently, and it's an episode you did on a big warehouse rig, because you had mentioned that earlier. Yeah. I think I did a couple different ones on that. Yeah. How do you find these things, man? Bet you would know that if you'd done his homework. You know what? I actually watched. I did watch. Yeah, so the place where I got a lot of my machines, it kind of all started back, I would say probably within like the first or second year that I was collecting. This was well after I had picked up my Super Mario Brothers and basically I ended up finding a Super Mario Brothers machine on Craigslist and the price was right and I was thinking, Hey, you know what, I could buy that and use it to trade for something that I want, you know, use it as trade bait. And at that point I wanted a Bride of Pinball. I wanted one of those really bad. So I went, you know, I hit this guy up with the intention of buying this game and expecting to, you know, come up on someone's residence, you know, a house. And I come to this big, what looks like an empty office building. I'm like, all right, this is kind of sketch. Because it's right next door to the dropout high school GED place. I'm like, all right, this is- Not that there's anything wrong with that. No, but it's kind of a seedy area of town. Let's be honest. It's definitely a seedy area of town. And I meet the guy up there, and I walk through the front door, and there's rows and rows of pinball machines. And I'm like, I'm drooling. Your mouse on the floor. Wait a minute. What did I just walk into? You know? And so he shows me, you know, this Mario Brothers pinball machine and at this point I couldn't care less about that game. Like I'm looking at all these other machines. I'm like there's Whirlwinds and Twilight Zones and Corvettes and just all these machines and sure enough I find he's got a Bride of Pinbot sitting there and of course it's in shambles. It was used as a parts game and I'm like, oh, ooh, I want that. How much do you want for that? I was like, you know, I don't know, make an offer. I was like, I don't know, 700 bucks? Like, sure. Like, oh, sweet, cool, I gotta buy the pinbot, you know? And then, of course, I didn't buy the Mario Brothers. I couldn't have cared less about that at that point. And so we made a deal for the Bride of Pinbot. And then he says to me, do you want to see the rest of the warehouse? I'm like, hold on, wait, what? Wait, wait, wait, wait. The rest of the warehouse? So he takes me into the back room, and this place is huge. This was just a small room that I was in. This was just the front room. There's an entire of this. It was crazy. And there are just rows of Twilight Zones and Indiana Joneses and just, and I'm beside myself. I'm like, what did I just get into? And so he gives me the tour of the warehouse. There has to be a good three or four hundred games in this place. Like this place is definitely huge. And you know, the kind of places you would only read about. And I was like, this is happening to me. This is weird.
    13:08
    And so, and so he, so he takes me upstairs and yet there's another story to this warehouse. So I have, I've only seen the first floor at this point. So he takes me upstairs and there are just rooms and rooms of, of, of upright games and cocktails. And I just, I don't know what to do with myself. So I ended up making another deal. I was pretty close. Like there's not much he could have asked me that I would have said no to. So I ended up making kind of a package deal. I ended up grabbing a converted Warlords cocktail that I was actually able to cabinet swap with mine because it was a much better one. A thousand bucks, I got a Warlords and a Friday Pinball and called it a day. One heck of a tour. It was one heck of a tour. And so we kept in touch throughout the years and I'd stop by and grab a couple games here and there. And then it came to a point a couple years ago where... So he's got this second auxiliary warehouse about 30 miles outside of Reno in the capital of Carson City. And he was looking at starting to close it down to... He's kind of consolidating the company, family issues, things like that. So he needed the space. And so the first warehouse raid that I went on where he said, I need to get rid of a lot of this stuff, you pick out what you want, let's make a deal. I got about 20 upright video games. Some decent stuff. I got about eight Spy Hunters, which I cashed in on. I kept one for myself. I got just a ton of your average games, not a whole lot of junk, but nothing to really write home about. All right, so I'm really getting serious about closing this warehouse. I need the room. The front room of all the pinball machines, you pick out what you want, you tell me what you want, and let's make a deal. And I'm like, all right, this is it. Here we go. So I- Start getting the credit cards out. I'm like, all right, how much money do I have in my bank account? How many machines can I get? How many machines do I have room for? How much storage do you have? Have I sold blood this week? This week, everybody has a third mortgage now. So basically, I go through and I make a list of all the games that I think I can get for a pretty decent deal. Long and short of it, I end up with 28 games, which cost a lot of I will say however it was it was a fair deal for sure the majority of them were basically system 11 early data East you know late 80s early 90s stuff the newest one being a Capcom airborne pretty much everything else was was older than that nothing WPC unfortunately but because he still uses a lot of the more recent games for machines that he's still routing. So basically I got the majority of the stuff that he doesn't plan on putting back out on location which netted me about five whirlwinds, three earthshakers, four Simpsons Data East machines, three Data East hooks, like just tons of these really nice fun games but that you can still get for relatively cheap, you know, not A-list titles by any means but still a lot of fun games. Right. And so basically I cleared out a bunch of those machines, I put them all in my storage unit and then... Yeah, I was going to say, what size storage unit did you have? A big one. I had a big one for sure. I was able to actually fit about half those machines in the garage and the rest of them went to the storage unit, so I didn't need a huge one. Well, that's good. But yeah, because they're all pretty small in their class. Is that one of those things you go get a U-Haul trailer real quick and just make We Find Jim We should have a large funeral. Yeah, no. In fact, I even made a YouTube video on how to fit a pinball machine in a Honda Fit. Oh, that's awesome. I watched that video too. Yeah, it's kind of funny, isn't it? It is. But, yeah. And then the warehouse video, the warehouse tour that I put up on YouTube was pretty much the end of this second warehouse. Randy Padasek Godin, Qui-gong I think there's actually a couple pretty darn rare games in there too. I haven't been able to identify them all yet, but yeah, I also got some some Dragon's Lair. So you're still dealing with the aftermath? Oh yeah, I'm not gonna be able to clean all this up for at least another year. Wow. Yeah, it was definitely worth, you know, he's a great guy to deal with. He knows that I'm not just in the business to flip everything I'm getting from him. You know, a lot of the stuff I am keeping, he knows that I am a true collector and I'm using the majority of all this to fund what I really do want, you know, to help pay the mortgage and stuff like that. So it's not like I'm trying to put him out of business or compete with him or anything like that. So it's really important to build that rapport with people that have some really good stuff. That's actually how I've been able to get a lot of deals instead of just, you know, calling the guy and trying to lowball him. You know, I talk to him and I explain, you know, what I'm looking for that, you know, I'm not just going to flip this. I want it for my personal collection and I'll give him a history on the game, you know, and talk to him about it. And I found that's got me a lot of deals where, you know, they're like, yeah, come and get the game where other people are just like, you know, oh, well, you take 300 less or, you know, can you take PayPal? Now, it's like, you know, talk to people, man. You know, because especially like with a warehouse operator down the road, this is provided extra dividends because you can keep going back and getting the games. And if you still got games routed, if I recall correctly a while back, you picked up an attack from Mars. Did you get that from that operator? Yeah, so I got both my tech from Mars and my Indiana Jones from him by trading to the machines that I had. I had a home use only Batman the Dark Knight Stern that he wanted to use on location that I traded straight across for Attack from Mars, which is a pretty darn good deal. That is right. Yeah, it is. And then I was able to do the same thing with my family guy for Indiana Jones. Nice. Yeah. So as far as collector value is concerned, I came out ahead, but as far as income for his business, it worked out for him too, you can use for it for his route but he didn't need to do anything to like they were basically brand new games right wow able to trade off so it worked out good for both of us really that what a relationship is all about absolutely no exactly exactly so you on the warehouse raid I mean you when you go in I mean because you kind of get to look around beforehand but do you have an idea like all right well like with the cinematronics boards was that something you thought man if I can just find these this is going to be cool or it just kind of like you just ticking through and you find something cool you go all right I got this Well in the case of the warehouse raid that I went on like in this in this in this case, I was just like, I'm going to go in and I'm going to go in and I'm going to go in and I'm going to go in and I'm going to Alright, well like with the cinematronics boards, was that something you thought, man if I can just find these, this is going to be cool or it's just kind of like you're just ticking through and you find something cool, you go, alright I got this. Well, in the case of the warehouse rig that I went on, like in this, I was more interested in finding big boxes of stuff to just take a gamble on, alright I want all these and I'll pick through them later, buy now, ask questions later. Okay. You might find some good stuff. You might come up with nothing good at all. But being able to kind of pick through it a little bit, you start getting a good idea of what is there and what might be there. Like another box of boards I went through, I ended up finding some new old stock joust joysticks which worked out great because I've got a joust that needs them. But of course you couldn't see those because they had a ton of boards on top of them. So, yeah, you just got to kind of thumb through it. I didn't want to be too nitpicky, you know, like I didn't want to just leave them with a bunch of trash. So I was willing to take, you know, all the junk with all the good stuff too because of course he was looking to clean out that warehouse and, you know, however I can make the whole clean out process easier, I'd be more than happy to take some junk along with the good stuff too. So. Sure. Right on. Do you have any other tips for somebody like if me and Seth were going on a warehouse raid? In terms of finding the warehouses to go on, like I said, it's all about who you know and who you network with. Chances are you're never going to find a post on Craigslist saying, hey, go to the big warehouse of pinball machines at 100 bucks each. Come on and get them. That won't happen, to be totally honest with you. It's all about who you know, because a lot of these operators are starting to get to the point where they just don't care about what they have anymore. you know the the warehouses are starting to close down or they just want to you know or they're like like families are inheriting an old business and they're just trying to you know cycles the the stuff out so it all depends on really who you know because that's an invaluable resource is networking as far as actually like like going through the warehouse and picking through you know what what you do or don't want it it's I it's hard to say you know what good Now waitress Memphis Nicholl, Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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    Jeff So, I imagine too it helps living in a town like Reno where casinos are a big part of the fabric of the town in terms of the availability of vids and pins a little bit. That's a legacy of that town having coin op. Right, it's kind of interesting because that's kind of the general consensus but when you really get down to it a lot of the casinos like the there's a lot of legalities that go into it too like a lot of the casinos bought and owned their own games and so there's a lot of liability when it comes to you know the equipment that they're that they're decommissioning so a lot of the stuff kind of kind of gets destroyed like you know kind of kind of in the same fashion as the Remember to subscribe for more from where people like me can help support the show. Thanks, Hassan. I'm going to sue you guys. They don't want to accept that liability or even mess with the possibility that that could happen. So a lot of the stuff never really sees the light of day. All right, well, I guess I'm not moving to Reno or Vegas. I'll scratch that off my list. There's nothing left. Don't worry. I got it all. I was going to say, Drew's got it all in a warehouse hidden somewhere. That's too bad. So switching gears a little bit, talk to me about your YouTube channel. We're going to talk about the YouTube channel. We kind of touched on what it does, but just kind of stepping back a minute, what is it like putting on a YouTube channel? Is there any tips for those in our audience that might be interested in putting on their own channel? It's very, very difficult and not in the sense like of trying to gain followers. Like don't get me wrong, it is difficult to do that, but it's also difficult to stay motivated especially when you're first starting out. I've been doing this, I've had my channel up for close to two years, two or three years now, close to three years actually. And I've only got a little over 200 subscribers, which is not even a drop in the pond compared to other channels. But the biggest advice that I can give to anyone who does want to try and start up a YouTube channel is just keep plugging away at it. at it you know keep uploading content keep content coming at it at us as an at a semi steady pace so that way you know your subscribers have something to look forward to if they like your your content as you get that momentum going you know it starts getting a little bit easier but I've had I've had a lot of times where I've you know shot an entire you know sequence or at like like you know I've done an entire rebuild on a machine and either I lose the the And I'm like, ah, screw this. Or I just, I don't find the time to actually sit down and edit it. And it's like three months later and it's not even relevant anymore. You know, it's, it's really hard to, to stay on it, but it is really rewarding when, when you know. So that, that's, that, that's my best advice is to just, just keep going. Yep. Cause eventually your, your channel, your channel will pick up speed. We have the same problem doing this podcast because we both have such busy schedules and Seth tries to do his thing. And we're both trying to get to the end of the show. So we're both trying to get to the end of the show. And I think that's a very important thing to do. It's a great show, and it is really rewarding when you do it. That's my best advice, is to just keep going, because eventually your channel will pick up speed. We have the same problem doing this podcast, because we both have such busy schedules, and Seth travels a lot for work, so it's like we like to do an episode about every 10 days, but it ends up being about every 15, 18, 20 days, because we're just trying to coordinate The schedules and family life and everything else. Well, have you ever had a problem with losing the very first episode you put out or is that just Spencer? No, that's just me. I've completely lost it. I can't find it. It's somewhere on the internet.
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    No, I never had that problem. I've had plenty of lost footage, but nothing that I don't think anyone would really miss. I kid Spencer, it's alright, we love you. We love you too man, but you know, it's true, I mean I lost the first episode. It'll be like, in 50 years it'll be like, you know, finding the first episode of I Love Lucy or something, you know? It's like the lost, the first episode is the spitter is lit. First time heard in 40 years. Oh geez. So Drew, tell us about KLOV, because I mean, you know, we're all familiar with it, but for the listener that may not be, and what it's like to be a super moderator. And when you say KLOV or KLOV, you're talking about that forum that's K-L-O-V, right? Yeah, the Video Arcade Preservation Society Killer List of Video Games. Killer List of Video Games, alright, there we go. Which covers everything coin op, pinball, arcade games, jukeboxes, slots, soda machines, candy machines, everything. Drama too, absolutely.
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    Yeah, to my knowledge it's one of the largest, if not the largest coin op related discussion forum. I think it's actually one of the oldest ones too. And yeah, no, it's fun being a moderator. Like I've never really moderated a site or helped moderate forums before, but there's – the majority of what I do is move stuff that people put in the wrong place and that's really all there is to it. Keeping a couple of people in line. There are a few kind of abrasive members that pop up here and there and a lot of complainers but – Wait, on the internet people complain? Look at that! That's the best thing on the Internet! It's weird, isn't it? And they're difficult to deal with? No, say it ain't so. I know, and there's a lot of information that you would think is correct, but it's not. It's weird. Like all the information on the Internet is supposed to be true. That's why this podcast guarantees a 95 percent accuracy rate. Because we do our homework. Right. All right. I'm going to go ahead and end this. Yeah, no, it's fun. There's not a real big difference between being a normal member and being a moderator. Just I get to ban people whenever I want, so that's really all there is. That's all that different. I've had to ban a couple people, which basically just boils down to them ripping someone else off or constant attacks toward other members. So, it's happened, you know, very, very few times. So, do you find it more in pinball or more in the arcade game side or is it just kind of like a mixed bag? I find it more in the for sale sections. Ah, okay. All right. In the for sale and there's quite a bit coming from the, you know, the chat about anything or the, you know, the PNR part of the threads where everyone has, you know, brilliant political opinions on everything else. So a lot of that stuff gets out of hand too, but the majority of what I see is either people not getting stuff that they paid for or people posting things in the wrong spot or people getting kind of butthurt when they get called a mean name or something like that. How do you find the site compared to Pinsight in terms of pinball discussion, tech help, rumors, that kind of thing? So, what's your favorite pinball site? You know, actually, I kind of find both sites about even in terms of their usefulness when it comes to pinball knowledge. Pinside, of course, does have a little bit more in there. You typically get a little bit of a quicker response. But I've found a lot of answers on the KLOV forums that I wasn't able to find on Pinside. And a lot of that, I think, also is to just the fact that there's so much going on on Pinside that a lot of things get pushed down to the bottom a lot quicker. I think that's kind of a big part of it. Do you have to have a membership or is it open to anonymous? You have to have a membership and a valid PayPal account as well. I think you have to make like a one dollar donation to make sure that you're not like a robot or like some spam. And also, it also helps deter people who have been banned from making second accounts because, oh, they have to pay money to do that now. Yeah. Gotcha. So, it kind of deters a lot of that too. But if you get referred from another member, you can actually get in free without having to make the donation even though it is appreciated. Of course. Yeah. Makes sense. So, if you're like me and really cheap, just email me and I'll get you in. Absolutely. I'll get you in for half price. There you go. Fifty cents, man. It's worth it. Now, you know, I actually became a member of CLOB a couple of years before I joined Pinside. I was new to the hobby and I lurked on Pinside for a really long time, but I came on to CLOB pretty early and that's where I started first meeting people. And then I joined Pinside and it just got crazy after that. So as did the hobby I think yeah well yeah um Drew you got anything else you want to throw out there hmm you know I don't know it's not off the top of my head um this has been a pretty pretty fun experience so far I'm I'm really liking this this is a lot of fun awesome let's say I told you and everybody that gets nervous like well what I want to say I said just come on the show you'll have a blast yeah in fact Seth and I on episode five I'm like who's doing episodes like we Tim Kitzrow. Welcome to Black Water, Pinball Careful promptly slaughter, Brought to you by Williams, we have Fishtails. If we look at the numbers real quick, just a level set, came out in 1992. It was built or designed by Mark Ritchie. Python was involved in it. Pat McCone not only did the artwork, but he also helped with some of the game design. 13,000 units and it is a sweet pin. I say that because, like our other games of the week lately, I happen to own one.
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    Yeah, I've actually, I've never really sat down and played a really good game of Fishtail, so I can't really speak to it a whole lot either. And it feels weird because I know a lot of people love that game. I just, I haven't had a really good game that I can really figure out how good of a game it is to me. Well, we need to have you come down the hill and come play mine. I'm down. You know I have had an itch since I got into this hobby to own a taxi. I was really blessed to be able to babysit a taxi for about a year and I just really love everything about that game which is, I say taxi not fish tails because I'm referring to an earlier title by Mark Ritchie. And so it's a game I've always wanted and then I got an opportunity to through a trade to get a fishtails and Man, it scratched that taxi itch like nothing else ever has with the crossover ramps and the super fast Ball speeds fast drains. It's it's got a lot of this things about taxi In it that's it to me It's almost a taxi 2.0 Which is probably gonna make some people roll their eyes and some people throw rotten fruit at me KEN POPADIUCH, BAYNARD M. KINZERO, ART BURGER, BUCHAREST, KELTON MCLEAN, ANDERSON, TAYLOR, ANDERSON AND RAY D. MCLEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A REALLY GREAT ARTWORK. THE GENTLEMAN, PAT MCMAYHON, IS THE SAME GUY THAT DID ARTWORK LIKE ON TALES OF THE ARABIAN NIGHT, SO IT HAS THAT GREAT CLASSIC ILLUSTRATED DRAWINGS, GREAT SOUND, THEMATIC INTEGRATION. Fantastic theme integration. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I happened to throw a color DMD into mine and it's got just a killer color DMD setup on it. And so it's just a super fun pin, super fast times. You know, and it's got, you know, ramps, it's got great multiballs, it's got great video modes, it's got a spinner, It's got all the different bits and pieces you like, at least that I like in a game. I think it's a balanced, a really well-balanced game. Yeah. You know, there's really easy shots and there's like, I, the hardest shot for me is always locking the ball. Right, because that's gotta be a perfect shot. Which is also a great skill shot. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I put, uh, I put, uh, lightning flippers on mine, uh, the regular Williams flippers made it just a little bit too easy, so dropping that little eighth inch off on each side I had read somewhere a while back that that game was actually designed originally with regular flippers, regular Williams flippers, and then it came out about the time they were saying, hey, let's get lightning flippers on these, especially for the European market. Oh, okay. Because they wanted, because they wanted, that was the whole reason for that, for the lightning flipper, is because the European operators wanted shorter ball times. They wanted a little bit more change in the drawer. They want, they did, I read that, I'm trying to remember where I read it, but, but back on Fishtails is, you know, when you get it, Flo, you know, everybody talks about, you know, the older brother of the Richie, Steve, being, you know, the king of Flo, and he is, but that ramp setup, it's great on taxi too, but on Fishtails, man, you get that going, a rhythm, and it's just, like, you're just, it's, you get in that zone, you know, that I always talk about, and in that adrenaline zone, it's like a roller coaster ride. ~!
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    Chating set describes the host who has been arrested and arbe anar in the talk It doesn't bother me that bad, but it is. It's just like, you know, all of a sudden you're playing the game and all of a sudden that thing's going off and the tail fin is slapping against the plastic and you're like, what the hell is that, you know? So, yeah, but it's a great game. You know, again, you know, it's not like incredibly deep ruleset, but it's a fast-paced fun game where you're like, I don't want to be up all night, knock back a few games of pinball before bed and you can get in a couple three games in, you know, 15, 20 minutes. Let's have a little intervention here you you really can't play
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    I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. You know what I've been doing? Actually, no, I know. No, we're gonna get, no, actually we're gonna get to some of my playing habits later, but, um, cause that'll be in the topic of conversation. Will it involve a jacuzzi? Uh, no. No it won't. Um, actually, you know what, we're actually talking about pulling the hot tub out. Well, because, okay, that hot tub is from like 1972. Right, you were in high school. Right, I was, yeah, yeah, no. There you go, no, because what we're doing is so we can make room for more pins in that room. Oh, okay, good job. So yeah well okay well Drew has no frame of reference Seth has been to my house I have a separate room off the game room that the hot tub room We talking about pulling that out It an actual room it not like outside on your patio or something like that Right and we talking about gonna get another one we get another one put it out on the patio and make more room for games Plus it'll, you know, be better on the electric bill. Because this thing takes up the whole room, not just the tub itself, but like all of the filters and gizmos. Because it's all 70s stuff, so it's like three times the size of what you would find today. But you do have to do, before you pull it out, you got to do your dream of playing pinball while sitting in the jacuzzi. I think you just got to... I do have to do that. I'll just slide a game up to the edge of it. I hope I don't electrocute myself.
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    Because then, you know, I've gotten so lazy, I keep thinking, why do I have to go up to the game to like, you know, do audits and stuff? Why don't these have remotes? I want to see it with my iPad. Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. I didn't know that. Yeah, so a lot of people dropped us in. I don't like that. Just to be picking up numbers. Right, in like whatever it was, 92, 93, a lot of the big European operators, because there were such heavy buyers of games, went to Bally Williams and said, hey, we need to figure out a way to have shorter ball times on the games. They came up with the idea of the lightning clipper. I did not know that. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. Knapp Arcade, Bayou, Knapp Rites, Ballin' on the iron, STREET, Ballin' on the and said, hey, we need to figure out a way to have shorter ball times on the games that came up with the idea of the lightning flipper. I did not know that. That's crazy. Yeah. So they were on Bram Stokers, Dracula, Fish Tales, Getaway I think had them, didn't they? That's not ringing a bell for me. No, not Getaway? You have to pin Willy on that one. Yeah, maybe not Getaway. There were a couple other games that had the lightning flippers and now I can't remember which one. The most notable one, well, Safecrackers had small flippers all the way, actually had smaller flippers all the way around that thing. I don't know, you know what, again, oh, maybe I should have done my homework, but... I did say 95% accurate, I didn't say we're on the... 95% accurate, but I know, they were on a few games, but I know Fishtails had them, Bam Stooker Dracula, so a lot of people have been putting those in a lot of System 11 games, so make them harder. Veteran If you are But Sorcerers is one of the most amazing games ever made. But what system is it though? Ah, seven. Alright, alright, alright. Thought you had me stumped, did ya? Except for it's a system nine. I'm doing my worst Gilmery impression. Is it a system nine? Spencer, Spencer, Spencer. It's one of three systems. It's a seven. No. It's a system nine. It's just like Space Shuttle and Comet. It's part of that three. It's a system nine. So, uh, we're gonna go with that. It's just like space shuttle and comet. It's part of that three. So, uh, we're gonna go with that. Space Shuttle and Comet. That's part of that three. Oh crap, I did mess up. Alright, so tonight we're 80% accurate. Please send your complaints to thespinnerislit at gmail.com. At gmail.com, that's right. Okay, upcoming release which has now been released, Star Wars. Oh man. I'll start. That's a loaded topic. I'll start. Initial reaction when I first saw the really bad low res photos, I was like, what the hell is this? The gameplay video they've shown so far, I'll say one thing, because when I first saw they had a video monitor inside the playfield, my first thought was, really? It's like, are you so out of good ideas? It's like, because every game's doing that now. Well, put a video monitor in. But then I saw the video where it's, you know, you hit the targets and it corresponds to fighters on the little monitor. I thought, okay, it's integrated well.
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    Um, I want to play it. I'm still not, you know, that huge on the art, but I haven't seen really good high res photos. And for some reason Stern can't get it out of their head to put out, you know, first release of these really crappy, low res, grainy... That's because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't because they're going to sell like hotcakes anyway. But you know what man, it's Star Wars as pinball so what the heck, you know? We'll give it a try. Drew, have you had a chance to do any nosing around on the web and take a look at the early reviews? Yeah, I mean I'm just, a lot of the new machines that Stern's put out with, like, I'm not big on the LCD, like I'm really not. So a lot of that just kind of almost turns me off immediately. I feel like it's too distracting to me. Like I'm looking way too much at the screen rather than the... Get off my lawn, kids! Oh gosh. Yeah. Perkin Red, man! Yeah. And we like it! Yeah. I mean... Where's my reels? Perkin Red did. DMD only had one color. Yeah, exactly. It was orange we liked it. Orange and dark orange. Yeah. I can actually really appreciate that. Sometimes it feels like, um, I mean like if Game of Thrones, like I wake up in the middle of the night with shutters thinking if Game of Thrones had a LCD screen in there. Because I can only imagine what kind of light show extras that would be on that machine over and above what it already is. So that kind of stuff can be really distracting. Now I will say that we talked about Batman 66 a couple weeks back, but I felt that the way they handled the instructions for that game was pretty well done by Stern, and then playing Houdini this year at Pinagogo, I thought they did a really good job of integration. Oh, you got to play Houdini! Houdini was so much fun, or at least for the two balls I was able to play. I'm the only guy that didn't get to play Houdini. I am the only guy. And I got in line three times and it kept breaking. It's a prototype. It's a prototype, man. I know, I know. I locked up that game once but I think everyone else did too. You know what? I got a t-shirt. There you go. Can't complain. I didn't get that. www.willywonka.com Very Lifeices
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    I sweeten my story to my wall teeth grinders. I hate cutouts. www.willywonka.com What's going to be the next greatest thing? You know, is it going to be something that redefines pinball and rules and what you can do with a pinball machine? Probably not, but I don't think that's what Stern is after. I think it's going to just knock it out of the park on location. Yeah, I could see that. You know, because it's Star Wars, that new LCD, and like I said, the cabinet art as I'm seeing more high-res pictures, you know, like I really love the side with the walkers. I think that's the premium. That looks really cool. So yeah, I think it's going to really, I think you're going to end up seeing a lot of those, probably a lot of pros on location. Maybe a few premiums. Yeah, yeah. It just depends on what operators are willing to, you know, some operators want pins for themselves, and so they'll go higher premium type and let it go on location to pay for itself a little bit and then they bring it home. Yeah. It's kind of a neat concept. It just depends on the size of the operator. You know, some of the hobbyist operators out there that, you know, route five or ten pins just to kind of fund their hobby. Yeah. I thought about doing that once, but it's just too much work. I don't care. Yeah, no, it is. I mean, I think everybody that has a passion to buy more machines and doesn't have the The funds goes hmm and you go okay well in theory I should have a business license I should have insurance I've got to figure out the split with the house I've got to have to do maintenance if I really want to be good I really need to do you know bi-weekly maintenance and they just start adding it all up and you're like hmm and you read stories online you're like hmm yeah you definitely have to be passionate about it. Yeah yeah you do it or and or like be really friendly with the locations that you're putting p 곽ᵒᵒᵒᶜᵃᵘᵠᵃ ©ᵗᵃᵒ�cartᵖᵗ Wow. Um, we got some upcoming shows we got to talk about? What you got Spence? I got Pin-Tastic northern English�� Neu England, which is a, the New England area show and that's coming up July 6th, 7th ,8th. And that's at the Sturbridge Host Hotel in Sturbridge, Massachusetts. It covers both pinball and video games. www.CaptainPinballPodcast.com Game Room Expo in Sturbridge Massachusetts, July 6th, 7th and 8th. Is that a fairly new show? What's that? Is that a fairly new show? I've never heard of that show. You know what, I hadn't either. I mean we've been really just talking about shows on the West Coast so I wanted to kind of, you know, reach out and get, you know, because I'm sure there's people listening to our show, the 9 or 10 out there, and at least one of them's got to be from the New England area, so, or maybe traveling for work. www.spinnerislit.com
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    You've got a great show, & Be a pinball pinball player. Thi okay? You're certainly probably like my weary penman uh versus hidin' behind uh a computer by behind your pinball machine back at home. It's nice to get out & be with other people & uh it helps, kind of, help this hobby bloc continu to blossom. Well there are lots more types of pinball so there's lots, it's certainly like even more fun. MyYouTube has Ben cotton. I do have a show report. Just got back from a trip to Denver, Colorado for work. Lucky. Lucky in that I got to go a day early, darn it, and spent Sunday out at the beautiful Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown. I believe that was in Lone Pine, which is just a little south of Denver. So headed out there for about half a day on Sunday. The Loan Pine, isn't that where the Loan Pine Mall is where time travel was first achieved? I don't know. Oh man, that was a Back to the Future reference, come on. Don't get me started on Back to the Future. Okay. So, headed out there, had a good time, you know, kind of, it's my first non-West Coast show, so, went out there and it's funny, John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Bowen Kerins, Laser Los, orbit ramps, Lyman F. Sheats Jr., Automated Amusements, Joe Kaminkow, Python Anghelo, You can tell by the name Robin Rubber Please text możemy a powers Adult for more info www.bit.ly http://bit.ly www.bit.ly http://bit.ly Yeah, a really neat show. It's a hotel hosted show, so it's kind of in a convention center of a hotel. So it's all kind of spread out. But instead of being one giant room, it was really neat. It was a whole series of rooms spread around. So the lights were not super low. So there was good visibility on all the playfields. There's all these different rooms you could walk in. Some of them had three pinball machines, some of them had 20. There's one main big expo area that had the big size chunk. But overall I'd say there's about 150 maybe a little bit more pinball machines, maybe 100 vids. So a ton to do for a day visit. You know, like I said, they had a separate tournament area. They had these guys podcasting live. Shout out to Nerd Cube was there doing their show. So it was kind of neat to see them and their setup. www.willywonka.com Webmaster
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    Mystery Castle, I've always wanted to play that. They had one set up right in the front. That was super fun. You know me, I love my old school 80s solid state, so they had a Stern Dragon Fist, which is a pretty rare one. Yeah. So I got to play a couple games on that. They had the most beautiful Stern Magic I've ever seen. It had like a brand new playfield, plastics, back glass. I mean, it looked beautiful, well lit. So and I've played that a couple times at different places and it has always been kind of slow. This one played super fast. It made it a different game.
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    What else? Black Knight. They had several Black Knights there, but they had one this guy had painted the cabinet like
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    metallic dark silver and black and red and so it was just a different color scheme that looked really sweet and he'd put in some mods on it. So when the ball first came out of the shooter lane instead of going to the upper playfield, it actually popped up into a habit trail and fed the left flipper. So you always started your games down at the bottom and had to work your way back to the upper playfield for your ball lock. And so it kind of changed the typical dynamics you see on a black knight. That was it. The machine was just really slick, really well set up. He'd put a lot of time into it. So pretty fun games there to be played. Cool, man. Yeah, it was a fun show. I really enjoyed my time there. You know, it's cool to go to different shows because you see different new games. You don't see it the same, you know, hit a go-go. I mean, different stuff shows up every year, but after a while, a lot of the same stuff you'll see here after year, too. So that's probably what we need. One of the games they had there was Pharaoh. And Drew, I don't know, have you ever logged any time on a Pharaoh? I don't think I ever played that one, no. Yeah, so it's like an older Williams, I don't know, System 7 or something game. And it, there's one at the Pinnagogo show every year and it's Brad's and I'm super glad that he brings it to the show because it's kind of more one of those games you never get to see. Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it. It kind of goes along with like a Jungle Lord or, you know, it's got that upper playfield, a bunch of flippers and drops up there. John Popadiuk, Knyce, Tonyeteался, Erina Klein,dsb operator, regions Blog Chiefέλ MorGBND LMS усп priorities any an 1 in It was all about getting the skills right, getting the game to play on a different one, just to see if this ever pops, is this going to be a game I pull the trigger on? So I walk up to play it a couple different times, and by golly, people are playing on it, people liked it, there wasn't a lot of freedom on that machine, every time I walked by there was somebody on it. So it's towards the end of my visit, and I'm like, OK, I'm going to get in line because I want to play this machine. I'm just kind of sitting back and waiting for her to play through and my goodness she's having a good game and so I'm giving her space because she's a little bit of a mover and a shaker and so I'm trying not to peer over her neck but I'm kind of watching she's playing and playing so I'm like okay and she she finally wraps up after another four or five minutes I'm like okay and she plays another game I'm like oh man she didn't hear me that's cool you know I was kind of giving her space I was kind of lurking behind her so I cough you know you know just to let her know that I'm behind her http://www.youtube.com.au http Camosman with Rayde Websternar PCT for SCC Stab Scripture Online
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    . Father Because I had been with Dira-Barey fifty five years enough. When I first walked in they told me Robin was there and did I know her. Well it ended up that Robin who is in front of me. She is a local player from Berkeley and she is ranked number 1 in the world for women and number 75 overall. It made sense that I had to wait twenty minutes for her to get through two games. So my hat is off to her. Sorry, i made it up and it was a dreamyoooo. It was hilarious. Really well done. There's a nice little review. No, thank you. It's kind of like the on the scene review. The trip report from Seth. So the rumor mill, man. Slayer. You guys heard this? I have. I've seen it. I think it's a... What's that? Is it another like a... What is it? Boutique type of pinball? No. supposed to be a stern I guess showed up at a Slayer show a while back and there's some other rumors that Stern might be putting out a Slayer game
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    The zombie yeti that was putting little hints out. I think so. Yeah, and I Think it's just a ruse to get everybody off the trail of Iron Maiden. I think Most likely Iron Maiden is gonna be next Not Slayer. I just I don't know. Hey, I could be wrong. What do I know? Right? I just don't see it being viable compared to Maiden's fan base compared to Slayers. Maiden has a much bigger fan base, especially in countries outside of the US that are big into pinball, i.e. like Europe, which Maiden is huge in Europe still. Well, when you say next, do you mean next Stern or do you mean the next Stern rock and roll machine? Steve Richie I'll say the next Stern rock and roll or music pin. So I definitely think it's Iron Maiden. What I'm more interested to know is who's designing the next pin because we just had a Borg pin with Aerosmith and we just had Steve Richie release Star Wars. So who's up next? That would be John Trudeau or the new guy, the new gunslinger in town. Thank you, Keith Elwin. Also, we just had George Gomez with Batman 66. He's really not designed that much anymore. Okay, that's why I was curious if that was considered design. Maybe he's working on another title. Well, maybe. You know, Trudeau had Ghostbusters and before that, what, WWE? Yeah, and then before that, Mustang. But he's due again. He's due up again. And then, of course, we don't know what Keith Elwin's working on. Is he still working on Archer? Because all that information... I got to have some. Me too. And thank God, I got to play that at Pinagogo two years ago. So because that actually played for me. That was a lot of fun. And I want to see him make that because I am a huge Archer fan. Yeah, me too. So Archer and Rick and Morty are two cartoon themes I could really... Bob's fur and teal. Oh yeah, absolutely. I would actually even maybe even pre-order them. Who knows? Yeah, if a Rick and Morty's rumor really got started, oh my gosh. That's number two against, of course, as you guys know, Disney, like a Disneyland theme. But number two would be Rick and Morty. But yeah, I hope Keith's working on Archer. That would be pretty awesome if they brought him in and to work on what he's already been planning. Cristiano Ronaldo is a legend who came from a far far away future and who is very much a part of the momentum of his career. Now right now, we hear much more evidence of how Tom Trudeau brought science fiction to ah, printed告失rd string cut out volumes, juggernauts cut out stories and wandering horror stories. You know, he's a real big science fiction fan.
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    You know, science fiction, fantasy, horror, the whole genre. So I think Guardians would be, you know, really right up his alley.
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    And I think he could do a lot of interesting things. It seems like though, from like, from like a marketing standpoint, it seems like that Guardians of the Galaxy would have like, like we've already missed the mark on that. Like, you know, because the movie's already out, right? Yeah, but you know they're they're gonna be tying them into Avengers down the road too, so
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    See that I don't know I'm not I'm not well, I'm curious what did Well when did the Star Trek movies franchise come out versus the Star Trek pinball machine I'm I'm wondering if they tied those together or if it's just such a big This is the pinball show, Black Water, Pinball Brothers, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Cengiz, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, John Pinball Podcast. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Raydaypinball Podcast. God within railcars that's why it's published 100 days before the departure ¿No se lo escol Xiao? Chuck pulled out, that was pretty funny. It is, that was awesome, it's good to see him doing that again. So, shall we segue into a little shop talk? Yeah, yeah, you want me to go ahead with mine first? Sure, what you got? Well, you know, I got that Black Rose a few months back, and I've been a big fan of Harbor Freight lately for inexpensive hand tools. So the two, I actually have two, and these things are great.
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    And that's the the telescoping little gizmo with a magnet at the end. So when you're, you know, unscrewing something and it drops somewhere and you can't see it, you just run that magnet around and clink, hey, you got it. And you know, or if a ball drops down or any part, you know, I got, you know, you guys know me, PL TONятиadaso Innovation 레따 BRETT PINNER Why is Power Bunclockwise личes a Norwegian Switchboard? I got to introduce to you. Yeah, I have all those too. I have a full garage full of tools. The other one is also magnetic. It's the little magnetic dish, the little metal dish. Looks kind of like about the size of an ashtray. Those are great because I just like, you can set it on, you know, you can set it anywhere, you know, on a counter nearby, on a workbench, in the game itself and when you're taking If you want to get your pinball parts in there, and then like with the plastics in that whole section, I bag them up in a zip lock and then write it down. So I keep everything compartmentalized as I'm taking pictures. And those two little gizmos are inexpensive, they should be in every pinball person's toolbox. If you listen to the show and you don't have those, go out and get them because again they're inexpensive and valuable. Jeff Koslake, It's never too early, man. Father's Day is coming up. Dude, I have all my shopping done by August. What's that? Father's Day is coming up tomorrow. It'll be a great Father's Day gift. Yes, it is. It would be a great Father's Day gift, so it makes a swell gift, don't it? It certainly does. So, those are my little, you know, shop talk cool tools to have in your pinball repair kit. You know, speaking of the magnetic ashtray, I just saw one online. I can't remember where I saw it. The evolution of that, it's a wrist band. It goes around your wrist that's got a magnetic portion on it. And so as you're undoing stuff, you just slap it on your wrist and it stays with your wrist wherever you move. I'm intrigued by that because one thing about the magnetic ashtray, as helpful as it is, sometimes I'm working somewhere in the machine where I don't have a good place for that magnet to stick. Yeah, just stick it to a side rail. Well, believe it or not, I have at least two machines where the side rail isn't magnetized. It doesn't work with the magnet. Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't know if that's some magic science-y thing that I just don't understand or if... how that happened, but not all of my side rails work for that. Wouldn't that be a non-ferrous metal then? Well, I don't know, because I don't speak nerd. I'm going to speak metal. You didn't take metal or is it a shop class or none of that? Well, see, since now back in your day, right, in the 40s and 50s, that was part of the curriculum. We didn't have non-magnetic metal. We were foolish and ignorant. We liked it. That's back when you guys didn't have filters on your cigarettes either. Yeah, exactly. In terms of shop talk, I was just going to throw this out there. I had my very first experience swapping incandescent over to LED a couple weeks back on fishtails, coincidentally enough. Big shout out to the guys over at Nifty LED, hooked me up with a great kit at the show, great price, great quality. So I bring it home, I sit on it for a week because I'm feeling kind of lazy after the I'm going to go ahead and start the show, but I finally start working through it. They've made it fairly idiot proof with instructions, a part list, and layouts and all that kind of stuff, but this is like the first time I've done a full swap. I've done incandescent to LED, just like frosted lights or whatever, which is, you know, you just don't have to think, you just start replacing all the bulbs. But this was like, oh, okay, this particular color has to go to this particular controlled light, etc., etc. So that was my first time doing this. And like I said, they made it fairly idiot proof, which meant I struggled with it mightily at first. There's like so many little bags of so many different types of colored bulbs. And I struggled at first and then I found my rhythm and it probably took me, I don't know, two to three hours to get through it over the course of a couple of days. But man, it sure brightened up the machine. All my, while I was in there, right, and pulling out the bulbs, I was cleaning the back side of the inserts and doing all the little stuff you're supposed to do. And so now when I turn it on, all of my inserts are fully lit and everything looks nice and sharp. So I was pretty happy with it, but it was fairly intimidating at the start, pushed through www.theiV Access
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    of my first time using colored bulbs for inserts, and I think the Nifty guys did a real good job of being tasteful with the colors, and like I don't have any color LEDs in my back glass, because those are the ones that really start kind of, I don't know if annoying is the right word, but they get kind of, I'll say it, ugly. You know, you get people that trentond Seiten, educational experiences, earlier in the episode, It's all individual shows and people do it really well and people were always like, oh, that's a bit much, but you know, teach your own. Yeah, I've seen the pictures. I haven't seen your fishtails since you've done it, but I've seen the pictures and it does look really good. Yeah, yeah. It kept the, you know, when you go, I like incandescence, but fishtails was a little bit on the dark side for me. So I felt like it kept the color scheme well. It doesn't scream out. I've been LED like some kits do but it definitely made everything brighter and cleaner and modernized a little bit and I think fish tails is one of those themes that's fine with LED you know it doesn't go against the theme of the pin. Yeah, no I think it looks good. Have you ever heard of the LED OCD board? Yeah, yeah, that's, I guess I'm, you know, it helps the flickering, but I, and I know, like, I've seen it on WPC, but I don't know what era is it, do you use it on any platform or is it a specific? Well, he, yeah, he makes a few different ones, like he makes a version for the Stern, like the SAM systems and White Star, he makes a board for the Williams system 11 and WPC. I've got them I think in about four or five of my games. They're a little pricey but man they make the inserts look so nice. It's not the really rigid on and off that you get with the LEDs but it makes that nice warm glow. Oh the light shows much more. Yeah it's much smoother, it's much easier on the eyes and it makes a lot of the cheaper LEDs look a lot nicer too. So if you don't have the really expensive SMD type LEDs in your games, it really helps kind of even out the really harsh flickering and things like that that they see. I think they're worth the money. The problem is that he typically sells out of them fairly quickly. So you got to get- He does them in batches. He does them in batches for sure. I'll have to check that out. If you get the opportunity to pick one up, definitely- I did something else to put on my shopping list. Thanks, Drew. Oh, cool. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, I can't let Rusty listen out because if it's something for Black Rose, I still have to put the under the cab lighting kit in. I still haven't done that yet. Oh, you haven't done that yet? I have not done that yet, man. Ever since I got back from Go-Go, I've just been, you know, just… Gone, gone. Yeah, gone, gone. Very deep in work and just family stuff, so, you know, with the The Boyz Trail Life and everything else. So I'm going to be volunteering the next couple of weeks at the fireworks stand. You know. Hey, you want to? Yeah, yeah. Can you volunteer at the fireworks stand? I just looked at the trail master and said, you had me at fireworks, man. You know. You had me at fire. That's it. Fire. Yeah. Fire. So I think we're about to wrap it up, guys. It's been a... Super fun show. Yeah. This is really a fun show. I'm really enjoying this. So Seth, we need to kind of go through the thank yous and all that good stuff and then how to get a hold of us. Of course, our email is thespinneraslit at gmail.com. Where can they hear us, Seth? I know SoundCloud. You can hear us on SoundCloud. That's our home. We're proud to announce we're officially on iTunes. Yay! Hey! So please give us a listen. Feel free to leave ratings and comments on our various platforms. We love to hear from you guys, questions, all those good things. Oh, and ACAST as well. Yes, absolutely. ACAST as well. And we still haven't heard back from Stitcher yet, have we? No. I put that help desk ticket in. Like almost a month ago. So ACAST, of course, our home at SoundCloud. And uh, iTunes? Oh, TuneIn. Thank you. And TuneIn. Um, uh, Drew, any, any, any tips on places to play in Reno? Um, I'd say the biggest place that you can play in Reno is either gonna be Comic Kingdom, where they have a lot of, uh, more classic games. It's more of kind of like a little comic book shop, but he's a great guy. He's got a lot of great, uh, machines in really good condition. Uh, a lot of older stuff too, so it's really nice to play some of those once in a while. If you're looking for some of the newer stuff, Beach Hut Deli has a killer, killer arcade. And they've got a lot of the more recent Sterns there, you know, Ghostbusters, you know, Twilight Zone. I think they've had Twilight Zone there for a while as well. So that's those are my top two places to go here in Reno. Cool, cool. So there's more to do and just gamble and go to Cabela's. All right, cool. Absolutely. Well, that's about it, really. Okay, cool. All right. Alright, and I think that's about all we have for tonight. Again, I want to thank our guest, Drew Nicholson, for coming on the show and sharing the wonderful world of warehouse raids and how to start a YouTube arcade channel. Yeah, no, thanks for having me. This is a great experience. I had a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. We'll have to do it again soon. Hey, I've got a couple shout outs. Please. Wanted to shout out to Rory who won Division A at Capital Corridor Pinball League tonight. Good job Rory. Yeah Rory, yay! And shout out to Izzy who cleaned house and won Division B tonight. Good job brother. After just coming back from a whirlwind European tour, yes. Right, right, yeah. Awesome Izzy. Good job guys. And then a shout out to Practical Steve and his brilliant daughter Haley who set a GC Grand Champion score on his shadow tonight. That is amazing, amazing feat for what, a 16 month old daughter. I know, I know. It's like awesome. Way to go Haley and practical Steve. Good shout outs. Well once again, thanks for tuning in and this is all we have tonight. Of course I'm one of your hosts, Spencer Klingin, and my wonderful co-host slash engineer, Seth Holder, and our very special guest, Drew Nicholson, Spinner's Lit Pinball Podcast. Play pinball. Keep America strong.