Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number six. Number six. Number six. The only pinball podcast that hasn't had a temper tantrum on the air. Coming at you never live from South Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Deep cut. Deep cut. I am Drew, and with me is the runner-up for the sexiest man in this basement. It's Ian, guys. How you doing today? Oh, man. I'm doing great. What are you drinking today, Ian? What am I drinking, sir? I am drinking... What do we got here? Jack Daniels Tennessee Honey? And it tastes so good in my tummy. How about you, Drew? What are you drinking? Do you like that flavored Tennessee Honey? I like anything that starts with Jack Daniels. It could be Jack Daniels ass sweat and I'm in, right? I got that. That's actually next week. You already ruined it. What are you drinking, dude? I am drinking Kessler's and La Croix. Did I say that right? I think it's pronounced La Croix. Actually, it's La Croix for all you fancy people out there. He is French-Canadian. He can't help it, guys. La Croix. Kessler and La Croix. And we do have a special little drinking treat with us today. my wife uh so lovingly bought me a whiskey of the month club for christmas and we're on month not a sponsor nope definitely not still waiting for that first sponsor flavier is that what that is flavier anyways uh everything's french today so every month she's like hey what do you want and then she gets me in front of the computer and i gotta pick out these different whiskeys and ryes and bourbons pretty cool so we get these little vials or what what do you say like three ounces maybe what does it say on there uh 45 milliliters whatever that is i don't know how to convert that to ounces but it's anyways so so this little this little canister comes it looks like the jurassic park uh canister with the uh frozen embryos and there's three of them every month and you get to choose and and today i am doing the irishman 12 year old single malt and what are you doing there ian i'm doing the powers uh john john's lane release so so today's special because we we are officially two-fisting we're gonna do episode six episode six we're two-fisting we're drinking our drink we also got another title now we're gonna call this the two-fisted episode just fucking why not yeah why not stories are are thin today stories are thin because I can't talk about Wonka anymore. You know what? As much as I love that game, I'm with you, Ian, because, yeah. Let's take a break. We are. We are officially Wonka-free today. Maybe. No, we're going to talk a little bit about it later. Maybe a little, but not like we have in the last couple of weeks. No, nothing completely dedicated to Wonka, just idiots talking about Wonka. How's that? Yeah, there you go. That's a little different. We're going to dedicate this episode to idiots that talk about Wonka. Not us. No, not us, but other people. oh other idiots how does that sound oh that sounds great you guys excited what's happening on pinside's marketplace oh there's actually been a lot of movement on there out of control uh the monsters pro premium even the limited edition there is like a fire sale on the marketplace i saw no less than 23 different games up for sale as of sunday night so that would have been you know the 21st so do we think that has more to do with the influx of new inbox games or just with maybe the code of the game well that's what i was you know i'm gonna ask you because to me i'm thinking that all right so the monsters came out and good shooting pin uh the theme for me wasn't really a huge hit but it is what it is it's a beautiful pin by franchi you know it just it just never grabbed me it wasn't anything there that was super exciting were you underwhelmed by it that was it man under underwhelmed would be a good one i like i like spot in the in the ramp that was the one thing i thought it is cool i thought that's kind of cool a little bash toy under a ramp but other than that herman munster it was kind of an uninspired bash toy and uh i did like to drag uh the drag race kickback um that was pretty cool on the left there but for the most part it was kind of a blah title for me so so you think uh john borg layout it's actually pretty good shoots beautifully okay i just wish they put more shit in it uh yeah yeah i think you're right if they would have maybe added i'll say it one more mech and and maybe some something would have made that thing pop now i'll put an asterisk next to this little mini review of mine because i did not play the premium or the limited edition so i don't know how that lower play field plays so um it looks badass i think it looks great sure that lower play field it's a full fully functioning play field down there for sure sure but i don't know if that i mean once again i didn't play it either i just don't think that'll add as much to the game as it probably you know something else on the play field might have right but i i guess when it comes down to it man i think that we're seeing this influx of sales because the code just is disappointing people it's not deep enough for longevity you know yeah yeah you know dwight sullivan did something a little different with this one he kept with his multipliers and stuff like he likes to do but he kept it a little more straightforward there wasn't as much yeah it's all it's almost like monster bash right yeah can we say that it's each individual yeah each individual character you gotta hit each one and then that kind of starts you in your wizard modes it's very Monster Bash-esque so whether you like it or not I mean I happen to have a Monster Bash and I love it so I like the simple rule sets but I also kind of dig the whole package that Monster Bash brings and with Monsters it just doesn't do it for me Monster Bash is loaded with mechs you know but yeah I think that's the difference isn't Lily like a stand-up target it literally is A series of stand-up targets? It's one long target that has two or three switches behind it. Right. Oh, yeah, it's not even individual. No. Nope, just one long switch. So, yeah, they don't even have a Lily, I guess. You know, I couldn't, when I was playing, I couldn't even find her. I was like, what the hell? You know, they say, you know, shoot for Lily. And I was like, ah, which one's Lily? And then it wasn't until after my game I looked. I was like, oh, shit, those are all the stand-up targets. And with the black and white animations, you know, the retro nostalgia thing obviously is huge. And that obviously goes back even further in the 80s. It's the 60s. But, yeah, I think it falls a little flat after a while. But if you have a bunch of pins in your collection, it's probably great because, you know, now you've got something a little unique, a little different that stands out. Right. Especially if you've got that premium. Yeah. That's a pretty looking machine. So that's kind of my take on that. Once again, if I could afford 10 pins, you know, maybe the Munsters. But if you're just going to have a couple of pins, I just couldn't see owning that and playing it over and over again. Why do you think you got a fire sale on Munsters then? Why do you think there's 23%? Well, you know what? I think it's positive. And by that, I mean, you know, every year, Stearns seems to be selling more and more pins. and and we'll never know that number but it's just kind of obvious that they're selling more pins now than ever so more people are buying them what does that mean more people are going to end up selling them well it's funny you said that because iron main i only found two games for sale and a deadpool there was only i think one new in box been for sale which could have been from a distributor i didn't even look but yeah i just find like it's so interesting that those two are relatively new games from last year and they're not selling as much as the monsters but monsters That might be true. That might be right. Monsters is the newest game. I mean, out of those three, if you were going to rank them, how would you rank them? Monsters, Iron Maiden, and Deadpool? Yeah. One, two, three. One being the best. Yeah, I guess it's got to go Iron Maiden, Deadpool, and Monsters. Yeah, I'd agree. Some people would say Deadpool. Yeah, I was going to say. And even me lately, as much as I love Iron Maiden, I said Deadpool's been growing on me. So I can dig some Deadpool for sure. Yeah. So I don't know. So if you're looking for a Munsters, man, now's the time to buy. What was the basement price? It was like $5,000, right? Yeah, it was about $5,000. I didn't see anything lower than $5,000. Sure. But you're talking about a game that's literally been out a few months, and you can pick one up for $700 or $800 off its retail value. Are we doing our own market watch? Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. No, we're not. Pick up your Munsters today. Why even buy new in box? when there's a million of them out there for sale. And it all came within like two weeks. But what you just said is an interesting point that I think we're in a situation now in today's market where if you really want a game, you should just wait a month or two. You can get it for $500 off, $600 off, $800 off. Right. I was meaning to do this, but I actually want to check out what Houdini's are going for now because that's another one of those games that yeah i don't see myself i could never see myself actually owning a houdini what what was retailing at 74.99 or was it 72.99 something like that yeah um it was seven yeah it was or was it seven it was like six nine wasn't it okay yeah i i'm not sure because i wasn't a buyer when it came out but it's such a pretty game so i'm looking here right now yeah brand new it looks like yeah still going for seven but on the used market we're looking at as low as five six i'm looking at five six so five thousand six hundred yeah okay so i'm eight firm so you you can buy a new one for seven yeah and you can get a used one for about five okay six to five nine for the price of a new stern pro yeah which i take over a stern pro no i was just about to say if you're talking about houdini versus you know several the new stern stern pros that's probably a pretty good bargain yeah no i i i dig the look of houdini again on location play when you play a dollar a pop man dude it's too fucking brutal man i'll never learn that game until i actually have it like in my collection you know what i'm saying hello my name is Steve Ritchie play better yeah for a dollar though i'd rather yeah yeah i'd rather see what they have from tap no it it is frustrating when you go to a place and you you stick dollars in because yeah you're right you realize after like 10 games how bad you are yeah exactly it's almost like going to the casino right i just stuck ten dollars in here i got nothing for it because i suck so bad and drain drain well houdini's like yeah i mean you know when we were at uh the local bar playing Attack from Mars, we put in, what, $20 that one day? Oh, my God, yeah. We played for a while. That was some fun shit. That was the Attack from Mars, not the remake, but the original. And there's a definite feel on that game than there is on the remake for sure. But, man, that was a lot of fun, dude. I had no problem putting in $20 for a fun shooting game. But with Houdini, after I lost like $3, I was like, well, fuck this shit. I'm never doing this again. I'm not trying that anymore. The shots are way too tight. I'll never figure this out. And then I'll see the catapult shot. I was like, all right, another dollar. I don't care. Another dollar. Fine. Another dollar. See the catapult again. I got unlimited dollar bills. So we're just kind of going through other games on the marketplace here. And what do you think about some of our classic Williams games? There's not a lot of movement there. We saw a couple of interesting games on there. But what do you think about just in general the Williams market? I think the top five Williams games, and that's debatable. I'm just picking a number right now. Sure. You know, Medieval Madness, Monster Bash, Creature from the Black Lagoon. What are some of the other high-priced Williams games? Lord of the Rings? No, that's Stern, dude. Oh, you're going strictly Williams? Yeah. I'm just talking about the Williams titles. Oh, Abb's Family, Twilight Zone. Abb's Family, Twilight. Okay, sorry. I was blanking there for a second. No, you're all right. I wasn't listening. Again. So anyways, those five or six pins, whatever, you can maybe even go up to ten. Those pins have kind of held their value. A lot of them are going for $6,000, $7,000. Yeah, I saw a creature the other day for $7,000. I saw Adam's family for $8,000. But short of that, even a game like Funhaus that's well regarded, you know the prices have started going down a little bit and i think it's because there are so many new in box games people want them you know they gotta start you know because even some of these wealthy guys well they're still limited by space right so they're like hey i got i got these 10 pins in my basement i can fit 10 pins in my basement i need one needs to go walk us coming in Oh shit, I talked about it. Correct. No Wonka talk. I already broke the Wonka rule. There's a Willy rule? There's a Wonka rule. Sorry. No Willys allowed. No Willys allowed. So yeah, it's just interesting to me that some of these games have started coming down in price. And like I said, some of those are going to hold their value. Like I said, Creature, they're still out there for $7,000, $8,000. It just is what it is. People want them. That's fine. Yeah, it's kind of cool looking at some of those older games and seeing the market for them. because, sure, you have your standard players-issued game out there, and you can get one pretty bare bones and dirty for a decent price. Like Creature, for example, $5,000. You can get a Creature for $5,000. That's not out of the realm of possibilities, but the second somebody cleans up those games, slaps a few mods on them, you're up to $9,000. I saw a Creature for $9,000. That's a huge jump. Is that worth it? Are you listening, whoever has that creature for five grand? Whoever that is. Spend a thousand bucks and then put it up for sale for nine. Is it worth it for me? No, not at all. Not for a creature. And I love creatures. Yeah. I just... Can someone please email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com? Because... Ian, tell them why you're chuckling. Because we finally have a sign-up. That says poormanspinball at gmail.com. Yeah, Ian finally put a sign up. And when he says sign, it's a little post-it note that has our email address on there. We stop fucking it up, you know? We fuck it up every damn time. Every week we're drinking, and every week it's like, oh, poor man's pinball pussy. Podcast. Yeah, no. Podcast is in there, right? No? No. Fuck. Poor man's pinball at gmail.com. Oh, wait. I did it again. Anyways. So I wrote, you know, I've got to sign up. Now we can't mess it up ever again. Episode 6 is... Yeah, we'll be reading this. Episode 6. I even did our Facebook, which is funny because it's just the name of our podcast. I even wrote that just so we didn't mess that one up. And what's that, Ian? That's at Poor Man's Pinball Podcast on Facebook. Oh nice So look us up and like us please Oh that was good That was professional I like that I felt professional when you said it So anyways moving on or back or whatever Yeah, back to actual Williams games and getting them all souped up and out the door. So if anyone out there has these games, can you explain to us why you would pay, yeah, $9,000 for a creature today when you can get an alley of Wonka or a stern alley or something. I mean, I'm sure there's people out there that do it, and that's fine. I just want to know why. I got two that I looked up for you. Let me know if that's a deal or no deal. No, let's see, a fly or a buy. Okay. Fly would be your passing on it. I got you. Fly or buy? Here we go. Ready? Fly or buy? Impromptu game. All right. We got a on-pin side marketplace right now. You have a regular Twilight Zone for $10,000. Okay. Or would you pay $12,000 for, I don't know how he can verify this, but a home use only Twilight Zone. There was one out there for $12,000. Home use only Twilight Zone. $12,000. Two extra thousand dollars. Wait, buy or buy? Does this mean I got to just choose one or the other? Well, which one do you think you would prefer to buy? I'd go with the lower price one. $10,000. Yeah, because there's, A, like you said, there's no way to really verify it. That's the hardest part. So if I am a high-end collector, I can't verify the pedigree. It just can't happen. Right. Here's another one for you, and I already know the answer to this, but I just find the dollar difference staggering. Ready for this one? Mm-hmm. So a regular attack from Mars, they said player's condition, five grand. Okay. That seems reasonable. It does seem reasonable. Mm-hmm. But there's also another one right next to it. It's an Attack from Mars, another original, but this is a collector's edition where they... Yeah, collector's quality, I should say. Quality, yeah, not edition. Yeah, quality, where they souped everything up, cleaned everything up, went over the boards, robbers, cleaned the playfield, the playfield's pristine. Everything's perfect on it. They're asking double. They're asking ten. that one's tough because now some of that stuff i could do myself you know right clean it up take it apart do some things new rubbers all that stuff but you know some of these companies what's that one like hep yeah high-end pinball whatever it's called the hep restorations you know i don't know what they charge right something like that when you shop a game out correct how much does that actually cost i think i think it's somewhere i'm just seeing fuckers shop out some retarded games Oh, yeah. Totally. Gilligan's Island I saw shopped out. I've seen that one, yes. What was funny was the first thing that came to my mind was, I want Gilligan's Island, actually. That looks cool. A lot of people talk about it. I don't think it's a terrible game. I think it's just one of those games that, you know... It's a good entry-level game. Yeah, sure. Whatever. But I think, generally speaking, call it $5,000 to do serious work on your pinball. You know what I mean? Really? That much? Yeah. Yeah, if you're sending it to someone, shipping aside, you know, it's a whole other thing. But say you drop it off at this HEP or whatever. Right. Yeah, I think you're a minimum of, yeah, $3,000 to $5,000 just to, like, rip it apart. I could see $3,000. Yeah. I could see $3,000. Yeah, and I don't know. I'm guessing. Yeah. Just because, you know, most kind of manual labor like that, it's going to cost a pretty penny. Gotcha. So call it for fine. Four thousand dollars will meet in the middle. OK, you're going to pay that to get it cleaned up and brand new stuff on there. So you're saying you would buy on the five and fly on the 10? Oh, yeah. OK, yeah, I would. I would definitely buy the five. And for me, because once again, soup it up. Yeah, I would. I would do some cleaning. I would I would do what I I'm knowledgeable in doing to get it done. Yeah. as long as if everything works on it yeah because for me you know i don't need everything to be pristine right i just want a game that i can play and have fun with yeah if it works yeah correct if it's working 5 000 that's that's pretty good even if you have to swap a play field i've never done it i think you and i could figure that out oh yeah it would take us 10 years but we'll get it done yeah we'll probably do it backwards hey man aren't the flippers supposed me in front of the fucking machine yeah flipper's coming down at you man this machine's fast actually you know what that's probably a really cool idea i don't know stern are you listening that's our stern are you listening segment for the week flipper's shooting down at you i can be a John Papadiuk this is easy last week you were John Papadiuk i was i was oh man but yeah i play players condition all day i when i see players condition i actually get a little excited i i i sport a little wood because i'm like oh players condition i can fuck with this i can get this game cheaper it's it's beat up a little bit but as long as it's working yeah it reminds me of like our arcade days when you were to look at a game and it's dirty as shit and read it out but the monitor still works yeah you're like sold totally wait the monitor looks good done and done and done i don't even care about the joysticks and the missing buttons last week i made an offer yeah all sorts of spider webs on doesn't matter the monitor is looking great you're buying it every time last week i made an offer on a um there was a simpsons pinball party down in illinois yeah um they were only asking 3800 for it it was a steal yeah correct it was a player's condition it was a machine everything worked though and this is a company that they actually they route machines so They know what they're doing. And, you know, I lowballed the guy. I sent it in. I said, hey, would you take $3,000 for it just to see? Well, the thing was already sold because, yeah, like you said, it's a steal. I mean, at $3,800, I looked into it. You know, I could have bought a play field and, you know, learned how to swap and do all that cool stuff. So, yeah. No, 100%, man. That's what I'm into. Very cool. So, yeah. um the other other thing i got down here for my notes here is uh there was a lord of the rings and there's like actually a few of them but they were all the same price 6k what do you think did you see a thousand for a lord of the rings did you see the one going for five oh that's stupid that's awesome man there there was one in california sale was pending okay um it was for 5050 bucks i think and i was like holy shit i mean it was and and it was a yeah players condition but it wasn't like beat up or anything it was just a used game and uh that's the lowest i've seen it's a beautiful price for that correct and right now there's one in north brook illinois that i'm looking at it's 5700 or best offer right and and it's a supposedly a home use only it looks clean and good so yeah i don't know when uh stern switched to their model was it Ghostbusters where they did the pro premium and limited edition. I'm not 100% sure if that's the case, but yeah, you're probably around there. That's when it all kind of went south for me, man. Because they took a game like Lord of the Rings and then they said, well, this is our base model, but we're now going to call it a premium. And now we're going to take a bunch of shit out and call it a pro. But charge you the same shit we were charging you last year. that's what drives me crazy and then for a limited edition we'll just powder coat the fucking legs there goodbye there are people who talk about they could buy new sterns for thirty eight hundred dollars and this wasn't that long ago by the way people right and you know we weren't in the hobby then and and once again inflation didn't cause these prices to go up $2,000. No, no. Man, so imagine buying a Stern Pro today for $3,800. Fine. Hold on. I just... Hold on. Hold on. I got a text here from Gary Stern. Shut the fuck up. Whoops. Uh-oh. Gary heard us. Sorry. Giving away all our trade secrets. Sorry, Uncle Gary. Even if he did have Ian's number, he wouldn't be texting him. You know why? Because... We're not live? Well, there's that. I was being more philosophical than that. But the reason is because they're still selling games. And they're selling lots of games, right? And until us as consumers quit buying said games. They're still king. Yeah. Why would they change? Seriously. They're a smart company. I mean, obviously, there is something out there in people's heads about Stern. And I like Stern. don't get me wrong love stern all right drew loves stern i like stern mostly from that lord of the rings period i get it that they gotta make a buck but it's like one of these things that people are just stuck on stern and they look at a game like black knight pro and go instead of saying oh wow this game is so empty there's not a lot there they go this game shoots fucking fast and they get so excited about it yeah and i get it i mean i still think it's gonna do good on location even though you don't however i really really was disappointed in that game but the stern people are just the fanboys they're going nuts over this game they are they are also on the same thing shitting on the game that will not be named today uh rhymes with illy anka we'll call him we'll call him william w william w is getting shit on left and right and but Everyone seems to be fucking cool with one toy and a ramp to another play field for $2,000 more and some plastic. Yes. And to your point, because... That took a while to get out. Sure. Because once again, there are people out there that, A, they just like the fact that there's games coming out. And you can't discredit Stern for that. I mean, they're releasing games. They're making games and they're giving them to the public. and two um yeah i don't know if there's a two but sorry we'll keep that in though because that was kind of funny but uh yeah as long as they once again as long as they keep making games at a faster clip than everyone else because even for william w the game willie um you know that game it sounds now like it might not get shipped until you know july you know maybe even later They're just going to keep doing it, which is good. Because as long as they keep making games, it's good for the industry. And that's fine. I mean, it's kind of weird because most industries don't have this. Are there too many games? Too many games. New games. Too many new games. Well, you know what? That's a great question, Drew. How I feel about the current market is this. And I think we've all agreed that although we all like to think that this industry is growing, this hobby is growing, The demand is not quite up to where the industry thinks it is, right? It's not growing as fast as they're making games. Right. Because there is Stern alone. If you eliminate every other company, Stern alone basically fills the quota. Am I not? You know what I'm saying? And Stern might even be oversaturated in the market. Right. I agree with that. And so these other machines that come out, yeah, it's tough, man. I think it's totally oversaturated. the market you know we're again we're on different ends of the spectrum you think this hobby is growing growing growing i think it is a nostalgia thing i still think it's gonna burst eventually that's just where i'm at but drew is on the opinion that that it's a growing hobby and everyone loves it i i think i think even like people outside the hobby and economists and stuff um we should maybe we should get an economist on our show can we do that i don't know any do you No, not a one. But anyways. I'll shoot an email over to CNN Money. Economy.com. Does CNN have a money channel? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But if. He smells terrible, by the way. Whatever I'm drinking here. But if you talk to people, I think it is growing. And that's just not me being an optimist. But once again, I don't think it's growing nearly as fast as they're pumping out games. And that's the problem. Right. Because are there more people buying games? Well, shit, Ian and I, we've bought one, two, three new games in the last year. Yes. Where before that, we bought zero. Yes. So that just shows you that, hey, that's three new games that were purchased from Ian and I. And there's lots of other people out there doing the same thing. I got a question for you. Sure. just often i'm listening i'm like staring drew drew drew and i were we're in our late 30s all right and we've been seeing a lot of themes that some have been kind of our our generation but a lot have been in the 40 50 year old generation and i get that how do you feel i mean drew you and your friends and everyone you know and and i'm trying to think of people that i know um do you know anyone else in pinball that's kind of our age like that you grew up with or you know they think of pinball? Because I actually, what reminded me of this question was, I was on Facebook and a guy I went to school with way back in the day, he posted on Facebook about going to the new arcade in Southridge, the mall, the arcade round one. That's it. And he named all sorts of games that he wanted to play, but he didn't mention pinball. That's kind of what sparked my, what do you think, man? Do you know a lot of people? That's easy. No, not a one. I don't know anyone either. And I'm not saying that's because the market isn't growing. I'm just saying maybe our generation isn't that pinball focused. We're like the first generation that's home console grown. Sure. We were the Sega Genesis and Nintendo generation. We are the first ones. We may have dipped our toes in Atari a bit, and then we went right from nintendo to sega super nintendo all that yeah yep here's that's kind of another theory i have kind of kicking around here here's my take on it though our generation could kill it okay so so the general person interacts with i'm making up numbers now to to 200 people in a given month, year, whatever, right? 100% of the facts he's just given are inaccurate. And that fact is inaccurate. Who you work with, your family, your friends, whatever, people on Facebook. Okay, the average person has 200 people, 300, whatever it is, okay? Yep. We can all agree on sort of on that number, sort of. Yep. So, and of those 200 people, maybe five of us are into pinball, right? Me, you, a couple of our friends, right? Maybe. Yeah, I get it. Okay. So, if the hobby is growing and say it doubles, right? What does that five people become? Ten, right? I'm doing the math. Hold on. Don help me here Don help me I got my socks off I counting Don tell me I going to say send So that my point though Liquor is kicking in Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker. Willy Wonka. Willy Wonka. Oh, shit. Oh, man. Anyways. Candy is dandy. So my point is that, yes, we're part of a small, small segment of the population to begin with. if we double it we're still a small small segment of the population so right to your point that that really doesn't matter because that's not going to give you an indication of how big the hobby really is does that make sense yeah i'm paying attention to all of that yeah yeah he wasn't but but tell you i love you intelligent you were going yeah you were going pretty hard i you lost me at You know 200 people. I only know two people. You and my wife. That's it. You lost me there, but that's okay. And my wife's not into pinball. So if we doubled and got Dan and Eric into pinball, then we would double. Oh, we'd triple. That'd be triple. We did our job. We did it. That wouldn't be triple. Two to four. Oh, now he's doing the real math after all this. I can't do anything over 10. We've talked about that. Quit doing math. You're going to hurt yourself. So that's all I'm saying. That's interesting. It is. We could probably talk another two hours on that subject, though. And we will. No, we won't. No, I can't do that to you people. No, so that's it, guys. It is growing. More people are buying machines. It's true. And when you listen to talk to some of the distributors, those people know what's going on because they're selling these fucking things. I know, and I would like to know an age range. I want to know how many 30-year-olds are buying pinball machines. Maybe that's why we don't see the Beetlejuices. Beetlejuice. Probably not many. You're right. We're in the minority here. We're in the minority of a minority niche hobby. And we have a podcast. We might be the youngest podcast. Although I think Zach's younger than us. Motherfucker. I'm watching you, Zach. I got a picture of your birth certificate, brother. I know how old you are. Not creepy, though. Not creepy. Pinball birther. 2019. The scandal. Dun, dun, dun. What is going on? Where do we get off the rails on this one? Can you tell when the alcohol kicks in? Oh, my God. The liquor kicks in. The show goes to shit. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm sober and having a great time here. I'm having a great time. You're just being something, Ian. Yeah. Thank you. You're so kind. All right. What do we got next, Ian? Well, let's do ourselves a favor and do Podcast Roundup. Podcast Roundup? Podcast Roundup. Podcast Roundup. Podcast Roundup. I don't know why we feel the need to say it like that But we do podcast roundup Never gets old No, it's awesome, podcast roundup Well, Drew I'm here reading your notes And all you wrote is podcast meltdowns What? Who melted down this past week? Well, first of all, it's not all I wrote I just wrote that in capital letters I just wanted to make sure everyone understands where we're going with this Yes, there were a few podcast meltdowns this week. A lot of hurt feelings, man. Many, many hurt feelings. Listen, I want to give them all big hugs. They're all our brethren, our podcast brethren. What do we call it? The podcast hug? Yeah, we got to do the podcast hug. Here's our podcast hug to you. And I'm literally hugging the air. He is. It's okay. It's okay. It's fine. Don't listen to those meat internet police. You're fine. You just keep doing you, man. It's all good. I love you. I gave him all a kiss on the cheek. That's fine. Isn't it interesting, though, how some of these guys seem to have really thick skin, but then they get a little butthurt about different things, and they voice it out on the air, which is fine, because that's what we're here for. We can talk about whatever we want. It's our podcast. It's their podcast, right? Right. I think that it is interesting because it takes a level of, dare I say, even courage to even put yourself out there as a podcast like we do. Sure. Nobody likes public speaking. Yeah. Nobody does. And we put ourselves out there every week just because, one, it entertains us, number one. And number two, I think we feel like we have something to share. It does take a little bit of guts to go out there And talk every week And you are susceptible to people that come in Look at Kaneda right Kaneda is a great example The dude gets a lot of shit on all the time You can't even mention Kaneda on Pinside Without him getting shit on But he still does his podcast every week Like four or five of them every week I was going to say we're on episode six He did six last week I think So Scale alone But yeah the meltdowns man And people just get really upset about what people say and email. And you know what? To be honest with you, I really – it was a shame to even listen to it because it's like – it's nothing even to be upset about because anyone who ever critiques somebody for being excited about a pinball machine. Correct. That's – It's so stupid. Yes. And to be upset about somebody being upset about you for liking a pinball machine is so stupid. It is. But for those of you out there who are listening to us and maybe don't listen to some of these other podcasts, we're going to talk about them a little bit. So we'll start with Ken from Special Windlet. Great podcast. Love listening to it. Ken and Bill do an excellent job. They've been doing it, what, a year or so, roughly? Yep, yep. They're a little bit ahead of us in both quality and quantity. However. Well, at least in quality. and quantity yeah and quantity they're they're way ahead of us and and they do light years ahead of us but they do yeah they sound professional and they are professional even though we don't get paid for this so uh but yeah they had a whole episode i can't believe you called them out we're just gonna call you out on blast now ken sorry you know my whole take on that thing was uh you know ken he went on a rant about yeah some of the pin side stuff and then he didn't call him up by name you know just leave it alone then i mean because you know we're gonna call a few people out by name oh if someone gives us shit yeah oh i like what you're saying there right so that pick up what you're putting down drew so that was just my take on it that i said yeah ken and bill next time ken instead of you know being all apologetic call these fuckers out and be like all right how many times have you played this so so yeah pinball podcast etiquette number 101 i'm making it up as we go yeah uh chapter 7 page 14 yeah man dude just call him out man tell him to go fuck off because don't don't get all upset about it and don't be all pg about it either correct he he took the high road which i respect him for because that's kind of his thing which is fine yeah yeah but it wasn't fun to listen to no no it's not entertaining obviously But yeah you know Then why are you even mentioning it You know that's my whole thing Like I said I like listening to you guys But you know just Either say hey Drew and Ian You're being shitbags and we don't want to listen to you Or just don't say it at all Right Okay so you just want them to go out there and be like Yeah Oh so we had so and so hate on us because of this And so and so hate on us because of that And all you people that think that we're shills for jersey jack you know what yeah go fuck yourselves we're not getting paid to do this how are we a shill you can't be a shill if you're not getting paid by a company yeah right everyone needs to understand that because yeah no one here gets paid yeah anyone that says they're a shill of something that means they're getting some sort of benefits for saying what they're saying are you saying because they got invited to some shitty warehouse where they make games all of a sudden Boom. That's enough of an incentive to, you know, promote a game. No, no. Drew and I, however, will be shills. For anybody. For anybody. For any amount of money. Third, JJP, American Pinball. I'm looking at you, Haggis. Haggis, you're outside to promote your product. We're very, very cheap. So we will definitely be shills for you. We're cheaper than Zach Manning. Easily cheaper. Great Lakes Pinball. You're in our neighborhood. Hey, there you go. Ditch Zach. Oh, that's right. Ditch Zach. Come to us because we're so cheap. And our 100 listeners will definitely buy your video. We'll do it for some Willy Wonka candy. Yeah. I don't even know. Maybe a few dollars here or there. Five bucks, six bucks. I'll sell whatever the fuck you want. Like I said, I like what you guys are doing. You want to be a shill? I'll be a shill. I'll totally be a shill. Anyone wants to sell a product to us, we will be the shills. Yes. we'll show all your products yeah because we have we have millions and millions of listeners quote donald trump millions sorry i we went too far again but yeah anyway but the story is that was my take that everyone's mad at them for being shills drew and i openly trying to be shills yeah it's just not working right now wow we're having two different conversations here it sounds like yeah i'm on the shill bandwagon now i know i'm talking about podcast monotones and you're like i'll show for you i'll show for anybody i'm off i'm a pinball whore you want to send me a willy wonka for free i will i will i will make sweet love to willy wonka on my podcast for the next year and a half guaranteed so anyways so that was a special one lit that's fine who else was who else was getting a little butt hurt oh kaneda oh chris chris chris are you listening i know you are he listens he listens i saw one person in new york downloads us it's got to be him thank you kaneda we're gonna shit on you for a bit no i'm just joking we won't shit on you Yes, we are. How are you going to? All right. I'm not going to shit on him. I'm just. Drew, proceed. I want to hear this. He gives his opinions. We're giving ours. We have a forum here. Are you ready? Yeah. Go for it. Okay. So, Kaneda, Mr. Chris, what was that? Two days ago? Three days ago? The letter H podcast? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Yeah, you're right. so a couple days ago he um did it one of his pin side baby um the muppet baby ones i love those he calls them pin side baby rants or whatever he that's that's the name of the the thing this one was the letter h brought to you by the letter yes so his whole thing was about uh mr orick on Pinside had some problems with the fonts on the Willy Wonka machine so he went through this whole thing about auto trace and auto illustrate apparently he's a creative director for something and he knows all about it which is great and Kaneda just blasted him but in his blasting he just went nuts and he even said before he started the whole thing this is not a family friendly episode he dropped more f-bombs than we drop you know we never even have a disclaimer fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck he just you got into it i got into it he he just but he just went on a tirade for it was that 18 minute episode and about 12 to 15 of those minutes were just a tirade about how people are over sensitive and over hypocritical and and hypocritical and all this sorry not hypocritical hypercritical about all these different things on different machines and my thing on that is he's done the same thing in the past he's been very hypercritical and hypocritical on lots of stuff correct uh yeah that's why i love him yeah correct no he but once again to his credit and i was talking to ian about this before he called himself out on it uh an episode or two later because he does what 10 episodes a week 20 20 an episode or two later this week because we were having trouble keeping up he did say he goes yes i've been very hyper critical of machines in the past and i've i've nitpicked on some of this stuff don't be a hypocrite that's what i'm saying that's what the letter h stands for right go ahead you got anything to add to that yeah i guess my whole take was slightly different than yours drew i mean i was kind of right there with with chris on that entire tirade i was i was on the whole thing really i was on his shoulder i was the devil on his shoulder going really give it to or i could give it to him give it to him yeah yeah that's it that's it so what end though what what purpose i don't give a fuck man okay you're gonna spend that much time analyzing the letter yeah no i think no i think it's crazy you deserve all sorts of okay critical especially since auric himself um like six posts down even shares like a calendar from warner brothers with the h not up to his standards same fucking h yep so you're telling me that jersey jack takes a logo from a you know a license so in this case warner brothers and puts down their pinball machine and all of a sudden they're bad they're bad at art and that's kind of what this fucking felt like i was like you kidding me you're really going to be bitching about how it was all like um taken and destroyed by jjp is basically what orc was going after yeah he was saying uh the life had been sucked out of it are you fucking kidding me just because yeah it is yep on the crossbar of h i mean i was right there with chris i was like oh fuck this guy and this is the reason why pin side sucks and i don't even think he was upset about what orc said it was the 30 thumbs up or got from that stupid ass sure sure and let me put some effort into that stupid post let let then orc later two pages down sorry but two pages down he's telling people to get a life it's not a big deal yet clearly or spend some time on that fucking sure so tell me i'm out of control here let me be clear i'm just merely reporting this you know i'm getting in the ring baby yeah my my stance on it is yes i think talking about the letter h is ridiculous and like i said my only point to chris was that in the past he has made some similar statements about art or fonts or whatever it is about other pinball machines and he loves willy wonka a lot or we call it uh william w because they're not saying the name willy w so but but to his credit once again yeah it is silly you're right the whole thing about an H and some font, it's just dumb. And it shouldn't even be brought up. But we're giving legs to it because that's what we do. And now we have no other content, so we're just running with it. It's happening. It's happening. So that's all. Hey, Drew. Yes. How are you feeling about some love letters Ooh love letters Love letters I got a good one for this week Alright Do you want to start us off Let keep it going baby Hold on. Let's take it for you there. Love letters. Alright, Drew. Go for it, brother. Are you ready for my love letter? We are ready, brother. Okay. I got a special one for this week. My voice just changed. I think Ian's messing with the levels. Yeah, he's got a little level. Because you mumble during the levels. I'm going to try to be clear and concise. Drink your whiskey yet? No, we're working on it now. This is the vial of whiskey. Alright, ready. Oh, that's awful. I'm chilling, Mike. I didn't know what to expect. That was terrible. Okay. I'm going to get back in the mood after that love letters love letters dear Kaneda Chris dying here oh that is terrible oh alright sorry Drew start over dear Chris I love listening to your podcast I love the way you don't just stir the pot but you throw a grenade in it I love that you have love for all your haters and revel in the hypocrisy that reveals itself on Pinside and your show I really enjoy having 3-5 episodes to listen to each and every week I have nothing better to do than to listen to your calming voice dropping F-bombs about the letter H. Your fashion sense is something we can all aspire to have one day for ourselves. We all miss you in the Pinside forums and all the other forums you have been banished from over the years. you certainly hold the record for the highest number of nobody gives a shit for banishments ever please don't stop put on some socks sarcastically yours Drew P.S. Chris keep up the good work man we love you and Ian had no idea that was coming I didn't want to read it I saw it in my notes and I was like I saw oh shit he's saying something about Canada I'll hold off on that one give it up Chris seriously alright you're happy alright here we go time for your love letter I'm gonna finish the rest of this Irishman while you're doing that don't choke my friend don't choke here we go dear Monster Bash Like any other gentle lover I try to throw you away For something far flashier I gave in to carnal lust When I should have stayed true to you Your holes are so familiar Your looks so pure and timeless Your multiple balls Are something I still dream about The way you drain all over me Makes me shiver I am forever glad You are all mine I love you And that is Love Letters ladies and gentlemen I hope you driving in your car Didn't steam up those windows too much And you are driving safe my friends We're going to rename this Love Train Wreck Oh this is a good one that was a good week It was good Oh man Again every week it gets dumber Oh man If you love our Love Letters send your love to poormanspinball at gmail.com. Hey, you know what? That's a great idea. Let's have you guys send your love letters to poormanspinball at gmail.com. Send your own personal love letters. We will read it on the air. We will. And we will read it during our love letter section. That's awesome. Yeah. Love letters all around, guys. So bring in your love letters. poormanspinball at gmail.com. Send me an email. Send an email. That's all. Say that Gucci jeans look great with leather jackets and no socks and shoes, right? Boom. Ba-dum-bum. I'm pretty sure Canada wears socks, though. They're just low-cut socks. Never wear socks. Are you sure? Chris, email us at barman2watchemail.com. Yeah, Chris. Let us know if you wear socks. Let us know if you wear socks. We're dying to know. This is Sock Watch Does Chris wear socks? Oh, we're starting that every week Every week This is day one Day one of Kaneda Sock Watch Yep I'm writing it down, it's happening Kaneda Sock Watch Alright Until Kaneda emails us and says that he does wear socks Yep, we're gonna do it Yep, day one Alright, day one started now Alright Should we do some selfish plugs? Sure, plug away dude I feel like our whole show is selfish plugs I don't care I'm awesome, you're awesome We're awesome together We're doing good He's still drinking that vial Oh, the Irishman is stingy Oh dude, this one is killing me Oh, what is that, the powers? Man, you've been chilled We're really drinking these vials of whiskey, and it's pretty brutal. While we're drinking. I am dying here. Hold on. Let me take a sip here. I almost died. All right. So, yeah, this Wednesday, folks, hopefully we can get this uploaded by Tuesday night. Oh, yes. This is exciting. Yeah, we're really pumped. We're really excited. My wife's allowing me to go out and play, so tell them what we're doing. so fantastic uh a fantastic man by the name of ryan uh you can uh see his twitch uh stream turbo graphics underscore seven that's t-u-r-b-o-g-r-a-f-x underscore seven uh ryan is our boy now he lives just down the road from us actually we just learned learned that and uh he messaged us through Facebook Messenger and now we're best friends. Is it too early to say we're best friends? I keep saying it. He hasn't responded back. I'm just going to say we're best friends. Can I just have that? Ryan, we're best friends. We're best friends, Ryan. He might uninvite us now. But we are going to... Drew and I are going to be busting our stream cherry. Breaking it. We're going streaming, baby. How excited are we, man? Seriously. Drew and I are going to go swimming in the stream that is the internet. We're going to be on Twitch. My pants are raising. I don't even know what game we're going to play. Do you know? He has Lord of the Rings. He has Metallica. He has Simpsons Pinball Party. Simpsons Pinball Party. What is he babysitting right now, Ian? He's only babysitting three games. Oh, only three? The lamest games you've ever heard. Old Stern Classics. classics yeah um one being quick silver oh my god another one stargazer you ever hear that one you hear that that's me jerking off under the table and what is cyclops oh my god how cool is ryan seriously and he has what uh no he has dialed in yeah he's got a dialed in oh man he has so many anyways we're going there we're streaming we're gonna drink with the man i told my wife about this and I told her how excited I was and I said I want my house to be like that and she said good luck with that with or without you woman I'm going to do it one day let's give it up for Ryan's wife Ryan's wife thank you way to let him do his thing that is hell of a collection what a wonderful wife I'm sure I hope I get to meet her on Wednesday but we this Wednesday we are going to be streaming live we're going to get there around 7 so after 7 tune in to twitch TurboGrafx underscore 7 that's T-U-R-B-O-G-R-A-F-X underscore 7 and we Drew and I and Ryan we're going to fucking tear it off we're going to destroy his machines when we're done not one of them is going to be working probably not I'm sorry Ryan we're not gonna break your machines please please let us keep coming over yeah can we still like be cool with friends can we come over and play now drew knowing ryan as well as i do which i don't really know him that well but i'm assuming he's got tilt bobs on his machine so drew you cannot ass rape that machine like you do my monster bash oh the monster bash like it starts at like you know this point in the basement and when i'm done with it it's literally like three feet to the left yeah dude it is uh we play with no tilt bobbers for a reason you do what we want we're fucking extreme yeah we do extreme pinball we're kind of kind of badasses no uh but i'm kind of bad at pinball we should probably we should probably talk about etiquette for our stream man oh yeah so all right so pinball etiquette do we wear our own t-shirts i mean is that like you know like you go to a concert the band isn't wearing their own t-shirts They wear other band t-shirts Yeah but we're not his stream So yes I'm wearing my t-shirt You're going to wear your t-shirt Maybe I shouldn't wear it just so we don't match What do you think? Should I wear the special one lit t-shirt? That's a comfy one That one's good I like wearing that a lot Ken and Bill thank you Sorry about shitting on you earlier I'm not but I'm still wearing your shirt You got a great shirt And a great podcast They're awesome um anyway back to etiquette so what do you think um you know if you talk to bill and uh ken they actually had this conversation a few weeks ago did you hear that one no so he said he never shakes a machine ever okay that he doesn't own or just no ever all right so he doesn't nudge or anything it's got nope how the hell do you play without nudging you have to listen to it don't don't quote me on this but no they were he was very adamant about i know you don't nudge another person because correct unless you know them very well you ask them oh there you go you ask them hey ryan if you're listening can i nudge your machine ryan can i as ian puts it ass rape your machines because that's what i do i i play tough i play hard yeah i'm all about high scores so Well, we're excited, man. This Wednesday, we're going to stream. Ryan, we are so excited. His voice cracked. Did you hear that, folks? It did. It's 9-13 again. I know. My wife's on. You know what? Today, I told her this several days ago, and today my wife's like, oh, on Wednesday, you're going to do that stream thing in Caledonia? I was like, yes. We're bathing in the stream. Oh, man. Internet, did you hear us? We're going to be there, buddy. Oh, I'm excited. Ryan, TurboGrafx-7, thank you. Thank you very much for having us. You are invited officially to our podcast. Yes. Hopefully we can get you on and we can shoot the shit about pinball, man. You probably have way better opinions. Yeah. Yeah. I have 20 machines. What do you guys have? One. Well, if we combine our pinball collections together, we have two. Yeah. We have a Monster Bash and a Metallica. Oh, we sold our old machines to get new ones. It's different. We're kind of in flux right now. We didn't start off 10 years ago where all these machines were cheap. This is true. We had to buy cheap machines and pay good money for them. Yeah. And then sell them. And then clean them up and sell them. And now I'm just going to mortgage everything to get a Wonka Bader. Yeah, I know. I know. I just want a Wonka Bader. So those connected the dots with my love letter. I'm not selling my Monster Bash because. Nope. He's keeping it. I actually had a guy come. He was going to come by to. He was going to get it. Look at it. He was ready. He was going to purchase it. I know. I felt bad. I started cleaning it off and dusting it off. I said to myself, I can't let you go, man. It's my first new in-box baby, and it's just too much fun to play. Monster Bash is a great fucking game, man. I don't care what anyone says. It's a great game. It's almost perfect in my mind. It could be a little bit deeper, but other than that, it's a perfect game. I love you, Monster Bash. All right, should we wrap it up? We should wrap it up. We're at the hour and ten minute mark. Editing will be down to 30 minutes. We finally did it. First. That's a fist bump. First podcast ever. All right. So just a reminder, folks, send your love letters to 4manspinball at gmail.com. Like us on Facebook, 4manspinballpodcast. We desperately want your likes on Facebook because it feels important to us. Oh. Speaking of which, do we have a tattoo update? Christopher Franchi has not sent me artwork. I have not gotten a tattoo yet. Real quick, so Christopher Franchi is starting a podcast segment with Slapsave. Yeah. Jason Fowler. So email Slapsave at... Slapsave at ChrisFranchie.com. We don't know their email. No, no we don't. I can contact those guys. Tell Christopher Franchi to send me some artwork so I can get this tattoo already. Yeah. Because I'm sick of waiting. Forget that. Everyone, go to Christopher Franchi's page. Yeah. Just say, can you get his artwork for a tattoo? Send him anything. A doodle. We said a doodle on an ass. Yeah, that's what I said. It takes two minutes to make a doodle. You don't want to put it on him. So that's... On his ass. Yeah, no. No. All right. So, poormanspinball at gmail.com. Send your love letters there. On Facebook, like us. at four minutes pinball podcast look at the stream on wednesday this wednesday how exciting is that the 24th we will be uh on turbo graphics 7 on twitch so that's t-u-r-b-o-g-r-a-f-x underscore seven so watch for us there is that it drew that's it man all right and we love you guys thank you so much for listening love you love six in the books man we did it we're almost double digits here we're getting our way to 10 it's getting easier every week folks alright guys we love you thank you so much Thank you.