Godzilla Pinball Machine Review (Stern, 2021) SDTM

Straight Down the Middle·video·58m 40s·analyzed·Dec 26, 2021

Analysis

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TL;DR

Godzilla review: A-plus shots/art, A-minus code; exceptional design but theme execution concerns.

Summary

Greg Bone and Zach Sharp review Stern Pinball's Godzilla (2021), designed by Keith Elwin. They praise the artwork by Jeremy Packer, shot design, and mechanical layout as exceptional, giving both A-plus scores for those categories. They rate rules/code as A-minus to A-plus despite it being unfinished (v0.8), though Greg notes thematic disconnection issues that prevent full engagement.

Key Claims

Godzilla released in summer 2021, designed by Keith Elwin
high confidence · Hosts explicitly state release date and designer at video start
Jeremy Packer's artwork on Godzilla is among the best in pinball industry history
medium confidence · Greg states 'it's jeremy Packer artwork you're not going to find better artwork in the entire industry now or in the past'
Keith Elwin's ramp design and shot flow are superior to most contemporary designers
medium confidence · Both hosts extensively praise Elwin's path design, smooth loops, and repeatable shots compared to other designers
Game code version is 0.8/1.0/1.8/2.0 (incomplete) at time of review
high confidence · Hosts explicitly discuss code version: 'we're at point 0.8, 1.0, 1.8, 2.0?' and 'code's not even done yet'
Godzilla's scoop is positioned more difficult than Metallica and Guardians of the Galaxy scoops
medium confidence · Zach Sharp states: 'it's tougher than Guardians no yes it is no it's right there no it's tougher than Metallica's scoop'
Greg is an authorized pinball distributor selling Godzilla and other games
high confidence · Greg explicitly states: 'i am an authorized pinball distributor yeah so i sell i sell godzilla i sell a lot of these games'
Elwin's games feature three-flipper layouts consistently and smooth repeatable shots
high confidence · Hosts discuss his standard three-flipper configuration and smooth loop mechanics across multiple games
Jeremy Packer's Pro translites are exceptionally well-executed
medium confidence · Greg states: 'he nails Stern Pro translites like the Pro art of absolutely just just phenomenal'

Notable Quotes

“keith brings so much originality to pinball something that we've all bitched about complaining about that we need it we need we need fresh we need fresh ideas we need fresh shots”
Greg Bone@ 5:21 — Establishes Elwin's reputation for innovation in the pinball community
“keith elwin is bringing new ideas and and layouts and shots similar to a john Popaduik”
Zach Sharp@ 8:50 — Zach compares Elwin to legendary designer Papa Duke; later walks back the comparison
“it's jeremy Packer artwork you're not going to find better artwork in the entire industry now or in the past”
Greg Bone@ 24:07 — Extreme praise for Jeremy Packer's Godzilla art package quality
“this game at this code is better than most games finished”
Greg Bone@ 31:57 — Indicates Godzilla's unfinished code (v0.8) already exceeds finished competing titles
“He's perfected the 180 ramp well in that ramp that left orbit ramp far it is far away it is still not the clunk”
Zach Sharp@ 26:37 — Praises smooth execution of Elwin's signature ramp design
“Something just doesn't pull me into the game. It doesn't make me feel like a part of the game.”
Greg Bone@ 33:02 — Identifies thematic disconnect issue with Godzilla code despite technical quality
“you do not miss his games like it truly it's just like why do you have a track mode why do you have topper like why do you do this stuff on location and you have these games because it stands out”

Entities

Greg BonepersonZach SharppersonKeith Elwinperson Jeremy PackerpersonRick NagelpersonHarrison Drakeperson Jerry Thompsonperson Chuck Ernstperson

Signals

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community_signal: Hosts discuss Godzilla already being 'heralded as the greatest pinball machine of all time' despite unfinished code, indicating strong early community reception
medium · Greg: 'already being heralded as the greatest pinball machine of all time we'll see about that here in a second'
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competitive_signal: Hosts discuss shot repeatability and consistency as key competitive advantage; Godzilla's loop is more repeatable than Jurassic Park
medium · Zach Sharp: 'It's more repeatable than Jurassic Park. You can't repeat now the Jurassic Park one unless you're just terrible'
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design_philosophy: Greg expresses concern that Jeremy Packer's color palette is becoming repetitive and wants him to push artistic boundaries beyond current style
medium · Greg states: 'his colors are starting to all be very the same like i want i actually kind of want to see jeremy push himself outside the box'
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design_philosophy: Keith Elwin demonstrates consistent design philosophy: complex path routing, repeatable loops, three-flipper layouts, and magnetic ball mechanics across multiple games
high · Extended discussion of Elwin's signature design elements appearing across Iron Maiden, Jurassic Park, Avengers, and Godzilla
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licensing_signal: Godzilla uses public domain 1933 King Kong character (not referenced in this content but Godzilla is Toho IP); no licensing constraints mentioned
low · No explicit licensing discussion in content

Topics

Keith Elwin's design innovation and originalityprimaryJeremy Packer artwork quality and artistic styleprimaryGodzilla shot layout and mechanical designprimaryPinball code/rules design and game depthprimaryReviewer transparency and conflict of interest (distributor status)secondaryComparison of designers and their signature stylessecondaryThematic integration and player engagementsecondaryRamp design and ball routing mechanicssecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.82)— Hosts are overwhelmingly enthusiastic about Godzilla's design, artwork, and mechanics. Both give A-plus/A-minus ratings for major categories. Greg expresses minor criticism about Jeremy Packer's color consistency and thematic connection, but these are constructive rather than negative. No significant complaints about manufacturing quality or mechanical reliability.

Transcript

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[Applause] [Music] we're the purpose [Music] hey everybody it's good to see you again this is greg and zach with straight down the middle where you been huh where you been oh i forgot what we're doing i've been around do you still play pinball i do play football do you really yeah nice actually i still play i play pinball at least once every other day not getting a lie i can't say like every day yeah at least once every other day not giving up on these people yeah no no no they're tired of hearing and seeing me greg i know [Laughter] that's so good to be back i i love these people i figured it would be a shield for a shill now yeah what do you got on today what are you supporting oh yeah peace mother yeah very nice very nice um mine's uh mine's appropriate because we are reviewing a game today yes and of that game that we are reviewing i'm gonna be accused very much so of being a pinball shill and i'll be accused of probably giving it a b plus oh maybe we'll see but first i wanted to say thank you to all of our sponsors of straight down the middle thank you guys hopefully uh in 2022 we'll have some some more fun stuff from the sponsors um and maybe some giveaways we got some giveaways coming of course my phone [Music] we got some giveaways uh coming away christmas song starts with a nice spell like that i'm sure there what is that song there's a song that's very pronounced i mean i know it's christmas you know it's christmas yeah dumbass there's going to be a belt when you start the song or something it's like [Music] we're going to be reviewing a game today that uh i've got quite a bit of time on i've got a little bit of time stern's newest game yeah right now yeah depending on when they're launching it it's hard to get your hands on new games i don't know where you're going with that all right yeah hard to get your hands on it i am married all right it is hard to get your hands on it isn't it yeah hold on i mean you know i've been told no uh yes that's kind of got to leave at this point [ __ ] but i've gone down to uh direct bar rick barr's got one so i've been down there a few times play yet what is it that we're reviewing godzilla oh godzilla yes don't know what i mm-hmm about it as you'll see really no blue oyster cult for you oh i love blue oyster gold we're going to go into the game but first i want to let you guys know that this was released in 2021 yes summertime 2021 designed by let's test your knowledge here mr keith mr keith elwen the king vicking is he the greatest designer currently designing games oh currently designing games with his designs i don't know because i'm always like you know you're going there i still think he's super i won't say super fresh that that's a stupid comment and it's super fresh but he i think he's still fresh enough that oxymoron what is that super jumbo shrimp super fresh not super fresh because you're fresher than all the freshest but then fresh always fresh yeah you'll be super awesome yeah there's different levels of freshness really yeah easily different levels of everything like yeah but yeah like i like what what's great about these people is that keith like keith brings so much originality to pinball something that we've all bitched about complaining about that we need it we need we need fresh we need fresh ideas we need fresh shots we need all this stuff so in that aspect a hundred percent and then i try to think back and i try to go what games beat keith's oh but you go to something like demo man now i'm not gonna lie demoman no i'm just saying shot wise demoman's got great shots it's got a lot of flow it's got unique shots it's got a lot going on so i don't know if i can say all time yet and i'm still waiting for him to run out ideas i know that that's a very pessimistic [ __ ] thing to do and i'm saying this in a way that i i don't want him to but it's just like is he not gonna do something new i think is he gonna fail but i'm always looking for tom brady to throw an interception here no exactly sacked yeah [Music] i want somebody to break his collarbone [Laughter] so i can see why i can see why you say that because then i'm just curious because then that that's where the time will tell because honestly it was kind of like you know after he did maiden's good but then he does jurassic park it's like okay man jurassic park he's got some cool shots and events yeah dude did some cool [ __ ] avengers pretty cool still not the top of my list but then you get this game and there's more unique cool [ __ ] in it that you didn't really get or he changed it up a bit to your point and so he he's almost like um i'm not even gonna say cause i'll get ridiculed because it's not the same but it is the same it's not the same no go ahead and say it because i uh i've had a thought in my mind as well no my thoughts not gonna resonate with yours at all let's see this is just such a i don't prepare yourself for this like like i don't know i don't know how it comes like what's coming out i kind of think i just don't want to see it oh man oh like it's not mean but it sounds mean so safe for greg yeah and i don't want to be like i'm sorry you know the person's name is that where you're still no i know i don't i don't hear people i think i think elwyn he has something going on like Joe Balcer does like i don't know i don't think that you look at a boss or game and you never say that's a joe boss or game like i think it's sometimes hard to really look at an l1 game because he does change stuff up and he's actually why does his code taste like [ __ ] because it's coke it's not pepsi oh no because it's in a bear's cup i i [ __ ] fell for it nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips just a bunch of gibberish and [ __ ] act like they forgot about trades [Music] so uh okay Joe Balcer i see none of that but okay who else you've got no i'm i'm just saying in the sense that like you look at an l when game yeah like i think he changes it up enough now he's got the the 90 degree loop piece yeah the one eight whatever 180 instead of yeah i got you but i i just think that that he's very good about changing stuff up whereas a lot of richie games a lot of you know people like that you're like okay this feels i know this i feel this this this feels like that designer i don't think keith's really come across like that to me too much anybody else said to you you said two people bolster no no no just l when i was talking about ellen you know what i these people aren't gonna probably want to hear neither is keith but i don't know if i've ever publicly said this but and bear with me to me uh Keith Elwin is bringing new ideas and and layouts and shots similar to a john trudeau oh now that those we don't speak of that might be a better comparison because that's a heinous horrible piece of [ __ ] person but history is history and john trudeau brought a lot of those different types of shots well the acceptor and just some uh creature from and that's where i was at with with with balser bosser still bosser is almost like an elwynn uh gomez combination i feel because it's it's a no listen here's why here's why nobody nobody taking the cleaners sir i do love joe a lot i do too and but but bolster stuff is kind of clunky it's not always the smoothest on everything it's not like the best geometry per se um and sometimes i feel that that you get a little bit with gomez a lot of you know gomez is clunky some of this stuff's a little clunky it's not the smoothest on his ramp yeah but in the in in an l1 aspect like it's just so different it's different shots because because balsa stuff is it's a lot of it's so different it's just kind of weird whether it works or it doesn't work it's just a lot of his games are unique different yeah but trudeau kind of encompasses the element thing because it is that smoothness it is that unique shots that really work probably true to make a fantastic he always had some unique stuff but half of it was pretty unique and awesome the other half was just complete garbage ideas no that's very true wwe ring you got like some of the shit's good attempts what are you thinking but and some of the stuff i knew about not gonna excuse what deadpool was gonna look like no gomez was a genius on mechanics in this game were done by harrison drake we know that harrison drake often uh he's a whiz he's a genius and not enough attention goes to the engineers here in the pinball industry right now when we get in the shots that harrison i don't know if it was you keith i'm sure you executed it that magnet oh the little horseshoe guarantee harrison made it work ah made it work uh and then we have rick nagle who's always teamed up with Keith Elwin on the elwynn design team he does a lot of the coding yes so keith comes up with and and uh nagel coming up with the rules and how the game's going to play but key thing you know c plus plus and that [ __ ] so i don't think it's c plus plus but uh yeah so nagel's got to do that artwork by your favorite artist Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) aka it's way too red zombie yeti hello a little too red hello sir a little too red well we'll see what greg thinks about the newest zombie yeti package oh it's too green is the season uh who else we got oh oh animation by chuck ernst yeah and the team there uh deny yeah uh i can't say deny i can't say your last name and uh oh we got we could have on donna whoa i don't know um sound who did it who did it jerry thompson oh sweet and succulent northwest jerry i'm so obsessed with jerry thompson that every time any game comes out and you're like who did the sound i'm like jerry thompson terry thompson if it's good it's jerry jerry thompson i don't give anybody's credit i just tell everybody that jerry thompson does it poor ken hill yeah jerry thompson no ken no jerry jerry jerry did the sound you understand i wonder if he has a do you have a jerry thompson t-shirt we need to get something made yeah for the love of jerry i love it jerry we love you jerk okay so that's the team there and probably a whole slew of 50 people making this game but those are your main main parts now let's why don't we jump to showing these people the overview of this game layout and maybe some rules and such get a feel for it and then you and i will come back and we'll tell these people what grades we're going to place in each of these categories and at the end of the day is this an a game a b game c d have you failed miserably we'll see already being heralded as the greatest pinball machine of all time we'll see about that here in a second but first i want to take you guys through the shots and the very unique layout here on stern pinball's godzilla this particular model is an le you can check out other videos that we've done on the pro but today for reviewing purposes i'm going to show you the mechanisms and some of the differences with the premium le model pretty typical lower third on this particular pinball machine inlanes outlanes normal italian bottom here okay as we're going left to right you're going to see a stand up target here that says Paul Mazur cannon this is responsible for your mystery awards everybody loves a good spinner this one is placed in a particularly interesting position here it's like a left orbit very left wide orbit you're going to fly up a lot of times it's going to hit around the stand up targets there but mostly it's going to hit that that magnetic captive ball now for the meat and potatoes of the machine we have the back third of godzilla jam-packed you see the twirly wire form ramp here and the biggest toy in the game in in many games the collapsible building with multiple levels collapsing bridge here breakaway bridge you've got your figure here for this particular game the premium le has a figurine i changed it out this is an aftermarket one the pearl model features just a stand-up plastic once you hit this left orbit i say left orbit it's almost a 180 ramp but it's in the left orbit position so there's your ramp one it twirls around like so very satisfying clean shot they're not the easiest to hit but clean nonetheless one of the coolest toys in pinball as of late is this one of a kind captive ball that is also magnetic it can fling the ball many positions you can also hold the ball and drop it to that third flipper for either a tail whip shot or a repeating loop shot stand up targets here responsible for your power lines and getting that tesla coil going once you light the lock you will shoot it under the building there there's a buck in the in the back that it's hard to see but a buck in the back that'll shoot it up and it will store the balls right on top of this skyscraper right now as you see it's just diverted and it's going to go to the wire form but it'll load it up top ball 2 then can be locked right up top there once you qualify the locks you'll see the the whole building start to shake shake shake boom boom here's your blue oyster cult song it collapses and at the very end disposes all three balls for a multiball continuing on from left to right we have another spinner here um juicy it's a fat spinner you'll see them use that but it's even more satisfying than the standard size spinners it's going to feed your upper left flipper right ramp is in a great position probably the easiest shot in the game feels good you're going to go through the buildings what i love about this main toy though this building toy is as you lock balls and it lowers down one level it will divert the balls into different directions so the right ramp to left flipper will then be the right ramp to right flipper and so on so forth left ramp to left flipper collapsing the bridge you can also fall fold down there as well and get tagged by that magnet who doesn't love a good loop shot you've got a repeatable loop shot as well as the tail whip shot so plenty of things to shoot at from this upper flipper including the stand up targets that are kind of the defense barrier to mechagodzilla utilized in a lot of modes as if two spinners wasn't enough here is another spinner this is like a turntable that will turn to show you the stand-up targets and they are brutal when they are facing forward uh but you also have a ramp spinner that will fly up attach to the magnet on mechagodzilla for an additional effect you'll see all the main objectives right in the middle of the game there by the zinnians or xenon i don't know what they're called but you'll try to get the tanks the raids the cities the power and then you'll shoot the scoop to start a lot of these modes a really tough spot for a scoop because there's a pop bumper as you see right here that uh that creates a lot of chaos when you're playing the game but the scoop is very important in this game to select cities to select modes to start tank stuff kaiju battles or your modes and then you can even uh you can even get an ally there as well whether you can have an ally another monster to help save balls or increase scoring et and that is just a very very crash course into stern pinball's godzilla greg it's felt like it's been so long since we've actually reviewed a pinball machine because it is right it has been a while what was our last one avengers i think that might have been for the chief game it was a keith game last one was a keith game we're just basically gonna do element games from now on well they're the only worthy pins oh poor Brian Eddy and dwight sullivan right now are like screw you it's okay guys screw you a lot of people don't think i should even review games as a as a reminder to some of you new viewers i will be very transparent with this i am an authorized pinball distributor yeah so i sell i sell godzilla i sell a lot of these games so to that should i just not i'll i'll leave we tried that it was horrible we tried it remember we brought in wasn't that bad what'd we get in trouble for these people didn't know like we we had people that were experts oh yeah certified certified reviewers how do you become certified who the health certified these guys who remember all the claim where's your certificate that's the world we live in to where we just literally called reviewers from certified certified cultures uh okay so you're okay with me reviewing always i keep it real right on off camera same thing whatever you tell me behind closed doors you say it on camera maybe not everything well there's there's some things let's start with art let's start with art we typically uh we discuss art first Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) he's my favorite pinball artist i believe i don't know if there's a close second for me right now francie's really good we haven't seen his stuff in two years yeah um francie's really good i've got a top three but i need to see my third person i need to see more out of them i think these people are seeing right now it's really special greg i think we are seeing maybe the pinnacle of what we get in pinball regarding artwork regarding design yeah everybody's like oh no it's a recency effect no guys i don't think so i really don't know not with something like this it's not that still like i think we went through a little bit of a lull period where some things felt empty but they were still good games i'm never going to climb 2000s yeah oh yeah well then we got 24 csi and wheel of fortune come on come on oh yeah monopoly monopoly is still kind of cool i don't like it but it's still cool there's some aspects to it that are neat what do you think about this art package uh i think that it's uh hey whoa you did it jeremy good job sir nicely done there's still some things that i don't like oh boy let's kind of throw it out there what do you love about the art package is it uh think about the pro think about the premium think about the le as a reminder here thank you a reminder we are reviewing the premium le version of this game but we'll still talk about the pro features i just want to see the play field i like the play field like it's the composition as a whole like jeremy is very good at that but also consistent it's very consistent but that's my only problem and that's why i want to be negative i always got to be negative toward jeremy because why no i just i feel like it brought him up you want tom brady to get sacked again no it keeps him on his toes like i feel like i feel like i'm just going to make you a better artist yeah you know when people say that like you say somebody says negative [ __ ] to you they're like i'm just trying to make you a better person right now always comes from people who are not qualified enough to tell me that but okay but no like i just don't want to see him i want to see something his colors are starting to all be very the same like i want i actually kind of want to see jeremy push himself outside the box i want to see him do something a little different color composition wise and all that like i want to see him get i want to see him do a different style a different style and i know an artist an artist has a stop so it's a very hard thing to ask a person you did that with turtles personally but i think you did yeah your nate you like it turtles was a believer as well turtles was great turtles was a bit different i think for me what stands out more so you're on the play field i like the uh the side cabinets and the back glass work more than i do the playfield work yeah playfield workers i like the back glass really nice yeah creamy especially with that lizard yeah it's pretty sick three-headed lizard what is that gamora i don't know what that is i don't know gamora this good morning and the bible thing the one thing that i will say about jerome's games though like and maybe this is maybe this is his his thought and maybe the stern's thought process but you do not miss his games like it truly it's just like why do you have a track mode why do you have topper like why do you do this stuff on location and you have these games because it stands out and that's one thing that his games do is you do not overlook a Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) game in any lineup you have to be on and still on yeah it stands out like no other and not in a bad way it literally still looks great and it just it it's there it grabs your eye it is the focal point of any lineup i know what it is about jeremy but he nails pro translights like the pro art of absolutely just just phenomenal yeah on this game uh play field wise love always love the lower third he always puts the composition of where your eyes are he always knows now he's he's an expert in pinball he knows how to create paths and information for the player but still making artistic um mid-play field with the zillions uh you know take it or leave it but um it's an a it's Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) artwork you're not going to find better artwork in the entire industry now or in the past i'm just look i'm just saying just saying that's true there's truth yeah my words don't lie i still think ghostbusters is probably his best work it's tough i really do that's tough this is better than avengers oh a lot yeah the avengers was avengers is probably his worst game today i think i like this better than turtles too and the godzilla theme does nothing i don't know if i like it better than turtles that is tough i like turtles it's close the wait is over a revolution in led lighting for your pinball is finally here fully customizable full spectrum lighting from PinStadium Lights order yours now at kingstadium.com chrome it brass it black nicolette candy chrome it powder coat it the possibilities are endless at pinballplating.com [Music] your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of led products with the best quality leds and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at cometpinball.com check out pin graphics for the latest and greatest in pinball enhancements powerblades blade skins pin blades and even more visit pin graphics.com now to see what's available for your pinball machine [Music] what about shots and layout let's really talk about keith that one now some call him the goat the greatest of all time we know he's the greatest he is the michael jordan of pinball playing yes but we've discussed to see the michael jordan of pinball design i think with two a pluses i i think we're uh yeah actually i'm at a plus plus i don't know so you can do that i don't either but if there was a way to put a plus we made certified reviewers we can add a plus absolutely that's a 4.0 still a plus plus for me a plus for mu yeah this is this is so much fun to shoot name a more fun shooting game out there everything's smooth that is really smart he's perfected the 180 ramp well in that ramp that left orbit ramp far it is far away it is still not the clunk of the tower right now either on drones oh it's super smooth and it's one of those things because of playing his old games when i first started playing this i thought oh my god dude my ball just doesn't have enough steam i didn't do that and all of a sudden oh it's just a nice little oh and then it's there and i'm saying oh [ __ ] it made it okay fine you know because even sometimes getting you know even the shot uh the helicopter pad on jurassic park yeah it really does he likes to utilize that space he's not putting stand-up targets there like you see other designs you got a pop bumper down there that pop-up is fun like that pop-up it's good patient it is and i like the spinner with the little the tail sweep yeah because you can backhand that dude a little tough gosh even like the tails tail slide where it like it feeds to that flipper yes consistently every time scoop stuck in between all of that all of that is just in like one eighth of the corner [ __ ] why do you think it's that bad oh my god people tell me that i'm telling oh it's kind of this group is tougher than guardians no yes it is no it's right there no it's tougher than metallica's scoop it is that's a tough yeah it's separated metallica but it's not tougher than me because sometimes i will graze the pop bumper to hit it in the scoop i don't think it's hard and then the left the there's three spinners was it yeah there's three spinners on this game that left spinner that just like that orbit thing yeah this is phenomenal a main toy that has different paths we have the up the gut spinner yeah just like we've seen on jurassic park right a little different feel to it yeah we got inner orbit that's traditional keith yes the only time the only thing he didn't do that was becoming more iconic was shots through the pops we had that on the first three games of his fourth we did not have that one we still have three flippers as he has been uh accustomed to doing it again it's it's sort of he's starting because we talked about you know with uh with guardians like this this third flipper is feeling [Music] feels good a little better it feels smoother that orbit's smooth and it's repeatable it's more repeatable in jurassic park you can't repeat now the jurassic park one unless you're just terrible you're just it's like accident dumb luck dumb luck on it yep we're getting closer to that iron maiden uh loop again and i never thought that was that smooth iron maiden yes that's a smooth look you're crazy it's a smooth loop uh what what else i really appreciate about Keith Elwin games is he doesn't do and i'm not gonna name designers but designers when you hit a ramp boom boom comes right yeah his he's he's he's going through a path a little little twirling gig so like like when you hit that ramp you don't is it the right ramp that it's a crossover the right ramp goes back through the building it goes back board through the china shop or the noodle shop through the building and comes back the left ramp goes up through the building around the curlicue then back around yes geez so so that is the ramp that gets me because look what he owns the original swirly swoop that's right no that's not what gets me it's the crossover because when you hit that crossover it feels like it's just going to come back to your left flipper yeah you because it's on this side no it feels like it's going to come to your right flipper and then you're just going to be repeating that on this machine then this one and then it comes back over to this and you're like okay and i can ramp ramp ramp ramp because it doesn't feel like you're going to be able to do that but you can't a lot of designers don't like them crossing oh he thought twice i don't care it felt so good because it just it takes you by surprise and and i haven't played a [ __ ] ton like i have most games but i've played it enough and it still just doesn't get old well i love it when we were playing my le we talked about it when that whenever you lock a ball in that that counts down one yes then your ramps switch again yes like the paths switch on the same side so you get two different trajectories yet again well that's what i loved when that when they were streaming that and they pulled that tower apart and showed all the diverters and the different paths and how that works and it's an ever-changing game really as that tower moves like i was just like oh my goodness see but this is what we're talking about in like pinball it's just like it's something so crazy insanely unique that changes the game up it's just it's so freaking inspiring changes the ball pack yes and then you've got uh he likes captain paul keith ellen likes captain balls we'll talk about that now as we transition uh into rules and code so we're both a pluses on that yes rules and code a little bit different here we're still we're so close rules and code but how they're done we know that at the at the reviewing of this i think we're at point eight one point eight two greg so not feels like it's far off it does but but anymore it doesn't feel like it's far off um i kind of do you're to be plus i'm gonna be plus not super wild about it okay but i will say i'm in an a minus why and some people are like wait a minute this code's not even done yet number one i can see what he's doing because he's laid out the foundation and number two this game at this code is better than most games finished oh no i mean that that's that but man it's that good greg now the the code before i got to a dead end i would have been a bit harsher but now i haven't got to that dead end yet i like that you have battles i like that after you complete some battles you progress to a second tier battle where you're tag teaming up i like that uh i like that you have cities now that you can go into defeat monsters and have that monster destroy that specific city yeah and you see the the power-ups and stuff that you get throughout i like that they've stacked multi-balls i like that there's multiple wizard modes and it's it doesn't seem crazy unbalanced and it's only a 0.8 whatever i'll agree with them like that it doesn't fill them no i guess that maybe part of it is theme for me that that's causing some of my my my code hindrance um because like you said like when i listen to you explain the code light shows are awesome you make it more exciting to me than when i play it something just doesn't um it's something just doesn't pull me into the game it doesn't make me feel like a part of the game and i don't know why because you like you said there's a good light show jerry did great with the sounds um what's that camera's name i apologize uh for call outs and stuff that did call outs like there was some good stuff some guy from jurassic park yeah but the halls but it wasn't bad like nothing is is bad at all it's actually really good but but for something just doesn't something just doesn't i think i know what you mean grab me about the pin well that's the difference but greg between my a or a plus to this a minus because i typically like mode based games give me a storyline if i am battling these different monsters and stuff evo like if i'm battling them tell me why i'm battling them yeah it's something that's just this from this to this what what stage am i progressing to but it's it's almost kind of like that deadpool thing where it's like playing whoever again juggernaut playing i know it's bad example for you but these battle pins sometimes the the and music pins do the same thing listen they feel like i'm not i'm not getting that story told i'm not taking that journey sometimes but do you know what i think something and i know that you already agreed that it was a bad example but i think something like deadpool those call out everything is so strong with deadpool his character the theme itself i think that that pulls you in because it's like come on kitty cat you know all the different [ __ ] that kind of grabs you in it's not really telling the story but you know that you just have to fight these people that you're fighting to get to miss you're basically bass boss battling and this same thing but again it's something the personality i think you're getting more of that the personalities you're gonna get more of that deadpool type depth and the rest of the point too i really think so i hope so because like if you remember we've kind of talked about this before that that's the one thing that elwyn penn seemed to lack and soul is soul and and for whatever reason and this is the worst one like avengers i i feel like you kind of like when i completely disagree with avengers no completely disagree you're saying this is the worst one for me no no no i'm not saying this is the worst one what i'm saying is that man came out on mouth i was in avengers was like the worst one this one to me i agree the reason that i can't get my mind around this one is because everything should work so it's a very weird phenomenon that i'm still feeling this this disconnect and this lack of soul with this pin when nothing really stands out like it did with avengers okay that that oh i see what you're saying that i should know you can pinpoint what it tells me yeah it's like a beautiful um it's like a beautiful a beautiful woman i wanted to but well i'll get in trouble for you i'm saying beautiful woman can't use those two words yeah a beautiful she's an ugly woman no no you can't say that either and if you know whatever she's a uh if you're attracted to a beautiful human being another perspective yes can you be emotionally attractive i guess so yeah oh yeah no i'm not saying cane you but people don't really genuinely oh i look at that i look at that traction's usually a visual kind of thing oh really oh i don't sometimes jeff go oh yeah maybe possibly not like like so like you know i mean a voicemail a voice gets me oh i love it maybe that's why i love jerry thompson with the sound sound is just something that like love because a woman's like like tickle on your body yeah a woman's like i love a voice there was like there was a guy that that was uh there was a guy that i want to know because you love this man so there was a guy that i acted with his name is webby that's his name he was an older gentleman um and everything i won't say his full name anything he was a preacher and uh i was never a really religious guy and this guy was amazing i did theater with him and stuff uh when i was first starting out and he was just a great guy but he had the absolute he was a good looking little guy like he wasn't a real big man real short gray hair very dapper but his [ __ ] voice he was from louisiana oh but he sounded like matthew mcconaughey he was like if you met matthew mcconaughey's father of what you would envision it it would have been webby and his voice was the most gorgeous like sexy soft voice that just made you anybody just melts like you're slathered with butter yeah oh it was oh his voice was still to this day like multiple people talk about it like sound like i'm rambling about what were we talking about rules and code why you don't feel pulled down Keith Elwin okay so did you sell your soul to be able to create these [ __ ] for me i feel like finally Keith Elwin game has soul are you serious you're me yeah why am i missing it because you get you get fun you get nostalgia you get them not taking themselves too seriously godzilla does nothing for me theme wise and we'll talk about that later it doesn't mean either but he was able to take this and make me care make me smile make me laugh the start of that multiball damn damn in there now the building's no no no that that is phenomenal that is one of the greatest moments oh the balls come out and go straight down the middle i mean come on no i agree with you that is amazing but i think some of the stuff is emotions i feel some of the stuff in between them i think avengers has the least soul at least by far i'm gonna tell you this actually maiden feels pretty good but it's a band appearance maiden has more soul than turtles it doesn't have more soul than turtle it does turtles is like but like i said though like like this has the most so they just got lucky i don't know who was in control like actually picking the like the maiden is just great but no turtles turtles is lacking this turtles lacks a little so i don't know why either yeah you're gonna email sgt and pinball gmail.com greg's definitely right this it finally this is a keith one game that has sold i thought it was going to take like a big license for me to get uh all the way in but i'm all the way in here you're you're a b plus yeah i'm going to a minus to get to that a plus yeah just we'll see where i think i think this could be an a plus uh code toy's an innovation i've probably [ __ ] up on this one no you're an a how can you mess up an a because it probably went eight plus it's the same considerable but it's but it's not i went it's not when you throw a plus on there feels good well i it's got one of the most substantial and cool toys and all the pinball history that's what i'm saying it's gonna fall that won't affect my overall no okay we'll look at this oh look how easy we can do this people get it we're gonna just throw plus yeah i'm gonna make it really big just to make everybody feel good you know what you just made ted lass so happy you believe i do you are the every man's ted laughs up oh we're both today pluses nicely done uh yeah it's got one of the coolest toy not just one of the coolest toys but your captive ball experience with that magnet just blows me away the crossing ramps i consider that sort of a toy in a sense because the way that it it's impactful the way it wow rotating ramp on the premium led how you hit it up to the magnet and make a godzilla stick to his chest come on he's got to stop with it all god and then the most subtle toy that nobody talks about and they should because stern took extra bill of materials and extra time to create it was the vacuum form back panel that has three-dimensional buildings look at all your other games oh it says that one flat plate why did i not why is that not because it's subtle you see this big building and it's within the city oh yeah it's really nice really nicely done such an opportunity back there yeah and they and they capitalize on that because it looks like it's going through the buildings and stuff and then you've got uh which some people are poopoon i don't get it with the the figure the figurine of godzilla static that's toy but it's there i i know i'm completely wrong but i still look at that that spinner and that pop bumper down there like a toy i know like a pop bumper being out of place like that i know it's technically shots it's still an innovation no it still feels like a toy and everything but you can relate it to but you can relate it to in a you know in an innovative area even there like honestly this whole freaking pin is innovative like what one thing can you really pick out other than saying a shot straight up the middle can you really say yeah wow like i've seen that a lot what are you doing you're kind of a ripple like we're solid i'm chill for this game i didn't think i heard godzilla and i was like i didn't want to hear it hey why is keith helen k keep getting these titles but then i'm still just not wild i'm still thinking about jeremy packers artwork why does why does he do this and then we'll go on why does he nail between the flippers so well think about that mothra right between the flippers oh my god so good like because it's so good it's an easy it's a very uh deadpool i think he takes his time there because visually that's where you're spending like so much of your time as a player like you need to spend more time on toys and innovation a plus let's talk about jerry thompson's music and call outs in general [Music] this building is on its last leg uh we're both at the same grade here a minus always great still greatness still greatness from jerry always he's got that it's a funny little guy and talks like this like this old reporter guy uh and he did yes does a really good job [Music] reports are coming in that godzilla may be making his way to another city and then i also like the innovation on on speech here where you can select the japanese yes yeah well you got to do it i mean i don't know japanese it's pretty good so the music is sensational it feels like it's godzilla but that's jerry yeah that's jerry creating something to this world and story unlike anything but do you know why but he still has that main thing that he tweaked out a little bit the i think it's i think it's like anybody i mean obviously keith is passionate obviously all these guys are passionate about what they do and maybe it's just because i know you can't buy that kind of jerry moore jerry jerry jerry is music jerry lives music jerry is passionate about pinball jerry's walking across abbey road baby yeah when you talk to jerry and you listen to his enthusiasm like he's one of honestly the most enthusiastic people that i know when it comes to talking about a webby voice to talking jerry's got a good voice jerry's got a great voice it is fantastic jerry you killed it you slayed it good job brother you did it so well that people may not even notice it that's when you know yes that's just really no you get a little foley in the background you get a little compositions love it displaying animation we're both at the same grade which also reflects music and call-outs a minus uh i think stern is really coming to their own here with displaying animals they've been learning a lot they know how to take the old footage and put it in there but to also overlay it uh with a really nice really nice what do they call that a ui dewey uh what do they call it interface yeah where it gives you the information i've always thought i thought monsters did a good job of that honestly no he didn't like that setup animation system could have been a little water around it but it was still nice like was even they're animating they're animating three dimensional i think they're using blender or something they're animating like jurassic park think about all the no think about the great animation in jurassic park those those uh t-rex sequences yeah the t-rex sequences are good they didn't pull that from the video those were there they created those yes the t-rex running there are there are some things that are they're really becoming good in the animation department certain pimples and they have to yeah they have to uh so a minus there's nothing that made an a a plus for me that's like but nothing destroyed it for me no hey jerry i don't know if it's your idea but when you have a ball saved via mothra and you hear me it's probably my favorite thing the whole game sound was i just love it so much it's enchanting i love mothra you've got some mothras back there in a cage you weirdo who has pet roaches greg bone the most ocd weird dude of course he has pet roaches but they're super clean they are ask joe in his apartment who's a hell of a deep cut jerry o'connell oh jerry let's talk about theme theme you're at a b yeah okay and i don't dislike godzilla but it's just like like i loved godzilla as a kid we talked about this one time as well i thought i just liked it to be plus it was my literally my very first vhs i watched a ton of godzilla because when you know vcrs came out and she had like a few cassettes you you wore those tapes out sure but i just as an adult there's just not something that stuck with me that i care so much for i actually love the new films i know that's probably blast with me but like i like the new films but it's just not i don't know just not for me just never did anything for me i'm more of a king kong kind of guy yeah i can get behind kingdom godzilla didn't do anything for me this actually helped me uh appreciate and like godzilla so just like metallica pin helped me appreciate that this is helping me appreciate the franchise and the hokiness of godzilla but man we've talked about this before with like iron maiden and everything else like that that's a great thing like that that's what i feel like that these people that are that are uh giving their license now they're making uh money on these licenses obviously and sometimes good money but i think that that they're getting their their they're getting their worth out of it by allowing pinball manufacturers to create these pins because it truly is convincing and it's great pr for them to do this because it is it is pulling a large portion of people into their fan base you know when you got something like look how many people probably bought iron maiden tickets uh you know going on tour now that would not have just for pimple now we're not a huge group of people we all know where we belong in the world like we're all very much smaller i haven't really thought about that that's a really good point it's like a an extension or a branch of their brand they're creating a new world for your brand it's almost like one of those things to me and they're paying you yeah that's the issue it's like i almost feel like that that they should just allow these manufacturers to because it's it's free publicity it's free pr like like allow them to just use your license because i mean but that's anything you sell a t-shirt that's free it's whatever but but it's still great great exposure great experience it's a really good point and i will say this so you guys heard me say theme this theme does nothing for me then why wouldn't you rate it to see zach well because the the the iconic nature of god it's still godzilla and go anywhere around the world and say godzilla and know what people are taught it's a big theme and it's like you said like you might not be a fan but it pulls you in and makes you like characters yeah disintegration is really hard so you can't go that low because it would have to it would have to be a shitty theme that you don't care about and it would have to just completely fail absolutely for you to be able to rate it really low for a theme so i think b b plus i think that's a really good great enjoyability do you enjoy playing this game you sure do your name minus yeah it's one of the most enjoyable games there is because it shoots fun it does regardless of whether slacking soul like to me you love the song it just shoots i like the shots are just that's kind of like avengers shots why i still own avengers i just and the modes are hard and i love that uh modes on here are hard too yeah [ __ ] they're hard i'm in an a plus this guy's rolling in a minus but he's close he's close this is one of the most enjoyable pins that i've played in a long long time yeah uh i just i'm like you i feel like i'm playing a sport with Keith Elwin games where i get the feel uh better than any other pinball machine there is yeah i feel every single shot and it feels good and it feels comboy it feels uh it feels good flowy nice i really like it i like i like it i agree i can enjoy this for a long long long time i don't think this is going anywhere for me oh people are gonna be like wait a minute you sold your l.a well look i mean the market right now people oh yeah you can't not that's just they really want to suspend yeah and then cumulatively speaking wow come of course you're the b plus how in the hell did yours come out to beat me it did well that b plus on rules and codes that can change we'll review this again in probably six months when the code is up to date you know what's so bad is like i i i fight on pins like i look at things and i'm like there's like there's no way it's going to be i swear to god i think that that there's some [ __ ] up in the world i could put all these on there somehow the [ __ ] b plus is going to pop up at the bottom to be fair you're .03 from an a minus ah 0.03 so that uh that theme going up to a b plus over a b probably would have done damn it uh cumulatively speaking i'm in an a minus a 3.84 which is a rather high a in our in our books it's one of my favorite reviewed pins thus far and it's only going to get better so much so let's talk about the sales of this game when this game came out yeah through the roof it was a force yeah it said hey avengers that was cute what you tried to do yeah yeah but we're gonna do this this is godzilla i think they could come out cardboard box full of dog [ __ ] and put Keith Elwin's name on there and it's gonna sell right now don't put it out with your man's tan i'm telling you my business devil woman i think it would sell i'd buy it by that especially if the poo was used as a crown by Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) it's going to be jeremy you got a brown on a brown box here [ __ ] can throw a little gi bleed in there or something i don't understand what your dog's doing man she's too brown but yeah no off the rails sales were a force uh so much so that right now this recording uh it's and and because of the times we got the pandemic we got uh low supply chamber shortage increased price we got all kinds of stuff going on the demand for pinball is is probably greater than it's ever been and the whole market feels like and the whole market i think it might be i'll tell you dennis crease will do some stats and data on that but if someone were to order one brand new a premium at least sold out immediately premium we're telling people end of 2022 into 2023 that's like a year away greg a pro you can still get and hey don't sleep on the pro no the building doesn't slow down it's still great for the price it is still a fantastic game we have not talked on here about that price increase from stern pinball no the pro went up substantially the premium even a little bit more substantially we're looking at 68.99 for a pro model of this game we're looking at 89.99 for a premium model that's the godzilla roar and then we're looking at like over 10 grand for a limited edition model they even upped the limited editions to a thousand units typically 500 600 maybe seven i feel like a jeremy pecker pen did you just see my soul leave my body not just playing cherry it does like so you talking about um now you're throwing poor jerk back he's like they're drawings how do they even they're drawing that guy just had the dog [ __ ] and the two brown and he's always mad at me it was just on my mind and i didn't that one even avoids that one but having said that if you are uh ready to buy a brand new because if i can ring the endorsement buy a godzilla pinball machine contact us now pinball uh you see it everywhere there to contact us what else do these people need to do i don't know what we're doing let's do some more reviews you want to review hot wheels that'd be fun i do how about uh what else do we want to review we got to review medieval madness at some point white water or something i'll say it in that review oh what are we doing well yeah yeah guns and roses that's been a long time people have had a lot of patience on that one good pun i'm good with that kind of stuff all right uh happy holidays to all of you watching more current if it is in march or april i don't know where in the [ __ ] you've been uh this video has been out for a little bit yeah and uh i don't go to our sponsors buy some [ __ ] oh buy some buy some birch yeah we've got new merch yeah it's not too late for christmas have you seen the kraken 2.0 t-shirt yes oh my gosh have you seen the art print yes have you seen the pillows yes have you seen the do you know what do you know you know what i love her this is a long winded video you know i'm glad that you brought the crack on that because i know you hated the kraken but we worked so hard on that and it it's always had a place in my heart and i love that [ __ ] so i was i was i loved it that that that was brought back we commissioned brad Brad Albright just amazing unbelievable artist and we paid it we paid 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coming home last night with chelsea in the car uh-huh i was i drove separate because i met her down there with the girl she met us after work sure so lily goes mom can i say the b word and chelsea goes yeah but just one time and in the car use it twice this is what happens the [ __ ] window down and screamed click [ __ ] she asked for permission to say that to the same [ __ ] yeah merry christmas and then rolled the window down and screamed it instead of just saying you know thinking like just like [ __ ] our lord and savior jesus would be very proud christmas [ __ ] he might actually be proud he's like she got to use that word once yeah and thought of me spreading the holidays son of a [ __ ] [Laughter] man strike me i kind of felt that it it's just bad that i like feel pride man i would too because the comedic timing was good oh yeah the the whole the whole delivery was yeah she could i'm trying to think of what else could have been said funnier and i can't think of anything no merry christmas [ __ ] i love that you gave her permission and i love so many things that she asked for permission to say it almost as if she hasn't said it before which is [ __ ] but she wanted to say in front of you and she presented you with how she was going to pair it up with merry christmas well it's just the fact that she's smart she takes it to a whole new level yeah i'm gonna make the most of it she's just gonna like [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] she's tarantino that thing at many people and there's no time merry christmas [ __ ] it's hard to keep under control we need to get t-shirts i want her face a screenshot of her face out the window i want i want my t-shirt to have jesus on it and just speech bubble says merry christmas [ __ ] [Laughter] you remember our last christmas video somebody asked me if i had aids it's a highly stressful year last year told me i looked sick you don't remember that i remember but i didn't know it was during christmas it was our christmas episode i think i mean i i we filmed something else that day too with our christmas episode i think but it was in that same it was at christmas time maybe the lights were a little blown out you look a little i mean i had longer my hair's a little long now so like and my hair was really long last time and so like very crisp complex i haven't got aids i've had a complex going into this that somebody doesn't think i'm like sick and dying again wow who was it i don't remember i'd have to look back in the comments do you have aids no for them to go there like i was just devastating our viewers man